Cancel Culture

Approximately Two People Want To #CancelHamilton

Cancel culture is real, but Hamilton is safe.

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"America, you great unfinished symphony, you sent for me," says the titular character in the Broadway musical Hamilton, as he stands seconds away from meeting his demise. The stage is dark and quiet, strewn with purple hews and barely any orchestration as the character delivers what will be his final reflection. "You let me make a difference, a place where even orphan immigrants can leave their fingerprints and rise up."

That show and its progressive ideas—centered around Alexander Hamilton and the Founding Fathers—have once again come to the forefront of the national discussion after its release last week on the streaming service Disney+. The musical's creators couldn't have picked a more inconvenient time. As conversations swirl around how to honor or not honor those flawed men, I regret to inform you that Hamilton has been canceled.

Or has it?

You might believe so after reading through yesterday's and today's news. "The popular Broadway musical 'Hamilton' is not receiving much love from some people who are calling on Disney's streaming service to 'cancel' the newly released movie version on social media," Newsmax writes. "'Hamilton' is under fire from left-leaning activists," The Daily Wire warns. "The hashtag #CancelHamilton started trending over the weekend, just after a film version of the show aired on Disney+," Inside Edition notes

That hashtag was essentially the sole piece of evidence offered up as proof that woke scolds are coming for Hamilton, pitchforks and torches blazing. But stans of the rap-infused musical can keep singing along with the production at home: A cursory look through Twitter shows that the hysteria is significantly overblown.

Let's start with its genesis. Rosa A. Clemente, a former vice presidential candidate for the Green Party, claims to have conjured the hashtag in a June 28 tweet. She later linked to a petition seeking to pull the movie and declared, "you cannot simultaneously yell or tweet that "#BlackLivesMatter while also singing, dancing and profiting from the celebration of Alexander Hamilton." Clemente's latter tweet received a grand total of 16 likes, and the petition has still not received the requisite 400 signatures. 

Parsing through Twitter will show you that the hashtag took off to a very modest degree. And the limited traction it did gain can be attributed almost entirely to users talking about how senseless #CancelHamilton is.

 

 

 

That's not to say that detractors don't exist. I'm sure a small number of people do agree with Clemente that Hamilton should be thrown in the dustbin of history. And some historians have accused the real Hamilton of being complicit in the slave system, even though he expressed opposition to slavery, never owned any slaves himself, and disputed the idea that blacks were genetically inferior to whites.

But such critics miss the poetic justice in how Lin-Manuel Miranda framed his musical, which revolves around one of the more obscure Founding Fathers. Indeed, who pictures Hamilton as the lead role in the American Revolution?

Miranda did, and it was no accident. The orphan immigrant from the West Indies, the antislavery advocate, is the founder we need for this moment, Miranda implies, a poignant reminder that such underdogs don't always get the bulkiest chapters in the history books. 

It's also notable that Miranda insisted on casting the show almost entirely with actors of color. Seeing a black man portray Thomas Jefferson—someone who owned members of his own family—forces viewers to approach the past in a new way, to see how far the country has come. That subverting of history has allowed a new audience, who may previously have felt alienated by America's birth story, to take part in it. (After opening in 2015, for example, Hamilton is already one of the highest-grossing musicals of all time.)

None of this is lost on Miranda. "If this moment is any indication, we're never done with the past," he told comedian Jimmy Fallon in June, prior to Hamilton's Disney+ release. "We're never done with the sins of the founders. We're never done with the flaws and contradictions of the founding, so it just hits differently depending on where we are."

Where we are right now is a murky place, as those sins and contradictions swell to the forefront of the national dialogue. But audiences can be comforted by the fact that Twitter is not real life. When it comes to Hamilton's immediate future, it appears it will live to see another day.

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  1. Actually, I am OK with cancelling Hamilton. And all other hysterical tripe.

    1. I’d be happy if people found enough good taste to not watch it. It would be even better if they weren’t patting themselves on the back for enjoying a show with an all-black cast. But if there’s a demand for it, let losers watch it and pretend it’s groundbreaking while intelligent people can mock them.

      1. most people went to see the show to prove to themselves they weren’t racist they didn’t give a shit about seeing good theater. I don’t know if the show is good or bad i have no interest either way, may watch it on free tv sometime if I’m bored

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    2. Of course you are. Conservatives are just as happy to engage in cancel culture as liberals, when it promotes their pet issues.

      1. Yeah, game theory is actually bad motives.

      2. That is right. Holding someone to the standards they seek to hold you to makes you the hypocrite not them.

        This is what you actually believe. Can’t you understand how stupid that is?

        1. An eye for an eye, and pretty soon we’re all blind. Can’t you understand how stupid that is?

          1. Well then let’s not do an eye for an eye. Let’s do “You take my eye, I feed you to the woodchipper.” Then we’re down a lot of violent instigators, and I still have one good eye left.

