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Here's What's Wrong with Time Declaring Greta Thunberg Person of the Year

Teen activists are righteously angry—but righteous anger does not produce sound public policy.

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The secular canonization of Greta Thunberg is complete: Time magazine has named her the 2019 Person of the Year, passing over candidates like the Hong Kong protesters or the Trump administration whistleblowers.

The designation is fairly arbitrary—how does one exactly quantify influence?—and shouldn't be taken too seriously (at least not after 2006). And though the tone of Time's article on Thunberg is very much hagiographical, the designation is not necessarily an endorsement of the winner: Adolf Hitler was Person of the Year in 1939. All this is to say that it really doesn't matter who wins Person of the Year, so nobody should be too upset that this year it's a 16-year-old climate-change activist.

And yet, the award does bolster the idea that Thunberg is someone whose righteous anger should be automatically translated into public policy. As Nick Gillespie observed in a piece about her activism, Thunberg is an avatar of "catastrophic thinking," and wrongly pushes a message of doom and gloom:

Greta Thunberg's histrionics are likely heartfelt but neither they nor the deplorable responses they conjure are a guide forward to good environmental policy in a world that is getting richer every day. For the first time in human history, half the earth's population is middle class or wealthier and the rate of deaths from natural disasters is well below what it was even a few decades ago. Protecting all that is just as important as protecting the environment and, more importantly, those two goals are hardly mutually exclusive.

After decades of treating children as little more than pets, the media now gives too much weight to the opinions of teen activists, particularly when they protest about issues like climate change, gun violence in schools, income inequality, etc. As Ilya Somin has written, young people—even ones who can credibly claim to have been especially harmed by some crisis—do not generally have special insights or strong knowledge of public policy. According to Somin:

The young, as a general rule, know less about government and public policy than other age groups. For that reason, they are also less likely to have valuable insights on how to address difficult issues. …

It would be a mistake to dismiss policy proposals out of hand, merely because of the age of their adherents. But it is also a mistake to ascribe any special political wisdom to the young. The fact that large numbers of young people support a political cause adds little, if anything, to its merits.

Thunberg is Time's Person of the Year, but that doesn't make her claims about the future of the planet any less wrong: We are not "in the beginning of a mass extinction," and the world is not going to end in the next 10-12 years barring the adoption of her radical ideas.

For more about teen activism, check out my book, Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trump.

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  1. You’re right, it’s more the middle of a mass extinction than the beginning.

    1. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      He actually referenced a Paul Ehrlich paper.

      Ehrlich in 1969:

      If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.

      Ehrlich in 1970:

      The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next 10 years.

      Ehrlich in 1970:

      In 10 years, all important animal life in the sea will be extinct.

      Ehrlich in 1974:

      Reid Bryson and some other climatologists are now pretty certain that the climate we experienced from 1930 to 1960 was the peak of a 1,000 year cycle. The world will not enjoy weather as good again for another 100 decades.

      1. Oh, that is rich. Ehrlich has been wrong on just about every prediction he’s made over his entire career. In any other profession, he’d have beed laughed out long ago.

        I really wish Ehrlich would make some predictions about stocks. I’m sure I could retire in a year just by investing the other way.

      2. If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.

        Well, it still exists, but is it still England?

        1. Ship of Theseus (the philosophical question, not the commenter.)

      3. What I find troubling is that, though Ehrlich has been spectacularly wrong, leftists wanted and still want him to be right so very badly. This is one reason I’m starting to come around to the idea that leftism is a disease.

        1. Also wise to consider that without Malthus Darwin’s argument really didn’t work.

            1. I’m guessing his point is that Malthus understanding that populations produce far more offspring than needed in the next generation provides the large numbers for natural selection.

              Or else he is on mushrooms.

              1. Except it’s false. The US has had a negative replacement birthrate for about a decade The ENTIRE WORLD will have a negative rate in 25-30 years, if current trends continue.

                As we learned in high school (junior high) birthrates decline as wealth and income increase, which is happening increasingly across the world.

                Kinda funny, considering Trump’s crazed immigration bullshit. Negative birthrates will see countries competing for MORE immigration. For now, Trump’s cult is fucking their own children, forced into paying massively higher FICA taxes, Fact is, our population would be DECLINING without immigration. Do the math on FICA taxes. EXPLODES some people’s minds!!

                1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano confirms once again that he’s afraid the Millennials will take his Social Security checks away.

                  1. (sneer)

                    1. (chortle)

                2. I see they’ve either let you out or restored your institutional access to online; how many hours a day are you permitted to bother people?

            2. Kinda What BigT said. Darwin didn’t have a mechanism that would allow for selection to reliably occur, then he read some Malthus and got his answer.

              Of course everyone conveniently or politely forgets that Malthus was staggeringly wrong.

              Read Darwinian Fairytales by David Stove, there is a chapter on the topic, and it (obviously) does a much better job of explaining this.

              1. Now about the mushrooms…

    2. Decent parody. The Ehrlich thing is gold.

    3. >If I were a gambler

      Yikes, the lack of self awareness from climatologists.

    4. If you think those young people are angry and frustrated now … wait until they find out that they have been lied to by the globalists who are using here stupidity to gain support from other stupid young people.

      Their youth has been stolen from them by their parents and their, their teachers and their progressive governements.

      They are going to be … ‘like’ … angry.

      1. Sorry about the typos. I thought I could edit later.

      2. Lied to worse than the ignorant Trumptards???

        1. Fuck off, slaver.

    5. *Snort* It’s understandable that passionate — and gullible — children would swallow the Apocalypse theory whole, but adults are supposed to be a little more critical than that. Recall that the only people who benefited from the first Children’s Crusade were Arab slave-dealers.

  2. //Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it…. All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children. //

    -George Orwell, 1984

    1. That is so apropos it hurts.

    2. + 1 functional brain

      1. Am I supposes to care somehow?

        1. One of them.

          1. See below.

    3. “All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. ”

      Is he talking about the Trumpists here? Substitute State for Trump.

      1. You’re looking for democraticunderground.com if you want to blindly rant about Trump, fucko.

    4. Orwell also predicted NewSpeak … a form of government mind control that manipulates people into believing the opposite of reality. “War is Peace” … “Freedom is Slavery” … “Ignorance is Strength”

      His only error was thinking it takes an authoritarian government to manipulate an entire population so entirely. Nonsense. The US is nowhere near the level of Orwell’s Oceania … BUT … we have two political parties brainwashing their (shrinking number of) loyalists, to believe the exact opposite of reality … so we now have TWO COMPETING NEWSPEAK BULLSHIT … a process which has been evolving for over 70 years … since the end of WWII …. where BOTH sides babble about a Postwar Boom that never happened!

      Democrat robots BELEEB the rich don’t pay their “fair share” of taxes, whatever the fuck that means! They pay 190% of their ACTUAL share of the income tax … which subsidizes roughly HALF THE ENTIRE MIDDLE-CLASS share.

      Republican robots BELEEB that income tax revenues “skyrocketed” after the Reagan Tax Cuts. CRAZED BULLSHIT, It was FICA tax revenues that skyrocket as five tax INCREASES phased in to “save” Social Security. INCOME tax revenues increased by an average of $5 billion per year (CHICKEN FEED) by 1990 … and ALL of that came from capital gains taxes, as the stock market recovered from a 70% loss … Personal and Corporate income taxes LOST revenues by 1990, an were NEVER paid for (as claimed).

