Coronavirus

The Next Coronavirus Stimulus Bill Is Here. It's a $3 Trillion Spending Plan That Bails Out States and the Post Office.

The new bill includes another round of stimulus checks for all Americans, funds additional coronavirus testing, and spends billions to bail out states and government agencies straining under pension debt.

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Another stimulus bill could be on its way through Congress by the end of the week, as House Democrats on Tuesday announced plans for $3 trillion in new spending to combat the economic consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The new $3 trillion Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act (HEROES Act) would nearly double the $3.6 trillion in stimulus spending already approved by Congress since mid-March—and that's after Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) stripped out about $1 trillion in additional spending requested by various lawmakers, Politico reported. The new bill includes another round of stimulus checks for all Americans, funds additional coronavirus testing, and spends billions to bail out states and government agencies straining under pension debt and a collapse of tax revenue due to the coronavirus.

In its current form, it would surpass the $2.2 trillion Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Recovery Act (CARES Act), passed in late March, as the largest stimulus spending bill in U.S. history. The Treasury has already borrowed more than $3 trillion in just three months, and the new proposal will certainly add to that total.

The draft of the bill released Tuesday includes a $25 billion bailout for the cash-strapped U.S. Postal Service, which could lose as much as $13 billion this year and is on a fiscally unsustainable path.

The HEROES Act also contains $540 billion in aid for states and $375 billion for local governments. That's in addition to the $150 billion relief fund for states established by an earlier stimulus bill.

The bill also includes another round of stimulus checks for all Americans, with payments capped at $1,200 for individuals and another $1,200 per dependent, with a maximum of three dependents allowed. Those payments will be means-tested in a similar way as were earlier payments authorized by the CARES Act. The HEROES Act also incorporates a Democratic proposal to provide $100 billion in new funding to a Housing and Urban Development program offering assistance to renters.

The 1,800-page bill would also extend the boosted unemployment payments authorized by the CARES act through January 2021. Those extra $600 in weekly unemployment payments are meant to soften the blow for laid-off workers at a time when the unemployment rate has spiked to 14 percent and is likely to go higher. But the added unemployment payments are also likely to make reopening the economy more difficult, as workers may be hesitant to return to their jobs as long as the boosted benefits remain available.

The HEROES Act also includes some provisions that seem unrelated to the public health and economic crises unleashed by the pandemic, like a provision that would temporarily reinstate the state and local income tax deduction—known as the SALT deduction. That deduction, which primarily benefits wealthy people who live in states and localities with high taxes, was capped by the 2017 federal tax reform law. Restoring the deduction has been on Democratic to-do lists ever since.

The omnibus bill also includes a provision giving marijuana-based businesses greater access to banking. That's a worthwhile (and long-awaited) measure, but another thing that seems disconnected from the stated purpose of the HEROES Act.

In some ways, however, the HEROES Act is already looking like a return to some sense of normalcy in Congress—though "normal" is nothing too great when it comes to congressional spending. The bill has already drawn more opposition than the first three rounds of coronavirus stimulus, which passed quickly and with only token opposition, and is likely to be subject to significant negotiation and rewriting before it is passed.

The Postal Service bailout is one point of contention, with the White House and Republican lawmakers opposing a similar plan in earlier rounds of coronavirus stimulus. The timing of the new bill has also been questioned by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), who on Monday said Congress needed to give the previous stimulus spending more time to have an impact.

McConnell has also expressed worry over the mounting levels of debt. "We now have a debt the size of our economy," McConnell said Monday. "We have to take a pause here and take a look at what we've done."

Republicans have mostly abandoned fiscal conservatism since President Donald Trump took office, but the prospect of borrowing another $3 trillion right now might get those embers burning again.

Asked about McConnell's comments, Pelosi told MSNBC's Chris Hayes on Monday night that waiting was not an option.

"We have to put money in the pockets of the American people, recognizing the pain, the agony that they are feeling," she said. "To those who would suggest a pause, I'll say the hunger doesn't take a pause. The rent doesn't take a pause."

The passage of another major spending bill to respond to the economic crisis created by the pandemic seems almost inevitable. If not by the end of this week, then it will probably happen sometime in the near future. The failure of lawmakers to use the economic boom of the past decade to fix America's fiscal problems—the national debt, the Post Office, state pension systems, and so on—has never seemed more foolish.

