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ICE Used Dirty Tactics To Lure Foreign Students With a Fake University

Some students even left legitimate universities to enroll. Now they're being deported.

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Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced two weeks ago that the arrest tally for the foreign students caught by its sting operation against pay-to-stay visa mills—fake universities that handle transcripts and paperwork so that foreign students can maintain their visa status without attending school—has risen to 250. 

But sources connected to the students tell Reason the operation, which involved ICE setting up its own fake university, lured in some students who had done nothing wrong. Some of those students were even tricked into quitting legitimate schools in favor of the feds' fake visa mill. Meanwhile, the operation's real target, the visa mills, remain unaffected.

The latest chapter in the story begins when ICE decided to crack down on visa mills in 2015. What exactly triggered this effort is unclear. That year, ICE created the University of Northern New Jersey, a fake college that held no classes and offered no instruction. If students paid recruiters between $3,000 and $12,000, they could enroll and show that they were taking the required course load to satisfy the requirements of their F-1 student visas and, more importantly, obtain CPT (Curricular Practical Training) status.

Usually, F-1 students are limited to 20 hours of employment on-campus. But CPT status allows those who have completed one year of academic work to take jobs off campus if the work is integral to their area of study. For instance, nursing students who need practical training to complete the requirements for their diplomas can work in a hospital and get paid for it, or computer science majors can do real-life programming at a company. It's like a paid internship for foreign students.

The New York Times reported at the time that some students genuinely didn't know what they were getting into. The university repeatedly canceled scheduled classes last minute via Twitter for all kinds of reasons including bad weather. When one frustrated Chinese student drove up to the university to find out what was going on, an ICE agent impersonating the university president met him and reassured him that everything was fine, even handing him a fake T-shirt with the university logo and an American flag.

But many students enrolled out of desperation. They had obtained jobs but didn't win an H-1B visa in the annual lottery, given that there are twice as many applicants as visas handed every year. So the CPT became a stopgap way of obtaining work status until they could try again for an H-1B the following year.

The sensible policy response to the shortage would be to raise or scrap the annual H-1B cap—set before the internet revolution—so that foreign students with a job offers could be assured work authorization. This would instantly throw all the visa mills out of business. Instead, ICE launched elaborate operations to play detective.

The New Jersey sting resulted in over 1,000 students losing their visa status and being thrown out of the country. But according to Rahul Reddy, a Texas-based attorney and founding partner of a 23-year-old firm that specializes in employment-based immigration law, those students were actually just collateral damage. The primary targets were professional recruiters acting as middlemen between students and fraudulent universities.

But the latest sting is different. This one went to elaborate lengths to target students themselves, insists Reddy, who has been offering legal services to many of them.

This time, ICE created the University of Farmington, which was physically located on Northwestern Highway in Southeast Michigan—a major commercial thoroughfare with doctor's offices, real estate companies, restaurants, and more. Its website billed the now-disbanded university as a STEM school offering various graduate degrees. It pretended that the university was founded in the 1950s to offer returning soldiers from World War II a "quality and marketable education" to help turn Detroit into a "center of innovation" for manufacturing, the website also claimed to maintain a 10:1 student-teacher ratio. It even invented a fake seal with the motto "Scientia et Labor," meaning "Knowledge and Work." 

Notably, it also claimed that the school was SEVP approved. SEVP refers to the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) Students and Exchange Visitor Program, which lists all the certified schools that immigration authorities recognize. Separately, ICE enlisted an accreditation agency to list the school as legitimate on its website, according to Detroit Free Press' Niraj Warikoo, who also found that the university was incorporated by Michigan's Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs in January 2016.

All this meant that any foreign student who looked at the university website would have no reason to suspect that it was an illicit visa mill. But to dispel any remaining suspicion, ICE coordinated with DHS to ensure that the enrolled students would show up on DHS's Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS)

SEVIS is akin to an E-verify program for universities, a federal database that lists all foreign students in good standing with immigration authorities. Students not enrolled in a federally recognized university aren't listed on SEVIS. For foreign students looking for American education, this is the ultimate seal of official approval.

With this architecture in place, ICE agents impersonating university officials started recruiting students by offering them cheaper courses and quicker processing of CPT, says Jay Talluri, president of the Telugu Association of North America, the oldest and biggest Indo-American organization in North America that caters to the special issues of the people in their community. They also offered a hefty commission to students, mostly from India, who recruited their friends. In all, it managed to enroll 600 students.

Accepting the commission was clearly illegal because the terms of the F-1 visa bar foreign students from working off-campus for pay, especially in areas unrelated to their studies. So ICE dubbed the students who took the kickback as "recruiters" and went after them the same way it targeted professional recruiters in 2015. It charged eight of them with a "conspiracy to commit visa fraud and harbor aliens and profit from them." Seven of them have already started prison sentences of a year or more pending deportation.

But ICE didn't spare students either. It terminated the SEVIS authorization of everyone enrolled in the University of Farmington on the evening of January 29. Early the next morning, it started making house arrests. It arrested 90 University of Farmington students right off the bat in January. That number rose to 161 by March and has now reached 250.

