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Trump Wants Israel to Bar Reps. Omar and Tlaib. He Says Allowing a Visit Would Be 'Weakness.' He's Wrong.

Strong liberal democracies can handle criticism.

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President Donald Trump on Thursday publicly called for Israel to bar Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D–Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D–Minn.) from entering the country. After originally expressing that he would allow the visit, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu followed Trump's tweet by banning both women from coming.

While Stephanie Grisham, the newly minted White House press secretary, told the media that Trump voiced no such desire, the president took to Twitter just an hour later, calling the two congresswomen a "disgrace."

 

Tlaib and Omar are both critics of Israel who support the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction (BDS) movement, which seeks to punish the country for its treatment of Palestine. Netanyahu cited their support for BDS as the chief reason for his decision.

"As a vibrant and free democracy, Israel is open to any critic and criticism, with one exception: Israel's law prohibits the entry of people who call and operate to boycott Israel, as is the case with other democracies that prevent the entry of people whose perception harms the country," he said in a statement.

That's a pretty big exception. The country is open to any critic, he says, excluding those who use their freedom of association to combat what they view as a violent infringement on Palestinian human rights. Trump, meanwhile, has demonstrated once again that he'd rather score cheap political points than uphold cherished American ideals like free expression.

Both congresswomen have a history of wielding incendiary and loaded tropes to drum up sympathy for Palestine. Omar notoriously tweeted in 2012 that Israel had "hypnotized the world," and earlier this year, she called for more conversation around "the political influence in this country that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country."

Omar's critics pointed out to her that these are popular talking points among antisemites and conspiracy theorists. While she apologized for her remarks, she contends that such statements were a commentary on money in politics, akin to her criticisms of the National Rifle Association (NRA). However, Omar's seemingly never-ending string of ad hominem insults, in which she suggests that anyone who disagrees with her is on some nefarious character's payroll, is a fruitless way to approach political and policy debates.

That there are more nuanced ways to discuss the conflict between Israel and Palestine shouldn't matter when it comes to deciding whether or not two American legislators are permitted to enter Israel. They are not violent, the U.S. is an ally of Israel, and Congress sends billions of dollars to Israel each year. Diplomatic decorum suggests they should be allowed entry, just as the U.S. has granted safe passage to critics of American foreign policy for the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

What's more, their visit could have been an opportunity to engage the two congresswomen on where they come up short—particularly as it relates to the tactics used by Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group. As David Brinn writes at The Jerusalem Post:

Tlaib and Omar need to be let in and allowed to see what's going on in Ramallah, Hebron and east Jerusalem. And every effort should be made by Israel to meet with them and present the other side of the coin. If Tlaib and Omar decline, it will be their loss—but Israel will have done the right thing. Now, all we've done is give Israel's detractors a great gift.

And that gift comes at Israel's expense. Netanyahu will not wound the BDS movement by ostracizing the congresswomen; he will only embolden it. The prime minister opted to silence instead of engage—a surefire strategy to lose the long game.

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  1. And every effort should be made by Israel to meet with them and present the other side of the coin.

    Did Omar and Tlaib even have any meetings with Israeli leaders on the itinerary?

    1. No. And if I remember right they even protested pro Israel groups speaking in the U.S.

    2. Omar and Tlaib should be shot for treason and sedition
      .

      1. I’m gonna make a comment down below, and people are going to give me more shit for that comment than they will to you for calling for the execution of elected officials.

        1. people are going to give me more shit for that comment than they will to you for calling for the execution of elected officials

          And I’ll tell you why.

          Here’s the fundamental reason.

          Last of the Shitlords doesn’t come here to engage people. He does drive-bys for the sole purpose of insulting people he disagrees with.

          I used to criticize his comments and try to engage him on points I disagree with him on, but you will find that he almost never returns to follow up. He just drops comments and moves on.

          You do engage people, and occasionally show signs of critical thinking skills, and come here looking specifically to stir up controversy and spark debate.

          But you also tend to talk out of your ass and then double-down on the frequent occasions when you spoke hastily and were wrong.

          People don’t ignore Last of the Shitlords because they approve of what he says. They ignore him because there’s no point responding to him. People react to you the way they do because you frustrate them in your refusal to see your own self-contradictions and blind spots.

          1. I’m flattered. Thank you.

          2. I generally agree with what you’ve said here, but there are plenty of posters like Shitlord who are just as unthinking while still getting plenty of responses from people. The Rev, for starters.

            I don’t believe that certain regular commenters here are actual fascists like Shitlord. But when the disapproving replies to Kirkland are 5x what they are to someone advocating for genocide, it’s…not a good look.

            1. Looks like someone forgot their big boy pants

              1. Sorry that I disparaged your fascist friend.

                I’ll give you credit Nardz, Shitlord wants Civil War 2.0 to start in the next hour. You’re willing to give it a year or two. Could be worse!

        2. I’m gonna give you shit for being a crybaby piece of shit.

          Seriously, you’re whining about getting shit? Lol grow a pair sally.

          1. Best regards.

      2. Exactly the sort of action one would expect from Lord of the Shitholes

        1. Exactly the sort of crying one would expect from you.

        2. He and Tulpa are just angry rednecks/bigots.

          Trump Trash – both of them.

          1. Like anyone cares what your welching pedo ass thinks lolooll

            1. Trump Trash

          2. “He and Tulpa are just angry rednecks/bigots”
            I’ve seen far more bigoted shit from you than either of them.

  2. Yes let them go to Israel so they can meet with terrorist sympathizers, virtue signal about fake countries, and take fake photos like AOC at the border.

    On our dime, mind you.

    The Reason clown show rolls on

    1. Shed give new meaning to a wailing wall. But shed mistake a parking lot and be at the wrong place.

  3. In theory allowing them every to meet and discuss in good faith would be the high road.

    I do not know that either had a mind that can be opened by rational discourse. And Palestine/Israel is a problem without a middle ground solution.

    1. I do not know that either had a mind that can be opened by rational discourse.

      I’d go so far as to say that I know they don’t. Netanyahu trying to “present to them the other side of the coin” would be as productive as trying to convince my cat that it’s wrong to hunt birds.

  4. Omar and Tlaib are not anti-Semitic. You want to know who is anti-Semitic? The people who advocate “Open Borders for Israel” — in other words, Drumpf’s alt-right white nationalist base.

