Space

The Space Force Has a Horse. Of Course.

The horses used to belong to the Air Force, which makes only slightly more sense.

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In space, no one can hear you neigh.

It remains somewhat unclear exactly what purpose the newest branch of the American military, the U.S. Space Force, is supposed to serve, but you probably didn't expect this to be part of their duties:

That's right: The U.S. Space Force has horses. No, they're not going onto orbit—or attacking an enemy spaceship—but the actual explanation for why the Space Force has them is almost as absurd.

Are you ready? They used to be the Air Force's horses.

As the video posted to the Space Force's official Twitter account on Friday explains, the "military working horses" are part of the 30th Space Wing based at the Vandenberg Air Base in California. Prior to the creation of the Space Force, they were part of a conservation program run by the Air Force.

"We are able to go through creeks and water with the horses, high hills that we wouldn't be able to get through with off-road vehicles," U.S. Air Force Senior Airman Michael Terrazas explained in a 2019 profile of the program.

Yes, yes. If only the Air Force had the means of getting to places that are difficult for earthbound troops to access, right?

When the Space Force was created last year, the Air Force conservation program was spun off to the new branch. But the horses will continue to do the same work as before: helping enforce decidedly earthbound matters like fish and game laws.

Whether they're air horses or space horses, the real question is why any branch of the military is doing this. Would America's national security be weakened in any measurable way if the Space Force horses were put out to a privatized pasture?

The last successful cavalry charge in military history occurred more than a decade before the first man-made satellite went to space. The number of horses that have exited the atmosphere is exactly zero. And yet somehow, within the bizarre labyrinth of bloat and waste that is the Pentagon, it made perfect sense for the Air Force, and now the Space Force, to have horses.

Maybe the military doesn't really need $738 billion a year after all.

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  2. “We are able to go through creeks and water with the horses, high hills that we wouldn’t be able to get through with off-road vehicles,” U.S. Air Force Senior Airman Michael Terrazas explained in a 2019 profile of the program.

    Yes, yes. If only the Air Force had the means of getting to places that are difficult for earthbound troops to access, right?

    Something tells me that a horse is a fuck of a lot cheaper than running helicopters all day.

    1. Yup. And it may be good for the high-tech people of the Space Force to be reminded that sometimes, low-tech solutions (like horses) make the most sense. You use the best tool for the job, whether it is a fancy automated vehicle, or good old-fashioned horsepower.

      1. like the story of the NASA space pen, that cost ten million dollars to develop and could write smoothly in zero gravity. The Russians used pencils.

        1. The Russians didn’t mention the choking incident, the cosmonaut that went blind, that that the real reason for the Soyuz 11 deaths were an electrical short caused by graphite shavings making contact with the hatch control electronics.

          1. “Deaths in glorious service of Motherland not need to be acknowledged.”

        2. Although I agree that this never actually happened, I would argue that some amount of expense would have made sense. For more than the shortest trip a pencil will need sharpening, so you’ll have to bring some form of sharpener – which has weight, and every gram on a space launch matters. And sharpening will cause waste, and similarly, in space all waste matters.

          There is also probably some value in the permanent nature of pen and ink.

    2. Just looked it up.
      Feed, vet bills and stabling costs are $400/mo.
      A military helicopter costs $400/hr. to operate.

      It took me thirty seconds worth of googling to see that the Air Force horse program was a far better value than Binion’s solution.
      Binion could have done that too.

      1. Whoops, Boehm, not Binion.
        Oh well, same thing.

        1. If Trump proposed getting rid of the horse the Reason B Boys would be crying about that too.

      2. Boehm is only interested in trashing Trump.

      3. It’s California. Horse trails likely involve a lot less EIR tomfoolery than roads, on a coastal installation the size of Vandenberg.

        In other related news, anyone else catch the blurb from Tucker Carlson, citing the NYT, that the US has recovered evidence of “offworld vehicles not manufactured on this Earth?” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/pentagon-has-off-world-vehicles-not-made-on-this-earth/ar-BB178OAS

        1. Psyop. That’s what ufo’s have always been. Vallee almost figured it out, Emmanuel Dehlinger finished what he started by defining how the military did it.

          But actual pieces of evidence are not so common in this topic – but that doesn’t imply the military couldn’t have made it.

          When you factor in the sheer space between habitable planets and the time it takes to get to these places, and then the timing of doing it precisely in this tiny ass window of 100 years of the 5 billion earth has been around, and you quickly can conclude that it’s not just improbable that ufos are real, it’s impossible.

