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Space

NASA Astronauts Hitch a Ride With Elon Musk's SpaceX

Today's Crew Dragon launch marks the first time a private company has sent humans into orbit.

Christian Britschgi | 5.30.2020 3:30 PM

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NASA is back in the business of carrying astronauts into space, and it's relying on private enterprise to get the job done.

At 3:22 P.M. Eastern time today, NASA astronauts Doug Hurley and Bob Behnken were carried from Kennedy Space Center in Florida into low Earth orbit inside SpaceX's Crew Dragon vehicle and propelled by the company's Falcon 9 rocket. It marks the first time NASA astronauts have been launched into space from the U.S. since the last flight of the agency's Space Shuttle program in 2011. It's also the first time a privately-owned craft has carried humans into orbit.

"We are once again launching American astronauts on American rockets from American soil," said NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine in a Tuesday press conference. "This is a big moment in time. It's been nine years since we've had this opportunity."

The launch was originally scheduled for Wednesday, but was delayed because of weather.

The Crew Dragon vehicle will now carry the two astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS), where they will stay for anywhere from 30 days to four months.

Liftoff! pic.twitter.com/DRBfdUM7JA

— SpaceX (@SpaceX) May 30, 2020

Since the Shuttle program was axed nearly a decade ago, NASA has been paying the Russian government to carry its astronauts to space, which has cost as much as $86 million per seat, according to CNN.  Today's mission relieves the U.S. of having to rely on a foreign government to get its astronauts into space. It also relieves NASA of having to rely on government-owned spacecraft.

The success of the Crew Dragon mission is a vindication of the space agency's decade-and-a-half long transition to a commercial space model that has spurred private innovation and saves taxpayers money.

Technically, collaborations between NASA and private industry have gone back decades, with big private defense contractors like Boeing and Lockheed Martin helping to design the rockets and vehicles that carry cargo and crew into space. Those collaborations, however, were typically conducted through "cost-plus" contracts. These arrangements, as Ars Technica's Eric Berger describes in a detailed history of NASA's move to commercial space, were a recipe for cost overruns:

"For big human spaceflight projects, NASA engineers had decided precisely what they needed, selected a contractor to build it, and then monitored every step with paperwork in triplicate. For this, the contractor got reimbursed for its costs, plus a generous fee. If a vehicle ran five years late and doubled its original budget, NASA was on the hook for cost overruns. This tended to not encourage on-time delivery, but eventually the government got what it wanted."

The SpaceX launch that occurred today relied on a "fixed-price" model, where NASA would specify what service it wanted and the price it would pay for its development. Private companies would then compete for those contracts. As part of its "buy a ticket, not a vehicle" motto, NASA would effectively be a customer of these private companies, who would own and operate their craft.

This new approach got started in earnest back in 2005 when NASA announced it would award $500 million to two companies to develop cargo-carrying vehicles to low Earth orbit as part of its Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) program. Space X and Orbital Services eventually received the initial contracts under COTS.

In 2012, SpaceX—founded by former PayPal CEO Elon Musk—became the first private company to deliver supplies to the ISS as part of the COTS program.

The success of this program later led to the creation of the Commercial Crew Program (CCP), which would focus on developing systems for human space flight. In 2014, NASA awarded both SpaceX and Boeing contracts of $2.6 billion and $4.2 billion respectively to build and operate crew launch systems. That's a screaming bargain compared to the cost of more directly government-managed space development programs. Berger, at Ars Technica, notes one 2009 estimate showing that it would cost the government $34.5 billion to develop the Ares I rocket and Orion crew-carrying spacecraft as part of NASA's now cancelled-Constellation program.

"We were effectively doing what the Constellation Program was doing with about the same amount of money, total, that they were burning in a single month," said one NASA engineer who was assigned to work with SpaceX on their Cargo Dragon project.

The Space Launch System NASA adopted to replace the Constellation Program, and which is being done on the traditional cost-plus contract model, has also suffered from missed deadlines and cost overruns.

While the free market futurist vision of private moon colonies is still probably a few decades away, the Crew Dragon launch is an important milestone and a useful example of how to successfully contract out government functions to private companies.

Also, check out Reason's interview with aerospace pioneer Burt Rutan on the dawn of private space travel:

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  1. Azathoth!!   5 years ago

    They're up!

