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The Most Libertarian Congressman Wants To Send People Checks. Here's Why.

"Americans need fast, direct relief," says Justin Amash.

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Lawmakers on Tuesday continued to finalize a COVID-19 stimulus bill that will attempt to revive an economy that has been clobbered by the global pandemic. Rep. Justin Amash (I–Mich.), arguably the most libertarian member of Congress, released his own idea for an economic relief program. It consisted of just one thing: checks for all Americans.

The latest draft of the Senate stimulus bill does include one such payment, though it's means-tested and exempts those who pass certain income thresholds from qualifying. It also includes a slew of other complex provisions, including half a trillion dollars for corporate loan guarantees, along with loan guarantees for small businesses and expanded unemployment insurance.

"Provide $1,250 per adult and $500 per child for each of the next three months, unless the lockdowns end sooner," said Amash.

The means-tested method of doling out dollars has drawn criticism from both sides of the aisle. Although the final draft of the stimulus may resolve the debate, the recent GOP proposal would fund the checks via tax credits—"recovery rebates"—based on an individual's or family's 2018 tax return. 

"Relying on 2018 or 2019 income for a 2020 crisis is deeply misguided; many people who were doing fine are now in crisis," tweeted conservative writer David French of The Dispatch.

In the latest Senate version of the stimulus, those checks would not only phase out by income, but they would also phase in by income. Those who did not make enough to owe income tax would receive $600, and those who made less than $2,500 on his or her 2018 tax return would receive nothing at all. In other words, someone making $75,000 a year receives a check for $1,200, while someone who was a college student and without a job in 2018 wouldn't get anything—a condition that stumped both Republicans and Democrats.

There are reasonable objections to be made to sending checks to the wealthy—or to anyone unscathed by the current crisis. Amash noted that Congress could "consider recouping payments made to high-income households" at a later date. It's an idea that might appeal to those on the political left, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.), the self-proclaimed democratic socialist.

Amash also criticized the proposed $500 billion fund that the current stimulus bill would set aside for corporate loans, a program that Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin would oversee.

"Neither Congress nor the Treasury secretary should be picking winners and losers. Corporate welfare is not only unjust but also reflects government conceit," said Amash. "Only consumers, not politicians, can appropriately determine which companies deserve to succeed."

"The government can't know how to serve everyone's needs; that can be decided only by millions of people making individual choices," Amash argued. "The best way to serve everyone is for the government to allow the people to make decisions without interference to the greatest extent possible."

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  1. The Most Libertarian Congressman Wants To Send People Checks. Here’s Why.

    I wonder why this supposed “Most Libertarian Congressman” is not registered Libertarian?

    1. Out of loyalty to the Republican Party, of course.

      /sarc

    2. One reasons is that Amash said all politicians with a political party label do not represent the people – a new idea that came to him , no doubt, after deciding to become and independent.
      This would apply to those with a libertarian party label too.

      That Reason dares to call him the most libertarian is absurd without stating why Rand Paul was excluded.

      Billy Binion is a fascist pig that supports coercive monopolies on the grounds they can be limited – — limited coercion is what that fascist believes.
      Freedom of association and the free market is what he opposes.

      1. That Reason dares to call him the most libertarian is absurd without stating why Rand Paul was excluded.

        He’s demonstrated his libertarian bona-fides for years, many times covered in this very publication. He’s easily the most libertarian Senator and one of just a handful of real libertarians in Congress.

        Rand Paul is not his father; he gets more press being the son of his father, a true radical and champion of liberty. Rand Paul is a cog in the Republican party; sometimes he causes trouble for the hawks, which is commendable but hardly enough with the state of affairs we’re in.

        1. “many times covered in this very publication”

          He’s covered here because;
          a) he’s a rabid NeverTrumper and
          b) chequebook journalism.

          “and one of just a handful of real libertarians liberals in Congress”

          Fixed that for you. Libertarians don’t redistribute wealth.

          1. Libertarians don’t buy the conservative plutocratic argument that currently wealth is justly distributed, so any redistribution must be unjust. But that’s beside the point.

            Cutting relief checks directly to each citizen is more libertarian than piling on administrative costs by filtering funds through a corrupt and inefficient federal welfare bureacracy or demanding inequitable and intrusive means-testing where said unelected bureacrats get to decide which individuals and businesses are worthy of aid. Stimulus is on its way regardless.

            1. Since when was libertarianism Keynesian?

              1. So libertarians are against welfare, except for corporate welfare?

              2. Despite what Neo-Austrians will tell you, no school of economics has a lock on libertarianism. You don’t have to reject everything Keynes ever said to be a faithful libertarian, but in case you hadn’t noticed, Trump is actually pushing for these bailouts. Amash is objecting to the way it’s being done, favoring corporations over individuals.