          2. Holding someone to their own standards is not an eye for an eye you half wit. By your logic every principled action ever taken is an eye for an eye.

            Do you just not know what words mean?

            1. Good grief you like to quibble poorly. Their standards are to do dirt and fuck the world. You are not holding them to their standards. You are naive if you think so.

              Do you not know human nature? Or perhaps you just think you are so wise and world weary that you can divine strangers’ nature.

            1. Guess he’ll just have to find some other way of going blind!

      3. If conservatives are against vapid nonsense, and liberals are for it, then count me as con.

        Otherwise fuck off with your simple-minded bi-polar thinking.

        1. Irony, what do it mean?

          1. Let us know if you ever figure it out. Along with the answer to the question of what number equals 2+2?

            1. Are you a fan of early Bob Seger too? 2 + 2 = ?

          2. It’s like rain on your wedding day.

            sorry.

            1. You’re a horrible person.

              (J/k, I larfed)

      4. How does canceling Hamilton promote a conservative issue? It is just holding them to standards they created. Cancel culture on theft actually is promoting an issue, one of message control.

        Oh wait, you said something stupid. So this must be your famous sarcasm.

    3. Hamilton should be canceled, just not because he was a slave owner.

      How Alexander Hamilton Screwed Up America

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    5. Brilliant article. I had wondered how future generations would view the mind boggling hysteria that is currently gripping the whole world, especially Europe and the USA. We look back at past centuries and wonder how they could have been so stupid. I guess it shows how powerful mass hysteria can be – like a stampede. Thought the writer was a historian, his analysis is so sharp. He has seen through the Emperor’s new clothesHERE Click For Full Detail.

  2. Hamilton can be canceled any time, please. It’s godawful.

    1. It’s a Broadway musical and since I live in Manhattan, I can promise that only tourists go to those.

      That said, who cares, lots of jobs for New Yorkers from those tourists and there is no accounting for taste.

    2. I couldn’t tell if it if was good or bad or in between, because I couldn’t discern 80% of the dialogue.

    3. For the life of me, I can’t understand why people are obsessed with this production. It is, by far, the most boring musical I have ever seen.

  3. It’s also notable that Miranda insisted on casting only actors of color in the musical.

    I thought this was no longer allowed. Asking actors to portray someone other than who they are (or in the case of gender, want to be) is the new sexism/racism/thing-ism.

    Or was that last week?

    1. What is notable about Miranda is that he is a racist.

      1. Ok Miranda you have not only the right to remain silent but the obligation..

    2. It actually makes it easier to reconcile the fact that they aren’t really playing the historical characters. Even if they were played by precise lookalikes, their personalities and their stances on historical issues are wrong. When you put in the fact that everyone has had a racelift, it’s clear that this is some fantasy story where the names just seem familiar.

      1. Thanks for ‘racelift’. (Apparently, even my spell-check is woke.)

        1. Racelift is awesome. I am so stealing that

        2. I didn’t invent it, but I’m glad you liked it nonetheless. It’s an old trope of Hollywood films that cast different races from their source material (like the Denzel Washington character from “The Pelican Brief,” for example.)

          1. How much it bothers me depends on the significance of the cross casting. I didn’t mind Denzel Washington in “Much Ado About Nothing.” Casting him as Atticus Finch would be difficult.

    3. Bill Burr had a great bit on this. “How come you didn’t hire an actual murderer to play the murderer?”

  4. Hamilton should be canceled. It is terrible. And I think very few people actually like it. They say they do but I never hear them listening to the sound track in the homes or cars the way people do with musicals they actually like. They just own it and advertise the fact that they do but never actually listen to it. And I don’t blame them. It is complete garbage. It is not even good rap music and it certainly isn’t good stage music.

    Beyond that, no white actor will ever be allowed to play a character of any other race again. So if you don’t cancel Hamilton, you cancel white actors. Beyond that, one of the only things Progressives have a point about is the absurd practice of having people of other races who look nothing like the person they are playing play a character. I am okay with no more John Wayne’s playing Genghis Khan. Along with that, however, no black people need to be playing Hamilton or Aaron Burr. That is equally absurd. And the white people who don’t find it absurd, only do so because they are paternalistic racist who view blacks as children and not subject to the rules everyone else lives by.

    Hamilton is going to be forgotten soon enough anyway. So, why not just cancel it now and get it over with.

    1. I never hear them listening to the sound track in the homes or cars the way people do with musicals they actually like.

      I just pictured a low rider in East L.A., rolling slow while blasting Gilbert and Sullivan. It didn’t end well for him.

      1. Some people love Broadway. Picture Tony rolling through Tulsa in his Prius listening to the soundtrack of Grease or Sweeny Todd and you will see what I mean.

      2. Was he the very model of a modern major general?

      3. “I’ve Got a Little List” rocks.

    2. They just own it and advertise the fact that they do but never actually listen to it.

      The just want to be seen liking the “right things.” It’s the musical of choice for virtue signaling retards.

