Documentary

Hello, Privilege. It's Me, Chelsea.

The film flounders when Handler visits a spoken-word night to see college kids talk about microaggressions, but the film gets better when it shifts focus to more grave issues.

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In an age where wokeness matters above all, comedian and talk show host Chelsea Handler is trying to scrub her unsavory comedic past with a Netflix documentary. In Hello, Privilege. It's Me, Chelsea., Handler sets out to learn how her whiteness perpetuates systems of racial oppression.

The film initially flounders, with a segment in the first half where she visits a spoken-word night to see college kids talk about microaggressions. A student confronts her, saying that Handler being merely present at the event is yet another example of her privilege. Such an exchange is, alas, not particularly novel these days.

In the second half, Handler leaves college and actually gets somewhere, visiting a memorial in Birmingham, Alabama, for lynching victims. This starkly reveals modern microaggression discourse as petty compared to horrifying, too-recent actual histories of oppression. Handler also reunites with her black ex-boyfriend, Tyshawn, who served a 14-year prison sentence for armed robbery. They talk about how, back in high school, Handler was treated differently than Tyshawn was when caught with dime bags of weed.

Too often, microaggression-obsessed college kids suck the air out of race discourse while people who have seen the evils of our criminal justice system up close get ignored. Handler is at her best sitting in Tyshawn's family home, sharing a meal with people she used to love and rejoicing in their ability to overcome the hardest of circumstances. Her relative privilege is most on display then—but so is her realness.

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  1. Better title: Chelsea Handler – Coward

    1. Based on the title I thought it was a documentary about Chelsea Clinton – how she was born on third base, but thought she hit a triple.

      1. Same here. Funny how that particular sort of privilege is rarely discussed.

        1. It’s the same privilege. Affluent white liberal overly protected by their politically correct thinking parents too eager to point the finger at other people as the source of all the world’s ills.

          1. Well said. Pithy, in fact.

      2. Me, too.

        By the way, why aren’t the Democrats at least grooming Chelsea for running for President? As in, at least, having her run for the House or Senate.

        I believe she’s old enough and is interested in politics, but maybe I’m wrong about that.

          1. If true, that would probably be a feature, not a bug from the perspective of the prospective political handlers.

            1. Hasn’t stopped Kamala…

        1. She is, maybe not 2020, but she will. She’s very active, out giving speeches, building a following.

        2. She, according to studies, is the most boring person on the planet.

        3. probably because Mama wouldn’t be able to stand her daughter getting the presidency while she couldn’t. Also, I think they’re trying to keep their heads down right now since Epstein’s still a thing, and it would be brought more to the forefront if any of the Clinton gang ran. In this, they’re smarter than Biden is with Ukraine.

          1. A book tour with reporters asking Hillary if she’ll run is a strange way of keeping her head down.

        4. She’ll eventually run for a house seat in a safe district. She wouldn’t have a chance in a competitive district (either against an R or another D), and no way would she survive a race for senate or president.

        1. Like a hot dog in a hallway

    2. She’s just another white savior, talking about the little people.

  2. Her story sounds rather familiar to me. Having people who come from more privilege than you lecture you about how racist you are from their monolithic cultural bubble is fairly off-putting, if a rather common experience.

    I have an acquaintance who actually has a PhD in African-American Studies and Racial Oppression. She works for NGO’s and gets paid handsomely to travel the world writing white papers about various forms of oppression. She personally doesn’t actually know very many African Americans, of course, and has been happy to harangue me about my privilege and racial insensitivity, despite my 15 years living in an interracial marriage in the American south.

    It is easy to see where these odd attitudes come from though…. despite her PhD in the relevant field, this woman firmly believed that all through the 20th century there were 5,000 black people lynched every year in the US. (the most people lynched in any one year in the 20th century was 105 – back in 1900… and that was total lynchings, not restricted by race). We actually had that argument over a meal at my house. Having no knowledge of even the order of magnitude of the problem really distorts the discussion.

    And that’s where these folks come from. They have no “lived experience” or historical perspective and when they arrive on campus they eat it up. My highly privileged (i.e. very wealthy) niece went to an exclusive northeastern liberal arts college. She came back instilled with the SJW values – to the extent that she found the Marvel TV show Iron Fist “highly problematic and offensive” because it features a White Dude who lived in an Asian culture and spouted things from the Asian culture… and that’s cultural appropriation.

    This, about a comic book based show in which the “white dude” crash lands in a mythical Asian city that only connects with our plane of existence periodically and while there he learns the culture and wins mystical powers of “the Iron Fist”, becoming a super-hero. The “culture” being appropriated is a fictional mythical culture of a non-existent multidimensional society. And that’s problematic.

    She’ll eventually be fine… but the liberal arts experience scarred her quite deeply, focusing her young mind on irrelevant nonsense like that and not really exposing her to any of the poor people they are supposedly protecting.