      “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.”
      True, UNTIL we remove the shrinking minority of partisan loyalists … the BOTTOM of the gene pool. Then we look quite good!

      Geraje Guzba appears to be a

      1. Geraje Guzba appears to be among the most highly manipulated,

        1. Looks like we found another entry in Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s Enemies List!

          1. There is no “Enemies List:”

            There is a list of Reason Thugs, who are stalking cyber-bullies, launching unprovoked personal assaults … as you did here.

            The Authoritarian Right … burning books and shouting down different views for over 300 years.

            1. I’m on it a bunch of times. Which proves you should be subject to involuntary civil commitment as you are a danger to yourself and others?

              1. He is already under commitment; he just tells them what they want to hear so he can have internet access.

            2. Now Dumbfuck Hihnsano is lying about his Enemies List.

  3. Isn’t TIME that publication that went bankrupt because most people dont read MSM anymore?

    1. Here’s What’s Wrong with Time Declaring Greta Thunberg Person of the Year: It exposes Time as The Most Out of Touch Publication of The Year.

      1. “How Dare You!!”

        1. Shame it took this long

      2. Here’s What’s Wrong with Time Declaring Greta Thunberg Person of the Year: It exposes Time as The Most Out of Touch Publication of The Year.

        Narrowly edging out Rolling Stone who’s pledged to put Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, Bruce Springsteen, Keith Richards, Madonna, and Jimi Hendrix on each of their next 6 covers.

        1. Oh good, does that mean they decided to cover music again?

      3. Stay with “Man”. If they’re female use “Woman of the Year” If not sure, STFU!

    2. I’ll add that to lc1789’s other crazed bullshit. (lol)
      And the goobers who applaud such wackiness

      Trump had SIX bankruptcies (four recent) .. that he LIED about …. TO FOX NEWS!!

      (my italics)
      “I have never gone bankrupt, by the way,” Trump said. “I have never.”

      Moderator Chris Wallace questioned whether Trump could be trusted to handle the American economy in light of the fact Trump-related businesses have filed for corporate bankruptcy four times since 1991. ….

      “In 2011, you told Forbes Magazine this: ‘I’ve used the laws of the country to my advantage.’ But at the same time, financial experts involved in those bankruptcies say that lenders to your companies lost billions of dollars,” …. ”Question sir: With that record, why should we trust you to run the nation’s business?”

      Trump, who stressed that he had never personally gone bankrupt, suggested he merely used legal procedures to his advantage. ((HIS advantage means FUCKING EVERYONE ELSE!))

      “I have used the laws of this country — just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws ((bankruptcy laws)), to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family, et cetera,” Trump said. (((Is going bankrupt best for his company, its investors and vendors … OR HIMSELF … A MOOCH))

      Wallace dismissed this as Trump’s “line.” Wallace, like his father, and all GREAT journalists, extracts truth for your eyes and ears, and for YOUR judgment,

      (Here’s what Wallace COULD have said: “Anyone can use the law to their advantage … but that can NEVER include screwing the people who trust your most … your own investors, suppliers and non-family employees. Trump uses the law to EVADE yes … but, by using the law to HIS advantage Trump ESCAPES the damage his failures had inflicted on so many others.

      *****That is called gaming the system.“ ****

      He’s never gone bankrupt personally, only EVERY actual businesses he managed!! (OMFG).

      FACTS
      1) Trump Organization is an LLC … a massive loophole for a favored few … they enjoy the limited liability of a corporation (not personally responsible for debts and damages), but loopholed out of the corporate income tax.

      2) Every penny of Trump Organization’s revenues and profits are reported as personal income on his personal return. AND he campaigned on a 60% tax cut for himself! … on top of his 100% corporate loophole! He’d have been a billionaire paying a marginal (top) tax rate of 15%.
      ****What’s your top tax rate, sucker?

      Yes, he’s quite good as using the law to his best advantage. But when he says “all the greatest people do it every day” … No ACTUAL great person fucks those who trust them most!

      Trump is a Welfare Mooch … corporate welfare and crony capitalism.
      Tending a flock of brainwashed sheeple.

      **** LC1789 is also an Entitlement Mooch … slurping the gumimnt teat because … HE’S ENTITLED 🙂 🙂 🙂

      1. Corrected Link:
        (Chris Wallace calling out Trump for Trump’s many business failures …. which Trump LIED ABOUT! (no surprise)

        https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-i-have-never-gone-bankrupt-2015-8

        It’s a Clown Car!

      2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano is in no position to criticize anyone about bankruptcy.

          1. You’re some loser who lives off government. And even more so once you’re out in the Sanitarium.

          2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano pretends he didn’t declare Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

      3. It is a trick question with a trick answer. Trump PERSONALLY has not gone bankrupt. Trump has had COMPANIES go bankrupt numerous times.

        Now, Trump is a developer, and although I don’t applaud it, There is a reason developers turn every project into it’s own company. Lots of them go bankrupt. In this, Trump is no different than most large developers.

        1. Trump PERSONALLY has not gone bankrupt. Trump has had COMPANIES go bankrupt numerous times.

          That’s what I said, but far more honestly.

          ONE MORE TIME: companies he has managed. The issue is his COMPETENCE, which is WHY he’s now FAILING. GDP growth is now LESS than what Obama handed him! And he’s ALREADY added more 8-year debt than Obama did AFTER 8 years.

          Context: Obama handed him the longest recovery ever … but Trump’s economic growth has DECLINED … lower than Obama’s final year. And FAILED to improve the dismal Labor Force Participation Rate (mostly measures people who have given up on finding a job).

          Being worse than Obama is …. tragic … to all of us.

          In this, Trump is no different than most large developers.

          Diversion

          He’s also the ONLY President EVER forced to pay settlements for FRAUD (two), while in office.

          1. Go throw yourself into a running woodchipper feet first, cretin.

      4. Hypergraphia is a behavioral condition characterized by the intense desire to write or draw. Forms of hypergraphia can vary in writing style and content. It is a symptom associated with temporal lobe changes in epilepsy, which is the cause of the Geschwind syndrome, a mental disorder.[1] Structures that may have an effect on hypergraphia when damaged due to temporal lobe epilepsy are the hippocampus and Wernicke’s area. Aside from temporal lobe epilepsy, chemical causes may be responsible for inducing hypergraphia.

  4. So, since she’s on the cover she’s now literally Hitler?

    1. Or Stalin. She could be Stalin.

    2. Or Saddam Hussein

    3. Or the kid played by Billy Mumy in that old Twilight Zone episode?

      1. That came from a Harlan Ellison story, “Jeffty is Five”

        1. *facepalm*

          Jerome Bixy’s It’s a Good Life

    4. Or, Rudy Giuliani

    5. You know who else was literally Hitler?

      1. “How dare you?”

      2. Craig Ferguson

    6. Or Hitler Jr.

      Everyone always wonder what happened to Hitler Jr.

      1. And the clones.

      2. Boys from Brazil, Girls from Sweden.

        1. Ugly girls with bad attitudes from Sweden.

      3. He became Ronald Reagan?

      4. Or Judy Hitler.

    7. Or a computer.

      1. I waiting for it to be a rock with the caption because you all suck.

  5. As time passes, the leftists and globalists will give up on these propaganda outlets because the public will continue to see them for what they really are. The only reason anyone cares is because they remember the days when Time mag could lie to their faces and there was no direct push back. Nostalgia does not pass onto younger generations.

