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Confusion over rules for Bahamians fleeing hurricane. Bahamas residents displaced by Hurricane Dorian were told that they could come to the U.S. by simply showing their passports and police records—no visa needed. But when a boatful of Bahamians was bound for Florida from Freeport on Sunday, its passengers were told that if they didn't have visas, they had to get off the boat.

Hundreds of passengers "trying to evacuate [were told they] could leave with Bahamian passport and police record like normal but then ferry crew says US Government called and changed plan last minute," tweeted WSVN-TV reporter Brian Entin last night. "One woman told Entin that as many as 130 people left the ferry after the announcement," reported CNN.

Disbelief and outrage spread quickly…

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) denies that there has been a rule change.

"CBP continues to process the arrivals of passengers evacuating from the Bahamas according to established policy and procedures—as demonstrated by the nearly 1,500 Hurricane Dorian survivors who arrived at the Port of Palm Beach, Fla., aboard a cruise ship on Saturday and were processed without incident," the agency said in a statement.

As for the ship in question, "CBP was notified of a vessel preparing to embark an unknown number of passengers in Freeport and requested that the operator of the vessel coordinate with U.S. and Bahamian government officials in Nassau before departing The Bahamas," said the agency. "CBP is not denying or discouraging evacuation efforts and empathizes with the plight of the Bahamian people."

But CBP's statements have only added to the confusion. The agency's website states that "Bahamian citizens who meet the requirements…may apply for admission to the United States without a visa at one of the US Customs and Border Protection Pre-clearance Facilities located in Nassau or Freeport International Airports." One of these requirements is that Bahamians arrive in the U.S. by plane.

Entin followed up on his initial tweets by noting that the flight/boat distinction had been temporarily suspended due to Hurricane Dorian, and Bahamas citizens who would otherwise be permitted without a visa were still OK if they came by boat.

CBP officials in Florida blamed the boat company, Balearia, for passengers being told otherwise. Balearia is blaming CBP.


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"It's time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn't welcome racists," writes Bonnie Kristian at The Week, echoing sentiments voiced by Tim Carney and Ross Douthat about Republicans and the right:

The American right's racism problem is not about conservative ideas per se. That racists like some of the same things you like does not, of itself, make those things racist (though certainly it may prompt their re-examination)—see The New York Times' Ross Douthat's recent column teasing out some of this distinction. But, as Carney and Douthat both describe, the mainstream conservative movement has not made itself adequately inhospitable to racism.

"Every extended conversation I have with 20-something conservatives includes a discussion of how to deal with racist flirtations in their peer group," says Douthat, while Carney calls his fellow conservatives to the urgent task of "doing something to make clear that conservatism and racism don't mix."

Let me call libertarians to do the same.

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  1. Today, “more than 40 attorneys general are expected to announce their plan to investigate Google” for alleged antitrust violations.

    Governorships, here we come!

  2. …Kamala Harris told CNN last week that as attorney general of California, she had sued Exxon Mobil. She did not.

    What she meant to say is she had a laid-off Exxon station attendant arrested for his kid missing school.

    1. Hello.

      It’s time to gang rape racism.

      1. You’ll need racism’s affirmative consent first.

  3. Trump says in private that what Republicans call “socialism” will be tough to beat in 2020, especially student-debt [cancellation]

    It’s amazing how popular freebies are.

    1. Just ask the people who don’t want to compete against immigrants, or the people who still fondle the Confederate flag, or the people who avoid taxes by purchasing their entertainment in churches.

      1. Well said, Art.

        #PoorPeopleVoteRepublican

        1. You waited 13 minutes before you replied to yourself. Good discipline.

          #InsertHeadInHere

          1. #AllRandosAreTulpaSocks

            1. Chipper putting people into tribes yet again.

          2. AK has been polluting the Volokh comment sections for many years, while OBL is a Reason-grown troll account. Definitely not the same person

      2. people who still fondle the Confederate flag

        Vivid imagery, bordering on a memory, perhaps?

        Fun fact: one of the gall bladders in the Kirkland jar belonged to none other than Confederate President Jefferson Finis Davis.

      3. Well, as an immigrant myself, Kirkland, let me tell you in no uncertain terms: f*ck off, slaver. Ignorant, backwards, stupid, selfish people like you make the US a worse place for Americans and immigrants alike.