    1. If the interwebs are to be believed, and the preemptive and breathless interruptions of progs signalling at me when it’s brought up are in any way indicative of the numbers, I’m in a very small minority of people who actually liked that show, and consider that it was about to get eleventy-four times better with the way it ended before it was cancelled. Progs gonna prog.

    2. I have an acquaintance who actually has a PhD in African-American Studies and Racial Oppression. She works for NGO’s and gets paid handsomely to travel the world writing white papers about various forms of oppression. She personally doesn’t actually know very many African Americans, of course, and has been happy to harangue me about my privilege and racial insensitivity, despite my 15 years living in an interracial marriage in the American south…

      My highly privileged (i.e. very wealthy) niece went to an exclusive northeastern liberal arts college. She came back instilled with the SJW values – to the extent that she found the Marvel TV show Iron Fist “highly problematic and offensive”

      Probably not a coincidence that both instances feature upper middle class white liberal women.

    3. Know what you’re talking about. I’m white but grew up working in my family’s janitorial business, which was my parents’ second after-hours job after my dad worked as a gardener and my mom in a cafeteria. Exactly the type of jobs that would not-so-stereotypically be done today by an illegal immigrant from Latin America or Mexico.

    4. You had me at “ writing white papers about various forms of oppression white privilege.

      1. Much worse. She flies to Afghanistan and whitesplains how violence has harmed the children. Then she flies to Africa and does the same. Anywhere there is war, she follows and gets paid to explain to the locals that violence is hard on the children. So they need to have a counseling program for the children.

        It pays pretty well too. Being a SJW can be a fairly lucrative hustle.

        1. Sounds like the kind of person who would set up a weight loss program during a famine.

          1. But does she want a Peloton for Christmas?

        2. I take it she doesn’t notice that the ‘children’ in those places are often wielding kalashnikov’s and are actual soldiers in their little ‘militias’.

          They’re only ‘children’ by the United States metric. In plenty of places in the world, if you’re 13 (or even younger) you are an adult.

          Go figure.

  3. Maybe it was racism that led to the allegedly different outcomes in those two high-school cases.

    Or…and I’m simply making a guess based on Handler’s Wikipedia page…maybe it was class.

    I notice this sentence: “She summered in Martha’s Vineyard, where her parents owned a house.” If you can afford a Martha’s Vineyard house, maybe you can afford a better quality of justice if your kid gets in trouble. Or maybe her dad was only rich because of his free White privilege card?

    Her page also says her mother died of breast cancer and a brother died in a hiking accident, so privilege doesn’t insulate you from tragedy.

    Nor was she shielded from *all* legal trouble, if Wikipedia is correct:

    “At 21, Handler decided to pursue stand-up comedy after telling her story about driving under the influence to a class of other offenders, who found it funny.”

    1. So at least she had “got stopped before she killed someone” privilege.

    2. Adam Carolla does a whole bit about his “white privilege”. From his first job picking up the trash on a construction site to living in an unheated and un-airconditioned garage to having his motorcycle towed out of general FYTW and having to walk miles home…. He has a pretty good take on just how privileged he was before changing careers in his early 30’s. He didn’t get a job at Taco Bell, the manager labeling him “Not Taco Bell Material”. This later became the title of one of his books.

      1. I watched some of his stand up at a friend’s place and he struck me as a misanthropic nihilist who very occasionally makes a good point but always manages to torpedo it with cynicism and resentment.

    3. And that’s the thing that always gets shoved under the table in these short-bus versions of the Maoist struggle session. If you have money, you can get out of all kinds of trouble that most normal people can’t. Jussie Smollet can get a reprieve for committing a hate hoax because of his class, despite being a gay black man. The white gay dude in Indiana that spray-painted Nazi slurs on the church he worked got jail time.

      Handler’s ultimately just a thot whose career has been entirely based on her class connections. The only truly useful thing she’s ever done in her life is be a cum receptacle.

      1. Her talk show was pretty good… and it helped launch Joy Koy into the upper echelon of stand up. So she’s got that going for her.

      2. Her career was based on being fairly attractive and fairly easy. Class connections probably helped but if she looked like Jonah Hill in drag, you never would have heard of her.

        1. Wasn’t she the one who got peed on by the guy who fucked the pie in American Pie?

  4. We need to add a whole lot more phrases into this discussion:

    “Boob privilege”
    “Tall privilege”
    “Educated privilege”
    “Hard worker privilege”
    “Thief privilege”

  5. When I saw the title I was hoping it was a documentary about Chelsea Clinton. It would be a very appropriate title.

  6. Boy I can’t imagine a film less designed to get me in the door and spending money. Maybe an up-close documentary about removing parasitic worms from under skin? The history of throat singing? Someone reading the phone book? At least that one would be funny when they got to Navin R. Johnson. He’s SOMEBODY.

