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The Corruptions of Talking Like Trump

By copying his language, interesting thinkers run the risk of dumbing themselves and America down.

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"This committee is not a court, nor is it a jury," Sen. Howard Baker (R–Tenn.) informed millions of television viewers on May 17, 1973.

It was opening day of the Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities (the latter three words of which would soon be condensed to just "Watergate"), and Baker, the ranking committee member from President Richard Nixon's Republican Party, was there both to reassure Americans about the sobriety of the investigation and to suggest that the exercise of bipartisan congressional oversight might even reinvigorate the country's political and constitutional norms.

"I intend to pursue, as I know each member of this committee intends to pursue, an objective and even-handed but thorough, complete, and energetic inquiry into the facts," Baker declared. "The very fact that we are now involved in the public process of cleaning our own house, before the eyes of the world, is a mark of the greatest strength….Watergate may prove to be a great national opportunity to revitalize the political process."

What a different planet that political process is 46 years later. Baker's contemporary analog in the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump—ranking House Intelligence Committee Republican Rep. Devin Nunes (R–Calif.)—marked the November 13 inauguration of those hearings not in the high-minded language of objectivity but the insult-comic vocabulary of the investigation's target: "In a July open hearing of this committee following publication of the Mueller Report, the Democrats engaged in a last-ditch effort to convince the American people that President Trump is a Russian agent," Nunes began. "That hearing was the pitiful finale of a three-year-long operation by the Democrats, the corrupt media, and partisan bureaucrats to overturn the results of the 2016 presidential election. After the spectacular implosion of their Russia hoax on July 24, in which they spent years denouncing any Republican who ever shook hands with a Russian, on July 25, they turned on a dime and now claimed the real malfeasance is Republicans dealing with Ukraine."

Italics throughout this article are mine, to emphasize a growing trend as the 45th president nears the end of his first term: Four years after he engineered an occasionally hostile takeover of the GOP, Trump is finding his once-atypical words on the lips of more and more elected Republicans.

"Speaker Nancy Pelosi is trying to impeach him," an incredulous Sen. John Kennedy (R–La.) shouted to a chorus of boos at a "Keep America Great" rally for Louisiana gubernatorial candidate Eddie Rispone on November 6, Trump grinning right behind him. "I don't mean any disrespect, but it must suck to be that dumb!" (Rispone 10 days later lost to Democratic incumbent Gov. John Bel Edwards by nearly three percentage points.)

At another Trump-headlined rally three days prior to Kennedy's outburst, this time in support of then–Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin (who would also go on to lose), one Republican speaker began his remarks by saying, "President Trump has great courage. He faces down the fake media every day. But Congress needs to step up and have equal courage to defend the president."

That elected official—to the dismay, if not quite the surprise, of many libertarians—was Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.). Paul, who has been a leading constitutional conservative in the Senate since his arrival on Capitol Hill in 2011, did not during his own first term exert nearly as much energy exhorting the legislative branch to defend the executive. Of course, back then the White House was run by a Democrat, one who was much less likely than Trump to invite Paul for a round of golf or a confab on foreign policy.

Elected libertarian-leaners have produced a variety of reactions to the president's erratic and ideology-bending ways. Paul's longtime ally Rep. Justin Amash (I–Mich.) left the GOP on July 4, shortly after concluding that the House should launch impeachment proceedings against Trump. Amash's good friend Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.), on the other hand, calls impeachment a "witch hunt" and blames it on "Trump Derangement Syndrome."

Paul's mimicry of the man who repeatedly called him "truly weird" in 2015–16 is probably the price of staying in those Mar-a-Lago golf foursomes with the likes of uber-hawk Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.), and I for one am glad that he has the president's ear. Graham, meanwhile, has engineered a vocabulary overhaul of his own: The man who once characterized Trump as a "race-baiting xenophobic religious bigot" and "the world's biggest jackass" can now be relied upon to double down on even the president's most incendiary language, such as when Trump called impeachment a "lynching" in October. "This is a lynching, in every sense," Graham said. "This is un-American."

Politicians respond to incentives as well as to their own sense of how best to create the policy changes they seek. So it's not surprising to see ideologically disparate Republican senators from Republican-voting states defending an embattled president who is persistently popular among Republicans.

But there are two major pitfalls to that approach. The first and least interesting is what happened to Matt Bevin and Eddie Rispone, and before them to such red-state candidates as Kansas gubernatorial nominee Kris Kobach and South Carolina House candidate (and Mark Sanford slayer) Katie Arrington: After going all-in on Trumpism, each lost elections in formerly safe political spaces.

Such losses are not uncommon during a president's first term, including Barack Obama's. What is rare is the extent to which Trump's iconoclastic style, let alone his substance, has taken over his host party. The president's style of insult comedy used to be uncommon in mainstream U.S. politics. Today, Republicans are trying out the same zingers, mocking the same out-groups, and echoing the same counterarguments, no matter how slippery or far-fetched.

Therein lies a real danger of corruption, first of word and thought, later of deeds. When Trump backers peddled the constitutionally illiterate notion that the Sixth Amendment right to face one's accuser during a criminal trial meant that the president should be able to confront a government whistleblower during the inquiry portion of the impeachment hearings, Paul went all in, drawing bipartisan jeers from libertarian and anti-libertarian legal analysts alike. "As a constitutional lawyer," wrote the generally Trump-friendly Andy McCarthy at National Review, "Rand Paul makes a good medical doctor."

Trump's jokes are frequently funny, but they often depend on collective negative generalizations and logic that wouldn't pass muster in a middle school debate class. By copying his language, interesting thinkers run the risk of dumbing themselves and America down.

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  1. This reads like the ‘Two Minutes of Hate’. Par for the course at Unreason.

    Maligning supporters is now a favored tactic of the Left. It is one thing to criticize and go after public figures. They put themselves out there. I get that.

    It is quite another to malign and denigrate his supporters. I don’t get that.

    1. unreason and Matt Welch are not as smart as they think they are.

      They call Trump dumb but Trump beats them at every game they want to play. You know what they call people who people who are not smarter than “dumb” people?

      1. You’re both not very smart. It happens. Maybe you’re good at something else.

        1. One thing that I am 100% sure of is that new unreason sock trolls are not as smart as me.

          Maybe you’re good at something else.

        2. Faggot, ALL of us are smarter than you. Albeit that isn’t setting the bar very high.

          1. The writer makes a pretty good point, but fails (mysteriously) to note that Trump’s Presidential opponent used the same type of verbage. Clinton used every opportunity to denigrate the nature of the opposition with condescending language. Admittedly, two wrongs don’t make a right, but his failure to mention that Trump was “fighting fire with fire” seems a little strange.

            1. It’s expected from most of the writers here anymore. Sadly. It’s funny, I support a Trump, because he has mostly been a good president so far. But I understand and acknowledge he’s far from perfect. I also never had a problem admitting when people like Obama and The Hag are correct, or that they have good attributes.

              TDS precludes any logical analysis.

      2. Yup, and Matt Welch is second only to Suderman for prevarication here. The hypocrisy of lying in an article about people lying doesn’t even phase guys like this. It’s astonishing really. Perhaps it’s a psychosis?

        1. “Perhaps it’s a psychosis?”

          No. It’s media. It’s in the job description.

          The right is becoming more live and let live these days and after growing up in the 80’s I never thought I’d see that. True, they’re more “live, but don’t make me do that”, but it’s a massive improvement and it’s not “live and you live like this too” like the left is doing.

      3. We will not fall victim to your “–reason” talking points! You’re dumb!

      4. “You know what they call people who people who are not smarter than “dumb” people?”

        loveconstitution1789

        1. JesseSpaz
          January.26.2020 at 4:30 pm

          “You know what they call people who people who are not smarter than “dumb” people?”

          loveconstitution1789

          Sockpuppet, is there a reason you quoted and attributed LC1789’s post without adding anything?

          Or was this a sad attempt to be ‘clever’?

    2. See, the “deplorables” crack from Hillary. It’s been a favored tactic in the States for awhile now. Part of the coarsening and polarization of our discourse.

      You are bad for not hating Trump, and you should be treated badly.

      1. Right. ‘Cause Trump never engages in any tactics like that, Gay_Jay.

        1. Take your meds, Mary.

    3. “Trump is finding his once-atypical words on the lips of more and more elected Republicans.”

      #OrangeManBad because Republicans agree with him.

      Reason’s fornication with the muh moral preening #NeoClowns now has them parroting their tone policing. “Orange Man uses coarse language! #OrangeManBad!”

  2. How many articles have I read in this rag pooh-poohing criticisms of our coarsening culture?

    Well, you finally got your wish. Now, fuck off.

    1. ^He’s right you know.

    2. Yes, Trump does seem t be the culmination of many things Reason’s editorial voice had supported (a politician’s personal life be a non issue, bad language, politician from outside the major party establishment) and it did not turn out the way they wanted it to.

      1. Trump does seem to be the culmination of many things Reason’s editorial voice had supported (a politician’s personal life be a non issue, bad language, politician from outside the major party establishment…

        …friendly to the gays, close family to a Moslem, deregulator in actual practice, pro-science, anti-neocon, relaxed trigger finger, straight talker)

        and it did not turn out the way they wanted it to.