          2. Trump wants to redistribute wealth, even more so than Amash. I guess he’s a liberal too, idiot.

            Get over the fact Amash is NeverTrump, you triggered snowfag.

            1. Get over the fact Amash is nothing but an political opportunist who’ll vote for gulags if it gets him favorable publicity, you coprophagic catamite.

              1. You are sure obsessed with shit eating. You’re Trump’s catamite.

        2. Amash is a congressman, not a senator.

      2. Congressman usually denotes a House member, so that would exclude Senators.

        1. Senators are Congressmen though. As you say, Representatives are generally called Congressmen and Senators are called Senators.

      3. Perhaps one reason Rand Paul was excluded is that he openly denies he’s a libertarian. Amash embraces the label.

      4. Amash and Rand are both great, ideologically speaking. Amash hasn’t whored himself out to Trump, though.

    3. He’s only libertarian when he’s cutting Binion his PR check.

      1. Yet you probably think Trump is libertarian. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! He’s not even CONSERVATIVE.

        1. “you think Trump is libertarian”
          Yes.

          “He’s not even CONSERVATIVE”
          Right.

          Somehow PedoJeff finally understood something.

          1. Trump is not libertarian, you idiot,

    4. Amash is not a libertarian apparently.

      1. No!

        My shock is palpable.

        1. So screw Amash for supporting welfare in this one extreme case, but Trump is great for wanting to bail out corporations? Lol. Trumpkins hold Trump to a much lower standard than they hold everybody else.

      2. On this matter yes, Amash is libertarian, but generally he’s not.

        In the big picture, Amash is for destroying the liberty and prosperity of Americans generally, and those he nominally represents in particular, through globalist immigration and trade policy.

        1. Sure, because reeeaaal libertarians are nationalists, protectionists, and Trump royalists, er, loyalists.

        2. Protectionism is anti-liberty, you fucking retard. Moreover, it doesn’t fucking work. Protectionist “libertarians” are a laugh.

    5. Libertarians have generally been in favor of direct cash transfers over apparatchiks deciding who deserves what. See Milton Friedman and Charles Murray for details. Even Republicans like Jack Kemp would point out the horrible distorting effects of means testing, the more convoluted the testing the more horrible the distortion.

      But Billy, being 12 years old, can only fangirl for this year’s Globalist pseudo libertarian hero.

      At least Amash is right on this one, but it’s hardly like he’s alone on this.

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    7. Because the Libertarian Party is a joke, moron.

  2. I think it’s funny that unreason is scared to write “The Most Libertarian Politician” because that would probably be President Trump.

    1. Yes, it’s great how he vetoes all those big spending bills.

      1. The guy vote no on a bunch of bad House Bills.

        While I applaud that, Amash ruined most good will by agreeing to side with lunatics to Impeach Trump.

        Remember folks, Democrats and their Propagandists here at unreason were all in with the Impeachment during the time when COVID19 was getting out of the Commies grip in China.

        Trump should mention this every hour on the hour until the election.

        1. Every argument has two sides. Why not blame Trump for his part in stretching out the impeachment by not pleading guilty and resigning?

          1. Hahahahahah, bingo!

        2. Why do you do this to yourself?

        3. Poor unreason, you know they are mad when they send in the sock trolls.

          1. The only troll is you, idiot. You are trolling this website.

          2. Trump libertarian? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you’re stupid.

    2. Is that before or after he put a bunch of poor people looking for work in concentration camps?

      1. Concentration camps is your fetish. With illegal immigrants, they’re just jails,

        1. Its not even a jail when the non-American can just say I self deport.

      2. Tip: if you can say “I want to go home now ” and they’ll let you do it, it’s not a concentration camp.

      3. Any illegal migrant can leave immigration detention if they like… just not onto US soil.

        Calling immigration detention “concentration camps” is a reprehensible lie.

        1. Lefties have to deflect of Americans will be reminded over and over that FDR (A Democrat) actually did put Japanese-Americans in camps.

          “Internment Camps”. Political prisons. Gulags….

          1. I agree with you. For once.

    3. That’s pretty funny. Have you forgotten when Trump hired Jeff Sessions to be his attorney general? The guy that believed in mandatory minimum sentencing for drug users and civil asset forfeiture? Yeah, very libertarian. Also, you couldn’t have possibly forgotten about Trump’s billion dollar wall. Also very libertarian.

      1. Libertarians are very law and order, there just needs to be less laws overall.

        Border security is very Libertarian since property rights and national security are important fundamentals.

        1. Right, so according the libertarian par excellence in chief, if I want to invite an illegal immigrant onto my property, I should be able… oh, wait.

          I’m sure the former law-and-order DOJ Secretary wants only essential laws left on the books, like those criminally prohibiting marijuana cultivation and consumption.

        2. I am against illegal immigration, but the wall is a waste of money that is already failing where it’s been implemented.

