Mass Shootings

Authoritarian Rulers Mobilize Private Violence To Advance Their Goals

Trump's incendiary rhetoric and selective law enforcement is encouraging anti-immigrant violence.

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Authoritarian figures rarely rely on state power alone to accomplish their draconian ends. They often also mobilize the very thing that legitimate rulers are supposed to stop: private violence. That is part of how the Jim Crow South maintained its regime of racial apartheid after the abolition of slavery limited the scope of formal state action. And now President Donald Trump is dipping into that ignominious tradition to activate the white nationalists in his base to advance his border control objectives.

Trump did not pull the trigger in the El Paso carnage that killed 22 people and counting, but it's hard to deny that he has helped foment the atmosphere in which the trigger was pulled. Trump kicked off his presidential run by calling Mexicans rapists and criminals, of course. And in his rallies he teasingly encouraged his supporters to "rough up" dissenters who protested his incendiary rhetoric. Far from cooling such language after getting elected, he ramped it up. He has repeatedly referred to immigrants as an infestation and painted a lurid picture of an out-of-control southern border under attack by "invaders" that border patrol agents are powerless to stop because, as he laments, "we can't let them [the agents] use weapons." As New York's Eric Levitz points out, the unmistakable message to "trigger happy patriots" in all of this is that "we can't use weapons" but "perhaps you should."

That, of course, is precisely what the 21-year-old El Paso shooter, who reportedly wrote a manifesto that billed his attack as a "response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas," did. Although he took matters much further than Trump intended with his inflammatory rhetoric, the same cannot be said for border militias steeped in white supremacist ideology that have increasingly been doing for Trump what Trump can't do for himself.

For months now a slew of paramilitary outfits in border states have taken it upon themselves to patrol the southern border more aggressively than the government, constrained by due process and other concerns, can. "Having the most powerful person on Earth echo their hateful views may even give extremists a sense of impunity," points out Louisiana State University's Nathan P. Kalmoe.

Indeed, after Trump stoked fears of the Central American migrant caravan before the November midterms, about 100 volunteers from the Texas Minutemen, draped in camouflage suits, night-vision goggles, aerial drones, and semiautomatic weapons, holed up along the Rio Grande and conducted night vigils to supplement the border patrol. Meanwhile, the Arizona Border Recon, founded eight years ago by the notorious army veteran Tim Foley, has ramped up its raids in the Sasabe desert in search of drugs and border crossers over the last two years. And then there is New Mexico–based United Constitutional Patriots (UCP). It started patrolling the New Mexico border in February 2018 and videotaping its encounters with migrants. By its estimates, it has apprehended some 3,000 border crossers.

In one particularly egregious episode in April whose video the group brazenly circulated on social media to gain recruits, its "patriots" held 300 terrified asylum seekers—men, women, and toddlers—on their knees at gunpoint.

This was tantamount to an illegal hostage taking, and the backlash finally prompted the arrest of its leader—though not for holding up the migrants at gunpoint, but for impersonating a federal agent. The U.S. Customs and Border Patrol issued a pro-forma disclaimer declaring that it "does not endorse" enforcement action by private groups. But if that's the case, asks the ACLU's Peter Simonson, how does the agency explain photos of two border patrol agents on horseback posing on either side of masked vigilantes? "All indications are that they had a collaborative relationship with UCP and never told the vigilantes to cease and desist, even though the vigilantes were dressed up to impersonate BP officers, badges and all," he notes.

Even more shockingly, such actions have not made the group too radioactive for Trump and his allies. Indeed, notes Simonson, UCP is now working closely with We Build the Wall, an organization founded by Trump's former ultra-nationalist advisors, Steve Bannon and Krish Kobach. We Build the Wall's mission is to raise private funds to build Trump's wall. A few months ago, without obtaining any permits, it erected a short wall on private land on New Mexico's southern border and then illegally extended it across a federal road. The ACLU is challenging the extension, notes Simonson.

In the name of enforcing the law, these vigilante groups are breaking the law at every turn. Yet instead of facing the wrath of the administration, they are making friends in the highest circles; Bannon, after all, was the architect of Trump's America First campaign and served in the White House, while Kobach headed his voter fraud commission and was a serious contender as Trump's immigration czar.

By contrast, migrants who cross the border without proper authorization, a mere misdemeanor the first time around, are having their babies snatched from them under Trump's zero tolerance border policies, a practice that has continued even after a court order barred it. At the same time, the administration is cracking down on the sanctuary movement. Immigration activists such as Arizona State University's Scott Warren are being slapped with anti-harboring charges that carry a 20-year prison sentence merely for offering food and first aid to those crossing the harsh desert. Even advocates who merely speak out on behalf of the migrants aren't being spared.

All of this is reminiscent not in scale but in kind of the Jim Crow era, when southern states (and some northern ones) relied partly on unofficial private actors rather than official government channels to enforce its ideology of apartheid, allowing the white establishment to perpetrate the worst atrocities with impunity. Indeed, between 1877 and 1950, blacks suffered 4,000 documented incidents of extrajudicial lynchings for everything ranging from unproven accusations of sexual assault to speaking disrespectfully to a white man. In one case, a white mob in Blakely, Georgia, lynched a black World War I army veteran just because he refused to take off his uniform.

Even as whites went scot-free for these unspeakable crimes, blacks faced harsh punishment for minor crimes such as violating anti-vagary laws that criminalized black unemployment in order to keep blacks working for whites. In other words, the state systematically perverted the rule of law so that a combination of state action and private actors could keep blacks under its thumb.

America isn't the only country where this kind of thing has happened. To this day, Indian authorities rely on actual and tacit private violence to perpetuate the caste system. But America is supposed to be the country most dedicated to equality under the law. It is therefore distressing that Trump is violating that dedication by uncorking private movements and personal demons to further border objectives that he can't openly promote through legitimate state means.

Of course the El Paso shooter is facing the full brunt of the law and is being treated like a domestic terrorist. But the fact that it took Trump two days to condemn him for his sick ideology signals to his ilk that while man's law might be against them, higher law is with them, exactly as was happening under Jim Crow. Unless Trump fundamentally changes course, no one should be shocked at more vigilante action and El Paso–style shootings as his most militant supporters take his inflammatory rhetoric literally.

A version of this column originally appeared in The Week.

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  1. That is part of how the Jim Crow South maintained its regime of racial apartheid after the abolition of slavery limited the scope of formal state action.

    Another part, still with us … they replaced federalism with the KKK’s perverse “states rights’ — that states have powers never delegated, and in violation of the 9th Amendment … no checks and balances between THREE CO-EQUAL BRANCHES. …

    … Thus SCOTUS has no legitimate power to defend our rights from abuse by the executive and legislative branches … thereby leaving us defenseless from government power … (but only for niggers and faggots.)

    See Little Rock Arkansas, 1957, when President Eisenhower sent armed troops to defend the rights of 9 schoolkids … because Governor Faubus had mobilized his state militia, the use of armed force, to keep those kids from registering at Central High.

    Fa

    1. cont’d

      Faubus caved, later defending his actions as defending his state from what is now called “unelected judges, inventing laws” …. fuck the 9th Amendment.

      More recently, a shameful bill that would have forbidden SCOTUS to even consider any challenges to DOMA …. faggots were the first group denied defense of their Constitutional rights since …. niggers (before emancipation)

      When that obscenity failed, its was later claimed that “rogue judges” had abused power they never had, and reinvented marriage, against the Will of Almighty God.