          Thus, it’s more propaganda for the believers.

          1. The Fermi Paradox does not bode well for those who get to the Great Filter in second place. Agreed, it’s bullshit, but why now? And what is this ‘evidence’?

          2. Sounds like someone’s never heard of hyperdrives.

      4. Not to mention that there might not be anywhere to actually land the helo.

      5. It’s not quite that simple. Blue Angels have to fly a certain number of hours every month to stay proficient, so their demonstrations are not a pure waste of advertising money. I bet Air Force helicopter pilots could easily work in those flights as part of their training and not cost a cent more.

        1. Not even the US military is going to waste all the time it takes to get a helicopter flight plan spun up just to fly out to the perimeter fence to confirm that a jackrabbit tripped the silent alarm.

      6. Well let’s be fair, it probably costs the federal government twice as much to take care of a horse.

      7. “Feed, vet bills and stabling costs are $400/mo.
        A military helicopter costs $400/hr. to operate.”

        How much does it cost to run a computer? $0 feed, $0 vets and stabling. This is the 21st century solution. Yes, computers. Your horse and buggy thinking wouldn’t get you far in the space force.

        1. Let’s see what the horse is actually used for:

          “While conservation is their main goal, the team is also crucial to the mission when the installations environmental footprint is a factor, such as during the Western Snowy Plover, a threatened species, nesting season. During plover season, specific portions of the beaches on Vandenberg AFB are closed off to allow a safe nesting environment for the threatened species. Violations during the season are tracked by the Military Working Horse law enforcement team, and when the beaches reach a certain number of violations, the remaining portions of the beaches are then closed.”

          More:

          “Along with fish and game laws, the patrolmen are tasked with enforcing California state and federal laws. Each conservation officer attends a four-month land management training program at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center and receive federal credentials upon graduation.”

          So basically, they’re used to reach remote areas within the base perimeter and enforce environmental regulations. Something that is totes possible with a computer.

          1. “Each conservation officer attends a four-month land management training program at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center”

            Sending a horse on such a program is just the kind of profligate government spending that we like to rant about.

            ” Something that is totes possible with a computer.”

            Only possible if the government is paying the bills.

            1. Sending a horse on such a program is just the kind of profligate government spending that we like to rant about.

              You really need to work on that reading comprehension.

              Only possible if the government is paying the bills.

              Okay, bugman.

        2. From the article: “We are able to go through creeks and water with the horses, high hills that we wouldn’t be able to get through with off-road vehicles,” U.S. Air Force Senior Airman Michael Terrazas explained in a 2019 profile of the program.”

          How the fuck is a computer going to do that, you gibbering retard. I’m starting to suspect your Ben Shapiro’s parody account.

          1. “How the fuck is a computer going to do that”

            Throw enough money at the problem and you’ll get your answer, one way or the other. After all, this is the space force we’re talking about.

            1. The whole point of Boehm’s column was the wrongheaded conceit that using horses to fulfill land use obligations were a waste of money.

              Somehow he imagined that using a common military transport helicopter like the $24 million CH-53E was a better investment. The CH-53 requires 44 maintenance hours per flight hour. A flight hour costs about $20,000.

              Now you want to invent a computer (robot?) that will trot through the wilderness doing ranger duties, because a $5000 trail horse at $400/mo is too expensive.

              1. “Now you want to invent a computer (robot?) that will trot through the wilderness doing ranger duties”

                I don’t care one way or the other. I assume that the folks responsible in the space force given a choice between a more technical solution and a lesser one, will choose technology, given that money is no object.

                1. They already chose a horse! What are you on about?

                  1. He’s one of our more special commentators.

                  2. I don’t care one way or the other. I thought though it was interested in how the Nazis used cattle in their most technically advanced military programs to save fuel while their empire was crumbling, and decades later, lo and behold, the US is resorting to farm animals to save money while the empire falls into a shambles. Doesn’t really inspire confidence, does it?

                    1. Hold on, in this very thread you were first saying “the space force given a choice between a more technical solution and a lesser one, will choose technology, given that money is no object”, and one shitpost later you’re saying “the US is resorting to farm animals to save money while the empire falls into a shambles”.

                      Are you wrestling Sqrlsy for the most erratic commentator title?