The rest have all likely fled the country to avoid arrest. Reddy says he started getting calls from panicked students when the raids started, and that's what he advised them to do. That's why ICE's arrest count is not even bigger.

About 80 percent of the 250 that ICE snagged were granted "voluntary" departure and banned from the country for many years. Another 10 percent are being deported and the rest are contesting their removal orders.

ICE claimed in its indictment that "each of the foreign citizens who 'enrolled' and made 'tuition' payments to the University" knew that the program was "not approved by the DHS" and was "illegal." 

This is simply not true. The university was listed as accredited on state and federal sites. Moreover, students also had no reason to believe that the university was fake given that the DHS handed them SEVIS authorization, which would not have been possible if it weren't an approved school.

Indeed, Warikoo notes that some of the students jumped to the University of Farmington from universities that lost their accreditation. They likely thought that switching would allow them to fulfill their visa requirements (none of the students are talking to the press). Others actually tried to transfer out of the University of Farmington when they realized that the university was not holding classes and they were making no progress toward their diplomas. But ICE has not spared them either.

But the even more troubling aspect mentioned by Reddy and Talluri, both of whom know many of the students caught in the dragnet, is that ICE actually lured some of the students from legitimate universities by offering them cheaper courses. "Some of the students were going to good public and private schools when ICE tempted them with lower prices at University of Farmington," says Talluri. He and his organization have raised concerns about ICE's tactics with senators, and India has launched a formal diplomatic protest. Neither Talluri nor Reddy were willing to provide names of students who had been lured from legitimate universities, suggesting that such students are afraid of attracting law enforcement attention. 

Foreign students are particularly vulnerable to pitches for cheaper classes because their options to work and pay for their education are severely restricted by visa rules. Hence, many rely on families back home for support and are always on the lookout for reducing the burden on their loved ones. ICE collected millions of dollars in fees from them, Warikoo reported, but it won't say if it has any intention of reimbursing the students. (ICE did not respond to requests for comment.)

If these students had been left to their own devices, Talluri says, it may not have occurred to them to switch. One reason they did so was because ICE paid their fellow students up to $20,000 to aggressively recruit them, per its January indictment.

Entrapment requires ensnaring someone who did not have a predisposition to commit an illegal act by misleading or lying to them. It's unclear whether what ICE did falls under that definition because the students aren't talking to the press. But even if it were, they couldn't sue ICE because the loss of visa and deportation aren't considered criminal penalties requiring any kind of due process.

The fundamental question, however, is what the government hoped to accomplish with this elaborate scheme. Even from a pure enforcement standpoint, to the extent that ICE considers visa mills a problem, it would make more sense for it to go after existing visa mills rather than launching additional fake ones of its own. Instead of turning students into recruiters by throwing temptation in their way, ICE could have gone after professional recruiters. Nothing ICE has done so far has put a single university or recruiter out of business. 

"If ICE investigated these universities," notes Stuart Anderson of the National Foundation for American Policy, a pro-immigration think tank, "we would at least understand the true extent and nature of this problem." 

This would help protect foreign students from being scammed too. Very often, those accused of being visa mills or diploma mills aren't totally fake. They skirt the law, doing the bare minimum in terms of holding classes and fulfilling other requirements to get their SEVP certification so that they can hand foreign students the necessary paperwork for their student visas and cough up money to enroll. However, if the federal government subsequently rescinds the accreditation of these universities or even just becomes suspicious of them, their students run into big trouble. If they travel abroad, they can have difficulty re-entering the country. Many face difficulties upgrading their student visas to H-1Bs when they land jobs. 

Reddy says he gets calls from foreign students in such situations seeking advice "practically every day." He has started hosting weekly video calls offering free consultations and scores of foreign students sign up. These universities victimize foreign students, he laments. And instead of rescuing them, ICE is victimizing them too.

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  1. Shikha, you’re lying again.

    “HSI special agents, as part of this undercover operation, made it abundantly clear in their interactions with potential University of Farmington enrollees that the school did not offer academic or vocational programs of any kind. The individuals who enrolled in the University of Farmington did so intentionally.”

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/12/09/ice-defends-fake-university-metro-detroit-led-250-arrests/2625316001/

    1. ICE claims that ICE did nothing wrong.
      Well then, case closed! Nothing to see here!

      1. //“There is nothing he — there is nothing to . . . that he did anything that was illegal. Nothing,” Biden said, according to a transcript of the interview.//

        chemjeff: “See, nothing to see here!”

        That is why people abuse you, Jeff. You spend all day arguing one point, only to contradict yourself and your professed principles the very next day – heck, the very next minute.

        Your complete lack of an ability to reflect on your own thoughts and statements in a consistent manner is why people abuse you.

        1. Except I never said Biden didn’t do anything wrong. That is pure projection on your part.

          You seem incapable of understanding that it’s possible to believe that BOTH Biden AND Trump have screwed up in this entire affair.

          Your role here seems to be to push the Team Red narrative. Why is that? Why do you feel compelled to carry water for Team Red?

          And more to the point at hand, why should we believe ICE’s claims of innocence here?

          1. //chemjeff radical individualist
            December.11.2019 at 6:59 pm
            “Trump was just trying to expose corruption in Ukraine.”

