Cancel Culture

Leftist YouTuber ContraPoints Explains Why Cancel Culture Mobs Should Drop the Pitchforks

"I have no faith left in call-out vigilante justice."

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Natalie Wynn, the YouTube personality known as ContraPoints, has just posted her first video of the year: a two-hour rumination on "cancel culture" that criticizes fellow members of the left who rely on the tactic to stifle dissent.

"We do have a teensy bit of a reign-of-terror situation on our hands," says Wynn, likening cancel culture to a milder, digital version of the show trials and public executions led by Maximilien Robespierre during the French Revolution.

It's a fantastic video, and well worth the considerable time it takes to watch it. Wynn is particularly successful at defining how canceling someone is different from merely criticizing them. The latter is directed at a person's actions or views, whereas the former is directed at the person itself.

Wynn, a transwoman who has herself been "canceled" by some social media zealots in the trans activist community because she made comments they interpreted as heretical, spends the second half of the video patiently explaining the emotional harm she suffered as a result of being barraged by unfair attacks. These attacks largely centered around her perceived friendship with Buck Angel, a transgender man who is seen by some in the trans community as being dismissive of non-binary trans-ness. In the video, Wynn notes that a Twitter mob expected her to denounce Angel; when she failed to do so, the mob branded Wynn transphobic and urged all other leftist trans YouTubers to disassociate from her. Some lost followers and subscribers for failing to take an anti-Wynn position.

If this sounds overly dramatic, watch the video. (Wynn has receipts, as the kids say.) I dare anyone to watch it and come away unconvinced that Wynn and her friends were put through hell for no reason.

"I have no faith left in call-out vigilante justice," Wynn says, noting that she will not participate in call-out culture in the future, even if she thinks the target is in the wrong.

It's the first part of the video, though, that may prove more useful to anyone trying to gain a yeoman's understanding of the problems with cancel culture (without going into the very specific controversy at which Wynn was the center). Wynn chooses to revisit the canceling of James Charles, the young social media makeup star who lost millions of followers after mentor-turned-rival Tati Westbrook accused him of endorsing a competitor's product and trying to "trick a straight man into thinking he's gay."

Wynn explains how this bizarre accusation was made crueler by three aspects of cancel culture: the presumption of guilt, abstraction, and essentialism. First, those who joined the pile-on recited the accusation over and over again as if there was no doubt that it was true, a cardinal rule of believe-the-victims, #MeToo activism. Then the specificity of the allegation became lost, as those who attacked Charles began to accuse him of toxic and manipulative behavior in general. Finally, Charles was no longer being accused of toxic behavior, but of being toxic himself. An odd, unproven accusation of non-ideal behavior morphed into a statement about Charles as a person.

"This seems like a nasty and dishonest twisting of the story, and it happened instantaneously on Twitter," Wynn says.

Like many other celebrities who get canceled, Charles has ultimately rebounded. But Wynn notes that less powerful people—especially those in marginalized communities—are far less able to cope with social media shaming and stigmatization. She advises everyone who is serious about moving public opinion in their direction to eschew these tactics, though she hilariously predicts that many of them won't bother engaging the video.

For more on cancel culture, read my 2019 year-end review.

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  1. Oh dear, she sounds worried….

    1. “The channel is seen to counter right wing political argumentation and the channel has since been influential in the left-wing YouTube video essay sub-genre. ”

      No wonder robbie listens.

      1. “Wynn’s analysis of fascists’ use of memes and coded symbols has been cited by the Southern Poverty Law Center in an article explaining the right-wing use of the OK sign.”

        So he is homseld pushing cancel culture on others with the use of self admitted jokes. Fuck him. He is part of the problem.

  2. “It’s a fantastic video, and well worth the considerable time it takes to watch it.”

    Skeptical

    “Wynn is particularly successful at defining how cancelling someone is different from merely criticizing them. The latter is directed at a person’s actions or views, whereas the former is directed at the person itself.”

    Oh thanks you saved me the trouble.

    2 hours for that tho?

    1. Hey now, sometimes robbie and other reason writers need things slowly explained to them.

  3. She advises everyone who is serious about moving public opinion in their direction to eschew these tactics, though she hilariously predicts that many of them won’t bother engaging the video.