                    2. I admit those quotations are mine. One, technocrats prefer the technical solution over the non technical solution. Two, it’s a bad sign when an empire has to employ farm animals in its most advanced military extravaganzas.

          2. These are, technically, computers. So, yes, a computer can go off road, or even do parkour.

            1. Are they up for the task of rangering yet? Checking sensors, wildlife management, clearing deadfall and brush?
              Are they cheaper than a $5000 trail horse?

      8. Is there only 1 horse? If there are 10, so $4,000 per month, and they complete 1 task per month (or less because really, what are they actually doing that’s so important?), and it’s a task that can be done with and hour or so of helicopter time (which also results in training time for the pilot)…

    3. If the reason for the horses had to do with patrolling and maintaining the base, then it makes sense, but the description in the article sounds like it is some sort of good PR conservation program. The Space Force gets Vandenberg since that is where many spy satellites and other military satellites are launched from to be put into a polar orbit.

  3. The typical left winger goes on and on about military spending and while promoting more welfare income redistribution. Welfare spending including all forms of social security and medicare (for they are all income redistribution) impacts the poor and young who are just starting out but paying their grandparents to stay alive a few more years.

    But yeah military spending sheesh that’s the big part of the cheese wheel we need to eat first.

    If libertarians spent more time on things that mattered and less time on trivialities you might actually win an election one day.

    1. I remember when Reason used to run daily articles about entitlements vis-à-vis the debt. That seemed to end when Obama left office.

      1. Gillespie can’t go ten minutes without talking about national debt. It’s not a forgotten issue at Reason.

    2. Three quarters of a trillion dollars spent on the military every year is trivial?

    3. The right wing often spend luxuriously on welfare projects and military, simultaneously. Hitler was spending precious resources and manpower building the autobahn right into WWII, while military spending was going through the roof.

      1. The right wing often spend luxuriously on welfare projects

        Oh fuck, lol, you can’t even shill properly.

        1. We could all do with more shilling practice.

  4. Space Force also has a chimp and a dog. I saw it in the documentary on Netflix.

    1. Used to have a dog…

  5. First, the program name includes, indeed starts with, the word Conservation. This is to keep the horses around to remind people of “the good old days” when the environmentalists were projecting that New York would be three feet deep in horseshit if the population kept growing.
    It is also intended to provide at least some capability for the space force in case Biden gets elected, and after the amendment 25 takeover, the supposed vice president implements the green new deal and there is no other way to travel than horse back or the non-existent high speed trains.

  6. Hate the cops and snark seem to be having a good season at reason.

    Is it Siri’s’ money, or Bloomberg’s?

    1. Interesting that their autocorrect changes “Soros’” to “Siri’s”.

      1. There’s no autocarrot on the Reason site. I mean, for fuck’s sake, they don’t even have an edit button.

        1. “autocarrot”

          Good name for a 90s electronic band

          1. There’s this movie I saw years ago…no wait that was an auto-ear of corn.

  7. When asked in an interview in the late 1940s about the future of the use of horses in the US Army, General Jonathan Mayhew Wainwright IV replied simply, “We ate all the horses at Corregidor.”

  8. This might be the most retarded story I’ve ever read on Reason, and that’s even with Shikha here.

    1. My God! You actually READ her stories?

      1. Some of us are masochists, others have a bewilderment fetish.

    2. This is a standard striving DC libertarian story. I remember KMW doing one about how the military was a big dum dum for having a 100 page brownie recipe. Turned out it was triple spaced 20 font industry boilerplate.

  9. This is actually TO SAVE money, Einstein. Do you know how much per hour it costs to operate a military helicopter like the Blackhawk? Running one helicopter on one round trip to service a sensor more than covers the cost of a year using a horse. I swear to god if you actually did the job of a reporter instead of just writing snarky-ass columns the world would be a much better place.

    1. Boehm probably heard about this from one of his fellow Twitter-tards and decided to whip an extended shitpost instead of doing real, actual journalism.

    2. But they could save even more by not enforcing these environmental edicts.

  10. The horses go well with country music.

    Space Force, by Western Centuries.

  11. Yet another factually incorrect article.

    In fact the fall of Mazar-I-Sharif happened as the result of a massed cavalry charge in conjunction with aerial bombardment by B-52s in 2001.