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  1. Mother. Fuck.

    1. Close down the thread. This is really the only proper response.

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    2. Indeed. This should be enough to sink the ship.

      Food riots, after these messages.

  2. >HEROES Act
    >CARES Act
    I love how they come up with these silly names to justify ever increasing spending.

    1. Increase spending = firing up the printing presses. The feds are Nicolas Cage levels of broke and in debt….. and significantly more unhinged.

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    2. Attention citizens of Northeast Southweston, sign up for the Civilian Authority for the Protection of Everybody, Regardless.

      1. We need a

        Reassure
        All
        People’s
        Existence

        act

      2. CAPER?

    3. Now is it clear why states like CA, IL, and NY have been keeping up the shutdown long after it made any public health sense? The Feds would never agree to bail out all of their hideously bloated public pension systems without this virus, and all of the closed businesses, as an excuse.

      They burned down their house because they petulantly wanted a better one, and Daddy Sugar wasn’t going to buy a new one for them if they didn’t do it.

      1. You have to admire the sheer cynical evil genius in it.

        Feeling a kinship with the character of Ash, from Alien as I wrote that.

        Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility…
        …I admire its purity. A survivor…unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality. I can’t lie to you about your chances, but…you have my sympathies.

      2. The PTB in L.A. County are claiming that it’s still medically justified because there were about 500 new cases in the last week (not sure if that includes the outbreak that hit the crew of the USN Hospital Ship that was supposed to be taking care of the non-Covid patients while the local hospitals were worrying about maybe someday getting overwhelmed). For a county of 10Million+ where there’s talk of possibly furloughing hospital staff, including nurses and maybe even doctors, due to lack of patient loads and 500 ER patients might be an average 2-3 days for one or two of the local hospitals.

        What really surprises me is that Pelosi is keeping up the means testing on the “stimulus” checks. The total phase-out income level of $100k/year is at or near the local poverty line in her district (thanks in no small part to the local “progressive” governance amplifying the cost of anyone providing any kind of good or serice to anyone else regardless of how critical it might be).

        I can’t completely complain about the part where they’re looking to knock out the “SALT” tax deduction limit for a couple of years since I’m actually rich enough to have taken a minor hit from that particular policy; I just hope that she and her followers don’t then switch back to whinging about how the people who will really benefit from it aren’t paying their “fair share” in taxes when they get their deduction back.

        1. You really hope that? Haha.

    4. It’s honestly putrid at this point. Starts me thinking about names like the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.”

      1. >Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

        1. Exactly!

        2. Ministry of peace.

    5. Hey now! Coming up with bullshit pandering acronyms is hard work! They ran this by a highly paid focus group (or 3) to figure out what to call it.

      Give some credit, dude! Haha.

    6. I figure any law with a cute acronym has to be an abomination. So far I’ve rarely (never?) been disappointed with that rule of thumb.

    7. Cool names count. I remember when Hammer Strength weightlifting machines started showing up in gyms. Whenever anyone brought up which gym they attended, guys would always ask if they had Hammer Strength. It was ok equipment, but had a cool sounding name and was trendy.

      Like I always say, ‘people are stupid’.

  3. Same Horrible Incompetent Trash.

    SHIT act.

    Throw out anyone who votes for this steaming pile.

  4. Not the Bee:

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr6666
    H.R. 6666: COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

    1. Reading the abstract it looks like it’s funding for testing and tracing. On it’s surface there’s nothing ridiculous about. The devil will be in the details about privacy obviously.

      1. Privacy has been suspended due to the permanent emergence of the state state of emergency.

      2. The devil? Didn’t anyone notice the (real) HR number?

        1. Too subtle. But I at least did. Nice catch.

        2. The fourth 6 cancels out the first three.

        3. Revelations talks about plagues, and rumors of plagues, wars and rumors of wars. Of course that is any time period in history, though mass media makes this easier. Also, the anti-Christ could be taken as an allegory for the cult of personality. Not saying we are living in the end times, but after COVID-19 and the whole murder hornet thing and literal WWIII with Iran this winter… It definitely gives me pause.