    Fuckin’ people not serious about moving public opinion one way or the other; when are they going to finally get on board with all the right thinkers who are waking up and cancelling cancel culture?

  4. I do feel sorry for her to an extent, but this is the bed they made. A bed Reason now firmly sits in as well calling anyone who disagrees with open borders as xenophobic and racist.

    1. “calling anyone who disagrees with open borders as xenophobic and racist”

      When promoting Charles Koch’s immigration agenda, I usually label opponents “alt-right white nationalists.” But I suppose “xenophobic” and “racist” work too.

      #OpenBorders
      #ImmigrationAboveAll

      1. You are the gift that keeps on giving 🙂

        1. Not unlike herpes….

      2. Charles Koch’s immigration agenda IS open borders. You didn’t know this? Lol

  5. Yeah, no, I don’t need any video to understand how nutty cancel culture is; it’s just another manifestation of snowflakes eating their own. I sure don’t need two hours of it.

    Grow a thicker skin.

    1. You don’t need it. I don’t need it. The ContraPoints audience? Need it desperately.

    2. “it’s just another manifestation of snowflakes eating their own.”

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course.

  6. She looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, who looks like a horse.

    Just say’n.

    1. She He looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, who looks like a horse.

      1. Orlly? One of those is it?

        1. “Wynn, a transwoman”

          So a dude. Bet that makes him totally not wanna cancel me.

      2. She He It looks like Sarah Jessica Parker, who looks like a horse.

        I know Tapirs, Hippos, and other ungulates have genders, some may even have a spectrum of them. When I’m unable, unwilling, or unmotivated to discern the individual gender but still want to liken them to a horse, I say “It looks like a horse.” and it’s OK both legally and grammatically (for now).

        1. How dare you!

          1. Insert pout face

  7. “But Wynn notes that less powerful people—especially those in marginalized communities”

    Robby, I know you’re writing to a progressive audience, but maybe next time you can leave out this overutilitzed cultist tic. It looks weird coming from a libertarian.

    1. It’s reflex. The #1 priority is to identify victims and villains. Not divisive at all.

      Haha.

  8. Who cares? When people who deserve each other go to war with each other, I don’t have a dog in the fight. Ask me for sympathy when someone who did not choose to get in that ring is harmed by “cancel culture”.

    1. Yeah. Not surprising that Robby, deaf to libertarian-first sensibilities, can’t spot people overtly espousing progressive-first talking points under a libertarian dressing.

      A trans-individual defending other LGBTQ individuals from cancel culture? Defending people’s speech whom you agree with isn’t a new or impressive trick. Fuck off and call me back when they’re defending Candace Owens or Jordan Peterson.

      1. ContraPoints was pretty good on Jordan Peterson, actually. On economics she fetishizes Marxism in a big way that screams “child of privilege,” but she’s often got quite smart takes on things.

        1. Just proves she’s another heretic that needs to be burned.

          I’ll go watch her now.

        2. Agreed… was looking for contra Peterson stuff to watch (I know… I am going to lose my WASP cis-gendered heteronormative shit-lord card for that but I try to go to the source for ideas) and saw her vids. I was pleasantly surprised how fair and cogent she was. Well spoken and educated even if I disagreed with some things she said. Other things were informative.

          99% of the time I would agree that ignoring a leftist source is probs an OK move but in this case it may (MAY) be worth it.

          1. Was that video also 2 hours? Cuz I’m not listening to this dude for 2 hours, no matter how interesting he is.

            1. Yeah. I couldn’t listen to Jordan Peterson for two hours, wouldn’t recommend it to anyone else, and would be a bit put off by anyone who sat and listened to him for that long without earning college credits. Also, considering this waste of flesh’s claim to fame is ‘transgendered YouTube personality’, 2 hours just screams ‘Garbage in’.

        3. ContraPoints was pretty good on Jordan Peterson, actually.

          Haven’t seen it and don’t need to in order to know that she’s not really good. Judging from your recommendation, the most generous thing she’s done is side step the issue by saying it’s nice that Jordan Peterson believes what he believes while ignoring the fact that the law strives to prevent him from even having the choice to believe or not.

