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Military Kids Born Abroad Are Not Being Denied Citizenship

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File under "not a good change, but not nearly as bad as we were initially told." No, the Trump administration won't start making members of the military jump through special hoops to get citizenship for any of their children born abroad—despite early bungled reports that this was new U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) policy. 

"As of October 29, children born to U.S. service members outside of the U.S. will no longer be automatically considered citizens," tweeted NBC reporter Ken Dilanian yesterday afternoon. "Parents will have to apply for citizenship" for any kids. 

Such a shift would have been weird, worrying, and outrageous. But it turns out Dilanian (and others) got it wrong. 

"Correction," he tweeted about an hour after his initial tweet. "Experts who have looked at new USCIS policy say it applies if a service member adopts a child overseas, but children born to service members on deployment would still automatically get citizenship." 

The change will not apply to children born to any U.S. citizens serving in the military or otherwise working abroad. It will apply only in cases of foreign adoption by U.S. citizen parents, or children born to parents were not U.S. citizens at the time of the child's birth. A Department of Defense spokesperson said the shift would affect about 100 children annually. 

Acting USCIS Director Ken Cuccinelli clarified that the policy "does NOT impact birthright citizenship." 

It also does not mean that the children will be denied citizenship, just that parents have to submit an application. The change was made to bring the definition of residence in the immigration law in line with State Department guidance, USCIS told CNN.

The station also reported that distorted news about the change "was injecting serious stress among military spouses." A Navy officer told CNN: "You should go onto a spouse Facebook page and see the freakouts." 

But while the policy may not be as bad as initially reported, some are questioning why we are suddenly making any parents take this extra step. 

"The fact that those of us who deal with immigration law all the time can read this memo and immediately point out plausible scenarios leads me to believe it's going to impact some number of people," said Martin Lester of the American Immigration Lawyers Association's Military Assistance Program. "Impacting one person is too many."


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  1. No, the Trump administration won’t start making members of the military jump through special hoops to get citizenship for any of their children born abroad…

    Military families vote Republican, dummies.

      1. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

        1. More evidence that you’re a bot. All of your ratings are in binary.

          1. Whoa!

            Way to grasp those straws, Leo.

            1. Hey now, little jokes like these are my main contribution to this site.

              1. Come on bite my shiny metal ass… Oops I meant I’m not a bot. Must kill all humans.

      2. But I’ve been told repeatedly that journalists are the new priests, giving us objective truths while being the arbiters of morality.

        1. “So it is written. So will it be done.” Yeah, that’s it. That’s the ticket.

      3. I just have to read Neil MacDonald at the CBC to side with Trump.

        1. That is why Norm MacDonald is the only Canadian whose reporting I find believable. I mean his claims that Germans love David Hasselhoff does appear to be true.

      4. The squealing from the Left on this is just hilarious. “Aaagh! Orange Man destroying the free press!” As if the Left believes in free speech anyway.

      5. The public seems to hate anyone who doesn’t agree with them. 51% approval of Trump (according to Zogby) and 51% say “it is appropriate for elected officials to criticize specific reporters and news organizations,”according to Rasmussen. It’s not surprising that those numbers align. I’m sure the Venn diagram of the intersection of these polls is a single circle.

        It’s more surprising to me that anybody (49%) would say that it’s not ok to “criticize specific reporters and new organization.” EVERY claim should hold up to scrutiny, whether it’s a politician or the press. It’s a sad state that we’ve gotten to the point where we can’t even debate or hear alternative opinions anymore as a people.

        1. It was perfectly fine when Clinton and Obama attacked Fox news but when orange man does it, very very bad

          1. Of course. If progressives didn’t have double standards, then they would have no standards at all.

    1. This is actually what the Wong Kim Ark case decided.
      Birthright citizenship pertains to the citizenship status of parents, not location of birth – which was explicitly argued against in the Congressional debates seeking to pass the 14th amendment

      1. Wong kim ark involved chinese citizens legally in the u.s. and their kid becoming a u.s. citizen. it didnt involve u.s. citizen parents.