    1. Reason should remember that when they peddle their corporate press Trump fan-fic porn about impeachment.

    2. Though it is nice to finally see Time honor someone who is openly on the autism spectrum.

      1. They honored Ken?

      2. Billboard depicting a Down Syndrome child are used to raise donations to care for those unfortunates. But exploiting children unable to define energy or understand its unit of measure were a feature in Orwell’s 1984, joining “the Spies” to report people to the thought police–much like the ones trained by Nancy Reagan in 1986 as a sort of junior narc squad. Nazi, Soviet and Communist Chinese posters also abounded with children rather than explanations of why freedom or energy should be forcibly banned.

  6. Pirrahlo of the year.

  7. every goddam year someone has to put forth 1939 in a “I so smrt” way

    1. The only good thing about Greta is she might encourage more of the younger generations not to reproduce

      1. Not enough.
        Suicides are in order.
        Selfish bastards don’t really care about the environment

  8. I noticed Greta hasn’t quite caught on in America. I suspect that Greta’s just a little too weird for US sensibilities.

    1. The American press corps has been in love with retarded Europeans since Duranty was polishing Stalin’s knob. Regular people? Not so much.

      1. Ichiro? Your English is impeccable. Just wait until the American press corps become infatuated with Japanese!

        1. I already got the American bitches infatuated with this dick namean?

    2. Maybe if she smoked and wore makeup Americans would warm up to her.

      1. Hmm, lit her ass on fire and put a bag over her head you mean?

    3. There’s nothing novel about a scoldy bitchy entitled white teenage girl, and America is far more diverse than Europe so we don’t even identify with her racially or culturally to offset her vast negatives.

    4. I suspect that Greta’s just a little too weird for US sensibilities.

      Maybe if she fell down a well or was murdered by her parents…

      1. She kind of was murdered by her parents.

        1. The lobotomy was prescribed.

    5. I think she’s typecast herself. She’s left no room for expansion. All anyone remembers of her is “How dare you!” and it doesn’t carry over to many other fields.

      Pretty soon Burger King will have a commercial of a pouty little kid saying that in a McDonalds.

      Her 15 minutes are up.

      1. Look for her case of child celebrity syndrome in 10-15 years. She’ll join the likes of Gary Coleman and Mackenzie Phillips, only without the rerun royalties. Maybe she will one day realize how silly she and the AGW movement were and recant

      2. “Pretty soon Burger King will have a commercial of a pouty little kid saying that in a McDonalds.”

        From your lips to Madison Ave’s ears.

        1. Where’s the beef?

    6. I think when she’s in America, she’s usually using her other persona: David Hogg. The David Hogg persona is not needed much outside the US, so the Greta version gets more leash in the rest of the world.

    7. The issue is, she continues the Left’s usual practice of putting up people to voice their positions that you are not allowed to actually debate or disagree with.

      It used to be comedians. They’d make an idiotic political screed, then…well, clown nose off. Cannot criticize because I was just making a funny.

      Now it’s kids. “How dare you be mean to a kid?”

  9. Greta Thunberg’s histrionics are likely heartfelt but neither they nor the deplorable responses they conjure are a guide forward to good environmental policy in a world that is getting richer every day.

    Greta is exhibit A for why we should give Tweens the vote.

    1. Greta is exhibit A for why we should restore the voting age to 21.

      1. Greta is Exhibit A for why some animals eat their offspring. (It’s completely natural and organic and carbon-neutral, right?)

        1. It’s completely natural and organic and carbon-neutral, right?

          *taps fervently on calculator*

          Carbon-negative, actually.

        2. Also Non-GMO (hopefully) and Gluten Free.

        3. That’s a rather modest proposal.

      2. More like land owning males.

      3. “Greta is exhibit A for why we should restore the voting age to 21.”

        ^^^THIS^^^

        1. Behold the Authoritarian Right … squashing freedom, censoring opposing views and burning books (and witches) for over 400 years …. now copied by the Berkeley-left progs.

          FEEL the hatred..

          1. Yes, you are very hateful. We feel it.

  10. White guilt.

    1. They’ve stolen the guilt cult from the Church, which they are replacing. Just like the Rev keeps saying, except it’s the religious who are being replaced by AGW cultists.

  11. Greta Thunberg is a victim … of stupid parents.

    1. If by ‘stupid’ you mean ‘abusive’, I agree.

      1. How about, Stupid AND Abusive?

    2. Here’s What’s Wrong with Time Declaring Greta Thunberg Person of the Year
      Teen activists are righteously angry— mynordstrom employee portal but righteous anger does not produce sound public policy.

    3. What’s your excuse?

      1. What’s Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s excuse for having such a shitty relationship with his own kids?

  12. “or the Trump administration whistleblowers”

    Robbie’s Troll level = +1

    1. He meant the members of the Trump administration that outed the FBI.

    2. Robbie’s Troll level = +1

      That’s not very efficient. Try

      Robbie’s Troll level++;

      1. Doubleplusgood.

    3. It wouldn’t be surprising if Time made them people of the year, whatever Robby or any of us thinks.

  13. How many trees did that cover’s production kill?

    1. Probably around five. The only place you’ll find the print copy of Time is in doctor and dentist offices.

  14. At least she is not flying to these events in her private jet. I’ll give her that.

    1. She just has other people fly around so she can have her ‘green’ transport. And of course begs people to ‘donate’ the boats and such for her use. It’s all show.

      1. “The boats” would be too kind.

    2. True. Instead she flew a world champion yacht racer halfway across the globe to sail her to a conference in a 50 foot carbon fiber catamaran.

      1. “carbon fiber”

        Hugely, massivley toxic and polluting.

        1. How dare you!

        2. The carbon in the fibers is sequestered. The carbon burnt to make it, not so much.

      2. Imagine how much carbon was taken out of the air to make that carbon fiber cat?

        Sustainable.

        *drops mic*

    3. What sort of boy actually wants this girl as a prom date?

      1. The Pinball Wizard?

        1. But isn’t he in his 70’s now?

  15. In truth, she’s just a spoiled little brat, stamping her feet because she didn’t get a pony.

    1. No, she’s an emotionally troubled girl whose parents have goosed every internal fear and paranoia she suffers instead of working to dampen them.

      1. That’s not fair. I’m sure her schools played a big role in it too.

      2. In other words, the embodyment of a progressive.

  16. What’s really wrong about choosing Greta is that she wasn’t the tiniest bit influential. She is nothing more than an icon enjoying her 15 minutes of infamy.

    The only reasonable choice for most influential person of the year is Trump. But there’d be no virtual signalling in that.

    1. Exactly. Walk around the cubicles of the Time offices and say “Greta!” and wait for a reaction. Then do the same except say, “Trump!” and gauge the reaction. Whichever one garners the biggest reaction, either negative or positive wins.

      We all know which one would win.

      1. It’s like a taunt ability in a video game, only usable against progressives. ‘Power Word: Trump”. Enrages all progressives in hearing distance.

    2. An axiom of marketing is that dogs and kids sell-so they hope she will help be a better face for selling climate change than an obese white male septagenarian who flies around in a private jet.

    3. What’s really wrong about choosing Greta is that she wasn’t the tiniest bit influential.

      As influential as a truth.org ad.

      1. Those ads are very influential. I’ve been agreeing against smoking all my life. Watching their ads makes me want to go to the store and buy a whole goddamn carton of cigarettes.