  4. “In yet another televised lie, Kamala Harris told CNN last week that as attorney general of California, she had sued Exxon Mobil. She did not.”

    I’m sure she just misspoke. Or maybe she misheard the question.

    #LibertariansForHarris

    1. hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  5. It’s time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racists…

    So suddenly libertarians are supposed to completely drop utilitarianism and focus on feelings.

    1. Maybe time to rethink non-initiation, individualism, and white supremacy and just go with the non-initiation and individualism.

      We need to be better than cancel culture and the identitarians and recognize that ‘taxation is theft from black people’ is the real way forward.

      1. You may by established rules while seeking to change the rules, you dont disadvantage oneself. That is just a stupid and losing proposition.

    2. Liberty is inherently appealing to people who are the target of laws against their opinions. Just because a racist likes something doesn’t make it wrong.

      What’s wrong is pretending that racism is confined to one party or one area of the political spectrum. The racism (and counter-racism) of the left takes different forms, but it is still abundant.

    3. It’s just liberals gaslighting libertarians again. Notice the only play is ever turning a choice on moralistic grounds rather than intellectual grounds. Liberals main pursuit is making things about race. This has been true since the antebellum south, the kkk, and now critical race theory. The central thesis for democrats for almost 200 years is race.

      1. By “doing something to make clear that conservatism and racism don’t mix” they mean “kill yourself” because anything less than that isn’t enough and is racist to boot.

        How the hell you let your enemies define what’s problematic is beyond me. I mean, they’ve already declared that it’s racist to declare that you’re not racist – where do we go from here? Where can you go from here? There’s no point in even engaging with these people, just laugh in their faces or pop them in the mouth and move on.

    4. I apologize if I’m missing the sarcasm, but were libertarians ever in favor of utilitarianism?

      And, on a related note: the camp of people who think that you should leave other people the hell alone unless they’re physically harming you or your property doesn’t seem like a welcoming environment for those ethnostate chuckleheads. But I suppose the “progressive” stance is that if you’re not willing to sacrifice civil liberties in the name of slightly inconveniencing such people, you are somehow actively colluding with actual Nazis?

    5. Progressivism is about utility; libertarianism is about liberty and inalienable rights.

    6. And, of course unasked, is WHO defines what is racist?

  6. But when a boatful of Bahamians was bound for Florida from Freeport on Sunday, its passengers were told that if they didn’t have visas, they had to get off the boat.

    Cat 5 hurricanes are no match for the United States bureaucracy.

    1. With Beto’s response, sounds like a false flag

  7. At this point, Robert Mueller’s proof of the #TrumpRussia conspiracy is so ironclad that only a Russian asset would fail to back impeachment.

    Coming as absolutely no surprise to anybody, Russian stooge ⁦@TulsiGabbard⁩ says she strongly opposes the impeachment of Donald Trump, saying it would “tear our country apart.”

    That’s why Tulsi Gabbard is Putin’s favorite Democrat.

    #Impeach
    #Resist
    #GabbardRussia
    #LibertariansForGettingToughWithRussia

  8. It’s time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racists…

    Since when have we welcomed the racist, sexist, fascist, socialist, democrats?

    1. If we only use words and policies the Democrats don’t label racist this time, they promise not to move the Overton window again. Because Trump, who is basically a Clinton Democrat, is proof positive of how far right the GOP has become and the LP is just Republican lite as everyone knows.

      1. There will always be the people who insist that any disparate outcome is evidence of racism. Not much you can do about that. But actual racism that libertarians should condemn as antithetical to any kind of individualism does exist too. I think that libertarians and the right are generally pretty good at this. Better than the left is at distancing themselves from murderous commies.

        1. Notice the lack of editorials on colleges self segregating on college campuses at this site. You have a party so racially decisive their primary platform is group exclusion and self segregating. Yet they have the temerity to call others racist.

          1. Eh, Robby has called it out once or twice, between “to be sure”s pointing out the right is just as awful.

        2. The only racism that libertarians ‘should’ care about at all is state/authority mandated racism.

          Everything else is individual personal preference and is not the purview of political parties.

    2. “Since when have we welcomed the racist, sexist, fascist, socialist, democrats?”

      We have always welcome Democrats in the Libertarian party. Remember their are just as many ex-Democrats as their are ex-Republicans in the Libertarian party. As for the others we have never excepted them. The racist, sexist, fascist, and socialist have never excepted the n.a.p principle.