      Marriage was not a religious sacrament until 1500 years after the death of Christ. Orval Faubus still walks among us.

      But instead of Eisenhower, we have a leader who shamelessly lied that the “alt-left” had charged peaceful people, beating them with clubs. It was this President’s beloved neo-nazis and racists who launched that assault, violent clubs to beat unarmed victims, who were peaceful standing there … as proven by video accounts.

      Make no mistake. That was the moral equivalent of a President defending “fine people” in the KKK, who only hung niggers … in self-defense.

      1. Fuck off hihn

        1. WHY IS Nardz DEFENDING VICIOUS ASSAULTS BY NAZIS AND RACISTS? A SHAMELESS co-conspirator in violence and death.

          LIBERTY CANNOT BE SILENCED BY CYBER-BULLIES … NOT EVEN BY HERR TRUMP, WITH ALL HIS POWER. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
          What little remains.

    2. Um, maybe you should actually read the 9th and 10th amendments? I think you got the position of the federal government and states backwards.

      1. Oh, it’s you. A typical blinder by the authoritarian right!
        You have confused unenumerated POWERS (10th) with unenumerated RIGHTS (9th)

        You have proven my point about the Authoritarian Right … by claiming government power is NOT delegated by people with RIGHTS … and that state power is SUPERIOR to rights. WE describe the 9th as “the libertarian amendment” – which incorporates the Declaration’s unalienable rights. Now, YOU read them!

        9A
        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

        What are they? NAME those rights, which CANNOT be denied or disparaged by ANY level of government. Show us your stuff.!

        10A
        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

        That includes powers like … speed limits, deed recording, driver licenses ,,,, which is WHY we define FUNDAMENTAL rights to distinguish them.

        And WHY the 9th precedes the 10th. The power to set speed limits can be established by law. Any power to deny or disparage fundamental rights REQUIRES a constitutional amendment … as we were taught in high school.

        I eagerly await your list of those unalienable rights, aka fundamental rights, that NO level of government may deny or disparage. tick … tick … tick

        Anything else I can teach you?.

        1. Yeah, you can teach us how to fuck off, Hihn.

          1. Thank you, Sevo, for again revealing your contempt for individual liberty … EVEN HATING JEFFERSON’S DELEGATED RIGHTS …to defend the statist blunder from your “comrade” on the Authoritarian Right!

            But you spelled it wrong!

            It’s f .. u .. c .. k……..U … P.

            And you need NO training!
            You’re ALREADY world-class

            (They travel in pack , like wild dogs. Any more in today’s pack?)

            1. Fuck off, Hihn.

              1. +100

        2. People who have to put their comments in bold need to de-caffinate and get a life. If you can’t simply state your ideas calmly (both sides of this thread) then you need to go learn logic, psychological differentiation and courtesy. The fact that both sides of this thread started throwing profanity and ad hominem arguments shows that none of this is worthy of a magazine entitled “Reason”.

          1. Neither are the articles

          2. The boldface is for ridicule, so that nobody misses it.
            Like when people obsess with the type face, as cowards who LOSE and FAIL to deal with ANY actual issues. It’s called “Shoot the Messenger,” a special type of REVENGE assault, by those authoritarian bullies who atre also driven by hatred, on top of the power lust. AKA goobers.

            They HATE the message.
            The CANNOT refute it, OR the sources always provided.
            So they … “Shoot the Messenger”
            Then, like a pack of wild dogs, they high-five each other, for “good ones.”

            See, 80-90% of those who read forums and comments, never comment. Most are shy. Many are afraid of being assaulted. It doesn’t take a genius to see the assaults are INTENDED to punish or suppress differing views, to drive people away. And it’s worked.

            The lowest extremes, both left and right do it. And each side of goobers screeches that only the other side suppresses and attacks differing views. Denial. But more often part of their brainwashing by political elites. Of the lower classes.

            This has been devastating to libertarianism, to the extent that 91% of libertarians — roughly half of all Americans — refuse to be LABELED as libertarian. (Cato survey) Which is what the assholes (here) want. What they are attacking is liberty itself — the greatest threat to their power lust, for state control.

            ***So as they scan down the page, my function is to SHOUT (bold), “LOOK HERE, LIBERTARIANS ARE NOT FOUL-MOUTH BULLIES AND THUGS. Libertarians have always defended liberty, by taking on the POWER ELITES and their robotic drones

            I get 3 or 4 new email contacts per week, thanking me for speaking out. Many of them join my blog, a little over 500 so far, discussing how to defend liberty from such egregious verbal assault. We all publish links to our comments. against the slavers both left and right, and share our views . When I’m not here for weeks at a time, I may be at Slate, HuffPost or Daily Kos. But the authoritarian RIGHT has always been the worst, from the Inquisition in Europe to witchcraft trials here, and to the new fascism that arose in Charlottesville,

            In Nazi Germany, Hitler’s Brownshirts stalked public venues, PHYSICALLY assaulting critics of nazi fascism. Brownshirts were NOT government. Left-wing oppression is almost always by the state, not nasty, vicious power lusters in the private sector..

            In the age of the Internet, today’s Brownshirts use cyber-terrorism, but with the same mentality as the physical beatings in Nazi Germany.

            That’s why THIS is bold.. Your childish taunts keep proving my point, to those who perhaps cannot address the aggressors and bullies themselves. In other words, I’m not talking TO you. I’m engaging the seekers.

            (If you came here on a link from my blog. This is today’s discussion topic in the “liberty forum.” Feel free to speak your mind, to agree or disagree, whatever. You are safe there from punishment and thuggery. Share YOUR views. Ours is just one small part of the Liberty Resurrection.)

            Semper Fi)

          3. Behold the Trumpster mentality!

            The fact that both sides of this thread started

            Trump trains then well. This is EXACTLY like Trump’s PSYCHO LIE at Charlottesville … as described in the first two comments here, linked to UNDENIABLE PROOF that Trump LIED to defend the most hate-filled Americans.

            The proof here is MUCH easier, literally self-evident.

            Despite Wayne’s self-righteous BULLSHIT … SOMEBODY ALWAYS GOES FIRST. (sneer)

            Guess why both Wayne and Trump were COMPELLED to state such blatantly self-righteous LIES on who that was!.

            KEEP making my day!!

            1. Did you remember to add me to your enemies list you stupid bitch?

              1. Did you remember to add me to your enemies list you stupid bitch?

                (SNEER)
                Brain-Retarded PSYCHO has FORGOTTEN that he BRAGGED about
                being on a list he FUCKING LIES about … on the page … in this latest ACT of cyber-terrorism threats

                iChace, since we know where he lives and who he is …. He does have that crazy website too where he has us all on his enemies list

                IT’S NOT AN ENEMIES LIST

                http://libertyissues.com/reason2.htm

                ROGUES GALLERY — REASON THUGS
                This page was created because it’s easier for me than constantly reposting PROOF that these goobers’ non-stop assaults and aggression are …. bat-shit crazy … as they scurry around like cockroaches.

                The Authoritarian Right has always hated libertarians
                fiscal responsibility and social tolerance for a half-century

                Archive of my published writing on Taxes, Health Care and New Federalism

                ***The Sickest of the Sick Fucks … NOW say this is my “enemies” list, making me the aggressor … instead of them. Cyber-bullies be TOTAL psychos! Because my link to this page also exposes THAT mental affliction.

