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The Monsey Attack Shows Anti-Semitic Violence Isn't Always Tied to the Far Right

Many ideological extremes are responsible for anti-Jewish attacks.

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The Jewish community of New York City is reeling after a string of alleged hate crimes, including vandalism targeting Jewish institutions and a horrific Saturday night attack on a rabbi's home in the suburb of Monsey that left several people seriously wounded.

The alleged assailant, Grafton Thomas, entered the rabbi's home shortly after 10:00 p.m. during the seventh night of Hannukkah and began slashing people with a longsword.

Thomas's motivations are unknown, and friends report that he is mentally ill. But he is an African American man, which means that he probably wasn't motivated by white supremacy, a connection to the alt-right, or a fondness for the rhetoric of President Donald Trump—all of which are often posited as explanations for a purported spike in anti-Semitism in recent years.

Last May, when I testified before the U.S. House of Representatives' Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties about a supposed rise in white nationalism and hate crimes, I cautioned against hyperbolic interpretations of the data that would cause policymakers to be overly fearful. Indeed, the perpetrators of these attacks often do not fit the profile of the kind of MAGA-worshipping alt-right terrorist that the House subcommittee hearing was so worried about, particularly in New York City, where so many of the recent incidents have taken place. "The overwhelming majority of the alleged perpetrators in New York are either black or Hispanic, and casting anti-Semitism as an issue pitting Jews against various other minority groups threatens to re-agitate problems that many in the Jewish and surrounding communities hope no longer exist," wrote Tablet's Armin Rose in a July piece about anti-Semitism in New York City.

Though far-right anti-Semitism is the most familiar type for a media obsessed with finding the anti-Trump angle to every news story, there is indeed plenty of contempt for Jewish people on all ideological and racial-identity-based extremes. Campus leftism is sometimes tinged with anti-Semitism, and progressive activists have often associated with known anti-Semites. The Jersey City shooters had a connection to the Black Hebrew Israelites, a black nationalist cult best known for precipitating the Covington incident.

This is not to say that Thomas, by virtue of being black, is a likely member of the group or an activist for a leftist or black nationalist cause. In fact, it would be unsurprising if he had no broader motivation. Murder is usually non-ideological: Just a tiny number of killings each year can be credibly connected to a political agenda.

"There is little evidence that these attacks are ideologically motivated, at least in terms of the ideologies of hate we are most familiar with," wrote Batya Ungar-Sargon in Forward

The left shouldn't ignore anti-Semitism when its perpetrators are inconvenient targets who contradict the progressive doctrine of intersectionality—a doctrine that grants sainthood to the marginalized while glossing over very real infighting among different historically oppressed groups. The same goes for the right, which often turns a blind eye to anti-Semitism among its own ranks.

And everybody should make sure that they aren't succumbing to unfounded panic in general. It's right to be very concerned, and very angry, about attacks and intimidation directed at Jewish people, but we should also demand more reporting—and more accurate reporting—about the scale of the problem. Nationally, it's not clear that anti-Semitic violence is rising dramatically, since tallies often include anti-Semitic taunts, schoolyard bullying, and online writings. And while anti-Semitic incidents have increased in New York City by 53 percent—from 111 incidents to 170—from 2018 to 2019, according to the NYPD, the overwhelming majority of anti-Semitic incidents are classified by police as "criminal mischief," which typically means vandalism and graffiti. Just 13 percent of incidents involved violence.

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  1. But he is an African American man, which means that he probably wasn’t motivated by white supremacy, a connection to the alt-right, or a fondness for the rhetoric of President Donald Trump—all of which are often posited as explanations for a purported spike in anti-Semitism in recent years.

    You can tell people’s thoughts by their skin color? Cool trick!

    1. Oh come on now, let’s be fair… Or are you just yanking our chains?

      How many blacks ideologically follow a part line of “non-blacks are better than blacks”?

      How many Americans ideologically follow a part line of “non-Americans are better than Americans”?

      Democrats who follow “non-Democrats are better than we are”?

      Trump ball-lickers who adore non-Trump ball-lickers?

      Tribe XYZ who adores ALL tribes except Tribe XYZ? (OK, yeah, Marxist morons on college campus, products of the Western Euro-World who hate the Western Euro-World, gotcha… These are the idiot exceptions to the rule that prove the rule, IMHO. They’ll fade away soon enough).

      Anyway, sociobiology-wise, “the other tribe is better than our tribe” never was a good strategy to leave more offspring, in our ancestry. Chauvinism and intolerance is a sad by-product of all of this, but it is what it is. Let’s be honest…

      1. You’re misinterpreting “Group X doesn’t want to associate with/live close to Group Y.” as “Group X thinks they are ‘better’ than Group Y.” In other words, you’re projecting your immature thought patterns onto others.

        1. I am a member of human tribe XYZ, and I really, really, REALLY deeply respect (even adore and worship, at times) human tribe MQW. Certainly more than my own tribe = XYZ. But I want to stay with my own XYZ tribe, and I do NOT want ANY of tribe MQW living next to MEEE!!!

          Please provide me with a prevalent example of the above, and then I will respect your argument.

          1. Today’s white Progressives.
            What do I Win?

            1. Today’s white Progressives object to not-their-tribe members living next door? Attempted example clearly failed!

              1. Today’s white Progressives object to not-their-tribe members living next door?

                Oh, you better believe it. Take it from a moderately conservative gay man: white progressives are vicious and nasty towards anybody who doesn’t fully embrace their ideology; and they get even more vicious if you are from one of the groups they presume to speak for.

                1. With their words, sure.

                  With their LAWS and support of laws? When and where, recently, have white progs tried to outlaw having people “not of their kind” (not white progs) live next door to them?

                  It ain’t a happenin’ here and now!!!

                  1. You claimed that white progressives didn’t “object” to people outside their tribe living next door. Yes, they do object. Not only do they object, they discriminate, ostracize, and even vandalize people outside their tribe. Viciously and frequently.

                    Thanks for admitting that you have lost the argument by now trying to bring up the red herring of whether they pass laws reflecting their objections; we weren’t discussing that.

                    1. Citations please on white progs outlawing (or trying to outlaw) people “with cooties” (unlike them) from living next door.

                    2. Why should I provide citations for your delusional claims?

                    3. Because you’d like to at least TRY to be well-informed, and grounded in facts? Or at least APPEAR to other readers, to be such a critter?

                    4. The question to NOYB2 is: why are you trying to have a reasonable discussion with a psychopath squirrel?

                    5. SQRLSY One acts like a lot of psychopaths one has to deal with in real life. It’s a good place to practice, and much as he wants to, he can’t get physically violent here.

              2. “Today’s white Progressives object to not-their-tribe members living next door?”

                Revealed preference.

                The white progressives who can afford it live in white progressive enclaves.

                They *say* a great many things. Their *choices* reveal their actual preferences.

          2. You’re suffering from a false dichotomy, believing that either you “deeply respect a group” or “consider yourself better”.

            Many groups are simply different from each other, bridging those differences takes time and effort, and it’s simply not worth it; no judgement is involved in there in either direction.

            1. “…believing that either you “deeply respect a group” or “consider yourself better” ”

              What a supreme strawman! I am simply saying that these two don’t go together! If I REALLY respect you in ALL ways, I will ***NOT*** consider myself better than you! WHY is THAT so hard to understand?

              I said about knee-jerk tribalism “…Chauvinism and intolerance is a sad by-product of …” (of said instinctual tribalism), and you take this broad-minded statement of mine, and proceed to slam me for

              “You’re misinterpreting “Group X doesn’t want to associate with/live close to Group Y.” as “Group X thinks they are ‘better’ than Group Y.” In other words, you’re projecting your immature thought patterns onto others.”

              A clearly ideological-blindness-based type of projection on YOUR part! Your posting history clearly shows you to be a hater of illegal sub-humans!

              If you have humility and a love of fellow humans, you do NOT consider yourself better than others! If we must kill a murderer, so be it, at times, but it is done out of love for ourselves, or the love of others that we protect from the murderer! Hatred of the murderer does no good to anyone! Hatred corrodes the vessel that holds it! It may sound like a hair-splitting distinction here, but motives count for a lot!

              You’re actually projecting YOUR feelings of hatred towards illegal sub-humans onto me, is what is REALLY going on here! Because of your thoughts, that you cannot defend!

              1. If you have humility and a love of fellow humans, you do NOT consider yourself better than others!

                I do not consider myself better than others. At the same time, I’m indifferent to the lives of all but maybe a couple of hundred of the people on this planet. I neither hate those others nor love them; but I certainly don’t want to pay taxes to support them.

                It’s self-righteous fools like you who pretend to care about people they don’t know.

                1. For generation upon generation, in SOME families, mom-dad beats the shit out of Jr. So Jr. grows up and beats the shit out of the next generation. “If it was good enough for my Dad, it’s good enough for my sons”. The abuse goes on, generation upon generation. “So was it done to me, and I turned out awesomely cool, and so, so must it be done to the others.” It is NO way to make progress! Enlightened folks look on, puzzled, saying, “WTF”?