          It’s a flawed interpretation/representation of Jordan Peterson that repeatedly gets made and exposes the underlying desire, not for equality, but for punishing and marginalizing even benign dissent.

          If I’m wrong, you should easily be able to point to somewhere where it/Wynn/ContraPoints says that Jordan Peterson should be able to call anyone of any gender by any pronoun Peterson feels is appropriate and the Canadian (or other) government should fuck right the hell off. My bet is that if there’s 2 hours of ContraPoints yammering about Jordan Peterson (who happens to support its ability to choose) there’s not even 2 min. addressing this point and the rest is little better than Obama lamenting the existence of bitter clingers as an obstacle.

          1. Haven’t seen it and don’t need to in order to know that she’s not really good.

            ‘Nuff said. You’re so sure she’s wrong about absolutely everything you don’t even need to listen to her.

            Impressive.

            1. You’re so sure she’s wrong about absolutely everything

              You need to ease off your estrogen a little bit. I said it was wrong about free speech more fundamentally, and Jordan Peterson specifically. I have no idea how right or wrong its taste in beer, classic cars, or rifle calibers may be. I provided a rather explicit means by which I would acknowledge my error. The fact that you didn’t even attempt anything even close only convinces me further that I was right. And it should be clearly noted that my supposition had little to do with Wynn and more to do with you.

    2. Well put, but … they are entertainment while waiting in a tire shop, for instance.

    3. Yes, Herpetologist’s handshake and all that, but if someone has a realization, even a late one, we should embrace them.

      1. You clearly haven’t met anyone who, after poking the wrong person with a stick and getting their attitude adjusted, returns to poking people with sticks having learned only to be a bit more selective about who they jab. The most appropriate firm embrace for many such people is applied around the throat.

  9. “The latter is directed at a person’s actions or views, whereas the former is directed at the person itself.”

    As a non-binary user of they / them pronouns, I need to inform you that should read “the person themself.” I mean, “the person itself” just sounds silly.

  10. a transgender man who is seen by some in the trans community as being dismissive of non-binary trans-ness.

    As opposed to being non-dismissive of binary trans-ness?

    1. As opposed to being non-dismissive of binary trans-ness?

      If a 1 decides to identify as a 0, we should all join in the delusion.

  11. If this sounds overly dramatic, watch the video. (Wynn has receipts, as the kids say.) I dare anyone to watch it and come away unconvinced that Wynn and her friends were put through hell for no reason.

    Check your Judeo-Christian privilege my friend, some of us have a karmic belief that all things happen for a reason. It is not for me to question the workings of karma, but at first glance I’d guess it has something to do with motes and beams, gooses and ganders, pots and kettles and payback being a bitch.

  12. Who cares?

    Ultimately, “cancel culture” is just speech and association. And let’s not pretend it’s something new, like most things, the internet has just given it a cute name and accelerated it. But “canceling” a person for thinking/doing/saying the “wrong” thing is a pretty old human tradition.

    1. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn agrees.

      1. Faced government persecution for his private comments.

        A bit different from “cancel culture” that amounts to a bunch of idiots sniping at each other.

        1. You’re exceptionally stupid.

    2. But “canceling” a person for thinking/doing/saying the “wrong” thing is a pretty old human tradition.

      Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be discouraged.

      1. To a point, sure. I have no problem with saying the government shouldn’t punish people for their words and non-criminal actions.

        But that’s not what we’re talking about. Here, we’re talking about individuals saying “Wow, that bitch is a dick” and spending their time/money elsewhere.

        That’s entirely within the ethical bounds of association/disassocaition. They’re free to say whatever they want. And everyone else is free to walk away.

        For a group of folks that repeatedly argue that it should be legal and socially acceptable to fire a dude for sucking dick, y’all can be awful thick about this.

        1. One can argue that cancel culture is both bad and dangerous… and they to dissuade people from doing it… while still defending the underlying rights that make it possible. To know if those who are denouncing cancel culture have given up on their principles then we would need to see a case where someone was facing an aggressive violation of the underlying rights in an attempt to stop the cancel culture behavior. If the critics come to the assailed’s defense, principles are in tact.