        Funny how these things work out, ain’t it?

    3. Be careful of what you wish for, you might just get it.

    4. What Welchie Boy and the rest of his liberal media brethren really want is a return to a one-directional firing squad where they can say whatever they want about anyone they don’t like, and nobody ever fires back at them.

      Unfortunately for him and his ilk (but thankfully for all the rest of us), those days are never ever coming back again.

      1. Working towards a circular firing squad?

        1. It is the Libertarian Way.

      1. Hi sqrsly.

        This is the second time I’ve so gotten in your head you created a sock. Pathetic.

  3. When Reason (and everybody else) purges themselves of SJW-speak, I might see the value in an article like this.

    Or would that be too “problematic”?

    1. Reason supports subversive speech so long as it is subversive in the prescribed and accepted manner of subversion.

      1. Apparently bourgeoisie attitudes and bien pensant orthodoxy is hip and revolutionary with the Reason writer cocktail party crowd.

      2. P.J. O’Rourke is about as far as they’ll go, and then only by repudiating the early National Lampoon version. Camille Paglia maybe also, just barely. William Burroughs, Robert Anton Wilson, just to point and gawk at them.

        1. Paglia is a step too far for them – she denies the transgendered’s lived experience.

    2. To be sure.

  4. Government run market based solutions are lies.

    “While there is never perfect competition, market-based solutions tend not to hold consumers captive, create monopolies by shutting down interstate and international commerce, force companies to sell a state-approved ideological menu of goods and services, or sue nuns who aren’t interested in buying those goods. They definitely don’t artificially spike the price of an otherwise affordable commodity in an effort to control consumer behavior.”

    1. “While there is never perfect competition, market-based solutions tend not to hold consumers captive, create monopolies by shutting down interstate and international commerce, force companies to sell a state-approved ideological menu of goods and services, or sue nuns who aren’t interested in buying those goods. They definitely don’t artificially spike the price of an otherwise affordable commodity in an effort to control consumer behavior.”

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      I think one of the best developments in the last decade has been watching all of the market zealot tropes fall to fucking pieces as a corporate oligopoly in banking, finance, technology and media subsumes all of the evil roles market zealots have ascribed exclusively to government. Pissing your pants about the big bad federales and then spreading your asscheeks for a couple dozen multibillionaires that own the government and for whom the entire federal government is constructed would be hilarious if it wasn’t so fucking sad.

      1. RFK, I see that bullet to your brain has done some damage.

        1. But not to his logic. Damage to his syntax, most certainly.

      2. “I think one of the best developments in the last decade has been watching all of the market zealot tropes fall to fucking pieces as a corporate oligopoly in banking, finance, technology and media subsumes all of the evil roles market zealots have ascribed exclusively to government.”

        Bullshit.

  5. Welch’s comparison of Trump’s impeachment to Nixon’s is not well founded. He was only a kid and he only knows what was written is some history book, so we have to cut Matt some slack. But even a casual student of history must know that Nixons case had two very different features. 1. The accusation of suborning perjury and paying off witnesses is a very serious crime. 2. The tapes, and only the tapes, sealed the case and made it unambiguous that Nixon had done what he was accused of.

    The Trump case is different on both counts. The so-called crime is merely typical discussion with foreign leaders trying to get them to do something useful to us – the country, not just Trump. And there is no evidence – NONE – that is anything more than supposition and projection and rumor. All the principals involved say it never happened, most notably the Ukrainian Prez and Sondland.

    Thus, Matt Welch has committed journalistic treason to the facts. He is guilty and should be removed from Propagandist at Large of Reason.

    1. He is just as bad as most of the writers here. Unfortunately, logic isn’t a common trait for them lately. Orange man bad drives just about every article.
      I found it especially interesting that he skipped Clinton’s impeachment and went straight to Nixon. Clinton’s has more parallels in that at best the accusations are process crimes and general shittiness. However, in sliming Republicans and Trump if he used the comparison to Clinton he would be stuck pointing out the Democrat’s hypocrisy.

      1. “Orange man bad drives just about every article.”

        Look at yesterday’s article for a glaring example. Reason admits by the end they want no federal regulations but spent 8 paragraphs bashing trumps decision to rescind some of the regulations.

        It would have been easy to write a “nice first step” article, but they basically used it to attack trump instead.

        1. This country needs to be cleansed of the progressive infection.

          FFS, we can’t even have Apu anymore because of these goddamn woke pieces of shit.

    2. La la la! Sticking my fingers in my ears so I don’t hear any evidence!

  6. Hahaha! Now Moron Matty Welch has tears running down his fat stupid ugly face just because he’s getting his fat stupid ugly stinky butt handed to him in this debate over whether our noble and honorable Greatest President of All Time Donald J Trump is better than the poopy-heads in the DemonRat Party like Crooked Hillary, Shifty Schiff, Jerky Jerry Nadler, Slow Joe, and even BlockInsane YoMamma. Moron Matty can’t win the debate on its merits so he has to resort to name-calling and ad hominem attacks against Our Lord and Savior. What an idiotic moron! Lolololololololololoholololololololololololollololololololollololololololololololo!!!

    1. An EXCELLENT rendition of Tulpa! Is the NEW Tulpa now named Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., by the way? See further above…

      (OMG… It just dawned on me… Is Tulpa actually the pen name of Donald J. Trump!?!?!?)

      1. Another retard comment from Squirrelly.

        1. Shitlord. That’s so not retarded.

      2. The work of another child journalist.

    2. A+ effort, but they won’t recognize themselves.

      1. Yeah. Strawmen dont actually exist.

            1. LOL. Tears in my eyes!

  7. The socialist democrats have made it clear they want to destroy the entire economy by robbing the rich and shutting down whole industries, oil,coal, insurance,plastics. Add in the damage to the stock market and loss of personal freedoms and I see them as the real threat.

    1. If they speak well, though, we can view them as interesting thinkers.

    2. They will throw you in gulags in the USA.

      See Japanese-American internment.

      1. Wasn’t that some Republican-Nazi-Russian propaganda?

        1. Jurek [Sanders field organizer for Iowa] said the candidate’s “free education” policies will “teach you how not to be a f*cking Nazi.” He touted post-war Germany spending money to “re-educate” people not to be a “f*cking Nazi.” Jurek also said that people should “expect violent reaction” for speech, and warned that “Milwaukee will burn” if Sanders does not get the nomination. Milwaukee is the location of the 2020 Democratic National Convention.

    3. Republicans, on the other hand, are God’s libertarian warriors!

  8. Reason bemoaning “Muh coarsening culture?” WOW — Trump really broke y’all too.

    Amazing …

  9. After going all-in on Trumpism, each lost elections in formerly safe political spaces.

    Matt Welch doesnt post much on here, so I had no idea that he was that dumb.

    Lack of full quotes for Rand Paul statements to put what he says in context and claims that election losses are solely because of Trump.

    Those are bold unsupported claims. TDS works like that though.

    You know how easy it is to pick out Lefty dum-dums is that when the situation is reversed they say nothing. If Trump’s endorsements lead to election wins…crickets. If some Republican or Libertarian non-lawyer cites constitutional law that is correct…crickets.

    Poor unreason staff. The fact that you don’t see how far you’ve fallen is just sad.

    1. TDS LOL. Not like Trump is ever deranged.

  10. On May 17, 1973, we still had large numbers of grown-up, sober-minded politicians, who put the welfare of the nation ahead of their own political party, and sometimes even above their own noble selves.

    Now we have a bunch of school-yard spoiled brats, calling each other poopy-heads, and putting their parties (schoolyard gang affiliations) FAR-FAR above the good of the nation! Each party SUPREMELY prizes making the OTHER party cry!

    This, then, is where we are headed:

    Late 2020: National debt = 120% of GNP. Donald Trump easily wins re-election by promising a large budget for a new Department of Disputing Elizabeth Warren’s Native American Ancestry, and for Making the Liberals Cry.

    2024: National debt = 130% of GNP. Elizabeth Warren is elected POTUS; She promised a large budget for a new Department for Making the GOP-tards Cry. Elon Musk’s projects are fabulously successful, and Americans are emigrating en masse to Mars. Given the choice of either continuing to pay hideously large fees to the USA IRS, or renouncing America citizenship, the Martians pay $15,000 each to renounce America citizenship, but even the millions of Martian-American exit fees are like micro-farts in a hurricane… They make no difference in the national debt!

    2028: National debt = 150% of GNP. New POTUS Bernie Sanders wins by promising free health care and PhD educations for everyone who can spell the word “free”, plus, a free pony for everyone under 15 years of age. Some USA states are getting ready to split off of the USA, and renounce their “fair” share of the USA debt. Hispanic illegal humans are scrambling for the exits back south, as most employable Americans seek black-market low-wage jobs to escape exorbitant taxes.

    2032: National debt = 230% of GNP. All states have split off of the USA, leaving behind only Washington, DC, with the entire national debt. DC promptly declares bankruptcy. All states with nuclear-weapons bases, having very well learned from Ukraine having given up its share of USSR nukes, and getting invaded by Russia later on, have kept their own nukes.