    1. Don’t worry, Tim Wise will be featuring it on his next few “fellow white people” college speaking tours.

  7. The whole use of the word “privilege” in this sense aggravates me. I do not have privilege because I am white. Nothing has been given to me. There are no special laws excusing me. Look up the word, it does not mean what you think it means. I am not advantaged merely by the existence of another’s disadvantage.

    I know cops hassle Blacks more than they hassle whites. But that’s not my fault. I am not walking around with a get-out-of-hassle-free card. The problem is NOT that whites aren’t getting hassled, it’s that blacks ARE! The Leftist narrative wants everyone to be equally miserable.

    It’s the wrong message. We should be tearing down barriers and removing disadvantages. Let’s raise up the oppressed to a high level instead of lowering everyone down to an equality of despair.

    This microaggression crap is being fueled by affluent white liberal guilt. You don’t see this shit at local state colleges, it’s happening at the elite universities overrun with pasty white offspring of affluent white liberal parents. Kids who have never had an obstacle put in front of them are collapsing into piles of self-flagellating emotional guilt over never having to do a perp walk due to their skin color. They’re driving this, not those who have to actually live with disadvantages.

    Let’s raise up all boats instead of punching holes in them so they all sink equally.

    1. I take your point… but the same thing is indeed happening at state colleges. I have relatives at a couple of big name redneck schools – Texas and NC State. Both sent pictures of the first day of class with the professor’s pronouns listed.

      That’s one I’m probably just not going to get. Different pronouns maybe affects one in a thousand people, if that. Yet if you swim in those waters, it is the first order of business. They actually spend quite a bit of time going around and getting everyone’s pronouns.

      My nephew took the bold step of answering “You can discern my pronouns from the standard rules of the English language. ” Funny. But I don’ think I would have painted that target on my back.

      In another group he said his pronouns were “Orangutan, Chocolate and Potato.” I’d say he has a healthy contempt for the topic.

      1. Dude, Texas is hardly a redneck school. It’s smack in the middle of Austin, which is a full-blown commie urban area. NC State is in the Research Triangle along with Duke and UNC, which leans left.

        And this isn’t uncommon. Even in the “redneck” areas like San Angelo in Texas or Jacksonville in North Carolina, the professors are almost always all parroting the same cultural Marxist tripe they absorbed during their time in college from their Baby Boomer/Gen-X professors.

        1. You can’t call someone “dude”. Check your privilege. And your pronouns.

        2. Your comment touches on several issues, which relate to others, in libertarian principles/

          *Why do you reject America’s core principle, Consent of the Governed for Consent by You?

          *Do people have no right to form and maintain Jefferson’s “just government,” without your sanction?

          *Could the reason you’re losing the culture war be…. your intolerance (which is WHAT most Americans reject and/or despise)

          * How is “cultural Marxism” a lesser evil than a “Holy Inquisition” — in the past or all current attempts?

          *Even THE most aggressive defender of capitalism, Ayn Rand, said hippies had every right to form communes. Their only mistake was to assume they had to be farmers. Today, it’s estimated there are are tens of thousands of communes, operating as small businesses AND living communally. How and why would you hope to suppress this “cultural Marxism?”

          *Rand also said that “voluntary taxation” would be the last step not the first step, toward a free society … because consent of the governed, whose ONLY alternative is authoritarian. She taught, “The Moral is the Chosen,” why do you disagree and on what basis?- ,

          *I’m not sure, can you please clarify? Do you equate Democratic socialism (like Sweden, Denmark, etc) with Stalinesque gulags?
          And what about the thousands of Israeli kibbutzim (plural of kibbutz)? How would you prefer that Israel ban and dismantle them?

          1. I’m sure that made sense in your head.

            1. I’m sure that made sense in your head.

              Thanks!
              Just as I’m sure it ALL sailed over yours … since it was all questions, and you FAILED grasp a single one. In High School, when you take US history …

          2. NEEDS MORE SPITTLE FLECKED RANTING!!!!!

            1. Are readers too fuckking stupid to see

              1) Who makes supported arguments, the ONLY one here to link sources, where appropriate, because he has nothing to hide?

              2) Who specializes in multiple unprovoked assaults, stalking and entering threads which have nothing to do with them .. for the sole purpose of personal attacks and bullying … ANYONE who dares to express a differing view.

              The suppression of differing views … the imposing of mindless conformity … are now the defining values, both the left and right,

              Here’s why. As a growing majority of Americans abandon loyalty to both Team Red and Tea Blue ..,.authoritarians gain a louder voice in each party … which drives away more Americans … which makes each party more extreme … which drives away more .. what Justin Amash correctly describes as both parties in a “death spiral.”

              That’s why Presidential candidates no longer broaden their appeal for the General Election. Their tribal assholes start screeching about “RINOs” and “DINOs” Trump has moved toward the center dozens of times, only to be forced back by his raging base. Face it, THEY own HIM.