      1. Plus is makes a great outing for the White Fragility book club.

    3. I am okay with no more John Wayne’s playing Genghis Khan.

      Are you OK with no more Alec Guinnesses playing Prince Faisal? If so, are you equally OK with no more Omar Sharifs playing Yuri Zhivago or Nicky Arnstein?

      1. Fair point. But the same twits who want to get rid of those roles think Hamilton is great. And that is bullshit.

    4. They did the same thing when the Dixie Chicks had their run in with Bush. They claimed to buy their latest albums. I find it amusing thinking about them sitting around, grimacing hard, listening to that caterwauling.

    5. And I think very few people actually like it.

      John, you may genuinely hate the show, but this is just stupid and revealing. Hamilton has played for 2.6 million people and grossed $650 million. It is an immensely popular and successful piece of theater.

      Broadway is clearly populated top to bottom with woke leftist snowflakes. If you hate it for that, or anything else, or you just hate theater or musicals — fine. Individual choice and all.

      But fucking hell, don’t live in denial.

      1. Successful is not the same as being liked. People go to it to virtue signal. If they actually liked it, they would listen to the music like they do music they actually like.

        They like the feeling of virtue signaling going to it and pretending to like it gives them. And good for the producers for capitalizing on that. But you are in denial of you think there is anything else going on here.

        1. And being liked is also not a measure of quality. Otherwise, McD’s makes the best food in the country.

        2. How do you know “they” aren’t listening to it?

          “Hamilton Cast Recording Enters Top 5 Highest-Selling Cast Albums in Nielsen Music History”

          https://www.playbill.com/article/hamilton-cast-recording-enters-top-5-highest-selling-cast-albums-in-nielsen-music-history

      2. I don’t like Broadway but I can tell you that Old Man River was in Showboat and Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas was in Meet me in St Louis or that Hopelessly Devoted was in Grease. Why do I know that? Because those songs are part of the cultural either and love them or hate them are loved by millions.

        Now without Googling it name me one song from Hamilton? Name me one song or or even line of dialogue that has worked itself into the popular culture? There are none that I am aware of. Why? Because people went to the show to virtue signal not because they really thought it was any good. If they thought that, given the obvious large audience and financial success you describe, parts of Hamilton would be unavoidable in the larger culture

        1. I have the same attitude as you: a musical isn’t any good if the songs aren’t any good. But many people seem to have a different attitude. Take Wicked. There was only one song in that entire show that was close to memorable. You couldn’t pay me to see it again. But I know many people who loved it.

        2. I happen to really like Hamilton. It’s one of a few modern musicals I regularly listen to. I’m sure you can find the sales figures for the soundtrack. It became wildly popular AFTER the cast released their soundtrack and that found a wider audience than the average broadway show.

          You can see several cultural touchstones that have emerged from it.
          For example, John Bolton titled his book “The Room Where it Happened” which is a song from Hamilton.

          1. Most of the immigrants I know have quoted the “immigrants, we get the job done” line more than once.

          2. Not to mention ‘I’m not giving up my…shot’. A number of songs from it have made it to the big time, if being played on XM Broadway and the Pandora Broadway channels is any indication. Sorry, Broadway geeks like it, although I think ‘In the Heights’ is actually a better show.

        3. I get your point John unlike Jesus christ Superstar and fiddler on the roof their songs are out there. I can’t name them but i can hum parts. that said i have seen those where i haven’t seen Hamilton. no need to cancel it just don’t watch it if you don’t like it. I will wait for it to come out on free tv broadcast and then maybe i will watch out of curiostiy

      3. Buncha fairies, too.

      4. theater for the masses….like Phantom and so on..McTheater as a friend of mine calls it..right up there with Cats…I’d rather go on a long hike or listen to Joe Rogan, Dave Smith or Tom Woods podcasts than waste money on McTheater with crappy songs

        1. Fun fact: There was a dancer in the chorus of Cats whose entire career was that one show. When the show closed, she was able to retire.

    6. I think everybody has lost sight of this thing called acting, where a person pretends to be somebody else.

      Yes, I realize that the SJW retards have other motivations, but I did not realize how autistic they must be to reject the idea of pretending.

      1. You are right.

    7. I really didn’t have any problem watching The Great on hulu (or whichever service), and it certainly took liberties with its casting. But it’s a comedy, so the absurdity of black Russian aristocrats came across as funny to me. Is Hamilton supposed to be taken seriously? I think that would influence how well you can sell the racelift (awesome term).

      1. The Great was damn good entertainment. Huzzah.

    8. The Conqueror is a very fun movie. For some reason we had some old VHS copy of it sitting around when my now-adult children were little, and for some reason they fixated on it. They watched the hell out of that movie!

    9. John, you stupid fuck, there are plenty of white people in ‘Hamilton’ – for example the actor who plays King George is white.