      1. excepted

        I don’t think that’s the word you were looking for.

        1. I, for one, am willing to extend the big tent and finally welcome IPA drinkers into the libertarian fold. Welcome, Zeb.

          1. And yet you’ll continue to drive out everyone who doesnt agree with your specific view of liberty. You will refuse to take one step on compromise and instead yell idealistic thoughts while standing still. You’re no better than a naive commie kid. You just chose a different form of unattainable idealism.

          2. I, for one, am willing to extend the big tent and finally welcome IPA drinkers into the libertarian fold.

            What? Your big red tent with the shiny gold hammer and crescent on it?

  9. More bad economic news.

    Charles Koch current net worth: $59.6 billion

    Reason’s billionaire benefactor is still stuck below $60 billion. His wealth has increased by a mere $201 million this year, which isn’t nearly good enough. We Koch / Reason libertarians want the richest people on the planet to grow their fortunes by billions, or even tens of billions, every year. Which I guarantee would be happening in a Hillary Clinton economy.

    #DrumpfRecession
    #VoteDemocratToHelpCharlesKoch

  10. “This is the height of cruelty—denying help to those who need it most. This administration has said the words on the Statue of Liberty should be rewritten, and in their actions, they are already changing who we are as a country.

    It’s on us to prove we’re better than this. https://t.co/TXIlnDai41

    —-Beto O’Rourke (@BetoORourke) September 9, 2019

    Now we’re getting our news directly from the campaigns of Democrat presidential candidates?

    In some ways, I suppose this is better than the Hillary Clinton campaign circa 2016 because it eliminates the middle man. We don’t needs reporters and news agencies to tailor their efforts for the benefit of Democrat candidates, not when we can get our news directly from the candidates themselves.

    1. False flag

    2. It’s amazing how many people thing a poem on a statue carries more legal weight than the Constitution and laws duly passed and enacted

  11. A. There are just as many left racists ad right racists.

    B. Everyone is bigoted in one way or another. I’m bigoted against statists. The difference is that individualism lets statists contract with each other to have their socialist paradise, enforced by contract, without stealing my money to support their addiction. It does not work the other way round: statism cannot tolerate individualism under any conditions.

    1. Their golden rule:

      Do unto others….

      …before they do it unto you!

  12. That racists like some of the same things you like does not, of itself, make those things racist (though certainly it may prompt their re-examination)

    Time to ban vanilla ice cream?

    the mainstream conservative movement has not made itself adequately inhospitable to racism.

    “Hate has no home here.”

    1. The right could do better with excluding racists.

      But they do a lot better at it than the left does at excluding their radical fringe which is responsible for a lot more death and destruction in the last century than right-wing racists are.

      1. The right could do better with excluding racists.

        They still do a better job than the left. Name one elected official on the Right who is as antiSemetic as Omar or as racist as black racists such as Waters or Harris.

        1. Progressives project on race.

          1. It’s more than projection. They explicitly reject the idea of racial equality. They just disagree with “conservative” racists about which races are superior. When they say “racist”, they mean “white racist”, and they are unabashed about that.

            1. Yup. White people are terrible.

        2. Yeah, the left’s focus on race is crazy and it does seem to include toleration of bigotry if it is coming from someone from a “marginalized” class, or directed at the wrong kind of people. Not to mention all the “white man’s burden” bullshit that they have been pushing for some time.

          1. And they’ll tell you that blacks cannot be racist because they have no power – when the subject is a powerful black abusing powerless whites. They cannot see what is right in front of them when it clashes with their preconceptions.

      2. The left embraces their racists and names such awards such as the Margaret Sanger award.

      3. The right could do better with excluding racists.

        Damned right they could.

        What with their support of slavery, their founding of the KKK, their support for lynching, their passage of Jim Crow laws and support for segregation–or maybe their use of eugenics as a method of getting rid of black people–or their putting minorities in concentration camps. Or their riots over busing–or their perpetuation of blackface

        Wait–that was the left that is doing all that, not the right.

        The right was FIGHTING AGAINST all that.

        What more can they do?

    2. Given that the Left proclaims all Republicans as racist by default…

  13. According to a person who was in the room, Trump told donors at a recent private event that though “a lot of people think it’ll be easy to beat [in 2020],” the “truth is, it might not be so easy.” The president, according to the source, said that “you can have someone who loves Trump, but many people love free stuff, too.” He added that if candidates tell Americans, especially young voters—that they’re going to cancel their debt, “that’s a tough one” to run against.