    2036: Montana and Wyoming unite, feeling a patriotic urge to restore the united USA towards its former fully Glory Days. In a quest for military glory, they have a full-scale nuclear exchange with California. The USA’s needs have now been met: Both the liberals AND the conservatives are forced to cry!

    1. Moron.

      1. Says the one whose brains are utterly empty of EVERYTHING, except crude insults! Project much?

    2. Great story line, SQRLSY One. I like your creativity, but we in Montana will not go to war with California. Half our population has family there and we can always use the summer tourism business. I may move to Wyoming, however, where they have a more severe disdain for outsiders. Long Live Buffalo Bill Cody and Sheriff Walt Longmire!

  11. Read this.

    “Mother Jones reporter Stephanie Mencimer has produced a good read on the “End Times” evangelicals who support Donald Trump because they believe, truly and sincerely, that Donald Trump will bring about the end of the world and they are extremely looking forward to that. It’s worth the read.

    To be fair, a great many of us are convinced at this point that Donald Trump will bring about the end of the world. Fewer of us are pleased about this, but there has always, and we can underline that always, been a contingent of Christianity not too interested in the peace-and-love nonsense but extremely invested in the idea that God himself is going to come down and murder their neighbors outright while they, the Chosen Ones, sit back in heavenly recliners and laugh as they watch it all unfold. But there’s a divide here, and one worth pointing out.

    The “Left Behind” base may truly believe that the End of the World is Nigh. Preachers have been screaming that one since before there was a word for “preaching,” and the market for it has been high in every culture and on every continent. In the United States the “End Times” movement has been confidently predicting the end of the world was at hand for our entire lifetimes. For as long as post-WWII Israel has existed, a subset of American “evangelicals” (cough) has been giddy over the prospect of the Middle East finally once and for all getting absolutely leveled by war because that means, they believe, Jesus would be coming to kick some non-evangelical ass.

    “They don’t necessarily want violence, but they’re eager for Christ to return and they think that this war with Iran and Israel has to happen for their larger hope to pass,” a religious historian tells Mencimer. That’s being very, very charitable: It doesn’t take long to find, on the internets, American religious zealots who absolutely want violence, and are looking forward to the violence, and are so excited over the bloody cleansing of the not-them that they are forever circulating photoshops of nuclear bombs and Jesus flying in on a heavenly hovercraft and the rest. They want it. They need it.

    But that’s not quite the crowd that Trump is surrounding himself with, as he hoovers up far-far-right evangelical leaders and poses for laying-of-hands-on meetings with the class of God-lovers who own their own “church” jets. Trump does not give a flying damn about evangelicalism, or the End of the World, or be able to tell you the difference between Gog, Magog, and eggnog, but he does understand grifters, con artists, tax cheats, and transactionalism.

    If the crookedest, most dishonest supposed “preachers” in America want to shake his hand and sing his praises to rooms of the, quite literally, most gullible people in America, by God he is up for as much of that as they can fling his way.

    So there’s a disparity here. To be sure, other Republican leaders have given at least lip service to End Times “theology,” as practiced by people with books to sell and whose sermons come with 1-800 numbers to most efficiently separate out who is getting into heaven and who is a dirty filthy pagan. Some Republicans may genuine believe it, the far larger majority is playing to a crowd. But Trump neither knows the details of evangelical schisms nor gives a flying carob-coated damn; as a malignant narcissist, Trump requires only praise and attention, and is willing to dispense out only whatever best gets him that praise and attention.

    He’s surrounded himself with End Times grifters because End Times grifters are the people who are most eager to sell themselves to him. He’ll listen to anyone about bombing anything if the requester has something to offer him.”

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1913622

    1. Get your Gog and Magog out of my eggnog! Heathen!

      Thanks, that was a good read! I have known these end-times freaks once or twice… They are bat-shit crazy, infected with MASSIVE overdoses of self-congratulations! But they will also snap and snarl at each other, over questions of what color of sandals Jesus wore on the 45th day before His Resurrection!

      1. You got peanut butter on my chocolate!

    2. Sorry to leave you hanging like that…

      ‘1) Those who believe that Jesus wore newborn-lamb-poop-yellow colored sandals, get both Raptured AND Ruptured!

      ‘2) Those who believe that Jesus wore NEW wine-skin colored sandals, get Raptured but not Ruptured!

      ‘3) Those who believe that Jesus wore OLD wine-skin colored sandals, get Ruptured but not Raptured!

      ‘4) Those who believe that Jesus wore rainbow-colored sandals, get neither Ruptured nor Raptured! They get Left Behind!

      Glad I could help! You’re welcome!

      1. If you knew you could get away with it SQRLSY, would you kill an “Evangelical”? Bet you would.

        And hey, A_leftist. Quoting Mother Jones on your “Xtian” adversaries is like quoting the Der Stürmer on Jews, or Izvestia on the Kulaks. They aren’t exactly subtle with their hate-mongering.

        1. All of the “Evangelicals” that I have ever known, have already Left my Behind, and, I am actually PROUD to say (in pubic no less!), I have flushed ALL of them away! But I didn’t “kill” any of them… Their bacterial loads were left to fester, living at least a wee tad longer, and be dealt with by various sewage and septic systems.

          And that’s no shit, Sherlock!

          1. None of your jokes are funny, but when you try too hard like this they’re even worse.

            1. He claims to have been a military officer at one point.

              He is lying.

              1. You’re lying. Worse yet, you claim psychic mind-reading powers, reading the minds (truths or lies) of humans 99.9% unknown to you, via the internet… HOW do your psychic powers WORK? Do they flow through USB wires, to USB keyboards only? Do I need to go to wireless keyboards, or older-style keyboards, to escape your psychic powers? Or do you use triangular aluminum-foil hats?

                I knew a lady once, she modelled a tin-foil hat for us, and told us, “This is my anti-matter hat… It fends off, for me, that which does not matter!”

                I am considering that technique, for fending off your stupid, which does NOT matter at ALL!!!

                1. Psychic? No. I just have twenty times your brainpower.

              2. Maybe he was part of some military experiment?

                1. If so, it was a huge failure.

          2. Wow, you try way too hard Sqrlsy and you still haven’t answered my question.
            Would you kill people for being “evangelical” if you could get away with it? I think you’re an unhinged sociopath, so I’m guessing yes.

            1. No, I would not! But y’all are gonna believe what you want to believe, Shitsy-style, regardless of what I write. So believe whatever you want to believe… It’s what you’re gonna do anyway. Closed minds are not open! Wow! What a tautology! But true and sad, it is…

    3. You had me at “Mother Jones.”

      1. Had me at the handle; leftists are good at killing people, not much else.

    4. The irony of athiests purporting to understand evangelicals is as retarded as basically anything g sqrsly writes.

    5. I stopped at “mother jones reporter” – – – –

  12. “That hearing was the pitiful finale of a three-year-long operation by the Democrats, the corrupt media, and partisan bureaucrats to overturn the results of the 2016 presidential election. After the spectacular implosion of their Russia hoax on July 24, in which they spent years denouncing any Republican who ever shook hands with a Russian, on July 25, they turned on a dime and now claimed the real malfeasance is Republicans dealing with Ukraine.”

    —-Rep. Devin Nunes (as quoted by Welch)

    This is simply a statement of fact citing the single most important factor in the Trump impeachment–scandal fatigue. The press (as exemplified by Reason posts I’ll link below) and the left have been crying “wolf” for four years now, and if Nunes hadn’t cited scandal fatigue as a reason why the townspeople shouldn’t bother to come running anymore, then he’d be ignoring reality.

    For four years, they’ve been spouting the most god-awful bullshit about Trump, and if the voters have stopped listening and no longer give credibility to every accusation just because he’s accused by someone with a title, then that doesn’t make me nostalgic for a time when these accusations would be taken seriously. It helps restore my faith in humanity.

    1. Here’s an example of when scandal fatigue started to set in. This is from October of 2016–a month before Trump was elected.

      “Drake accused the Republican presidential nominee of “uncontrollable misogyny, entitlement, and being a sexual assault apologist,” and claimed he kissed her and two other women without their consent”.

      https://reason.com/2016/10/22/donald-trump-accused-of-offering-porn-st/

      I did a search at the time, and this porn star had apparently done a bukkake video and more than one gang bang video–but she was suing Trump in civil court because he greeted her with a kiss on the cheek and she was traumatized so much by the experience that she needed to seek compensation in court.

      Read the article yourself. This is being treated as serious news. I don’t know what’s worse, treating this as a serious allegation with integrity or knowing this is a ridiculous allegation and treating it as if it were serious. In the case of the FBI’s later treatment of the “Piss-Gate” memo, we know that the FBI knew the allegations were spurious and yet presenting them to the FISA court as if they were serious anyway. Of course, what’s worse for the FBI may not be what’s worse for a journalist. The purpose of the FBI is the administration of justice, so we don’t expect them to undermine justice by presenting something in a subpoena as reliable when they know it to be unreliable. The purpose of a journalist is to call out bullshit when they see it. If a journalist is honestly taken in by obvious bullshit, then that’s probably worse.