              For 2020. we could likely see a fascist vs a socialist atop the major parties … with Libertarian candidates again reciting slogans, again offering NO policy solutions … for anything … because the libertarian establishment now aligns with the anti-gummint goobers of today’s fiscal conservatism. The LP and GOP are now dying of the same infection, the opposite of what now infects the Dems.

              America could collapse. On every major issue, progressives have been kicking out ass for decades. in the court of public opinion.

              Be concerned Very concerned for liberty, now voiceless.

              1. I can obviously see you’re Hihn’s sock puppet.

                1. No. He’s just as libertarians as me. Which is how he got you to state your support for “unprovoked assaults”

                  It’s always funny how you people assume I’m the only person on earth who calls out your authoritarian mentality … all the many others defending libertarian values must be my sock puppets.

                  Even funnier, when over 60% of Americans self-identify with those libertarian values, fiscally conservative and socially tolerant. Might that be why your own tribes is shrinking toward extinction?

                  Authoritarian Left – Authoritarian Right = Zero

                  On the numbers, might you be the sock puppet? I’m afraid to guess whose.

            2. So … another cowardly evasion. More proof that you’re ashamed of your own positions, when called out.

              Here’s another chance to shout out your cowardice.

              Why do people have no right to form and maintain Jefferson’s “just government,” without your sanction?

              *Could the reason you’re losing the culture war be…. your intolerance ?(which is WHAT most Americans reject and/or despise)

              * How is “cultural Marxism” a lesser evil than a “Holy Inquisition” — in the past or all current attempts?

              *Even THE most aggressive defender of capitalism, Ayn Rand, said hippies had every right to form communes.</b? Their only mistake was to assume they had to be farmers. Today, it’s estimated there are are tens of thousands of communes, operating as small businesses AND living communally. How and why would you hope to suppress this “cultural Marxism?”

              *Rand also said that “voluntary taxation” would be the last step not the first step, toward a free society … because consent of the governed, whose ONLY alternative is authoritarian. She taught, “The Moral is the Chosen,” why do you disagree and on what basis?- ,

              *I’m not sure, can you please clarify? Do you equate Democratic socialism (like Sweden, Denmark, etc) with Stalinesque gulags?

              And what about the thousands of Israeli kibbutzim (plural of kibbutz)? How would you prefer that Israel ban and dismantle them?

              (Frankly, most Americans would be ashamed of your positions.
              And of your authoritarian mentality … in “The Hone of the Free.”

  8. A white liberal was complaining to me about my white privilege since i live in a 99% white town. I told her when everyone is the same color you actually have to prove your self, no privilege there and when a crime is committed they look at all white people. Prime example anytime there is a certain color truck involved in something I would get calls from relatives asking if it was me. Why me what did I do? heck I even had one relative ask how I never ended up in jail. Why what do they think I did?

    1. Look… you post on alt-right libertarian sites like Reason. You are clearly a Nazi. It is just a matter of time.

      It is known.

        1. Don’t fret. Cyto expressed his own contempt for individual liberty, free market capitalism and even Consent of the governed … on this same page!

          https://reason.com/2019/12/06/hello-privilege-its-me-chelsea/#comment-8040054

          I assume he’s a snarly attack troll
          He attacked you for being an alt-right nazi.
          Then switched hats, attacking liberty AS an alt-right nazi!!.

    2. I live in such a place. Most of us own a gun, and a number even carry them [not that we live in fear of needing one…]; and yet, no one shoots anybody. Ever.

      As has been said: If all non members of the NRA would stop shooting people, gun violence would drop 100%.

      Maybe a bit off topic, but I’m quite certain Handler would gleefully blame us for all crime.

      1. THE most brilliant satire of this young month!!!

        As has been said: If all non members of the NRA would stop shooting people, gun violence would drop 100%

        “When you wish upon a star …”
        Typical mindless brainwashing by the NRA — who DEMANDS the right of those people to own guns … and even lies about Heller to do so. .

        Tell us, please, when has wishing on a star EVER stopped anyone from shooting another? Or done a single damn thing?

        Among the NRA bullhshit is the crazed notion that sensible regulations have never worked … which is as uninformed as Bernie Sanders saying capitalism has never worked!

        At the risk of being shot to death myself, here are some hard numbers that easily trump wishing on a star.

        FACT: England’s 2nd gun control (1996) saw ONE mass shooting in 22 years

        FACT: United States had 317 mass shootings from 1999-2013.
        Adjust for population (5:1) and they had 5 shootings in 22 years … We had 317 in 14 years. Do the math.
        Mass Shootings Per year
        UK = 0.2 per year
        US = 22.6 per year = ELEVEN MILLION PERCENT HIGHER adjusted for population)

        Why is “sanctity of life” defended for only fetuses?

        BBC: (after a mass shooting in the UK)
        “Parliament introduced tighter restrictions on gun ownership with the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988. The Act banned the ownership of semi-automatic and pump-action rifles, weapons which fire explosive ammunition, short shotguns with magazines and elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles. Anyone who wanted to own a shotgun, such as farmers, was told they would need to be registered and would be required to keep it locked in secure storage.”