            Sure, that is why the only alleged instance of corruption that he brought up during the phone call was that of Biden. No other instances, just Biden. Pure coincidence, I’m sure. You’d have to give Trump a massive benefit of the doubt in order to believe that Trump was the good cop in all this just trying to uncover the nefarious ne’er-do-wells.//

            Pure projection, huh?

            Idiot.

            1. So where specifically in that little quotation of mine do I claim that Biden did nothing wrong? Answer: nowhere.

              It’s not my fault that you can’t read simple words.

              1. You really dont get what he is telling you. It is the fact in 5 weeks of this impeachment bullshit you never said once Biden had a conflict of interest. In fact you’ve said a few times he did nothing illegal, defending biden. And yet now you claim you say you never said Biden was innocent… you just defended every aspect of his conflict of interest instead.

                Just like you claimed this morning Schiff marking a document Secret didnt actually meant he was attempting to classify it to avoid FOIA.

                You’re a complete dishonest hack.

                1. The fact of the matter is that law enforcement authorities are allowed to use all types of fakery to further our great nation’s goals, which happen to include exposing, as our national leader has done, the sinister Hoax that has been sapping the unity of our society. A fake university? What an excellent technique to catch the illegals. What is not allowed, is to use fake, and highly inappropriate, “parody” to disseminate chaos and disorder on our college campuses. See the documentation of our nation’s leading criminal “satire” case at:

                  https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

                2. Here is a clue Jesse. If I don’t actually say “I don’t believe the moon is made of green cheese”, it doesn’t mean that I DO believe that the moon is made of green cheese. Get it?

                  Please READ WHAT I SAY and not what you think I said (or didn’t say).

                  I get the feeling that you only listen to people whom you believe are in your ‘tribe’. Because I’m not in your ‘tribe’, my motives are suspect and my words are to be ignored. Like here:

                  Just like you claimed this morning Schiff marking a document Secret didnt actually meant he was attempting to classify it to avoid FOIA.

                  WTH? Not only did I not say anything at all about FOIA, but FOIA doesn’t even apply to Congress!

                  https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//nsa/foia/guide.html

                  “The FOIA applies to Executive Branch departments, agencies, and offices; federal regulatory agencies; and federal corporations. Congress, the federal courts, and parts of the Executive Office of the President that function solely to advise and assist the President, are NOT subject to the FOIA.

                  So you are inventing a completely fake corrupt rationale for Schiff, and I’m supposed to go along with it? Why exactly?

                  Which right-wing news source led you to the conclusion that Schiff was trying to evade FOIA by marking documents as secret that shouldn’t be so marked? I’d like to know who’s lying to you.

                  1. Jeff. Are you too fucking stupid to see the part where you defended biden as not illegal? You literally defended him for 5 weeks. You then made the claim Trump was wrong for investigating. Both thoughts imply you think he did nothing wrong you ignorant fuck.

                    And yes you did defend Schiffs classification of the transcript as Secret. You literally made the claim government marks random documents secret all the time without the intention of classification you raging dumbfuck. Schiff has clearance. He understands what the term secret on a document means.

                    You are a dishonest dumbfuck.

                    1. Where is the goalpost now, Jesse?
                      Is it the claim that Biden did something wrong?
                      Is it the claim that Biden had a conflict of interest?
                      Is it the claim that Biden broke the law?
                      And which Biden, by the way? Joe or Hunter?
                      It’s hard to keep up with whatever galloping gish you have going at the moment.

                      You then made the claim Trump was wrong for investigating.

                      I made the claim that it was wrong for Trump to attempt to investigate IN THE MANNER HE CHOSE TO DO SO. Will you at least try to characterize my claims honestly? Good Lord. You don’t actually read what I write, you just insert whatever caricature in your head into my mouth and claim that I said it.

                      Both thoughts imply you think he did nothing wrong

                      Only if you are blinded by tribalism and too narrow-minded to consider other possibilities, besides “Biden is a saint” and “Trump is a saint”. You literally cannot conceive of the possibility that someone might legitimately believe that BOTH Biden AND Trump have screwed up in this entire mess.

                      And yes you did defend Schiffs classification of the transcript as Secret.

                      In Jesse-speak, not believing every right-wing claim made against Schiff, means that I’m a Schiff apologist. Get your head out of your ass and start thinking for once that there are more than two tribes, more than two sides to an argument. Just because Schiff used the word “Secret” doesn’t NECESSARILY mean that he is trying to usurp presidential authority to classify documents.

                    2. Oh hey look its jeffmike lying again.

                      Bo-ring

                    3. //
                      chemjeff radical individualist
                      December.12.2019 at 11:49 am
                      As I said. It is totally possible for information to be regarded as “secret” without having it designated as OFFICIALLY TOP SECRET by Executive Order. Nothing in all of your fulminations disputes this.

                      Government employees dont get to just mark secret on things.