          It is akin to me thinking all drugs should be legal and simultaneously thinking all drug users are degenerate assholes who are failures at life and deserve to be socially shamed and shunned for their otherwise legal and personal choice.

        2. There’s something to be said about venue, and while freely expressing your views about monetary policy or what ever is well within your rights, doing so in the midst of a first responder situation is perhaps not the best time or place.

          Let’s not sanctify mob rule just because it happens informally or that all associations must be manifest at all times. I was ired when Christian housewives boycotted over every perceived family values transgression that had squat to do with the business or product, and am just as ired when it comes from the left. That is just narcissism that you and yours should be catered to and the expense of everyone else who doesn’t share that neurosis. That isn’t the power of markets, but contorting them to be less free.

          And no, unless your contract specified you can and will be fired for sucking dick (or not as the case may be), it is reneging and should be subject to damages. Again, venue matters, and an exchange of goods or services shouldn’t be the venue for discussing your sexual peccadillos.

          Maybe the lords will finally catch a clue that their association-uber-alles must ultimately devolve into a social credit scores, removing the invisible hand from markets.

        3. For a group of folks that repeatedly argue that it should be legal and socially acceptable to fire a dude for sucking dick, y’all can be awful thick about this.

          I have never seen anyone here advocate for this except for you.

          1. Level 1,000 straw-man alert.

            1. Projecting an exaggerated persecution complex is a major problem for cancel culture. It leads to Jussie smollett, Covington, etc. Boy who cried wolf and all that. Makes it hard to take them seriously.

  13. This article is hilarious 2 links up from reason pushing the SPLCs attempts to cancel steven miller.

    1. Irony is in short supply around these parts lately.

  14. If this sounds overly dramatic, watch the video. (Wynn has receipts, as the kids say.) I dare anyone to watch it and come away unconvinced that Wynn and her friends were put through hell for no reason.

    Trust me… I don’t think it sounds overly dramatic. Despite our insistence that the “snowflakes on the right” are just as bad as those on the left, we know that’s not true, and we know the leftist ‘cancel culture mobs’ are bigger, louder and contain far more awful people in scope and volume. And Wynn is absolutely correct in that they are essentially a… *clears throat* milder form of show trials that are always so prevalent in Communist revolutions.

    What I find interesting about ‘cancel culture’ and twitter mobs is they are the manifestation of humanity’s capability of getting on board with dangerous mob actions in the public space. You don’t think that “it can happen here [or now]”, it can, and the twitter mob is proof. The kind of people engaged in Twitter mobbing ARE the people who will sell their neighbors out to the Polizei, they ARE the kind of young people who would turn in their parents for counter-revolutionary grumblings in the living room.

    I’m glad that Wynn is speaking out on the issue.

    And: “I have no faith left in call-out vigilante justice.” suggests she used to have faith in said justice. It’s unfortunate Wynn comes to realize this only after she’s on the receiving end. It would be nice for people to reject this stuff out of principal before becoming a victim themselves, thus forcing a Road-to-Damascus moment out of them.

    1. Well put. Or said. Whatever.

      What’s fascinating is it was pretty obvious who the antagonists were early in this shitty plot. Rather than hammer at this fact, we were treated to a ‘yeh but they do it too’ narrative. No shit some were going to play that game but it was more out of defence than anything.

      Nothing irritates me more than writers framing the issue as if conservatives are remotely on the same footing and calling them ‘snowflakes’ in cases where they’re defending themselves.

      I loathe the progressive left for this bed they made.

      An ugly bed they made ALONE.

    2. You don’t think that “it can happen here [or now]”, it can, and the twitter mob is proof.

      Yes it can. But Twitter is a red herring. With the exception of our president, who sometimes announces policy changes and feuds with other country’s leaders, there is nothing notable on Twitter. It’s just so much pointless buzz. Pretending it’s proof of anything is to give it too much credit.

      The kind of people engaged in Twitter mobbing ARE the people who will sell their neighbors out to the Polizei, they ARE the kind of young people who would turn in their parents for counter-revolutionary grumblings in the living room.

      Sure. But that’s not because of Twitter, that’s just because that’s how people are.