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  2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   5 years ago

    Interesting that they co-opted COTS from its original meaning of Commercial Off The Shelf. How will they do the same when it moves out of orbit, to the moon or Mars? Commercial Outbound Transportation Services?

    1. Horatio Cornblower   5 years ago

      Same thought here.

      But a great accomplishment for Space X. I can't wait for their truly commercial manned missions.

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    2. DRM   5 years ago

      Currently, they don't have any plans for hiring commercial transport beyond orbit. Those missions are all reserved for the Senate Lunch System.

      1. Overt   5 years ago

        But that doesn't matter. SpaceX already has a guy paying for a trip around the moon, and another company is already hiring them for an orbital tourism service.

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  3. Piss Maguire   5 years ago

    Reason is celebrating two white guys flying to the space station on an American vehicle? Isn't your usual beat wringing your hands over the injustice of some problem negro getting a long overdue tune up from the cops?

    1. crufus   5 years ago

      When did Reason comments become the go-to place for retarded racist Trump fanbois to gather to try to outdo each other posting stupid insults?

      1. Case of the Mondays   5 years ago

        When we started pissing down your throat and you liked it.

        1. Mother's lament   5 years ago

          Yeah, it's pretty obvious that "Piss Maguire", "crufus" and "Elon Musk" are all Jeff's socks for today.

          1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

            Wrong-o. I’m not Jeff.

            Funny how you all get so worked up about Trump supposedly being impeached with “no evidence” or about COVID-19 scientific studies that go against Trump’s latest tweet, but you’ll just make up shit with no more evidence than the contemplation of your own belly button.

            Truth is, you don’t know who I am.

            1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

              Predictable and unoriginal, typical proggie apologist. We know all we need to know. And it is quite fitting that our other proggie troll is sucking your dick down thread. The truth is something you two only have a passing acquaintance with.

              1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

                No evidence I’m a “proggie”. But you actually believe shit all the time without evidence, especially if it comes from Trump.

                1. Sevo   5 years ago

                  "No evidence I’m a “proggie”.

                  Perhaps not a proggie, just a run of the mill fucking TDS victim:
                  "Funny how you all get so worked up about Trump supposedly being impeached with “no evidence” or about COVID-19 scientific studies that go against Trump’s latest tweet, but you’ll just make up shit with no more evidence than the contemplation of your own belly button."

                  1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

                    Guess I’m “living rent free in your head”.

                    1. Nardz   5 years ago

                      Fuck off and die, Welch

                    2. Sevo   5 years ago

                      Elon Musk, Redux
                      May.30.2020 at 9:58 pm
                      "Guess I’m “living rent free in your head”."

                      Guess you are full of shit. TDS victims do not live in my head; Trump lives in theirs, 24-7, 365.
                      Like vegans, you never have to ask, they'll TELL YOU, you pathetic piece of shit.

                    3. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

                      LOL, Nardz and Sevo go at each other further down in the comments, showing that they are just a couple of pissed-off dudes with poor social skills who cannot get along with anyone. Hilarious.

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            2. Mother's lament   5 years ago

              Wrong-o. I’m not Jeff.

              The hell you aren't.

              1. Mike Drop   5 years ago

                I aren’t.

      2. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

        Pretty sure this is a proggie trying to besmirch the name of conservatives and libertarians.

      3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug   5 years ago

        When did Reason comments become the go-to place for retarded racist Trump fanbois to gather to try to outdo each other posting stupid insults?

        About the time The Dotard was elected. The arrival of Trump was a bat signal to bigots, rednecks, Christ-Fags, and Neo Nazis that they don't have to live in shame amongst country-club Republicans who look down on them,

        1. Mother's lament   5 years ago

          Did you book an appointment with a cardiologist Butplug? The edema on your hands looked bad.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug   5 years ago

            Conservatism has become synonymous with "white trash" in the Age of Trump.

            It's sad because we need a fiscally responsible party but with Trump's $4 trillion annual deficit and poor economic record the only discerning policy attributable to the GOP today is Aborto-Freak and racist policy.

            1. Mother's lament   5 years ago

              Okay, but that didn't answer my question.
              Your hands weren't simply "fat" in your picture, it looks like peripheral edema.