                      The HSPCI rules permit the committee to label documents as secret if they contain sensitive information.

                      https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-HPRT-IG00-CommitteeRules.pdf

                      “(m) Requirement to Protect Sources and Methods. In bringing a matter to the attention of the
                      House, or another committee, the Committee, with due regard for the protection of
                      intelligence sources and methods, shall take all necessary steps to safeguard materials or
                      information relating to the matter in question.”

                      It wasn’t hard to find this stuff. Why didn’t you bother digging into this question a little bit, Jesse?

                      BearOdinson
                      December.12.2019 at 2:22 pm
                      If you actually read the entire document, you would realize that the paragraph you are citing is in the section titled:
                      “14. Procedures Related to Handling of Classified Material”

                      In federal law and regulation, the word classified has a distinct meaning. It doesn’t mean the committee chair decided something was sensitive. Or proprietary. Or contains personal information.

                      So your argument is wrong. If a document is CLASSIFIED, it has been do so officially. Of course not all classified documents are TOP SECRET. There are levels of classification:
                      Classified
                      Secret
                      Top Secret.
                      But the use of the word “classified” means documents that fit one of these designations.
                      \\

                      That shit is hilarious.
                      Humiliating for jeff, but hilarious for the rest of us

                    4. Nardz, the argument was over the word SECRET, not over the word CLASSIFIED.

                      Why don’t you go back and read the entire discussion.

                    5. Hey look its jeffmoke lying again

                    6. “the paragraph you are citing is in the section titled:
                      “14. Procedures Related to Handling of Classified Material””

                      Sad that jeff can’t just admit a mistake and move on

                3. Pedo Jeffy frequently lies. He regularly claims he never calls people racist. He also regularly calls people here racist.

                  He is also a child rape enthusiast.

          2. Sure “neutral” jeff. You totes believe Biden is shady. Why you talk about it as much as trump.

            I do like how you believe the students who have reason to lie but dont believe ICE under the same standard.

            1. Trump is the one in charge, doofus. Not Biden.

              I do like how you believe the students who have reason to lie but dont believe ICE under the same standard.

              This is called the false dichotomy fallacy.

              1. Freshman year sophistry.

              2. Biden wasnt in charge as VP when his son got the job? Holy shit dumbass.

              3. By the way.. it isnt a false dichotomy dumbfuck. I wasnt giving you a false choice. I was giving you an example of your bias flowing in only one direction.

                1. Either I had to believe ICE, or I had to believe the students. That was the false choice you presented.

                  1. And I never said that you dishonest fuck. I said you believe x and you believe y. I never stated tou could only believe one or the other. I stated what you have implied in this thread. There was no choice idiot.

                    1. Jeffmike is REALLY REALLY bad at reading for comprehension.

                    2. I said you believe x and you believe y. I never stated tou could only believe one or the other. I stated what you have implied in this thread.

                      Well, then since I said that I don’t believe ICE, and I said nothing about the students’ claims themselves, why on earth would you conclude then that I had to be believing the students’ claims?

                      It’s simple – because in your simple-minded world, there are only two sides. Since I disagreed with Team Y, then in your mind, that means I’m on Team X.

                      Only in your mind would not believing ICE’s claims mean that I had to necessarily believe the students’ claims. Only in your mind.

                    3. Right but you’re a known and proven liar.

                  2. Or, secret choice “C,” you had to believe two mutually exclusive and conflicting things at the same time, which you usually do anyway.

          3. “Except I never said Biden didn’t do anything wrong”

            Except that’s got fuck all to do with his point clownshoes.

      2. I certainly don’t automatically believe ICE. But, it ought to be easily verified that these students were enrolled for 18 months with no classes, nor academic work assigned or anything. That by itself, is pretty good evidence that the students knew what they were doing.

        1. It would be suspicious if, when I went to college, I managed to continue being in school without attending any classes.

          In fact, a good friend of mine stopped going to his classes for a semester and curiously enough our university kicked him out. He had to finish his education many years later at another institution.

          He’s now an Audiologist.

      3. Racebaiterjeff and Shikha massively butthurt.

        They have to go back.
        #Winning

      4. I have to agree. We have several possible interpretations, including both that ICE is lying and that students were just desperate, that would absolve the students. I do not think we can condemn either them or ICE without further direct information.

      5. “But sources connected to the students tell Reason the operation, which involved ICE setting up its own fake university, lured in some students who had done nothing wrong.”

        If you were being consistent, you would have complained about this self serving statement as well.

    2. So do we believe law enforcement or not? I keep getting confused, or the answer keeps changing based on the actors involved.

      1. Better question are any of the students claiming they believed that they were going to take real classes.

        1. BETTER, better question is, WHY do we-all need fancy fake degrees to do ANY of the most useless and trivial things for our fellow human beings, if we should DARE to make a dollar? I have to pay a doctor of doctorology a zillion dollars lately for permission (for a “prescription”) to SCRATCH MY OWN FUCKING ASS lately!

          For real, I need permission to blow on a cheap plastic flute!!! To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

          1. Eat shit Mary. No wait, don’t, you like that.

      2. When the students spent months on end not taking classes… it doesnt really matter what ICE says. The evidence is plain.

      3. We should ALWAYS believe law enforcement when law enforcement says that it wants more POWER over the peons, and when law enforcement says that ALL of its motives are purely clean and good! Always!