      Remember the Milgram obedience experiment? Everyone wanted to think that Germans were uniquely obedient to authority, but the experiment never left America because they found that random Joes on the street were willing to shock a stranger to death if a guy in a white coat told him to.

      Yes, we have problems. Pretending Twitter is to blame, or proof, or important in any way… is nonsense.

      And that goes for “cancel culture” too. People have always reacted to what other people do. And if enough people agree, then something happens. Folks have been getting fired for saying the wrong things for all of human history, folks have fallen out of popular or political favor for having the wrong views for all of human history. “Cancel culture” isn’t new, it’s just re-branded human behavior.

      And it’s even a particular dangerous re-branding. No government backing, no gulags or secret police… just folks talking and saying “that guy’s a jerk, you shouldn’t give him money”. They’re no worse then boycotts.

      1. Whoops, final paragraph should be “And it isn’t even […]”.

      2. Remember the Milgram obedience experiment?

        The discredited one?

        1. Huh. I’ll have to read that later. 2013 is after I graduated.

          1. Ok, can’t read that later, don’t have an account and I’ve been out of school too long for my ILL account to work either.

            But from the wiki blog on her repudiation, she talked about Milgram specifically, not the replications (which Milgram wasn’t involved in). So even if Milgram himself botched the job, there’s more to do before I think I can’t get a patsy to murder for me if I wear a white coat.

            Throw in that it’s a grossly unethical experiment to run nowadays, so it’s basically impossible to even attempt new replications.

            So mark me as intrigued but skeptical. And still pretty cynical about human behavior.

        2. Not her discredited psychology experiment? Color me confused.

          /sarc

          1. Should read “Another discredited….”

            Stupid computers….

      3. Yes it can. But Twitter is a red herring. With the exception of our president, who sometimes announces policy changes and feuds with other country’s leaders, there is nothing notable on Twitter. It’s just so much pointless buzz. Pretending it’s proof of anything is to give it too much credit.

        I disagree. It’s not a red herring, it’s one of the most useful platforms on the internet today.

        It’s why so many journalists ‘go off’ twitter. Twitter has been one of the greatest inventions for Journalism since the printing press. You want to know what a journalist really thinks about a set of subjects… don’t read his articles, go to his twitter feed. Journalists can’t help themselves. That article that felt a little dodgy and biased? Check his (or her) twitter feed and you’ll know the real motivation behind it.

        Yes, we have problems. Pretending Twitter is to blame, or proof, or important in any way… is nonsense.

        You’ve misunderstood me. I’m not ‘blaming’ twitter, like I think a digital platform has ’caused us’ problems and therefore must be curtailed. Again, as I in the above paragraph, Twitter has been immensely useful in creating a kind of transparency for what people think. I think the results have been harmful, but I wouldn’t curtail twitter for all the gold in Araby.

        As one person pointed out with great insight: There was a time when people could live next to each other without knowing all their inner, deeper (or darker) political beliefs. We had picnics together, talked over the back fence, and you never knew what your neighbor really thought about every picayune issue of the day. Now you know.

        And it’s even a particular dangerous re-branding.

        I’m not saying it is. You missed my point: I’m merely saying that Twitter was useful in proving to us that there is a group in this country that would sell your ass down the river to the SS in a nano second, and now we know who they are, and generally, from what side of the political spectrum they hail. So thanks Twitter, you’ve been helpful.

        1. I’m merely saying that Twitter was useful in proving to us that there is a group in this country that would sell your ass down the river to the SS in a nano second, and now we know who they are, and generally, from what side of the political spectrum they hail.

          If you needed Twitter for that, you haven’t been paying attention.

          That said, I’m not that old and I’ve gone through two decades of conservatives arguing over whether or not I should have rights, so if you think this willingness to “sell your ass down teh river to the SS” is a partisan thing, you’re off your rocker. It’s not political. It’s human nature.

          1. It is a partisan thing. It has always been a partisan thing. Only deeply committed, active people care about what their neighbors are doing.

            On another note, I can’t help but think that we might view Twitter (and social networking in general) down the road as being a useful pressure release valve for exactly this kind of thing. Let everyone expose themselves for who they are and more importantly what they are. No we know which of our neighbors we can’t trust when things go sideways.