      2. LC is a noted moron and Trump apologist. Any time he mentions Trump you can safely assume it’s word salad and hot air.

        1. Poor unreason. They send in sock trolls and start the motor on old sock trolls just to deflect how correct I am.

          Jesse Walker likes to use “word salad” to deflect from his shitty articles and failing career.

          1. Nah he’s right. You give Trump a metaphorical blow job every time you mention him. No criticism of any of his many unlibertarian acts.

    4. By the way… are you really this dumb to not notice the tonal difference between this article and the previous ones? They call Amash the most libertarian for fucks sake. You really are a blind and biased moron.

      Reason is an editorial blog. They dont do pure factual reporting. They had every opportunity previous to offer straight, no commentary responses to the other cash giveaways. But here the tone is different. But you are really too fucking dumb to notice. It is amazing.

      In order of a libertarian perspective, tax cuts or payroll tax holidays are the most prescriptive to the ideology due to the fact it is simply people keeping more of their own money. Next up would be short term coverage loans. Last would be direct cash give always. Reason had negative reporting on both of the first 2 fixes, yet a “neutral” description of the last (neutral of you ignore the descriptors describing Amash). It even covers David Fench advocating for not using tax returns to decide on who is eligible, yet ignores the cap of income on the measure. This is not a libertarian stance. You would know this if you were actually a libertarian, but you’re not.

      That is not to say the policy isnt prescriptive, merely it is one of the least libertarian ways to deal with the issue.

      Do you understand dummy?

      1. Moving to sqrsly, where it was meant for.

        1. No Prob. I don’t even waste letters on SQRSLY but have fun.

      2. French is advocating not using *last year’s * income to determine payments. Simple enough to tax it back from people who make a lot of money this year when they pay their taxes next year.

      3. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures.

      4. Reason is an editorial blog.

        Yes. Sadly, they are not a libertarian blog, despite what they write on their banner.

    5. Your “most libertarian politician” hero Trump is pitching a $6 trillion dollar bailout.

      1. To save the economy from traitor media types who propagandized hysterical lies.

        We will take it out of property owned by the traitors via eminent domain.

        1. Why doesn’t he just make Mexico pay for it?

          It doesn’t matter why he’s proposing it. It’s certainly not a libertarian position that Trump is taking.

          1. Mexicans are paying for the border wall, so that’s good.

            Tiny and limited government is Libertarian. Financial stabilization after traitors used media propaganda to try to destroy the US economy might be a proper limited use of federal funds to defend ourselves from treachery.

            If its welfare, then that is not very Libertarian. Good thing Trump is the best President in US History and Libertarian-ish.

            1. “Mexicans are paying for the border wall, so that’s good.”

              Are you sure you’re not a troll?

              1. He’s a troll and a moron.

            2. Mexico is not paying for the wall, troll. The economy is bad because of the Coronavirus and Trump’s piss poor response, not “traitors.” What Trump is proposing is welfare, and he is not even close to being the best president. Even Clinton was better.

        2. You’re such a laughable Trump sycophant, hateconstitution. Debt is good as long as it is Trump debt.

    6. Trump is not even close to being a libertarian, moron. He is protectionist, a deficit spender, pro-torture, and now is for price controls during an emergency. Just stop it. You are fooling nobody except Trumpidiots. Amash is far more libertarian than Trump.

  3. “Americans need fast, direct relief”

    You mean Alka-Seltzer?

    1. Plop plop….fizz fizz…oh what a relief it is.

    2. Immodium?

  4. Poll: What would you buy with $1200?

    I’d buy an AR10.

    1. I suppose that comment is a bit callous. I’m not in any danger of losing a paycheck, so for me a check is a bonus.

      Now that I think about it, if this does go through, and I have neighbors who aren’t getting a paycheck, I might make some large dinners. Give them one less thing to worry about.

      Or I might buy a gun.

      hmmmmmmmmmm

      1. Seriously guys. Make dinner for your strapped neighbors so you don’t have to shoot them when they crawl through your window.

        1. My total bill for 3 mos. would come out to $8100.

          For that amount of money, we could get every member of the family a new rifle or handgun and ammo and food for the neighbors and still have money left over for the boat rental.

          1. I don’t know what that has to do with anything. Seriously. I don’t know what you mean.

          2. “…still have money left over for the boat rental.”

            See what you have done there, I have.

        2. Might mail them restaurant gift cards that way you won’t have to look at the poor people and you can put the dishwashing serfs to work.

          1. Restaurant gift cards are worthless if the restaurant goes out of business. They need money now, but they will also need money then.

            I patronized my local House of Pizza today, after driving past Dominos, because, well, you get it.

            Eat out if you can afford it. Keep people employed.

          2. Send them coupons for products at the grocery store.

            Spend the money on wine, women, and weed.

            1. Wine, women, and song, is really classy!

              Beer, the old lady, and TV is utterly low-brow!