      Q: You know what’s not bad at all?

      A: The American people coming to ignore all of this bullshit after being subjected to absurd accusations for four years.

      1. I do find it comforting that the majority of Americans really don’t care much about politics. For them, there was no wolf-crying or media saturation experience. They mastered the ability to ignore the chattering classes before we got started.

        But how to harness that power in democracy? How about a candidate or initiative has to get 50% plus one of all eligible voters?

        1. “You had to hand it to Tyler. He had a plan: no fear, no distractions, and the ability to truly let slide that which does not matter”.

          Fight Club.

        2. In the US, the most successful nation on the planet for the last century, we harness that power by having a candidate get 270 electoral votes.

          Said votes gained via the individual state/territory for those votes.

          Not by collectivized, compelled balloting. If that’s the system you want, I’m sure there’s some collectivist shithole that would be more than happy to have you.

    2. “and if the voters have stopped listening”

      Why do you think the voters have stopped listening? The newspapers and other media are full of accusatory stories on Trump. I doubt you know their audience better than they do.

      1. “Why do you think the voters have stopped listening? The newspapers and other media are full of accusatory stories on Trump. I doubt you know their audience better than they do.”

        Are these the same newspapers and other media who had a collective melt-down on 11/8/16 after their oh-so-confident predictions fell apart?
        How well do they know their audience?

        1. All the media I’m familiar is giving top billing to Trump’s trial. Do you know of any media that isn’t?

          1. The failing newspapers hemorrhaging money and readers?

            1. Not only newspapers. Have you checked out the FOX or CNN websites? Wall to big beautiful wall Trump trial. Is that where you are getting the idea that American voters have stopped listening?

              1. Fox on a good night is 3 in viewers average for the night. Do you even bother looking at actual numbers before making assertions?

                This is as ignorant as the old John Stewart was the one providing news to america with his 2 million views a night.

                1. FOX has more than 3 viewers a night.

                  1. 3 million. God you are dumb. Auto correct removed the m. It was obvious if you knew facts.

                    1. He admitted he lies and it doesn’t matter. That’s who you’re dealing with.

                    2. How should I know the number of FOX viewers? It’s not my business. i just assumed, correctly as it turned out, that it was greater than 3. Didn’t mean to upset you,

                    3. Holly shit you can’t stop saying dumb shit! Do you think anyone really thinks 3 people are watching Fox News?

                      Ok, you got me, you’re a parody account.

                    4. ” Do you think anyone really thinks 3 people are watching Fox News?”

                      The Liar claimed that FOX has only 3 viewers. I called him on his lie. You are a Liar too.

          2. Literally all sports media

            1. Speaking of,
              RIP Kobe Bryant

              1. Holy shit just saw that.

          3. They’ve been giving top billing to Trump’s impeachment ever since election night 2016. Have you not noticed? Oh dear, sorry to spoil the surprise.

            1. “They’ve been giving top billing to Trump’s impeachment ever since election night 2016.”

              A couple of weeks back top billing was Trump’s attempts to dissuade Iran from nuclear weapons development. Some of the coverage was fairly sympathetic to Trump. Didn’t you notice?

          4. “All the media I’m familiar is giving top billing to Trump’s trial. Do you know of any media that isn’t?”

            Non-seqquitur, but expected.

            1. Which media isn’t giving top billing to Trump’s trial? It’s not a trick question.

      2. Sure they know their audience, because their audience gets smaller and smaller as they continue to spout bullshit.

    3. Here’s Anthony Fisher going after Trump rallies like they were Nuremberg rallies:

      “Then there’s the matter of loyalty oaths, which Trump has been beginning his rallies with for some time, but the optics of which (including outstretched hands) have only recently begun raising eyebrows.

      The former director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Abe Foxman, told The Times of Israel, “It is a fascist gesture” and called it “about as offensive, obnoxious and disgusting as anything I thought I would ever witness in the United States of America.”

      https://reason.com/2016/03/08/donald-trumps-rallies-getting-creppy/

      These comments will only allow one link, but for further examples of Fisher’s objective reporting on Trump and Trump rallies, hunt for these gems in the archive by their titles:

      “Donald Trump Says “Pussy,” Which Is One of the Least Awful Things He’s Ever Said”

      —-February 8, 2016

      “Trump Supporter Sucker-Punches Protester, Police Respond by Handcuffing Protester”

      —-March 10, 2016

      “Donald Trump’s Rivals Completely Let Him Off the Hook on Violence Surrounding His Campaign”

      —-March 11, 2016

      “Donald Trump’s Violent Rhetoric is Protected Speech, For Now”

      —-March 16, 2016

      If you’re looking for where the Michelle Fields incident fits into that timeline, she alleged battery and filed a police report on March 11, 2016.

      You get the picture. For four years, we’ve been subjected to the message from the left and the press that Donald Trump is a Nazi, serial sexual assaulter of women, and he’s on the payroll of the Russians, which is where he likes to go to have women pee on him.

      If American voters aren’t paying attention to new allegations anymore, it’s probably because they’re intelligent, and those Americans who still take these allegations seriously should probably go see a psychiatrist and get a prescription.

      1. “If American voters aren’t paying attention to new allegations anymore”

        I don’t know where you get the idea that American voters aren’t paying attention. Every media source I’m aware of is giving the Trump trial very prominent coverage. You think because they are mentally ill?

        1. There was no bump on coverage last week for the major media outlets. There was just a poll in D.C. of all places saying the majority of people dont care. David Axelrod himself said impeachment never comes up in their various focus groups.

          https://thehill.com/homenews/media/479876-cnns-axelrod-says-impeachment-didnt-come-up-until-80-minutes-into-focus-group

          But please continue to believe impeachment is working.

          1. “There was no bump on coverage last week for the major media outlets. ”

            How could coverage bump? It’s already top billing on every media site on the net? Were you expecting coverage to bump from top billing to extra top billing? There is no such billing as extra top billing. Top billing is as high as it gets.

            Focus groups and polls are usually dubious, and it’s an error to put too much stock in them. Usually they are fodder for making political points.

            And I don’t care if impeachment is working or not. It’s a farce and best enjoyed as farce.

            1. An increase in viewers would be a bump. Numbers are static. Nobody seems to care. There was an actual bump for Kavanaugh, here there is none.

              It is fucking hilarious how you dismiss actual on hand data. You’ve now dismissed polls, focus groups, and viewership data.

              But keep believing your baseless assertions lol.

              1. “Numbers are static. ”

                How does this indicate that voters have lost interest?

                “But keep believing your baseless assertions lol.”

                My assertion is that news media continue to give the trial extensive top bill coverage. It’s not baseless as it’s obviously true and nobody has disputed this.

                1. I literally gave you 3 sources of data showing nobody really cares. You dismissed every one. The voices in your head tell you one thing, facts that are available tell a different one.

                  1. I promise you people do care. Look at the number of comments here at Reason every time they publish something about Trump’s trial. You alone have contributed more than 40 comments to this threat, and you continue to pretend you don’t care.

              2. “There was an actual bump for Kavanaugh, here there is none. ”

                That’s hardly surprising. because Kavanaugh actually appeared in person and was subjected to lengthy questioning on camera over several sessions, and provided us all with more than a few dramatic moments and endless fodder for discussion. I predict an even greater Trump bump than the Kavanaugh bump, should Mr. T attempt to match Kavanaugh’s performance.

                1. What you are doing is rationalization for being wrong.

                  1. I only meant to point out the reasons why comparing the Kavanaugh hearings the trial might lead you to faulty reasoning. Tell me why I am wrong to point this out. You brought Kavanaugh into the conversation, after all. You must have had a reason.

        2. mtrueman
          January.26.2020 at 11:43 am

          “I don’t know where you get the idea that American voters aren’t paying attention.”
          Followed by:
          “Every media source I’m aware of is giving the Trump trial very prominent coverage. You think because they are mentally ill?”

          Note there is NOTHING there which says anyone it paying attention. Some people are shouting; who’s listening.
          trueman, you once again prove you’re here to spout bullshit.

          1. Truman’s a troll. He likes to have the obvious pointed out to him and pretends he doesn’t understand obvious just so you’ll pay attention to him.

            Here’s a chart for the credibility of the press by Gallup over time.

            https://news.gallup.com/poll/1663/media-use-evaluation.aspx

            Now Truman will pretend that either he can’t understand the difference between hearing and listening–and couldn’t be expected to understand. Whether he’s really that dumb or a troll doesn’t matter–either way, it’s pearls before swine. Why bother?

            1. Voters have not stopped listening. They get a big beautiful blast of Trump’s trial every time they pick up a newspaper, watch TV or check out an Internet news aggregator.

              Haven’t you criticized Reason for their extensive coverage of the trial? ‘Click bait’ is the term often used and you’ve probably used it yourself from time to time, given your tendency to parrot pro-Trump tropes. TDS, for example. Click bait doesn’t work when voters stop listening. They click on something else instead. Your statement is clearly foolish, no matter how much you want it to be true, or however much you disapprove of my comments here.