                  You had to fill out ten billion forms to become a LEGAL immigrant. You still face possible deportation for “lying” on your forms, if ICE determines that you said you have green eyes, while they say you have hazel-green eyes… Or you made a typo concerning your birthday, by one day. “So was it done to me, and I turned out awesomely cool, and so, so must it be done to the others.” You adamantly INSIST that the same thing MUST be done to the next wave of immigrants, lest they become illegal sub-humans, polluting our purity! Enlightened folks look on, puzzled, saying, “WTF”?

                  And I am the self-righteous fool! Go figure!

                  1. Well, with your repeated insults and patronizing attitude, we have certainly established that you hate me and that you consider me “sub human”. Typical of progressives.

                    1. 100% correct. This troll is a clown.

                    2. No defenses of your stance, at the end of the day, as usual. And straw-man defenses, as usual. I do NOT consider you sub-human at ALL! I merely consider you to be an evil and self-righteous human, to whatever extent you are going into your hatred of illegal immigrants, known to your kind (whether admitted or not, by you and your kind) as “illegal sub-humans”. Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

                    3. You lost idiot. And I didn’t even have to get involved and embarrass you again.

                    4. No defenses of your stance, at the end of the day

                      I don’t have a “stance” to “defend”. I’m simply telling you my motivation and that of many others: we don’t “hate” illegal aliens or foreign cultures, we simply don’t want anything to do with them. It’s indifference, not hate.

                      I do NOT consider you sub-human at ALL!

                      Well, I certainly consider you an ignorant bigot.

      2. How many blacks ideologically follow a part[y] line of “non-blacks are better than blacks”?

        An elderly black friend of mine does. And that the lighter the skin and eyes, the better.

        1. But he also thinks God is evil and toys with mankind for cruel amusement.

          1. Mmmm… Sort of checks out.

        2. Actually, a preference for lighter skin is widespread; you find that even in Brazil, for example.

          1. Much the same in SE Asia. All those women you see wearing face masks aren’t doing it for health reasons. It’s all about staying as pale as possible.

        3. A famous entertainer, Michael Jackson, spent a considerable portion of his considerable wealth to alter what he looked like for all his early life: a charming African-American/Black young man.
          He was under no compulsion of any kind to alter his image.

        4. Uncle Ruckus?

      3. (OK, yeah, Marxist morons on college campus, products of the Western Euro-World who hate the Western Euro-World, gotcha… These are the idiot exceptions to the rule that prove the rule, IMHO. They’ll fade away soon enough)

        They’ve been around since Duranty’s time and show no signs of fading away.

      4. ….says Hillary’s ball-licker.

      5. { How many blacks ideologically follow a part line of “non-blacks are better than blacks”?

        Every one who registers Democrat, a party which holds to the doctrine that requiring voters to show ID disenfranchises minorities.

    2. Some men have vaginas, some women have penises, some White Supremacists are black

      1. +1 Clayton Bigsby.

        1. +1 Uncle Ruckus

    3. Haha. Does this mean that all of the various grievance groups cannot find common cause as victims to come together and blame whitey for everything? That they may in fact, be flawed themselves? Well, I’ll be darned!

      Nah, wait, that can’t be right.

  2. Thomas’s motivations are unknown, and friends report that he is mentally ill.

    WRONG. He was an adherent to and motivated by an ideology opposite to my own.

    1. Journal entries and on on-line searches indicate he was deeply antisemitic and radicalized by Black Nationalist hate groups, of which SPLC is tracking 264.

  3. All things in life involve Trump.

    1. Which is pretty Trumptastic when you think about it.

  4. “…probably wasn’t motivated by white supremacy, a connection to the alt-right, or a fondness for the rhetoric of President Donald Trump” So memory hole this one, the one before, and probably the one before that. Wait till they can run with the “anti-Trump angle”

  5. Honestly, as an American Jew, I never, ever, ever thought I would ever have to worry in this country. The fact that we are dealing with antisemitism in 2019 is just mind-blowing to me.

    Regardless of motivation or politics, it is wrong.

    1. All violence is wrong (well, except for self-defense, etc). What makes you think violence motivated by bigotry in general, or specifically anti-semitism, is worse?

      Dead is dead. Injured is injured. The motivation doesn’t make it worse or slow down the healing, unless you are a snowflake or paranoid.

      1. Dude…it is frickin medieval. Really….in 2019? In America? C’mon.

        1. it is frickin medieval. Really….in [1933]? In [Germany]? C’mon.

          I strongly suspect this exact thing was said in many households at that time. “We are the nation of Bach, Goethe, Beethoven, such a thing could not possibly happen here.”

          My point is people really do not change all that much, and looking at the scope of history that was only 86 years ago; well within one persons life time.

          The purpose of my reply is not to instill fear or excessive concern [we already have enough hyperbole among us] but that we should never assume nothing bad can happen to any of us. My response to this is to support a Constitutional Republic and the Constitution and Declaration of Independence upon which it is founded. I know of no better way to thwart an ascendancy of hate.

          1. Good points, agreed!

            I have read more than my fair share of NAZI-era personal-style histories. Above and beyond just over-respecting the supposedly “civilized” ways of German culture… In case after case, Jewish individuals (respected doctors & other professionals, respected neighbors, respected WW I decorated Jewish-German war veterans) thought (said), “Well, yes, I see the building hatred and persecution of Jews, but, ME? Nah! They like and respect me! I’ll stay here, not flee!” They didn’t attempt to flee (even though many of them had the ways and means to flee), until after it was entirely, sadly too late…

            1. It really has little to do with Judaism. “Respected doctors and other professionals” then as now have an affinity towards technocratic, elitist, and collectivist ideologies, because they see themselves as part of the ruling elite.

              That’s why successful members of different minorities tend to support such ideologies, then and now. Once those ideologies get into power, they start murdering people, and then it’s too late.

              Keep in mind that the Nazis were reasonably tolerant of homosexuality until they got into power.

              1. The original leader [Rahm] of the SA being a case in point. But I believe the long knives did him in.

              2. Yup. Their militant wing, the SA, were led by homosexuals (and possibly pedophiles) like Ernst Rohm. Once Hitler was able to achieve the level of power he felt he needed and consolidated party authority by murdering all of his rivals on the Night of the Long Knives, the homosexuals went right into the disfavored camp.

                The technocrats who think they’ll be in control of these ideologies they advocate usually end being catastrophically wrong. Power in authoritarian governments and parties generally goes to the person who is the most brutal and willing to kill their competition. And then those technocrats end up on a rail car or in a prison camp because they’re not ruthless enough to have built a following that will protect them, but are outspoken enough that they pose a threat to leadership.

          2. QUT…A comparison of Germany is neither useful, nor accurate. Here is why I say this. One, the German culture was/is more conducive to authoritarianism than ours in America. Two, German history for a millennia has multiple examples of autocrats with absolute power; we have none. Three, our culture does not tolerate authoritarianism very well at all (we did after all fight a revolution and win it).

            America has been an oasis of tranquility for us. A land of milk and honey. I love my country more than my life itself. The highest ideals of our country are worth sacrificing our lives for. Something changed. Antisemitic violence is worsening, and frankly I find it unbelievable. That is the medieval aspect in all of this. It is rooted in irrational hatred and you’d think we would have progressed just a smidgen in the last 3,500 years. Now I don’t think it could ever get that drastic, meaning as Jews we would have to flee, or fight for our very lives.

            Punishment for antisemitic violence must be swift and certain; that is the most effective way I can think of to stop what we see. My personal attitude is: Think whatever antisemitic thoughts you want; I don’t care. Hell, even say whatever antisemitic bullshit you want to say; I don’t care, but I’ll be wary and watchful. However, cross the line to antisemitic violence, and that is it; you’ll be caged like an animal or executed for murder (nevermind life in prison).

            I mean, if all else fails – there is Israel. That is an absolute last option. Not an option I want to exercise – ever.

            1. 1. Buy a gun.
              2. Learn how to use gun.
              3. Develop the will to use gun.

              1. Yes. But doing that in the People’s Republic of NJ is damned near impossible.

                1. If you have a clean record, getting a FID card is difficult in some jurisdictions. It’s not impossible.

                  When my brother applied for his FID, the police tried to delay by saying they needed more time. He let them know that if he didn’t get the card in the required 90-day period, he’d call a lawyer on day 91.

                  He didn’t need to call the lawyer.

                  1. And that’ll last right up until they start doing seizures. Putting your name on a state record for firearms is just broadcasting that your house is where they should search first once they stop pretending they care about the Constitution or the rule of law.

                    1. Unfortunately, you can’t purchase a firearm in NJ without one.

                      And since possessing plans for 3-D printed guns is a felony in NJ, I think we can say they Constitution has been ruled null and void here.

                    2. Which is why many have made the philosophical argument that of course we don’t need anything more than a handgun or shotgun for personal defense…. Right up until you need something a lot more militant. And the way you know you need something more is precisely when that something more is denied to you – because by the time you need it possession will already be banned, but the banning of possession is itself the indicator that you need one.