              So I sure hope that my tax money (and inflation onto my savings, impacts) will fund the wine, women, and song, and NOT (Government Almighty forbid!) the beer, the old lady, and TV!!!

              Don’t EVEN get me started on the sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll… Long-haired hippies need NOT apply for bennies!!!!

    2. I’m tearing up my check.

      I think I will mail the scraps to some staff member at unreason.

      1. Please do that.

      2. Mail it to me, you fucking right-wing fruit loop.

        1. Why are you here, and not making your afternoon biscuit soggy with your fellow travelers at Mother Jones?

        2. Shove it up your ass you fucking faggot.

        3. Only if you use it for a mortgage payment.

        4. AmSoc, whats your address?

      3. How’s about cashing in the check, and using the coin to help your neighbors?

        1. Yes, donate it to Trump 2020 buy or print yard signs and plant them all over.

        2. Its welfare. No thanks.

          1. Sometimes you need to let your principles slide.

            1. Is that what happened to you?

              1. unreason clearly believes that motto.

                Or maybe they never had principles. They sure care about certain principals a bunch.

      4. What check? They have an income cap.

        1. Oh yeah? I havent been following the propaganda by the media.

    3. Do you already have an AR-15? Or other 5.56 rifle? If not, why not, and why .308? Though I guess you can run 6.5 Creed through it.

      1. Why? Because it’s badass! That’s why! That’s why I’ve got Ruger Security Six with a 2.75 in barrel! Why? It’s badass!

    4. “I’d buy an AR10” — and use it to rob a bank… Then when they arrest you you can tell the press and jury. “I didn’t do anything worse than what the politicians do all the time – so I don’t know why they aren’t in prison.”

  5. “The latest draft of the stimulus bill does include one such payment, though it’s means-tested and exempts those who pass certain income thresholds from qualifying. It also includes a slew of other complex provisions, including half a trillion dollars for corporate loan guarantees, along with loan guarantees for small businesses and expanded unemployment insurance.”

    President Trump’s package, where people were exempted from payroll taxes through December of 2020, was vastly superior because not only did it let consumers keep what they earn without creating a moral hazard to go on unemployment and not work, it also created more of an incentive for employers to keep workers working without needing to match their taxes themselves–as employer’s are also required to pay payroll taxes.

    And, yes, if you create or extend new unemployment benefits, you will create a moral hazard situation in which people will not go out and look for a job so long as they can depend on unemployment insurance.

    I would prefer there were no loan guarantees. Plenty of lenders would agree to better terms or refinance business loans so as to keep those borrowers solvent and to avoid having toxic assets on their balance sheets. Knowing that so many businesses have access to federal financing, they are much less likely to come to terms on refinancing those loans, not when they can help a borrower with the paperwork to make sure they get government financing in lieu of renegotiating the terms of the loan. That being said, loan guarantees are vastly superior to grants–and no money whatsoever should be sent to the states if it can be avoided.

    If they can put stipulations on access to loan guarantees that no funds made available as part of this package can be used for stock buybacks by private corporations, then they can also add a stipulation that no part of this package should be used by states to pay pension obligations. The purpose of this bailout isn’t to make otherwise low margin companies rich through stock buybacks–and it isn’t to finance the outrageous pension obligations silly states like California pay their bureaucrats either.

    1. “…President Trump’s package, where people were exempted from payroll taxes through December of 2020, was vastly superior because not only did it let consumers keep what they earn without creating a moral hazard to go on unemployment and not work, it also created more of an incentive for employers to keep workers working without needing to match their taxes themselves–as employer’s are also required to pay payroll taxes…”

      Further, it requires no government bureaucracy for approval or disbursement.

      1. We might even say that slashing payroll taxes is something we should do coronavirus or no coronavirus, and the whole purpose of Democrats appears to be stop their opponents from slashing the size and scope of the government so that working Americans can keep more of their paychecks.

        I mean, if working American start keeping more of their paychecks at the expense of the size and scope of government, then the American people might start thinking they don’t need us for anything. And obviously we can’t have that because . . .

        Look, a squirrel!

        1. It really depends, Ken, on whether reducing payroll taxes was proposed by Barack Obama. I remember predictions of the dollar being worthless and Greek anarchists run amok in America when he did it, but not now.

        2. Good thing we have Ken for his passive aggressive violence. He made excuses for corporate welfare, but checks……oh no!!!!!

          Hopefully, Reason doesn’t say anything about racism, it will make him mad.

          Hey Ken, deadbeats in your closet, lmao!!!!!

        3. lol… Excellent… Pegging the DNC’s party ideology right on the top of the head and done in a humorous way. +1000000

    2. “President Trump’s package, where people were exempted from payroll taxes through December of 2020, was vastly superior because not only did it let consumers keep what they earn without creating a moral hazard to go on unemployment and not work”

      There’s no moral hazard is you just send out checks to everyone.