    4. This is simply a statement of fact

      But, but…the adjectives! Those adjectives! “Pitiful”, “corrupt”, “partisan” — they’re…uh…stinky!

  13. You’re putting people down for writing like the best commenters here. Thanks a lot, Welchie.

  14. Did any Democrats call for Nixon’s impeachment the day after his first (1968) election?

    Modern Democrats have been gunning for Trump’s impeachment since election night. Hillary still won’t admit she lost.

    There’s the biggest difference.

    1. Exactly. Trump is being impeached for having the temerity to beat the hag in an election.

      1. Bingo! The Democrats got embarrassed, and now they’re really MAD about that embarrassment.

    2. Comparing Trump to Nixon because they were both impeached is a bad comparison for all sorts of reasons, but the biggest difference is probably that Nixon lost the support of his own party on the obstruction of justice charge after a transcript of “The Smoking Gun” tape was released.

      “The White House released the subpoenaed tapes on August 5. One tape, later known as the “smoking gun” tape, documented the initial stages of the Watergate coverup. On it, Nixon and H. R. Haldeman are heard formulating a plan to block investigations by having the CIA falsely claim to the FBI that national security was involved. This demonstrated both that Nixon had been told of the White House connection to the Watergate burglaries soon after they took place, and that he had approved plans to thwart the investigation. In a statement accompanying the release of the tape, Nixon accepted blame for misleading the country about when he had been told of White House involvement, stating that he had a lapse of memory.[38][39]

      Once the “smoking gun” transcript was made public, Nixon’s political support practically vanished. The ten Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee who had voted against impeachment in committee announced that they would now vote for impeachment once the matter reached the House floor. He lacked substantial support in the Senate as well; Barry Goldwater and Hugh Scott estimated no more than 15 Senators were willing to even consider acquittal. Facing certain impeachment in the House of Representatives and equally certain conviction in the Senate, Nixon announced his resignation on the evening of Thursday, August 8, 1974, effective as of noon the next day.[40]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_White_House_tapes#The_%22smoking_gun%22_tape

      There isn’t any evidence of anything like that on Trump’s part on the obstruction of justice charge. They’re simply alleging that Trump instructed his subordinates not to comply with congressional subpoenas, which, as you can see in the quote above, isn’t an obstruction charge at all. The president can refuse to comply with a congressional subpoena for all sorts of legitimate reasons, as Nixon did. The reason the Democrats didn’t go to the Supreme Court on those congressional subpoenas for Trump’s subordinates is probably because the Democrats expected to lose.

      The fact that Nixon lost the support of his own party is also a biggie. Overturning the results of an election is a political act that requires a certain amount of support from the president’s own party, and that is nowhere near the case in Trump’s impeachment. The Democrats can’t even get the four Republicans they’d need to call for witnesses–much less the 22 Republicans and independents they’d need to remove President Trump from office. The circumstances simply aren’t comparable.

      1. P.S. Another big difference between the Nixon impeachment and Trump’s impeachment is that were the press were largely trying to uncover the truth in regards to Nixon’s impeachment, the press in Trump’s impeachment is largely trying to distort the truth.

        Americans’ faith in the media fell to a low of 32% two weeks ahead of Trump’s election in 2016, and while it’s recovered some since then, that may just be because a lot of people haven’t been paying attention and the 2020 election season is just getting started.

        When Nixon was impeached, Americans’ trust in the media was around 70%.

        https://news.gallup.com/poll/1663/media-use-evaluation.aspx

        Removing a president from office requires two-thirds of the Senate–meaning that less populated states like Wyoming have just as much say as heavily populated states like California–which means that he president needs to lose the support of the voters in his own party in order to be removed from office by way of impeachment.
        The media has sold their credibility so short for so long, I’m not sure it’s possible to impeach a president when the American people won’t believe what the new media is telling them. They’re sold their credibility so short for so long, I’m not sure the current crop can sufficiently restore the credibility necessary to remove a president from office. They may have to wait for new kids from college to restore their credibility.

        1. So in the context of both party support and media strategy, there was some semblance of integrity? Can we imagine a world with ethics, or at least different ethics?

          How did we get to/return to a society so righteous and vindictive?

          1. The funniest part is seeing Leftists deny video evidence, Biden’s CFR speech or Bernie’s staffers’ gulag advocacy, as “fake news”

            1. Indeed. I am still waiting for the Reason article on the Bernie employees who are all about the re-education camps. As I posted earlier…the silence is deafening.

          2. You can’t show some things and not others in a story or cover some stories and not others without being biased. That being said, I think people did eat up what the Walter Cronkites and Ben Bradlees of the world were feeding them–regardless of whether they should have. Things may be different now because back in the antediluvian days before the internet, there was no way to check the facts you saw on the news. A lot of people probably bought stuff because they had no way to hear that the stuff they were being fed was bogus. On the other hand, those guys really did try to handle things impartially–more so than we do now.

            News today is working on a completely different set of assumptions. It’s like the academic a few years back who found that kids in grade school were much more likely to come out as trans if one of their classmates came out as trans–which might suggest kids at a certain age are more susceptible to suggestion rather than experiencing something that comes from within. The came down on that academic so harshly, I think she was kicked out of the school. I don’t know whether she was wrong or right, but you’d have thought it was the early 17th century and she were defending heliocentric theory. Her claims weren’t being weighed on whether or not they were true but whether or not they were within the Overton window.

            It’s the same thing now with the news media. I see it from ENB and others around here all the time. It doesn’t matter what you say about Trump–so long as it makes him look bad–and if it makes him look bad, plenty of people will bend over backwards to defend its authenticity. Their truth is that Trump is an evil sexual assaulter on the Russians’ payroll, and if your facts and logic get in the way of the truth, then your facts and logic must be wrong. Who do you think you are going around thinking for yourself and telling people what you think anyway?

            1. “A lot of people probably bought stuff because they had no way to hear that the stuff they were being fed was bogus. On the other hand, those guys really did try to handle things impartially–more so than we do now.

              News today is working on a completely different set of assumptions. ”

              Honestly—and thanks for your posts, Ken. I’ve enjoyed reading them, and Reason could do worse than use blocks of text from some of the better posters here.

              But as I was saying, the media now does seem qualitatively different than the media then. The Journolist scandal was where my eyes got really opened. In the past, I’ve no doubt that it would end up as several old school journalists thought it would: the participants would be blackballed from the industry, retractions would be aired, and blood would flow in newsrooms if people thought about doing something like that again. (Which they did, with Journolist part 2). Instead what happened is they all got better jobs. Like David Weigel.

              Hard not to think of the legacy media as a de facto propaganda arm of the Hard Left after that.

            2. On the other hand, those guys really did try to handle things impartially–more so than we do now.

              No, Ken, they didn’t. They were much more blatant–because NO ONE contradicted them.

              The first real contradictions came from shows like Rush after Reagan deregulated.

              Cronkite lied to our faces. But we didn’t know that then–because there was no one even trying to dissent from the party line on TV or radio.

      2. Nixon was not impeached; he resigned before it got that far.

        Which is interesting, because all three impeachments have been pure political theater. The only honest impeachment was aborted by resignation.

        1. Nixon resigned because he would have been removed from office.

  15. If only Trump, Nunes, and all the rest of us could talk as thoughtfully, respectfully, intellectually, and prosaically as Welchie Boy does. Here’s one shining example of his soaring eloquence:

    “Now would be a good time to throw a big cocktail party in New York or Washington, and invite every single conservative writer you know. #RedWedding2”

    https://twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12

    For those of you who aren’t familiar with Game of Thrones, the “Red Wedding” was a surprise massacre.

    1. Wow, that’s embarrassing.

      1. Or should be, I guess. But somehow isn’t.

      2. Not possible to embarrass a reason writer.

    2. Oh wow! WTF.

      I knew he was leftie, but I didn’t realize he was a Jacobin/Antifa level leftie. These people really want to spill some blood, don’t they.

      1. Yep. And talk about lacking self-awareness!

    3. I continue to find new limits for my admiration of the writers and editors of this magazine. What a loathsome, repellent thing to write. That he doubled down on in the twitter feed of that post.

      We all have bad days where we shouldn’t be near a keyboard. I guess that was one of Welch’s.

      I don’t want an atmosphere where extrajudicial violence was encouraged. I REALLY wouldn’t want one if I was a public figure and intellectual.

  16. —-“By copying his language, interesting thinkers run the risk of dumbing themselves and America down.”—

    That ship already sailed. We’ve witnessed the progressive dumbing down of America each time the pseudo-literate sexual predator-in-chief tweets absurdities and self-aggrandizing claptrap. The very person who can’t spell his own wife’s name is now the leader of a herd of idiots who believe the man is being persecuted because he beat Hitlery. These same dumbed-down individuals who showed their disdain for human life when they collectively sent their acolyte to murder brown people in El Paso, feign fake wonderment why so many hate their dear leader, as if his white supremacist ideology isn’t enough evidence the man does not belong in that seat.

    But Trumpistas, be sure of one thing: your white supremacist assess will be replaced. You will be replaced by far BETTER people –white and brown and all other colors. You fucking maggots are museum relics.