      1. I didn’t say there were not. God you are fucking stupid. You just make shit up and babble

    10. I genuinely liked it. However, I’m easily entertained and enjoy most musicals, comic book movies, hell I was even entertained by The Last Jedi.

      I don’t disagree that a lot of people that never listen to rap will lie and say they love it for woke points.

      To your point about racelifting, I’d rather we just go back to anybody can play any character than keep going down the most retarded of paths..

      1. Actors want to portray different characters. i understand that but sometimes things are done out of virtue signaling instead of wanting good acting. so many bad movies where jew try to portray indians or white people put on black to act like Africans in some terrible safari movies those things just look horrible and not justt for racist reasons they were used and always have been when real actors of those races were available

  5. a place where even orphan immigrants can leave their fingerprints and rise up.

    That line alone should send progs off the deep end.

  6. https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/07/crazy-woke-it-hurts-people-when-they-see-a-white-man-bouncing-a-brown-baby-on-their-lap/

    I defy anyone to listen to this and tell me that Progressivism isn’t a form of mental illness. Holy shit these people are nuts.

    1. One of the many unbelievable things in this article.

      A member of a NYC Community Education Council to a colleague: It hurts people when they see a white man bouncing a brown baby on their lap.

      I would like to know how having my friend’s nephew on my lap was racist.

      Read a book. Read White Fragility.

      Wow.

      1. I mean, was he juggling it like a soccer ball?

        These people are crazy separatists. Puts paid to all of the “It takes a village” tripe they used to spout.

        Anyone see this ending well at all? Even by only petering out?

        1. These people are crazy separatists.

          It’s probably only a matter of time until some left-wing academic publishes a paper proposing to bring back segregation. Actually, I’m sure someone more clever and with more free time on their hands than me could probably write a fake paper, complete with all the right woke/ PC buzzwords.

          1. Can you imagine if they got it published?

        2. Or dangling it out a window? (Quick check: is Michael Jackson black this month?)

      2. Does this mean David French is cancelled?

        1. Don’t make me line these people

      3. The main problem here is that people are talking about White Fragility as a foregone conclusion. You absolutely must challenge people who suggest such a thing every time. It is a bullshit theory that is just plain logically unfalsifiable.

    2. I’M NOT VOCAL ENOUGH!!!!!!!

      Damn lunatic.

    3. The meeting starts off straightforward enough: President Maud Maron outlines the agenda for the meeting, which calls for respectfulness among the members of the council, and asks for the council members to work to end their divisiveness, referencing a “ugly” June 11 meeting (not available online) and a proposal for a “norming session,” that is, a session in which to establish norms of appropriate behavior in how the council members work together.

      So… they needed to devote an entire meeting to establishing how functioning adults should behave in a meeting. Jesus fucking Christ, I’ve got to get off of this God forsaken planet.

  7. Two is the threshold for writing an article about it.

  8. “just because Hamilton was linked to the slave trade?

    Isn’t that why people are calling to remove the Jefferson and Washington monuments?

    “a show by a POC that has created jobs for scores of BIPOC artists”

    So as a white man it would be cool if I write a musical about and star in a show portraying George Washington Carver?

    1. So, America had slavery for what, 250 years? All of Africa had slavery for at least 10 times that long. When are the righteous gonna get around to canceling all THOSE people?

      (I dare you to try that in black face.)

      1. The US had slavery for 82 years.

        Less if you count from the ratification of the Constitution.

        1. Well, about 1/3 of the US states had slavery over that time. In the years after independence (the 1783 Treaty of Paris ending the war) the states *outside* of the South outlawed slavery either by legislation or in their constitutions.
          One of the few acts by the Continental Congress was the 1787 Northwest Ordinance (written mostly by Jefferson). It added a huge swathe of land in the mid-west (they were worried about the British operating out of Canada taking it). Slavery was banned.
          When Lincoln said the republic was “house divided” he didn’t just mean at that time. From the very beginning of the nation there was this division.

  9. >>”America, you great unfinished symphony, you sent for me,”

    ay gevalt no.

    1. What if we change “you great unfinished symphony” to “you magnificent bastard”?

      1. You are both wrong. Ask Nikole Hanna-Jones. America was a white supremacist conspiracy, and TJ was Hitler’s son (think time travel).

  10. The cancel culture wants to remove all dead white males from US history.
    Except for Saint Karl Marx, of course.
    They don’t want to over do it.

    1. Or Herbert Marcuse. Or Adorno, or Foucault, or Derrida… or Corbyn, or Sanders or Trudeau.

      1. Ahh, Marcuse. I hope that, if I ever visit Germany, I get the chance to take a long piss on his grave. That man did more harm to western civilization than anyone since Rousseau.

        1. Or for Pete’s sake Marcuse?
          Dear Abby does a better job of argument…

        2. “Ahh, Marcuse. I hope that, if I ever visit Germany, I get the chance to take a long piss on his grave.”