    4. The Hong Kong students would be my choice.

      1. Time didn’t want to endanger their sales in China, their largest audience these past few decades.

  17. The worst thing about Time making an angry little girl demanding that we sacrifice our standard of living the person of the year is that for a few moments, I actually fell for their trolling.

    They’re just trolling us.

    They don’t believe she matters. They’re a fading publication of little relevance, and by making this ridiculous assertion, they’re trying to get some free attention.

    Don’t do their advertising for them unless they’re paying you. Don’t mention Time to anybody because of this. Don’t link to their website. They’re trolling us, and it’s our fault if we fall for it.

    They rang the doorbell and hid in the bushes so they could laugh at old people getting angry and shaking their fists at the world. Don’t fall for it.

    1. FYI, everyone lost interest in ‘person of the year’ after 1982.

    2. Actually, in my estimation, Trump was a strategic omission. If I scroll through previous ‘persons of the year’ Trump would be the first ‘new’ president that didn’t make the cover. Almost every president since Richard Nixon was ‘manPerson of the Year’ the year they were elected. Trump would be an outlier. And whatever you think of Trump, his impact on news and world events has been fucking ginormous.

      1. They’re trolling you.

        DFTT

      2. I would have thought Trump’s surprise election would have been the event of the year and made him the person of the year, however if Time had named him they probably would have immediately gone bankrupt because of the cancellations by their former readers.

        True story. On election night I was out of town and went to bed early with the election undecided. I got a call around 2:30 in the morning from my wife telling me her mother had passed away.

        I got up turned on the TV and was stunned to hear Trump had won.

        1. When you tell that story to progressives, do they arrive at the conclusion that Trump’s successful election killed your mother in law?

      3. what are you guys talking about I am pretty sure he was person of the year 2016.

        Agreed he should probably be person of the year 2016, 2017, 2018 and so on until his presidency is over, because it would be unlikely anyone would surpass his level of coverage.

        1. Shit, you’re right, how did I miss that? I guess I scrolled too fast. Ok then. Props to Time for consistency. Sorry, this just tells you how much attention I pay to Time. I have to find out who Dude of the Year is from Robby at Reason.

          1. I think I saw “The Silence Breakers” and whisked the ‘scroll up’ button quickly after that.

    3. The worst thing about Greta is that while she’s an ignorant, hectoring, arrogant, hypocritical know-it-all, she’s also a child so while it’s perfectly fine for her to angrily spout her nonsense your face and be praised as a wise and noble saint for it, you are a low, mean, nasty person for picking on a child if you criticize her and her ignorance and her presumption. She’s a perfect totem for the victim culture – she can claim whatever she wants and you’re not able to argue back because how dare you.

      I’ve mentioned here before a somewhat popular T-shirt from back when I was in school that featured the slogan “It’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand” which was doubly annoying on a college campus given that the point of an education is to learn from others’ experience and here you are saying to me that there’s no point in talking because I’m incapable of understanding. Whereof we cannot speak thereof we must be silent and all that. It’s become the same thing with every other identity group – I’m not allowed to speak of women things, gay things, foreign things, things of other cultures or religions or races or nationalities, while they’re perfectly free to lecture me about straight white middle-aged middle-class Western men things. I’m at the point where if you don’t let me talk I can beat the shit out of you and that’s a language I can make sure you understand. We can argue civilly – you know, like straight white middle-aged middle-class Western men do – or I can smash your fucking skull in the way uncivilized animals do, your choice.

      1. Her parents and everyone who enables her deserve a lot of scorn. Numbskulls of the highest order.

      2. Greta is just another child soldier in the broad range of media-induced culture wars. This is a disturbing trend that I hope stops some time soon, but I don’t expect it will.

        “It’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand”

        Richard Pryor used to pull that on his white wife to get away with shit. He said it didn’t work on his second wife who was black.

        1. He was also a comedian and so any outrageous story should be looked at skeptically.

          1. Especially stories about one’s wife. Though he was a pretty outrageous guy.

      3. “I’m not allowed to speak of women things, gay things, foreign things, things of other cultures or religions or races or nationalities,”

        You can write about all these things and more in the Reason comments section. You can even tell us how you really feel about Greta Thunberg, Time Person of the Year.

        1. But many of us would lose our jobs if we did that under our real names.

          1. Freedom isn’t free. I never promised you a rose garden.

            1. Remember that when you progtards reap the whirlwind.

            2. “Freedom isn’t free. I never promised you a rose garden.”

              Don’t you get embarrassed by such drivel?

      4. It’s a productive thing, you wouldn’t understand

      5. “here you are saying to me that there’s no point in talking because I’m incapable of understanding.”

        Or that they merely lack the means to effectively communicate certain aspects of the human condition.

        Or, possibly, it says something even worse.

        Thomas Nagel argued in “What Is It Like to Be a Bat” that it is effectively impossible for non bats, being so different from bats, to comprehend the experience of actually being one.

        So by saying “you wouldn’t understand” the people wearing those shirts could be declaring black people to be somehow permanently divorced from the rest of the human population in a immutable and incomprehensible manner.

        1. declaring black people to be somehow permanently divorced from the rest of the human population in a immutable and incomprehensible manner.

          Which sounds like a viable definition of racism to me.

      6. This is the best post ever.

    4. That’s just you Ken when Reason mentions racism. Nice try lol

    5. They rang the doorbell and hid in the bushes so they could laugh at old people getting angry and shaking their fists at the world.

      Greta is that bag of dogshit they left burning on our porch.

  18. “The Heart of Humanity” is a Canadian war movie from 1918 you can watch on Youtube. It includes a depiction of German combatants pushing women before them and holding up children tied to poles as human shields while invading a French town, Ypres, I believe. Yasser Arafat habitually carried a child as a hedge against snipers when bragging to reporters. Orwellian faking of past temperature records has not worked to fake Soviet predictions for the year 2017 (https://tinyurl.com/ycpxm9cb). Kiddie shields also have a poor track record as substitutes for measurements.

    1. Maniacs.

      And Arafat has a ‘Peace’ prize.

      Nobel and Time ain’t worth shit.

      1. No progressive run publication ever is. They’re always trash, because progressives are trash.

    2. Arafat is reported to have had other habits with children…

      1. Muslim men often fuck other men, and children. As their religion prevents them from normal sexual relationships with women outside of marriage. Instead they are driven to deviant behavior.

  19. A useful idiot.

  20. Any report on when Greta will be sailing her catamaran to India and China to hector and scold them on their carbon emissions?

    1. hopefully it gets sunk by a killer whale and she is ate by dolphins

      1. Kind of cruel, don’t you think? I mean- for the dolphins.

  21. Nobody remembers that being Time Person of the Year is not really a kudo. Hitler was a Person of the Year too. It has to do with influencing the news cycle. Thunberg got a lot of airtime, stirred up a lot of young people, got in a lot of boomer faces.

    1. Ok boomer.

      I’m just happy my daughter (Gen Z as it were) ain’t biting into this nonsense.

    2. She was a big hit in Europe, the US not so much. My take on her reception from the US markets was more one of bemused curiosity.

    3. Hitler was Man of the Year in 1939. It must have been another man who was 1939’s Person of the Year.

      1. Hitler was Man of the Year for 1938, the year of the Anschluss and Munich. In 1939, it was Stalin for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact that gave Hitler the leeway to invade Poland. (Stalin was also MOTY in 1942 because of Stalingrad and the halting of the German advance.)

        1. 1938 was Hitler’s best year. ‘General Bloodless’ is what the German’s called him. He had to be crazy to spoil it all.