    1. You will be replaced by far BETTER people –white and brown and all other colors.

      The US can be as fabulous as Mexico, with a median per capita income of $2900, a homicide rate of 19.2, and a rank of 100 on the global education index. That’s what bigots and racists like you consider “far better people”, because you simply don’t know any better.

      1. LOL — you didn’t go to college, did you?

        If you had, you would have learned all problems in countries like Mexico are ultimately white people’s fault. What do you think, an entire nation full of people like Old Mexican would spontaneously become barely livable on its own? Don’t be ridiculous.

        1. If you had, you would have learned all problems in countries like Mexico are ultimately white people’s fault.

          They are indeed! After all, Mexicans are white, and so are the mass murdering, slave holding, brutal, autocratic Spanish that they descended from.

      2. Why settle for being like Mexico? Maybe we can be like Venezuela! Or sub-Saharan Africa! Or Syria!

      3. Don’t believe your lyin’ eyes!

        How dare you!

        Haha.

    2. “These same dumbed-down individuals who showed their disdain for human life when they collectively sent their acolyte to murder brown people in El Paso”

      Well said. Literally every single Drumpf voter in the country is directly responsible for that attack. Only their white privilege prevented them from being arrested as accessories to murder.

      Fortunately in 2021 the Democratic President will implement the Koch / Reason open borders agenda, allowing tens of millions of strong, proud Brown bodies like Old Mexican here to immigrate to the US. Personally I cannot wait!

      #OpenBorders
      #ImmigrationAboveAll

    3. Mexican kirkland is as awful as regular Kirkland.

        1. Only a duel to the death will truly determine that. Either way, we’ll all be better off with one of them gone.

    4. Let the hate flow through you…

    5. “collectively sent their acolyte to murder brown people in El Paso”

      How libertarian

    6. Tell us how you really feel.

    7. “…We’ve witnessed the progressive dumbing down of America each time the pseudo-literate sexual predator-in-chief tweets absurdities and self-aggrandizing claptrap…”

      At one time Old Mex was capable of posting without the spittle shorting out his keyboard, but the TDS is just too much.

      1. I find that hard to believe.

  17. I haven’t the time or the inclination to read all the comments, so I’ll just say that I hope I’m not the only one to agree that Matt got it right, although he errs substantially on the side of optimism. The Republican Party has embraced Trump because he’s made the party’s implicit racism explicit: the Republican Party is now openly the white man’s party, and goddamn proud of it! The Republican Party has embraced Trump because without Trump they have nothing. The odds are very good that even godawful Hillary Clinton could have beaten Jeb Bush, because, if nothing else, she was the more butch. (Sorry, Hillary. I did vote for you, despite your miserable record as SoS, because, unlike Trump, you’re not a monster.)

    1. The Republican Party has embraced Trump because he’s made the party’s implicit racism explicit: the Republican Party is now openly the white man’s party, and goddamn proud of it!

      The Democrats are dividing people up by race, race baiting, and making race-based laws. Now as ever, Democrats are the racists.

      Republicans are simply the American mainstream and middle class (which happens to be predominantly “white” if you care about such things).

      1. “Now as ever, Democrats are the racists”

        I wouldn’t bet the farm on it, but I imagine Harding, Coolidge and Hoover took the majority of the black vote. And Nixon was terribly stung by his loss of the black vote, despite his exemplary stand on all things black, going back to his student days in college.

        1. “His exemplary stand on all things black….”

          Haha. Yes, pandering impresses you. That’s why things don’t get better.

          1. Nixon’s lack of pandering cost him the election in 1960. Bet you don’t know why.

    2. The liberal take on reality is a byproduct of failed schools and the indoctrination of grievance studies. It is amazing how liberals are the most race conscious as they solely care about race as a forms to power. The KKK was from the left. We will keep the Ns voting for us for decades… hmmm… democrat. Grievance studies. Eugenics. Etc. Etc.

      The irony that Democrats spent 150 years fighting to segregate the races to only finally now convince races to self segregate through victim studies is hilarious.

      Keep calling others racist when all you do is see race.

      1. These people crack me up.

        The Republican Party was formed to fight slavery by Democrats. The GOP did fight to end slavery. The GOP actually ended slavery by winning the Civil War and passing the 13th Amendment in 1865.

        The Democrats who controlled Congress and FDR as President interned the Japanese-Americans. The Democrats were founders of the KKK. The Democrats were the Party of Segregation. Democrats stood in front of colleges to prevent Black Americans from going to college and the GOP President Eisenhower sent in federal troops to enforce those Constitutional rights.

        1. The fact that they’ve pushed the concepts of hard work, self determination, and ethics as racist should frighten everyone. Full college departments teach this.

          I wont even step into the idiocy of post modernism.

      2. “The KKK was from the left.”

        I always thought of them as of the right and the abolitionists and radical republicans were of the left.

        “The irony that Democrats spent 150 years fighting to segregate the races”

        The races were segregated long before Democrats appeared on the scene. As soon as black slaves arrived, the owners would segregate them, even split up their families. This stretched back to the 17th century. By the time Democrats came along, the races were already segregated.

        1. “The KKK was from the left.”

          I always thought of them as of the right and the abolitionists and radical republicans were of the left.

          Well, you thought wrong.

          The abolitionists and radical Republicans supported individual liberty, individual responsibility, and individual freedom.

    3. What color are you in your world? The Democrat party, as evidenced by their remaining presidential candidates is advancing to become an OLD white peoples party. They loves them some colored people as long as they’re outside the gate and not in their kiddies’ schools.

    4. “…(Sorry, Hillary. I did vote for you, despite your miserable record as SoS, because, unlike Trump, you’re not a monster.)…”

      You pathetic piece of shit, you and she lost.
      Grow up.

  18. Well, the idea that Trump’s behaviour could lower the standards of ‘civil politicking’ and that it could lead to a ‘dumbing down of America’ is not necessarily wrong. However, I remain unconvinced it will become a norm.

    A couple of things to consider. I prefer the conservative opinion that the West as a whole has been ‘dumbing down’ for quite some time now. Pinning down when this began is difficult to say but I’ve a number of books and essays recounting endless assertions and it seems to be in the general time frame of about 150 years ago to about 60. For example, Hugo’s ‘Hunchback of Notre-Dame’ was a tome to the destruction of architecture – is this not a dumbing down of sorts? Charles Murray seems to conclude human achievement in the West slowed down significantly since 1950 after an explosion of human genius between c. 1300-1950. Still, a more obscure Spengler argued the West had already fallen by 1910 or thereabouts.

    Politically, I could have sworn in my time studying history and politics in university there have been many instances of ‘uncivil’ political behaviour and if one bothers to consider it, it helps to properly contextualize Trump. The one thing, to me personally, he’s guilty of is being an outsider who simply doesn’t govern as set up by the established political class.

    Specifically to a more focused area of American politics, it’s like Obama never existed. Did you remember half the puerile and ideological rhetoric that spewed from this sower of discord’s remedially challenged ideological mind?

    Are you going to seriously make us pull out all the quotes?

    I’ll tell you one thing. It seems that Trump passed legislation and orders that DIRECTLY impact citizens positively (Prison reform, tax reform, Music Modernization act, reigning in the EPA etc.) than Obama.

    Oh, the ironies of human nature!

    But let’s focus on the messenger’s uncouth and inelegant behaviour.

    Spare us the left-wing trope about ‘dumbing down because Trump’ as if this all started in 2016. It’s gratingly tiresome (and even pointless) and insults those of us who happen to be mildly literate.

    1. Well, the idea that Trump’s behaviour could lower the standards of ‘civil politicking’ and that it could lead to a ‘dumbing down of America’ is not necessarily wrong. However, I remain unconvinced it will become a norm.

      I sure hope it will become the norm.

      1. Thank can be problematic. There should be decorum on some level, no?

        But I would add, Trump’s blowhard antics pale in comparison to the crap the Democrats have been doing and saying since 2016 (including the illiberal gibberish from AOC and Bernie). I’d be more worried about that.

        1. I’ll go with Spengler. Europe during the Belle Epoque was one of the more humanistic, pluralistic civilizations ever constructed, that all of their leaders promptly shitcanned so they could have World War 1.

          What a titanic fucking waste.

        2. Thank can be problematic. There should be decorum on some level, no?

          Sure: when the federal government reaches a level of substantially less than 5% of GDP, there will be decorum for the simple reason that nobody cares about any of those people anymore.

          Until then, the more contempt Americans have for our “representatives”, the better.

        3. Thank can be problematic. There should be decorum on some level, no?

          What value has decorum when it’s sweet words and graceful actions are used for naught but to deliver us into collectivist bondage?

          Far better coarseness and rude action if the end goal is freedom and liberty for all.

          Those who decry the fact that freedom is messy seek to be the ones holding decorum as a whip to lash our backs.

          There is only one response that does them justice.

          Fuck off and die in a fire, slavers.

    2. “But let’s focus on the messenger’s uncouth and inelegant behaviour.”

      It was Trump’s failed attempt to shake-down the Ukrainians that set off his impeachment. Focusing on uncouth and inelegant behaviour is a misdirection.