            I’m not that old and I’ve gone through two decades of conservatives arguing over whether or not I should have rights

            Which conservatives? What rights?

            1. Which conservatives? What rights?

              Aaaaaaand EscherEnigma disappears in a puff of smoke!

      4. Twitter is not a red herring.
        Twitter is a red bird.

        When I read stuff like this I am glad I am not “on” Twitter or Facebook.

        “… just folks talking and saying “that guy’s a jerk, you shouldn’t give him money”. They’re no worse then boycotts.”

        It’s a judgmental mob piling on in outrage to try to virtually “cancel” a person for wrongthink, drive them into the twitterworld wilderness to die alone.

      5. And it’s even a particular dangerous re-branding. No government backing, no gulags or secret police… just folks talking and saying “that guy’s a jerk, you shouldn’t give him money”. They’re no worse then boycotts.

        It’s worse than boycotts for two reasons. One: the rationale is thinner and more prone to the witch hunt mentality. This isn’t “Fuck De Beers because conflict diamonds.” This is “I heard from some internet personality that some other guy said that this dude thinks men and women are different, and that must mean he wants trans people to die!”

        And two: the consequences are worse. At it’s worst, cancelling someone can include everything up to finding out where they live and sending death threats, pressuring their employer to fire them, pressuring any potential future employers to never hire them, pressuring their family and friends to disown them, and dangerous harassment like SWATting. People have killed themselves after being cancelled.

    3. Robby is playing fast and loose with the facts here. Contrapoints is imo, a shitbag who makes arguments in bad faith. He (or she if you want to be “respectful”) isn’t actually guilty of the bs the crazier lefties are attacking over. This is a person who for a long while used the “nonbinary” label. However, he has engaged in the same exact cancel culture he is now decrying. No points for calling out a bad thing he has been a leader in pushing when that same monster turns and bites. It really confirms my perception of Reason’s bias when they so dreadfully fail to understand people and situations I’m very familiar with. On that note, when will they interview Jordan Peterson, Carl Benjamin, Dave Rubin, or any of the other youtube personalities they smear?

  15. BTW, what’s the the trashbag decor? Or do I have to watch the entire canon to “get it”?

    1. The trashbag symbolizes the youtube comment section…….no, I don’t know, but that would be cool

  16. The Jacobin reactionaries are at war with each other. How nice.

    “It’s a fantastic video, and well worth the considerable time it takes to watch it.”

    We’ve already summed up the situation, like, a couple of years ago Robby.

    That leftists are late to the dance is nice but they can wake up weary eyed and confused on their own time.

    I’ll use my time drinking La Resolution while listening to Monteverdi and Bartok.

  17. a transgender man who is seen by some in the trans community as being dismissive of non-binary trans-ness.

    surely they deserve some woke points for even knowing what the hell “non-binary trans-ness” means

    1. surely they deserve some woke points for even knowing what the hell “non-binary trans-ness” means

      Nope. Which is exactly why ‘cancel culture’ will be its own undoing.

      1. “and there was no one left…to cancel me”

      2. And in my opinion, already on the ‘un’ side the of the doing.

  18. Does Mrs. Soave know her husband Robby is watching hours and hours of tranny videos on the internet?

  19. Before 1960 I was not very involved in political watching. I had a sense of right and wrong but more or less took each day as it came. I started watching the presidential election as Kennedy and Nixon were running. I started noticing the attacks of those supporting the democrats were more personal while those who were supporting the republicans were more based on policy and platform, Now this does not mean that the democrat supporters only attack the person but they seam to get the person and personality in their attacks. As the elections went by I noticed this trend seamed to grow stronger. But it did not effect the supporters of republicans until about the election of Obama when the person and personality started to increase. So by the time Trump started his run he, Trump, started attacking the person as well as the platform of the democrat candidate. As I see it, though, the democrats and the left side started it now the other side has taken up what has been used against them and are using it against the them.