        1. Fuck off Mary.

    3. I don’t know how much of what the agent said is true. He did say that the students were enrolled for 18 months. If that statement is true, then that is pretty damning evidence that the “students” knew exactly what they were doing since there were no classes or academic work during that entire period.

    4. Huh, so that sounds a lot more justifiable than what I’ve been hearing. Is anyone with knowledge of the operation alleging ICE promised an actuall education, or is everyone just complaining getting caught committing fraud is unfair?

      1. The latter.

      2. “Is anyone with knowledge of the operation alleging ICE promised an actuall education…”

        Please get yourself an ACTUAL education on how to use simple spell-check that’s even embedded into the posting software right here! OK, I am a grammar (and spelling) NAZI, so be it… When you are lazy about these things, readers will assume that you are ALSO lazy about BASIC THINKING about what is right and what is wrong! ICE is lying out their ass in order to trap and punish people! Real human beings are the victim here! You want this done to YOU? If not, don’t support it! And ICE is NOT using their LYING to prevent murder or mayhem either!

        Hints about single v/s double v/s triple “L” use:

        The one-L lama, he’s a beast,
        The two-LL llama, he’s a priest,
        The 3-LLL lllama, he’s deceased!

        (“Deceased” roughly = non-existent).

        1. “Real human beings are the victim here”.

          Multiple people are pooling their victim hood to become one super victim?

          If you’re gonna bitch about an extra L, at least learn to use the plural form to whine about the poor victim(s) or readers will assume that you are ALSO lazy about BASIC THINKING…….. blah blah blah.

          “EVERYTHING IS SO TERRIBLE AND UNFAIR!!!!!

          Haha.

        2. No, dumbass, a llama, with two Ls, is an animal; the Dalai Lama, with one L, is a priest.

          If you’re going to try to smugly bust someone’s balls, at least try to be correct.

          1. The llama is a priest, to those of us who worship a beast (like Trump!)

            The lama is a beast, to those of us who couldn’t give a FUCK IN HELL for organized religion!

            Reality is all in how you look at it!

            1. No idiot you were just wrong ahahahahahahahaah

        3. Aahahahahahahah you fucking idiot ahahahaahahahahahahah

          1. “Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:

            Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
            My life is a mess,
            Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
            I whinny seductively for the horses,
            They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
            My real name is Mary Stack,
            NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
            On disability, I live all alone,
            Spend desperate nights by the phone,
            I found a man named Richard Decker,
            But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
            Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
            I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!

            So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
            Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
            Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
            Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
            Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
            Pause…
            Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
            And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!

            So Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!

            So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!

            But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
            Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!

            Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!

            Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!

            What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?

            -Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
            Yours Truly,
            Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan

            1. AHAHAHAH LOOK HOW SALTY AND UPSET YOU ARE AHAHAHAAHAHAH

              “The two-LL llama, he’s a priest”

              AAHAHAHAHAHAHHA IDIOT AHAHHAAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

              1. An idiot is exemplified by one who types AHAHAHHASF;SGHJAgiojiaDLKDJAHHAHHAHAF[SEGLSHFKAAHAHAFHGFHAgDG!!! (and related random moronic, childish shit).

                Blithering, brainless idiot!

                1. SQRLSY One
                  December.12.2019 at 6:06 pm
                  “Is anyone with knowledge of the operation alleging ICE promised an actuall education…”

                  Please get yourself an ACTUAL education on how to use simple spell-check that’s even embedded into the posting software right here! OK, I am a grammar (and spelling) NAZI, so be it… When you are lazy about these things, readers will assume that you are ALSO lazy about BASIC THINKING about what is right and what is wrong! ICE is lying out their ass in order to trap and punish people! Real human beings are the victim here! You want this done to YOU? If not, don’t support it! And ICE is NOT using their LYING to prevent murder or mayhem either!

                  Hints about single v/s double v/s triple “L” use:

                  The one-L lama, he’s a beast,
                  The two-LL llama, he’s a priest,

                  The 3-LLL lllama, he’s deceased!

                  (“Deceased” roughly = non-existent).

                  AHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA

                  IDIOT

                  AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    5. “Is anyone with knowledge of the operation alleging ICE promised an actuall education…”

      Please get yourself an ACTUAL education on how to use simple spell-check that’s even embedded into the posting software right here! OK, I am a grammar (and spelling) NAZI, so be it… When you are lazy about these things, readers will assume that you are ALSO lazy about BASIC THINKING about what is right and what is wrong! ICE is lying out their ass in order to trap and punish people! Real human beings are the victim here! You want this done to YOU? If not, don’t support it! And ICE is NOT using their LYING to prevent murder or mayhem either!

      Hints about single v/s double v/s triple “L” use:

      The one-L lama, he’s a beast,
      The two-LL llama, he’s a priest,

      The 3-LLL lllama, he’s deceased!

      (“Deceased” roughly = non-existent).

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAJAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAJAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAJJAJAHAJA

      1. Fressen Sie bitte meine nackt behaart grosse schlange.
        BITTE sehen Sie auch den großen, hervorragenden Experten-Psychologen Phillip Zimbardo für Ihre psychischen Probleme. Aber diesmal versuchen Sie zu HÖREN!