          1. We’ve been living in the end times of god for awhile now. This quarantine, with any luck will be religion’s death knell.

  5. The passage of another major spending bill to respond to the economic crisis created by the pandemic governments seems almost inevitable.

    1. So you’re on the record as stating 1300-2000 Americans a day dying is cool with you?

      1. 2.8 million americans die every year.

        1. “2.8 million americans die every year.”

          Fake news. Before the China virus was brought here personally by Donald Trump, no Americans ever died. The population was over 345 bajillion, which is why you could never find a parking spot.

          1. Sir, your fake news is fake. Depending on the preferred political goggles, every day either thousands of school children and hill billies died from gun play and drugs, or thousands of brown people died from gun play and drugs.

            1. i thought millions died from the end of net neutrality or Trump’s tax cuts.

      2. Get a load of Cathy Newman over here.

      3. There is no reason to think that there would have been more deaths without the lockdown. The lockdown flattened the curve but does not reduce the area under the curve, I.e. the deaths. Policies that sent infected people into nursing homes likely raised the death toll by thousands – killer Cuomo.

        1. Don’t you dare bring math into an emotional curve.

        2. Exactly. One thing they don’t usually reflect on is that flattening the curve doesn’t significantly change the area under the curve. If there are 200k at-risk people who would almost certainly die if exposed at any time to COVID-19, then there’s still 200k likely to die, they’ll just be spread out over more time. Some number may be saved because of the flatter curve allowing for better utilization of hospital beds and ventilators. But unless some miracle treatment comes about very soon or a vaccine is created followed by a vast immunization program, those most-at-risk people *will* eventually be exposed and *will* die anyway, because the virus is out there and will now pretty much always be out there.

      4. 8000 die every day even without COVID.

        1. Wait, what? Why have I not heard this?!?!?

      5. So you’re on the record as stating 1300-2000 Americans a day dying is cool with you?

        So you’re on the record as stating that government killing 4000 Americans a day to save 2000 Americans is cool with you? Because that is what you are saying.

    2. Thank you. I’m tired of them blaming the virus for the economic damage caused by our response to the virus. If the virus were sentient, it would want us in crowded bars, kissing strangers, and licking doorknobs.

  6. Just say no.

    1. Under our Reassure All People’s Existence act, no means yes

      1. That’s the spirit!

      2. You were asking for it by wearing that.

  7. We’re at almost 2 years of tax revenue in stimulus.

    I assume this means I’ll be getting roughly what I paid in the past two years back, right? And not that the money is going largely to connected institutions, political groups, and cronies right?

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      1. Needs more HA

  8. The assholes let the camel/Donkeys get their noses under the tent of trillion dollar wastefulness and now they are trying to normalize the practice.

  9. So If I don’t get a stimulus which I probably won’t, not because I’m rich but because I’m still working to pay last years taxes, can I write it off of my taxes as a loss?

  10. Sweet! Gonna buy a new AR!

    1. It is much easier to kill yourself with a handgun, and you don’t have to worry about accidentally killing your neighbors.

      1. Sweet! Go buy one!

    2. Still not funny Squirrel.

      1. Says the Greatest Expert in the ENTIRE Local Galactic ClusterFuck, of ALL Proper Humor, EVERYWHERE!!!

        WHEN are you gonna amuse us with something that’s actually FUNNY, wise guy? Other than Yer Mamma supposedly NOT being fat?

          1. Egotistically moronic, and vastly moronically egotistic. EVERYONE EVERYWHERE is on the edge of their seats, waiting breathlessly for the Uber-Sacred Opinion of R-Mac, Master of Space, Time, Dimension, Stupid, and Humor!

            1. Also dumb.

            2. Lacks eloquence. Could have been written by a fetus! Maybe a blastocycst, or even a nematode…

              1. You’re going the wrong way.

              2. Yes, we all know that R Mac regards itself as the Master of the Universe! Ego knows no bounds! So WHY aren’t you writing Your Brilliant Thoughts down for Reason, for pay?

                Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

                So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…

                Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:

                Hi Fantastically Talented Author:

                Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.

                At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.

                Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .

                Thank You! -Reason Staff

                1. Fuck your sqrlsy. Fuck you and die.

                  1. See, THIS is the type of writing that Reason.com is DYING for! Get off of your arse, and send it to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com !!!!

                    1. Killing yourself would be a win for everyone, you included. Just do it.

    3. Is that code for “handle of Skol”

      Seriously though, with your drinking problems and mental instability lately, you should probably spend it on therapy.

      1. Fuck off Tulpa.

    4. No, but may invest in more heifers.

    5. Oh, you’re poor. Explains a lot. Like the immature anger. Thought that was just the alcoholism.

      1. Buying an AR makes someone poor?

        1. If they have to wait for a government check I order to afford it…

          1. Oh, I get it. Hey JesseAz, you try. Name something you have yet to purchase that costs around twelve hundred bucks that you might buy with a twelve hundred dollar check. Then I can call you poor for not buying it yet. Or do you mean only poor people will be getting a check?

  11. “We have to put money in the pockets of the American people, recognizing the pain, the agony that they are feeling,”

    When a politician puts his/her hand in your pocket, they’re not putting money in it.

    “To those who would suggest a pause, I’ll say the hunger doesn’t take a pause. The rent doesn’t take a pause.”

    The Cronyvirus never takes a pause.

    1. recognizing the pain, the agony that they are feeling

      Well, all that discomfort is certainly not from COVID-19. Most people don’t even know when they have it. Must be from Nancy Pelosi’s porn star-sized dick in their ass.

    2. We have to put money in the pockets of the American people
      We will do this by spending vasts sums of the people’s money, now, and ask that the people’s children pay it back later. This will enrich everyone… surely…

    3. Um, the only money that appears to be going into the pockets of the American people is another lousy $1,200. I mean, I’ll take it, but if we’re going to spend like this, maybe bypass the agencies and give directly to the people. (I know, I know – stop making sense.)

      This massive boost to unemployment benefits is making me hope I get laid off. I’d make more sitting at home than I do working. Moral hazard, anyone?

  12. What stimulus checks? I don’t know anyone who has gotten a check yet. And perhaps the $600 ought to be stopped whenever an employer reports that former employee has refused to return to work?

    1. Louisiana is trying to make this a law.

    2. You can lose your benefits if you refuse to go back to work. Employers have to get people back to work so they can get forgiveness for their pandemic “loans” so they have incentive to report them. The former part time employee who would normally make $200 a week doesn’t wants to give up $1,000 a week so they have incentive to try to work the system. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  13. Not related to a certain virus:
    1. spends billions to bail out states and government agencies straining under pension debt.
    2. temporarily reinstate the state and local income tax deduction.
    3. provision giving marijuana-based businesses greater access to banking.
    4. The Postal Service bailout.
    Etc.
    If the wicked witch of the west could sit on one of the prior bills a week, this could be evaluated for a month or more.

  14. Why stop at $3,000,000,000,000.00 dollars? Money is imaginary. Let’s just bump it up to $100,000,000,000,000.00 and save Congress the trouble of having to do this song and dance a couple hundreds more times.

    1. Wait until I convert all my cash into American Gold Eagles.

      1. Do it now, as it will be illegal soon. Every day we get a little closer in aligning reality of living in the U.S. to the end of Atlas Shrugged.

        1. I think with all these bailouts and talk of UBI we are getting closer to the UN in The Expanse series. Half the people working the other half on “Basic”.

      2. I always wonder about that gold fetish.
        If the currency does collapse, what good is gold?
        If you have 100 pounds of gold, and I have 100 pounds of food, do you think I would even consider trading any of my food for your useless gold?
        If you want to hunker down for the end times, buy MREs, not gold.

        1. If the currency does collapse, what good is gold?

          Gold is simply a form of money whose value can’t get inflated away. When the dollar collapses, people will still need money.

    2. totally this. just fucking end it.

    3. That’s only 100 trillion dollar coins.

  15. Extending unemployment benefits to January 2021? Holy shit. That’s . . . I just . . . sigh. It’s time to move. But where?

    1. Well, if you are afraid of the virus, China. Your surname isn’t Uighurish is it?

    2. Idk they’ve got FACTA. So fake ID and crypto is your only chance.

    3. The economy is going to collapse anyway so I’m going to play the game including the unemployment benefits that I wouldn’t be elegible for under normal circumstances and buy as many consumer goods as I can before it does because I don’t need the money for survival. Greed makes even libertarians do things we normally wouldn’t do.