    #LibertariansAgainstIslamophobia

    1. On a more serious note about this subject, the alt-right talks about open borders for theocracies and culturally homogenous societies because most people realize that doing so undermines said society. They feel the same is happening to America and simply want to point out the double standard. Of course they do it quite poorly by suggesting that Jews ruin everything and that their criticism is intended at us.

  5. Trump, meanwhile, has demonstrated once again that he’d rather score cheap political points than uphold cherished American ideals like free expression.

    They can’t express themselves outside of Israel?

    Reason consistently stands up for entities’ rights to support a position noting those who criticize them for doing so are advocating limiting their expression. Similarly Trump advocates the Israeli government expressing its opinion. No one is preventing these numbnuts from expressing themselves.

    Binion is piling up his cheap political points at the expense of principles though. But that’s to be expected.

    1. Hes aiming for shikhas job.

      1. Or Shikha’s ass.

        1. One more anti-Trump missive and he gets a sympathy bang.

          1. It must get her all horned up. She could hang him while her husband watches. Odds are he’s that sort anyway.

    2. Marshal so so much better than marshaul

  6. Strong liberal democracies can handle enforcing the rule of law.

    2017 Israel made it illegal to enter the country of you support the Israeli boycott movement. These two women have agitated for the boycott which puts them at odds with the law.

    Israel is 100% doing the right thing. There is zero reason to allow people with no integrity and who have power to do whatever they want.

    1. These two women have agitated for the boycott which puts them at odds with the law.

      Also makes it a little hypocritical for them to visit Israel, no? Are they going to continue boycotting Israel while they’re there? What does that look like?

        1. And they don’t mean Gaza or the West Bank to meet with the Palestinian Authority – they’re talking about Tel Aviv and meeting with the Israeli authorities, calling it “Palestine.”

          I mean, I agree that it would have been better/smarter of Netanyahu to allow them to come and indulge in their tomfoolery, as both women strike me as pretty non-serious, and I don’t personally see anti-Zionism as being equivalent to antisemitism, or support for the Palestinian cause as being necessarily hostile to Jews in general.

          But I mean, come on.

          They both posture so hard about Israel and when you delegate your diplomatic visit to Tel Aviv to meet with Netanyahu as “U.S. Congressional Delegation to Palestine,” you’re just publicly pissing in the face of Israelis, and given what a famously delicate situation it is, you really shouldn’t be surprised if after your railing about Israeli injustice and your support of BDS your topping it off with referring to the country as “Palestine” gets you uninvited.

          1. A person could argue that the West Bank is part of Palestine (not that I would).

            I just hate to see Bibi the Rat play conservatives for fools on the “threat” Iran presents. That thief would steal the whole Middle East if he could.

            1. A person could argue that the West Bank is part of Palestine

              That was my point. It would be deliberately inflammatory even if they were talking about the West Bank, but they’re talking about Tel Aviv.

              I just hate to see Bibi the Rat play conservatives for fools on the “threat” Iran presents.

              I don’t think it’s all Bibi.

              1. Fair points both.

                1. Stop fucking children you pedo.

          2. Some details about their trip… it is funded by Miftah.

            “A closer examination of Miftah, which Israel’s PM noted was funding Omar and Tlaib’s trip, reveals that the non-governmental organization (NGO) is extremely anti-Semitic, has ties to terrorist sympathizers, and has falsely accused Jews of using “the blood of Christians in the Jewish Passover.” Miftah has also reportedly praised suicide bombers and deems terrorists as being national heroes.”

            I’d tell them to fuck off if I was Israel too.

          3. “I mean, I agree that it would have been better/smarter of Netanyahu to allow them to come and indulge in their tomfoolery”

            Sure, I guess some people might think getting pissed in the face of is the better/smarter thing to do…

        2. Their itinerary says they’re traveling to “Palestine.”

          Keep them in a holding pattern until they find it.

  7. Reason has yet to see a leftist it can’t excuse and support.

    1. Not true. Reason (justifiably) criticizes Bernie Sanders when he says dumb things about economics.

      #BillionairesKnowBest

    2. Reason has yet to see a leftist it can’t excuse and support.

      In a completely unprincipled manner no less. I could understand if there was gonna be peace between Israel and Palestine if these two women were gonna set foot on Israeli soil but nothing like that is even remotely in the cards. No good is going to come out of them traveling there, none. Israel’s very existence emboldens the BDS movement. No action they take other than falling on their own sword would satisfy it. They are an overt bellwether for Israel acting in it’s own interest.

    3. Pretend Obama prevented Tucker Carlson from visiting Canada. How would you react? In precisely this same manner, or in some other manner?

      I patiently await your first-ever exercise in self-reflection. Maybe this will be the day.

      1. Pretend Obama prevented Tucker Carlson from visiting Canada.

        Suppose Justin Trudeau prevented Tucker Carson visiting Canada in support of Native Americans trying to overthrow the Canadian government. No, I wouldn’t have a problem with that.

        I patiently await your first-ever exercise in self-reflection.

        Look who’s talking.

      2. Israel is preventing them from visiting dipshit. They control visas to Israel, not trump. God you’re dumb.

          1. Well, it’s not like you knew that since your stupid fucking hypothetical got the actual detials of it wrong.

      3. Considering that isn’t a comparable scenario, why would anyone do that?

      4. Pretend Obama prevented Tucker Carlson from visiting Canada. How would you react? In precisely this same manner, or in some other manner?

        Here in the real world, people are denied entry to other countries all the time and nobody loses any sleep over it or spills any ink over it. Conservatives in particular recognize the right of any nation to exclude anybody they want for any reason.

        1. You don’t see the Right raging that the UK won’t allow Michael Savage in. And he doesn’t openly hate the UK.

      5. “Pretend Obama prevented Tucker Carlson from visiting Canada. ”

        How would he?

        If Trudeau did so, that’s one thing and he’s able to do that.

        Trump isn’t blocking them from Israel. Heck, if Tlaib would honor the reason she provided to Israel and the terms for her trip, she’d be going.

    4. +100

  8. “Strong liberal democracies can handle criticism.”