                HE HAS SEEN his PSYCHO BULLSHIT on an “enemies list ” … exposed over a year ago.
                Consumed but THIS much RAGE and HATRED, he is now TOTALLY out of control.
                So WHY does Reason defend and protect such MASSIVE violation of NON-AGGRESSION ,… despite dozens of abuse complaints… for over a year?
                Why do I take screenshots every half-hour … OPENLY challenging Reason to DELETE ME AGAIN … providing ABSOLUTE proof of reason.com’s SHAMELESS coddling of far-right aggression, stalking and thuggery … by DOZENS of these a-holes.

                I will put a stop to this, once and for all.
                John Galt (Atlas Shrugged)

  2. Case of White Supremacist Derangement Syndrome (WSDS). How are things going in Kashmir?

    1. Yeah, why Trump was “elected” … by what he calls a “record-breaking Electoral margin” …. 39,000 voters! … MUCH too large to have been influenced by Russia and Wikileaks. (stifles loud laughter)

      1. Poor Hihn

        1. Poor Hihn

          Says the shameless welfare mooch, hateconstitution1789

          Behold the Self-Righteous Hypocrisy of loveconstitution1789 …. slurping at the gummint teat! Says HIS FATHER is selfish as shit. … Why? …. HE’S ENTITLED

          <a href="https://reason.com/2018/02/18/a-cure-for-mass-shootings-doesnt-exist/#comment-7141520

          lc1789
          My retired father loves politics and we often discuss the nature of things.

          I cannot get him to openly discuss social security and medicare reform with cuts. He is just hoping to check out before our debt crushes the USA. Its selfish as shit.

          TROLL says more crushing debt is okay .. if it lines HIS pocket!
          Insults HIS OWN FATHER, “selfish as shit” … DEFENDS his own teat-sucking (OMG)

          WHINES that a multi-trillion debt increase is “giving my own money back ” … FROM WHERE, GOOBER???

          BY STEALING FROM HIS OWN CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN .

          What kind of fiscal conservative DENIES that federal debt steals from our future … from their own children? … WITHOUT THEIR VOTE!

          Brainwashed Republican goobers … as DANGEROUS as … brainwashed Bernie goobers

          HE’D CUT HIS FATHER’S BENEFITS .. AND STEAL FROM HIS OWN KIDS … TO INCREASE HIS CASH, BECAUSE … HE’S “ENTITLED.” …. a self-righteous MOOCH

          The left borrows trillions for free stuff
          The right borrows trillions for free tax cuts
          Two sides of the same statist coin.

          Left – Right = Zero

          Will this “trigger” the precious snowflake again?

          1. My retired father loves politics and we often discuss the nature of things.

            I cannot get him to openly discuss social security and medicare reform with cuts. He is just hoping to check out before our debt crushes the USA. Its selfish as shit.

            reason, Hihn the bot, used this exact quote over and over.
            You seemed to have banned Hihn, yet let his sock violate your ban.

            1. EXPOSE A FRAUD … GET A WHINY PUSSY … WHO ADMITS HE’S A FUCKING CENSOR-THUG … HATECONSTUTUTION1789

              Will this “trigger” the precious snowflake again?

              YESSS … EVEN CRAZIER!

              reason, Hihn the bot, used this exact quote over and over.

              ROFLMAO … OVER AND OVER … IN SELF DEFENSE … OF YOUR UNPROVOKED ASSAULTS, OVER AND OVER!!

              PROOF .. IN YOUR OWN WORDS YOU ARE A MASSIVE, MORAL HYPOCRITE AND FRAUD …. CALLING YOUR FATHER A SELFISH SHIT FOR DEFENDING HIS SOCIAL SECURITY … WHILE YOU DEFEND SUCKING ON THE TEAT BECAUSE …. **YOU** ARE ENTITLED???

              ****PAY ATTENTION MOOCH.
              YOUR FATHER PAID FOR HIS SOCIAL SECURITY. NOT THE BEST WAY, BUT PAID.
              YOURS IS STOLEN FROM YOUR OWN CHILDREN, BY DEMANDING DEBT TO FILL YOUR POCKET …. WHAT A DISGRACE TO THE CONSTITUTION YOU CLAIM TO LOVE … WHAT A SHAMEFUL FRAUD.

              Now AGAIN you defend FUCKING your own father .. to line your own pocket ….A REPUBLICAN WELFARE QUEEN! …FAR WORSE THAN EVEN SANDERS AND WARREN.

              EVEN WORSE SLIME ….
              <BLOCKQUOTE you seemed to have banned Hihn, yet let his sock violate yourban.

              THE ENTITLEMENT QUEEN WANTS PEOPLE BANNED FOR … SELF-DEFENSE FROM HIS ASSAULTS
              ****THIS ONE, BY YOU, GOES DIRECTLY TO GILLESPIE AND THE FOUNDATION BOARD. Yesssssssssssss

              AS DESCRIBED ELSEWHERE ON THIS BOARD … I HAVE SCREENSHOT THE ENTIRE PAGE EVERY HALF HOUR … IF THEY DARE PUNISH ME AGAIN … FOR DEFENDING LIBERTY … WHILE EXPLICITLY DEFENDING AGGRESSION …. I WILL HANG THEM OUT TO DRY …. TO GILLESPIE, TO THE FOUNDATION BOARD AND OP-EDS TO MAJOR PRINT AND BROADCAST MEDIA.

              I ALREADY HAVE 17 DIFFERENT WEB PAGES PAGES OF PROOF, BUT HAVE ONLY NOW STATED MY DEFENSE,. THEY ARE ENTITLED TO KNOW THE RISK. I AM NOT THE BULLY HERE

              PLEASE…. Make my day AGAIN

      2. 39000 would be quite the record indeed, since there are 538 electors….

        1. 39000 would be quite the record indeed, since there are 538 electors….

          He said VOTERS, not electors. So you know what electors are …. BUT NOT VOTERS!!!!!

          THIS is Trump’s base!!!!

          39,000 voters in 3 state combined … TRUMP CALLS THAT A RECORD. YOU SWALLOWED IT … then screwed up elementary-school math facts!!

          How much influence did was needed to flip 39,000 voters by Russia, Wikileaks and Comey?

          Anything else?

          “Another one bites …. another one bites … another one bites the dust

      3. Putin is a leftist totalitarian shitbag, just as you aspire. Except you are an impotent troglodyte that sees the contents of his soiled diapers as ‘snack’.

        1. No Trump has NOT unleashed the Raging Hatred of psychos!! (SNEER)

          Last of the Shitlords
          Putin is a leftist totalitarian shitbag, just as you aspire. Except you are an impotent troglodyte that sees the contents of his soiled diapers as ‘snack’.

          GIVE US MORE PROOF, TRUMPTARDS!!!

          (Posted in self-defense of non-stop, repeated aggressions by a stalking cyber-terrorist … for well over a year … defended and succored by Reason
          “Non-Aggression Principle? Never heard of it))

    2. ummmm. Ghost of the Highway … errrrr

      Check FR’s link to PROOF that Trump is a psychopathic liar, defending brutal violence by his neo-nazi and racist supporters
      https://reason.com/2019/08/11/authoritarian-rulers-mobilize-private-violence-to-advance-their-goals/#comment-7890045

      Which also proves “Ghost on the Highway” is the deranged one!
      The inevitable consequence of being a manipulated tool of the political class. .

      I’m curious, GoH were you a marcher in Charlottesville? If yes, we already know for which side.