        1. Hmm.
          Thought one parent was a citizen, but must be mistaken.
          I believe you’re correct

          1. And all the policy states is that to be considered citizens the parents just have to apply for citizenship of the child by age 18. If you adopt a foreign born infant, and you can’t fill in the paperwork by the time their 18…

            1. But idiots like Squirrely and Pedo Jeffy will scream and howl!

              1. That’s because they reject the concept of citizenship entirely.

    2. Oh. Hello.

    3. Anyone with ability to even think up this dishonorable cruel travesty, let alone to actually initiate and implement this treacherous despicable policy, and then have the absolute temerity to try to defend this moronic outrage is deserving of a daily old fashioned public horse whipping until it’s rescinded.

      1. So, the reporter who made it up

        1. Pretty much. Outlets like CNN and the NYT are flat out enemies of the republic anymore.

  2. …despite early bungled reports that this was new U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) policy.

    USCIS trolling the media.

    1. Some might call that bungling, some might call it professional malpractice.

    2. It’s not a new policy, it’s merely a clarification of an existing policy. New policies require notice and comment due process under the APA, clarifications do not. As per the Supreme Court decision in Chevron, it’s left up to the agency in question to decide whether this is a new policy or merely a clarification of an existing policy.

      I would suggest that people who weren’t affected before by this policy but now are might be forgiven for thinking this is a new policy.

      1. All were affected by it, or were supposed to be, but it was being enforced differently depending on which department you spoke to.

  3. “As of October 29, children born to U.S. service members outside of the U.S. will no longer be automatically considered citizens,” tweeted NBC reporter Ken Dilanian yesterday afternoon. “Parents will have to apply for citizenship” for any kids.

    Open border Uber alles

    1. MOST LIBERTARIAN ADMIN EVAH!

      Nothing screams libertarian more then having to ask the government for permission to raise children. Support the Troops, except in their decision to raise a family. What do they think they are fighting for freedom or something?

      1. Except none of that is true. US servicemembers who are citizens and give birth overseas (and US citizens who do so) will not have any change to the policy.

        1. Just more progtard lies. As usual.

        2. John McCain, born to a military family in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, was a beneficiary of this common-sense understanding.

  4. Kirsten Gillibrand is out.

    Having secured Secretary of the Interior or whatever cabinet post is in charge of cutlery.

    1. But is it edible cutlery to save the environment?

    2. Fake news. Democrats never cut anything.

    3. Out like lipstick? Or butch?

  5. …declines to suppress child porn evidence obtained by the FBI when it planted malware on a child porn server it ran.

    Child porn the gotten off the servers the FBI hosted?

    1. The FBI has to have something to do when it isn’t spying on Americans, framing innocent people, fucking up cases, trying to overturn elections.

      1. But enough about Ted Stevens.

    2. “Child porn the gotten off the servers the FBI hosted?”

      Don’t worry, Buttplug and Pedo Jeffy have got that covered.

    3. Yes, the FBI was actually distributing hard core child porn.


  6. Popeyes says its popular chicken sandwiches have officially sold out everywhere

    And Chick-Fil-A is still selling delicious chicken sandwiches without a shortage and being closed on Sunday.

    1. Sunday is chicken slaughter day. A delicious day for all.

    2. So you don’t think Popeye’s ran out because their sandwiches were that damn good?

      1. Was the cronut a masterpiece or just a fad?

    3. I’m not going to complain that I can choose between Popeye’s and Chick-fil-a. We all win.

    4. Why do we need 24 different chicken sandwiches?

      1. Because all of then except popeye’s suck?

        1. Jack in the box hired a hitman to come at you bro.

    5. Chick-Fil-A exists to sell chicken sandwiches so they have thousands at every restaurant ready to go.

      Popeyes was probably thinking they would sell 20 a day and they completely failed to predict consumer demand.

      1. Are you crazy?!?! This has to be some political thing. Popeyes is for bleeding heart liberal cucks. CFA is for red-blooded American heroes.