                      Which puts us into a catch 22 – sure, I’ll agree to a machine gun ban so long as we can get them back if the government decides to go totalitarian on the populace. But won’t a totalitarian government renege on the agreement to hang on to all machine guns until needed? Isn’t that almost a tautology?

                2. I agree with your reply Commenter about the difference between Germany and the US; what I do not agree with is that people have changed all that much in 3500 years…given the right conditions and pressures, they can revert to primitive very very fast.

                  I especially agree with your stance on ideology vs action [crime].

                  I second Unicorn’s advice. We must all assume a degree of responsibility for our safety, as I don’t particularly like the idea of the police showing up once a crime has been committed against me…

                  1. Yeah, I am fine with owning a gun. I wish that I could. Unfortunately, because I participate in our state MMP, I am ineligible for a license on the federal side. Although I am in complete compliance with NJ state law, I have run afoul off federal law. My second amendment right to bear arms was the casualty. A workaround to a handgun (or rifle) is a handheld crossbow. 🙂

                    All kidding aside…..I live in NJ. I grew up here. My roots are here. Yeah, the politicians here are just stupid AF, I get that. Yeah, I say I live in the People’s Republic of NJ. But for all of that, this is my home. I do not wish to leave it. But I must tell you, some of the politicians here are truly something to behold.

                    1. Under federal law may may still be able to possess a black powder pistol, rifle, or shotgun. State laws on this often vary, but felons can carry most muzzle loaders under federal law.

                      Not quite as good as modern weapons for self defense, but plenty of fun nonetheless, and being shot with a 50-75 caliber ball at 800 feet per second is worse than being shot with a .45ACP at 950 fps. Or you could just go with a percussion cap revolver in .44 that you can pick up for a couple of hundred bucks and no background check.

                      The big advancement in firearms is in repeatability and long range accuracy, not short range stopping power.

                    2. I wonder how many of the slim majority that passed the Nevada background check scheme would have done so if they had been told that their medical marijuana card made them a prohibited possessor under Federal law . . .for LIFE.

                3. Honestly, XY, the best advice I can give you is “move somewhere not run by Democrats”. And never, ever, vote for a Democrat, no matter how “moderate” they claim themselves to be.

                  The current Democratic Party is not only dominated by socialists, it’s also dominated by people who have (for some bizarre reason understood only by them) chosen to identify with radical Islamist anti-Semites. They’re flocking to the BDS movement, they’re backing anti-Semitic hate-mongers like “The Squad”, and they’re tying themselves to authoritarian forms of government that will work out very poorly for anyone disfavored by the collective running the show (who are strongly anti-Semitic).

                  Only thing you can do if you can’t arm yourself is move to someplace that you can.

                  1. Do you suggest those worried about anti-Semitism should vote for the Republicans, you bigoted, half-educated clinger?

                    1. I think they are suggesting that everything democrats touch goes terribly wrong, so avoid them like the plague. Sound advice, Rev.

                    2. Well Arty, despite what Robby says, anti Semitism is the exclusive province of the left. Just like most evil things.

                    3. Well, they should definitely not vote for the party of eugenics, segregation, and scientific racism

                    4. Kuckland…if you ever get off your fat ass when Trump wins and try to start that revolution you’re always implying you want, I greatly look forward to seeing you chucked out of a helicopter over the ocean with the rest of the leftist scum.

                      Pinochet may have been a brutal dictator, but he was right about how to deal with commies. And it will be nice not to have to see your keyboard diarrhea spewed about this forum.

                4. 4. Move out of New Jersey.

                  1. Georgia has CCW but you can wear non-concealed firearm without a permit.

                    1. Stopped in a Kroger off North Druid after poker one night to get a gallon of milk. It was 1230 or 1 am. Only 1 other customer, a guy with a whole basketful of groceries. He was in the middle of unloading them onto the belt, but saw I only had the one thing so offered to let me go ahead. It was very polite. And strapped to his thigh he had a highly visible holstered gun.

                    2. AZ has unlicensed concealed carry (it also has permitted CCW, which buys certain perks). The trick is to find something you can stand carrying when it’s 110 plus.

                    3. Given how SWAT executed that young guy a few years ago for just having a pistol in his hotel room, I would be reluctant to reveal I was in possession of a firearm I’m that state.

          3. Medieval? So is insular tribalism based on religious allegiance.

            I abhor violence and stereotyping people based on imagined group characteristics. But I am also certain that tribalism begets tribal (and anti-tribal) feelings and actions.

    2. Well, start worrying.
      If fascism is corporate ownership of the means of production, with the government controlling the corporations, we are already 18% of the way there (healthcare). And fascism has historically been anti-semitic. Note that the most famous fascists, Mussolini and Hitler, were anti-semitic.
      Time to look again at exactly what is implied in “never again”, and which US political party want you disarmed.

      1. “If fascism is corporate ownership of the means of production”

        Why bother reasoning any further when you’re starting from a false premise?

        1. There were no corporations in Germany or Italy?

          1. Fascism isn’t corporate ownership of the means of production. Economically, fascism consists of the government, rather than taking open ownership of the means of production, (As in communism.) regulating the nominal owners to the point where they become de facto government employees, running “their” businesses for the government.

            It’s basically just communism that’s smart enough to delegate the day to day operation to people who know what they’re doing.

            Corporations make this a bit more convenient for the fascist government, but you can have corporations without fascism, and I suppose you could have fascism without corporations, too.

        2. Fascism controlled, but did not own, means of production.

          Ownership would be it’s first cousin, communism, and it’s “soft” relative socialism. Both equally totalitarian and therefore inimical to personal freedom.

          1. Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany

            The Nazis nationalized all sorts of businesses, especially 1943-45.

            Deutsche Reichsbahn (German Railways)

            Some private business could remain private if they cooperated with the Nazi regime. In return, the Nazis banned all unions and strikes and provided slave labor.

            1. But………but……..Nazis are RIGHT wing!!!!!!!!!

            2. Not quite.

              The NSDAP banned all existing unions, then required all members of skilled trades to join the one they created, making it the largest union in European history.

      2. And fascism has historically been anti-semitic. Note that the most famous fascists, Mussolini and Hitler, were anti-semitic.

        Mussolini wasn’t particularly anti-semitic. Italy’s race laws were passed only in 1938 in response to Italy’s alliance with Germany.

    3. Who needs the Monsey attack to show that?

      The leader of the worst anti-Jewish riot in US history has a show on MSNBC, and Democratic presidential candidates regularly kiss his ring. That’s proof enough of lefty antisemitism for anyone who isn’t a deliberate lying scumbag apologist for outright evil.

      1. Ooops, that was supposed to be an independent post.

    4. Yup xy

      And here we are. In the so called cradle of western civilization it is worse.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/after-monsey-will-jews-go-underground/604219/

      1. Lipstadt is an amazing woman, Echospinner. A heroine of our people.

        I won’t wear a kippah in public anymore. I am cutting back my commutes to NYC. It is no longer safe for Jews anymore in NYC.

    5. With elected officials lending rhetorical support to the MANY Black Nationalist hate groups, attacks on Jews go hand in hand with attacks conservatives and the 1%. Schools are teaching that violence is an appropriate response to speech you don’t like so expect violence by the left to increase, not decrease.

      SPLC is now tracking 264 violent left leaning Black Nationalist groups, defined as anti-white and anti-Jew, although SPLC is quick to state that the genesis of these groups is a response to whitey’s systemic racism.

      1. The SPLC is, itself, a Terrorist Organization.

  6. “Many ideological extremes are responsible for anti-Jewish attacks.”

    Bullshit.

    Ideas aren’t the problem at all. The problem is people who decide to murder their fellow human beings–regardless of the reasons they choose to do so. So long as you don’t murder your fellow human beings or violate their rights any way, ideology is not the issue.

    99.99% of white supremacists never murder anybody. 99.99% of deep ecologists never perpetrate arson. 99.99% of Muslims never engage in suicide bombings. The problem isn’t these ideologies. The problem is people murdering each other–regardless of ideology.

    The suggestion that ideology is a problem that should be addressed by government or government policy is disgusting, stupid, and anti-libertarian. Using the government to control people’s behavior is the definition of authoritarianism. Using the government to control people’s ideology is the definition of totalitarianism. Anyone who thinks the government should address the problem of some ideology is not a libertarian.

    The purpose of the Second Amendment is to keep the general population armed and well practiced with the use of their arms so that they’ll be ready if it ever becomes necessary for the American people to overthrow an oppressive government–and that is a generally accepted among those who share my libertarian ideology. Do you want the government to do something about our ideology?

    Believe, communicate, and spread any ideology you want. Murder is unacceptable–no matter the ideology.

    1. There’s also the problem that probably 99% of deaths and injury are caused by governments. Said governments murdered 100 million people last century, and continue murdering this century. Putting governments in charge of stopping violence is hiring the fox to guard the chicken coop.

      1. 100% of deaths in surgery are caused by surgeons. That doesn’t mean that getting rid of surgeons is a good idea.