          1. I see you left off the cite.
            IOWs, you’re full of shit.

    4. It’s just laughable that progressives think she is in any way impressive. It just shows what tiny minds and stunted dreams they really have.

  22. This will age well like when they made that guy in Germany with the little moustache who hated Jews and made crazy faces Person of the Year.

    Time and Greta deserve each other.

    1. Greta is Swedish, not German. Sweden didn’t go rampaging across Europe and Russia.

      They just sold iron ore to the Germans so that they could do it.

      1. Are you a retard?

        1. Birds of a spectrum perseverate together

      2. I see you’ve forgotten Gustavus Adolphus, who rampaged about Europe, his distant predecessors the Swedish Vikings, who probably founded the line of Tsars in Moscow, and finally Charles XII, who tried to defend Swedish possessions in the Baltic countries by invading Russia, came short of taking Moscow, and somehow wound up in Turkey.

        But Greta is worse. She is attempting to rampage across the world economy.

  23. The secular canonization of Greta Thunberg is complete: Time magazine has named her the 2019 Person of the Year

    This is a great day for child soldiers everywhere!

  24. Anyone really worked up abt econazis exploiting special kids to ban U.S. electricity ought to make a donation to Tony Heller at realclimatescience.com
    The guy blogs and gives away warez you can use to download national thermometer data and graph the temperatures v time. Any spreadsheet will show you the trendline is downward, negative, falling temperatures for the past 100 years. Any normal IQ kid over 12 can do it.

    1. I enjoy Heller.

      1. Judith Curry’s blog is the best on climate.

        https://judithcurry.com/

    2. Thanks to common core, the normal kid IQ IS 12.

  25. And though the tone of Time’s article on Thunberg is very much hagiographical, the designation is not necessarily an endorsement of the winner: Adolf Hitler was Person of the Year in 1939.

    I’m not sure which one of them this statement is more of an affront to.

    1. Oops. Didn’t see your comment. But it’s true. Hard to deny the impact he had. Hard to see any comparable impact from this child. Not Mother Teresa anyway

    2. 1938, not 1939.

      1. 0.05% margin of error.

  26. Young people have less stock in the status quo and are more apt to look to the future. They also act with more courage than older people.

    1. “more apt to look to the future”

      Yeah. You can tell that by how they invest money and handle credit.

      1. “You can tell that by how they invest money and handle credit.”

        It’s natural young people have less faith in the status quo and things like money and credit which underpin it. Young people are the last to cling to the status quo and its trappings.

        1. And yet they’re the ones that want all those trappings to be given to them for free.

          1. I’ve yet to meet a two year old who could earn his own keep.

            1. And I’ve yet to meet a two year old who thinks his college should be free.

            2. “I’ve yet to meet a two year old who could earn his own keep.”

              I’m sure you’ve met a lot who are not nearly as full of shit as you are.

            3. Trueman, we already think you’re an idiot. No need for you to double down in this fashion.

              1. The ‘opinion’ part is a bell rung long ago; he’s an idiot posting drivel in the hopes it is seen as profound.
                Or simply posting bullshit.

    2. Yeah, they do. That’s why tens of millions of them have pledged to never drive or ride in any fossil fueled vehicle until the average world temperature drops by 2 C.

      1. Do you mean they’ll stay home? I could get behind that. But Greta could not get to news events in Sweden, let alone the USA, without the use of fossil-fueled transportation.

    3. More apt to look five minutes into the future. Very few young people, especially nowadays, seem to think beyond their next paycheck.

      1. Surely that’s just because they’re too busy worrying about whether they’ll literally survive to see that paycheck, what with the world ending, creditors hunting them down in the streets over their college loans, and the open gang warfare in the urban, gentrified neighborhoods they pay through the nose to favor. Right?

    4. “Young people have less stock in the status quo and are more apt to look to the future.”

      Bullshit.

    5. Young people have less stock in the status quo and are more apt to look to the future.

      Your average young person knows nothing, can do nothing, is justifiably terrified of their future, and thinks they deserve the lifestyle of the rich and famous just for existing.

      They also act with more courage than older people

      Yes, as many Darwin award winners can attest to. Wiser people simply call that recklessness.

    6. Predictably falling in line with their programming is “courage”?

      Haha.

      1. Remember how ‘edgy’ H-wood lefties were ‘brave’ telling Bush jokes? Same sort of ‘courage’ right here.

    7. They also act with more courage than older people.

      True, just look at the Hitler Youth.

        1. You’re confused. The brown garments are our diapers, after you have soiled them. Which is the source of your after dinner “snacks”.

  27. Autumn Falls took second in the voting.

    1. They should have posthumously given it to August Ames.

  28. Yeah. And Adolph Hitler was Man of the Year in 1938. I still don’t think this kid has affected much. 15 minutes of fame. Yahoo!

  29. Why are you giving this publication what it wants – ie, clicks?

    Time is the publication that said *the EU* was person of the year. That said *you* were person of the year. Yassar Arafat.

    Time is just doing the same thing Playboy did when they featured the transgender centerfold – desperately looking for something that would get people to give them some money so an irrelevant publication long past its shelf life could hang on for a bit longer before going into receivership.

    1. As a Time person of the year, I’m offended.

  30. I’m not sure why anyone cares who Time considers person of the year. Just because Time Magazine might have been relevant in the past is no reason to consider them relevant going forward. Just like Reason Magazine, or any other publication.

    Notice, for example, that at one point Life Magazine was considered a trendsetting publication. Look where they are now. (They don’t exist anymore, just to save people time in looking it up.)

    1. I’m not sure why anyone cares who Time considers person of the year

      I agree. Trump is SO stupid to care so much.
      And so SHAMEFUL in displaying a bullshit Time cover, with HIMSELF as Person of the Year, at all his golf courage … now his raging shitfit that he as AGAIN rejected.

      1. Tome to eat you banned and scrubbed again. You’re not wanted here.

        By anyone, ever.

  31. I can’t wait for the “Where Are they Now?” segment in 20 years.

    1. There is a 100% chance that the climate in 20 years will be nearly indistinguishable from the climate today, and a 100% chance that in 20 years Greta and her ilk will be insisting that we only have a short time to make massive sacrifices to save the planet.

    2. Assistant manager at a Chick-fil-A

      1. Weighing 300 lbs..

      2. Not nice enough

  32. Why do people keep saying that Trump was man of the year in 1938? I don’t think he was even alive

    1. HE FOUND A WAY!!!!!!! The Russians were behind it!

  33. and the world is not going to end in the next 10-12 years

    Paging Harold Camping…

  34. Look, nothing is dumber or more annoying than humans from ages 12-20 or so. That’s why so many cultures invented reasons to send them away. (Hey, kiddo, you just turned 13? Great, time for your vision quest!)

    The mistake we made was turning them into a focus of consumer marketing, and otherwise accommodating all their insane desires.

    We were better off when not all teens survived their time away.

    1. How dare you!

      Pandering does not discriminate against naive, gullible young people. Get with the times!

      Haha.

    2. Get them hooked on your product as teens and they are customers for life.

  35. I don’t know about you but I’m gonna get my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames!

  36. Does anyone really care about Time magazine?

  37. But I bet Reason will follow the Covington teen, or whatever he says, lol. Textbook propaganda.

    1. Incoherent rambling.

      1. You’re too generous; that doesn’t get close to “incoherent”.
        Infantile whining, perhaps.

        1. Better than your incoherent willful ignorance.

          1. “Better than your incoherent willful ignorance.”