        Britain i mass shooting since 1996 …. one

        From inconvenient facts … to inconvenient questions:

        1) if teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first?

        2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed? Might it work like the nuclear arms race did?

        3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

        4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

        NOT advocating gun grabs, just want HONEST debate – the difference between libertarians and the bellowing blowhards of the Authoritarian Right.

        A ban on semi-automatic rifles has been constitutional for 80 years, more recently confirmed by Scala’s Heller … which is WHY the NRA was powerless against the 1994 assault weapons ban, for 10 long years (until it expired)

        Any examples of results from wishing on a star?

        1. Again with this bullshit.

          1) if teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first?

          1) If SROs, who are known to be armed, have never been killed by a school shooter, who will be shot first?

          A: The closest and easiest target. School shooters are not Delta Operators.

          1. Again with this bullshit.

            MESS WITH THE BULL, GET THE HORNS. Since YOU insist, let’s explore an ignorant troll’s brainwashed rambling..

            Most school districts have only one SRO for the district, VERY few have one per school …. WHY ELSE WOULD NRA GOOBERS WANT TEACHERS ARMED, AND WHY IS THIS ROCKET SCIENCE FOR YOUR ILK?

            School shooters are not Delta Operators.

            How many shooters enter and shoot a JANITOR? … SKIP THE NRA HORSE SHIT; MOST SCHOOL SHOOTINGS ARE IN A CLASSROOM. WHO IS AT THE FRONT OF THAT ROOM?

            EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE SCREECHING FAKE NEWS, TROLL.

            WHY ELSE WOULD NRA GOOBERS WANT TEACHERS ARMED,

            ***SEVERE DENIAL IS A TREATABLE MENTAL AFFLICTION … AND YOU EARNED THAT COMMENT WITH YOUR UNPROVOKED AGGRESSION.

            If SROs, who are known to be armed, have never been killed by a school shooter, who will be shot first?

            YOUR BRAINWASHING JUST MADE A TOTAL ASS OF YOURSELF … AGAIN!! …. DUMBASS GUNTARD *ADMITS* VERY FEW SRO’s ARE ON THE SCENE!!! See above.

            When you allowed yourself to be a manipulated puppet …. did you know the ratio of SROs to classrooms? To schools? To ANYTHING? …. OR DO YOU BELEEB WHAT YOU WANT TO BE TRUE? Why guntards me like progtards

            RESPOND TO THIS, WHINY PUSSY

            Tell us, please, when has wishing on a star EVER stopped anyone from shooting another? Or done a single damn thing?

            Among the NRA bullhshit is the crazed notion that sensible regulations have never worked … which is as uninformed as Bernie Sanders saying capitalism has never worked!

            FOLLOWED BY PROOF — FULLY DOCUMENTED — NOT SNARKY AND IGNORANT BABBLING.

            Mass Shootings Per year
            UK = 0.2 per year
            US = 22.6 per year = ELEVEN MILLION PERCENT HIGHER adjusted for population)
            Why is “sanctity of life” defended for only fetuses?

            —-

            2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed? Might it work like the nuclear arms race did?

            3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

            4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

            Will he launch another unprovoked assault … to my SELF DEFENSE?

            1. So you think teachers are more important than students. Keep it classy, nutjob.

              1. Will he launch another unprovoked assault … to my SELF DEFENSE?

                AN EVEN CRAZIER FUCKUP BY MY STALKING SNOWFLKAKE!!!

                Do you think teachers are more important than students. Keep it classy, nutjob.

                BECAUSE YOU WANT TEACHERS SHOT TO DEATH … AND I DO NOT …. I PROVED YOU FULL OF SHIT … NOW YOU GO BAT-SHIT CRAZY ON TEACHERS BEING MORE IMPORTANT THAN TEACHERS … WHILE YOU SHIT ON THE SANCTITY OF ALL LIFE … AND DEFEND U.S. MASS SHOOTING RATES 11,000,000 % HIGHER THAN THE UK! …. ****SHAME ON YOU … YOU ARE THE NUTJOB WITH NO CLASS..

                Did I hurt your “feelings” … responding to your dumbass assault, snowflake?

                YOU FUCKED UP EVERYTHING! TOTALLY!!.

                1) Most school districts have only one SRO for the district, VERY few have one per school …. WHY ELSE WOULD NRA GOOBERS WANT TEACHERS ARMED, AND WHY IS THIS ROCKET SCIENCE FOR YOUR ILK?

                How many shooters enter and shoot a JANITOR? … SKIP THE NRA HORSE SHIT; MOST SCHOOL SHOOTINGS ARE IN A CLASSROOM. WHO IS AT THE FRONT OF THAT ROOM?

