Elizabeth Warren

Elizabeth Warren Seems To Fondly Recall Era of Not Knowing Whether Your Brothers Died in War

The senator from Massachusetts thinks more Americans should join the military. Why?

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When asked during the debate whether more Americans should serve in the U.S. military, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) gave a resounding yes.

But Warren didn't stop there: She also recalled her brothers' service in the U.S. armed forces and described the experience as one that brings people together. She then seemed to recall her mother waiting for letters from her soldiering sons—letters that might have contained terrible news about what had happened to them—with what sounded like nostalgia.

While I may have misinterpreted Warren's tone, the memory she described it not one any American wants to experience for themselves if they don't absolutely have to. It is incumbent on the next president to reduce American military commitments, to leave less of a boot print on the rest of the world, and to radically decrease the likelihood that American mothers will check their mail every day waiting for news of their children's death.

It was undoubtedly an awkward answer for Warren, who is typically sharply focused on her domestic agenda. In one sense, she was copying South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who has similarly called for more national service. But Warren was specifically promoting military service, and sounded bizarrely ambivalent about the emotional trauma endured by families whose children were in danger of dying in war.

It's possible she misspoke, or didn't mean it the way it sounded. But in any case, her answer was a strong reminder that while Warren is certainly a progressive on domestic issues, when it comes to foreign policy she ranges from an unknown to a moderate hawk. She has not staked out nearly as many anti-interventionist positions as her domestic ideological ally Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.). Her ideal vision of government is more people depending on it and serving in it—and, it would seem based on her answer tonight, fighting for it.

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  2. Our military is an all volunteer, professional organization. Conscription tend to decrease the quality of fighting units.

    1. True, although I think something where you can only go into politics if you have served for a minimum of time, similar to what the Romans had, could help a lot with our politician problem

      1. Or just prohibit government from initiating force.

        1. That works in theory, not in practice.

      2. How has the Roman Empire been doing lately? Let’s check in with them again before we decide that it’s a good idea.

        1. I mean, how has the British empire been doing lately? What’s that, it no longer exists and Britain itself has gone to shit? Guess we should just throw out all that democracy bullshit then.

          Considering we take plenty of other things from the Romans, including many of our symbols, architecture, and much of our legal basis (the founders were fans of Rome and its where we got the separation of powers and the idea of the Senate), I’m not sure why you think just because its old means its off the table. Nothing lasts forever. It’s just an idea

        2. It lasted 5x the length the American one has so far

          1. Hunter gatherers lasted hundreds of thousands of years. Chimpanzees have lasted for millions.

            What other role models do you want?

            1. Yeah, because a hyper-low scale social model and an animal one are completely the same thing as a complex empire that controlled land on three continents.

              1. Yeah, because the Roman Empire is totally comparable to the American one.

                1. It is, in a number of ways, many of them intentional.

                2. If you read a book that doesn’t require crayons to complete, then yes, it does.

            2. Don’t forget about crocodiles! Eh?

          2. It’s not all about size, bro

            1. Bacteria for the win.

      3. Yeah, not allowing people to exercise basic rights unless they sell their bodies and souls to the state sounds like a great idea to fix the problems with an unaccountable state.

        1. If they own all your money they may as well own all your children too.

    2. Recognizing that it isn’t healthy that our coastal ‘elites’ don’t serve, that it is lower middle classes, the same families with generations of soldiers and sailors, and immigrants working toward citizenship, instead of the relatives of the cultural and economic opinion makers – recognizing that isn’t healthy is different than being for mass conscription.

      1. Being fourth generation Army and having served from 1995-2005, I don’t see how that will change without conscription, and most of the ones I served with were solid middle class with a decent representation of lower middle class. Very few serve because they feel they have no other choice. Many do feel the military is their best choice, or a smart way to get training and earn money for college. A good majority served because they wanted to. It is a risk we run with an all volunteer military. I agree it is a problem. But short of conscription I don’t see how you can change that, or another major, “popular” war. Recruitment demographics did change slightly for a few years after 9/11 but have returned basically to their baseline since. During the worst of the Iraq war we did have to lower some standards to increase recruitment. But anecdotally that created several problems with discipline and professionalism. The Army has decided to return to pre 9-11 standards for recruitment and training because of discipline problems. When I hear stories about the lack of discipline and problems my Dad saw during his service from 1975-1979, I thank God that the Army decided to increase standards. I served with professionals for the most part (yes we had our share of blue falcons, ate-up soup-sandwiches, barracks lawyers etc) but they were the distinct minority. If you have a plan that maintains standards and professionalism, while broadening the historic demographic trends, I would be all for it? We already offer better pay than any other military, huge enlistment bonuses, college courses and credits, student loan repayment and forgiveness, and educational assistance. The military has invested tons of money in upgrading barracks and post housing. Our medical benefits are hardly equaled.

        1. When I hear stories about the lack of discipline and problems my Dad saw during his service from 1975-1979

          I served in the Navy from 1978-1985 and I would definitely back up what your Dad said. The post-Vietnam era was just a mess. Typically kicking somebody out took a lot of paperwork and hassle, but the Navy would periodically give COs brief time windows where they could summarily kick out the worst dirtbags. The rest of us always looked forward to it; far from missing those wankers we actually could get more work done with the troublemakers out of the fucking way.

    3. But hopefully getting their snowflake bullshit chewed out of them by a drill sergeant might be a net positive.

      1. So you need to serve in the military before you Tweet?

    4. This is usually true. However, I would make the counter argument that while the all volunteer force may be good for the military, it is bad for the republic.
      A nation state that has those who server in its military feel disconnected from the majority of the citizenry will begin to feel like a warrior class. This usually does not end well.