          That’s me in front of you in line, hoping to take a dump.

    2. It is weird that the one Western white male that isn’t criticized is Marx.
      Weird as in revealing.
      The West is condemned for creating colonialism and white supremacy but not for creating an ideology that has led to the mass slaughter of white and non-white people by the millions.

  11. I read this in the Wikipedia entry on Border states during the civil war

    “In the Indian Territory (present-day Oklahoma), most Indian tribes owned black slaves, and they sided with the Confederacy. It had promised them an Indian state if victorious in the war. But some tribes and bands sided with the Union. A bloody civil war resulted in the territory, with severe hardships for all residents.

    Hmmmm. Does this mean Columbus’ statues get reinstalled and Chief Seattle and the Crazy Horse monument get blowed up?

    1. Maybe. But hundreds of racial studies grad students are now recalculating the intersectional score tables.

    2. Well, tribal warfare was NOT invented by the migrant tribes from Russia (yes, them again!) who conquered and destroyed the cultures that were living in North America before the European landings on the east coast. Tribes we call ‘Indians’, American Indians’, or ‘Native Americans’, took the land by force of arms, and kept it, when they could, by force of arms.

      1. Not fair! Those swarthy people just did not know any better. Plus, they lost. And American progressives love losers.

        1. If you think they lost, I have a pipeline to sell you

    3. Yeah, that’s something that historians at academic conferences now avoid talking about as much as possible. This idea of the Civil War being some kind of golden abolitionist crusade against mint-julep sipping Confederates is a post-WW2 pretension. It doesn’t have any basis in fact.

      I mean, shit, what could have possibly motivated the Indian Territory tribes to join the Confederacy to fight the United States Army? It’s a real fucking mystery.

    4. Someone here recommended “Comanche Empire” (Pekka Hamalainen) for a rather more clear-eyed view of how the Amer-Indians and the Comanche in particular dealt with each other and the Euro-immigrants. Me, too, now.
      Hope this isn’t a spoiler: They did pretty much what people in general do under the circumstances, and often did it pretty well.

  12. I can respect these kooks for being consistent unlike the other proggies that see no problem with black actors playing white people but meltdown when white actors voice imaginary black people in cartoons.

    Hamilton sucks. I have not seen it but musicals blow. Cannibal! The Musical is the only musical worth watching.

  13. The problem fundamentally is the amplification of this nonsense by Twitter and other social media sites. This is not free exchange of ideas, it is designed purposely to send such messages in hopes of terrorizing others and shutting down debate. And if the barrage of messages, death threats, and doxxing doesn’t get you eventually someone will show up and physically harass or murder you.

    Take down these websites that are harmful they provide no substance except to exacerbate social problems.

  14. “But such critics miss the poetic justice in how Lin-Manuel Miranda framed his musical, with the plot centering on Hamilton, who is hardly the most famous of the Founding Fathers. Indeed, who pictures Hamilton as the lead role in the American Revolution?
    Miranda did, and it was no accident. The orphan immigrant from the West Indies, the antislavery advocate, is the founder we need for this moment, Miranda implies, a poignant reminder that such underdogs don’t always get the bulkiest chapters in the history books.”

    Hamilton wasn’t overlooked because he was an immigrant underdog. He was overlooked because, throughout my years in grade school, high school, college and law school, the received wisdom among liberal historians was that Hamilton was the villain of the Revolution who wanted to re-create the British monarchy and turn America over to the Wall Street bankers and the evil corporations, and who was stopped only by the heroics of Thomas Jefferson, the purported Man of the People. But because someone wrote a rap musical about him, Hamilton is now a hero.

    1. Because immigration was a big issue around the time Miranda was writing this, he decided Hamilton was an immigrant. Thus he had to be the good guy regardless of his politics.

      That said, there’s plenty of pros and cons you ascribe to Hamilton. He definitely did want a much stronger Federal state, but he was also the pragmatic answer to the pie-in-the-sky idealism that was exemplified by Jefferson.

      1. Hamilton did immigrate from (can’t remember which) a Caribbean island. And while he may not have been an orphan, his parental circumstances were certainly ‘convoluted’ at best.

        1. The island was Nevis. It’s very much not noteworthy except for being Hamilton’s birthplace.

          That doesn’t really make him an immigrant, since he moved from one British controlled territory to another. We wouldn’t call someone who moved from St. Croix to Nebraska an immigrant, nor would we call someone an immigrant for moving from Hawaii to New York.

          If you’re looking for someone you can call “immigrant” who had a large impact on the founding of the nation, you’re looking at Thomas Paine. He was English born, and only moved to the colonies right around the time revolution was brewing. Moreover, he fits the description of someone who was down on his luck and came to the US looking for work. He barely managed to avoid landing in a debtor prison in London before he met Benjamin Franklin.