    4. I feel you. Never in my life have I thought I’d want to become an expat until this debacle. Australia?

  16. Let’s be perfectly clear. The first part of this: spends billions to bail out states and government agencies straining under pension debt

    Has nothing to do with the second part of this: and a collapse of tax revenue due to the coronavirus.

    If you wanted to write a screenplay with the most plausible of conspiracy theories to explain current events, it would be that the state of California invented batcoof in a lab to bail out PERS. It could also be Illinois, they are certainly more corrupt if less indebted.

  17. McConnell has also expressed worry over the mounting levels of debt. “We now have a debt the size of our economy,” McConnell said Monday. “We have to take a pause here and take a look at what we’ve done.

    Ok great. He seems concerned about the debt

    Republicans have mostly abandoned fiscal conservatism

    But you just quoted…

    Also

    “Since Donald Trump took office”? TARP? Reagan? Come on man read a fucking book once.

    1. https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-budget-deficit-widened-to-1-935-trillion-in-12-months-through-april-11589306525?mod=hp_lista_pos3

      Trump and the GOP have been driving up the deficit for the last 3 years. This year’s deficit is a new record, so hats off to donald and mitch. Great job guys!

      1. And the Democrats just stated hold my beer. God, are you for real?

      2. Media Matters cut your hours during the lockdown? You’ve been coming here and lying a lot less lately.

        1. Lacks flavor. Lacks neurons. Needs more cowbell.

          1. Are you late in taking your meds?

            1. He needs to see his psychiatrist to get them adjusted but the coof has them behind on appointments. This is the scary part of “non-essential” healthcare being ignored.

              1. R Mac has been abusing our public and insurance money getting “therapy” from sources like the below, obviously!

                R Mac gets its “therapy” from the likes of “Chris Bathum”, see http://www.malibutimes.com/news/article_62b16ee4-2246-11e8-b456-1f240b332af0.html ,
                Malibu ‘Rehab Mogul’ Guilty on 31 Criminal Counts
                Christopher Bathum’s rap sheet includes a long list of charges, from fraud to forcible rape.
                Your tax and health-insurance money at work!!!

                1. Did that actually make sense to you? So one therapist is an asshat grifter so all of them must be? Wow, the twisting of logic it took to make that leap is amazing. Hope you didn’t break anything in the process. Also, kudos for stigmatizing people for getting help with mental illness when they need it. That takes a really enlightened soul. And yes R Mac did too. Are you happy now?

                  1. “…one therapist is an asshat grifter …”

                    Yes, among a boatload of asshat grifters! They only do their grifting because of insurance and Government Almighty meddling, to include licenses! Were it not for that, we’d be seeing a LOT fewer therapists, and they’d be doing a better job! We’d pick them because they do a good job, not because they have licenses!

            2. Freddy the Jerk is as original as a Xerox machine! Brilliant!

              1. This would be cutting if you ever posted anything original on your part.

                1. “as original as a Xerox machine” SQRLSY

                  No results found for “as original as a Xerox machine” SQRLSY.

                  The Google Which Knows All says that you fail! Try again!

                  1. Did that actually sounds clever in your mind? I pity you.

                    1. “Freddy the Jerk” “take your meds” “R Mac” “stupid” “dumb”
                      etc. … Sevo “fuck off”… turns up a bazillion times at Reason.com, for the one time that I posted “as original as a Xerox machine”… Not to mention the ten zillion incarnations of Tulpa. These “as original as a Xerox machine” numbskulls deserve your pity more than I do! Go pity them!

                    2. You copy and paste the same gobblygook day after say. Often multiple times in the same thread and you complain about others. When I point that out you made a stupid reply about Google it. So yes it is you I pity. You aren’t even self aware enough to realize you are just as repetitive as those (if not more) you are choosing to criticize.

                    3. Squirrelly would be so much happier if he offer himself. And so would we.

      3. Thank god the House has no say.

      4. Yes, Pelosi has worked tirelessly to strip out all the pork from these bills. Is that what you’re claiming?

        Always such a Pedo Jeffy.