    “Where are you guys hiding your Jew gold? LOL” is not rational criticism

    1. #CartmansupportsOmarandTlaib

    2. OK, that made me laugh.

  9. Poor Binion, writing for The Nation and Al-Hayat, but only getting published in Reason.

  10. “They hate Israel & all Jewish people, & there is nothing that can be said or done to change their minds.
    Orange Hitler is the worst Hitler ever.

    1. Dog Refuses To Bite Two Women Who Didn’t Want To Be Bitten By Dog: Anti-Israel Movement Emboldened, Trump To Blame

      By Billy Binion

    2. Whoops. Threading fail.

  11. They can, but why should they have to?

  12. “The prime minister opted to silence instead of engage”

    So, not letting them stand on a certain piece of ground is “silencing” them?

    Is that really how sound works?

    1. But youtube didn’t silence Project Veritas because PV can just start their own web streaming/video hosting service.

  13. The US denied entry to India’s now PM, Modi when he was a state official because his Hindu nationalist politics was deemed inflammatory. This is something that nations have authority to do and is not unheard of. Also, given the past actions of this group of pols is not as if they have a history of intellectual integrity.

  14. Denying a right to exist, propagandizing Jewish history, and playing into the Arab League/PLO narrative is not “criticism.” It is anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish in the most blatant manner possible. A homeland for everyone except us. Right of return for everyone except us. Cultural determinism for everyone except us.

    1. A homeland for everyone except us.

      Well, and the Kurds. And the Assyrians. And the Chaldeans. And the Rohingya. And the Isaaq. And the Berbers. And . . . what were we talking about again?

  15. The president pressuring a foreign government to deny entry to government officials on the basis of their speech violates the spirit of the First Amendment.

    Now a bunch of libertarians are going to explain that the spirit of the constitution doesn’t matter, only the letter, as long as Orange Man is the one pissing all over it.

    1. I’m bored. Can I come to your house and yell at you for awhile? I know you wouldn’t want to violate the spirit of the first amendment so now I’ll just need to know your address and the least convenient time of the day for you

      1. You can. I don’t call the pigs. You certainly can.

    2. Violates the spirit.

      It’s how weasel bitches say “perfectly fine”

      1. “When a Republican does it”

        1. Or you. Because you just did it.

    3. “the spirit of the constitution doesn’t matter, only the letter,”

      Now do the right to keep and bear arms.

      1. Same deal, except you guys won’t even acknowledge half the letters.

        1. “except you guys won’t even acknowledge half the letters.”

          I thought we were talking about the spirit, not the latter you fucking retard.

          Jesus, you can’t even keep your story straight.

          1. Neither the spirit nor the letter means what you think it means. At least until you finally get Ted Nugent on the supreme court.

            1. “Neither the spirit nor the letter means what you think it means.”

              And who elected you the arbiter of that? You’re an imbecile. You can’t even categorize what’s happening in this story properly.

              1. I frankly don’t give the first runny shit about what James Madison might have thought about gun policy in the 21st century.

                If we must live by a second amendment, at least don’t make it worse than it already was.

                1. ” I frankly don’t give the first runny shit about what James Madison might have thought”

                  Which is no different than how we feel about you.

        2. Some of us know what a descriptive clause is and how it doesnt modify the independent. You apparently failed middle school english.

    4. The president isnt pressuring shit idiot. Israel is denying them a visa on the basis they support the BDS movement openly. Support for BDS restricts visas per a recently passed Israeli law. It is like you know absolutely nothing about what you cry about.

      1. So libertarians are excitedly wanking off to Israel’s violation of freedom of thought.

        The president is calling congresswomen anti-semites. And his supporters keep insisting on having guns.

        Fix your own fucking radicals.

        1. “Israel’s violation of freedom of thought.”

          Wait, Netanyahu stopped them from thinking by preventing the from going to a place?

          Lol that’s dumb.

          1. I already anticipated your lame, anti-freedom excuses. No need to recite them and bore us all to death.

            1. If you anticipated it, then why clown yourself saying it lololo.

            2. Your arguments literally prove you know nothing about the situation. You just want to ignorantly cry about shit you cant be bothered to investigate. Loom up Miftah and who they are. They are funding the two morons trip.

        2. The president is calling congresswomen anti-semites.

          When he lies you whine, but when he tells the truth you wine about that too. Maybe someday explain what’s wrong with calling anti-semites anti-semites.

          So libertarians are excitedly wanking off to Israel’s violation of freedom of thought.

          Nobody is preventing them or you from thinking. It’s entirely your own choices.

          1. At least half of Trump’s base are anti-semites, so what’s the problem?

            1. And racist too!!

              Lol you haven’t learned that you burned those out bruh.

              1. They didn’t stop being racists just because someone called their name. This isn’t opposite Beetlejuice for racists.

                1. And they didn’t start just because you lost an election to them.

                  But that hasn’t stopped you from insisting otherwise.

                2. Yup. The Democrats are still racists after all these decades.

                  The Party of slavery.

                  1. Republicans, the party of not knowing shit about anything, including history.

                    1. Republicans, the party of not knowing shit about anything, including history.

                      How old are you, 7? How juvenile.

            2. what’s the problem?

              It’s an odd question since you’re the one complaining about accurately describing anti-semites. So you’re admitting there’s nothing to complain about in your defense of complaining? Lose track of your arguments much?

              Revealingly you defend proven anti-semites but have no problem labeling wide swaths of people without evidence. Never change.

              1. No seriously. The “Jews will not replace us” crowd is Trump’s acknowledged base. What could possibly be the reason they aren’t seeking allies in these other supposed Jew haters in positions of power?

                1. No seriously we all see you just clowned yourself again.

                2. Trump.has a huge base in NYC and Jersey which is showing the greatest increase of assaults on Jewish people.

                  1. NYC and Jersey

                    The Dotard was crushed by voters in both of those states.

        3. Uh, Omar’s own part censured her for being an anti-Semite, dipshit

      2. The president isnt pressuring shit idiot.

        God you people are useful idiots.

        1. Axios has written multiple stories tracking the changes in decisions for the last week. Written by the diplomatic correspondent for Israel’s Reshet 13 (which is one of the two non-govtl general broadcasting TV stations that Israel allows).