      1. But that’s not what they are doing. On top of that, only about 20% of the population will have to pay for this additional debt.

        1. I’d make a small wager on the idea that only 20% of the population actually goes to work and supports themselves anymore… 🙂

          One of the awesome side-effects of the socialism-disease.

      2. Nobody wants to see President Trump’s package. Lol.

    3. The purpose of this bailout isn’t to make otherwise low margin companies rich through stock buybacks–and it isn’t to finance the outrageous pension obligations silly states like California pay their bureaucrats either.

      Indeed. But how does this bailout help unemployed people pay the bills if they receive no assistance? Being exempted from a tax means nothing if you have no income to tax.

      There is one thing government can do here, and that is direct cash assistance. Means-testing is difficult because we are already weeks into the crisis. People will need help to avoid becoming destitute.

      This could have all been avoided, of course, if the government had decided not to implode the economy. But here we are, in a mess of the government’s making, and now government must step up and prevent millions from dropping into poverty.

      1. HAHA. No mention of the media’s hysteria mongering in help trying to nuke the US economy.

        1. Poor unreason sock trolls just cannot get their Narratives out without criticisms anymore.

      2. “But how does this bailout help unemployed people pay the bills”

        My question is; how did they pay the bills before if they were/are unemployed??? If COVID-19 is the very reason for unemployment then why cannot they just take out a LOAN??? After all — are they responsible for themselves or not?

        I know a million in a half people who are compulsively broke. They own the newest houses, the nicest cars, eat out every day, throw away money like it’s nobodies business… And cry fowl every-time their new car blows a tire.

        That is not the level of responsibility that is sustainable.

  6. Did Congress send out checks for some Stimulus bullshit back in 2009? I don’t think I got one but if I did I donated it to veteran’s groups.

    1. You should be proud. Dear Leader also pretended like he donated money to a veteran’s group.

      1. Its public record.

    2. You got a reduction of $800 on your taxes, imbecile. Jesus Christ, Trumpians are dumb.

      1. What did you do spend it on crack and hookers, you fucking fraud

      2. Poor amsoc. I got more than $800 off my taxes.

        Unreason sock trolls are so stupid.

      3. Not Stealing does not = giving, imbecile. Jesus Christ, Socialists are dumb.

  7. I’ll give Amash the benefit of the doubt that he’s well earned by thinking that he knows that his colleagues are going to idiotically pass some form of stimulus and Amash is advocating for the least bad politically salable option.

    I’d vote for creative destruction, but I don’t need to try to get reelected. I’d also like to see Amash get reelected, as an almost sole voice against the equally statist horrors of the socialists and nationalists; thus giving him this pass is easy.

    1. This reads like Amash’s publicist wrote this… or maybe his mom.

    2. It’s least bad, but still BAD.

  8. If this is the plan of Justin Amash, I wonder why they consider him the “most libertarian Congressman.” Maybe they think Libertarianism is the same thing as being a Never-Trump Republican.

    This is a bad proposal, and it seems to come from the “Do SOMETHING” mentality of central planners.

  9. As a Koch / Reason libertarian, I only want the government to hand out checks if undocumented immigrants get them too.

    #ImmigrationAboveAll

    1. You piker. Why not just print up a check for everyone? As a Libertarian, I want EVERYONE to get a check … it’s only fair. I’m thinking primarily of the Vietnamese people, the Egyptians and the Russians, …. the Indians, Norwegians, Czechs, and Serbs … . . . .

      1. Fire up the printing presses! I think it’d be really uplifting to get all, fresh, new, crisp one dollar bills …. boxes full of cash. What fun! What balderdash!

      2. You get a check! And you get a check! And you get a check!

      3. The Shikha columns write themselves:
        How Genuine Open Borders Must Mean a Big Check for Everyone on the Planet
        True social justice libertarianism cannot mean free money only for Americans

        1. You beat OBL on this one.

    2. Have you ever considered not being a racist cunt?

      1. Have you?

        I mean, OBL is just faking being a racist cunt, but you’re the real deal.

      2. When a goosestepping fascist like Tony calls you a racist, you know… it’s rhetorical.

  10. Last week any and all government solutions was destroying the debt including temporary loans and payroll reduction. But now Amash says giving out free cash is fine and Reason agrees? Okay then. The facade was pretty worn anyways.

    1. A person with unbending conviction is really, really hard to find. Keep looking.

      1. It is the fact they bent their conviction solely for the fact that Amash proposed it.

        1. This is a thing called “factual reporting” here, Jesse. It is not an editorial. Reason.com reports facts and so-and-so said this, and so-and-so said that. Please point out to us here, with a quote (not voices in your head) where Reason.com, above, agrees with, or disagrees with, any stance taken by anyone that they quote.