  18. The 1,800-page bill

    Hell, no!

  19. and that’s after Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) stripped out about $1 trillion in additional spending requested by various lawmakers

    It makes me laugh to imagine her saying: “Because 4.6 trillion in additional spending seems excessive, that’s why!”

    Laughter is all we will have soon…

    1. Judging by the faces of the people in the photos from the Soviet Union, eventually that will go away too.

  20. Don’t fall for it Republicans. The Democrats are just trying to get their filthy paws deeper into the taxpayers’ pockets.

  21. 6.6 trillion total? That could be a $32,000 check to every single person 18 or older in the whole country

    1. Which would get you what exactly? We’ve largely outlawed the production of goods and services. What happens when demand massively exceeds supply again? I don’t remember.

      1. Look at your diary aisle or meat aisle for real world examples. And that isn’t even a breakdown in supply but in processing supply.

        1. It’s our retarded protectionist distribution regulations.

          1. Oh we just did it for safety and to help the little guy. Don’t look behind the curtain.

      2. More than them sending $32,000/person to their buddies.

  22. Yippy on top of a government created depression (is there really any other kind?) we also are going to add in hyperinflation.

    1. Don’t people understand when you print more money it devalues the currency and leads to inflation? Obviously not.

      1. The very worst part of it is, no matter what happens these assholes come out on top. They’ll just do what they did in 2008 and claim that if they hadn’t done it, it would be worse. Prove them wrong!

        1. They still state FDR’s New Deal ended the Depression when even his secretary of treasury in 1941 stated before Congress that it actually made things worse and lengthened the Depression.

          1. Not mention he stole his blueprints for the program from Germany and Italy…

            1. You must be mistaken. In high school, they told me that FDR and Jesus were basically the same person. FDR was better though because we speculate that he wouldn’t be a transphobe if he were alive today.

              1. >>no matter what happens these assholes come out on top

                this.

              2. There is something very wrong with someone when they say FDR was a great man when objectively he is the only U.S. President to date that thought concentrating the Japanese into camps was a stroke of genius.

                That’s essentially a German arguing that Hitler made some mistakes but did wonders for German industrial output.

                1. His treatment of African Americans was pretty deplorable too.

                  1. Yeah, but since that was basically the case across the board for decades I can’t blame FDR for that specifically.

                    If Donald Trump tried to confiscate just about all gold from everyone and replace it with valueless paper, I wonder what people would say today. Maybe something about massive overreach and something about the takings clause?

                    1. It appears the man FDR chose to make surgeon general was instrumental in getting the infamous Tuskagee syphilis trials started and that makes you question how much FDR knew about it. The trials started in 1936 and and continued until 1948. Dr. Parran initiated similar trials in Guatemala at the same time. The man FDR personally chose to be his surgeon general was responsible for one of the worse cases of medical malpractice ever in the US. It begs the question how much FDR knew about it.

                    2. His SG was not the lying piece of shit who claimed to all and sundry that as that tin-pot-dictator-wannabe was circling the drain, there was no reason for concern.
                      Truman was therefore left in the dark regarding *EVERY* aspect of the greatest war in human history.
                      FDR’s corpse should have been hung from the gallows, as should his personal doctor (not willing to look the name up this evening).
                      At the very least, he should have been convicted of criminal negligence; his crimes were manifold.

                    3. “…It begs the question how much FDR knew about it.”
                      Stupidity will suffice here; FDR was famous for turning over projects to some one with connections, smiling, waving the cigarette holder and delivering a bon mot.
                      Hey, it got him elected!

        2. 10’s of millions of jobs created or saved.

          Seriously they said that with a straight face.

  23. Christ, what assholes.

  24. Prediction: the $600 unemployment checks will become a new entitlement in perpetuity, because who wants to be the congress critter who attempts to end this VITAL PROGRAM…YOU CLEARLY WANT PEOPLE TO STARVE AND DIE YOU HEARTLESS MONSTER.

  25. The HEROES Act also includes some provisions that seem unrelated to the public health and economic crises unleashed by the pandemic, like a provision that would temporarily reinstate the state and local income tax deduction—known as the SALT deduction. That deduction, which primarily benefits wealthy people who live in states and localities with high taxes, was capped by the 2017 federal tax reform law. Restoring the deduction has been on Democratic to-do lists ever since.