    WTF is this garbage? Who is being quoted? Trump? A person who was in the room?

    I don’t believe Trump started a sentence with the interest of conveying the truth with ‘truth is’. I don’t believe when he said ‘someone who loves Trump’ he referred to himself in the 3rd person. I’m dubious he said ‘free stuff’.

    I know someone who works at The Daily Beast who was in the room while they were busy concocting this fake news story.

  14. “Trump says in private that what Republicans call ‘socialism’ will be tough to beat in 2020”

    Well, one aspect of democratic socialism that has gone completely mainstream is its support for open borders. After all, polls show more Americans than ever agree with the statement “Immigration is a good thing” which proves the Koch / Reason immigration agenda is widely popular.

    #ImmigrationAboveAll
    #VoteDemocratForOpenBorders

  15. “The American right’s racism problem is not about conservative ideas per se. That racists like some of the same things you like does not, of itself, make those things racist . . . . but, as Carney and Douthat both describe, the mainstream conservative movement has not made itself adequately inhospitable to racism. “

    When it’s necessarily homophobic to have opposed gay marriage, necessarily misogynistic to oppose abortion, necessarily racist to oppose affirmative action, and necessarily xenophobic to support building a wall, then being accused of homophobia, misogyny, racism, and xenophobia is just another means of smearing everyone who holds certain positions. The solution to the left’s ad hominem fallacies is not to accommodate them.

    Libertarianism is about using facts and logic to defend the right of individuals to make choices for themselves. One cannot be a libertarian and believe that racists don’t possess the right to free speech. One cannot be a libertarian and believe that people lose their association rights or their religious rights when they become Christian fundamentalists. One cannot be a libertarian and honestly believe that the power to set the rules of naturalization wasn’t specifically enumerated to Congress in the Constitution.

    Everyone who believes that our positions on these issues should be abandoned regardless of the facts or logic behind them because the left might falsely accuse us of racism if we don’t has no business calling themselves libertarian.

    1. Anyone whom Carney and Douthat do not like or interfere with their self importance is RACIST. That is really all that is going on here.

      Carney and Douthat both love everything about the right except for the people in it. It is pathetic.

      1. They’ll be the token conservative gimps for Reason. Like French.

        Conservatives who are getting roped in by the racist and climate change narratives aren’t exhibiting classical conservative thought. They do so less out of principle and more as a faulty ‘vote for us in this form and we promise to be conservative again once in power’ calculus.

        This concerted effort to ‘kill’ racists is clouding our judgement on the issue of mass economic migration in Europe. You can’t gave a sane and calm discussion without someone screaming ‘bigot!!

        Meanwhile people on the streets most affected know it’s a problem.

        We have weak and stupid leaders in the West.

        1. Make that ‘leaders’. I look at our situation here and find it impossible to think Justin is a leader of men; citizens.

        2. Call something racism has become for idiots like the author of that piece a cheap way to dismiss any fact they don’t like or any position they disagree with but can’t win the argument against.

    2. I like indignant Ken.

      1. Yes, Ken has been on fire lately.

    3. The solution to the left’s ad hominem fallacies is not to accommodate them.

      Unfortunately, if ignored, the Progressives will, with creeping incrementalism, redefine the argument in terms that can no longer be refuted.

      Take the redefining of racism to no longer be synonymous with “prejudice toward a particular race”, but instead as any “structures of domination based on essentialist categories of race”. By this new definition, anyone who benefits from such structures is a racist while anyone negatively affected are precluded from being racist. Other than Jews, of course, who are typically excluded as a racial category, although Muslims and latinos are somehow included.

    4. Cheese and price, 96% of the overt racism you see comes from the Left

  16. http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/341473/

    Justin Amash spends years demanding the US leave Afghanistan but then bitches when Trump starts to do just that.

    1. I expect to see a lot of moaning from Reason about this, too.

      Trump has been the most anti-war president in recent memory, but they’ll go after him like he’s a neocon for not following through on his attempt to withdraw from Afghanistan.

      Meanwhile, if and when we do withdraw from Afghanistan, the Taliban will declare victory over the United States, and the media will jump all over Trump for having lost the Afghanistan War.