    2. Miranda decided to write the musical after reading a biography on Hamilton by Ron Chernow. This book was fairly one-sided and painted Hamilton in a very positive light. There are a lot of historians that rightly point out the inaccuracies in the book and musical, but not many people have time for nuance.

      Hamilton really is more of the villain, especially from a libertarian perspective.

      1. “…There are a lot of historians that rightly point out the inaccuracies in the book…”

        Not disagreeing, just asking: Cites please.
        Chernow’s book seemed to reinforce info in bios of other founders and general histories of the time on my book shelves.

        1. Here’s a pretty good article i found via wikipedia:
          https://thebaffler.com/salvos/hamilton-hustle-stoller
          “most of Hamilton’s legacy is astonishingly counter-democratic. His central role in founding both the financial infrastructure of Wall Street and a nascent military establishment (which supplanted the colonial system of locally controlled democratic militias) was rooted in his self-appointed crusade to undermine the ability of ordinary Americans to govern themselves. We should be grateful not that Hamilton structured the essential institutions of America to fit his vision, but that he failed to do so. Had he succeeded, we would probably be living in a military dictatorship.”

          My research hasn’t gone far beyond this, tbh.

          1. Nope.
            I’ve read that argument, but have yet to see it supported. The cite shoots itself in the foot in the first couple of sentences.
            Books on the first couple of feet or so of the bookshelf regarding the Revolution argue otherwise: Atkinson’s “The British are Coming”, McCullough’s “1776”, and Ferling’s “Adams vs. Jefferson”. Probably The bios are on shelves in the other room but from memory Boles’ “Jefferson: Architect of American Liberty” also takes issue.
            I’m not supporting Hamilton as a paragon of liberty, but he managed to get the nascent US finances arranged so the country was able to act like other than a 3rd-world country. And I’ve yet to see any believable argument that the individual states could have settled their debts.

            1. Most notably, Hamilton was facing arguments that the new government should only honor notes that were still held by the person originally issued the note. In the lead-up to the Philadelphia Convention, many of the notes because items of speculation because it looked like there might finally be a federal government that could actually repay them.

              Hamilton insisted that there would be no faith in a government that failed to repay all of his debts, regardless who had bought up those debts at a discount. The national currency could very well have gone the way of the Continental.

            2. Interesting.
              Again, I haven’t read any books on this so you’re more knowledgeable in all likelihood.
              Can you respond to the article’s claim on Hamilton’s role in the Newburgh Conspiracy and the Whiskey Rebellion?

          2. It’s worth noting that he was quite happy to treat Washington as a monarch. He addressed him in letters as “Your Excellency” well before there was even a Presidency for Washington to occupy.

            1. “It’s worth noting that he was quite happy to treat Washington as a monarch. He addressed him in letters as “Your Excellency” well before there was even a Presidency for Washington to occupy.”

              As did others; your claim is not supported by your cite.

        2. Tom Woods debated Michael Malice re: Hamilton as a force for liberty or some such. Can’t remember the official terms of the pro/con but Woods was anti-Hamilton. After the Oxford style debate Woods walked away with the largest margin of victory anyone else had at this particular debate club (some place in NY I think).
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OeE_s1Gw7X4

          1. Thanks for the link. I’ll try to find some time to listen to it.

      2. I think most biographers tend to treat their subjects favorably. It’s partly selection bias since writers tend to focus on the people who interest them. The other part is that a good biography should always try to understand subjects on their own terms instead of imposing their own politics and modern sensibilities onto historical figures.

        I’ve read Chernow’s book, but I honestly can’t remember specifically what he wrote since it was one of about a dozen books I read in a short time about him, Madison, Governeur Morris, and the Constitutional Convention.

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  15. “America, you great unfinished symphony, you sent for me,” says the titular character

    So, Hamilton was not only Black, but *Trans*?!

  16. I attended a performance of Hamilton about two years ago and it was a waste of time. There were Rap music numbers, pure trash. Ten minutes into the performance, I wanted to stand up and yell out loud, “this is crap”, then walk out but I was up front in a middle row with about 30 filled seats on each side. Fortunately, I had my Apple I Pod and was able to drown out the nonsense presented on stage by listening to real music, jazz. I did leave during the intermission. Avoid Hamilton, it is not entertaining.

  17. Speaking of cancel culture, apparently it’s verboten to criticize anything Tammy Duckworth says because she lost her legs in Iraq, even when she’s full-on fucking wrong.

    1. Following in Max Cleland’s…well, ‘footsteps’ is probably the wrong word. You get the idea.

  18. Put me down for #CancelHamilton

  19. How about we cancel fucking twitter instead?

    1. A viable option. As for all anti-social media platforms.
      Or be an old fart like some of us and never sign up.
      (I read the terms of service all the way through)

  20. All you conservatives are musically inept you know. Conservatives suck at music. Even the big country music talents are liberal like Garth Brooks and Tim McGraw.