        1. I doubt your figure entirely. Some people just die on their own. Sometimes equipment fails. Nurses can make their own mistakes. Anesthesiologists make mistakes.

          Bad analogy, bud. Try again. Governments fo more evil than private citizens.

          1. “…Governments fo more evil than private citizens.”

            Even allowing the ‘justice’ of WWII, commies killed more innocent people in the 20th century than that war.

          2. If there were no surgeons would there be anyone there for those others to kill?

      2. No. Well over 90% of deaths and injuries are caused by illnesses and accidents. Of those caused by deliberate human action, most are suicides and self-mutilation.

      3. As far as I can see, Robby didn’t come anywhere near suggesting that “ideology is a problem that should be addressed by government or government policy.”

        I think you completely misunderstood his point. Certainly, the problem with people who commit specifically anti-Semitic violence is that they are committing violence. But since they often claim the ideology justifies the violence they are committing, it is perfectly reasonable to state that many ideological extremes are responsible for the acts. It’s certainly possible that a few/some/many/all of these violence-committing people wouldn’t have committed their anti-Semitic violence absent the ideology. It’s also possible that they would have anyway. And there’s no way to know whether they would or wouldn’t, or what the proportions are. But because he’s talking about anti-Semitic violence, and anti-Semitism almost always has some kind of ideological basis, what’s bullshit is to try to claim that the his statement in that sentence is anything but factual.

        The only *possible* quibble is whether or not the number of different ideologies meets a reasonable person’s definition of “many”. Especially since he said attacks, rather than murders. Which gives a far greater number of events to apportion the many among, and increases the possibility that some portion of them would not have occurred in the absence of the ideology. But that still doesn’t mean he thinks the ideology should be suppressed, policed, monitored, etc. in any way.

    2. Believe, communicate, and spread any ideology you want. Murder is unacceptable–no matter the ideology.

      I agree.

    3. Mr. Shultz is right. Mere patterns of likes and dislikes aren’t the problem, hotheads are. Such “-isms” as antisemitism don’t increase the violence in the world, they just redirect it. You think if people like this hothead weren’t slashing Jews, he wouldn’t be slashing anyone?

      1. Fuck off SQRLSY.

        1. Tulpa-Satan is offended by anyone who objects to senseless violence. Tulpa-Satan going postal in 5, 4, 3, 2…

    4. While that’s true, if only 0.01% of a group commit murder, that’s about four times the average “murderer” rate. (Which is roughly 0.0025%.)

      OK, I’m being picky, but there is a point here. You’ve probably put too many 9’s on that percentage, and your point gets less impressive if it’s “only” 99.9%, because society actually relies on there being one or two more 9’s present.

      So, while we really do have to keep in mind that most members of this or that group are going to be innocent, it still matters if the group has an elevated probability of murderous behavior, because that drives the overall murder rate.

    5. Not quite.

      Overthrowing an oppressive government is only one of many facets of providing for the security of a free state, thus only one of the reasons for the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

  7. “The purpose of the Second Amendment is to keep the general population armed and well practiced with the use of their arms so that they’ll be ready…”

    Not overthrow the government level, but the church shooting in Texas yesterday is a very good example of the benefits of being armed and ready. A few more of these and church shootings will no longer be a problem unless the perp wants to commit “suicide by sanctuary”

    1. Yeah, that’s more about the right of self-defense, but if those volunteers hadn’t armed themselves and weren’t well practiced with the use of their weapons, we would not be enjoying better headlines about that shooting.

      Some of the early headlines about that story last night seemed to suggest that the problem was that Texas had recently passed laws allowing people to conceal carry in churches, etc.–as if the murderer wouldn’t have brought a gun into the church if Texas hadn’t made it legal to do so.

      As the facts came out, those story-lines seem to have changed. It certainly makes sense that individual churches should be free to set their own policies in their own churches as they see fit, and it certainly appears that choosing to assign some people in the church as volunteer armed security is something congregations that have good reason to worry might consider doing what this church did.

      Because we can’t violate the Second Amendment rights of people who haven’t done anything wrong yet in a free society, at least not until after they’ve committed a murder, that doesn’t mean there isn’t anything we can do to protect ourselves, discourage mass shootings, and limit the damage when the worst possible thing happens. I understand these choices are tough and they involve the conflicting qualitative preferences for safety of a congregation with hundreds of individuals, but I can’t imagine why the government making choices for a congregation would be better than the choices that congregation makes for itself.

      1. The spin on these events is fascinating.

        None of the corporate media mentioned the race of the antisemitic attacker at first.

        And the shooting in Texas was indeed portrayed as “see this is what happens when you allow guns in churches”.

        Not even Soviet propaganda, low quality as it was, was that transparent.

        1. On those initial headlines, it was hard to tell whether they were distorting the facts on purpose or they were just skewed by the news outlets’ preexisting biases. We all tend to see what we want to see.

          I’m not sure which is worse.

          If they’re purposely trying to skew the facts, then they may be liars, but at least they’re capable of seeing the truth. If you’re incapable of perceiving reality–even if you want to–then from a news distribution standpoint, that may be worse.

          1. ” If you’re incapable of perceiving reality–even if you want to–then from a news distribution standpoint, that may be worse.”

            It’s psychosis.
            On a mass, hivemind scale

          2. they were distorting the facts on purpose or

            and

            they were just skewed by the news outlets’ preexisting biases.

            These are the same thing.

            They distort the facts to make them amenable to their existing biases.

            Their pre-existing bias is to lie in service to prevailing leftist orthodoxy in order to aid the endless quest for power.

          3. There is a concrete recognition of and submission to the Social Justice Grievance Totem Pole by Jorno-lists.
            Full Stop.

        2. Not even Soviet propaganda, low quality as it was, was that transparent.

          You are correct. It’s all in the narrative and nothing outside or against the narrative. To paraphrase Il Duce.

        3. And this is what you get when you allow swords in temples.

        4. As a result of reporting (either because they don’t have the facts, or they don’t use them), many people believe white shooters commit a significantly larger percentage of shootings than their numbers in society suggest. When they don’t report the race at all, people assume they’re white. And even if they report a non-white shooter’s race later on, there will be some significant portion of people who have already assumed the shooter was white, but have stopped paying attention to the story any more.

      2. “…Because we can’t violate the Second Amendment rights of people who haven’t done anything wrong yet in a free society, ”

        And that is where you, and I, diverge from the progressive dystopians. Their solution is less guns the better, so the less any one can have or carry them the safer we will all be. Or as one still prominent Democrat put it, “If I’d had the votes I’d have said turn em’ all in, Mr. and Mrs America.”

        My response is that if guns are outlawed, then we will move along the next player space in the progressive game, and be faced and respond to knife violence as it happening in GB now; so much so that the following has ensued:

        https://reason.com/2019/10/07/the-u-k-must-ban-pointy-knives-says-church-of-england/

        And already such tools as hammers and screw drivers may result in a police question as to your legitimate need for them.

        1. Yeah, I’m willing to stand on the line that we shouldn’t violate anyone’s rights–from a libertarian perspective or otherwise–especially if they haven’t committed a crime.

          The problem with gun control is that violates the rights of people who have never done anything wrong. There are 100 million gun owners in America who have never shot anyone, never pointed a gun at anyone, and never violated anyone’s rights with a gun–so on what basis can we justify violating their rights?

          You can’t charge them with a legitimate crime because they haven’t violated anyone’s rights–and yet you want the government to violate their rights anyway?

          It’s necessary for them to dehumanize gun owners as non-rights holders before they can get the critical mass necessary to violate all those people’s rights.

          1. As Obama put it, “we need a change in society before we can successfully accomplish gun control” [paraphrase]

    2. Or, as I saw the other day, “Deacontamination.”

  8. he is an African American man, which means that he probably wasn’t motivated by white supremacy, a connection to the alt-right, or a fondness for the rhetoric of President Donald Trump

    OTOH, friends report that he is mentally ill.

    1. If he did support white supremacy, that would confirm mental illness.

    2. So, is he a Muslim?

  9. Thomas’s motivations are unknown, and friends report that he is mentally ill. But he is an African American man, which means that he probably wasn’t motivated by white supremacy, a connection to the alt-right, or a fondness for the rhetoric of President Donald Trump—all of which are often posited as explanations for a purported spike in anti-Semitism in recent years.

    Vox writers are furiously researching his past to find out anything less than pure hatred for Trump, including having once watched an episode of Apprentice. So they haven’t totally ruled out his being right-wing yet.

  10. Sargon of Akkad posted a video addressing this subject yesterday.

    ‘Many’ ideological extremes my ass.

  11. “There is little evidence that these attacks are ideologically motivated, at least in terms of the ideologies of hate we are most familiar with,” wrote Batya Ungar-Sargon in Forward.

    Journalists are so used to seeing anti-semitic attacks done by right wingers that it’s not even news, I guess that must be why they never report it.

  12. “slashing people with a longsword”

    A demented LARPer?