          They did NOT quote JesseSPAZ, the Eminent Constitutional Scholar who says that the Trumptatorship can commit no wrong? That’s your REAL beef, isn’t it?

          1. You are worthless. Reminder of the day.

          2. Try 2.

            By the way… are you really this dumb to not notice the tonal difference between this article and the previous ones? They call Amash the most libertarian for fucks sake. You really are a blind and biased moron.

            Reason is an editorial blog. They dont do pure factual reporting. They had every opportunity previous to offer straight, no commentary responses to the other cash giveaways. But here the tone is different. But you are really too fucking dumb to notice. It is amazing.

            In order of a libertarian perspective, tax cuts or payroll tax holidays are the most prescriptive to the ideology due to the fact it is simply people keeping more of their own money. Next up would be short term coverage loans. Last would be direct cash give always. Reason had negative reporting on both of the first 2 fixes, yet a “neutral” description of the last (neutral of you ignore the descriptors describing Amash). It even covers David Fench advocating for not using tax returns to decide on who is eligible, yet ignores the cap of income on the measure. This is not a libertarian stance. You would know this if you were actually a libertarian, but you’re not.

            That is not to say the policy isnt prescriptive, merely it is one of the least libertarian ways to deal with the issue.

            Do you understand dummy?

            1. I’m still waiting for you to quote words from above where Reason.com says “this we agree with” or “this we do not agree with”. It isn’t there!

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          3. Reason.com reports facts and so-and-so said this, and so-and-so said that

            What the hell Sqrls. Even you’ve pointed out times where they flat out lied here before.
            Half the time their only sources is shit they saw on their twitter feed.

            In the last week an entire column (3/24) of Boehm’s was based on horseshit, as was a column (3/22) of Young’s.

  11. Lawmakers on Tuesday continued to finalize a COVID-19 stimulus bill

    , as the American people endeavored to persevere.

  12. Because nobody in either party cares what he thinks, because he’s a man without a party, and because he’s running for office and has jack shit to campaign on ever since he backstabbed and pandered his way into irrelevance?

    I hope the post office he renamed was worth it, because that will the sum total of his accomplishments in his political career. He basically got paid a six figure salary by taxpayers to occupy space while doing nothing to arrest the growth of government or increase individual freedoms.

    1. Don’t forget his vote for impeachment!

      1. Trump committed impeachable offenses.

    2. Accomplishing nothing is still better than what Trump has accomplished in terms of how much he has added to the national debt and his pathetic response to a pandemic. If every Republican followed the Constitution like Amash, then Amash would have enough leverage to get things done.

    3. Amash didn’t backstab anyone. Trump broke the law. If Obama had done the exact same things Trump did, Republicans would have impeached him. Plus Trump committed ten counts of obstruction as named in the Mueller Report.

    4. What did Trump do to arrest the growth of government? Oh yeah, he made a deal with the Dems over the objection of Republicans to increase the deficit. What has Trump done for individual freedom? I hear crickets chirping. And Trump is PRESIDENT, not just one congressman out of 435. Sit down.

  13. You people are still here?

    Let’s get this straight. Everyone, including all Republicans because their re-election depends on it, agrees that we need to pass one of the most socialist pieces of legislation in the history of the country, to deal with this novel problem that, again, everyone agrees the private market is inadequate to handle.

    Let’s add Soylent Greening of the elderly just for good measure.

    Why are libertarians, even?

    1. Tony and amsoc return at the same time. Strange….

      1. The closet door opened

      2. Vince Smith showed up too.
        It’s a one man reunion.

        1. I’m not Tony. Tony is a liberal. I am a libertarian who doesn’t like Trump.

          1. Sorry Neutral Jeff, between sodomists and pedophiles it’s hard telling you deviants apart.

            1. My name isn’t Jeff.

    2. everyone agrees the private market is inadequate to handle.

      Did you see the Stossel piece? Government actively prevented the private market from handling this. People in the private market lined up to ask “Mother may I?” to government bureaucrats while people died. Government needs to get out of the way and let the private market handle this.

    3. The free market is unable to handle it because the government shut down the free market.

      1. Just the bits where people congregate and spread diseases.

  14. Memo to MI: Feel free to unceremoniously dump Amash 11/2020.

    1. Do you think they have anybody better waiting for his seat?

    2. You already outed yourself as a libtard. Nobody cares what you think.

  15. Sending out checks is a giant wealth transfer from future generations to the current generation. Justin may be supporting this out of political expediency… it’s certainly better than the cronyist proposals on the table. It wouldn’t be so bad of an idea if we didn’t already have trillion dollar deficits, and instead agreed to send out checks now and raise taxes in the future to pay for it. But we won’t.