            Did mommy teach you to type words of more than one syllable, you fucking lefty ignoramus?

    2. Says the cretin that wouldn’t know how to function in life without its smartphone.

  38. WHAT is this Time Magazine thing people are ranting about?

    1. It’s a thing you roll up and swat flies with.

  39. Judging by past recipients, “Person of the Year” is just a polite way of saying “Biggest A—hole of the Year”. And I fully support Greta’s nomination for that award.

  40. ‘hagiographical’

    Ooh I learned a new word today!

    Also I thought Greta’s schtick was more excoriating adults for not doing anything, rather than specifically telling them what to do. So far as that goes, it’s not inaccurate, we’ve done fuck all to reduce the impact of climate change.

  41. “Here’s What’s Wrong with Time Declaring Greta Thunberg Person of the Year”

    She’s an un-licked cub with much emotion and little logic. She is the poster-girl for why the voting age should be much later than it is.

    1. Ohhhhhhh, you’re so smart! Did you hear that from some other site? Do you listen to the loudest right wing voice, and go about your day?

      Nah, not many thinkers around this site. They absorb talking points around here real quick.

      1. “Ohhhhhhh, you’re so smart!”
        Thank you , you fucking lefty ignoramus.

        “…Did you hear that from some other site? Do you listen to the loudest right wing voice, and go about your day?…”
        No, unlike fucking lefty ignoramuses, I did some research and decided the issue.

        “Nah, not many thinkers around this site….”
        You could add to the total by fucking off and dying.

      2. Go throw yourself into a running woodchipper feet first. As mulch you’d actually serve a useful purpose.

  42. Global warming was an easy sell to me not too many years ago. I love nature, and people can kinda suck sometimes, so I was on board.

    Then it got so very self righteous, hostile, and dire. This is how people who want to control you act. I’m out.

    Seems that people don’t like being talked down to. Go figure.

    It’s almost like the alarmists are more interested in creating boogeymen and resentment, and drawing battle lines than working toward consensus and meaningful change. Hmmmmm.

    Haha.

    1. You let your ability to determine reliable sources of facts hinge on whether someone hurts your feelings?

      You must be a fucking moron.

      1. “You must be a fucking moron.”

        Coming from a fucking lefty ignoramus, that amounts to a compliment.

      2. You let your ability to determine reliable sources of facts hinge on whether someone hurts your feelings?

        Microaggressions are indeed BS, hence the vacuity of progressives.

  43. I enjoy my modern, energy-intensive lifestyle, including such luxuries as air travel and not freezing in the dark, and I will continue to do so no matter how much some creepy little girl scowls at me.

    -jcr

    1. Well, if you stopped bringing 12 items to the express lane there would be one less creepy little girl doing it.

    2. I enjoy things too that I can convince myself have no external costs or cause no harm to other people.

      The human mind is an impressive thing. I could blow up a city block and convince myself it was God’s will. So could you. Apparently you have. Golf clap for your bravery in enjoying things while ignoring the consequences.

      1. Go freeze in the dark, you guilt-peddling twat.

        -jcr

      2. Tony
        December.12.2019 at 3:42 pm
        “…I could blow up a city block and convince myself it was God’s will…”

        Or, as a fucking lefty ignoramus, that it was ‘for the common good’. Your faves Stalin and Mao murdered millions under that claim, as did your fave Hitler who gassed millions. Your faves the Weather Underground did exactly what your try to blame on others for the same reason.
        Don’t you feel virtuous, shitbag?

      3. Still “believing” in science, little Tony?

        1. Still defending Trump’s PRO-NAZI and PRO-RACIST agenda, proud Jerk?
          https://reason.com/2019/12/11/greta-thunberg-time-person-of-the-year/#comment-8050125

          1. You’re the Nazi and racist here, and he isn’t defending you.

  44. It is hard to say who the Person of the Year is this year, so it is fair to name Greta, even though she is a clueless teenager, as she is in the running. It goes to the person who most influences events for the prior year, even if the readers don’t agree with the winner. As the article mentions, Hitler got it too, because he did most influence events in 1938, but I don’t think the readers agreed with any of his policies. For the most part, this is one of the areas where it’s left-leaning biases are disregarded. It’s biggest recent problem is that the person of the year has been the winner of the Presidential Election every four years, although there are likely people who should win; this didn’t used to be the case and more reflects the laziness of its readers.

  45. I’m just happy they didn’t choose the E.U.

    1. Speaking of which, congratulations are in order to the British people for choosing independence from the 4th Reich today. Now, if they can only get a lid on their home-grown commies, they might do quite well in the years to come.

      -jcr

      1. July 4, 1776 = November 12, 2019

  46. It is truly fitting that a Marxist prodigy appear on the cover of a purely Communist publication. This is as stupid as Obama getting a peace prize for doing exactly nothing. Greta is nothing more than a brainwashed child resulting from years of Marxist propaganda being constantly injected into her mushy brain. There is no one on the plant worthy the title of person of the year since so many great people would be excluded. So sorry Greta dear, you are one of the last persons on the planet I consider to be of any consequence.

    1. There is no one on the plant worthy the title of person of the year

      Uh, what about Willie Nelson?

  47. It is truly fitting that a Marxist prodigy appear on the cover of a purely Communist publication. This is as stupid as Obama getting a peace prize for doing exactly nothing. Greta is nothing more than a brainwashed child resulting from years of Marxist propaganda being constantly injected into her mushy brain. There is no one on the planet worthy of the title of person of the year since so many great people would be excluded. So sorry Greta dear, you are one of the last persons on the planet I consider to be of any consequence.

  48. How does anyone take seriously someone who says that the world is going to end in twelve years unless we do something now, and BTW, nuclear power is off the table?

    1. I’ve read enough Sci-Fi. Anybody who says the world is ending in 12 yrs. who isn’t:
      -Drinking themselves into a stupor
      -Busy profusely hugging loved ones, saying “I love yous”, and taking them to the Grand Canyon, to Church to pray, to the top of the Empire State Building, or to France to see the Mona Lisa or whatever
      -Packing supplies for shipping off to a remote bunker, missile silo, or mineshaft
      -In the middle of exhaustively engineering a McGuffin device that could save the world
      -Any combination of the above
      is full of shit.

      The only people who think “The world is gonna end in 12 yrs., I’ve got to get to the UN!” already work at the UN and if they don’t, they’re fucking delusional.

      1. Well done. Succinct, yet pithy.

      2. “”-Packing supplies for shipping off to a remote bunker, missile silo, or mineshaft””

        Yet the same people that would say the world is ending in 12 years says those people are crazy.

      3. Agreed. Well done.

  49. How about her hypocrisy? She doesn’t seem to be bothered by people who agree with her having monumental pollution issues.

  50. Uber Woke Scold. They should start a youth movement or something.

  51. Wait; TIME still exists? I though they had gone the way of LESLIE’S WEEKLY.

    1. You’ve ALWAYS been stupid like that.

  52. They’re not righteously angry. They are foolish, ignorant, hysterical brain-washed tools.

  53. Stalin was Time Magazine’s Man of the Year.
    Hitler was Time Magazine’s Man of the Year.
    So why not have a mentally challenged teenager who obviously doesn’t take her meds as Time Magazine’s Man of the Year?
    The world needs more mentally ill people running the world if we are to achieve the bliss of a one-world government run by sociopaths, thugs and thieves.
    Otherwise we will all suffer the dire consequences of freedom and capitalism, and who in their right mind wants that?