                If SROs, who are known to be armed, have never been killed by a school shooter, who will be shot first?

                DUMBASS GUNTARD *ADMITS* VERY FEW SRO’s ARE ON THE SCENE!!! OMFG

                .

                When you allowed yourself to be a manipulated puppet …. did you know the ratio of SROs to classrooms? To schools? To ANYTHING? …. OR DO YOU BELEEB WHAT YOU WANT TO BE TRUE? This is WHY guntards are like progtards

                RESPOND TO THIS, WHINY PUSSY

                Among the NRA bullhshit is the crazed notion that sensible regulations have never worked … which is as uninformed as Bernie Sanders saying capitalism has never worked!

                FOLLOWED BY PROOF — FULLY DOCUMENTED — NOT SNARKY AND IGNORANT BABBLING.

                Mass Shootings Per year
                UK = 0.2 per year
                US = 22.6 per year = ELEVEN MILLION PERCENT HIGHER adjusted for population)
                Why is “sanctity of life” defended for only fetuses?

                —-

                2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed? Might it work like the nuclear arms race did?

                3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

                4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

                Will he launch another unprovoked assault … to my SELF DEFENSE

                And continue the COWARDLY diversions, whining, FAILING to defend his wacky bullshit … an DEFENDING MASS SHOOTINGS ELEVEN PERCENT HIGHER THAN THE UK.

                REJECTS what is PROVEN to be effective, while SHITTING on “sanctity of life” … shamefully immoral …

                Authoritarian Right = Authoritarian Left.
                Both puppets dancing on the strings of the political elites.

                1. I think you need more capital letters.

                  1. I understand your failure to address any issues — your contempt for self-defense — and your fondness for mindless infantile comments.

                    What I do not understand is how anyone can sneer – publicly — at the very concept “sanctity of life.”

                    Provably barbaric vs too many capital letters!! (lol)

          1. Because sock puppeting is douchey.

            1. You say that about the only person here who is NOT a sock puppet!

              Does your drives license say your name is m1shu? Or, why are you ashamed to use your actual name?

              Or, are you simply ignorant of what “sock puppet” means?

  9. About as wacky as one should expect, from anyone who uses “woke” Will reason.com ever return to its libertarian roots?

    If Welch and Gillespie are so convinced that independents are libertarian … or prime candidates for libertarianism … then why has reason.com gone … not just solid right-wing … full bore alt-right? …which most indies find repulsive, regardless of which tribe they escaped from.

    Brilliant political strategy, appeal directly to 15% of voters at the loony fringe, and ignore over 60% who DO self-identify with libertarian values. Hmmm, I just solved my own dilemma. Reason.com abandoned libertarian values over a decade ago. Might that have been caused by the extreme authoritarian right statism of Ron Paul — the guy who tried to forbid homosexials from even getting a hearing to defend their constitutional rights, or … straight from Jim Crow, claims “rogue judges” have no right to defend the Constitution, no power to defend the constitution from … Ron Paul.

    I’ve been such a sucker, believing the Founder created three co-equal branches, each empowered to check and balance abuses by the other two.

    To the authoritarian mind, “balance of power” is a threat to the power of an Exalted Leader. Jusk ask our current President. 🙁

    1. What in the fuck did I just read? Is it way over my head, or way under?

      1. Can’t “Think it Through” yet?
        Which part (or parts) can you not comprehend?
        Perhaps unaware of over 50 years of libertarian values?
        Can I break it down?

        1) How about three co-equal branches, vs Ron Paul’s denial?
        (Likely caused by “forgetting” the Ninth Amendment’s strict limits on the Tenth)

        2) Should SCOTUS have been forbidden to even consider any challenges to DOMA? Homoexuals would have been denied the defense of their constitutional rights, in violation of the 9th and 14th amendments, the first “group denial” of rights since slavery.

        3) Do you believe “rogue judges” had no power to overturn DOMA (despite the 9th and 14th amendments)?

        4) Reason critiques and/or attacks “the left” as a group several times per day. Can you name similar treatment of “the right” … even once, in the past 10 years? Why would that “tribalism ” NOT
        be offensive to independents, or to the over 60% of Americans who self-identify with the libertarian values reason.com has abandoned?.

        5) Are you aware that libertarians have proclaimed being neither right nor left … for a half century.
        * The World’s Smallest Political Quiz
        * Democrats want government out of your bedroom and into your wallet. Republicans want government out of your waller and into your bedroom. ONLY libertarians defend ALL your individual rights and liberties, economic and personal, from government abuse.
        *Left and Right are obsolete (as the only choices)
        *Left – Right = Zero

        Just tyin’ to help!

        1. WHY???
          Why are you stalking him/her down the page?
          And why so much hostility toward libertarianism? And the Constitution?