        1. SQRLSY One
          December.12.2019 at 6:06 pm
          “Is anyone with knowledge of the operation alleging ICE promised an actuall education…”

          Please get yourself an ACTUAL education on how to use simple spell-check that’s even embedded into the posting software right here! OK, I am a grammar (and spelling) NAZI, so be it… When you are lazy about these things, readers will assume that you are ALSO lazy about BASIC THINKING about what is right and what is wrong! ICE is lying out their ass in order to trap and punish people! Real human beings are the victim here! You want this done to YOU? If not, don’t support it! And ICE is NOT using their LYING to prevent murder or mayhem either!

          Hints about single v/s double v/s triple “L” use:

          The one-L lama, he’s a beast,
          The two-LL llama, he’s a priest,

          The 3-LLL lllama, he’s deceased!

          (“Deceased” roughly = non-existent).

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          1. When you say nothing, ever, that hardly ever amounts to more than baby-talk booger-turd-shit-burger fuckwad-speak “REEEETARD AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH” and the like… I guess, if there was EVER even the REMOTEST chance of reaching your smug ego… Did you know that technically, according to the Authoritative Encyclopedia of Baby-Booger-OOOga-Gaga speak, you are WRONG?!?!

            It should actually be … “REEaeEEueaiioooeeeTAuAuRD AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHjrfgAHAHAHAHAHAHAH”!!!

            Fucking moron can’t even get Baby-Booger-OOOga-Gaga speak down correctly! Grow up! You can do it if you try!

            1. CRY MORE YOU OBVIOUSLY UPSET IDIOT AHAHAHAHHAAJAJ

              SQRLSY One
              December.12.2019 at 6:06 pm
              “Is anyone with knowledge of the operation alleging ICE promised an actuall education…”

              Please get yourself an ACTUAL education on how to use simple spell-check that’s even embedded into the posting software right here! OK, I am a grammar (and spelling) NAZI, so be it… When you are lazy about these things, readers will assume that you are ALSO lazy about BASIC THINKING about what is right and what is wrong! ICE is lying out their ass in order to trap and punish people! Real human beings are the victim here! You want this done to YOU? If not, don’t support it! And ICE is NOT using their LYING to prevent murder or mayhem either!

              Hints about single v/s double v/s triple “L” use:

              The one-L lama, he’s a beast,
              The two-LL llama, he’s a priest,

              The 3-LLL lllama, he’s deceased!

              (“Deceased” roughly = non-existent).

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  2. I can only assume the hardons ICE officials got while cooking up this bullshit.

  3. //The sensible policy response to the shortage would be to raise or scrap the annual H-1B cap—set before the internet revolution—so that foreign students with a job offers could be assured work authorization. This would instantly throw all the visa mills out of business. Instead, ICE launched elaborate operations to play detective.//

    Open borders is always the most sensible solution. No visas. No borders. No immigration laws.

    This message is endorsed by Koch Industries.

    1. Well, in fairness, she didn’t say no visas or no borders. She said raise or scrap the cap on visas.

      1. Infinity is still a cap… right?

      2. Fuck off jeff.

      3. We all know her position on open borders. She’s made it clear time and time again.

  4. You see, this is why I’ll never send you any money.

  5. The FBI is a cesspool of corruption.

    But don’t say anything bad about ICE. They are doing God’s work keeping the illegals out of the homeland!

    1. //The FBI is a cesspool of corruption.//

      Stop pretending that you actually believe that.

      1. Well that is what you believe apparently.
        But not ICE. Oh no. Wanting to abolish ICE is just carrying water for eeeevul leftists.

        1. Who’s projecting now? Asshole.

          1. So, what’s your take on ICE? Abolish it, or not?

            Be careful how you answer – AOC has come out in favor of abolishing ICE. If you say you are in favor of abolishing ICE, you may get leftist cooties on you!

            1. What a stupid response lol.

            2. So, what’s your take on ICE? Abolish it, or not?

              Answer: Not

            3. I’m in favor of abolishing stupidity. As we can all see, my preferences end at your existence.

        2. Open borders without entitlement reform is pure stupidity, something you know well.

    2. They’re both cesspools of corruption.

      1. No doubt there’s more than a few bad apples among all of the law enforcement agencies out there.

        Let’s see if our resident Trump bootlickers around here will have anything negative to say about ICE.

        1. What a sad little dimwit you are

        2. Ice does many things wrong. They do many things right. This is one if the right things.

          1. Ice does many things wrong

            Such as?

            1. Bitch, you got what you wanted now you’re pathetically trying to distract from that fact.
              Stop being such a cunt and eat the L you earned.

            2. Such as?

              Not aggressive enough in deporting illegal aliens. I want them all out.

              1. Yeah I figured that would be the response.

                Has it occurred to you that the methods needed to try to kick out all the illegal immigrants would be even worse for liberty than their presence here?

                It is just like drug prohibition. Regardless of the harmful effects of drug use/abuse, using law enforcement to try to get people to stop using drugs only makes everyone’s lives even more miserable.