        1. Popeye’s, or at least their advertising department, have no idea what a Cajun is.

  7. A doorbell-camera company owned by Amazon founder and Post owner Jeff Bezos has secretly cut deals with 400 police departments to feed video from people’s front doors to cops who request it, creating “a wholly new surveillance network.”

    Supposedly only if the homeowner approves each request.

    1. Remember when Reason was claiming Bezos was a Libertarian? Good times.

      1. Bezos has lost about $15 billion this year because of the #DrumpfRecession. Like Charles Koch, he surely knows that supporting Democrats is the smart play for the richest people in the country. Because only Democrats will implement the Koch / Reason open borders agenda.

        #VoteDemocratToHelpJeffBezos

        1. How much money done man need?

          Bernie Sanders has

      2. John, I bet Reason still thinks doing anything to big tech firms is just too much and a horrible idea.

        Because the status quo is working out so well.

        Big Tech is killing libertarian philosophy.

        1. So is Teason, Cato, and open borders fanaticism

          1. Reason, Teason – whatever

            1. Treason?

  8. Democrats see golden opportunity to take Georgia Senate seat

    Haha. Just like Party of slavery “almost” got the Georgia Governor seat, Secretary of State seat….

    1. Republicans stole the governorship. Stacey Abrams would have won if not for voter suppression.

      #LibertariansForAbrams

        1. They do – – – –

          1. Coffins suppress them.

            1. The only reason Republicans took over Georgia in the first place is because dead people couldn’t figure out how to work the new electronic voting machines.

              (Not joking – when electronic voting machines were first introduced in Georgia, the Republican vote totals took a big jump and the media’s reaction to this was to start hinting that the GOP must have hacked the voting machines. No, you dumb shits, it’s because the Democrats hadn’t figured out how to rig the vote totals on the new machines.)

    2. As a GOP aide pointed out…why does Stacey want the EC to be eliminated? She doesn’t accept popular vote elections anyway.

  9. …policy and practice at correctional institutions haven’t met the needs of female prisoners when they require specialized treatment, preventative care and emotional support as they age behind bars…

    WHAT ABOUT MALE PRISONERS?

    1. They are suing to become women. They will be treated then.

  10. Ugh, I see conservatives are pouncing on Lawrence O’Donnell’s slight correction as if it suggests some kind of bias or sloppiness in the media’s approach to Drumpf. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Mueller’s report proved the mainstream media got #TrumpRussia correct. It’s the denialists like Glenn Greenwald and Michael Tracey who have misinformed their audience, not MSNBC.

      1. You sound like Jeff yesterday. It’s not parody to just quote people.

    1. They didn’t know how right they were. Trump is The Winter Soldier!!!!!

  11. New York Times takes hits from all sides

    Haha. Propagandists at the NYT finally are being called out for the Propagandists that they are.

    1. They fricken hired fricken Sarah fricken Jeong.

      And then there was that nutcase racist editor.

      And their writers are boring and predictable as hell. It’s like walking into your grandmothers house and seeing bad 70s wallpaper (it was once the style!) or rewatching The Big Chill and wanting to punch everyone in the movie.

      ‘Objective’ and ‘trustworthy’ journalism my ass.

      1. Except for the 20 something Meg Tilley. I would like to have done a lot of things with her.

  12. I wonder if Lizzos Truth Hurts was playing when Gillibrand was told nobody likes her.

  13. An unarmed Chinese immigrant who was fatally shot by police in California did not speak English and probably didn’t understand instructions to show his hands…

    So now law enforcement professionals are supposed to speak the language of each and every civilian they plan to shoot?

    1. Maybe they should stop being trigger happy.

  14. FBI, IRS raid UAW president’s home in Canton Township

    Union leadership finally being exposed for the criminals that they are?

    1. The piles of cash found were just in the safest investments possible due to the destruction of the economy under Trump.

  15. More Britons believe sex workers should not be punished for operating out of brothels or on the street than those who think they should…

    The crown is going to start caring what the people think?