    1. I haven’t seen the crazy Uncle Jay sock in quite a while.

      Like so many DUMBASSES here, the DUMMY thinks Time’s PERSON of the Year is an ENDORSEMENT Yes, THAT stupid. Pay attention, while I dumb it down for all the Gomers.
      1) It’s a NEWS magazine
      2) POTY is the MOST NEWSWORTHY person of the year
      3) Still confused? It’s who had the most impact for the year.
      4) She OBVIOUSLY had a lot. Look at all the raging hatred she has engendered, and not just here.

      Now wipe the pie off your puss, so I can stop laughing at you.

  54. I have literally never seen anything as fucking pathetic as grown-ass fat white men crying into their pudding over a child having an opinion about something.

    Normally a child expressing an opinion about something wouldn’t attract so much pearl clutching from grown-ass men. Maybe the problem is that she was articulate and effective. Hence the honor. Hence the truly embarrassing counter-reaction from right-wing fucktards who don’t believe in science.

    1. Normally a child expressing an opinion about something doesn’t end up on the cover of Time, but whatever…

      1. You people really are mad that Trump didn’t get his magazine cover.

    2. “…Normally a child expressing an opinion about something wouldn’t attract so much pearl clutching from grown-ass men…”

      To those of us who are not a fucking lefty ignoramus, the importance has to do less with her worthless opinion than the ink awarded her for stating that bullshit.

    3. I’ve never seen anything more pathetic than you leftards treating that child like she’s someone worth listening to as she parrots the party line with a heaping pile of adolescent indignation.

      -jcr

      1. YOU swallow Trump’;s bullshit, like so many alt-right conservatards.
        So sad that your life is so empty.

        1. Fuck off and die, shitlib.

    4. “Believe” in science. You’re still using that quasi-religious term like it’s some kind of lifeboat in the sea of your fears. Educated people — of which you aren’t — don’t “believe” in science, you ignorant dolt.

      You need to take anything you have to say on pretty much any topic and just shove it up your own ass. You have zero credibility on anything.

      1. Apropos, Tony: “Knowledge is something which you can use.
        Belief is something which uses you.”

        – Idries Shaw

  55. It mystifies me why an ignorant young propagandist is getting any attention at all. She certainly has no understanding of the climate “science,” pathological though it may be, she’s parroting.

  56. Teen activists are righteously angry—but righteous anger does not produce sound public policy.WRONG, dilettante.
    That’s how WE (including me) ended the VietNam war, and motivated major advances in civil rights. Unlike YOUR generation of WHINERS.

    And WE who launched(in 1960) the libertarian movement … now dominated by whiny pussies of the Authoritarian Right.

    1. Corrected for alarity

      Teen activists are righteously angry—but righteous anger does not produce sound public policy.

      WRONG, dilettante.
      That’s how WE (including me) ended the VietNam war, and motivated major advances in civil rights. Unlike YOUR generation of WHINERS.

      And WE who launched(in 1960) the libertarian movement … now dominated by whiny pussies of the Authoritarian Right.

      1. Holy shyt, completely lays bare the underlying psychosis, is incapable of self reflection

    2. Oh crap. The Ghost of Hihns Past has shown up.

      1. Oh, crap … anotherr Trumptard DENIES the fight for Civil Rights and equality, as ACCELERATED by teens …. DENIES the antiwar movement launched by teens ….. DENIES THE BLATANT RACISM THAT LAUNCHED THE CIVIL RIGHTS REVOLUTION

        JUST LIKE TRUMP’S SHAMEFUL LIES TO DEFEND RACISTS AND NEO-NAZIS.

        1. Trump lives rent-free in your plaque-clogged brain, doesn’t he?

          Also, you demented nut, his full quote was “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

          Tell me what part of that quote had him defending Nazis?

          Finally, a big giant Christmas “fuck you”, wrapped up in a bow, for forcing me to defend Trump. Go back to watching CNN on the day room TV.

          1. OH, GOODIE … I GET TO EXPOSE ANOTHER BRAINWASHED TRUMPIAN ?FOOL!

            Tell me what part of that quote had him defending Nazis?

            THIS PART, IN A YOU PATHETIC, BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT,
            UNLIKE YOU, WHINY PUSSY, I LINK TO ABSOLUTE PROOF.

            The actual video …Trump’s own voice … stating a PROVEN lie at press conference… as the snotty punk he is.

            “What about the alt left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt right? Do they have any assemblage of guilt? What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do.”

            Trump lied … shamelessly — to defend Nazi and racist assaults. SHOUTS DOWN news media – as he always does when guilty. Calls them LIARS. “I watched it all on television … SO DID YOU.”

            NEXT: PROOF THAT TRUMP IS A PSYCHO LIAR ,… AND YOU A FUCKING FOOL

            1. If you think Trump calling the news media liars is somehow bad, you’re too far gone to reason with.

          2. PART TWO : VIDEO PROOF: (SNEER) The initial assault. … (Private video found on an alternate news twitter feed)

            “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
            Alt-Right Fascists/Racists charge en masse, swinging clubs.
            Fascists carrying police-style riot shields. The assholes CAME for violence.

            TRUMP LIE: Alt-left led the assault
            PROOF: Alt-RIGHT did that

            TRUMP LIE: Alt-left attacked swinging clubs.
            PROOF: Alt-RIGHT -right DID … and had the ONLY clubs.
            Alt-LEFT standing peacefully, arms locked (like the 60s), not possible to carry ANYTHING

            TRUMP LIE: Alt-left wearing black helmets
            PROOF: Alt-RIGHT wearing black (NAZI) helmets, carrying NAZI flags,

            ****SHAME ON EVERYONE who LIES about the truth, to defend a morally debased President, over country and honor.
            ****I’M LOOKING AT YOU, FREDDY (SNORT)

            NEXT: THE SMOKING GUN … TRUMP MUST BE REMOVED … FOR ABUSE OF POWER (lies, shouting down dissent) … AND DISGRACING THE PRESIDENCY.

            1. Lying is cause for removing a Chief Executive? What the hell planet are you from?

          3. Part Three: KAPOW : 4 men found guilty in violent Charlottesville rally described as ‘serial rioters’ …. by Trump’s own DOJ!!! (snort)

            Three members of a white supremacist group were sentenced to prison Friday for kicking, choking and punching multiple people during the 2017 “United the Right” rally in Charlottesville and other rallies in California. The three were members of the California-based militant white supremacist organization “Rise Above Movement.”

            A fourth defendant, Cole Evan White, will be sentenced at a later date, the attorney’s office said.

            “These defendants, motivated by hateful ideology, incited and committed acts of violence in Charlottesville, as well at other purported political rallies in California,” U.S. Attorney Thomas T. Cullen said.

            “They were not interested in peaceful protest or lawful First Amendment expression; instead, they intended to provoke and engage in street battles with those that they perceived as their enemies.”

            This has been converted to a Press Release, sent to all major media outlets, with all evidence … and to the House impeachment committees … when the timing seems optimal.

            Trump’s not the only psycho on the alt-right. They cannot challenge PROOF … so lots of screeching, yelling and infantile assaults … just like Trump’s lyin’-sack-of-shit Presser
            STILL looking at you, Freddy

            1. They haven’t banned you again already? Someone’s not earning his pay at Reason.

              1. Bully is ENRAGED that Trump was PROVEN a liar. DEMANDS the oppressor be silenced. Has Finrod always been a Berkeley student proggie?