    It may sound crass in a time of crisis, but we have unemployment insurance programs; why do we need to bail out everyone? I’d be more in favor of allowing employers to temporarily lay off workers and have the federal government insure the unemployed through some expanded disaster-relief unemployment. Essentially letting the Fed Gov pick up missed paychecks for a short, defined period of time. I don’t need a bailout. I’m still getting a paycheck. Give the money to those that have actually been impacted.

    I still think we would have been MUCH better off to be completely upfront about the risks as early as possible and then let people with high risk decide to self-quarantine, while not shutting down major parts of the economy. Hopefully history will provide an accurate quantification of the effects of the centrally planned response.

    1. It is and you’re right. There is no denying it. However, whatever they spend now is nothing compared to what they have promised over the next 80 years. Some future Congress will be tasked with handling the debt by reducing government payments and inflating the currency. While at the same time dealing with crippling interest payments and likely default. The die was cast a long time ago. It is clear that no political party can take this task on, and no Congress has the wherewithal to do it and stand tall. So spend away.

      1. Also sitting around with our thumbs up our asses while a global pandemic destroys economies isn’t cost-free.

        You guys always seem to forget about that part.

        1. “while a global pandemic destroys economies”

          Seems to me it’s government ineptitude that’s destroying economies rather than the virus.

          1. You mean Trump’s ineptitude?

  16. The best way to serve everyone is for the government to allow the people to make decisions without interference to the greatest extent possible.

    If only.

    And I take issue with government allowing me to make decisions for myself.

  17. Supposedly, this latest draft of Mr. Creosote’s stimulus package is up to 6 trillion. 2 trillion in spending, 4 in QE.

    6. Trillion.

    Going back to work has to be better than this. Fuck it, maybe the Sanders fans have a point?

    1. Some perspective… $6T is about 30% of 2018 GDP. The economy has been reeling for about 2 weeks, or about 4% of a year. Even if you assumed all economic activity was shuttered, that bailout is almost 10x what it should be.

  18. So there are no libertarians in Congress then. Probably haven’t been any since Ron Paul retired.

    The best thing the federal government can do right now is make all the state governors lift their tremble in place orders and get people back to work so they don’t (and their companies) don’t need bailouts. People at risk should have enough sense to avoid crowds.

    New York is finally starting to test a lot of people and guess what? The death rate is falling closer to 0.8%, like it was in Korea with lots of testing and on a cruise ship with everyone enclosed.

    1. The best thing the federal government can do right now is make all the state governors lift their tremble in place orders and get people back to work so they don’t (and their companies) don’t need bailouts.
      All things being equal that would be better. But the government created another crisis in the middle of this one with all the top-down mandates. Now people are out of work and hundreds of thousands of jobs have disappeared or been put on indefinite hold. Most people don’t save enough money to pay for 2-3 months of unemployment.

      The government should stop panicking, police states like California need to lift their quarantines. People who are at-risk should stay at home. This would have been adequate 2 months ago.

      1. People who stay at home can be infected by family members who don’t stay at home.

      2. Trump should have done something two months ago.

    2. Lifting those orders will cause the infection rate to skyrocket. There is a libertarian argument for mandating staying in place. There is no RIGHT to infect other people. I trust doctors, not morons. Letting old people die is NOT okay.

  19. There is indeed a libertarian argument for welfare in this crisis since the government has forcibly shut down businesses, costing them and, by extension, everybody else money. Amash likely supports giving the people money instead of corporations because demand is what fuels the economy.

    1. No, no, no, no, no, you Keynsian! Demand does not fuel the economy! The production and accumulation of real things is what fuels it.

      1. Was Keynes wrong about everything? I think Amash’s point is also that the government is picking winners and losers by deciding what businesses to bail out. Just giving each individual a check seems fairer. It will cause massive debt, but what are you going to do about it? This is a once-in-a-lifetime kind of crisis. It would have been nice had the government done something about the deficits before all of this.

    2. Demand without supply fuels inflation.

  20. Where do people think the $2 trillion is to come from? Well from the taxpayer of course; that and all of use who own the debased dollars that the printing of new ones creates. So what possible good can be achieved by taking money from us and then giving it back to (a different) us? All it will do is distort market signals and slow any recovery. And from a moral standpoint, when the country is so vitally short of test kits and other medical supplies, how can anyone support using precious tax dollars (they are precious!) for anything other than the direct purchase of said items!? It’s beyond my comprehension!

    1. “Where do people think the $2 trillion is to come from? Well from the taxpayer of course”

      From the banking system creating it out of thin air. Our currency is fiat. The federal government does not “spend” taxpayer dollars. It essentially annihilates that revenue to make room for the same value to be spent back into the economy, preventing inflation.

  21. The Most Libertarian Congressman Wants To Send People Checks. Here’s Why.

    Then why are you talking about Amash?

    Why not just speak to Massie, the most libertarian congressman?