  13. WHEN WILL WE HAVE COMMON SENSE LONGSWORD CONTROL LAWS?

    1. Not as far fetched as you might think:

      https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

    2. Nobody needs a weapon that long, or that stiff!

  14. It’s a mistake to dismiss Drumpf’s role in this tragedy. I mean, we’re talking about someone who literally said neo-Nazis are “very fine people.” He’s emboldened extremists, and it’s no surprise the SPLC has documented a rise in hate crimes coinciding with the launch of his Presidential campaign.

    Allow self-described menstrual cup aficionado Mairav Zonszein to explain:

    Just to be clear, I hold the Trump White House directly responsible for the increasing violent attacks on Orthodox Jewish people in America.

    #Resist

    1. Indeed! Let’s not forget Trumpism transformed two Nigerian brothers into MAGA-worshipping alt-right terrorists who attacked Black and Gay and Jewish Jussie Smollett on that cold cold night in old Chicago.

      1. Also French, don’t forget French.

  15. “Though far-right anti-Semitism is the most familiar type for a media obsessed with finding the anti-Trump angle to every news story, there is indeed plenty of contempt for Jewish people on all ideological and racial-identity-based extremes. Campus leftism is sometimes tinged with anti-Semitism, and progressive activists have often associated with known anti-Semites.”

    If by far right you mean the KKK and neo-Nazis, then I see no difference with them and ‘far-left’ like Labour or progressive or any other left-wing ideology including socialists are anti-semites. They’re all jerk offs.

    But take it outside these extremes, which side is likely to have anti-semitism in its ranks in the mainstream?

    I argue it’s the progressive left. And it’s not even a contest in my view.

    1. Socialists murdered 100 million people last century. Even if you incorrectly switch Hitler’s National Socialists to the right wing, left wingers still murdered far more people than left wingers. And lefties like to forget that Stalin also invaded Poland, and more; and that Hitler probably would not have invaded if Hitler hadn’t agreed to invade 10 days before.

      Statists are the problem, and lefties are far more statist than righties.

    2. The KKK is far-left, and basic KKK beliefs and principles are still the core Democrat doctrine. Remember, the Klan originally felt that it was protecting newly-freed blacks from being exploited by Republican carpetbaggers, in the same way they feel that they are protecting blacks from being disenfranchised by voter ID laws.

      Those who actually follow National Socialist philosophies are far-left.

  16. Thomas’s motivations are unknown, and friends report that he is mentally ill. But he is an African American man, which means that he probably wasn’t motivated by white supremacy

    Obviously, it was white supremacy and Trump who denied him the mental health services he obviously needed and was entitled to! Under Obama or Warren or Sanders, this would just not have happened! /sarc

    1. “Which means that he probably wasn’t motivated by white supremacy”.

      Makes you wonder why they brought it up at all. I’m sure it was a virtuous reflex to remind everyone of the “real problem” even though it, um, had nothing to do with this incident.

      Haha. So uniting. Fun times.

  17. So the attack occurs in a far suburb – by someone who lives in a rural area about 10 miles away – who is pretty obviously mentally ill – and this is supposed to be explained in some urban/national context?

  18. The word “racist” is an anti-White slur.

    Self preference and preservation (‘racism’) is accepted as healthy and normal in literally every non-White (90%) community and country across the globe. Whites are uniquely disallowed.

    If you only ask for the same rights to borders, homogeneity, self preference and preservation that other peoples have, anti-Whites will still smear you.

    When does anti-White, one-way ‘diversity’ and open borders end? If not at 10% of the world population, then when? 5%? 0.1%?

      1. Hard to tell from his comment exactly how pro-white he is, as opposed to anti-racism.

        But affirmative action IS pro-black, pro-hispanic, anti-white, anti-Asian racism. Blaming white privilege IS anti-white racism.

        The only way to stop being racist IS to stop being racist. Be color blind or be racist. Lefties are NOT color blind.

        1. I’m 100% pro white, but only before Labor Day.

          1. What is your stance on plaid trousers?

      2. I know of lots of black student unions, but I don’t know of any white ones.

        I know of Black history month, but I’ve never seen a white history month.

        James Brown could sing “I’m Black and Proud, Say It Loud” but good look trying to find any racial equivalent of that, outside of 8 chan.

  19. The argument I heard over the weekend was that “Trump had made it all right to hate Jews with his anti-Semitism rhetoric.” But no one could point me to his anti-Semitism or to demonstrate that it was “all right” and no one was getting punished for doing these acts.

    1. He’s right wing. That’s sufficient to just assume that he routinely engages in anti-Semitic rhetoric. What did you want, evidence or something?

    2. For every executive order targeting anti-BDS speech, there’s a speech to a roomful of Jews about how all they care about is money or a tweet about how Jews owe him, and Israel, their loyalty.

      I’m not sure that Trump has a clear, consistent, anti-Semitic message, but that’s just like everything else he does – people read into it what they will. I am sure there are plenty of people on the far-right who think he’s in their corner, regardless of where he personally thinks he stands.

      1. This is a fun comment.
        Progressive desperately struggling to fit the fact of a square peg into the hivemind narrative round hole.
        Simon’s existence is just sad

        1. How many sockpuppets do you maintain, and why do you bother?

          1. 0.
            I enjoy pointing out when progressives try to rationalize their bigotry in the face of reality consistently disproving their beliefs.
            Why do you bother trying to maintain your psychotic faith?

            1. I enjoy pointing out when progressives try to rationalize their bigotry in the face of reality consistently disproving their beliefs.

              No, you enjoy petty sniping with baseless insults. It’d be nice to find an actual disagreement here sometime.

              1. You lost. And now you’re crying like a bitch.

                1. You lost.

                  I “lost” what? What are you talking about?

              2. I disagree with the assertion that anti-semitism is caused by WASP oppression.
                I disagree with the assertion that bigots are not responsible for their beliefs, or their actions in service of those beliefs.

                There you go. A twofer.

                1. Summary, bare assertions opposed to strawmen. My lucky day.

                  The history of black anti-Semitism is out there. Track it down and read it.

                  And nowhere have I asserted that black anti-Semites aren’t “responsible” for their beliefs. But we should understand where it comes from, if the goal is to do something to combat it. To hear the Robby’s of the world tell it, this anti-Semitic animus just… is. No logic or ideology or history to it. It just emerges, fully-formed, from the irrational heart of the Nation of Islam, or something.

              3. Maybe. But in your case he’s spot on: you’re projecting your own bigotry and hateful beliefs onto others.

    3. Obamacare is failing because Trump is not making it work!

      Also, they should fucken realize his family IS Jewish.

      Assholes.

    4. And Trump’s daughter Ivanka, plus several of his grandchildren, are all Jewish. The idea that he would be anti Semitic is absurd on it’s face.

      1. It would be absurd if members of the left actually looked at the people they’re accusing. But they don’t, they have these stereotypes in their heads, and they respond to those, instead of the people in front of them.

      2. Unless he’s a self-hating Jew, of course. Don’t forget that trope, which I expect to wheeled out anytime those pesky facts have to be faced.

  20. The Monsey Attack Shows Anti-Semitic Violence Isn’t Always Tied to the Far-Right

    And let us remember that Presidents of the United States are not always named Millard Fillmore. Hey, it’s a true statement! Never mind that it sort of implies that most of them are when that isn’t even remotely true.

  21. Next at Reason: The sun rising every day shows we don’t live in perpetual darkness.

    Thanks for the tip guys!

    1. Perpetual darkness started on 2016. It is known.

      1. I thought it started wit Bezos’ acquisition of WaPo …

  22. Despite the fact that antisemitism is far more acceptable on the mainstream of the Left than it is for the mainstream Right. Much of this is because of Jewish associations with capitalist financial institutions and the Left’s islamophilia. That is not to say it does not exist on the Right, but that those on the right who tend towards hatred of Jews are not allowed in polite company.

    1. ^THIS^

    2. This was also the source of anti Semitism in Nazi German: Nazis identified Jews with bankers and capitalists. Of course, these days, Democrats simply vilify all white males.

  23. This is a fals flag. As we all know only right wing clingers are racist and bigoted. Even if they voted for left wing candidates all their life that’s just a deep cover identity to throw off the progressive betters. That why we non clingers must constantly monitor the thoughts of the right wing to make sure this doesn’t happen

    1. Ok, now you’re finally being more funny than bitter; nice to see some progress on your part with the parody schtick; keep it up!

    2. Had me for a minute…

      1. Just wait; his next post will be completely off the rails…

    3. You need to talk to your alter ego, Arthur L Kirkland. He is a bigoted asshole.

      1. Oh f—; damned lens implants any more I can’t see dick close up…wait

        1. Unless you’re a dermatologist, why would you want to see dick close up?

          1. He’s a specialty tattoo artist.

          2. If I were a dermatologist, I’d be the “all skin but dicks and assholes” kind.

  24. Actually, I thought it was usually the far left that hated the Jews, what with the historical tendency to be merchants and money lenders…

  25. Soave writes like this is something new. I suppose the Crown Heights riots are not on his radar. Why would they be? A twenty-something with no memory and no perspective writes like he’s shedding light on something new.