              I think you're an evil tool, but that doesn't mean I want you dead.

            2. Mike Drop   5 years ago

              And lots of playing the victim. Don’t forget that Trumpian conservatism is all about playing the victim.

      4. Elon Musk   5 years ago

        About three and a half years ago. It’s a little colony of pathetic basement dwellers who come here every day to bitch about how Reason is part of the MSM persecuting poor Donald Trump, who only wants to do good stuff like drain the swamp and keep the Mexicans out.

        1. Mother's lament   5 years ago

          Don't samefag a response to your own obviously rhetorical question, Jeff.
          It looks even more pathetic than your usual antics.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug   5 years ago

            When is the Boogaloo?

            As a white anti-war classic liberal I want to sit it out.

            1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

              Me, too.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug   5 years ago

                What happened to Elon Musk?

                1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

                  He’s a little schizo since discovering he can continually change his name in the account settings. A trick he learned from “tulpa”.

        2. Sevo   5 years ago

          "Elon Musk
          May.30.2020 at 6:35 pm
          "About three and a half years ago..."

          Whiny lefty losers date their lives from the time the hag (and they) lost.
          Fuck off, you pathetic piece of lefty shit.

      5. Mother's lament   5 years ago

        When did Reason comments become the go-to place for posturing progs pretending there's anything vaguely libertarian about their woke peccadilloes?

      6. mad.casual   5 years ago

        When did Reason comments become the go-to place for retarded racist Trump fanbois to gather to try to outdo each other posting stupid insults?

        The fact that you've given that comment as much credit as you have says more about you than it does about them.

  4. Earnesto Concernada   5 years ago

    The commercialization of space will only increase inequality, as the haves can go to space, while the have nots (women, minorities) can’t.

    I notice that two white men just made history in space, again, proving that little has changed.

    1. IceTrey   5 years ago

      Well black men are only 6% of the population so there aren't a ton of applicants for the job.

      1. Juice   5 years ago

        Well black men are only 6% of the population

        And yet...

        sorry couldn't resist

    2. Horatio Cornblower   5 years ago

      Parody account? If not, fuck off.

      A lot of new handles recently...

      1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

        No, dyed in the wool proggie account. He's been around for a couple weeks and always has the worst proggie take on anything, including hating capitalism and worshipping government control of everything.

        1. Sevo   5 years ago

          I wasn't certain yet; almost too stereotypical.

      2. Echospinner   5 years ago

        Hard to tell these days.

        There have been over 65 female astronauts. At least 14 African Americans one of which, Charles Bolden was the former head of NASA and, among other many other accomplishments piloted the mission which launched the Hubble telescope.

        So I don’t know how someone could post something that ignorant without being deliberately provocative.

    3. Earth Skeptic   5 years ago

      Eventually, they will go. Somebody has to do the laundry and trash pick up.

      1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

        Can you make a sandwich in microgravity?

    4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 years ago

      Yup. Bob and Doug. McKenzie?

      Are we sure they’re not canucks? Take off, eh?

    5. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 years ago

      Oh, and everything is so terrible and unfair.

      Haha.

    6. Fats of Fury   5 years ago

      Did you forget Elon Musk is an African-American?

  5. Fist of Etiquette   5 years ago

    How can I see this as anything but a sad day for Space Force.

    1. Elon Musk   5 years ago

      I rocked the spacesuits, didn’t I? Space Force could learn a few things about space style from ol’ Elon.

  6. Echospinner   5 years ago

    Coolest thing I have seen in a long time.

    Go rocket dudes!

  7. rbike   5 years ago

    I have worked directly with NASA and SpaceX. I have designed machines for both. NASA has been burning money on things that it might need. NASA's requests were always technically conservative. Insanely inefficient. SpaceX demanded things that worked and they wanted innovation. And low cost. And they would take risks. Elon Musk deserves his spot in history for pushing the envelope and getting us back into space.

    1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

      Good for Musk. I've been pleasantly surprised by how much my opinion of him has risen lately. This is a great step forward for manned space flight and exploration. The exploration of the Americas and the Pacific by Europeans was largely private, or government contracted private. This was how space should have been explored from the start. Unfortunately, most of our space program was a cover for ICBM development.