          1. No no, you’re absolutely right Netanyahu totally never does anything like this on his own, he’s super down with BDS types lolololo

            1. And yet – as reported by Axios a month ago

              Israel will allow Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) to enter the country on an upcoming trip, regardless of their support for the BDS movement, Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer said in a statement….
              Dermer’s statement was authorized by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
              “Out of respect for the U.S. Congress and the great alliance between Israel and America, we would not deny entry to any member of Congress into Israel.”
              — Ron Dermer

              You fucking think Netanyahu is so ill-informed that he just found out those two are BDS?

              1. No no no, you’still absolutely right Netanyahu totally never does anything like this on his own, he’s super down with BDS types lolololo

                1. Trump tweeted – Hey bibi you’re such a dickless pussy letting them in.

                  And proving that he is in fact a dickless pussy, bibi bends over for Trump. Just like you.

                  1. Do you get how fucking stupid you sound?

                2. No no no, you’re STILL absolutely right Netanyahu totally never does anything like this on his own, he’s super down with BDS types AHHAHAHAHAHAH

              2. ….and then they published their itinerary…..

          2. No wonder you’re a fucking moron. You use a literal anti semetic publication in axios to defend your position. You cant write this stuff. Hilarious.

            1. You’re just a bot aren’t you.

              1. Says the bot JFree

        2. Please enlighten us how trump changed an israeli visa directive from 2016 you utter moron.

    5. I wouldn’t think that any sentient being would think that Trump gives any shits at all about the 1A. Or any of the other Amendments, for that matter.

      Israel seems to have changed their mind independent of Trump. Heckle and Jeckle had a prepared itinerary for their trip that described their trip to “Palestine”. And their sponsor was a horribly anti-Semitic group that among other things still spouts off about shit like “blood libel” and has approvingly published screeds by white supremacists. I guess those two must believe that there are good people on both sides…….

      1. This is not being widely seen as a diplomatic triumph for Trump or Netanyahu.

        1. Your whining proves otherwise.

          1. And what is proved by your mindless zombie-like recitation of lame, conventional right-wing Republican pro-Trump positions on literally every single policy and political narrative?

            1. That you’re easily upset, and made to whine about shit you know you’re losing on.

              1. Feel free not to make any actual point, but please don’t make me feel embarrassed for you by declaring some sort of victory.

                1. I am making a point. You’re a thin skinned bitch.
                  God damn bitch, just because you don’t like doesn’t mean it isn’t a point.

                  1. I spend my days as a progressive on a libertarian board being called an AIDS-ridden faggot and whatever less creative insults your tweaked-ass mind comes up with, and I have thin skin.

                    1. So… You think crying like a bitch will make you look less like a crybaby bitch.

                    2. I think you need to consume fewer amphetamines.

                    3. Holy shit you’re still crying about this.

        2. “This is not being widely seen as a diplomatic triumph for Trump or Netanyahu.”

          I’m not sure to what extent either of those guys care about how it’s seen, but what do you mean? Widely seen by whom?

          1. Let’s say it’s not the moment the entire civilized world said “Oh, Trump’s not an awful dangerous catastrophe after all because he pressured Israel to ban sitting members of government from travel for the purposes of domestic political bigot-baiting. Our mistake!”

            1. “the entire civilized world”

              So nobody really, just you running your dicksucker again.

              1. Nobody, just the entire civilized world.

                Believe it or not, Bugfucker, Alabama, is not the culture capital of the world.

                1. Right, so nobody, just you running your dicksucker.

            2. The purpose of the representatives’ trip was international political bigot-baiting. Unless you see blood libel as a real thing and you also actually believe that white supremacists are being treated unfairly by the media because the media is controlled by Jews.

              They get zero sympathy for that bullshit.

              1. Because you disagree with their speech.

                You’re supposed to be the freedom people!

                1. Freedom of Association.

                  Oh damn, I forgot you hate that one.

                2. “Because you disagree with their speech.”

                  See, here you go again. What the fuck are you even talking about? Where did I say that they shouldn’t be allowed to speak?

                  I said they don’t get any sympathy because they’re race-baiting assholes. But they’re free to race bait all they want. That’s how it works.

                  I’m a hell of a lot more sanguine toward their rights than you are about the “cousin fuckers” you’re always complaining about.

                  1. I started off by talking about the spirit of free speech. The whole fucking purpose for which it exists.

                    Someone needs to explain to me when libertarianism adopted the motto: “It’s technically not illegal, so it’s OK!”

                    1. And then you accused me of being opposed to their freedom to speak. And I asked you where I said that they shouldn’t be allowed to speak. And you didn’t answer the question, you just repeated what you already said.

                    2. Well, he was lying. That’s why.

                    3. They’re being denied foreign travel because of their alleged political beliefs. And people are defending this because “It’s technically not against the law for Israel to do it!” In other words, the libertarian angle.

                    4. You said speech, now you move that to travel, which isn’t speech, because you were lying. Like I said you were. Bitch.

                    5. They’re being denied foreign travel because of their alleged political beliefs.

                      No, they’re not. They’re being removed from a diplomatic delegation due to their distinctly undiplomatic gestures toward the country to whom the delegation was headed.

                      Tlaib was specifically told that if she wants to visit her family, she can apply through the normal channels.

                      I think several of us are not saying “great victory for liberty” so much as “poor diplomacy on Netanyahu’s part, but unsurprising given the behavior of Tlaib and Omar, and not really a free speech issue in the end.”

                    6. Poor diplomacy indeed. If the goal is to make American politicians more Israel-friendly, maybe letting them visit Israel would be a smart move.

                      I’m perfectly willing to dump the speech angle and focus on how horrible Trump and Netanyahu are, but it gets a bit boring after a while.

                    7. “I’m perfectly willing to dump the speech angle”

                      NOW you are. Because you were caught looking stupid and lying.

                    8. There’s a reason I avoid children, the mentally infirm, and state fairs. Can you guess what that reason is?

                    9. Your status on the registry obviously.

                    10. Poor diplomacy indeed. If the goal is to make American politicians more Israel-friendly, maybe letting them visit Israel would be a smart move.

                      Agreed.

                      I’m perfectly willing to dump the speech angle and focus on how horrible Trump and Netanyahu are, but it gets a bit boring after a while.

                      It does. But just because something is boring, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

        3. It should be. Omar, at least, has shown herself incapable of even pretending to not be an anti-Semite. On her supposed apology tour she thought it would be a good time to accuse all of the Jews she talked to of basically being traitors to the US. Because that’s how you apologize for coming off as bigoted about a ethnic or religious group, right? You find a new way to paint them with the broadest/most negative brush you can find.