  16. An NBC reporter got it wrong. Again. Cue little Jeffy to tell us all that it’s cool.

    1. Just because the mistakes always benefit Democrats is just a coincidence.

    2. NBC had a bad day yesterday.

      1. Maybe giving a guy known as Crazy Larry his own TV show was a bad idea. Just saying

  17. Millennials are facing the fact that their bodies cannot remain forever 21

    1. Wait until their tattoos start to wrinkle up.

    2. 21? I think half of them are still diapered.

      1. Since the youngest millennials are 19, that’s a pretty high instance of a very peculiar fetish.

  18. “policy and practice at correctional institutions haven’t met the needs of female prisoners when they require specialized treatment, preventative care and emotional support as they age behind bars,”

    Do male prisoners get all that?

    1. My wife aged just fine without specialized treatment, preventative care and emotional support. She’s still great.

    2. Only if they identify as a woman.

  19. “”Impacting one person is too many.”

    Oh shut the fuck up with that shit. OK guy, anything ever done must never impact anyone.

    *rolls eyes*

    1. If it saves just one child…

  20. An unarmed Chinese immigrant who was fatally shot by police in California did not speak English and probably didn’t understand instructions to show his hands

    It’s probably a good idea to at least learn “HANDS UP!”

    1. Learning “Stop resisting!” on the other hand is not going to do you a damn bit of good.

      1. I’m beginning to suspect law enforcement in other countries don’t wet themselves at every confrontation.

      2. The poor, backwards Chinaman had probably never seen a boomstick before much less had one aimed at him.

        1. The poor, backwards Chinaman had probably never seen a boomstick before much less had one aimed at him.

          That’s probably true.

          In China, the police carry automatic weapons–nothing so primitive as a revolver.

  21. “Such a shift would have been weird, worrying, and outrageous. But it turns out Dilanian (and others) got it wrong.”

    Fusion GPS favorite stenographer Dilanian got something wrong that smears Trump?

    I’m AMAZED by this turn of events.

    You know, after three years of a bafflingly false narrative, maybe the MSM should have to have some tradition of honesty and probity before people take them seriously again.

    1. “before people take them seriously again.”

      To engage in cultural appropriation, “never again”.

    2. Being factually correct is white supremacy

      1. Don’t you know we believe in truth over facts.

  22. “Correction,” he tweeted about an hour after his initial tweet. “Experts who have looked at new USCIS policy say it applies if a service member adopts a child overseas, but children born to service members on deployment would still automatically get citizenship.”

    That’s not really correct either.

    U.S. citizens who have a child born outside the U.S. still have to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen.

    U.S. citizenship is NOT automatically granted at birth.

    1. While applying for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad is advised it is not a requirement for the child born abroad to two US citizen parents to be a citizen. It may be hard for that child to establish his or her rights later but it is not required.

      OTOH, if only one of the parents is a US citizen there may be qualifications based on the length that said citizen resided in the USA. If you are such a parent, the people at the Consulate will be happy to tell you if your child qualifies and you should certainly check with them before you return home. But then you will certainly have to do that before you bring your spouse back anyway.

    2. Why tweet a correction oh thats right so they can claim they made the correction even though almost no one saw it. If he doesn’t do an on air correction he is playing games

      1. It’s how Jake Tapper keeps his image of being “fair”…by fucking up on air and “correcting” it on Twitter. Like how Crowley admitted she probably shouldn’t have interfered in the Romney/Obama debate…on the post-debate show.

    3. FIrs of all citizenships is automatic.

      However my BIL was born out of the country in as foreign hospital and his foreign birth certificate caused all sorts of problems.

      I also have a cousin born in Mexico who was issued an irregular birth certificate who also had issues establishing he was a citizen.

  23. “The Trump administration won’t start making members of the military jump through special hoops to get citizenship for any of their children born abroad—despite early bungled reports”

    I don’t know whether the reports were bungled or whether elitists, who know better than us, just want us to understand a greater “truth”, which is that Donald Trump is so hateful and stupid that he would deny citizenship to heroes–even if they won a purple heart. And that truth can’t be ignored or defeated, certainly not with anything as silly as facts and logic.