      1. Earth Skeptic   5 years ago

        I also think better of Musk lately. If he really pulls the Tesla Factory out of California, I will like him even more.

        1. Nardz   5 years ago

          He's still a grifter, but he doez positive things too.
          People are shades of gray

          1. Granite   5 years ago

            Fuck that - a grifter is someone with empty promises - like Joseph smith. Last I checked Elon makes good on the shit he sells.

            1. Nardz   5 years ago

              Some of it.
              Remember that investor who he was going to take Tesla private with?
              Neither does he.
              But the short sellers remember

              1. mad.casual   5 years ago

                Pretty much every single one of his first-pass promises is technically wrong in at least one dimension. Not that other people are phenomenally better, but to act like Musk is a man of his word is idiot. Especially with the number fo flat out wrong/impossible things he says.

                Are we ever gonna actually get a $30K Model 3?

                Remember in the Mid 2000s when he was gonna buy Russian rockets to send terrestrial life to Mars? Considering the number of rockets SpaceX blew up (with NASA's, Facebooks's, etc. payload on board), the Russians were right to say no.

                If nothing else, the guy has unprecedented luck (or skill depending on your POV) in failing up.

    2. Elon Musk   5 years ago

      Thank you. I’m crazy as a shit house rat sometimes, but I know how to hire engineers.

  8. CE   5 years ago

    CNN's live feed was hilarious today. After "go for launch" they started the countdown at T minus 30 seconds, and the video showed the rocket lifting off at T minus 26 seconds. The announcer lady continued counting down, reaching "ignition" and "liftoff" long after the ship was airborne. It kind of wrecked the drama.

    1. Rich   5 years ago

      Gives a whole 'nother meaning to "Breaking News", don't it?

    2. Earth Skeptic   5 years ago

      Barbie says, "Math is hard!"

      1. Nemo Aequalis   5 years ago

        You are so going to hell.

    3. Sevo   5 years ago

      CNN can't count?
      Well, CNN can't do a lot of stuff very well.

      1. Squirrelloid   5 years ago

        They're useless if there isn't a missing plane to find.

        Come to think of it, they're useless then too.

    4. Echospinner   5 years ago

      My guess is the feeds have time delays.

    5. Elon Musk   5 years ago

      Walter Conkrite would have nailed it.

  9. StackOfCoins   5 years ago

    So glad it didn't blow up.

    1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

      NASA has killed how many astronauts over the years, three explosions I can think of off the top of my head, but I am sure as soon as a civilian space service has a similar issue the proggies will be screaming "this is why the government should be the only ones exploring space." I can already see the NYT editorials of when (it's never an if, space is unforgiving) it happens. Unfortunately, unless things change, I see to many people buying into it. Hopefully there will be enough momentum by that time that it won't kill civilian space flight.

      1. Earth Skeptic   5 years ago

        It will be part of the Time's Evils of Capitalism series.

      2. Elon Musk   5 years ago

        You are way too far your anti-liberal ass. Just relax and stop seeing everything through partisan glasses. Liberals are wrong about stuff, but they are just people. They like space exploration just as much as a red-blooded conservative like yourself.

        1. Mother's lament   5 years ago

          Piss off, Jeff. You're not fooling anyone.

        2. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

          They like government space exploration. The free, private kind, not so much. So fuck off.

          1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

            You are arguing with liberals that exist in your head about something they haven’t actually said. This is the very definition of derangement syndrome.

            1. Sevo   5 years ago

              "...This is the very definition of derangement syndrome."

              Those afflicted by TDS often project their inability to separate their fantasies from reality upon others.
              Fuck off.

              1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

                If Trump Derangement Syndrome is a thing, so are derangement syndromes against Obama, Hillary, “proggies”, Schiff, “Jeffy”, ENB, Ronald Bailey, “unreason”, “libtards”, “Karen”, MSM, and on and on. It’s non-stop bitching from you Trump ass kissers about your superior beliefs being under siege from a thousand threats, real and imagined.

                1. Nardz   5 years ago

                  Damn, dude, your psyche is in a sad, sad state.
                  Maybe try being less emotionally invested in Reason magazine.
                  You're just going to end up going down with the ship

                2. Sevo   5 years ago

                  "If Trump Derangement Syndrome is a thing,.."