      Can anybody think of a good reason why a president would open himself up to such criticism in an election year? Theoretically, Trump might have been trying to do what’s in the best interests of the country, but obviously that can’t be the truth because . . . um . . .

      Maybe he’s conspiring with the Russians!

      1. The Russians must love it that we’re stuck with that Tar Baby.

        Wait…is “Tar Baby” racist?

        1. It’s problematic.

          On the one hand, it’s a term from African folklore for a problem that only gets worse the more you try to deal with it.

          On the other hand, people may assume you’re using it as a slur, so why get yourself stuck in a situation where the more you try to defend yourself, the worse it gets?

          1. “”On the one hand, it’s a term from African folklore for a problem that only gets worse the more you try to deal with it.””

            Describes a girlfriend or two.

    2. The meeting itself needs to take place. I realize most of the Blue Checkmark Brigade doesn’t realize this, because they’re dumb, but striking a peace accord in Afghanistan is going to require participation of Taliban leaders, because they still occupy enough of the country that we aren’t going to pull out, based on established benchmarks that have been in place for a long time. Getting these guys and the current head of Afghanistan (who has his own problems with political rivals and desperately needs to get this thing over with) to sit down and hash something out is a no-brainer, because they’re the ones who have to live with the decision.

      The planned timing and location were dumb, however. Trump should have done a summit in a relatively neutral country like Qatar either this summer or next month, not a few days before 9/11 at Camp David.

      1. The Taliban will not “live with the decision”. They will retake the rest of the country after we leave. But that’s not our problem.

        1. That’s very likely, and you’re correct, it’s not our problem. If anything on paper gives us the justification to get out permanently, though, I’m all for it and don’t really give a shit what happens after we’ve left.

  17. “Trump says in private that what Republicans call “socialism” will be tough to beat in 2020, especially student-debt cancelation https://t.co/cEqxdAXp6b

    — Justin Miller (@justinjm1) September 9, 2019

    Reports of what Trump says in private are fascinating to some people, I’m sure. Before I oppose Trump for being a socialist like the Democrat front-runners, all of whom have signed onto the authoritarian socialist Green New Deal, I’ll wait for a little more evidence of that.

    1. “You look at this Green New Deal — it’s the most preposterous thing,” Trump said during an exclusive interview with Fox Business that aired Friday. “Now I don’t want to knock it too much right now because I really hope they keep going forward with it, frankly, because I think it’s going to be very easy to beat.”

      The president has mocked the resolution before, comparing it to a “high school term paper that got a low mark.”

      The White House in a statement on the plan last month said that Trump “has vowed that America would never be socialist, and this administration will fight this central planning disaster,” and called the plan a “roadmap to destroy the American Economy.”

      https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435263-trump-green-new-deal-is-the-most-preposterous-thing-and-easy-to-beat

      Incidentally, these statements were not made in private.

  18. “It’s time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racists,”

    The racists among Reason commentors are told to fuck off regularly. If they choose to hang around anyway, what more can we do?

    1. Let the leftists win is the solution people like Carney and Douthat propose. Oddly, that seems to be their solution to every problem.

      1. It’s how the culture war was lost.

        Let them have media and Hollywood! We’ll take….er…..

    2. Well then you’re part of the problem! /prog logic.

    3. Not much. If Reason wants to ban them, then they can.
      Also, it’s good to know what racists, socialists and all kinds of people we think are wrong actually think about things.

    4. Apparently, you’re a racist these days if you think that people ought to obey immigration laws, and if you oppose people wanting special government-granted privileges because of their race. So, I’m not sure that having a “libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racist” is possible.

    1. Why make the buybacks mandatory?

      Why not offer gun owners so much money for their AR-15s that they’ll sell them to the government of their own free will?

      And here’s the big question: What difference can a buyback make if AR-15s are still legal to purchase?

      Seems like it should be obvious to people but maybe it isn’t–buybacks, mandatory or otherwise, only work if people are no longer able to buy more “assault weapons”.

      1. Why not offer gun owners so much money for their AR-15s that they’ll sell them to the government of their own free will?

        Now, *that* is “common-sense gun-safety legislation”!

        1. Arbitrage in AR-15s is born!

      2. What difference can a buyback make if AR-15s are still legal to purchase?

        Without this, it’s really more of a gun subsidy, a bit like cash for clunkers.