          1. Fuck you and each and everyone of your sockpuppets.
            You are not fooling anyone, cockswoggler.

          2. Better question is why do you stalk your own comments with burner accounts?

            1. That way he can have 2 completely separate enemies lists.

              1. MOAR STALKERS! … ALL PROVING THEIR TOTAL IGNORANCE OF BASIC LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLES … FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

                SAME OLD PACK OF SNARLING WILD DOGS
                OR ARE THEY COWARDLY LIARS?
                PERHAPS BOTH? 🙁

                “I AM BULLY, HEAR ME ROAR”

                – Entropy Drehmaschine Void

                “I AM BULLY, HEAR ME ROAR” – Entropy Drehmaschine Void (repeat)

                “I AM BULLY, HEAR ME ROAR” – Dizzle

                “I AM BULLY, HEAR ME ROAR” – Unicorn AbattoirShould I give them another chance … to redeem themselves … just to be fair?

                .ONE MORE TIME

                1) How about three co-equal branches, vs Ron Paul’s denial?
                (Likely caused by “forgetting” the Ninth Amendment’s strict limits on the Tenth)

                2) Should SCOTUS have been forbidden to even consider any challenges to DOMA? Homoexuals would have been denied the defense of their constitutional rights, in violation of the 9th and 14th amendments, the first “group denial” of rights since slavery.

                3) Do you believe “rogue judges” had no power to overturn DOMA (despite the 9th and 14th amendments)?

                4) Reason critiques and/or attacks “the left” as a group several times per day. Can you name similar treatment of “the right” … even once, in the past 10 years? Why would that “tribalism ” NOT
                be offensive to independents, or to the over 60% of Americans who self-identify with the libertarian values reason.com has abandoned?.

                5) Are you aware that libertarians have proclaimed being neither right nor left … for a half century.
                * The World’s Smallest Political Quiz
                * Democrats want government out of your bedroom and into your wallet. Republicans want government out of your waller and into your bedroom. ONLY libertarians defend ALL your individual rights and liberties, economic and personal, from government abuse.
                *Left and Right are obsolete (as the only choices)
                *Left – Right = Zero

                (Or … will they again disgrace their alt-right with more fevered bellowing — lies or ignorance?)

                P.S. They also WHINE LIKE PUSSIES about their label as bullies..
                GO LOOK … EACH AND EVERY ONE ENTERED THIS THREAD … WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM … FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF …. UNPROVOKED ASSAULTS ………… BULLYING! … TO ATTACK THE VALUES OF INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY

                Online has its own definition:

                Cyberbullying The act of bullying someone through electronic means (as by posting mean or threatening messages about the person online)

                Libertarians have ALWAYS been HATED by the authoritarian mentality, both left and right. We were the first to expose what they are … which launched the rejection of them and all they stand for … by a growing majority of Americans.

                Entropy Drehmaschine Void
                Fuck you and each and everyone of your sockpuppets.
                You are not fooling anyone, cockswoggle

                Dizzle
                Better question is why do you stalk your own comments with burner accounts?

                Unicorn Abattoir
                That way he can have 2 completely separate enemies lists.

                ***IT’S NOT ABOUT
                ***MY NAME
                ***DIPWADS!

                ***IT’ ABOUT
                ***DEFENDING LIBERTARIAN PRINCIPLES

                ***WHICH IS WHAT YOU THUGS REALLY ATTACKED!
                ***BE MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT WHAT YOU DID!

                ***STOP WHINING LIKE PUSSIES

                1. “I AM BULLY, HEAR ME ROAR”

                  Everyone else gets bold print, and I just get all caps? Talk about cyberbullying…

                  1. (Posted in self-defense of ANOTHER unprovoked assault)

                    THAT WAS EVEN CRAZIER THAN YOUR MASSIVE FUCKUP HERE

                    https://reason.com/2019/12/06/hello-privilege-its-me-chelsea/#comment-8040193

                    *Why do you reject America’s core principle, Consent of the Governed for Consent by You?

                    *Do people have no right to form and maintain Jefferson’s “just government,” without your sanction?

                    *Could the reason you’re losing the culture war be…. your intolerance (which is WHAT most Americans reject and/or despise)

                    * How is “cultural Marxism” a lesser evil than a “Holy Inquisition” — in the past or all current attempts?

                    *Even THE most aggressive defender of capitalism, Ayn Rand, said hippies had every right to form communes. Their only mistake was to assume they had to be farmers. Today, it’s estimated there are are tens of thousands of communes, operating as small businesses AND living communally. How and why would you hope to suppress this “cultural Marxism?”

                    *Rand also said that “voluntary taxation” would be the last step not the first step, toward a free society … because consent of the governed, whose ONLY alternative is authoritarian. She taught, “The Moral is the Chosen,” why do you disagree and on what basis?- ,

                    *I’m not sure, can you please clarify? Do you equate Democratic socialism (like Sweden, Denmark, etc) with Stalinesque gulags?
                    And what about the thousands of Israeli kibbutzim (plural of kibbutz)? How would you prefer that Israel ban and dismantle them?