          1. Do Republicans get to be painted by their most radical members?

            I’ll go with Steve King. You’re all Steve King.

            1. Do Republicans get to be painted by their most radical members?

              You do so regularly.

              But, where does lap83 say anything about anyone other than Omar?

              1. It’s not my fault Republicans’ most ridiculous representative is the president of the United States. But Steve King could easily slip in to no. 1 if you like.

                Are we going to pretend like elevating these freshmen congresswomen to international prominence is about something other than politics?

                1. Are we going to pretend like elevating these freshmen congresswomen to international prominence is about something other than politics?

                  Why would we? Trump clearly likes to call attention to them in order to force other Democrats to either support them or renounce them – like you do with Steve King and Republicans.

                  I missed the part where you explained what lap83 said about anyone other than Omar, but I caught the part where you painted Republicans by their most radical members.

                  1. One of their most radical members being the president of the United States. And he pretty much controls what the rest of them are allowed to think. That is not the scenario going on with Democrats.

                    1. You’re flailing.

          2. +100

  16. The premise of the article is that Israel is a strong democracy able to stand the visit of two less than friendly US Congresswomen. But it appear that is changing. Tom Friedman has written about attempts by Prime Minister Netanyahu to set himself above the law. This is to avoid facing indictments and trial. There is regional alignments with authoritarian rulers. And the looming future of a country with minority rule. In my life time I have seen Israel as the underdog who now seem the oppressor. Israelis need to heed the lessons of history and look at the British in India or the white government of South Africa. They need reforms before the Palestinian’s find a Gandhi or Mandela.

    1. You read Tom Friedman???

      1. Well, conservatives don’t write anything – they just bleat their greasy lips on AM Radio. Plus those same conservatives like Hamhead Hannity and Fat Rush Limbaugh (King of the Rednecks) never finished freshman English composition so they are pretty much incapable of writing.

        Now there once was a very erudite conservative named George Will but he has been evicted from the GOP for daring to criticize the Orange Shitgibbon.

        1. Don’t sell George Will short. He’s still a pompous windbag with stupid ideas. He cleared a very low bar and gets invited on MSNBC now.

          1. So you’re saying he’s better than you.

            1. Probably richer.

              1. Well yeah, you owe 250k just in student loans. And you make money primarily by giving handies.

                1. You are truly an autistic retard. And I mean that as an insult.

                  1. Wow pointing out your shaky financial situation made you even bitchier.

    2. Tom Friedman thinks China has democracy figured out, namely by shitcanning it for his preferred authoritarian dictatorship. Maybe don’t take him quite so seriously.

    3. Did Friedman get the skinny from his cabdriver?

    4. You really think a nation of Jews is going to give a shit if the Palistinians do find a Ghandi or Mandela?

      1. As if the Palestinians would even give a shit if they found a Gandhi. They don’t do passive resistance.

        1. The Palestinians are looking for their Gandhi…so they can stone him.

  17. Israel is NOT a liberal Democracy. They dont allow non-Jews to vote.
    Non-Jews Are About to Lose the Right to Vote in Israel

    1. Israel is a religious state.

    2. No Israeli Arabs and Druze have every right to vote and everything else.

      1. How about be paid for their kidneys?

        (sorry, Echo. I had to.)

      1. So Arab Israelis can be Prime minister of Israel?
        Arab Israelis can form a government in Israel?

        I doubt it.

        I get it. Jewish folks wanted their own country, so through bombings and other methods, they formed Israel. We all know that there are Sematic peoples who have ancient claims to that region and are not Jewish.

        Just call Israel what it is, a Jewish state.

        1. I thought non-Jews couldn’t vote? What’s this new goalpost about forming a separate government?

          You: Hispanic Americans can’t vote
          Me; Lie
          You: Well, where are all the Hispanic Presidents? Why haven’t they formed their own government in the US?

          This is terrible by Tony standards

  18. but you don’t explain how his weakness claim is wrong

  19. Netanyahu was really just afraid that Trump wouldn’t let them back into the US once they were Israel’s headache.

  20. Making Israel’s right-wing belligerence a left-right divider in American politics should have several good consequences.

    We’ll save plenty of money when most Americans no longer wish to subsidize Israel in substantial and varied manners.

    We’ll have fewer undesirable restraints on foreign policy when we no longer provide political skirts for Israel to operate behind.

    Our military personnel will sustain far less risk after we stop providing military skirts for Israel to hide behind.

    Most Americans oppose superstition-laced, immoral right-wing belligerence at home; why would they wish to subsidize it elsewhere?

    I can see why selfish clingers would use Israel — whose residents play a role in a superstitious clinger delusion that is to end when Jews are cast into eternal damnation — to lather up the rubes. Why any Israeli with a self-preservation instinct, or anyone who supports Israel within the reality-based, world, would wish to see Israel alienate most Americans is inexplicable.

    Oh, well . . . it’s their funeral.

    1. “Why any Israeli with a self-preservation instinct, or anyone who supports Israel within the reality-based, world, would wish to see Israel alienate most Americans is inexplicable.”

      You really think those two are popular with most Americans? They’re no more popular than Trump, probably less.

      And with all your babbling about reason and tolerance and liberal-libertarian rational thought – I mean, isn’t that hard to reconcile against support of a group that bleats about blood libel and that publishes pieces describing how Jewish control of the media has lead to white supremacists getting a bad rep? You stand with those opinions?

      1. And Republicans and right-wing Israelis are so calm and measured in their depiction and treatment of Arab Muslims.

        1. So you’re saying Tlaib and Omar are as bad as them?

          Wow, that’s a level of honesty you don’t normally reach there Esmeralda.

        2. “And Republicans and right-wing Israelis are so calm and measured in their depiction and treatment of Arab Muslims.”

          Gosh, Tony, it’s almost as if there are bad people on both sides. Can that be even possible?

          The difference between you and me is that you sympathize with the bad people on one side because politics has destroyed your objectivity. I think they’re all a bunch of jackasses, regardless of the team jersey they wear.

          1. I don’t sympathize with “sides.” I sympathize with victims of terrible circumstances. If that happens to cover destitute Muslims living in a bombed-out prison-society instead of nuclear-powered America-subsidized Israelis, so be it.