                  You are the obvious example.
                  You lost in '16 and as an infantile ego, you've yet to come to terms with it.
                  Fuck off and die; make your family proud and the world a better place, you piece of shit.

            2. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

              I am arguing based upon the history of the progressive movement. It is all about government control of every aspect of life. Remember the 2nd place finisher in the last two Democratic primaries is a self described socialist, and every poll taken recently has shown that the left views socialism more favorably than capitalism. And stop calling them liberals, because they aren't, they are progressives. Big fucking difference.

  10. Ken Shultz   5 years ago

    Anything that lifts the public mood right about now is welcome. It's pretty clear that everything NASA does, private enterprise is doing better, sooner, and at a fraction of the cost. NASA makes the efforts of profit seeking entrepreneurs seem more like wins for the nation, I guess. I don't know how good that is over the long run, but for the moment, right now, I guess it's a welcome distraction. Over the long run, NASA might do the taxpayer better by being folded into the new Space Force. Leaving colonization and science to entrepreneurs and academics (rather than government bureaucrats) is probably better for both colonization and science.

    1. IceTrey   5 years ago

      NASA has been doing pretty well with the rovers and probes lately. Galileo and New Horizons were mind blowing.

      1. Ken Shultz   5 years ago

        The SLS is a make-work money pit that would cost the taxpayers less if it was useless and did nothing.

        The sooner they come to terms with that project as a sunk cost, the better it will be for all of us.

        I can't see past that to notice anything good they're doing--other than distract from viruses, recessions, and riots.

        1. IceTrey   5 years ago

          What a shame.

        2. StackOfCoins   5 years ago

          NASA does good science, for science. I'm less impressed by claims that their materials science work transformed the world and yada yada (these discoveries would have been made eventually; NASA got their first with buckets of money). They have always had all the problems of a government agency doing non-governmental work: mission creep, blown budgets, lack of accountability.

          Eventually NASA is getting shelved. They should not exist: it's not the government's job to do science. When the real penny-pinching starts there is no logical reason to keep NASA. When that happens I hope all the talent is adopted by a thriving private space industry.

    2. Nardz   5 years ago

      "Anything that lifts the public mood right about now is welcome"

      Not to those organizing ever more riots

      1. R Mac   5 years ago

        I’ve been assured by Lying Jeffy that no one is organizing any of these riots.

  11. DRM   5 years ago

    They stuck the landing on the first stage, too. The promise of the Space Shuttle, finally delivered.

    1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

      And it took private industry to do it. Who would have thunk it? Other than anybody who has ever studied history, that is.

  12. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

    I propose that Musk name his first commercial space freighter the Rocinante.

    1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

      And make the Captain change his name legally to James Holden (if he can't find someone already with that name to command it).

      1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

        You don’t want me naming people.

        1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

          Did you miss the reference? Because it appears you did.

  13. SQRLSY One   5 years ago

    Government Almighty boondoggle…

    NASA will pay a staggering $146 million for each SLS rocket engine
    The rocket needs four engines and it is expendable.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/nasa-will-pay-a-staggering-146-million-for-each-sls-rocket-engine/

  14. SQRLSY One   5 years ago

    Here’s another one, about political suppression of promising space tech, for political reasons, which is even worse than the inefficient per-state spreading of jobs goodies…

    Below shows we are FINALLY moving in the right direction, at least…

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/07/nasa-agrees-to-work-with-spacex-on-orbital-refueling-technology/
    NASA agrees to work with SpaceX on orbital refueling technology

    Out-take from there is below…

    The rocket program mostly benefited the Alabama space center and was championed by Alabama State Senator Richard Shelby. The potential of in-space fuel storage and transfer threatened the SLS rocket because it would allow NASA to do some exploration missions with smaller and cheaper rockets. As one source explained at the time, “Senator Shelby called NASA and said if he hears one more word about propellant depots he’s going to cancel the Space Technology program.”

    1. Elon Musk   5 years ago

      Sigh. Hopefully true commercial space travel and exploration will develop, and the government’s role will diminish.

      1. Overt   5 years ago

        SLS Is a bane.

        Musk is currently working on building a Starship every week. Imagine integrating all the stuff you learned from testing, and you have those changes within a couple weeks. This is the joy of Continuous Integration and Deployment with software, but it is happening with hardware.