    2. Hihn…hahahahahahaha

  19. This is the height of cruelty—denying help to those who need it most.

    Sounds to me like Beto has lived a very soft life so far.

    1. There are many Americans who have grown up and lived their whole lives in very easy circumstances, who have never been told “no” when they were in need, have never had a door closed in their face when they had nowhere to go, have never missed a meal, and have never had to SAY “no” to someone in need because they needed all they had to take care of their own family. If they have had little or no exposure to those who have had it harder, then, yes, they can find it shocking that anyone ever is denied help.

      1. How many of those have passed by a homeless person, or someone in need begging for money at an intersection? I would be willing to bet that most people even those you mention have said no to someone in need in at least a passive way by ignoring the person that needs help.

        1. “needs help” is pretty subjective, esp when taking about street beggars who are often just looking for a soft touch

  20. “Israeli leader plays Trump fraud card ahead of election”
    […]
    “JERUSALEM — In a strategy reminiscent of President Trump’s 2016 campaign, Israel’s prime minister is preemptively claiming to be a victim of electoral fraud as the country prepares to head to elections.”
    https://www.sfgate.com/world/article/Israeli-leader-plays-Trump-fraud-card-ahead-of-14423466.php

    It’s an AP feed, the Chron just prints it. Is AP also claiming the Russkis are helping him?

  21. This administration has said the words on the Statue of Liberty should be rewritten

    Be better to rip that stupid poem off the statue entirely and throw it into the Harbor.

    1. The “progressives” would tear down the statue and leave the poem.

    2. If they could they would tear up the Constitution and declare it null and void. We all know it.

    3. Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I’ll piss on ’em

      /Do I even have to say who?

      1. Oh, wait, I know that one! It’s “the Russian hookers Trump hired”, right?

      2. I’m so glad Lou Reed is still alive.

      3. You left out a part. “Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I’ll piss on ’em….that’s what the Statue of Bigotry says.”

      4. R. Kelly?

  22. For a couple of minutes, at the end of the second quarter, when we were up 17-0?

    I really did think the Redskins were going to win.

    This is what it must feel like when you have rotten kids but you love them anyway.

    1. Watching Cleveland fall on its face was wonderful.

      1. John kicks dogs lying injured in the street.

        And likes it.

      2. oh my yes. Baker Mayfield believes the hype because it’s all he’s known

    2. I don’t have rotten kids so all I can say is “Fly Eagles Fly”.

    3. i’d feel bad but i don’t. go Cowboys.

      Vernon Davis is a beast.

    4. also I bet Adrian Peterson could have done better than 10 carries for 18 yards Darrius Guice.

    5. I have to admit the refs jobbed Cincinnati with that “fumble” that a blind man could have seen was an incomplete pass, but I’ll take the win. Yeah, Seattle cheats as bad as anybody this side of Foxborough but they’re still my team. (Still pissed they didn’t give Oakland a blank check for Todd Christensen back in the Dave Kreig days and win a couple of Superbowls.)

      1. Seahawks fan…
        That makes sense

  23. “It’s time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racists”

    Are we talking about real racists here, or icky white blue-collar rural voters who are considered to be insufficiently woke? Because, believe it or not, there is a big difference between the two, regardless of what Shikha says.

    “The unfortunate truth is that will a smaller libertarian movement…”

    Reason is already working on this, so no worries there.

    But at least the modern-day Judean People’s Front will be ideologically pure.

    1. They’re not working for a smaller libertarian movement. They’re working to get a staff writer’s job at The Atlantic.

      1. Incidentally nothing says “Free Minds” better than “agree with our ideological purity test or we’ll kick you out of our party”.

        Considering the LP thought nothing of nominating a moderate Republican supporter of Hillary Clinton for their veep, this stance is especially bizarre.

  24. Fun fact; this was ENB’s nickname in college

    http://www.craftybeaver.com/

    1. Fun fact; this was ENB’s nickname in college

      Oooooh Dam!

  25. The LP an the racists within it. There are a few openly racist and WS in the party. But most are what would be called “crypto-racists” and Neo-Confederalists of hte Auburn variety. But beyond that most LP members are pasty white dudes with no social lives and a shocking ignorance of the issues facing folk of color. I should know, I am one of those pasty white dudes.