    You suck at pretty much everything.

    1. You are full of shit you know.

    2. Roger Daltry of the Who is a pretty good musician and old style conservative

    3. In other news, the hicklib is upset that Hamilton wasn’t about child porn.

      1. Yeah, the assumption here is that turd is someone knowledgeable about music, and about the political sympathies of musicians.
        That’s about as likely as turd posting without a lie.

    4. I’m in an industry also dominated by liberals, graphic/web design, it’s not because conservatives suck at design(though they generally are horrible) so much as it is that designers generally know nothing about economics or business. The same holds true for other artists.
      People are specialists, it’s why central planning is doomed to fail.

  21. Didn’t see it and don’t plan on seeing it. Hamilton was the original snake in the founders garden of eden. He perverted the Constitution and sold the country out to stock jobbers right from the start. Central banks now and then are immoral and enrich the well connected. cancel it..and cancel him…Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and to a lesser extent Madison cared about liberty..Hamiton was chasing married women and engaging in speculation..he would have fit in with the well connected wall street/K street/silicon valley types today…

    1. M’kay…

  22. Regarding ‘cultural appropriation’ you might read Jean Manco’s “Ancestral Journeys”, examining how, oh, the cattle-raising plains Germans came from a culture originating on the shores of the Black Sea. She quotes Kohl, a Bronze Age historian:
    “The cultures that ethnographers study are not pure, pristine entities developing in a vacuum. Rather, they are almost always hybrids, fissioning or coalescing, assimilating or modifying the customs of neighbouring peoples with whom they constantly interact. Cultures are not primordial entities or essences once crystallized in time and then remaining forever the same; they are never ‘made’, but always in the making”.
    Similarly, Spengler’s emphasis on ‘the becoming’, never ‘the being’.

  23. People on the right are not actually upset about Miranda casting people of color in Hamilton. They are upset that not that long ago (and still happening) a movement was started to vilify any white actor playing a person of color. The argument was that it was wrong to “steal” a prospective part/job from someone of color. But the issue is that such an argument only works if you are racist and believe that skin tone should grant you access to or forbid you from some job. So it quickly became OK to cast people of color for like roles. Whites could still play white roles. But then it became “progressive” and “enlightened” to cast people of color in white roles… thus creating the hypocrisy. And it is THIS that is the crux of the problem for people on the right (sans actual racists, as few as there are they do exist). To many on the right, Hamilton would have been a perfectly fine exploration of American history and race. But instead it became a GIANT fuck you to white America. Not because whites weren’t cast… but because whites were told they have to operate under a different set of rules based on race. The left does not seek to end racism/sexism/classism. They simply seek to invert the roles but keep the fundamentally evil structure in place. THIS is why people are lurching farther to the right. If racism is what is required to end racism… then the left is stupid for not expecting racism in return. That does not mean I condone it… just that it makes sense among the masses. Most people, left or right, are emotional. And they will adopt things in turn… it’s the shitty part about humanity.

    Over the last few days thinking about Hamilton, Miranda’s interesting point made via casting (even if you disagree it is am interesting way to make a point)…. I’ve wondered of someone should make a movie about MLK or Frederick Douglass but cast them as white. And to do so on purpose not because of race per se… but as a challenge to people across all races. Did you judge the movie and it’s actors by the color of their skin? Or did you judge the message (character of heart)? Thks is essentially in the same vein as Miranda. So on what grounds would the left have to complain? A film promoting the idea of racial harmony and equality. A film honoring the work and ideas of a black man. And doing them in ernest. Or would they have to admit that they are, in fact, hypocritical racist assholes?

    1. They are upset that not that long ago (and still happening) a movement was started to vilify any white actor playing a person of color. The argument was that it was wrong to “steal” a prospective part/job from someone of color. But the issue is that such an argument only works if you are racist and believe that skin tone should grant you access to or forbid you from some job.

      Or, it could be about trying to tell the story in the correct way.

      I’ve wondered of someone should make a movie about MLK or Frederick Douglass but cast them as white.

      It would make no sense, because white Americans *in general* were not oppressed to the same level as MLK or Frederick Douglass were.

      If you want to tell a story about oppression in general, then there is no need to use the MLK or Frederick Douglass story to tell the tale, and there are tons of stories already out there on that topic, regardless of race. Look at any story about Spartacus for example. If you want to tell the MLK or Frederick Douglass story, though, then use black actors because the basis of their oppression was the color of their skin.

      1. “Or, it could be about trying to tell the story in the correct way.”

        Hmm, must have been a cite there which got eaten by your idiocy, right.

        1. My citation is “my opinion”. If you don’t like it then I don’t care.

          1. So your cite is that you are full of shit?
            How……….
            obvious.

      2. What story in what correct way? Historically correct means white actors. Correct as the story teller decides means whites can be cast for any role per the director’s wishes, SJWs be damned.