    1. Massie embarrassed himself when he denied anthropogenic climate change in an exchange with John Kerry.

      1. It’s truly amazing what billions of ads can do as far as getting the massive sheeple to buy into the ECO-SCAM.

        “What you mean you opened your front door in January and it’s still just as cold as it was in the 60s!!!! The earth is melting – haven’t you heard? You climate change denier!!”, Oh right.. Sorry; I guess the climate does change as it has been since the very beginning.

        1. “It’s cold today. So much for global warming” is a fatuous statement.

          1. You’d think that would be enough to void out any speckle of logical “fears” after 80-years!!! of observation.

            But if that’s not enough – don’t forget every single (yes, every last single model/prediction) released by the eco-scam gang has proven through time to be completely false/unreliable.

            If that’s still not enough – a little historical research to find out that most cooling happened during WWII when engine pollution was being dumped out on the planet like nobodies business and that the most warming happened during the Great Depression when all the factories were shut down.

            If that’s not enough – nothing will be because there’s 3 legitimate facts of information that flies directly in the face of the eco-scam claims. You’re not supporting science AT-ALL your supporting a cultish religion which has absolutely no bearing in reality.

            1. Cite your source.

              1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#/media/File:Five_Myr_Climate_Change.png

                Hey look!!! New propaganda shows the climate has actually been “cooling”!!!

                Time to bring back the “Global Cooling” scare of the 70’s and scream and holler about the next ice age being right around the corner if we don’t let the federal government empower their dictation addiction.

  22. That’s roughly like saying:

    The Most Libertarian Concentration Camp Guard Wants To Kill Some People. Here’s Why.

    1. He’s still way more libertarian than Trump.

  23. the most libertarian member of Congress would have suggested giving the entire two tril back to the people

  24. Trump should have listened to the WHO back in January. We should have testing for everyone by now. His response has been terrible. And now he wants to reopen the economy, which will no doubt cause mass deaths, in defiance of medical experts. Lol. Are a million deaths okay?

    1. “We should have testing for everyone by now.” — Yes, yes we should; so exactly WHY haven’t you started manufacturing COVID-19 over-the-counter testing units yet and becoming a “greedy” rich millionaire??? Heck, there just might be a few left around here looking for a real solution and might even love you for it and reward your much-needed efforts instead of insist on your imminent public hanging.

      Well, what did Trump do? He cut oppressive regulation! The very oppressive regulation that forbids/hampers over the counter COVID-19 testers from existing. Maybe there existence is harder to make than assumed or maybe the FDA/CDC are still oppressing their existence (Trump could do more than he’s already done) but exactly how you blame Trump still remains a mystery.

      Or maybe you’re a power-crazed [WE] foundation authoritarian that thinks everyone should be dictated by your unicorn utopia ideas. Which actually doesn’t even make a lot of sense to begin with since most of the population seems to WANT TO KNOW if they’ve contracted the virus by their own free will so long as they don’t have to sell the farm to do it due to the FDA/CDC monopoly.

  25. Trump is hoarding medical supplies and won’t give them to states unless their governors kiss his ass. That’s not leadership.

    1. Well who the heck gave Trump ALL those medical supplies to begin with? The [WE] foundation mob? I’m just not seeing the Constitutional phrase demanding the taking of all gold to the “leadership” emperor.

      And frankly it wasn’t Trump who created the “leadership” empire – it was the [WE] foundation mob (i.e. Democratic Platform) that Trump has mostly been trying to be-rid us of.

  26. Protectionist morons support tariffs on medical supplies which result in shortages in crises like this one. Lol.

    1. Are you under some delusion that China is just going to send us stuff for free? How is Trump going to pay for all those medical supplies without Tariffs or Taxes?

      Oh, oh wait – I know. Maybe it’s not even Trumps responsibility to baby the entire population to begin with by buying us all a pony when we need one but instead his job is to negotiate treaties that are fair.

  27. Dan Patrick: Old people should die to keep the economy afloat.

    1. Or maybe old people shouldn’t believe they’re instinctively entitled to a new RV, endless vacations, a yacht and a yearly salary bigger than the struggling-poor younger people they’re sucking it off of unless of course it’s their own earnings to begin with.

      Believing childhood (dependency) doesn’t end until a post-graduate indoctrination degree of 28-years old is received and old-age incompetency begins at 60-years old for everyone thus ONLY allowing 30-years of adult responsibility throughout sometimes a 100-year life is lazy lunacy to begin with.

      1. I.E. When did society start thinking that 66% of a persons life should be spent sucking off the government teat?

        1. I didn’t suggest that, just that spreading COVID-19 to the elderly is not justified by economic gains.

  28. “The Most Libertarian Congressman”

    Justin Amash is no more libertarian than Billy Binion.

    The most libertarian Congressman is Thomas Massie of KY. Binion is too much of coward to say so, because he would lose in connections to anti-libertarians in Congress.

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