        Imagine what other companies could to if NASA got rid of SLS and instead just gave bounties to reach milestones. Get X tons of payload into orbit. Get X tons from LEO to Lunar Transfer.

        There might be more reusable launch vessles, but there are plenty of other options, like orbital space tethers to get gear from low earth orbit into high with greater fuel efficiency.

        But instead, we are stuck with the SLS that will be a billion dollars a launch, and everything thrown away. When I went to Florida last year and visited KSC, the SLS propaganda was ALL over the place. And yet all anyone- including the people working there- would talk about was the Falcon Heavy getting ready to launch.

  15. Moderation4ever   5 years ago

    I spent too much of my youth building models of cars, ships, plans, and NASA rockets. I wonder if Elon Musk has a deal with Revell for his rockets. Seems like a good way to squeeze a few more bucks out of the program. No a lot of course but might pay for the electricity to run his Tesla.

    1. Echospinner   5 years ago

      Estes rockets were fun.

      I wonder if they are still around.

    2. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

      Models don't seem to be popular with modern kids. Guess it's easier to play with spaceships in a computer game.

      1. Overt   5 years ago

        My kids build estes rockets in scouts. It is far easier, because they give you a lot of pre-molded plastic pieces. My first rocket, you spend a lot of time gluing up cardboard pieces to make the engine mount, gluing it into the rocket tube, and then cutting, sanding and mounting balsa wood fins.

        In the new rockets, all of that is done with three pieces of snap-on premolded plastic.

        It is nice that the kids can build their rocket in about 1/5th the time. But they also don't need any attention to detail.

        1. Mike Drop   5 years ago

          That’s great. Estes rockets are a blast — literally.

  16. Ken Shultz   5 years ago

    Just for the record, I maintain that we don't need to colonize the moon or Mars to colonize the stars.

    When Europeans colonized the Americas, there were some wealthy entrepreneurs looking for treasure, but the masses of people who colonized America were also motivated by things like religious fanaticism, they came here unwillingly as prisoners, slaves, and they came to flee the destruction of European wars, etc. Even when I've interacted with American expat communities in Latin America, most of the people I knew there would tell me they left to have an adventure, but if you dug a bit, you'd find that they didn't leave despite things going so well back home. They left America behind because their spouse divorced them and took the house, because there was a recession, because they lost their job, etc.

    That's good news for space colonization if it isn't necessary to offer people a colony on Mars to get them to leave the earth behind forever. Maybe we just need to offer a better life on board an interstellar space ship than what they have as an unemployed former factory worker in Detroit. Gattaca may have had it all backwards. Space travel won't be for the elite. Space travel will be about people leaving the ghettos in order to spend their lives on the Love Boat.

    1. IceTrey   5 years ago

      If we libertarians ever manage to take over we'll finally be allowed into the Galactic Federation and space travel will be for everyone!

    2. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

      But don’t they need some way to pay for the spaceships. Some space product or resource they can trade?

      1. Ken Shultz   5 years ago

        Quite frankly, it should be that way here on earth. We're all supposed to earn our keep or be taken care of willingly by people who care about us. The idea that people will need to earn their keep onboard a spaceship isn't a bummer. It's an enticement.

        "He who does not work, neither shall he eat"

        ----Captain John Smith

        Jamestown
        Virginia Colony
        1609

        1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

          Your missing my point. Regardless of the individual motivations and work ethic of space settlers, the entire enterprise of building, launching, and sustaining space habitats will require finance.

          That means seeking something out there that can be traded. “Looking for treasure” of some kind.

          1. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

            And? How is that different than my example of the colonization of the Americas?

    3. StackOfCoins   5 years ago

      There are numerous problems to living in space. One is gravity; no gravity is quite disruptive to normal function of organs and bones, not to mention the inherent difficulty of performing medicine in a zero gravity environment. It's also expensive; just look at what it takes to keep the ISS supplied. And that is a research vessel with disciplined crews working long hours. There's also the radiation concerns; micrometeorites; Reavers (someday). It just goes on and on.

      Eventually, yes, life in space is practically a necessity to accommodate unchecked future population growth. There are major benefits to living down a gravity well though, and Mars is pretty nice compared to most of the shitholes in the solar system.