      1. Riiiiight. Because politicians never miss a chance to not shakedown something.

        Please.

        1. “Because politicians never miss a chance to not shakedown something.”

          They are usually smart enough not to do it in front of people they don’t trust. Or let themselves be recorded in the act of the shakedown.

          1. Oh, so you’ve heard audio of the call?!!!

            1. Exactly! Letting himself be recorded while he attempts to shakedown the Ukrainians shows him to be out of his depth. A craftier, less naive shakedown artist would have instinctually avoided these unnecessary complications.

              1. Link to the audio please! I’d love to hear it.

                1. He doesnt actually cite his facts and rejects any facts against his assertions. He is basically a Jeff acolyte.

                2. “I’d love to hear it.”

                  Ask Trump. I’m sure he’d love to let you hear it.

                  1. There is no tape. The transcript provided is how they record the conversation.

                  2. So you lied when said you’ve heard it. Got it.

                    1. “So you lied ”

                      But I’m not on trial. Another misdirection.

              2. “Letting himself be recorded while he attempts to shakedown the Ukrainians shows him to be out of his depth. A craftier, less naive shakedown artist would have instinctually avoided these unnecessary complications.”

                I see. He doesn’t corrupt dirty enough like a Demoract or progressive liberal. I get it.

                1. “He doesn’t corrupt dirty enough like a Demoract or progressive liberal.”

                  Corrupt and stupid. A craftier, less naive shakedown artist would have instinctually avoided these unnecessary complications.

                  1. I agree. True. Which kinda in a roundabout way kinda proves Trump isn’t a slick criminal as being kinda portrayed.

                    1. “Trump isn’t a slick criminal as being kinda portrayed.”

                      His lack of discretion led him into this mess. The need to grandstand before an audience, if you’ll allow me to psychologize.

          2. Err, Biden at the Council on Foreign Relations?

            I know it wasn’t a call for a shakedown in the strictest sense but it was a demand.

            And it’s not like the CFR is some obscure outfit.

            Hello.

            1. “And it’s not like the CFR is some obscure outfit. ”

              It’s the senate that is trying Trump. The CFR doesn’t play a role. More misdirection.

              1. Wow. You totally missed his point. Wither you’re going for intentional dishonesty or full up idiocy.

              2. How is it misdirection? You said:

                “Or let themselves be recorded in the act of the shakedown.”

                I replied Biden not only let himself get recorded publicly for all to plainly see, he even boasted about it.

                Then you spun off about the Senate and sammiches or something.

                Also. It’s a bit rich to hear the left side of the spectrum speck of ‘misdirection’. Sounds like projection to me.

                1. “How is it misdirection? ”

                  Because the CFR has no part in the impeachment. I already mentioned the senate is responsible for the trial.

                  1. You really are this dumb aren’t you?

                    1. You deal with him. I’m two Murphy’s Stout in.

                    2. I’m right behind ya. But I’m done with him for now. He just blatantly lied in the midst of his stupidity.

          3. Uh, huh. Because to the ideologue, it’s just not possible that the recording reveals a non-shakedown.

            1. “it’s just not possible that the recording reveals a non-shakedown.”

              Why give him the benefit of the doubt? If the recording clears Trump, I assume we’d have heard it already.

              1. I dont think they can be more clear. There are no tape recordings.

                1. “There are no tape recordings.”

                  Too bad. It was such a perfect call, too.

              2. “Why give him the benefit of the doubt? If the recording clears Trump, I assume we’d have heard it already.”

                My guess is that you could hear Zelensky himself deny any shakedown, and you’d still play pretend.

                Wait…We did hear from Zelensky. Repeatedly. I rest my case.

                1. “My guess is that you could hear Zelensky himself deny any shakedown”

                  Sounds like a perfect call. I’d love to hear it.

      2. It’s the point of the fucking article shitferbrains.

        1. You’re allowed to question the article and its assumptions.

          1. You’re also allowed to discuss the point of the article in the comments of…the article.

              1. Good for you shitferbrains.

    3. “left-wing trope about ‘dumbing down because Trump”

      But how else would insecure little bitches with pedestrian intelligence convince themselves that they’re more than mediocre morons?

    4. “ Did you remember half the puerile and ideological rhetoric that spewed from this sower of discord’s remedially challenged ideological mind?”

      Bingo. His personal and structural agenda was class divide.

  19. The Corruptions of Talking Like Trump By copying his language, interesting thinkers run the risk of dumbing themselves and America down.

    By wallowing in TDS, libertarian and liberal thinkers have dumbed themselves down to the level of totalitarian sea slugs.

    1. Lessee, what does that ‘D’ in TDS stand for? Oh, yeah — derangement. Trump is real good at that.

      1. Trump is much more of a realist than his opponents.

  20. By the way, when it comes to that long Devin Nunes quote that Welchie Boy cited with many words and phrases italicized, it’s worth nothing that neither Welchie Boy nor any of his liberal media brethren can any longer challenge one single word in that entire statement on a pure factual, evidentiary basis.

    This is an old, time-honored tactic used by the losers who have been defeated in the arena of truth: they call their opponent a big meanie.

  21. “The Corruptions of Talking Like Trump”

    It’s a fucking religion to you people, Trump is the devil and you are prissy little old women trying to keep him out of your church and community… AKA Twitter.

    I’ve had it with this site

    1. Stossel’s still here, and some of the refutations of the proggy articles here in the comments are pretty good.

    2. Go back to RedState, Stormfront, and FreeRepublic with the other right-wingers. You’ll still be a culture war casualty, but you can hang out with the other inconsequential clingers until replacement.

      1. Fuck off, Kirkland. Don’t you have a tumblr post to write?

      2. Hey, when is replacement, rev? I’m guessing you’ve been waiting a long time.

        I have a fat, useless, bitter old hippie uncle who’s been waiting for the age of Aquarius since the 60’s. He’s a real clinger.

        Haha.

    3. It’s a foocking religion to you people. Trump is the savior and you are prissy lonely basement dwellers trying not to notice that he violates every moral standard of your church and community.

      1. Maybe he violates their moral standards, but unlike your lot, he doesn’t hate them and want to kill them.
        Voting for the person who doesn’t want to stuff you in gulags or mass graves is common in elections.

        1. Paranoid much?

          1. He just listened to the two Bernie workers who advocated for just that. That Sanders still hasn’t disavowed.

            It’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

          2. Meh. Maybe they just voted for the guy who wasn’t apologizing like a pathetic pandering pussy.

          3. If you’re gonna try to parody someone you should try harder to talk like them, not just say the same dumb shit you usually say squirrel.

          4. “Paranoid much?”

            I’ve read Salon, listened to BernieBros and perused Antifa tracts. You guys aren’t exactly subtle with your eliminationist rhetoric.

  22. So, “Reason” isn’t even an aspirational goal at Reason anymore?

    HRC would have been smooth sailing for you fucking hacks.

    1. Shit, there is that fucking corruption about which you blather! Fuck, there it is again! Shit! Fuck urrgll

    2. HRC would have been smooth sailing for you fucking hacks.

      Reason editors would have mildly and politely criticized her for not being libertarian enough, earned their edgy contrarian cred, and then still gotten invited to all the right cocktail parties.

      Trump doesn’t invite Reason editors to cocktail parties, and the growing socialist left considers Reason/Cato to be Nazis. That’s why Reason editors are so terribly unhappy.

      1. It was all cozy and comfortable, this ecosystem of eager media, marketing brilliance and politically-motivated equity interests. They swam in the same opaque soup.

        Then, an asteroid named “Orange” punctuated that equilibrium.

        1. All Hail, Eris! Amiright?

          1. Or maybe a Vatiras, but yeah.

            1. 2 pathetic squirrel socks. The sad thing is something like this could actually be funny, but you have no sense of humor so you blew it.

      2. This shouldn’t be as correct as it sounds. They’d have liked a Hillary Administration just fine. Mild, impotent bitching is what Libertarians do.

        Which is why something that isn’t mild or impotent, yet threatens to turn over the staid routines, like the TEA Party demonstrations, or the largest armed peacetime demonstration in US history six days ago in Richmond, pisses them off or scares them enough to not engage with it.

  23. Trump has about as much class as school at five in the morning, and it shows in his rhetoric. However I don’t think Congress’ lack of class is Trump rubbing off on them. It’s more like a reflection of American society in general.

    1. It used to be that all the classy people stayed in Europe, and only the crude people emigrated to the US. Then the US got rich and the classy people ran Europe into the ground with two world wars, economic disaster, and authoritarianism. Lots of classy people then came to the US, as government advisers and academics. And now they are trying to do to the US what they did to Europe.

      Thanks, but I prefer not-classy to classy; the classy people are bad news: they destroy nations.

    2. You know what’s hilarious? There isn’t all that much difference between the stuff Trump says and Warren Beatty’s character in Bulworth.

  24. I’d rather Congress listen to The Teaches of Peaches than engage in this nonsense.

    1. That video is still one of the best mash-ups I’ve ever seen. The female leader’s sexy girl-next-door quality doesn’t hurt either.