      1. Fuck off, Hihn.

      2. Good people n both sides

        1. Indeed there are.

          1. Trump’s DRONES are comforting each other … by reciting Trump’s OUTRAGEOUS LIE, fed into their enslaved minds … LIES as PROVEN in the first two comments here, linked to UNDENIABLE VIDEO PROOF.

            Ghost on the Highway
            Good people on both sides

            Last of the Shitlords
            Indeed there are

            .Their blind loyalty to their thuggish leader has DEBASED THEIR VERY SOULS … AS THEY TOO DEFEND THE OUTRAGEOUS AND VICIOUS ASSAULTS, BY CLUB-SWINGING NAZIS AND RACISTS … AGAINST PEACEFUL AND TOTALLY HELPLESS PEOPLE, STANDING QUIETLY.

            WHAT KIND OF FUCKING SCUM ATTACKS DEFENSELESS VICTIMS … WEARING NAZI HELMETS … CARRYING POLICE-STYLE RIOT SHIELDS … AND BEATING THEIR VICTIMS WITH CLUBS.

            AND WHAT CAN BE BE A GREATER MORAL ATROCITY THAN TO DEFEND NAZI AND RACIST VIOLENCE … AS PRESIDENT, OR AS A DUTIFUL SUPPLICANT?

            IN AN EARLIER DAY, THIS WAS THE MENTALITY THAT LYNCHED NIGGERS (/sarc)

            DARE TO SEE THE PROOF … OR BE A CO-CONSPIRATOR WITH NAZIS AND THE KKK … and the Orange Fuhrer.

            Two-part post above

    3. The inconvenient truth about the El Paso shooter

      Quote:
      Who wrote ‘Our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country … creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over-harvesting resources … the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable’?

      The answer, if media reports are accurate, is Patrick Crusius, the man accused of the El Paso massacre. The words appeared in his testament, entitled (in homage to Al Gore?) The Inconvenient Truth, which he seems to have put online before decreasing the number of people in America by 22.

      This week’s reporting has painted Crusius as a white supremacist. This does not seem to be accurate. In his manifesto, he is against ethnic mingling and mass immigration, but his view that immigrants should be killed is based not on racial superiority theory, but on his sense that too many people pollute the environment of America. He despairs of persuading his fellow Americans to change their consumerist lifestyles, so he decides to attack the ‘invaders’ instead.

      1. …. from a right-wing wacko web site. (lol) They never change

        PROOF of Trump’s lies to defend neo-nazi and racist vicious assaults in Charlottesville … plus one cold-blooded murder. The story is in the first two comments here, with a link to UNDENIABLE proof.

        1. Hihn, we know where you love and who you are. We’re going to get some guys to come for you and lock you up in a padded cell. There you will be drugged into oblivion.

          Although you will be free to mumble your incoherent bullshit through a drug induced stupor.

        2. TheLibertyTruthTeller
          August.11.2019 at 3:34 pm

          …. from a right-wing wacko web site. (lol) They never change

          “”When they LOSE on the message .. SHOOT THE MESSENGER””
          ThelibertyTruthTeller.

          1. LIAR hides behind a link
            LIBERTARIAN exposes his latest con

            The site is spectator.us

            1) Visit the site to expose the latests bullshit by KevinP and the aptly named, TrickyVic.

            2) Or, much easier, the .us tells you how IRRELEVANT they are. (smirk) They can’t even afford a .com!

            Need more? Website traffic data

            https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/spectator.us

            Rank 61,070

            Bounce rate: 87% (a single page view. Sees nothing of further interest. Combine with time on site)

            Time on site (avg) 0:02:16 two minutes and 15 seconds. which says the vast majority don’t even finish the one page they saw (the average offset “fan” times that typically average well over 10 minutes for a “news” related site.).
            Site links. Only 44 other sites link to them, versus an average 2,591 links to competitive sites.

            ‘When they LOSE on the message .. SHOOT THE MESSENGER””

            As YOU just did
            Learn to deal with your compulsion to attack, on tribalism instead of facts. Cut your losses.

      2. They are not mutually exclusive. The Nazi Volkish movement which is still around today stressed ethnic nationalism and connection Of the people (Volk) to the land with outsiders considered invaders. They had a romantic ideal of returning to nature, environmentalism, clean foods and farming and so on.

        Remember that Hitler was a strict vegetarian who never smoked nor drank. He promoted outdoor activities, sports, and healthy living. He despised the decadent habits of some of those around him even if he tolerated them to some extent.

      3. This week’s reporting has painted Crusius as a white supremacist. This does not seem to be accurate. In his manifesto, he is against ethnic mingling

        Because white’s are inferior?

        Wrong on the reporting, which has been overwhelmingly white NATIONALIST,
        which IS what you describe him as. White nationalists oppose immigration for reasons of race mingling. diluting white dominance, not superiority per se

        This link is the search RESULTS for his name and white nationalist
        230 million entries 7,600% of the 3 million for him as a white supremacist

        https://www.bing.com/search?q=Crusius+white+nationalits&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN

        (I’m not sure that’s the correct way to provide a results link. That’s on Chrome as text. I used that exact link on firefox, and it changed the ending to CONORG ????)

        This also aligns with that portion of Trump’s base which is racist.

        So yes, he’s not a white supremacists BECAUSE he’s a white nationalist. Not sure what relevance that has.

        1. Crusius is the end-point of far-left ideology, which continually obsesses about group membership, especially race. Surprise, when you convince a man that group membership is all that matters, he wants his group to come out on top!

  3. Like most that have Trump Derangement Syndrome, another Reason writer forgets to check the facts of their assertions. What I have learned from the Trump presidency is that Libertarians are just silly little brainless Democrats. Read the guys manifesto idiot it may enlighten your small mindedness.

    1. Fact remains: the only conceivable reason for an article by Shecky Dullmia is Reason’s desire for moar clickbait.

    2. See this comment …
      https://reason.com/2019/08/11/authoritarian-rulers-mobilize-private-violence-to-advance-their-goals/#comment-7890045
      a link there has UNDENIABLE PROOF that you are a CO-CONSPIRATOR with a pathological President … who LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH …. to DEFEND vicious assault … by his neo-nazi and racist supporters … INCLUDING COLD-BLOODED MURDER.

      Do you also share his total lack of conscience or shame?

      (vomit)

    3. Like most that have Trump Derangement Syndrome, another Reason writer forgets to check the facts of their assertions

      PROVE YOUR FACTS TRUMPTARD (sneer)

      Wait long enough and they ALWAYS humiliate themselves!!! … like their equivalent puppets on the left … both dancing on a string of the political elite.

    4. reason staff are NOT Libertarians.

      1. Only the members of Libertarians For Tariffs are libertarians.

        And members of Libertarians For Big-Government Micromanagement of Ladyparts Clinics.

        Oh, and members of Libertarians For Authoritarian, Bigoted Immigration Practices.

        Well, and Libertarians For Torture, Endless Detention Without Trial, And The Death Penalty.

        And, of course, Libertarians For Statist Womb Management.

        And, obviously, Libertarians For Trump. And Cruz. And Rand Paul.

        Almost forgot Libertarians For Voter Suppression.

        But that’s it. Those are the only true libertarians.

        1. Kirkland, you’re being one upped by hihn. Even a failure in hate.

          1. Arty isn’t even fit to lick Hihn’s soiled diapers. Hihn does that though.

        2. I am starting a new movement

          Libertarians for Grilled Cheese Sandwiches

          No doubt to be split into factions and endless arguments as to cheddar vs American and if Swiss is left or right wing. Gouda being socialist by all counts.