      1. Sevo   5 years ago

        "Eventually, yes, life in space is practically a necessity to accommodate unchecked future population growth."

        Good thing we don't have that problem:
        "World’s population is projected to nearly stop growing by the end of the century"
        https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/17/worlds-population-is-projected-to-nearly-stop-growing-by-the-end-of-the-century/

        1. Nardz   5 years ago

          More models?

          1. Sevo   5 years ago

            More bullshit?
            You claim over-population? Terrific! Unfortunately, you are both full of shit and have no evidence.

            1. Nardz   5 years ago

              Wow, that's quite the jump there...

            2. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

              Wow, you even rage at Nardz, who is your Trump loving ally.

          2. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

            Wow, you even argue with Sevo. Kinda reminds me of Trump going off on Fox for not being loyal enough.

            1. Nardz   5 years ago

              Yawn

    4. Overt   5 years ago

      "Just for the record, I maintain that we don’t need to colonize the moon or Mars to colonize the stars."

      The first step in planning for space is understanding that gravity is debt.

      If you are going to build a colony capable of living in a (near or complete) vacuum, it probably means very little whether it is on Mars or on a near-earth meteor.

      Why would you spend a bunch of money getting a bunch of equipment out of earth's gravity well (paying off debt) only to kick it down Mars' gravity well- you paid off all this debt, just to take it back on again. If you are going to have a sustainable colony, it is going to have to support trade for some time. And the more gravity-debt you take on, the less economical any trade will be.

      This is why I don't really understand Musk's obsession with Mars. He could be getting humanity a self sustaining colony on water asteroids to produce fuel and on metal asteroids to essentially end all wants for iron for the next 50 years. What could he get off of Mars that is in any way more economical than what is floating near earth?

      1. StackOfCoins   5 years ago

        If you are going to have a sustainable colony, it is going to have to support trade for some time. And the more gravity-debt you take on, the less economical any trade will be.

        Best not to think about it in those terms. It's not like a bunch of settlers show up to Mars, plant a crop of tobacco and ship it back to Earth for a tidy profit. The initial settlement of Mars (which may take many years, perhaps decades) is going to be a money-losing venture. It is an INVESTMENT in a new kind of life on a different planet.

        It will be a long time, centuries, maybe longer, before a colonized Mars produces something it can trade with Earth. I doubt it will even be a material commodity. Probably something more like research science, or a cheaper launching method.

        The point of Mars for Musk is to make human life multi-planetary. He's always been up-front that the goal is spreading humanity to another planet, as a check against a planetary catastrophe. This is EXTREMELY long-term thinking; we've been living on a benign paradise for a long time, and it will probably be a long time before something really fucks it up. But it WILL happen, eventually. When it does we need an insurance policy, or humanity, the only sapient intelligence in the universe we know of, could be rendered extinct.

        Every Musk does, he does to make enough money that colonizing Mars is actually a possibility in his lifetime. It is a race against the clock.

        1. StackOfCoins   5 years ago

          Everything* Musk does

          I am sure I proof-read that.

  17. Case of the Mondays   5 years ago

    How sick are the democrats that they are now blaming rioting looting and burning in Minneapolis to "white supremacists".

    The evidence is clear, the data shows otherwise, the science doesn't correlate, but the left wing democrat prog socialist machine cannot stop blaming everyone else but themselves for their failures.

    They are the shitstain pecker tracks of the universe.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug   5 years ago

      I thought you Boogaloo types wanted a race war?

      GIT YER GUN OUT BRO!

      1. IceTrey   5 years ago

        No a civil war.

      2. R Mac   5 years ago

        You thought wrong you ignorant bigot.

    2. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

      Only people I’ve seen blaming white supremacists is a few random people on Twitter comments. Did Biden or any similar prominent Democrat make such a claim?

      1. lap83   5 years ago

        The mayor of Minneapolis for one

        1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

          Ah. Seems unlikely. From the photos I’ve seen online sure looks like the usual Antifa gang that shows up for riots. But I am not close to the riots, and don’t want to get any closer.

          1. lap83   5 years ago

            The important thing is the protesters who were on location during the riots obviously weren't responsible for the rioting. They would sing kumbaya and cry helplessly as Nazis in blackface appeared out of nowhere to make them all look bad.