    Blacks, overall, hate Jews. Not news to anybody living in NYC.

    1. Yankel Rosenbaum cries from the heavens. It is one reason I absolutely despise and abhor Al ‘Slim Shady’ Sharpton. That man has blood on his hands with his incitement of Crown Heights.

      1. A rabbinical student dead because of a grifter hiding behind religion.

        1. And a tax cheat as well. The slimeball Sharpton is a mockery of Christianity.

    2. They, and the Hispanics ain’t real keen on gay people either. It’s not their fault tho. They’ve just been seduced by alt right bigotry.

      Haha.

    3. “A twenty-something with no memory and no perspective writes like he’s shedding light on something new.”

      An apt description of Soave, to be sure.

  26. Didn’t the NY Jewish neighborhoods used to have a vigilante group set up to police their neighborhoods and deal with any folks who wanted to come in and cause trouble? Might be time to bring ’em back

    1. Perhaps they should; I can think of few groups who should have a greater distrust of authority…

    2. The Red Angel Dragnet is patrolling areas of Brooklyn now (+1 if you know the reference)

    3. Didn’t the NY Jewish neighborhoods used to have a vigilante group set up to police their neighborhoods and deal with any folks who wanted to come in and cause trouble?

      They did indeed. The Jewish Defense League was designated as a terror group in 2001. Can’t go that far and it should never, ever get to that point. That said, there are other groups who are committed to defending Jewish lives on the streets and/or in the courts.

    4. They’re still there, with more-or-less official sanction.

      1. Um no, they are not. If you have direct evidence of the JDL and potential actions thereof, I want you to contact the FBI and give it to them immediately. There is no official sanction for the JDL, overtly or covertly.

        1. Not the JDL, but there are Jewish groups who have taken upon themselves to “police” these communities.

          1. Yes, I agree. But they are not JDL. Self-defense is a moral act. When self-defense transforms into “proactive”, violent action which is what the JDL advocated for, it is wrong. There is a reason the JDL was designated as a terror group.

            1. I think I was thinking of the Shomrim, not the JDL.

  27. An article about antisemitism that doesn’t mention the biggest jew haters of all time? How does he do it? (Robby, that is)

  28. No, Robby, we do not need to be informed that leftists can be anti-Jewish. What’s surprising is that this is news to you.

  29. As long as we’re calling for more accurate reporting, we might as well ask that people commenting on black anti-Semitism do so without resorting to bald over-generalizations and over-simplifications that gloss over the complicated shared history of blacks, Muslims, and Jews, within and under a white supremacist imperial hegemony.

    Black anti-Semitism in NYC has deep roots in white-supremacist racial segregation, for instance; and black Muslim embrace of Farrakhan, despite his anti-Semitism, is similarly tied to the Nation of Islam’s long history of building up and representing black America. This is not an anti-Semitism borne, in other words, of ideological commitments to leftist ideology or incipient racial supremacy. It is an anti-Semitism wherein the Jews stand in as a vulnerable proxy for white power, and they receive the animus that black people would otherwise direct at white people. These are the scars of decades, or centuries, of mistreatment at the hands of European powers and their heirs.

    1. “It’s white people’s fault (for being white)”
      -SimonP

      1. Predictable white person whinge is predictable.

        1. To accurately paraphrase is not to whinge

          1. Whingeing about historical facts because you don’t like the conclusions they imply is to whinge.

          2. Whinge about him having your number harder bitch.

      2. “It is the Intergalactic Zorgonian Strawmen that are to be blamed for mis-aligning and impurifying our were-once-brave-and-true, now-distorted brainwaves”.

        -Nadless Nardless

        1. You’re arguing that my paraphrase of Simon’s assertion that black and Muslim anti-semitism is caused by whites is a strawman?

          I find your pathological compulsion to shit on these threads, and further reinforce your reputation as the stupidest poster here, odd.

          1. To accurately paraphrase is not to exhibit pathological compulsions.

          2. Maybe if you did that instead of what you actually do which is shit on threads you wouldn’t get laughed at so much.

            1. Probably a bridge far, far too far for him

            2. Says Tulpa-Satan, the World Champion of Thread-shitting!

          3. “I find your pathological compulsion to shit on these threads, and further reinforce your reputation as the stupidest poster here, odd.”

            You shouldn’t.
            Fucktard Hihn has been shitting on Reason threads for years. It is just what he does … like the fable of The Scorpion and the Frog.

    2. In other words, Jews are actually just white supremacists and their black victimizers are actually just victims of white supremacy so, really, stabbing a bunch of Jews during prayers is a bold act of resistance and a righteous thing to do.

      This is why people despise liberals.

      1. SimonP said:
        “It is an anti-Semitism wherein the Jews stand in as a vulnerable proxy for white power, and they receive the animus that black people would otherwise direct at white people.”

        Perhaps SimonP refers to the common human lust for human scapegoats? Right now, less-rich, less-powerful humans (especially rural humans) in the USA are pissed off, partly because they have a hard time finding good, new jobs (without uprooting their roots and re-locating), as they lose jobs to robots, AI, and workers in other nations. Do we scapegoat AI? Do we scapegoat robots? WHO does Trump scapegoat? Trump and his Trumpistas scapegoat the illegal sub-humans and the non-Americans overseas who “steal R jerbs”!

        WHY is it so hard to understand scapegoating? Especially since we see it in droves today and right here, from Trumpistas?

        1. I see YOU exhibiting the behavior you describe. Don’t see these rural folk doing it

        2. Oh, fuck off, Hihn.

          You scapegoat everyone and their mother as soon as your Thorazine wears off.

      2. If people with poor reading comprehension choose to “despise” “liberals” because they don’t really understand the arguments that “liberals” are making, there’s not much I can do to prevent that.

        School vouchers, maybe?

        I’m not defending anti-Semitic violence of any kind, by any group. I’m just critical of simplistic concern-trolling that ignores the common roots of white and black anti-Semitism, pretending instead that it sets up some rhetorically convenient false equivalence for libertards to hide behind.

        1. It’s probably because you liberals are raving idiots. Stop crying because they understand your argument perfectly and find it mockworthy.

          1. I doubt that very much, coming from the guy who responded to my comment with a sophisticated take like, “Hot stupidity drenched in retard sauce.”

            I’ll believe there are intelligent people here when they behave that way. Empty mockery by geniuses is indistinguishable from empty mockery by ignoramuses, so it doesn’t bother me either way.

    3. “Black anti-Semitism in NYC has deep roots in white-supremacist racial segregation”

      Hot stupidity drenched in retard sauce.

    4. Simon is right. European leftists and American democrats are steeped in racism and anti Semitism.

    5. Next you’re going to blame white folks for widespread black homophobia and anti gay violence, right? Watch SimonP pull another ideological rabbit out of his budenovka.

  30. I’m reading some of the stupid shit Cuomo said yesterday:

    “New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, has called the attack an act of domestic terrorism and said he would propose a state law to address homegrown attacks.

    “Just because they don’t come from another country doesn’t mean that they’re not terrorists, and they should be prosecuted as domestic terrorists because that’s what they are,” the governor said at a news conference Sunday.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hanukkah-attack-suspect-is-mentally-ill-family-says-11577722687?

    By all reports now, the guy that perpetrated the attacks has no known connections to any extremist ideology of any kind, and his family says that he’s been mentally ill for a long time–but he’s never been violent.

    Nevermind the facts, though. Gov. Cuomo is going to use this tragedy as an excuse to introduce more laws against domestic terrorism?!

    What’s wrong with the people of New York? Why do they tolerate politicians like this?

    1. We hate the schmuck as much as you do. NY state and NYC politics are fucked up.

      Cuomo, himself, is trying to burnish his credentials for a national run in 2024, by pushing through massive infrastructure projects and signing “progressive” legislation, provided that enough palms are greased in the process. We’re all forced to watch as the corrupt politicians upstate let him do what he wants.

      1. We hate the schmuck as much as you do.

        No, you obviously do not, or else y’all would have elected Marc Molinaro.

        1. Cuomo wins because he has the support of the suburbs. That’s it. That’s how he wins the primaries, and once he’s the Democratic candidate, the rest of the state’s urban areas fall into line.

          Molinaro was a weak-sauce candidate sent out by his party to lose. Not a serious contender.

    2. Cuomo’s smart! Not dumb like everyone says!

      Now that that’s out of the way – he’s just saying something because he needs to say something. He has no intention of doing anything.

    3. “What’s wrong with the people of New York?”

      What’s wrong with the non-violent mentally ill? That guy couple weeks back steals a gay flag, burns it and is put away? Up to then a non violent mentally ill. Then snap! Now this one kills 5 people, Jews, if that’s not bad enough.

      I suppose many of the ‘non-violent mentally ill’ end up killing themselves, and if they do so without murdering others in the process, nobody comments on a suicide’s past of non-violence.