      2. reason staff are NOT Libertarians.

        How DARE you … A proven alt-right conservative, combined with the ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY of a welfare queen … provide many reasons for your oft-repeated HATRED of libertarianism.

        Here, you go TOTALLY off the rails … ,

        Your SHAMEFUL actions here are among THE worst I’ve EVER seen, after over 25 years in online forums.
        https://reason.com/2019/08/11/authoritarian-rulers-mobilize-private-violence-to-advance-their-goals/#comment-7890423

        ***You OPENLY ask Reason to BAN somebody, for posting probable facts “over and over” …. in DEFENSE of your REPEATED unprovoked assaults “over and over”

        YOU ATTACK SELF DEFENSE AGAINST YOUR REPEATED AGGRESSION … LIBERTARIANS HOLD NON-AGGRESSION AS A SACRED VALUE.

        WOULD WE ASK SATAN’S OPINION OF JESUS CHRIST?

        How many books have you burned this week? How many witches?

    5. Hey, I’m a long time libertarian and support Reason, and disagree that libertarians are “sill little brainless Democrats.” But I’ll agree Dalmia appears to have a bad case of TDS. And certainly there’s a slew of brainless posters, but you get those where people post.

      Dalmia, like the left, wants to paint Trump as a white nationalist, rather than enforcer of the laws on the books whether you like them or not. And she continues the lie of insulting Trump for the child separation policy that is enshrined in law, and we take kids from law breaking parents if they’re citizens or not. She’s equating private security groups with the Jim Crow South, which is far off the mark. I guess private security guards and others who cooperate with the police to catch law breakers is suddenly verboten. Nor did Trump call Mexicans “rapists and criminals”. He merely pointed out that many of the illegals are criminals fleeing prosecution.

      These people want the border laws enforced, rather than ignored, as I do. And Dalmia should be advocating changes to the law rather than promoting selective enforcement of laws. It’s the Democrats who’ve walked away from negotiations on immigration policy, not Trump, and they’d rather the laws be ignored. Whatever happened to “If you don’t like the law, change it.”? Now it’s just trash Trump because he’s enforcing the laws, even though Obama did it. I’d like more legal immigration, of people who don’t have communicable diseases, who don’t have criminal records, who can and will support themselves, who bring skills and want to be productive. Trashing Trump, rather than supporting him in improving the immigration laws, is counterproductive.

      1. Hey, I’m a long time libertarian

        You PROVE the opposite … immediately!

        e disagree that libertarians are “silly little brainless Democrats.” But I’ll agree Dalmia appears to have a bad case of TDS.

        GOTCHA !

        1) Libertarians have been fiscally conservative and socially liberal for …. over 50 years.

        2) The Authoritarian Right ALWAYS claims to be libertarian, when spewing their hate (which you are just a manipulated puppet) .. but their IGNORANCE of libertarianism causes the same blunder you committed.

        I HAD ALREADY PROVED YOUR DERANGEMENT, IN THE FIRST TWO
        COMMENTS ABOVE …. BEFORE YOU EVEN SPOKE

        I describe HOW Trump lied so shamelessly … to defend his adoring FASCISTS and RACISTS … claiming the violence AND MURDER was launched by the “alt-left. And link to UNDENIABLE VIDEO PROOF.

        Read the story. Watch the video. The YOU decide. Do you stand with liberty … or a lying sack of shit President, nazis and the KKK.

        (TDS is small part of how your tribal loyalty has been exploited, manipulated by a ruling elite … who exist atop both left and right. Don’t get me wrong; you’re a victim, like most everyone these days)

  4. IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. “Authoritarian Rulers Mobilize Private Violence To Advance Their Goals”

    To be fair, it’s not just authoritarian rulers, it’s also authoritarian would-be rulers. (See Maxine Waters, for example.) And it’s also the opponents of authoritarian rulers. (See Hong Kong, for example.) In fact, mobilizing violence is one of the primary ways of effecting change. (See all of recorded human history, for example.) Claiming that Trump himself is mobilizing private violence is simply a matter of opinion and claiming that this makes him an authoritarian ruler is an invalid syllogism along the lines of “Elephants drink water, you drink water, therefore you’re an elephant.”

    1. Thank, Jerryskids, we MUST spread the word that

      Left – Right = Zero

  6. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html
    Trump’s endorsement of violence reaches new level: He may pay legal fees for assault suspect

    Trump’s Coveted Blessings are upon us, Brethren, as we smite those who speak out against us!

    (For any of you who claim that Der TrumpfenFuhrer is NOT backing up the street-violence brownshirtism!)

    1. If Trump doesn’t pay legal fees, the taxpayers will through the Public Defender. But Trump is a racist!

      1. Who would you rather have defending you; the Deep Pockets of Der TrumpfenFuhrer, or the local Public Defender, who has been known to fall asleep during your trial? Don’t forget… How much justice do you want? == How much fame and money do you have? … OJ Simpson got a 9-month-long trial… Do you think YOU could get one, assuming that you’re a peon like me?

        1. But doesn’t this mean that the Public Defender (and the taxpayers who fund her) are also racist and white supremacist? I’m so confused.

          1. The Pubic Defender (and the taxpayers who fund her) are racist if they make comments (cumming out of their pubic cunts sometimes even!) about needing less immigration from “shithole nations” and more tall, Aryan, blonde, blue-eyed immigrants from non-shithole nations like Norway.

            https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-shithole-countries-trump/index.html
            Trump decries immigrants from ‘shithole countries’ coming to US

            1. Reason needs fewer comments from shithole people, such as sqrlsy

              1. And more shithole comments from others.

                1. SUPPRESS ALL SPEECH, authoritarian right!
                  Everyone who refuses to submit and obey your diktats.

                  Left – Right = Zero.

  7. Private violence committed by illegals and systematically enabled by Democrats doesn’t matter though, because it can’t be used to advance power for the left.

    Also, congrats on finding a way to use this tragedy to try to advance your grievance agenda. Lots of people would show some humanity and refrain from trying to take advantage of such an event. Looks like you have triumphed over your own sense of humanity though, if you ever had such a thing.

    1. You are correct that there’s political bias going on here… But even Der TrumpfenFuhrer wants to take away the guns of those with “red flags”, not even ever mentioning those who wave “blue flags”!!! Time for the right to roll over and play dead, it seems!

      “Red flags” are carried by the gap-toothed hicks in fly-over country, right? And “Blue flags” are carried by the likes of the violent thugs of “AntiFa”, right? The guns of the “Red flag fliers” will be confiscated, and the guns of the “Blue flag fliers” will NOT? I have seen NO mention of the “Blue flag fliers” in this context!!! Is this NOT some highly suspicious political bias going on here?!?!

      1. Too deranged to form sentences. I imagine your keyboard and screen coated with flecks of spittle.

        1. ANOTHER ONE??

          1. I really miss Agile Cyborg. AC’s deranged, text-walls ‘o’ rant were pure poetry.

            1. Were they as thuggish as Ben_, an aggressor?

              1. How could they be?!

      2. What’s up with the retard off between hihn, kirkland, and sqrsly?

        1. Providing cover for Reason mendacity

    2. “Lots of people would show some humanity and refrain from trying to take advantage of such an event. ”

      By tweeting about crowd size, conspiracy theories, and childish self-promotion? Is that what you have in mind, you bigoted, to-be-replaced, right-wing slack-jaw?