                1. No, it hasn’t = Has it occurred to you that the methods needed to try to kick out all the illegal immigrants would be even worse for liberty than their presence here?, mostly because it won’t.

                  The drug prohibition analogy is just terrible; I know you can do better. But chem, the fact is – these illegal aliens do not belong here. We cannot deport them fast enough. Don’t get me wrong, I think legal immigration is good, and I would let 5MM people in every year for the next 20 years….but only the ones who will benefit us. I would be very discriminating on who gets in.

                  My wife is an immigrant. She cannot stand illegal aliens at all. She had to wait for 10 years to come here legally, because she played by the rules. She has absolutely ZERO sympathy. Many immigrants feel like she does.

                2. Immigration is just like drug prohibition?

                  This is why people abuse you, Jeff.

  6. ICE Used Dirty Tactics To Lure Students In The Country Illegally With a Fake University

    There. Fixed it for you.

  7. If they fell for it, maybe they are too dumb to be in college .

  8. “lured in some students who had done nothing wrong.”

    Uh, hate to break it to you Shikha, but breaking the laws of the United States of America, is wrong.

    1. So is Entrapment.

      1. This isn’t entrapment. Entrapment is when law enforcement encourages someone to break a law they otherwise wouldn’t have broken. In this case, the students had already broken the law. There’s nothing illegal about using a subterfuge to capture the perps.

        1. Beat me to it.

          Sure it’s dirty pool, but not entrapment.

        2. If they actually did recruit a student away from a legit university because this was cheaper, that would be entrapment in those cases. Unless, of course, they have evidence that those students were otherwise actively looking for such a thing. A lot of that would boil down to the specifics of that interaction, especially if the students were confused initially about its legitimacy.

      2. If they charged any student who dropped out upon realizing they were not taking any classes and went back to a normal university that would have been entrapment. Short of that, it’s not.

        1. Pretty much this. they were all given ample time to do the right thing.

  9. It’s a shame Shikha got this story. It’s a legit story and I’m surprised it took this long to find its way to Hit&Run. Giving her the byline is going to shithole it. I’m not going to bother with her take because I’m sure it’s full of hyperbole and wild extrapolations.

  10. It’s nice of Reason to throw in the occasional feel-good story.

    1. +100

  11. “Some students even left legitimate universities to enroll. Now they’re being deported.”

    Well, good.

  12. The school was fake but ran as if it was a legitimate on the outside. That’s how criminal enterprises run, notably money laundering. If these colleges weren’t listed as accredited, the target students wouldn’t pay them to enroll, since they would know the joint wouldn’t be able to extend their visas. They assumed the school was legal but operated something else within.

    Why assume the “recruiters” didn’t actually reveal the scheme to the students they recruited? Asians are known to collude in underground schemes like this, especially on anything related to academics.

    If the students understood that there were no courses offered, they they effectively knew the whole thing was a fake. It doesn’t matter what legal documents they were handed. One can’t happen without the other, and these fake school didn’t provide one of them.

  13. The sensible policy response to the shortage would be to raise or scrap the annual H-1B cap

    Whenever someone breaks the law the sensible approach is to change the law. But it’s not open borders!

    Is it a coincidence the fundraiser just ended?

  14. Not surprised to see this continue from when Obama administration adopted it. FBI/CIA remain to be cleaned up from Obama days, too!
    President Trump inherited such a mess its taking time to straighten it all out. Would help if the Democrat tried working with him rather devoting their energies to trying to find something, anything, to impeach him on.

  15. “But sources connected to the students tell Reason”

    People committing visa fraud would never lie.

    1. “So the CPT became a stopgap way of obtaining work status until they could try again for an H-1B the following year.”

      In other words… willing commitment to fraud.

  16. Someone broke the law and was caught. This is so sad.

  17. Law enforcement using dirty tricks to catch the bad guys. How awful! But wait. Is that not what they are supposed to do?

    1. “Law enforcement using dirty tricks to catch the bad guys. How awful! But wait. Is that not what they are supposed to do?”

      Half-educated bigots and downscale clingers take a different view with respect to Carter Page, Whatshisname Papadopolous, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, and others similarly situated.

      1. Why the third person perspective?

  18. “ The sensible policy response to the shortage would be to raise or scrap the annual H-1B cap—set before the internet revolution—so that foreign students with a job offers could be assured work authorization. ”

    The problem with that is there is no shortage. This is simply a means of allowing employers to pay less than the free market wage. Cheap foreign labor. Economic 101 first day of class!

    1. You missed the second semester.

    2. These are J-1 not H-1b visas. They are both higher level visas issued in medicine, science, other technical fields. Deemed as such by the almighty government. Some of them may wish to stay after completing the 3-6 years of research or a residency in oncology.

      They cannot get permission to be paid outside of that term. The government can. So if you can work at the VA or as a military contractor you can do that.

      It has nothing to do with paying less. A high level expert in computer engineering or radiation oncology does not get paid less.

      Government control of the workforce. You might as well be talking about the price of soda pop or fuel. Wait, we have that.

      Marx talked about the means of production. That is not just equipment or real estate. What some propose here is government control of Human Resources on all levels. If half the IT staff where I work went away tomorrow we would be out of business.