    1. Well, I’m sure Mitt “Hitler” Romney and John “Hitler” McCain and George “Chimpy McBushitler” Bush and his dad George “Hitler” Bush and Ronald “Hitler” Reagan might disagree on when exactly the left started demonizing the right, but the effect is the same – if you don’t agree with our opinions, you’re not just wrong but you’re evil. And our foremost opinion is that our opinions are facts and there can be no argument on that. It is a known fact that the best way to solve any given problem is to give government more money and more power and if you want to suggest there might be some other way of solving the problem it’s all the evidence we need to know you actually don’t even care about the problem. You’re wrong, you’re evil, and you’re liars.

      And that’s how we got Trump.

      1. +infinity if I can even do that

        1. I’ll allow it.

      2. Damn. Yeah that about sums it up.

  20. Whenever I hear someone say anything about the [insert trait] community, I just kinda switch off. So lazy. Obviously anyone who is gay is in perfect lockstep with “The LGBTQAI Plus Community” and if not, they’re a heretic. Obviously every person who worked at a 3-letter government agency is in lockstep with “The Intelligence Community” and if not they are a MAGA fascist peacenik warmonger racist. It’s lazy thinking to say that anyone who exhibits a trait is merely one more perfect member of a team or tribe, bereft of individual thought, blameless and holy. Alive lives matter! Alive lives matter! For too long, The Living Community has shouldered the burden of oppression at the cold hands of the deceased! Bury yourselves for once! Pay off the national debt! Alive lives matter! Alive lives matter! Whargarbl all the way down.

    1. That’s the funny part of identity politics, that if you’re a member of the [x] community you must have certain thoughts and opinions because that’s just inherent in the nature of [x]’s. Hillary whined about women not supporting her, Kamala whined about blacks not supporting her, I’m sure it’s just a matter of time before Mayor Pete whines about gays not supporting him. Because all women are just alike, all blacks are just alike, all gays are just alike. Wasn’t that sort of thinking condemned just a few years back?

      But there’s one identity group that isn’t expected to all think and act in lockstep and that’s straight white males. Presumably, that’s because there’s nothing inherent in our nature, we can choose to get woke and stop thinking and acting in a straight white male manner that women and blacks and gays and [x]’s can’t. So, being a straight white male endowed with free will and able to choose my thoughts and opinions and feelings and beliefs – doesn’t that make me a superior form of human being to these lesser forms of human beings who can’t choose their nature? How is that not a natural conclusion to draw from the whole identity politics idea? At the very least, it certainly should excuse me from criticism for supporting Trump – he’s a straight white male, I’m a straight white male, who else am I supposed to support? Why can’t us straight white males be just as tribalist as the women and the blacks and the gays and the [x]’s?

      1. Uhhh… because you are racist?
        Yeah… I dont get it either.

      2. It’s called [x]ism of low expectations, and yes, it’s still [x]ism

  21. All of this seems pretty esoteric for a general interest libertarian website. Real transgender people represent a tiny fraction of the population and while their cat fights might be of interest to one another the rest of us have better things to worry about.
    I had a transgender friend 40 years ago. He/she was probably the saddest person I’ve ever known. I doubt any of these people are actually happy and they have my sympathy for that. But the idea that their “culture” is in any way relevant to the rest of us is just silly.

    1. “Real transgender people”? How dare you, you fucking Nazi! We’re all transgendered people if we want to be! Women can get testicular cancer and men can have periods and Elizabeth Warren can be a Cherokee Indian and I can be the Queen of Romania if I feel like it. “Transgender culture” has nothing to do with transgenders or transgenderism, it’s about being a fucking loon with the power to insist that everybody else indulge your fantasy that you’re perfectly sane.

    2. There’s no question there may be mental illness present in the community and politicians and activists are enabling it on some level; despite the good intentions that may exist. No law or piece of paper can make someone stricken with disorder be at peace with themselves.

      Take this piece of work Jessica Yaniv. He claims to be transgender but he uses the law to attack and ruin lives. It’s not about his rights. There’s a bigger issue at play likely masquerading his profound despair.

      Just a guess by observing. I can be wrong.

      1. “with a disorder”.

        “I *could* be wrong.”

        Either way, just playing arm chair psychologist.