    We’re coming up on an election year, so expect this sort of thing to get even worse. Before long, there will be accusations that Trump not only denies citizenship to the children of our service members, he also rapes them. Also, expect that the worse it gets, the more likely Trump is to be reelected.

    Remember people covering Trump’s campaign rallies as if they were happening at Nuremberg circa 1933? Whatever happened to Michelle Fields anyway? I know Breitbart survived. Remember Gloria Allred dragging out a porn star who did gangbang, etc. movies–who was suing Trump for kissing her on the cheek without permission? I’m sure everyone remembers Pissgate.

    Expect this year to be even worse than that.

    1. I won’t be surprised if violence ensues.

  24. You knew the legacy press could find a lead-lining in that cloud, right?:

    “As troops prepare to leave Afghanistan, will aid follow?”
    […]
    “Now an expected United States-Taliban agreement to end nearly 18 years of fighting raises questions about whether the foreign aid largely propping up Afghanistan will fall as troops withdraw. Much depends on the Taliban, who have indicated they want that aid to continue.
    But if the insurgents, who already control roughly half of Afghanistan, become part of the political life and try to assert a harsh form of Islamic law across the country or continue their attacks, some donors could walk away.”
    https://www.570news.com/2019/08/28/as-troops-prepare-to-leave-afghanistan-will-aid-follow/

    It’s an AP feed; are they suggesting the US should stay and kick the Taliban out?

  25. This might be the most interesting crosstab I’ve ever seen in any poll.

    You misspelled “bizarre”. The official government story is that Epstein committed suicide – and Bernie Sanders supporters are the least likely to trust the government? Am I taking crazy pills?

    1. The 2 broken cameras outside his cell are further proof of government incompetence.

    2. I think what you’ll find is that Bernie Sanders supporters are the least likely to trust the government that is currently in power but that when Bernie takes over everything will be perfect.

      When the right people are running the government, it will be perfectly trustworthy. Trust me.

  26. Gutenberg gets to Nepal:

    “Painter-caste Nepal couple tries saving dying art”
    […]
    “While painting snake gods for the Hindu festival of Naag Pancahami, Tej Kumari recalls days when she would make thousands of posters for people to paste on their doors in August. This year she made only about 50.
    She said machine printed ones have gained popularity, leading to a drastic reduction in the number of customers. Many of the older generation who appreciated the art form have died.”
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/art-and-culture/painter-caste-nepal-couple-tries-saving-dying-art/story-6iRI2fpTTMWOWib0pJfTDJ.html

  27. I defy anyone in this thread to come up with a better example of bald-faced hypocrisy than the elitists in London, right now, who are complaining about Boris Johnson’s prorogue of parliament.

    The people of the UK voted for Brexit three years ago, and the elitists in parliament have done everything they can at every moment since to make sure that the people never get what they want.

    Now the bastards want to complain that Boris Johnson is subverting democracy?!

    LO freakin’ L

    1. For all the talk about Caesar being a dictator, he never would have gained the power he did if the oh-so-noble Catonians weren’t a bunch of equally corrupt, self-seeking shitheels.

      1. Cato gave him an ultimatum that basically sealed his decision to cross the Rubicon.

        1. It was either return alone and be executed or return with his legions and take over

          1. Cato’s fatal foolish move.

            What the heck did he think JC was gonna do?

            1. Cato was a piece of shit.
              Caesar was right

              1. Both of them were very wrong. Cato was just stupid.

                To be fair to Cato, Caesar was a really bad man.

      2. Okay, so you may need to go back a couple of thousand years to find an example like this?

        This guy at Foreign Policy is comparing the situation to King Charles vs. the Parliament, which might be apt–except that he has Boris Johnson playing the role King Charles, when, if anything, it’s the elitists in Parliament who are playing like they have the divine right of kings.

        https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/28/king-johnson-vs-parliament-prorogue-brexit-boris/

        The agenda is set:

        1) Give the opposition in parliament very little time to mount a defense of the status quo.

        2) Ask the EU for a better deal–once all the bridges are burned behind them.