                    What are you ALWAYS a whiny pussy

                    Plus, your TOTAL self-humiliation next?

                    1. What massive fuckup are you referring to? Not responding to a mindless, rehearsed Gish gallop?

                    2. YOUR FUCKUPS ARE LISTED

                      THESE ARE WHAT YOU’RE RUNNING FROM …. TOTAL … ABJECT … RIDICULE

                      *Even THE most aggressive defender of capitalism, Ayn Rand, said hippies had every right to form communes. Their only mistake was to assume they had to be farmers. Today, it’s estimated there are are tens of thousands of communes, operating as small businesses AND living communally. How and why would you hope to suppress this “cultural Marxism?”

                      .(….EXPOSED HIS FASCIST BULLSHIT ABOUT CULTURAL MARXISM
                      AS DO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS… HE NOW SAYS FACTS ARE “MINDLESS”)

                      *Rand also said that “voluntary taxation” would be the last step not the first step, toward a free society … because consent of the governed, whose ONLY alternative is authoritarian. She taught, “The Moral is the Chosen,” why do you disagree and on what basis?– ,

                      ((EXPOSE HIS FASCISM AGAIN! SAYS “THE MORAL IS THE CHOSEN” IS … MINDLESS …. BECAUSE ONLY HIS TRIBE CAN CHOOSE A GOVERNMENT TO IMPOSE BY DIKTATS.))

                      *I’m not sure, can you please clarify? Do you equate Democratic socialism (like Sweden, Denmark, etc) with Stalinesque gulags?
                      And what about the thousands of Israeli kibbutzim (plural of kibbutz)? How would you prefer that Israel ban and dismantle them?

                      ((This “mindlessness” PROVES ALT-RIGHT ASSAULT ON “CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED” … LIISTEN! … THESE CRAZY DUMBFUCKS DO EQUATE SWEDEN WITH A STALINESQUE GULAG …., WHY? .,… BECAUSE THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF DEFENDING INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY … AS PROVEN BY HIS COWARDICE.

                      And THAT is with the Authoritarian Right HATES libertarianism … WE CAN PROVE THEIR FASCISM …. BY GETTING TRE “GENIUSES” TO REVEAL IT … They clearly have no clue what their memorized slogans mean/ .

                      Why you ALWAYS a whiny pussy
                      Plus, your TOTAL self-humiliation next?

                  2. Unicorn also exposed total ignorance on another topic! …. ALSO an unprovoked aggression

                    https://reason.com/2019/12/06/hello-privilege-its-me-chelsea/#comment-8040561

                    (ALSO posted in self-defense of REPEATED unprovoked aggression)

                    1. Dear Diary,

                      Today, Unicorn Abattoir made me mad. I wanted to add him to my enemies list, but he was already on it!

                    2. No .,.. goober … exposing your crazed shit is NOT because I was mad… it was so I could CELEBRATE showing how fascist your crazed ignorance is …your bigoted comments that you REFUSE to defend … because you had NO CLUE what they mean … no idea you are defending totalitarianism, so totally are you being manipulated by the political elites

                      ***Tell us AGAIN why YOU say NOBODY has ANY right to create a small business .. where the people VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE communal ownership, of the business and homes.

                      ****WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THEY HAVE NO RIGHT.

                      Who the FUCK are YOU to say Israelis have NO RIGHT to the kibbutz culture they have been VOLUNTARILY choosing for over a century …originally farms. now including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.

                      How FUCKING DERANGED that you REJECT a free society … with both private AND communal ownership … ALL FREELY CHOSEN?

                      WHAT YOU REJECT IS THE IDEAL FREE SOCIETY, PROMOTED BY LIBERTARIANS … WHO SPIT ON YOUR LOVE OF CONTROL, DOMINATION AND SUBJUGATION . Your REJECTION of … “The moral is anything freely chosen.”

                      A totally free society combines EVERYTHING YOU HATE AND WOULD BAN.

                      In a free society, a libertarian Galt’s Gulch exists right next to a Marxist commune … lesbians up the street from a community of Christian Fundies …. retired Catholic priests across the field from Wiccans. Each community would be voluntarily populated. And the statue of Liberty would be Voltaire, inscribed “I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”TOLERANCE IS YOUR ENEMY. That’s why your FUCKING President SHAMELESSLY LIED to defend NAZIS and White Nationalists, who launched mass assaults and murder in Charlottesville,

                      YOU DON’T GIVE A FUCK BECAUSE THE VICTIMS WERE … “Cultural Marxists” INTOLERANCE is at the very core of your “value system” — .

                      *** DENY THE ANTI-CHRIST WHO HAS CORRUPTED YOUR VERY SOUL. You need not accept Jesus Christ as your savior or any prophet or god … not in a free society … but you MUST reject Saan … or … sooner or later …, you will be hunted down and killed …. in self defense.

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