            1. Israel was created by the United Nations for better or worse.

              Ironically conservatives despise the UN but support Israel. They also despise the UN for not backing the Bushpigs up in the Iraq Fiasco and Hostile Invasion.

              You can’t have it both ways Tony. You either support the UN and the state of Israel or you don’t.

              Me? I support the state of Israel for the right reason – the UN created it. Conservatives tend to support the state of Israel because Jesus is coming back there to pull the guts out of all the non-believers on Judgement Day.

              1. Well I don’t want it wiped off the map. There are nukes and ancient ethnic hatred at play. That’s when I become a moderate.

                1. But there is a state of Israel there with boundaries. You’re okay with that, right? Those people have the right to govern themselves, right?

                  No doubt Bibi is a piece of shit but that is a separate issue.

                  1. Your problem would be that they also hate you for being a poster of child pornography.

                  2. Making Israel not a state is not a proposal that is on any table that exists in reality.

                    1. Sarah Palin’s Buttplug not being a pedophile is also not something that exists in any reality.

                    2. Making Israel not a state is not a proposal that is on any table that exists in reality.

                      Actually it is. When Mullahs talk about de-mapping Israel they are talking about erasing the boundaries.

                      Now conservatives lie when they maintain that Muslims want to “wipe Israel off the map” as in nuclear annihilation. In reality Muslims don’t respect boundaries as there is no need for them in an Allah ruled world.

                    3. Well I’m comfortably not on the side of the Mullahs. On this particular issue, as I just learned, apparently I’m on the side of AIPAC.

                    4. Oh hey Tony thinks that he’s right because someone somewhere agrees with him. He never gets tired of getting that wrong.

              2. How is your previously banned pedophile ass still not getting that you’re a pariah?

                1. Shut up you piece of Trump Trash. I am trying to tell Tony why Israel is legit.

                  1. And I’m trying to point out you got banned for posting kiddie porn.

                    1. You lie. But we all know that.

                      You’re so insecure that you only know insult as a defense.

                    2. We saw you admit it. To Sevo. You sad banned pedo.

                    3. “You’re so insecure that you only know insult as a defense”

                      “Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
                      August.15.2019 at 9:41 pm
                      Shut up you piece of Trump Trash”

                      Hoist upon your own pedo-tard

            2. “I don’t sympathize with “sides.””

              Bullshit. You do it every day. Consistently.

              In this case you’re sympathizing with the side that wants to send two congresspersons to “Palestine” to provide legitimacy to a group that celebrates suicide bombers, is virulently anti-Semitic, and sympathizes with poor misunderstood white supremacists because of their treatment by the Jewish media. And you’re doing it because the two congresspeople have a “D” after their names.

              If it was, say, Steve King getting this treatment you’d think it was totally swell.

              So Tony, do you actually think that Jews practice blood libel? Do you think that white supremacists are getting a bad rap from the Jews in the media?

              1. So you support the United Nations and the creation of Israel I take it?

                1. And you support child rape, because you posted links to it.

                  1. You’re an insecure childish dirtbag who has to always insert himself into shit you don’t understand.

                    1. No I definitely understand that you’re a pedo.

                      You admitted it.

                      “Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
                      August.3.2019 at 11:20 pm
                      Fuck you old man, no one made you click on the KP links I posted. I thought you were supposed to be a Libertarian grampa.

                      “Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
                      August.3.2019 at 11:20 pm
                      Fuck you old man, no one made you click on the KP links I posted. I thought you were supposed to be a Libertarian grampa.”

                      https://reason.com/2019/08/03/el-paso-walmart-shooter-allegedly-wrote-anti-immigrant-manifesto-calling-hispanics-invaders/#comment-7879239

                2. “So you support the United Nations and the creation of Israel I take it?”

                  It’s a moot point. Israel was made a thing quite a while before I was born.

                  Are you trying to trap me in some logical inconsistency? I neither support or oppose the UN. Sometime it does good things and sometimes it does stupid/shitty things. I’m pleased when it does something right and I don’t like it when it does something wrong. Whatever.

                  1. Are you trying to trap me in some logical inconsistency?

                    Yes. You have proven you are smarter than a conservative.

                    1. And also smarter than a pedophile, you.

  21. Tlaib and Omar are almost as loathsome as The Dotard is. Democracy has some real flaws but it beats the other systems.

    1. And you, being a pedophile and poster of kiddie porn, are more loathesome still.

  22. So much for freedom of association.
    I thought that was kind of a thing.

    1. That only applies to anti-gay wedding cake bakers.

      1. Hey wow you two should form a club for rapists of children and their fans. You know, since you are.

        1. So those of us that are not Trump Trash like yourself are all kiddie rapists? Why do you post such shit? Because you can’t reason at all?

          1. I post it because it’s true, and you admitted it.

            Womp Womp.

      2. Are you mad because they wouldn’t bake your wedding cake?

    2. “So much for freedom of association.”

      Whose freedom of association? The congressperson’s or the Israeli’s?

      I don’t know if the two Americans involved here actually want Israel wiped of the face of the earth or not, but it’s clear that their sponsors for this trip do. And the fact that the Americans couched this trip as them going to Palestine might be a signal. Should Trump have kept his fucking mouth shut? I wish he even knew how. But it’s hard to blame Israel for declining to let these two clowns come in and give legitimacy to the sponsor of this trip.

    3. Our of all possible arguments, you chose a retarded first Israel isnt covered by the 1A you ever loving retard. Second the freedom of association includes disassociating themselves from 2 anti semites being funded to travel by a group that supports blood libel and terrorism. Freedom of association isnt the freedom to go wherever the fuck you want.

      1. Well then it’s a good thing I didn’t mention the First Amendment, isn’t it?

        Where do you think rights come from? From the Constitution? Bzzt try again.

        Second the freedom of association includes disassociating themselves from 2 anti semites

        Were Omar & Tlaib going to be visiting Netanhayu? No? Oh okay then, so Netanyahu was already “disassociated” from them whether they came to Israel or not.

        Freedom of association isnt the freedom to go wherever the fuck you want.

        Then why don’t you explain to all of us peons here what freedom of association REALLY means. Hint: Don’t use the Constitution, because that’s not where rights come from.