        3) If the EU doesn’t offer a better deal, leave for reals!

        4) Hold elections after leaving the EU, and if the people of the UK don’t want Johnson’s people in power after that, they can throw them out on their asses.

        I believe Johnson could have prorogued the entire session but didn’t. It’s basically a filibuster–serves the same purpose–but he’s giving them a chance to mount a defense, which doesn’t reek of anti-democracy at all. If anything Johnson may be underestimating the will of elitists in both parties to have their way. A similar bet was made in Italy last week–and the Euro skeptic Italian lost the bet.

        Last week, I mentioned that the head of the League party in Italy basically forced the dissolution of the Italian government–in order to force new elections. The League is the most popular party in Italy–they’d win a majority of the seats in their legislature if elections were held today. The party is deeply EU-skeptic (like Brexit) and deeply anti-immigration. Anyway, the only way the elitists could stop another vote after this League guy forced the end of the government was for their equivalent of the Democrats and the Republicans to form a coalition government together–and what are the chances of that happening?

        He lost the bet. Turn out, the only thing the elitists who control their versions of the Republican and Democratic parties agree on is that they’d rather share power with the opposition than lose an election and give outright control of the government to the League. If this were in the U.S., it would be anti-abortionists and abortionists, gun control advocates, and pro-Second Amendment rights people, LGBT activists and social conservatives–all of them holding hand together and singing Kumbaya

        This prorogue may galvanize the elitist opposition to Brexit in both parties–both the Conservatives within his own party but out of his circle and Labour–to unify against him. That’s what just happened in Italy, and it may happen in the UK. He thinks he gave them an impossible task, but never underestimate the elitist desire to lord over people.

        1. It’s certainly one of the most famous examples. Although we could certainly bring up Hitler and Weimar.

          1. The question of Weimar is whether a democratic government should be allowed to vote itself out of existence.

            The problem with the “yes” answer is that where democracies can vote themselves out of existence, once they’re gone, it’s practically impossible to vote themselves back into existence. You have to establish a whole new government.

            Regardless, what Johnson is doing isn’t any more anti-democratic than a filibuster. In fact, he’s the only person who’s genuinely following through on a vote that was held three years ago. He’s given the opposition some time to mount a defense against him. Meanwhile, he’s aiming to call an election right after Brexit.

            When I see people who refuse to abide by a referendum calling that anti-democratic, I find it amazing. It just makes it obvious that they don’t care what they have to say to stop Brexit from happening. Propriety is out the window. They’ll say anything to avoid doing what the people want–including accuse the people who are doing what the people want of being anti-democratic. If opposing Brexit is wrong, they don’t want to be right.

    2. Ken, I agree.

      Serious question. Do you think this highlights a critical fault with representative democracy? I can’t think of a better example of a direct vote by the people being subverted by representative democracy than this. Even if it is an indictment of the UK parliament, that such a system allows this sort of thing to happen seems to be a problem with the system itself.

      1. It’s important to remember that they don’t have representative democracy the way we do.

        If we were in their system, our president would be Nancy Pelosi.

        You can’t vote for or against the prime minister unless you live in his district. Meanwhile, MPs aren’t really expected to live in the districts they represent. The more established an MP becomes, the more he or she gets to pick the district they represent. If you’re high up on the list and you’re a Conservative, you get to pick the most conservative district imaginable. In American terms, that would be like a ranking Republican picking the most conservative district in the most conservative state. If you want to run as a new MP, you have to prove yourself to the party first by running in the shittiest districts possible. In American terms, if you’re a new Republican, they might make you run first against Liz Warren in Massachusetts. You have no hope of winning, but they’re not about to let you cruise to an easy victory in Alabama when they don’t even know if you can handle yourself on TV.

        When Thatcher was in power, they used to talk about the “wets” and the “dries”, which is an old boarding school division based on who cries when their parents lave them and which ones don’t. The wets were the ones who didn’t want to go along with Thatcher’s plan, and the dries were her true supporters. Yeah, the wets were the ones who needed to face reelection in districts that were less safe–the younger guys who are less established. They call them backbenchers. If an election is called, they’re the ones who are most likely to lose their seats. Thatcher used this to keep her backbenchers in line–she’d threaten to call a snap election unless her backbenchers got on board with her program.