    A former coworker was on the ground as Afghan Northern Alliance forces charged headlong into ZSU-23s being operated in direct fire mode. He described it as the most heroic thing he had ever seen.

    https://nypost.com/2001/11/08/rebel-cavalry-charge-routs-taliban/

    As usual with all things military, it is about the right tool for the right job. Not that the imbecilic writers at Slate, or Reason, seem to get this point.

    1. Don’t put too much stock in the NY Post story. Dateline Washington – the writer got no closer to the action than the Pentagon press room. And not a single casualty reported.

  12. “A former coworker was on the ground as Afghan Northern Alliance forces charged headlong into ZSU-23s being operated in direct fire mode. He described it as the most heroic thing he had ever seen.”

    That sounds profoundly stupid. Glad it worked out for the green beanies.

  13. Meh. Lot of hay about nothing.

    Why not a horse? Or a duck, dog, cat or rooster? Those have been around military bases forever. Pool tables, video games, foosball tables, rec rooms, beer, chaplains, whatever do not kill the enemy either. Or perhaps they do. A former Korean army captain veteran once told me “morale is the most important thing”.

    So let them have the horse just do not spend too much on it.

    1. > just do not spend too much on it

      My guess is that you’re not familiar with either the military or the Trump administration.

      1. I know enough about how budgets work. Same things happen in corporate as well. Let’s see…we got in under projected and have $15 million left. We need to spend that or the budget will be that much less next year. New laptops, fancy cool gamer type desk chairs, cappuccino machine for the break room, something.

        The horse idea is creative at least. Well, you see…we need them for patrols out here. OK Ringo, saddle up.

  14. Nobody has to explain to me why a Space Force would need horses, I saw Episode IX.

    1. It’s for storming the enemy spaceships!

  15. I mentioned the other day about how technology rich but resource poor Nazis introduced the Messerschmitt Me 262, the first jet fighter in the last days of WWII. They were so short of oil that the would tow the jets out to the runway by cattle. These conservation horses could do much the same thing, towing rockets out to the gantry conserving and replacing fossil fuels thanks to the blessings of solar powered horses, as god intended.
    I’m reminded of something from one of George Orwell’s books on coal mining and the surprising affection the miners had for the pack donkeys they were working with.
    And speaking of soldier animal relations, does anyone know about the progress of the remaking of “The Dam Busters?” Apparently the only thing people want to know about it is how the writers (Stephan Fry et al) dealt with the name of the dog who was kept at the aerodrome while the captain of the bomber busted fascist dams. The dog’s name was ‘Nigger’ in reality and the 50s era original flick. Now I think it’s Digger.
    .

    1. That does not begin to cover how non modern German logistics were during WWII, especially during Operation Barbarossa.

    2. No Dam Busters, Peter Jackson is far too busy producing crap “blockbusters” to have time for anything like that.

  16. Whether they’re air horses or space horses, the real question is why any branch of the military is doing this.

    For the same reason homeowners are forced to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on crap they don’t actually need: building codes, environmental regulations, etc. You can bet that California imposes massive conditions on the operations of Vandenberg.

    That’s right: The U.S. Space Force has horses. No, they’re not going onto orbit—or attacking an enemy spaceship

    Are you effing serious? Apple has gardeners, yet they don’t actually ship potted plants with your iPhone. Google has cooks, yet they don’t ship you meals.

    1. Does the space force have its own marching band yet? A fighting force isn’t worthy of the name if it doesn’t have its own marching band. Schools, hospitals, shopping malls and golf courses are sure to be on their way as well.

      1. They’re already on the bases where the Wings are assigned, stupid.

        1. It’s like he’s trying to be retarded on purpose.

        2. And I thought the WIngs broke up after Linda McCartney died. Never pictured them as a marching band, though.

          1. I guess it was inevitable that your musical taste has the same date of production as your academic knowledge.

      2. Does the space force have its own marching band yet? A fighting force isn’t worthy of the name if it doesn’t have its own marching band. Schools, hospitals, shopping malls and golf courses are sure to be on their way as well.

        In as far as other branches of the military have these facilities, I assume that the Space Force has them as well. Why wouldn’t it?

        1. “Why wouldn’t it?”

          Certainly not for a lack of funds.

          1. What’s your point? They would end up costing more if they replaced the horses with ATVs and mechanics.

    2. Google has cooks, yet they don’t ship you meals.

      Yet. 😉

  17. There’s a kind of mad genius to writing a wasteful spending story about a trivial amount of money that is not actually wasteful.