        1. Well it starts with a private party in your head…

          You can’t ignore the constitution because those laws only applies to the US. But if you want to invoke some inalienable, God-given rights (which is valid) then you have to explain why private entity censorship also doesn’t violate those rights. This is the point where you’ll try to spin that as a private entity which isn’t bound by the constitution. And now you’re in a realm of self-contradictory reasoning that only an ends justify the means progressive can understand. So of course you do.

          1. “And now you’re in a realm of self-contradictory reasoning that only an ends justify the means progressive can understand.”

            The truly funny part is that he never saw it coming.

    4. Damn, there really isn’t a single leftist whose defense you won’t jump to, is there?

      Christ, Tlaib flat-out lied about wanting to visit her grandma for victim points, and then decided not to go when Bibi called her bluff. You really want to make an FOA argument here?

  23. Why can’t these congresspersons take a flight to Egypt and nip over to Gaza to visit some Palestinians? With the press in tow it would make some riveting footage.

  24. AIPAC condemned Israel’s action. AIPAC!

    I think Trump needs to get on with shooting someone on 5th Avenue so I can watch most of you defend it.

      1. No thank you. Watching people besoil themselves by humping the leg of the ugliest head of state this side of the Hapsburgs does not, in fact, get me off.

        1. No it’s for your tears, they’re everywhere.

          Lol Tony thinks tissues are only for when he gets jizz on his face lololo

          1. Yeah, see what I did there. Now why don’t you bring it up in your next 20,000 posts because you’re definitely not at the largely socially inept end of the autism spectrum.

    1. Trump and his running buddy, Epstein, raped a 13 year old and got away with it.

      1. Trump said “He likes them young” about Epstein like someone says “Bob sure likes his cocaine” after getting back from hanging out with Bob and doing a lot of cocaine with him.

      2. We get it, you’re jealous. You got caught.

      3. You need to put the buttplug in your mouth

        1. Trump’s always creeped around the Miss America backstage grabbing teens by their shorties and feeling them up according to contestants.

          1. You really need to stop stalking kids and touching them sexually and then projecting that perversion on others.

          2. Trump banned epstein from mar a lago. Bill rode the sexpress over twenty times.

            It’s tough to lose your heroes, but molesting an intern in the WH 20 years ago should have been your first clue.

  25. Since most Arab countries are human rights hell holes where Jews, not just Zionists are banned, I’m glad they banned those two congressional idiots. BTW, how are they helping the people in their districts in NYC and MN by going to Israel?

  26. There are arguments on both sides of the controversy. On the one hand, one can let these pigs come in and bitch; on the other hand, it is illegal in Israel to support the bds Nazi boycott my Rhoemiute buddies love so much. Morale is vital to a country and having some antisemites bitch and whine while in the country where the people of Israel can hear them directly would not be good for Israeli morale. Ban them and make them martyrs? You guys have been watching too many “Age of Ultron” movies. The real world is a bit diffirent. Congressmen Talib and Omar will always hate Jews and wish foir their slaughter — just like you guys. I say keep them out. And POTUS has reasons to want to restrict their travel and hurt them.

    There’s no need to fear. Underzog is here.
    The Troll Song

    1. Long time no see, undie.

    2. How was the lock-up?

      1. Are you asking for a friend?

  27. Netahyahu is simply helping these Congresswomen keep their boycott pledge. It’s like a buddy reminding you to stay on your diet.

    They don’t want to put money in the Israeli economy. Yet that’s what they’d end up doing if they visited the country. So Netanyahu takes away the temptation.

    Win/win.

    1. p,s, As far as I am concerned.Rep. Talib screwed up the congressmen’s efff Israel message. Rep. Talib requested a humanitarian gesture to let her in to visit her granny. Israel granted that, then Rep. Tallib decided not to go to Israel after Israel granted the humanitarian gesture to let her in. These two antisemitic congressmen are correctly seen merely as obstructionist pricks or vaginas in their case. The only reason these two antisemites wanted to go to Israel was to cause trouble. It could be argues those two congressmen scored a diplomatic coup by getting Israel to ban them, but this was completely nullified by tricking Israel into letting one of them in and then backing out of her plan to visit her granny.By exposing themselves are merely obstructionist, tricksters and liars, they negated their joos suck message, at least for a little while.

  28. And while I can’t read Netanyahu’s mind, maybe he thinks he’ll be doing Trump a favor by confirming that, yes, these clowns actually are Jew-baiters, Trump didn’t just make that up.

  29. Democrats are now falling all over themselves condemning Israel and preparing votes in retaliation. I wonder what that will do to the Jewish vote.

    1. Well golly – The JTA has already compiled a list of which orgs are supporting v criticizing Israels’ decision:

      Supporting Netanyahu/Trump:
      Republican Jewish Coalition (not sure their votes were in question)
      Zionist Organization of America

      Criticizing Netanyahu/Trump:
      AIPAC
      Jewish Federations of America
      Simon Wiesenthal Center
      American Jewish Committee
      Anti-Defamation League
      Jewish Democratic Council of America (I assume this is the D equivalent of the R above)
      Israel Policy Forum
      J Street

      Doesn’t look really close does it.

      1. So – Jewish Republicans vs. Jewish Democrats?

        And the Jewish Democrats outnumber the Jewish Republicans? How unexpected!

        I can’t really think offhand of what the Dems could possibly do to drive away their Jewish support. Even if the Dems nuked Israel, many Jewish Dems would think of a way to explain how Israel was asking for it.

        1. I can’t really think offhand of what the Dems could possibly do to drive away their Jewish support. Even if the Dems nuked Israel, many Jewish Dems would think of a way to explain how Israel was asking for it.

          Probably. But many would not. Likewise, many would start having second thoughts if Congressional Democrats start questioning military aid and collaboration with Israel.

      2. The question isn’t who favors/opposes Israel’s decision; it’s easy and without consequences to virtue signal by opposing it.

        The question is what the Jewish vote will do if congressional Democrats are foolish enough to retaliate, e.g., by cutting military aid or contracts.

  30. If two people had just spent that past year talking shit about my house and my family I sure as shit wouldn’t be letting them step foot on my property.
    I’m no fan of Israel but they had every right to bar these two clowns.

    1. Seriously. Israel is the only nation in world history to be attacked, win only to have a world system demand they give back gained spoils of victory.