    2. Good jam, also made an appearance in that fantastic South Park episode “Butters Bottom Bitch.”

      FREEZE!!!

  25. Trump’s jokes are frequently funny, but they often depend on collective negative generalizations and logic that wouldn’t pass muster in a middle school debate class.

    They might pass muster in a college debate class, however.

    1. If dad’s a billionaire.

  26. By copying his language, interesting thinkers run the risk of dumbing themselves and America down.

    You say this, but all you list in the article are politicians. Not interesting thinkers.

    And you’re not wrong – but *in reality world*, not talking like Trump has gotten us Bill Clinton, George Bush, Obama, Hillary Clinton, Adam Schiff, illegal surveillance of Americans, the War on Drugs, political operatives weaponizing government agencies to be used against their ideological rivals, . . .

    So I’m thinking ‘let’s try this for a while and see where it gets us’.

    1. He’s threatening their language.

    2. Agammamon gets tired of being slammed over head by frying pan. Asks to be poked in eye with stick, instead. “Let’s see if this works out better!”

      Dumbshit.

      1. Mac is tired of being slammed over the head by a frying pan – but figures “better the devil you know!”

        Dumbshit.

      2. Agammamon gets tired of being slammed over head by frying pan. Asks to be poked in eye with stick, instead. “Let’s see if this works out better!”

        “So, Agamammon, here it is. You gotta choice. It’s a great choice, probably, the best choice there ever was–and lemme tell you, I know choices–everyone knows, I know choices. The best choices. So here it is.– You can go on getting hit in the head with a frying pan, OR, you can stand over here, with me, and laugh at the people getting hit over the head with a frying pan. That would be cruel–and mean, and believe me, I know cruel AND mean, why I could tell you stories—but you wouldn’t be getting hit in the head with a frying pan. Whaddya say?”

    3. Again, I’ve had with letting the Ivy graduates run things. How about letting the land grand kids have a go?

      Not that Wharton is a land grant school, but damn if he doesn’t speak their language.

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  28. Wow. These Reason scribes have no end to the tar and feather journalism against Trump that has become coin of the realm for the ideological statists and lunatic fringe. They seem eager, in fact, to join the propaganda crusade.

    My read of this article is that its author wants to do nothing but trash Trump’s and his constituents’ polemic under the pretext of virtue signaling.

    It’s pathetic.

    By the way, virtually everything Nunes et al rudely condemned and criticized with respect to the bogus investigations against Trump have turned out to be 100% accurate.

  29. this is just dumb. seriously.

  30. Republicans Pounce. Democrats Flounce. Libtardtarians Jounce.

    1. Synonyms for jounce
      agitate,bucket,convulse,jerk,jiggle,joggle,jolt,judder,quake,quiver, shake,shudder,
      vibrate,wobble, wabble.

      1. You forgot “jerk-off.”

  31. Trump either managed to get through the colleges his father arranged for him without becoming familiar with standard English, or perhaps his illiteracy is an affectation, a lack-of-virtue signal designed to establish solidarity with the disaffected, slack-jawed, half-educated rubes who support him.

    Random capitalization. Botched punctuation. Poor spelling. Mangled grammar. Frequent falsehoods.

    For clingers, that appears to be just as they like it. The best they can manage.

    One more reason they will continue to be, and deserve to be, stomped in the culture war as America progresses against their anti-social efforts and bigoted wishes.

    1. You probably eat beans with your hands and then wipe your ass with that hand.

      1. You have the sequence backwards.

    2. Lucky for you you’re protected in the Witless Protection Program.

    3. Why are you so redolent of cat piss? It is winter, but use some quarters in the machine near your hovel and wash those things for god’s sake.

      For yourself, boiling water might be enough; use fluoric acid and be sure. Scrub hard!

  32. Trump is the cause of such boorish vulgar loss of public virtue? Really Matt?

    pretty much any woke on MSNBC, CNN, the Hill or most “liberal art” college profs have been spewing unintelligent, offensive (to Americans who are both Euro and Christian) hate for decades. While the GOP under the old WASP establishment just caved in and appeased. Trump punched back and that is why he won. Is it right? no but public virtue left starting with the progressives…and accelerated under the degenerate FDR and the New Deal Bolsheviks who then took over the media and academia. And listening to so many democratic elected politicians has lowered our countries intelligence and virtue/honesty by 50%. Yes it started with perverting our monetary base…and allowing govt sector to unionize..then the constant attack on traditional institutions and attacking the foundation of our country including the Bill of Rights (which the wokes at Reason seem to think we should open our borders and then when the millions of new Americans vote for democrats pols that say the “Contitution should be a living document.” Matt I’m waiting for at least one honest libertarian position you take…I’ve never head one….

  33. There are so many eminently reasonable positions to oppose pretty much everything Donald Trump does (I would say “stands for” but even his lack of standing consistently standing for anything is worthy of criticism) that I don’t know why anyone would ever stoop to attacking his language. Donald Trump’s language is ridiculous. His tone is vulgar and inappropriate. But that’s not what anyone should be arguing with. Arguments against tone and style are weak. Why not argue against the substance of what Donald Trump says and does? The actions he takes and the things he says are so comically easy to take down that it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Why make yourself look like a fool shouting “orange man bad” when any clown with two brain cells to rub together can fully articulate what Donald Trump is doing that is wrong and why it’s wrong?

    1. ‘Why not argue against the substance of what Donald Trump says and does?”

      There’s no substance. It’s all flim flamery. We’re in cult of the personality territory.

      1. Why do lefty ignoramuses lie so transparently?

        “There’s no substance. It’s all flim flamery. We’re in cult of the personality territory.”

        1) DeVos
        2) Gorsuch
        3) Kavanuagh
        4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
        5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations.
        6) Dow +40%
        7) Unemployment at 3.0% (!)
        8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
        9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
        10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
        11) Not sure about the tax reform; any “reform” that leaves me subisdizing Musk’s customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once. But cutting taxes is good.
        12) Pulled support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
        13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
        14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
        15) Killed monbeam’s choo-choo
        16) Supported and signed First Step Act.
        And finally:
        17) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin’

          1. Called on bullshit, tries sophistry:
            mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
            “Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”

            Still hoping your nonsense will sell to someone as stupid as you?

        1. 11a) State and Local Tax (SALT) 1040 deductibility changes and the shift away from Fed tax subsidization of high-taxation locales.

  34. “Matt I’m waiting for at least one honest libertarian position you take…”

    I prefer a dishonest libertarian to an honest whinger.

    1. You’ve an odd way of dealing with your self loathing

      1. You can share your own way of dealing with your self loathing if you like.

    2. Since you admit you are a liar and it doesn’t matter, this makes sense.

      1. You’re a poopy-pants liar, but I’m soooo mature.

        1. You’re not good at this.

          1. All the angels are gone…sorry woke left libertarians but the other side isn’t about to stop the wars, cut taxes, end the fed, radically downsize govt, and end entitlement programs…oh and stop getting involved in private parties voluntary transactions….Trump bad…Dems…you get sent to the gulag…worse.

            Matt just comes across as a buddy of mine who became a journalist and worked for Gannett working his way up to managing editor…he claimed to have political views but was always “squishy” and making excuses for the left’s attack on our natural rights.

            1. This makes more sense than what squ..er, I mean Mac n cheese woulda responded.

      2. “this makes sense.”

        Really? It’s not supposed to.

        1. I’m gonna assume this is a lie.

  35. I don’t know a soul whose speech apes the Runyonesque Trump, with the exception of an occasional ‘bigly’ or ‘yooooge.’

    There were, of course, those ladies who flooded the National Mall with hats named after the very expression they claimed to hate, displaying stellar intelligence and setting a fine example for their offspring.

  36. Ooh, yeah, Trumpy Baby, I love it when you lie to me. Tell me again how you’ve never heard of this Bolton guy.

  37. Had a disagreement with my boss the other day.

    He said “which one of us is an idiot?”

    I answered “ I know you are smart enough not to hire stupid people”

    Bada boom.

  38. More too little, too late from a longstanding Trump apologist and enabler. Fuck you Matt Welch

  39. The phenomenon is hardly unique to Trump…witness Hillary Clinton:

    “this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president…”

    “the basket of deplorables. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic…”

    “I think we’re going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for. ”

    “Heavens, no! It could get subpoenaed. I can’t write anything.”

    “The Mexican government’s policies are pushing migration north… There isn’t any sensible approach except to do what we need to do simultaneously. Secure our border — with technology, personnel, physical barriers if necessary in some places. We need to have tough employer sanctions, incentivize Mexico to do more.”

    “It’s not us making this charge. It’s the media. ”

    “Shame on you, Barack Obama!”

    “I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel). In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them. That’s a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic.

    “We came, we saw, he died. ”

    “As president, I will take steps to ban the box, so former presidents won’t have to declare their criminal history at the very start of the hiring process. ”

    “I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.”

    “What, like with a cloth or something? “

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  41. With every passing day, Trump proves that his word has as much value as a two-loop turd found left in a public bathroom stall. And Trump’s supporters are the equivalent of the jerk who didn’t flush and left it there.

    1. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      And it’s people like this saying Trump is coarse.

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