    1. I said this before on a different story, but I feel like there’s ongoing efforts to make such completely disingenuous arguments so loudly and consistently it puts me on the side of the state. Like, I still think it’s utter nonsense that we have a Space Force in the first place, and this article makes me defend them for recognize the cost-efficient, low-tech solutions.

      Just like all the shitty arguing against the Feds in Portland, who are fucking CBP state establishment thugs, is so bad that I’m defending them because they’re not “secret police.”

      1. Eric Boehm, secret crusader for statism.

  18. You didn’t really think Mr. Ed was from here, did you?

    Our Space Force Horses will lead us into the next frontier!

  19. Wisconsin’s Senator Bill Proxmire gave a Golden Fleece award away regularly to government agencies. The military was a favorite target for the award. It is nice to see that something never change and the military can waste money in ways never imageable.

    1. It’s rather hilarious that he gave out awards to the F-16 program, whose testing and production ended up being one of the cheapest in military history on a value-basis, other than maybe the A-10.

      1. And yet completed ignored ag subsidies, like the general fuckery with dairy products pricing since the beginning of time. Or FDR, whichever came first.

        In other news, Austin protesters v. armed motorist equals one dead protester: https://mobile.twitter.com/anthonyfartino/status/1287223265631576067

        Good. Get the fuck out of the roads.

        1. They set the courthouse on fire in Aurora, CO as well, and ended up hitting someone with friendly fire when a Jeep blasted through them on I-225.

          One of the live streams from there showed some white Antifa bitches blocking a black guy from driving home to his kids so they could lecture him about oppression.

          These people really need to be air-dropped into Yemen so they can get a taste of what real, actual oppression looks like.

      2. When did he give it out to F16 program? I did not see it. I remember his question of $500 hammer and study of military umbrellas.

        1. This document at the Wisconsin Historical Society claims to cover all of the awards he made under that name, from 1975-1987: http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/cdm/ref/collection/tp/id/70852

          The interface is clunky as hell, but I saw that the F-16 was only mentioned as having been part of a briefing to a Yugoslav general.

          Not surprising if he had mentioned it early in testing. Like many heavily software-dependent projects, it looked terrible early until the software was up to speed. I remember reading about a display at either Luke or Hill, showing different models of the aircraft that particular Wing had flown in its history, with the F-16 model being replaced by a lawn dart.

          Like the Bradley, sure turned out OK, didn’t it?

        2. Should have given Poxmire the $10 hammer and put him in a room full of powder and artillery fuzes to adjust. Then if he survived the sparking experience with the $10 hammer he could have been reminded why a $500 hammer that doesn’t is a lot cheaper than a room full of servicemen, powder and artillery pieces.

  20. Ok, it was probably a bad idea to allow Trump to watch The Rise of Skywalker

  21. Poor Eric Boehm.

    He knows nothing about economics yet unreason lets him mumble about the economy.

    Boehm knows nothing about any military in the World yet unreason lets him mumble about the US military.

    1st Air cavalry div.
    101st “screaming eagles” airborne div.
    All the naval divisions and squadrons named after animals.

    Boehm does not even realize that military veterans just laugh at his nonsensical gibberish on this topic.

    1. It saddens me at times coming here for thoughtful & lively, reasoned discussions, only to find military horse patrols being harangued. Does our intrepid reporter know military horses CONTINUE to pull the Caissons under the direction of the Old Guard? Should we Consider shooting the horses and have drones drop-off the caskets?

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    At least three people were wounded when a gun was ‘accidentally fired’ by black militia members in Louisville

    He called on members to return to Louisville in four weeks time and ‘burn this motherf****r down’ if the investigation was not complete and to demand ‘the truth’

    Brandenberg something something Ohio?

    1. A gun can’t be fired accidentally. It can only be fired deliberately or negligently.

  24. Okay, so.

    1) Vandenburg is a space launch site, which is, of course, an entirely logical thing for a Space Force to have.

    2) Accordingly it has a lot of open land for purposes of range safety, so people don’t get hurt or killed by bad launches.

    3) Accordingly, to be a responsible landowner, it needs to actually maintain that land.

    4) Accordingly, it needs a form of transport able to get people out on that land to do maintenance.

    Now, if you have an actual proposal for a way to do that cheaper than a horse, fine, make that argument. But until you do so, bitching about the Space Force having horses is simply a demonstration that you’re incapable of using reason.