      Er no. How about don’t attack? Or if you do, have the intelligence to know if you can beat your opponent. You don’t take that risk, get your ass handed to you and then scream, ‘no fair!’

      No wonder lefties love Palestine. It’s a cult of losers.

  31. Square = Circle
    August.15.2019 at 6:17 pm
    “…People react to you the way they do because you frustrate them in your refusal to see your own self-contradictions and blind spots.”
    You are too kind:
    We have turd, the lefty loser with daddy issues, and what seems to be coke and kiddie porn habits who posts nothing but lies here.
    And the embittered gay drunk who edits the “Dog Walkers Weekly” or some such for a gated compound in fly-over country doing the same.
    To both of you: You are welcome to your habits, whatever they may be, but don’t bother assuming the rest of us don’t notice ‘diminished capacity’.
    Oh, and please, both of you, Hihn, and the asshole bigot; go far away and die where decent people won’t be bothered by your stench.

  32. Ann Applebaum, “Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe, 1944-1956”
    Get it and read it.
    The intro alone will forever lay waste to the fantasy that Hitler’s Nazis and the Soviet commies were anything like polar opposites.
    Hitler was neck-and-neck with Lenin; had he had the time before he stupidly started a war he couldn’t possibly win (“Wages of Destruction”, Tooze), he’d have trod the same path to collectivization and final failure.
    Probably the Germans came out better than the Soviets courtesy WWII; Lenin and Stalin’s record of mass murder makes Hitler seem a piker.

  33. I can only imagine the outrage if the US barred duly elected members of the Israeli Knesset from entering

    https://www.jta.org/2019/02/25/opinion/israels-far-right-otzma-party-is-dangerous-i-know-because-i-banned-its-leader-from-the-united-states

    1. That’s different. Because reasons.

  34. All these people from Trump to the author of this article have an opinion but the right answer is Israel as a sovereign nation has every right to make their own decision. Banning 2 people that support a movement that wants their nation to no longer exist is hardly a radical stance whether you agree with it or not.

    1. It’s facile.

  35. How about we just ban Billy Binion from posting articles on Reason? They suck.

  36. It’s a little more than just criticism. They believe in the destruction of a nation-state.

    Israel is in a unique position in world affairs. Just stating they what they *should* do from afar is to engage in empty rhetoric.

    Those two reprehensible clowns support BDS and they know damn well what that entails at the end of the line. The destruction of Israel.

    So excuse me if I have no problem with Israel calling out their little propaganda play.

    It’s worth noting the UK denied entry into their country Lauren Southern. Just let that sink in.

  37. something something, you have the right to free speech, but you aren’t free from the consequences of that speech.

    Or does that only come into play if you’re a conservative?

    Omar and friends can go fuck themselves.

    1. Poor sad little victims, you conservatives.

      1. I’m not one, I just see what the lunatic left says and how they’ve spent the last 15 years treating anyone who disagrees with them. But hey, keep proving Square = Circle and the rest right about how stupid you are with your slack-jawed gibbering.

        1. It’s not that we’re right about everything, it’s that conservatives decided to stop thinking about shit and identify themselves solely as anti-leftists.

          Well, since leftists happen to believe in facts and science, that makes conservatives wrong about an embarrassing quantity of shit. And I don’t understand why that’s my fault.

          1. #Resist

            Sorry, what were you saying about mindless opposition?

            And it’s rich for a mindless death cult to talk about science.

            1. Koch Enterprises prefers to be called a heroic Randian exemplar of perfect capitalism, not a mindless death cult.

          2. Like how leftists have identified themselves as anti-white and engage in insufferable identity politics?

            Apparently, in Tony Clown World ACME Inc. conservatives (ie every sane person not infected by left-wing viruses) have to just shut up and take it.

            Just like how these two cunts can engage in pathetic anti-Semitism and still expect Israel to take it.

            1. I remember when I could come here and not get white racial resentment in every single thread.

          3. “Well, since leftists happen to believe in facts and science”

            LOL. Actual non-conservative scientist here. This line may be the winner for the most insipid piece of partisan stupidity I’ve seen posted on the internet this week. The competition was strong, but somehow you came through. You’re delusional – truly delusional – if you think that the left gives any shits at all about science.

            By the way, your girl Talib got approved to go visit her grandma in Israel and loudly declined the approval. Those two never intended to go at all. It was all just stupid political theater, and you got totally taken in by it.

            1. Let’s get one thing straight. It is not a happy bonus for a political party on planet Earth to accept scientific reality. The Republican party’s rejection of science is unique. It is more extreme than any Sharia government. More than North Korea’s. It would be completely outrageous beyond measure even if it didn’t place the future of the human species in jeopardy.

              Fuck your false equivalence pseudo-I’m-a-smartypants horseshit. We have serious problems, and we need serious people to solve them.

          4. Liberals: “We’re the party of science!”

            Also Liberals: “Our feelings are more important than your facts!”
            *Ignores all previous attempts at communism, confident that THIS time it will work*
            *Pulls statistics out of their ass for all things gun-related*
            *Believes antivaxxing is a viable alternative*
            *Repeatedly predicts the end of the world via global warming, and is wrong every time due to bad science. At least Christians only tend to fall for End Times cults once.*

            Not to mention what all the other guys said. Say what you will about Conservatives (and I can say a lot) but they don’t try to claim to be the smartest people in the room while proving that they have the lowest IQs. Sweet Satan’s doll collection Tony, every breath you take is just a stunning endorsement of abortion, isn’t it?

            1. Nobody in America is a communist who isn’t also a schizophrenic. Whom are you trying to convince of what with this nonsense?

              Look up the gun death statistics yourself if you’re interested in having an informed conversation.

              Antivax your dick. What the fuck are you talking about?

              Yeah the world only has to end once. In fact, it has no choice but to end only once.

              You people are awfully unpleasant to be such optimists in the face of scientific reality. Is it that you’re illiterate?

  38. Tlaib and Omar are both critics of Israel

    Critics of “Israel”, eh? Critics of Israel, wink, wink say-no-more? I getcha

    who support the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction (BDS)movement

    Into ‘BDS’, eh? Really ‘supports’ it, eh?

    which seeks to punish the country

    Wants to punish the ‘country’–that’s right, ‘the country’

    Wink, wink, say no more.

    Ever.

    1. *feigns ignorance* why Azathoth, whatever are you on about?

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