    When a Black member of the party raises a legitimate issue of state aggression against Blacks, the whites in the party quickly shut him up because they would rather talk about the ROADZ. So it’s not racism per se, but it’s complete tone deafness to the actual state oppression of minorities. The War on Drugs hits the Black community disproportionately harder, but the white LP won’t talk about that much, preferring to emphasis the right to smoke dope rather than the injustice of prohibition. Because talking about injustice just feels too lefty for them.

    This is a party that still hasn’t managed to denounce those newsletters. Shame.

    1. Libertarians were the only party who are saying anything about the drug war and mass incarceration for decades. As big of a collection of whack jobs as the LP is, your criticism is not remotely fair or truthful.

      1. I agree

        But @Reason has been promoting this partial legalization of marijuana with out any mention that it is only partial and no where near a libertarian solution.

      2. Brandy is the type that idolizes a Douthat

    2. the right to smoke dope rather than the injustice of prohibition.

      One and the same.

    3. ” The War on Drugs hits the Black community disproportionately harder, but the white LP won’t talk about that much, preferring to emphasis the right to smoke dope rather than the injustice of prohibition. ”

      I have seen libertarians talk about that plenty, especially in the context of gang violence, incarceration and unemployment.

    4. “”but the white LP won’t talk about that much, preferring to emphasis the right to smoke dope rather than the injustice of prohibition.”‘

      Talked about it for decades.

      However, action is louder than words, and CA is going to start going after black market pot because not enough people are buying the over taxed legal stuff. The injustice of prohibition is not the concern of liberal leaders in CA.

    5. folk of color

      FOC you.

    6. Because talking about injustice just feels too lefty for them.

      Maybe whatever you’re smoking should be prohibited.

    7. “But most are what would be called “crypto-racists” and Neo-Confederalists of hte Auburn variety.”

      WTF does this even MEAN?

      “I should know, I am one of those pasty white dudes.”

      “White guilt” as libertarian philosophy.

      “When a Black member of the party raises a legitimate issue of state aggression against Blacks, the whites in the party quickly shut him up because they would rather talk about the ROADZ.”

      When has that EVER been the case? The LP obsesses over the police’s unfair treatment of minorities.

  26. Because…she’s crafty?

    1. SF’d that.

      1. Technically speaking, you Gilmore’d it.

    2. man she’s always down.

  27. “—-conservative movement has not made itself adequately inhospitable to racism.”

    Maybe that is because racism is a belief .
    People who are inhospitable to the beliefs of others go past the libertarian prescribed line of tolerance.

    But who knows what @Reason believes.

  28. >>>”It’s time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racists,”

    under a 26-point bold FREE MINDS header. beautiful.

    1. Unintentionally Orwellian.

    2. No mind that engages in Wrongthink can be truly free.

  29. Today, the scientific evidence verges on irrefutable. If you’re younger than sixty, you have a good chance of witnessing the radical destabilization of life on earth—massive crop failures, apocalyptic fires, imploding economies, epic flooding, hundreds of millions of refugees fleeing regions made uninhabitable by extreme heat or permanent drought. If you’re under thirty, you’re all but guaranteed to witness it.

    The publication of such preposterous bullshit in a publication like the New Yorker shows just how little regard the Green New Deal crowd has for the intelligence of anyone other then themselves. They crave power and they are willing to say anything, no matter how unsupported by any scientific evidence, that they think might sway young people to vote to give that power to the State.

    I desperately wish that global warming were real enough to drown Manhattan. If it were, the LIbertarian cause would be best served by doing everything possible to expedite the process.

    1. Unfortunately Manhattan will not drown. Global warming (AGW) would require centuries to encroach on that cesspool, if it were real.

      1. We all drowned back in 2012. Nothing to see here.

  30. http://news.trust.org/item/20190909111047-te8j6

    Democrats are now coming for natural gas. These people want to send you back to the stone ages.

    1. Not surprised at all.

    2. They will change their tune when all their favorite restaurants go out of business.

      1. They will change their tune when all their favorite restaurants go out of business.

        What makes you think that fossil fuels will be kept from the use of the Party, comrade?

        The proles will be relegated to the stone age. The Party will luxuriate in the Space Age.

  31. Tom Hanks would like everyone to stop being so cynical

    One of the reasons why Tom Hanks decided to play Fred Rogers in the new movie A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood is because he was drawn to the beloved television host’s innate kindness.