      Some techie should develop an app that pinpoints precisely when every particular clinger is going to be replaced.

  8. “And now President Donald Trump is dipping into that ignominious tradition to activate the white nationalists in his base to advance his border control objectives.”

    Are you really that ignorant?

    1. +100

    2. Are you really that ignorant?

      Are you really dishonest?

      PROOF of Trump’s psychotic lies, to support neo-nazis and racists, is summarized in the first twos comments on this page, with a link to UNDENIABLE proof

      Check it out, the come back and apologize to AlmightyJB … else you too be proven a defender of neo-nazis and racists, who committed dozens of assaults in Charlottesville … and one cold-blooded murder.

      Where do you stand? With Trump and Chase Crawford? Satan or Jesus Christ?

  9. “We are in the battle for the soul of this nation,” Trump declared. “If we give Hillary Clinton eight years in the White House, she will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation — who we are. And I cannot stand by and watch that happen.”

    Trump, by declaring that Hillary Clinton was an existential threat to this nation, was obviously dog-whistling that if he couldn’t defeat her at the ballot box some brave and noble hero was going to have to step up and take her out by any means necessary – for the sake of the Republic. He was all but declaring “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?” I mean, Jesus Christ, if you can’t see as plainly as the nose on your face that Trump was calling for the assassination of Hillary Clinton if it came down to it, you’re a ……

    Oh, wait, that wasn’t Trump speaking of Hillary, that was Joe Biden speaking of Donald Trump.

    Nevermind.

  10. The fact that Dalmia continues to be employed here is more reflective of both the magazine’s and the Reason Foundation’s bigotry of low expectations. For years she has produced articles that are poorly researched, actively sources references that actually state *the opposite* of what she said, show a complete lack of understanding of not just libertarianism, but political ideology and philosophy in general, and manages to seal it all in a tone of holier-than-thou, hysterical and hammy self-righteous wankery. Any publications with any kind of standards would have terminated her for gross incompetence years ago, but Reason is desperate for their Tokens and are completely unwilling to reign in her in any way whatsoever. Dalmia’s opinions, as deranged as they are, are her own, but Reason’s continued distribution of them promotes an image of a group willing to support emotionally unstable racial minorities who *directly* call for violence against their political opponents…while also vomiting up agitprop against said opponents for doing the exact same things with far flimsier argumentation.

    If her drivel was actually popular she’d be a better recruiter for the alt-right than Spencer, you morons.

    1. She is easily Reason’s worst writer. I have absolutely no idea why they keep her on.

      1. Shikha is one of those immigrants who does not understand what it is to be American. She certainly does not understand when she is being used.

        Shikha is and will always be an Indian-American. Americans want to preserve what makes America great.

        1. The slack-jawed clingers don’t like her. Her editor should fund a prompt raise.

          1. Poor Kirkland, the troll.

        2. Well then there is American something and there is American-American.

          LC you are clearly more American.

    2. This was published by The Week, John Titor, which says all we need to know about your credibility … reading skills … and typical Trumpster bigotry .

      God Bless.

      1. typical Trumpster bigotry

        I’m. Not. American.

        I understand that American insight outside of the United States ranges between ‘here be dragons’ and ‘here’s where all our slave labour and movie stars come from’ but the least you could do is not shallowly apply your moronic partisan politics to the rest of the world.

        1. typical Trumpster bigotry

          I’m. Not. American.

          LAME That has no bearing on Trump’s’ or your bigotry. I score it as a lame excuse. which Trump also does.

          And, FUCK YOU for saying only Americans can be bigots.

          your moronic partisan politics to the rest of the world.

          I’m a total independent, who frequently says Left – Right = Zero.

          And since there was NOTHING partisan in my comment, that makes you the moron, but all bigots like you are.

          And self-righteous.

          Despite your bullshit and snarkiness ,… you FUCKED UP by saying this was Reason’s .. when it says where it was published.

          THIS is what you said, chump.

          The fact that Dalmia continues to be employed here is more reflective of both the magazine’s and the Reason Foundation’s bigotry of low expectations.

          And THIS sealed your doom.

          For years she has produced articles that are poorly researched,

          Like you’re own fucked up research.

          actively sources references that actually state *the opposite* of what she said

          She gave examples. You FAIL again.
          And THIS proves you also ignorant

          a complete lack of understanding of not just libertarianism, but political ideology and philosophy in general,

          Actually, your SMEAR is clearly stupid.

          and manages to seal it all in a tone of holier-than-thou, hysterical and hammy self-righteous wankery

          SHE’S holier than thou? OMFG).

          emotionally unstable racial minorities who *directly* call for violence against their political opponents…

          And you’re also a psycho.

      2. You say it like making it to the online version of The Week of a proud accomplishment.

        1. JessseAz
          You say it like making it to the online version of The Week of a proud accomplishment.

          Read it again, chump.

          This was published by The Week, John Titor, which says all we need to know about your credibility … reading skills … and typical Trumpster bigotry .

          I said he fuckeds up. But your own fuckup is actually worse — an illiterate liar.

          WHAT HAVE YOU EVER ACCOMPLISHED?

    3. I agree. It’s bad enough to get this same drivel on every single MSM news outlet. Must we be subjected to the same here, too?

      1. Stay at stormfront, if you reject reality.

        Or see the first two comments on this page. PROOF that Trump LIED to defend massive violence by neo-nazis and racist, with a link to and UNDENIABLE video..

        So it also confirms that you’re just another whiny pussy on the Authoritarian Right.

        1. “…whiny pussy on the Authoritarian Right”.

          Since I am a woman, I suppose I actually can be a whiny pussy at times.

          But Authoritarian Right? Nope. I am not a Trumper or a GOPer. I’m just simply tired of the constant whiny pussies in MSM and Reason that are supposed to be journalists but instead are obsessed over Trump’s latest bowel movement. It would be nice to view/read real news based on facts, not opinions and propaganda.

          1. Caught another one!

            I am not a Trumper or a GOPer. I’m just simply tired of the constant whiny pussies in MSM and Reason

            Only one of those can be true..(smirk)

            So, are you another of the frauds? See the first two comments hete .. PROOF thathe

            1. Proof that Trump is a PSYCHO LIAR … defended his neo-nazis and racists, in Charlottesville, who launch a mass assaulty, clubbing people who were standing peacefully … and one cold-blooded murder.

              The asshole said it was the “alt-left” who charged and started beating with clubs. There’s the story, and a link to UNDENIABLE PROOF, an actual video of the assault.

              obsessed over Trump’s latest bowel movement. It would be nice to view/read real news based on facts, not opinions and propaganda.

              OOOPS … I just made a TOTAL PHONY FOOL out of you!

              Trumptards be losers. No better than the puppets under Bernies and Elizabeth.

              Thank you for playing. Please select a lovely parting gift.

              Sio, are you being a whiny pussy AGAIN, with your snit fit on Reason and … only the alt-right says MSM.

              So, where’s your outage on Trump’s FAR greater atrocities?

    4. One of the reasons why Reason will never get a dime from me.

      1. How much to stormfront, Infowars, Breitbart, and their ilk?.

  11. “That is part of how the Jim Crow South maintained its regime of racial apartheid after the abolition of slavery limited the scope of formal state action. And now President Donald Trump is dipping into that ignominious tradition to activate the white nationalists in his base to advance his border control objectives.”