      Wages. economics 102. Wages are the number of sea shells you get paid for your particular productive value to the trading community. What really matters is what you can get for 20 sea shells.

  19. Where does the government find people lousy enough to devise and implement such a shabby, authoritarian program?

    Other than the resentful, intolerant, left-behind backwaters, I mean.

    1. In Obama’s White House.

  20. Hey Shika?
    WAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

  21. So Shicksta is upset that those devious Feds set up a fake diploma mill AND caught some illegals trying to commit academic and immigration fraud? That’s three strikes for the soon to be deported right there.

    1. Libertarians used to be concerned with fraud.

      1. Like pretending to be a citizen?

  22. Here is a more in-depth look at this story:

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/12/10/who-went-fake-university-farmington-and-why

    The truth is even more appalling than what Ms. Dalmia wrote.

    Turns out, in 2016, the Department of Education revoked accreditation for a number of universities. So that would immediately put the legal status of international students at those universities in serious jeopardy. And, immediately afterwards, there was ICE, sending out emails trying to lure these desperate students to sign up for Farmington.


    “It was almost as if it was planned,” Steingold said. “It was almost as if they knew when the schools lost their accreditation there’d be thousands and thousands of people here on a student visa from outside the country who are going to be looking for status, who are going to be desperate to stay in the country, because if you have to go back to India, apply there and start the whole process again, suffice it to say it’s going to be a significant disruption of their studies. Since most of them had work-study, they were desperate not just to stay in school, but to stay in their job.”

    1. No one cares what you lie shitbag.

    2. If the problem was accreditation, you’d think the students would check to see if the school they’re applying to was accredited…

      1. The issue wasn’t accreditation per se. The issue was being able to enroll in a school that was legally allowed to accept international student visa holders. And accredited schools are automatically allowed. But if, say, another institution was deceptively set up in order to make it appear as if it could also legally accept international student visa holders… That’s one of the problems here. Not just the fraud and the deception, but also the exploitation of these students right after they had been kicked out of a school that lost their accreditation.

        Imagine if a factory had closed down and all the workers lost their jobs, and the government decided to send undercover agents to the parking lot to try to entice just fired workers into a type of shady scheme to make money. That’s just a shitty thing to do.

        1. So you were lying.

  23. Not like fake scam universities are not an established thing. Just ask the president.

    1. LOL, Ok now that was pretty funny.

  24. Illegal and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

    This comment not approved by Silicon Valley brain slugs.

  25. Of course I believe in the presumption of innocence and wouldn’t trust just any statement a government agency extrudes. It’s hardly beyond the bounds of possibility that ICE is wrong in this Obama/Trump initiative.

    Just because Shikha and some unpopular commenters say something, doesn’t make it wrong.

    Naturally, I’d want to know the details of the “collegiate experience” of the “Farmington university students.” Did they just sign up , take no classes, and keep hold of their visas? If so that was illegal and they should be deported (or “removed,” since “deported” is an obsolete term I guess).

    OTOH, if they were entrapped by what they thought was a real university and tried to un-enroll once they realized the scam, yes my sympathies would be more on their side.

    Though I don’t see how the answer to visa fraud is to grant more visas.

    1. The Indian students have a chance to give their side. The Indian government has issued a note Expressing Concern, and presumably the U. S. government will do what we’d want the Indian govt to do if our own students in India were arrested – afford consular access, allow monitoring of the trials/hearings to make sure they’re actually guilty, that sort of thing.

      That’s not the same as letting the students go, it means allowing India the participation we’d want for our govt to have if the situation was all reversed. And if the students are in fact guilty hopefully the Indians will acknowledge this, but if not they at least had the chance to monitor the situation like we’d want in the reverse situation.

      1. (This is actually one of those situations where diplomats are actually useful, visiting their country’s citizens when they’re in a foreign prison. The U.S. has the most to gain from recognizing consular access rights – consider the number of Americans residing abroad, many of whom for whatever reason (even including guilt) end up in foreign prisons. We want to be able to monitor these situations and make sure it’s all on the up-and-up.)

    2. Eddy

      It is not about the number of visas. That is a separate issue.

      J-1 and H1-b. Melania Trump got here as an EB-1 as a fashion model.

      This whole system needs reform and not just for supermodels and high tech engineers. Neither political party wants to.

      Corrupt to the core.

      1. I mentioned the number of visas because the post indicated more visas might be some kind of cure for visa fraud.

        1. We are not far apart Eddy.

          I am not a Republican. I am not a Democrat.

          So both know to win an election they want me to show up and vote for one.

          Baby Yoda 2020.

          1. That baby is 50 years old.

  26. The New Jersey sting resulted in over 1,000 students losing their visa status and being thrown out of the country.

    Brilliant! Only 20 million more to go! 🙂

  27. Abolish Dalmia.

    1. Yep. The only good part of Reason’s begathon is that they gagged Shikha while it ran.

  28. Sorry, as soon as you recommended that H1-B caps be raised or scrapped, I knew that the author was dumb as a post. Back to school with you, child.

    Stop letting 5 year olds write articles.

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