    “Cynicism has become the default position for so much of daily structure and daily intercourse,” Hanks told reporters at the Toronto Film Festival on Sunday. “Why? Because it’s easy, and there’s good money to be made. Cynicism is a great product to sell, and it’s the perfect beginning of any examination of anything. And part of that is conspiracy theories and what have you.”

    When Rogers started Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood in the late 1960s, children were receiving negative messages on other programs, Hanks said. “Why would you put something that is cynical in front of a 2- or 3-year-old kid?” he asked. “That you are not cool because you don’t have this toy? That it’s funny to see someone being bopped on the head?” That’s a poor way to treat the audience, and Rogers did the exact opposite. “We are allowed, I think, to feel good,” Hanks said. “There’s a place for cynicism, but why begin with it right off the bat?” Catherine Garcia

    F that guy!

  32. Anybody familiar with English history? What’s the record for shortest term in office for Prime Minister? Does Boris have a shot at it? He’s definitely trying his damnedest, that’s for sure.

  33. “It’s time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racists, writes Bonnie Kristian at The Week, echoing sentiments voiced by Tim Carney and Ross Douthat about Republicans and the right:”

    What a crock of shit. We don’t ‘welcome’ racists – we merely tolerate them – just as we tolerate socialists and totalitarians (but I repeat myself). What these people really want is a libertarian ‘ecosystem’ where we openly and actively target racists and push them out of ‘polite society’.

    All that does is push these people to the fringe, make them desperate, and leave them with nothing to lose. More people have been de-programmed by outreach than have ever been changed by force.

    Fucking morons.

    1. This isn’t really about racism anyway; it’s about punishing those bucktoothed cousin-humping hicks in Flyover Country who had the temerity to vote for the Orange Man. The entire article was a massive virtue signal to the rest of the Beltway Media corps.

      One can be a libertarian, but only if one appreciates a good Merlot and shops at Whole Foods.

    2. All that does is push these people to the fringe, make them desperate, and leave them with nothing to lose.

      Also, race is an objectively identifiable fact and eliminating any and all racist views makes you blind to that dimension of reality. Despite the popularity of portraying it as an axiomatic evil, it also has some moral dimensionality as well. The backwater racist hick may chuckle every time you mention your company name; Dumney Growe and Company, but he’s at least aware of the faux pas and can recognize an honest mistake that bore no ill-will. The latter being grossly lacking in people who talk about cultivating ecosystems in a social context.

      1. >>>race is an objectively identifiable fact

        is it now?

        1. Anything having to do with theories of race are an historical artifact. It only ever identified the common traits among groups resulting from geographical or cultural isolation for extended periods of time in the past. In a world with few boundaries where you can be dropped at any location on the planet within 24 hours, race is already immaterial. Differences in race need to be be correctly identified for what they really are: nothing but the expression of the variability in the human genome.

          Bringing up race is always a ploy for sympathy, but it has no merit in any scientific or political discussion. People should be judged based on the content of their character.

          And what sports team they root for.

          1. >>no merit in any scientific or political discussion

            exactly. and fuck the Eagles forever.

            1. and fuck the Eagles forever

              LOL. I was stuck on trying to figure out what Don Henley, Glenn Frey and Joe Walsh ever did that was so bad until I re-read my own comment.

              Sufficiently illuminated, I have to agree that the content of the character of an Eagles fan is self-evident. And most likely racist.

      2. So what is the “moral dimensionality” of race?

      3. Also, race is an objectively identifiable fact and eliminating any and all racist views makes you blind to that dimension of reality.

        Recognizing a person’s “race” is not racism, so eliminating racism would not make one blind to “race.”

  34. So I’m guessing by the tenor of the comments here that a True Libertarian(tm) doesn’t really care about race, or racism, or social ills (or social virtues?) that may emanate from racism. Is that about it?

  35. “It’s time to create a libertarian ecosystem that doesn’t welcome racists,”

    What is a libertarian ecosystem and when did it ever welcome racists? Racism is collectivism and libertarians generally reject collectivism.

  36. WTF is the aftermath of hurricanes in the Bahamas the responsibility of American taxpayers? It wouldn’t be the responsibility of Americans even if hurricanes weren’t predictable as clockwork. But hurricanes in the Bahamas are a fact of life, something the people there need to prepare for on their own. They have adults there, don’t they?

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