    Every time I start thinking that Trump will probably lose in 2020, I see another example of how he’s covered in the press, and I’m reminded of why he won in the first place and why he’ll probably win again. Trump didn’t win in 2016 in spite of the coverage–he won because of the way he was covered. If Dalmia stayed up all night trying to think up pieces to write that would help Trump get reelected, she could hardly have come up with anything better than this.

    1. He should win easily. All he has to do is ask “Do you really want to go back to being poor?”

      1. Nobody ever went broke betting on the stupidity of the American people, and people are as stupid now as they’ve ever been.

        If there’s a recession, or even a slow down, between now and November 2020, any incumbent president would have a have a hard time winning despite that–so you never know.

        That being said, the opposition to Trump isn’t just incoherent. It’s bat-shit insane. If the Democrat wins, it’ll be in spite of everything the press did to help him or her–not because of it. That’s for sure.

        1. I butchered the quote.

          “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people.”

          —H. L. Mencken

      2. He should win easily. All he has to do is ask “Do you really want to go back to being poor?”

        He’d get laughed out of existence.

        His opponent would asl, “Do you want a President who added more debt, in only two years … then added more … when Obama started with the 2nd worst recession since the 1930as,.. and Trump started with the longest recovery
        EVER for an incoming President, FROM OBAMA, who started in the cellar .”

        (smirk)

        Trump has TOTALLY absolved the progressive left …as the President with A WORSE FISCAL RECORD THAN EVEN FDR!

        Trump campaigned on paying off the entire debt in 8 years. MASSIVE FAIL.
        He said he would do it with tariffs, until one of his staffers told him he was BAT-SHIT crazy. That level of tariffs would INCREASE CONSUMER PRICES BY $20 TRILLION OVER THE 8 YEARS!!!

        1. That might be effective, if virtually every Democrat with a chance to win was not running on the idea debts do not matter and we are free to spend on every type of giveaway they can think of.

          1. Teach the Trumpsters (smirk)

            That might be effective, if virtually every Democrat with a chance to win was not running on the idea debts do not matter and we are free to spend on every type of giveaway they can think of.

            Inconvenient facts.


            1) Trump campaigned on paying off the entire debt in 8 years

            2) But in his first 2 years, he already added more new debt (CBO 2024 forecast) than Obama added AFTER 8 years And he just added MORE!.

            3) Trump is the first President to EVER increase the deficit by over 45% … in a single year …. during a recovery

            To be a fiscal train wreck COMPARED with Obama, is even worse when we see how they began.

            4) Trump started with the longest recovery EVER for an incoming President, handed him by Obama.

            5) Obama started from the 2nd worst recession since the 1930s.

            Official debt comparisons are posted here, linked to official sources.
            https://reason.com/2019/08/11/authoritarian-rulers-mobilize-private-violence-to-advance-their-goals/#comment-7890247

            As always. Trumptards rant and scream that the numbers are false.
            That’s how the comfort themselves in times of massive FAILURE… since thinking readers will click the links .. if they NEED proof that Trumptards are tribal liars.

        2. In the alternate universe where you are correct and Americans care about that, Mitt Romney is president and he is currently serving out his second term.

          In this universe Americans voted the opposite way. They don’t care about government debt. They’ve never seen anyone hurt by it.

          1. In the alternate universe where you are correct and Americans care about that,

            Bullshit. And LAME.
            Americans do NOT care about the debt, so stop lying again..

            But they DO care who’s full of shit. That leaves YOU stuck in an alternate universe … of delusional fantasies … populated solely by many (not all) of Trump’s core base.

            Anything else?

            1. You’re not full of shit. Your shit fills your diapers. Then you eat it again.

              1. Does Trump empower thugs and aggression?
                Is this an unprovoked verbal assault?

                You’re not full of shit. Your shit fills your diapers. Then you eat it again.

                Why does Reason explicitly defend and protect these people?

                When did they Reason abandon the libertarianNon-Aggression Principle?
                (Which is WHY we take page shots, if they continue punishing the victims of aggression,)

  12. It’s pretty damned partisan to think Trump was the first. Obama sure wasn’t on the side of cool calm logic when he weighed in on the side of that assaulter Treyvon and against the guy he was beating to death. The optics were his only consideration when he had that famous beer lunch. His comments on Ferguson were just the typical instantaneous hot air with no legislative followup. He deported more than Trump, yet his boot licking followers rant against Trump, not Obama.

    1. Hey, Sparky! How does that compare with Trump’s INFINITELY WORSE LIES .. that defended neo nazis and racists who launched a mass assault, swinging clubs at dozens of unarmed, peaceful people, standing quietly … PLUS one cold-blooded murder???

      PROOF in the first two comments here, with the link to an UNDENIABLE video.
      Check it out. You’ve been manipulated, shamefully, by the swamp rat.

  13. Trump’s incendiary rhetoric and selective law enforcement is encouraging anti-immigrant violence.

    We will, of course, come to this conclusion by ignoring the stated reasons the last two shooters did their deed. And the people they supported.

    Because a dude shooting at immigrants because he’s afraid they’ll make climate change worse – well, that has nothing to do with the extremist rhetoric coming from the Progressive Left (TWELVE YEARS!) and everything to do with Trump.

    1. +100

    2. Why would the killer murder people to prevent Democrats from gaining political power if his chief and proximate concern was to protect the environment from corporations? Does that make any sense to you?

      1. Of course it doesn’t make sense because the guy was insane.

        1. If you’re looking for cogent and coherent political narratives from a guy who literally shot up a Wal-mart, you’ve already lost.

      2. You have to read The Lorax to understand. but given your level of intelligence you may want to stick to the movie. Hint… dude was nuts.

      3. It, uhm, it wouldn’t.

        Which is why he didn’t do this for those reasons.

        He did this because he thought immigrants coming here would get richer – thereby ‘using more resources’. Which leads to making Climate Change worse or faster or whatever.

        It had nothing to do with preventing the Democrats from coming into power. In fact, dude supported a couple of high-profile Democratic candidates.

        Does that make sense to you now?

        1. It had nothing to do with preventing the Democrats from coming into power.

          Did you read his manifesto?

      4. The Unabomber threatened papers to get them to publish his anarchist manifesto, and it led the cops straight to him. The style, “centrist” framing and general lack of cogency look to be imitated by the El Paso Republican-Econazi-Dixiecrat . Both were pretty clearly in favor of the initiation of force, and to hell with voting. Git a rope!

    3. You lied about one if those shooters,
      TRUMP lied about the Charlottesville assaults and murder, to defend nazi and racist SCUM.

      YOU have been suckered

    4. We will, of course, come to this conclusion by ignoring the stated reasons the last two shooters did their deed.

      You have of course, lied through your teeth, that it was both.

      This is the mindless loyalty to tribe, by FUCKing UP the HONEST conclusion … that it was NOT entirely Trump inspired.

      But, then Dems will say its not ENTIRELY leftists.

      They’d be both honest and correct. But both fail their agenda of sowing hatred, fear and hysteria.

  14. Trump kicked off his presidential run by calling Mexicans rapists and criminals, of course.

    Read Dalmia on immigration and then Soave for a humorous look at double standards on accuracy and context. Then for kicks read Welch’s fundraising appeals so they can provide a counterpoint to overwrought emotionalism.