      1. ^This

  3. Has anyone checked to confirm that Warren does indeed have brothers that served in combat in the military? Hell, what am I saying? Has anyone checked to confirm that Warren even has any brothers?

    1. When she says brothers, she doesn’t mean like actual brothers, but she means it like the way black people use it, which is more meaningful.

      1. She’s probably 1/1024th black too so it’s fine.

        1. I am, do I get reparations?

  4. Did they ask her why she always wears the same clothes? It’s weird.

    1. It’s a uniform. Like the military.

      1. More like the NFL since she seems to be brain damaged.

  5. I don’t think this has much of anything to do with her disposition towards foreign policy. While I don’t think I’ve heard anything specific from her regarding war, I’ll guess she’s close to the norm of interventionism. Still, that isn’t likely tied in her mind to this proposal. For her, military service is more of a make work program to get more people on the government dole.
    I’m actually of the opinion that military service can be good for developing young men into responsible adults (since school clearly fails in that.) That doesn’t mean that we need to balloon defense spending so that we have more idle paper pushers in the military or interfere all around the world just to use those military resources

  6. It seems Reason has forgotten Bretton Woods and why the US Military is flung across the world. Yes, it was to ready the fight against the commies and now the islamists and whatever you call the Chinese. Mostly, it’s to secure the sea lanes to facilitate the “free trade” that Reason likes so much. If the US Navy wasn’t five times as strong as the rest of all other navies combined, other countries would have to secure their own trade and colonialism would rise again. Reason needs to read some Stratfor.

    1. Excellent point. But fighting in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc isn’t securing the trade routes. Liawatha wants more people under the command of the Prez she hopes to be.

    2. Given that we have no actual military threats in this hemisphere, I say more Navy, less Army.

      1. the Army is only supposed to be called up for 2 years at a time. a standing Navy is fine.

  7. “It is incumbent on the next president to reduce American military commitments, to leave less of a boot print on the rest of the world, and to radically decrease the likelihood that American mothers will check their mail every day waiting for news of their children’s death.”

    Ugh. This is pro-Russia, anti-America nonsense.

    As the Mueller Report proved, Russia has been attacking us for years and continues to do so. We need a strong, aggressive military to confront this threat.

    #LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussia
    #LibertariansForGlobalMilitaryPresence

    1. Only soldiers with deadly weapons can confront the scourge of Russian financed Facebook ads.

    2. Don’t they just text you now?
      “Dear Mrs. Ryan, we regret to inform you that your son paid the ultimate price today.”
      “Didn’t you just send me this twice?”
      “Oops, we should have said which son…”
      “Which one was it!!!???”
      “Sorry ma’am, those were 3 different messages…. we’re getting Tom Hanks to form an elite commando unit to bring your one remaining home son alive, or die trying.”

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  9. Well, she wears the same outfit every day, so I can see why being in the military appeals to her.

  10. Her ideal vision of government is more people depending on it and serving in it—and, it would seem based on her answer tonight, fighting for it.

    War is the healh of the State.

    — Randolph Bourne

  11. “But Warren was specifically promoting military service, and sounded bizarrely ambivalent about the emotional trauma endured by families whose children were in danger of dying in war.”

    She can be ambivalent about it. Its not like her kids – or the kids of any of the establishment – are gonna die in some shithole country.

    1. She’s ambivalent because she’s disingenuous and possibly a robot.

  12. Um… so the suckers will think of HER as pro- having your boy come home in a box, instead of thinking about young, healthy and attractive Tulsi?

    1. who actually served in the military.

  13. Just pining for the good ole days, when Obama could start any ole war anywhere for any reason he wanted.

    1. Twitter is apparently not as effective as a pen and phone.

  14. “It is incumbent on the next president to reduce American military commitments”

    Not sure the Dems got that memo…. Grampa Joe’s call to lead the world sounded like he was calling for *more* military commitments, not less.

  15. Because we can trust Warren’s accounts of family lore.

  16. It is incumbent on the next president to reduce American military commitments, to leave less of a boot print on the rest of the world, and to radically decrease the likelihood that American mothers will check their mail every day waiting for news of their children’s death.

    Hey retard, that’s what THIS president is trying to do, but he has to deal with hundreds of your Deep State buddies who refuse to acknowledge that we won the Cold War because cold wars justify their careers and make them so much damn money.

    1. Then explain why Trump has been trying to overthrow the governments of Iran and Venezuela.

      1. Wow. Seriously?

  17. She like most Democrats is trying to hide the fact they dislike the Military and those that serve. Yes, it is true that Military service puts diverse people together to work for a common cause and this is a good thing. Some people find a HOME in the military, stability, and a future…

  18. I remember as a kiddo mom watching Walter Cronkite on the little TV we had. It was 67-68 and dad was there. Medevac. Tet offensive. He said something about 300 casualties a day. Mortor fire. Sit on your helmet.

    They had these little reel tape recorders and would send them back and forth.

    She cried sometimes at the kitchen table. I did not know why. Now I know. He came home and lived a decent life.

    No nostalgia there.

    So spare me Elizabeth Warren your crocodile tears. Spare me sir heel spurs your fake respect. Fuck you all for this.

  19. She’s a just a control-freak, enamored with the federal government. And compulsory military service is just another way of socially engineering her perfect society from DC.

    I’ve heard lefties express positive thoughts on military service on the grounds that it forces people of different races, classes, regions, and ekistics together, supposedly making them less prejudiced as a result.

  20. Leftists like the idea of a huge army they can command. That would be Wilson’s extra-legal treatment of war resisters, and FDR’s military-like treatment in the CCC. And the real thing for him later. And of course LBJ in Vietnam. The best thing for them is there is no danger to the President.

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