      2. I don’t think good intentions are part of it.

  22. This the evening thread? It looks like the evening thread. Anyway…

    Iran Quds Force leader Qadem Suleymani just got himself, the head of one of Iraq’s pro-Iranian militias, and several other leaders of both Iraqi and Lebanese Hezbollah, all killed in two cars near Baghdad International Airport. The US has been trying to kill this guy for going on 20 years, if not more. Bigger than killing al-Baghdadi, IMO.

    Opinion: Iran is going to try and retaliate in some massive fashion. Soon.

  23. It amazes me the amount of angst, furor, and bytes being spent on .01% of the population.

    1. It’s not the .01% of the population that’s the problem, it’s the much larger percentage of the population that’s pretending to be part of the .01% just for the victim points. And the problem is that, for them, there’s such a thing as victim points. It’s a mad scramble to the bottom of the pile to prove you’re the weakest, the most oppressed, the most helpless little baby of them all – and a society just can’t survive when everybody’s lying about squalling for their diapers to be changed and there’s nobody willing or able to kick ’em in the ass and tell them to get the fuck off the floor and stop acting like helpless little babies.

  24. BTW, is better to have been on twitter and then canceled, or to never have been on Twitter at all?

    1. Easy…

      Always better to have never been a twit.

    2. The latter.

      No one will remember anyone with a Twitter account.

      We may remember a stupid Tweet a person made though.

      The NYT seems to have that cornered with the odious characters who now write for them.

  25. “It’s a fantastic video, and well worth the considerable time it takes to watch it.”

    Skeptical

    “Wynn is particularly successful at defining how cancelling someone is different from merely criticizing them. The latter is directed at a person’s actions or views, whereas the former is directed at the person itself.”

    Oh thanks you saved me the trouble.

    2 hours for that tho?

  26. I think she’s very pretty.

  27. I don’t know Wynn but this isn’t another lament of the cancelled canceller, is it?

    1. It is. Unfortunately, Robby does his best to ignore that

    2. This is exactly the point I came to make.

      “Wynn, a transwoman who has herself been ‘canceled’ by some social media zealots in the trans activist community because she made comments they interpreted as heretical, spends the second half of the video patiently explaining the emotional harm she suffered as a result of being barraged by unfair attacks.”

      I’ll tell you what Robby, highlight one of these stories when a leftist criticizes cancel culture before having been “cancelled” themselves. Until then, it’s just a dog-bites-man story.

      1. I’ll tell you what Robby, highlight one of these stories when a leftist criticizes cancel culture before having been “cancelled” themselves. Until then, it’s just a dog-bites-man story.

        Even then, don’t stop the presses to get the story out. “Dog doesn’t bite man.” or even “Dog learns not to bite some men.” isn’t really any more news worthy. Get back to us when the dog learns to walk on two legs, asks everyone to use appropriately gendered pronouns, and then quotes Voltaire on the topic of free speech.

  28. Person on the left finally realizes that the stuff the people on the right have been saying about cancel culture for the past six years is true.

    ’bout time. We don’t need a 2 hour video to explain what we’ve already known for over half a decade now.

    That being said, I’m glad they’ve come around. Now they should probably apologize to some of the people they’ve hurt.

    1. “Person on the left finally realizes that the stuff the people on the right have been saying about cancel culture for the past six years is true. ”

      Yes, but it always proceeds from them having been “cancelled” themselves. They should apologize to all of the people they’ve hurt, then just go away.

      1. That’s not an uncommon phenomenon when it comes to all sorts of political beliefs and behaviors. Variations of “the shoe is now on the other foot” and “hoisted by your own petard” are common saying, after all.

        I disagree that this person should just “go away.” We need more people on the left to criticize the left’s cultural destructiveness.

        It doesn’t really matter to me what spurred someone to see the light, all that matters is that they did see the light. Now they should go spread it and convince their friends and followers to be better people too.

  29. Wow, what is his claim to fame? Being slightly more reasonable and intelligent than the rest of his crowd of perverts?
    I watched one of his videos where he sophistically claimed it was the conservatives who were chimping out over pronouns, not his sex change crowd’s. Apparently just commenting about some deluded egotistical whack job freaking out over his phony pronoun obsession mean you are obsessed, not him

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