            1. Nardz   5 years ago

              Everyone knows that the highest priority for white supremacists is what goes in in the dense urban centers of blue cities

  18. Sarah Palin's Buttplug   5 years ago

    I tell you what, Peanuts. I am disappointed in our white trash Boogaloo race war Trump fans. They are cowards in this race war. If they lined up every Fat Rush Limbaugh (King of the Rednecks) fan outside I-285 in Atlanta they could win the state of Georgia for the Confederacy in 48 hours!

    1. IceTrey   5 years ago

      Boogaloo boys don't want to secede.

      1. SQRLSY One   5 years ago

        Boogaloo boys vote for Trump!

        https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2020/05/28/george-floyd-minnesota-steve-almond Racism in America today…

        1. R Mac   5 years ago

          The intro to this idiots new book:
          “Like a lot of Americans, Steve Almond spent the weeks after the 2016 election lying awake, in a state of dread and bewilderment.”

          I’m gonna go ahead and slap a TDS diagnosis on him, as I laugh at his tears.

    2. R Mac   5 years ago

      I’m gonna ask nice again, please don’t call anyone “peanut”. It’s very creepy coming from a pedophile.

      Also, stop making shit up. It makes you look stupid.

  19. Rufus The Monocled   5 years ago

    This was cool to watch.

    I see this as a bit of a 'eat shit' to Obama.

    After all he killed the program.

    1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

      Wait, if Obama cut the Commercial Crew Program, how did today’s launch happen?

      1. Sevo   5 years ago

        "Wait, if Obama cut the Commercial Crew Program, how did today’s launch happen?"

        Wait, how stupid can you be?
        Oh, THAT Stupid.
        Fuck off and die.

        1. Elon Musk, Redux   5 years ago

          So, you don't have an answer to the question.

        2. SQRLSY One   5 years ago

          Sevo is on the rag again today, like usual!

          1. Mike Drop   5 years ago

            Notice how prevalent anger management issues are with Trump, and Trump’s fanboys.

    2. Overt   5 years ago

      Point of fact- Obama created the Commercial Launch program. He killed Bush's Orion Mars program.

      I don't like Obama at all. But doing the Commercial Launch program was a rare lucid moment in his presidency.

      1. Nemo Aequalis   5 years ago

        Meh. Obama was clearly not a fan of the space program. I suspect he saw Commercial Launch as largely a way to wash his hands of the matter (I don't recollect he was much of a fan of market solutions, either). It may have inadvertently helped, a little bit, but both Musk and Bezoes had founded their space companies over a decade before it was operative.

      2. Rhombus of Terror   5 years ago

        I love how everyone is glossing over the fact that the Obama Administration was PAYING THE RUSSIANS millions of dolloas, but many of the same people thought Russian trolls posting on Facebook was the end of democracy...

  20. kined21968   5 years ago

    I Make Money At H0me.Let’s start work offered by Google!!Yes,this is definitely the most financially rewarding Job I’ve had . YEr Last Monday I bought a great Lotus Elan after I been earning $9534 this-last/5 weeks and-a little over, $10k last month . . I started this four months/ago and immediately started to bring home minimum $97 per/hr

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  21. Commenter_XY   5 years ago

    So proud of our country getting back into space!

    Elon Musk is the greatest American since Einstein. This guy is amazing.

    1. Mike Drop   5 years ago

      He has accomplished some great stuff, but let’s not overlook that he’s also a whack job.

  22. eyeroller   5 years ago

    a useful example of how to successfully contract out government functions to private companies

    Same taxpayer dollars, different pockets.

    1. Don't look at me!   5 years ago

      Fewer tax dollars.

    2. soldiermedic76   5 years ago

      Contracting services is often cheaper. See private fire departments and ambulances for reference.

  23. Hyderabad Julie   5 years ago

    Elon Musk you made us Proud keep it up.
    https://bit.ly/3evdPRN

  24. Dillinger   5 years ago

    man that was fucking sweet I was in tears and clapping @my tv like an idiot. the first stage landing on a ship in the ocean was a mind-blower too

  25. Rob Misek   5 years ago

    Good time to leave earth.

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