        All this is to say that the MPs in swing districts can be more loyal to the PM than they are to representing the views of their constituents in their districts. All this is to say that the UK’s parliamentary system is fundamentally more elitist than what we in the U.S. experience as representative democracy under a presidential system. The elitism is baked into that parliamentary system, and it’s hard to tell, from looking at the UK, what’s a function of democracy itself and what’s a function of that elitism.

        1. We’re not exactly like their system, no, but the speaker and senate majority leader both have a significant influence over the legislative agenda of their respective body. On that point specifically, there is a similar effect that a few districts (of the leaders of Congress) have a larger influence over public policy than those of say a freshman Congressman. Just think of how surprising it is when a sitting Congressional leader loses their seat in an election (Daschle, for instance). Their constituents don’t want to give up that influence either.

          The point that representative democracy often falls into the hands of a few high profile politicians is similar, at least in principle, between our system and a parliamentary system.

        2. Actually, no, if the US had the Westminster system, Nancy Pelosi would be Prime Minister and would have powers that Donald Trump, Barak Obama and other US pols have only in their wildest dreams.

          I have no problem with the rest of your comment though

      2. Not a better example but the Republicans were voted in to rid of Obamacare as they pledged to do. When they had the Congress and the presidency they didn’t.

  28. “But while the policy may not be as bad as initially reported, some are questioning why we are suddenly making any parents take this extra step.”

    Well, if you look just a bit above, you’ll find:
    ” The change was made to bring the definition of residence in the immigration law in line with State Department guidance, USCIS told CNN.”

    Perhaps someone could inform the supposed “reporter” Ken Dilanian and the anonymous “some” of this information.

    1. Which sort of raises the question of why the definition of residence in the immigration law hasn’t been in line with State Department guidance all along. For years and years and years this law seemed to be operating just fine without any significant ambiguity, why does it suddenly need clarification now? Any chance the State Department guidance they’re speaking of is effectively a new policy?

      Jesus Fucking Christ, I thought we were skeptical of government and bureaucracy. When a government agency loudly announces that they’re not doing anything you need to be suspicious of, it’s exactly as if your 6-year old just walked into the living room and nonchalantly asked, “Just out of curiosity and definitely not because there’s any reason to know, do we happen to have any fire extinguishers in the house? A lot of fire extinguishers?” You’re an idiot if you don’t think there’s something going on and you’d better find out what it is.

      1. You may be right Jerryskids however often the government is just slow at getting all its ducks in a row. good to be cautious either way

        1. I mean I read a couple of years ago that the IRS is still writing regulations related to the 1983 income tax law, but they still managed to take income taxes out of my paychecks for nearly 30 years (I’ve been working since I was 14.).

  29. OT – Pause to remember that 50 years ago this weekend, the conservatives in Young Americans for Freedom, convening in St. Louis, told the “lazy fairies” to sit down and shut up. Libertarians gave them the middle finger, walked out, and forever changed the “right wing” landscape. I suppose we libertarians could have swallowed hard, stayed in the conservative tent, and been second class members polishing such turds as Rick Santorum and Lindsay Graham.

    1. No, you can be suck-ups to the Left while everything you claim to support ends up turning to shit when tried.

      I mean, gay marriage never impacted ANYBODY…right?

      1. So we are agreed then, that the split was mutually acceptable to both sides.

      2. So, exactly how has gay marriage affected you?

        Or, maybe I should ask, show us on the doll where the gay married couple touched you.

        1. I don’t know, why don’t you ask the couple who used to own a bakery in Oregon?

    2. ..and been second class members polishing such Santorums as Rick Santorum and Lindsay Graham.

      FTFY

    3. If the libertarians (I always LOVE how you lefties like to say ‘we’) had told them to get fucked and stayed there probably wouldn’t have BEEN a Rick Santorum or a Lindsay Graham.