    It seems unrelated Eric? Take the gloves off. It’s entirely fucking unrelated and this shit should be laughed at. I’m fucking disgusted by all this shit.


    1. That deduction, which primarily benefits wealthy people who live in states and localities with high taxes, was capped by the 2017 federal tax reform law. Restoring the deduction has been on Democratic to-do lists ever since.

      The irony is palpable when the party that wants to ‘stick it to the rich’ and ‘make them pay their fair share’ also want to give those same people insulation against their high local taxation.

      1. I don’t know what kind of mind-games Dems play, or if they care, or if they simply do not know. Regardless of intent, the Dems are a ridiculous bunch to pretend to be the party of the poor when Nancy Pelosi is one of the richest Congress critters to infest those halls. Even AOC, the freshman who had trouble finding an affordable apartment, will quickly be made fabulously rich by working in Congress.

        These people set their own pay. They hold it to a vote, and this makes it impartial. /sarc

      2. “primarily”???
        It is impossible for that provision to benefit anyone who is not very rich.

  26. Nancy Pelosi loves spending money because when it’s time for Amash, Trump and Biden to step into a ring together, you can be sure the MSM will be trying to pin the enormous debt on Trump alone.

    1. Why not, it worked on Obama. Sure, he shilled for those policies but it’s not like Congress had any blame in the matter…

      He was also reelected, so it’s probably a safe bet that no one actually gives a shit about debt or deficit.

  27. includes a $25 billion bailout for the cash-strapped U.S. Postal Service, which could lose as much as $13 billion this year and is on a fiscally unsustainable path.

    Emphasis added.

    And yet, somehow, it continues decade after decade.

    1. A shovel-ready job if ever there was on. Some New Years I will resolve to bag a year’s worth of junk mail just to weigh it at the year’s end.

      1. That junk mail is just about the only thing they handle these days, it seems. I’d gladly pay them not to deliver it.

        1. Best solution yet; deliver only first class mail on tuesday and thursday, deliver all other mail on wednesday.

    2. The saddest thing is that some on here think it is actually an insult to bring up privatizing the postal service. They act like the postal service has always been a federally ran department. This, however, isn’t exactly true. Until the 20th century, most post was delivered by private organizations that were contracted by the post masters. Rates were set by the postal service but it was to cover the cost of the contract alone. Even most post offices were in privately owned businesses, especially in more rural areas. This changed as progressivism took hold towards the end of the 19th century and early 20th century. Yes there was corruption in the awarding of contracts and appointing of post masters, but no more than we have in the payoffs to the federal employee unions.

    3. The post office has been in bad shape forever. The virus has nothing to do with it, but, sure, why not?

  28. Another three trillion, print the way is stimulus to about 82 million per Wuhan flu death.

  29. Republicans have mostly abandoned fiscal conservatism since President Donald Trump took office

    Excuse me, where have you been the last 50 years?

  30. FUBAR

  31. Both parties are an abomination on deficits.

  32. Hero in act? lol.. seriously.. even in this pandemic like this so politician still politician no matter what.. it’s the same after all for citizen..

  33. I can’t even make “Money printer go BRRRR” jokes anymore, can I? I hate this brave new world we live in where the jokes are all real.

    1. It was never a joke.

  34. Fuck you, Pelosi, with JFree’s dick.

  35. I’d love to see how many man hours go into figuring out catchy acronyms for congressional bills.

  36. Not to be a complete dick to the retard community, but sqrlsy is clearly autistic.

  37. The Dems look like Santa to the unsuspecting American public whether this bill passes or not. There isn’t enough principled people in this country to change the flow. The Dems will win the presidency and the Senate. I’m not a fan of many Trump policies and not a fan in general, but at least he’s trying to give the states more power. Whatever happened to the Free State Project?

  38. “The new $3 trillion Health and Economic Recovery Omnibus Emergency Solutions Act (HEROES Act)…”

    Wonder how much time and money it costs to come up with these acronym-ready bill titles?

    1. More time than they spend reading the bill.

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