    1. How about a mule with opposable hooves? Development shouldn’t cost more than a few billion.

  25. I really hope the next president scraps this ridiculous new military branch all together! Just another way to justify more excessive military spending.
    #Defundthemilitary

    1. No. We have a desperate need for a space force.
      We need to make the draft gender blind, draft all democrats, and send them to Mars. They should report back in 200 years to let us know how their policies actually work out.

      1. I think Jack Campbell explored that in the prequels to the Lost Fleet Series. In the Expanse series is was the Earthers who tried social welfare on steroids while Mars and the Belters were more libertarian. While Mars was more Republican (not as in the party but in the sense that the US was once a Republican Country, committed to the idea of a constitutional republic). Reading The Expanse series, I think I would prefer living on Mars or, even better, the Belt.

    2. The Space Force was already part of the USAF (the old Space Command). It was just spun off, much like how the USAF was once the Army Air Corp. It focuses on military satellites (both commanding and defending them) and cyber warfare. Maybe it doesn’t need to be its own branch (but then again, there were pros and cons of spinning the USAF off of the Army in 1947), but it is hardly a new mission or even an unimportant mission.

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  27. Think the main point was, “Maybe the military doesn’t really need $738 billion a year after all.”

    …and I agree with that conclusion. That’s a yearly bill of $6150 per working U.S. citizen. And so many wonder why they cannot hardly afford their rent payment – the military budget already took it.

    1. Of course. However, without the military they will not to pay rent. They will be assigned a hovel to sleep in 4 hours a night between work shifts at the labor camps.

      1. I’m pretty sure the federal government can maintain a competent self-defense for far less than $738-Billion. The $738B is our “work shifts” time spent at the “labor camps”.

        1. I support cutting the budget if done by eliminating waste. But whenever they do cut spending, the waste stays but troops, equipment and training is what gets cut instead (and rarely is it senior officers, who just get some bullshit makeshift job title, but the actual servicemembers who do most of the fucking work). We could start by eliminating at least half of all 0-6 and above. The ratio of senior officer to enlisted has never been smaller, meaning there are more senior flag officers as a percentage of the Armed forces than at any time in our history and most of them aren’t commanding actual forces but driving a desk. We could also eliminate stupid use it or lose it budgeting and stupid regulations that promote waste, i.e. small arms checkout policies. It is easier to turn in spent brass than to turn in live ammunition after a range day, so even if you didn’t fire all your ammunition, the current regulations encourages you to fire even what you don’t need to. Hell, I don’t know how many times after a day of rifle qualification we were handed loaded magazines and just told to keep firing down range, until it was all used up. We rarely even bothered to pop the targets up. I counted one time, and I put a 1000 rounds through my M-16 in two days on the range but only fired about 100 of those in actual weapons qualifications (base defense and night firing and automatic firing ranges). Congress was so afraid of civilians getting access to military grade ammunition that they made the regulations so strict that it is nearly impossible to turn in live rounds. This despite the fact that the ammunition the US Army uses is shit and dirty and I can buy better ammo, of the same caliber, at the local gun store. I don’t fire military surplus ammo through my AR-15 because military surplus is shitty and promotes jamming causing carbon buildup in the chamber.

          1. We could also eliminate stupid use it or lose it budgeting and stupid regulations that promote waste, i.e. small arms checkout policies.

            You’re looking at it from the user side. It’s worse on the acquisition side. Lets still have 10% of your allocated money left at the end of year X because you figured out how to save some money. Then in each successive year they figure you over-budgeted and cut it by 10% regardless of why you had money left over. The Contracts laws and the Comptroller are an issue. Without change there, the issues will continue.

            1. My mother worked for a middle man agency that procured cleaning supplies for the military, because heaven forbid that the military buy supplies directly from the manufacturer. I also remember living in the barracks and running out of cleaning supplies but being forbidden fruit from purchasing our own (not that that stopped us).

  28. The news coverage has been typically dishonest, labeling the black group as protesters, and the white group as ‘militia.’ Then using the same terms to claim the white group was the one that did the shooting.

    Pre-protest, one of the NFAC ND’d into three other people. Nevertheless, the march continued. I don’t even know if the ND’ing guy even got arrested. Despite getting warned about the possibility, AIUI, there was another ND during the protest. Still no arrests, last I’d read.