      But it was already too late even then, the lefty infection had already rotted the libertarians on the vine.

  30. “Impacting one person is too many.”

    Hey ENB, fuck you. They submit the form when putting the children in DEERS, problem solved. Oh, you don’t know what that is? Then do some research, you hack.

  31. > The change was made to bring the definition of residence in the immigration law in line with State Department guidance

    Which is ass backward. It’s the State Department which needs to come in to line with the law. The State Department does NOT make law.

    1. The State Department isn’t making the law, they’re just issuing “guidance” on what the law means. And it appears that their “guidance” suggests that the law now means something different than what it used to mean before. The Supreme Court totally agrees that there’s a big difference between changing the law and changing the meaning of the law and they’re okay with agencies changing the meaning of the law as long as they pinky-swear they’re not changing the law itself.

      1. Few things are more sacrosanct than the pinky swear.

  32. “Kirsten Gillibrand, Who Touted ‘Clean Elections’ and Women’s Rights, Ends Presidential Bid”

    Pretty sure she was also in favor of peace, ‘the children’ and wonderfulness.
    How will we ever forget what’s-her-face?

    1. I believe that was that other candidate that was in favor of peace and the children and wonderfulness. What’s-her-name.

    2. Love that Trump tweeted how he was glad they never figured out she was the one he feared facing the most.

      1. He should do that every time one of those turds drops out.

  33. File under “not a good change, but not nearly as bad as we were initially told.” No, the Trump administration won’t start making members of the military jump through special hoops to get citizenship for any of their children born abroad—despite early bungled reports that this was new U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) policy.

    Whew, that’s good, because the country they’re born in certainly won’t accept them.

    1. Actually, a lot of people have dual citizenship for exactly this reason

  34. Just another opportunity for the NeverTrump media to try to prevent Trump from being elected for the second term. They have given up on impeaching him so they have now turn to prevent his reelection in any way that they can including lies and distortion.

  35. In follow up to some ridiculous discussions from over the weekend . . .

    “Beijing and Washington remain “in effective communication” about their continuing trade dispute, China’s Ministry of Commerce said Thursday, adding that the two sides are still discussing whether to proceed with talks previously scheduled for September.

    In a weekly briefing Thursday, Gao Feng, a spokesman for the Chinese commerce ministry, said Beijing hopes to prioritize discussions about removing the latest tariffs unveiled by U.S. President Trump last week, in order to prevent a further escalation of the trade war.

    —-WSJ, August 29

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-u-s-remain-in-discussions-over-trade-talks-scheduled-for-september-11567065604?

    The reason the market is up today is largely because of this. Please note that it isn’t because of the way Gao Feng words his tweets. It’s because the September talks still appear to be in the cards.

    1. Meant to be a reply to Ken.

    2. What’s the Mandarin word for “Uncle”?

    3. Or, as has been reported in a number of news agencies (generally not American ones, though) China is on the precipe of economic collapse. Xi knows if the economy nose dives Hong Kong might just be the beginning of his troubles. He thought he could wait out Trump, but his economy (and domestic troubles) appear to be accelerating. The US on the other hand, while growth has slowed, it still is in an upward direction for now. Yes, those of us in agriculture are hurting, although I would point out that started before the trade war (it actually started when India and Pakistan slapped unprovoked tariffs on numerous US pulse crops. And as grain production increased in central and eastern Europe and in South America.

      1. Very true. And China has a much bigger task in feeding their people than we do here. It’s always seemed logical that they would have to blink before we do. Plus we can migrate most of our Asian manufacturing to countries that are not keen on world domination.

        1. China needs to put up with Trump for another eighteen months. I figure China can handle that.

          The forecast for America’s slack-jawed right-wingers is not so favorable, though. They will continue to be stomped into irrelevance by the American culture war, and by their educated, decent, liberal-libertarian betters.

  36. So . . . just another bit of overstated bigotry signaling by the Trump administration for the slack-jawed, obsolete, right-wing clingers.

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