  31. I keep thinking Reason’s headlines can’t get more retarded but I’m always wrong.

  32. “Isn’t Always Tied to the Far-Right”

    Stop calling Nazis Far-Right. They do not fit on the traditional Left/Right spectrum. They are anti-Jewish and their positions are all based around perceived Jewish influence. They’re anti-capitalist because us Jews are exploiting your country through globalism and free trade. They’re environmentalist because this exploitation depletes natural resources and poisons the earth. They’re anti-central banking because that’s how we control everyone. There isn’t a single principled position held by any Nazi. That’s why they’re so susceptible to trolling. They have to believe batshit insane theories, like the Holocaust being staged, in order to not contradict themselves. None of their positions make any sense, so they have to invent theories where Jews are the bad guy no matter what.

    1. +1 Mizek.

      Speaking of which, why hasn’t that asshole shown up here yet?

      1. I suck at the wording of it and I apologize, but I wasn’t trying to pull a Mizek there. I was just stating from their perspective. Those are the kinds of beliefs that Nazis have.

        1. I understand what you were trying to do. What you said is why I’m surprised that idiot hasn’t shown up.

      2. Misek is celebrating today.
        Myself and family we know how to defend.
        Never again.

    2. I’ve long been curious as to the origin of this “Jewish conspiracy”
      Like, how is it explained?
      Did the Jews come up with this plan hundreds of years ago, or more recently?
      Is there some secret handbook or meetings?
      Because, honestly, if they’ve been pursuing and successfully carrying out this plan for centuries… you really just gotta tip your hat to them.
      Can someone get in on that through conversion?

      1. I’m no expert but from what I’ve experienced with the Stormfront types, they seem to base their theories around ancient and often factually incorrect statements of Jewish belief. Blood sacrifices, Moloch worship, etc. The next logical step they seem to take is the Khazar conspiracy that modern Jews are not descended in any capacity from biblical Jews. In doing so, I think they’re trying to push the narrative that we’re some random tribe of bottom feeders, culturally analogous to something like anti-gypsy stereotypes. Then they’ll talk about how we’ve been expelled from so many nations, as if historical persecution is evidence that we must have been doing something wrong.

        However, this is not where Nazi indoctrination starts. These days, neo-Nazis start by calling out cultural Jews. They will highlight and spam any example of Jewish leftism. Find some stupid article where someone with a Jewish-sounding name or a Jewish ancestor calls for open borders, racial mixing, globalism, non-traditional relationships, lgbt+ ideas, etc. and keep hitting that point home. They’re trying to train you to associate Jew with degenerate. This is the only semblance of anything “right wing” in Nazi movements; often times, they start as social conservatives who don’t like any of the above practices regardless of Judaism.

        Once you make that logical connection, the propagandists will start trying to explain why there are so many Jews doing this and that’s where Nazis really jump the shark. If you think leftists eat their own, you should see how quickly Nazis cannibalize themselves. It’s actually a somewhat popular belief at this point that Hitler was a Jewish agent who perpetrated the Holocaust in order to create pity and sentiment that would assist in the creation of Israel.

        Sometimes I browse these threads to see how Nazis try to attribute everything to Jewish influence and it’s really comical. It’s like they’re not even on the same plane of existence as the rest of us.

    3. Yup.

  33. The Monsey Attack Shows Anti-Semitic Violence Isn’t everTied to the Far-Right

    The actual far right is extremely individualistic. Attacking people based on their membership in a particular group is very collectivist.

    Thank you for playing.

    1. Which is why the far left accurately describes itself as an alternative to the far right. They’ve even shortened their name for that alternative right, just to make it easier to identify.

  34. Here’s a stat we probably won’t see touted in the news media.

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — Barack Obama and Donald Trump are tied this year as the most admired man . . . . Each year since 1948, Gallup has asked Americans to name, in an open-ended fashion, which man and woman living anywhere in the world they admire most. This year’s results are based on a Dec. 2-15 poll.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/273125/obama-trump-tie-admired-man-2019.aspx?

    Yes, it’s true!

    According to Gallup, President Donald Trump is the most admired man in America.

    1. Incidentally, talking to dozens of friends and family over the holidays, Trump should be scared to death of this impeachment. Ukraine this, obstruction that–it’s all anybody wanted to talk about.

      Just kidding. Progressives, right wing cranks, nobody mentioned the impeachment once.

      Not once.

      It’s because they don’t really give a shit, and the reason they don’t really give a shit is because it isn’t important.

      1. Or maybe it’s because they know bringing it up will elicit fights and grievances, as politics at family holidays famously do.

        Do you live under a rock?

        1. Or maybe it’s because they know bringing it up will elicit fights and grievances, as politics at family holidays famously do.

          Yeah – I had the same experience as Ken. No one in my family is shy about bringing up controversial political topics – they make a point of it.

          “Who’s going to win the primary and can they beat Trump” was the primary topic of conversation. The impeachment wasn’t mentioned, even in passing.

        2. No. We just have functioning families, your obviously just guessing what happens at such holidays.

          1. Since Nancy pulled her ‘hide the impeachment’ act all of my reliably Democrat friends have gone silent on impeachment and all related issues. Whereas up until that moment it was a steady stream of commentary.

            Much like this publication.

    2. Here’s a stat we probably won’t see touted in the news media.

      Apart from, I dunno, all of it? Shows up at CNN and all those mean “lamestream media” outlets.

      Not that this “study” means anything. Read the story. Trump is tied with Obama at a whopping… 18% of respondents. Runner-up is “male relative or friend.” Incumbent presidents actually usually win the top spot, unless they are unusually unpopular… as Trump was in 2017 and 2018. Meanwhile, Obama’s share has held steady, which is unusual among former presidents.

      It’s a puffy study, pretty much as valuable as earning “Person of the Year.” Who cares?

      1. Who cares?

        You, obviously?

        1. Just because I quickly inform myself before snarking in reply – unlike most here, I’ll grant – doesn’t mean I actually “care.”

          1. No, it was all your whinging that proved it cunto.

          2. So you care more about how commenters here will sneakily interpret your comments?

      2. We can tell that you care, Simon.

        We can tell that you really really care.

        Because you make sure to tell us this–

        Meanwhile, Obama’s share has held steady, which is unusual among former presidents.

        It’s a ‘puffy’ study, but Obama(pbuh) is doing better than Trump.

  35. The persecution of Christianity is on the rise as well, when you count attacks and government raids on churches in China, some African nations, middle east, etc. The Easter bombing in Sri Lanka killed 259 people.

    The radical parts of the left basically have nothing but contempt for two of the most persecuted groups of people in the world. But they spent the last few weeks whining that Hallmark is fascist because their Christmas films don’t include Kwanzaa and trans Santa.

    These people are an embarrassment, pure and simple. It’s so obvious they get all excited about hounding prejudice only if the perpetrator is nominally “right wing” or if the injustice affects their protected groups.

    I’m not close to many Jewish people, but a few I knew just looked white. I’m kinda convinced most Jewish Americans are just white progressives, they just happen to have some Jewish blood in their family line.. I barely see any orthodox Jews in LA. They’re progs who hate on their motherland and deride their own people as genocidal maniacs. I don’t get it, I truly don’t.

    1. My best friend is a Jew (or is Jewish, if you prefer).
      He’s terrified of the progressives.
      I’m glad he’s vacationing in Mexico right now so he doesn’t have to see this shit non stop

      Apparently, there’s been at least one anti-Semitic attack EVERY DAY since September 23.
      Not sure if that’s nationwide or just in the NYC area

  36. This isn’t really anti-semitism. It’s really more misdirected anger. The Hasidics are buying up the neighborhood buildings which includes people in rent controlled apartments or with long term leases. They can’t legally evict them but they can make life so miserable they’ll want to move. So suddenly the boiler stops working or there’s no running water for days. Complaints go unheeded until the city steps in. Then the cycle starts over.
    Yes the tenants should direct their anger at the landlord but the legal approach is costly and if you don’t have $ the system works against you. So this is the result of one insular community trying to drive out the established residents.
    If the Hasidic were more inclusive we wouldn’t get to this point. Overlooking that issue means these ideological acts will likely just keep occurring.

    1. Nice theory. But the killer wasn’t a neighbor, he drove up from Harlem.

  37. Its funny because Robby Soave still thinks Nazis were NOT Socialists.

  38. “The Monsey Attack Shows Anti-Semitic Violence Isn’t Always Tied to the Far-Right.”

    How about it hardly ever is.

  39. “Reason magazine” claims to be a libertarian publication. Apparently, they and Robby Soave are locked into 1950’s thinking! The “right” has been the biggest supporters of Israel and Judaism in the U.S. for MANY YEARS. Trump is the BEST FRIEND Israel has had in the White House forever! More IMPORTANTLY, the LEFT has always been the PRIMARY source of hate motivated violence, while the vast majority of the right has accepted the blows to the face, and turned the other cheek!

    Suggesting, as Soave does in the headline, “The Monsey Attack Shows Anti-Semitic Violence Isn’t Always Tied to the Far-Right” is an embarrassing display of the propagation of IGNORANCE and the BIG LIE practiced by the LEFT!