  29. I don’t have an issue with this program. Come on Eric.

  30. Naive Eric has never heard of the concept: There is a right way, a wrong way, and the military way.

  31. “Yes, yes. If only the Air Force had the means of getting to places that are difficult for earthbound troops to access, right?” Airplanes are crappy for short-range transit. When the Airforce was created they agreed to not have any helicopters in exchange for the Army giving up control of their planes. So the U.S. airforce has no airborne vehicles that are good for short-range transit because the Army wouldn’t let them have them. The actual explanation is still stupid. Just maybe not for the reason that you would think.

    1. The Army uses horses for similar missions. And the USAF does operate helos.

  32. “The U.S. Space Force has horses. No, they’re not going onto orbit—or attacking an enemy spaceship” — Which would, neverthless, be cool.

  33. Notice these horses are from the BLM. They are captured feral horse, which are overpopulated. But some knee jerk environmentalist campaigned back in the 1970s to forbid slaughtering of them. So they have to be given up for adoption. However, the BLM can’t find enough people to adopt these horses. They have whole ranches, that cost millions of dollars, caring for these horses. Most facilities are actually full or nearly full. So, it is either pay the BLM to house these horses indefinitely, or have the military and many other federal agencies actually utilize them. As for Boehm’s assertion about horses and modern combat,he obviously didn’t study Afghanistan, where horses have been used multiple times by US Special Operation units. Additionally, the Navy, Army and Air Force all maintain their own veterinary services, and therefore care can be provided by servicemen and women. The horses are used for patrolling, and yes to enforce environmental regulations, since military posts have to follow environmental and fish and game laws. In fact, you can hunt and fish on most military bases. When I was stationed at Ft. Eustis we used to fish a lot at Ft. Monroe and Langley AFB and the Yorktown Coast Guard station. Archery hunting for deer was also allowed on Ft. Eustis. This article was poorly researched, by someone who thinks military posts are closed environments, a law unto themselves and that everyone in the military is some high tech shooter.

    1. Horses also are used for ceremonial reasons, security, transportation etc. They also are pretty good at crowd control, one of the reasons we still have mounted police, a rider can see above a crowd and a 1500 pound horse that stands 14-16 hands at the shoulder is fairly intimidating when it needs to be. Additionally, when I was stationed at Ft. Sam Houston, the MWR maintained a stables, including horses you could rent for servicemembers and their families to use. A number of servicemembers come from areas where we still use horses for work and pleasure. They grew up with horses. Working horses and dogs do still have a place in the modern military, in fact our experience over the past two decades have reinvigorated the miliary’s interest in these animals. No, the 1st Cav won’t be trading in their APCs, Strykers, helicopters, modern transportz and tanks for horses (outside their ceremonial unit) but that doesn’t mean horses are completely useless, either.

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  37. Military forces around the world still use horses to access rugged terrain in emergencies and it makes sense for them to do so. Helicopters can’t fly in heavy weather, require fuel (horses can graze), are susceptible to anti-aircraft ordinance, show up on radar, make a ton of noise, stop working after an electromagnetic pulse, and are expensive to operate. Horses are simpler, cheaper, and more rugged that helicopters. Our special operators were riding horses in Afghanistan after 9/11 before the main force rolled in behind them. Horses have clear military utility even in our modern day. The real issue is that enforcing fish and game laws is not a military function, let alone a space military function. We have a Department of the Interior with a Bureau of Land Management and a Fish and Wildlife Service and… drum roll please… they have their own horses. Why are they calling the Air Force?

    1. We have a Department of the Interior with a Bureau of Land Management and a Fish and Wildlife Service and… drum roll please… they have their own horses. Why are they calling the Air Force?

      The land of a military base (like Vandenberg, the Space Force, formerly Air Force, base in question) is managed by the military, not the Department of the Interior.

      1. And Vendenberg has enough fishing and game enforcement issues to need to conduct regular enforcement? Really? I find that difficult to believe. Beyond that, would that not be the military police’s job as opposed to the space force’s job? But, what they didn’t say, and should have, is that if you have a downed satellite or other asset n on a rocky slope in bad weather your helicopters won’t be able to get there… and the horses will. The explanation proffered remains a bad one.

  38. They’d make a ton of money auctioning those mustangs. BLM can get as much as $2500 for an untrained mustang in their auctions…imagine what people would be willing to shell out for a horse that’s broke to ride and trail-safe.

    1. The BLM was paying people recently to adopt horses because they can’t get rid of them.

      1. How does that help fight racism?

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