        And that you focused on the oppressive history MLK and Douglas faced instead of the aspect of desiring a society that did not judge on color speaks volumes to your bias. I pointed out that the point of this hypothetical story was to challenge the viewer to hear the message of not judging people based on race. On the desire to love in a world where people are instead judged on their character. So making the lead white serves this purpose. The hypothetical is not a movie about historical oppression but about challenging people’s view of race, racism, and the current seeking of inverse racism as a cure to history.

  24. Watched it with my wife and kids (her idea) last weekend. It wasn’t bad but not great either and I am not a fan of musicals at all. The only reason everyone had such huge boners over it was for its virtue signal value, it will be forgotten 10 years from now and won’t be coming back.

  25. And they made no mention of the fact that Hamilton wanted the US to be a monarchy.

    1. Well yes and no. He wanted the US to have a “President for life” but could be impeached and removed by Congress.

      He was basically a neocon before the term was invented. Strong executive, strong military, centralized power.

      1. “Well yes and no. He wanted the US to have a “President for life” but could be impeached and removed by Congress.”

        Again, and is common, you’re cite fell off, fucking lefty piece of shit.

        1. Gee, lefty SHIT Jeff, you were asked for a cite above and again here. And is seems lefty SHIT Jeff has a problem providing any, right lefty SHIT Jeff?
          Man, I’m tired of lying lefty SHITS!

          1. Anyone to the left of Ted Cruz is a “lefty shit” to you. So who really fucking gives a damn.

            1. “chemjeff radical individualist
              July.8.2020 at 12:20 am
              “Anyone to the left of Ted Cruz is a “lefty shit” to you. So who really fucking gives a damn.”
              Anyone to the right of AOC is a ‘righty’ to you, and you prove it on nearly every post.
              Along with your constant lies, you lefty piece of shit.

        2. I don’t really fucking care.

          1. Of course you don’t. Being called on your lefty shit is pretty much constant.
            Fuck off and die.

  26. Clemente’s latter tweet received a grand total of 16 likes

    a) what a useless statement. what’s the conversion rate of ‘likes’ to ‘who the fuck cares’ ?
    b) could not give less of a shit about everyone and thing involved in this story.

  27. I don’t give a shit about that show. I want to see a show about Aaron Burr, who did our country a great service by shooting that goddamned traitor.

    -jcr

    1. Hamilton was the the devil on Washington’s shoulder. “Tax the small whiskey distillers out of business to line the coffers and eliminate your small time competition.”

      1. Cite missing, and I’m sure it will never arrive.

  28. Brilliant article. I had wondered how future generations would view the mind boggling hysteria that is currently gripping the whole world, especially Europe and the USA. We look back at past centuries and wonder how they could have been so stupid. I guess it shows how powerful mass hysteria can be – like a stampede. Thought the writer was a historian, his analysis is so sharp. He has seen through the Emperor’s new clothesHEREClick For Full Details.

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  30. Hamilton won’t be cancelled simply because the left never truly holds itself to it’s own standards. If white people can’t play black characters then blacks shouldn’t be able to play white characters. No, don’t make excuses and bring up diversity. It’s hypocritical. Either one race can play another or they can’t.

    Cancel culture itself is hypocritical. The left threw a fit when James Gunn got cancelled for edgy jokes on twitter about molesting kids and celebrated when he got uncanceled. Yet they had no problem with Hartley Sawyer from The Flash being fired for edgy sexist jokes.

    And they’ll cry and ask buildings named after Jefferson and washington to be renamed, but won’t demand the Washington Post change their name.

    They will lie and say they just wanna go after Confederate statues and then tear down statues of Frederick Douglass(along with the added audacity of trying to blame the right)

    They are petty hypocritical inconsistent children.

  31. I expect that a lot of the “like” for Hamilton is virtue signaling.

  32. Cancel the show because it is an infantile retelling of a man’s story using dumped down rhythms ( proto music) and sponsored by the most evil of the media companies. This one will be studied by historians and viewed similare the debauchery and excesses of Weimar Germany. The refrain will be ” How could anyone be so stupid and dull to enjoy THAT?”

  33. If you actually listen to Hamilton it makes him sound more like a flawed human being and leader. I don’t know why progressives celebrate him.

    Hell, in the first 5 minutes, Hamilton says:
    “God, I wish there was a war Then we could prove that we’re worth more than anyone bargained for”

    Sounds like something progressives and democrats would attribute to George W. Bush. Is that really what war is all about? Self-aggrandizement? But they clap along because of casting and identity politics.

    The emperor has no clothes.

  34. Brilliant article. I had wondered how future generations would view the mind boggling hysteria that is currently gripping the whole world, especially Europe and the USA. We look back at past centuries and wonder how they could have been so stupid. I guess it shows how powerful mass hysteria can be – like a stampede. Thought the writer was a historian, his analysis is so sharp. He has seen through the Emperor’s new clothesHER….Click For Full Details.

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