  40. Most attacks against Jews in NYC are blacks and Muslims. But, the Progressives cannot bring themselves to acknowledge this fact.
    The easiest way to tell if a black or a Muslims assaulted someone from the Jewish community is to see if the race or religion of the person is mentioned. If there is no mention – black or Muslim, or both.

  41. If the truth of the facts of your behaviour put you or your people in an unfavourable light, should sharing that truth be illegal?

    75% of Semitic peoples are Arabs.

    The Communist revolution of 1917 was led by jews, Lenin, who also established the KGB.

    The Balfour declaration was the deal between global Zionists and the British government to bring the unsuspecting US into WW1 in exchange for stealing Palestine.

    Global Jewish boycotting of Germany in 1933 intentionally pushed Germany into WW2.

    The declaration of the state of Israel in 1948, initiated the Middle East conflict which still rages today.

    Aside from paid witnesses and tortured confessions there is zero evidence that a holocaust occurred while plenty of evidence that refutes it is illegal to share in countries around the world.

    These are facts. The truth. If reality puts you in a bad light, who’s to blame?

    1. Go away you evil fascist.

    2. MiseKKK wants to eat jewish babies for breakfast! But he is TOTALLY devoted to living his life following “logic” and “reason”!

      1. But then so do you. Get a room you two.

        1. Your heart and mind are consumed by seething hatred. It will consume YOU if you let it! There’s no hope left for MiseKKK… There MIGHT be some left for you! Get help!

    3. I have provided evidence of science and logic.

      You have demonstrated bigotry.

      Examples of bigotry in a Sentence
      “ a deeply ingrained bigotry prevented her from even considering the counterarguments”

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigotry

      Providing evidence does not make someone a bigot. Refusing to recognize that evidence does.

      1. “Refusing to recognize that evidence does.”

        Says a world-class bigot who denies the holocaust. Ever visit a holocaust museum? Ever talk to the prisoner-veterans (survivors) of the holocaust? Ever talk to those whose relatives lost lives?

        Any semblance at ALL, of an open mind, left in you? Or is all hope totally gone?

        1. All paid “witnesses” with often conflicting testimony.

          With so many “survivors” who died?

          The Red Cross had the responsibility to record all prisoner deaths at all camps which they regularly visited.

          Their total, 271,000. A far cry from the Jewish claim of 6,000,000 (Jews alone).

          A bigot like you must believe that the Red Cross was completely unaware of 95% of the deaths they were responsible to record.

          Fill your boots bigot.

          1. So you admit to at least 271000 deaths. Now, what’s your point?

            1. Yes 271000 recorded by the Red Cross and not one by cyanide gassing.

              The holocaust narrative is a lie.

    4. Let’s give this a go:
      “75% of Semitic peoples are Arabs.”
      So what? I’d guess the implied inverse is even smaller – that less than 25% of the descendants of Shem (assuming he existed) are also Jewish. These are all imperfect numbers, but there are between 15m and 20m Jews globally, while there are more than 400m people in the Arab league nations – and that doesn’t even count the extensions into East Asia which are of heavily mixed descent, making Jews less than 5% of Arabs using these definitions (all numbers from Wikipedia, no links).

      “The Communist revolution of 1917 was led by jews, Lenin, who also established the KGB.”
      Again, so what?

      “The Balfour declaration was the deal between global Zionists and the British government to bring the unsuspecting US into WW1 in exchange for stealing Palestine.”
      ……
      Let me get this straight. The US declares war on Germany in April of 1917, and then 7 months later in November 1917 The UK issues the Balfour declaration, which then caused the US to backdate their entry in the war, do I have that right? Do the temporal causation arrows point in the wrong direction in your universe?

      “Global Jewish boycotting of Germany in 1933 intentionally pushed Germany into WW2.”
      So the Haavara agreement didn’t happen? The Nazis fabricates travel logs of tens of thousands of German Jews who sold all their property in Germany to ship themselves and newly produced German goods to British Palestine? Whoever would the Nazis have done that? And how, if the Jewish population was so small, could a boycott have pushed Germany into war? Setting aside any claims about intent, how could a small population do that with a boycott? They just don’t have the purchasing power.

      “The declaration of the state of Israel in 1948, initiated the Middle East conflict which still rages today.”
      Sure, this ones pretty much true. It elides the fact that the other side of the conflict wants Israel to disappear (“be wiped into the sea” to use a translated quote), but sure. “The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776 initiated the North America conflict which raged for 89 years” – until it was decisively settled in 1865 with the ending of the last proxy battle – is just as accurate. You sure this one means what you seem to be implying it means?

      “Aside from paid witnesses and tortured confessions there is zero evidence that a holocaust occurred while plenty of evidence that refutes it is illegal to share in countries around the world.”
      Not trying to be grammar Nazi (heh, you get it?), so I’m assuming you’re making two separate points – that there is no evidence beyond paid witnesses and tortured confessions, and that the contrary evidence is illegal to share in countries around the world. I don’t think you know what the word “evidence” means, so I’ll explain how it’s used in science. “Evidence” is anything that is more likely to be true if reality is one way versus another. Witness testimony is evidence. Tire tracks could be evidence. Old chemical residues (or their absence) could be evidence. Anything that points towards the truth is evidence. So when we can read logs of people being shipped to camps and no logs of them ever coming back, that’s evidence that they didn’t come back – not conclusive proof, but merely evidence. And when we can read logs of them being buried or cremated, that’s evidence that they were dead (if not before, then certainly after). It’s not conclusive proof – the writer may have been misinformed or lying, or the entire log may be forged, but it’s evidence nonetheless. And when we have literal mountains of this evidence all pointing to the same overall plan we can be pretty confident that it’s more or less accurate. Not perfectly accurate, but a good likely summation. As for it being illegal to share around the world, I’m only aware of one country that prohibits counter-evidence – Germany. I disagree with their logic, but they have a very specific history they’re trying to combat. What other countries prohibit (as in: seize, arrest, destroy) counter evidence (not merely don’t fund) and why do you think the do that?

      “These are facts. The truth. If reality puts you in a bad light, who’s to blame?“
      Yep. Who’s in a bad light now?

      1. Who do you think might have had a better grasp of the Balfour Declaration, yourself or the Solicitor and Secretary of the UK Zionist organization between 1917 and 1922?

        Samuel Landmann published a paper in 1936 clearly stating that US entry was in exchange for Palestine.

        Here is the encyclopedia judaica section on Jewish boycotts. It’s clear from the import export table that they are boasting of a significant impact.

        Paid testimony isn’t admissible as evidence.

        You agreed with my other points.

        1. Again, even if true, what does that have to do with people living in the US, why happen to follow a similar religion or happen to be descended from common ancestors?

          1. Hey,

            I’m just sharing the truth and while it does expose lies, I’m pretty sure that doesn’t kill anyone.

  42. Fellow Jews,
    Arm yourselves!
    This was in upstate N.Y. where you can get a concealed weapons permit.
    All Jews who are physically and temperamentally able should be carrying concealed everywhere it is legal to carry.
    Just look at the Texas church shooting.
    3 worshippers pulled out concealed pistols, one was fast on target.
    No problem identifying the bad guy, no good guys over reacted.
    Jews would be well advised to follow this example

    1. The Talmud requires teaching your children to swim. In America teach them firearms.

      Why should a Christian or a Jew need to go armed to pray? What is going on? Why do I need the 9mm pistol in the talit bag?

      In Europe you cannot wear kippah. America now as well.

      Here in suburban flyover. We need to hire police officers and security just to protect when we go to schul. More to guard the children at the kindergarten and Hebrew school.

      Rabbi Nachmun of Breslov said “G-d is right there with you; He’s right next to you. Do not be afraid.”

      This is true story. In Chicago high school age was in yeshiva then. Went downtown one night with couple friends. Took off the kippah so as not to attract attention.

      So got on the wrong train and went south. Couple girls looked at us and said “you in the wrong color neighborhood”. We were. We get off on the platform waiting to go back north.

      Came charging up a south side gang. Circle around us. I reached in my pocket and found the kippah. Put it on I don’t know why.

      Leader of the gang looks at me. Menacing. Says “what is that thing on your head”. I said I was a student learning bible in rabbi school. He walked around. There were a dozen of them. Could have died right then.

      “Rabbi?” “Yes. I am a Jew” He looked again. Made a circle with his hand and his troop went away.

      That was the time I learned faith.

  43. A popular website’s namesake *Jacobin*, or..the Reign of Terror that murdered, in the streets, practicing Catholics, the superstitious and anyone who vocally disagreed with the revolution or their politics. The outlet promotes democratic socialism-(Marxism) and endorses Bernie Sanders, AOC, Omar and Corbyn or Labour in Britain. The site is outwardly anti-semitic while the namesake communicates the promotion of violence with the goal of racial justice through Marxism. True Believers

    When the left says that they are Jacobins, BELIEVE THEM!

  44. the writer claims anti-semitic attacks are usually from the far right.

    the writer thinks the nazis were right wing.

    I should read this birdbrain because…

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