                DEMANDS that anyone expressing libertarian values and positions, on a libertarian website … should be BANNED from that libertarian website … BECAUSE he or she defends the same values as the website!

                Oh.

                1. You declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy, and your own kids hate you.

            2. Oh, Trump’s own DOJ found them guilty, but he’s a supporter of Nazis? Is that how your mental processes work? Are you aware of how easily he could have had them cleared if he wanted? Educate yourself on the New Black Panther Party’s voter intimidation case.

              You have nothing but some intentionally misinterpreted shit from a single protest that happened years ago to hang your hat on, but, just like with your out-of-context Scalia bullshit, you continue to flog a dead horse. You’re intellectually bankrupt.

        2. Seriously, I used to think you were making an honest attempt to defend your libertarian (Libertarian?) ideals. But all of your intentionally out-of-context garbage (n.b., Scalia) just makes me think you’re another dishonest shitweasel.

          1. THIS “SHITWEASEL” JUST POSTED ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT YOUR ARE A LYING SACK OF SHOIT …. AND SO FUCKING SELF-RIGHTEOUBS A

            1. Ooops, posted itself

              SERIOUSLY, THIS “SHITWEASEL” JUST POSTED ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT YOU ARE A LYING SACK OF SHIT …. AND SO SELF-RIGHTEOUS A PRICK … WHO WAS MANIPULATED …. A PUPPET ON A STRING … INTO LYING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID ….

              ****THIS proves you a TOTAL PSYCHO … A PROVEN FUCKING LIAR ABOUT HIS “FULL QUOTE” …
              ****which you MINDLESSLY pasted from some website of the CRAZED RIGHT WING ….
              ****THE PRESS CONFERENCE WAS 16 MINUTES, YOU DROOLING IMBECILE
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGKbFA7HW-U

              Finally, a big giant Christmas “fuck you”, wrapped up in a bow, for forcing me to defend Trump. Go back to watching CNN on the day room TV.

              ANYTHING ELSE, CHUMP?
              (SNEER)

              (My tone and boldface in SELF-DEFENSE …. of MINDLESS ASSAULT …. by a PROVEN asshole …. a TOTAL fucking loser …. AND self-righteous …. just like Trump.

              1. Unlike you, Trump has a good relationship with his kids. No wonder you’re so fucking jealous.

        3. Oh, crap … anotherr Trumptard DENIES the fight for Civil Rights and equality, as ACCELERATED by teens …. DENIES the antiwar movement launched by teens ….. DENIES THE BLATANT RACISM THAT LAUNCHED THE CIVIL RIGHTS REVOLUTION

          Wow! I did all that, just by making a snide comparison to a character is a Dickens novel? When do I get my Troll-of-the-Year award???

  57. Who needs “special insights or strong knowledge” when you have an easily manipulated but sympathetic muse at your disposal.

    Just remember that all old politicians were once young too.

  58. Time is not “wrong,” authoritarian thugs. It’s their cover.
    You merely disagree. So do I. But *I* ain’t an authoritarian thug.

  59. Greta Thunberg deserves a sound public spanking and a raft, solar and wind powered, initially pointed at Sweden to take her home. If she is roasted with solar or blown off the raft by “nature”, the world would be better off.

    16 year-olds know nothing that is not athletic or musical, or involved with spatial relationships — such as Chess or Go. They can sometimes do well with such rote behavior. Climate Change is a very difficult issue and one that is clearly way beyond her. Her impudence needs rebuking. Whoever enabled her needs a hammering.

    But she is small potatoes. The hammer, rather than a public spanking, is what needs to be reserved for the hysterical media that has used her dimwitted policy conclusions as something serious. Seriously, her policy suggestions would wreck the world long before any imagined climate change effects would.

    Just for the record, I think climate change is real and is significantly man-made.

    What seems rarely discussed is “adaptation” to climate change — not “fighting” or “tackling” it. The King Canutes of this world may think they can order the tides not to come in. They cannot.

    Their own data shows that doing all they suggest would fail to keep the temperature below what they say will create a disaster.

    So, rather than causing economic destruction, they would be well advised to focus on adaptation. The Netherlands seem one of the few which has. So have some low island nations that are trying to move their populations elsewhere. Those are tough, expensive decisions. Few will “tackle” them.

    But today, hysteria seems to sell the best, so we get the likes of Greta, instead of intelligent discussion of reality.

  60. Listen to the disturbed teen-aged girl with Asperger’s and do whatever she says about global warming.

  61. Oh my god pick on someone your own size you diseased cunts.

    You could ignore her, but you don’t, which can only mean she gets under your skin.

    You don’t deserve a seat at the ideas table because you reject science you don’t like, like a fucking moron. You people should shut up and never talk. Your irrational anger at a child for having an opinion is something you can work out with your Obamacare shrink, you ridiculous nutfucks.

    1. She doesn’t have any science and neither do you, retarded fucknut.

    2. I’d love to ignore her, but the fucking media keeps pushing her down everyone’s throat as the Gaia Prophet.

      Fuck that. If she wants to make herself an international political figure, to the point where she gets invited to the UN to throw a self-serving temper tantrum, she deserves all the shit she gets.

    3. Us non-“science believers” pick on her for a very good reason: She’s allowing herself to be used as a puppet to push destructive public policy. Policy that would eliminate property rights, the right of free association, and decimate (or worse) the most advanced economies in the world, all in the name of “climate justice”. So no, we do not have the luxury of ignoring her *public* tantrums.

      As for “rejecting science we don’t like”, please point me to a peer-reviewed paper that does not rely upon a closed-source computer model and/or private data, that a) predicts the kinds of doomsday scenarios she’s pushing, and b) includes proof of prediction accuracy when working with historical data.

      Science isn’t a religion Tony. You don’t “believe” in hypotheses.

    4. Incidentally, what “table” are you denying me a seat at? Is that the one where unelected, trans-national bureaucrats, whose only discernible skill is in feeding at the public trough, decide what kind of life my kids get to live?

      Those jackboots in your closet are just crying to be laced up, aren’t they?

    5. Words of wisdom from Reason’s very own pet retarded monkey.

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  64. Robby would be a lot more persuasive that Greta shouldn’t be so dang ‘alarmist’ if he didn’t completely ignore the fact that so many people outright denied the problem entirely for going on 30 years. Of course, some still do, at that. So-called “skeptics” have obfuscated and otherwise poisoned the well of facts surrounding environmental issues so effectively for so long that overwhelming evidence still can’t penetrate the sphere of denial paralyzing the politics of the issue. The side that is most needed to bring its perspective into economically workable solutions has painted itself into a corner. After nearly three decades of claiming that it is all a leftist conspiracy to take over the global economy, how do they admit their failure to acknowledge reality now?

    Greta’s critics here make the mistake of thinking that her youth is a liability. But in a very important way, it is her biggest asset, and I don’t mean symbolically. As someone that was an adult already when the science was clear enough to warrant action thirty years ago, I’ve lived with the reality of the denial machine my whole adult life. I’ve lived through decades of economic growth built on fossil fuels that have delayed the full cost of their use to a time long after all of the profit is spent.

    Greta, on the other hand, is looking at this situation with fresh eyes and with no illusions that this pyramid scheme can continue indefinitely. The environmental bill of two centuries of economic growth is past due.

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