  15. Similarly, Shikha Dalmia did not pull the trigger in the Dayton carnage, but it’s hard to deny that she has helped foment the atmosphere in which the trigger was pulled. Like Dalmia, the Dayton shooter vehemently opposes the Trump Administration’s immigration policies. Clearly, Dalmia’s inflamed rhetoric on the subject was obviously intended to call forth private political violence. And have we yet seen a column from her condemning the Dayton shooter? Irrefutable proof of her guilt!

    1. The dark cloud of fascism is always descending upon Republicans but it usually turns out to be composed of progressives and Democrats.

      [Dayton Killer]: Twitter Posts on Being a Leftist, Guns

      The Dayton, Ohio mass shooter, was a self-described “leftist,” who wrote that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”

      1. +100

      2. The motives of the Dayton shooter are not at all clear. It does not look like like a political or racial killing from what the FBI is saying and what has been reported. It does look like he had long-standing fantasies of killing and hatred of women writing “hit lists” of classmates he wanted to kill at a young age.

        Generally those motivated by political or racial ideology make it very clear. They are trying to make a public point. The nutballs like the Vegas killer and probably the one in Dayton are more just internally deranged and living out a private evil fantasy.

        1. There were two shootings close in time, one in El Paso, one in Dayton.

          The El Paso shooter left a detailed manifesto which listed a whole host of reasons, but prominent among them was a fear of “Hispanic invasion”.

          The Dayton shooter didn’t leave behind any manifesto but he had a thin social media profile which indicated support for Democrats.

          The only connection to these two shootings is TIME, but in the discourse, commenters are somehow expected to treat these two shootings on an “equal footing” on some level. I.e., if one blames the El Paso shooter on “right wing rhetoric”, then “to be fair”, one should blame the Dayton shooter on “left wing rhetoric”. This is just BSAB-ism run amok. There are different material facts present in each of these cases. If these two shootings didn’t happen to occur on the same weekend, then judging by the plain facts in each case, we would not even think of trying to connect the two as having a similar type of motivation, i.e., ideology or mental illness or whatnot.

          If the El Paso shooting had taken place at the same weekend as, say, the Fort Hood shooting, I’m willing to bet that you’d have a coterie of people trying to strain to find reasons on how the El Paso shooter was some type of secret Muslim jihadist, or something. Only because the two events occurred near each other in time.

          1. Pervert drop of blood spilled is on the hands of the progressives. As usual.

          2. It’s dishonest not to mention that everything in the El Paso shooter’s manifesto was leftist doctrine. He was a far-leftist eco-nut who listened to other far-leftists advocate violence and obsess about group membership over individualism – so he decided to reduce the excess population and help _his_ group (white Americans) come out on top by murdering other groups.

        2. “It’s not ideological when a leftist does it!”

      3. Besides one bunch of force-initiating collectivists loving Jesus and the other loving Satan or Warren, where’s the difference?

        1. The suckers who love Trump.

      4. WARREN/SATAN 2020!

    2. +100

    3. TRUMP SUPPORTERS COMPETE FOR WHO CAN BEST PROVE SHIKHA CORRECT!
      The winner (drum roll) CHACE CRAWFORD! (plus an oak leaf cluster!)

      paste the same senile rantings until your medication kicks in.

      YOU ARE GOING TO DIE UNDER A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AS A DISGUSTING PATHETIC WELFARE LEECH

      you’re going to die under a Trump presidency as a welfare leech you decrepit useless old piece of shit. MAGA. LMAO!

      You’re going to be dead long before Medicare goes broke or the debt has to be repaid. You have no family who will claim your name so you needn’t worry for any progeny.

      you senile old fuck? Kill yourself.

      You’re a deranged useless senile piece of shit. … if you had any sense of decency you’d shoot yourself.

      RAZOR BLADE + WRISTS = SWEET RELIEF. Do it.

      your entire familial line is ashamed of you and will not even come claim your disgusting old carcass when you die in that Medicare facility covered in bedsores and your own shit. Why go on like that? Do the dignified thing. There are sharp instruments available in the cafeteria.
      (There is no such thing as a Medicare facility, but at least 6 Trumpsters have repeated the identical claim, one over a dozen tine on one page)

      you are going to die as a welfare leech under a Trump administration. Why put yourself through the shame? Do the dignified thing.

      You’re not going to be martyred by imaginary Nazis while you’re dying in your assisted living facility of senile dementia. No one cares about you now and no one will care about you once we taxpayers finally get the privilege of putting you in a potter’s grave. The only way you will ever preserve even a tiny shred of dignity is if you do the honorable thing and kill yourself.

      You should go see if you can get an extra dose of thorazine. A big one.

      Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Dalmia is a typically sub-average IQ Indian immigrant. The end result is mostly the same, but ignorance is curable.

      Sevo – the one who coaches them all

      fuck off
      Fuck off
      Fuck off
      Fuck off

      And over two dozen one-shot drive-bys.

      This is the only major political site that REFUSES to monitor comments … and defend their readers from verbal aggression. As market behavior predicts — they congregate her, en masse, as the only place they have not been thrown off of. And dominate the comments, by driving away others. (Too few to assault at stormfront, Infowars, breitbart, and their ilk)

      1. Don’t take it personally. Once your eyes leave the computer screen, all of this magically goes away. Turn your head 90 degrees. You see a window. Outside of that window, a whole world waiting to be explored. Forests, creeks (or ‘cricks’), meadows, marshes and mountains all bend at the mercy of your attention.
        Go now, sweet Hihn, and be free from this cyclical, endless turmoil.

        1. Yes, please.

        2. Not everyone shares your need for.denial

          If it didn’t matter, you would not spend so much time defending it, elsewhere. It does not matter — to you — only when you’ve been proven wrong, which is every time. And this is the absolute zaniest,

          You needle me, instead of the vicious personal attacks I posted and proved. So I’ve now exposed yet another attack by you … less vicious but more self-righteous then the thugs you’ re so laughingly defending.

          And it’s SO obvious, most non-tribal independents will also see through you instantly.

          YOU get a life. And leave things to the adults in the room.

          P.S. This fuckup is not as blatant as your first attempt with this gambit. You were just being helpful, … BECAUSE I NEED TO CLEAR MY HEAD!! (snort)
          https://reason.com/2019/08/11/authoritarian-rulers-mobilize-private-violence-to-advance-their-goals/#comment-7890371

          You are a very smooth talker … but a very failed thinker.

      2. Fuck off, Hihn.

  16. Where’s Shikha’s column about a week before the 2016 election guaranteeing Trump would not win. Can’t find it in the archives.

    1. You’ve been suckerd, bamboozled and manipulated, perhaps eagerly.

      Trump lost the popular vote in a landslide, as nearly 10 million voted against him. MUCH larger than Hillary’s margin, because a record number of votes AGAINST the TWO most reviled candidates ever. Lotzsa write-ins..

      And, a RECORD 18% of his votes were cast against Hillary, NOT for him.

      His “record winning margin in the Electoral College” was a staggering … 39,000 voters! (not a typo) MUCH LARGER than any influence Russia and Wikileaks would have had!

      Question do you defend and support his LIES about who launched the mass assaults in Charlottesville? He says the “alt-left” charged his supporters, swinging clubs in assault.

      In the first two comments here. UNDENIABLE PROOF that he lied to defend neo-nazis and racists. The story. with a link to video proof.

      So, you’ve been manipulated even worse than I opened with.
      Check the proof, then let us know if you’re still a Trump supporter, okay?l.

      .

      1. Dumbass. Nobody won the popular vote because no such vote was taken!

        1. You can’t win in a contest that doesn’t exist.

          The popular vote is irrelevant. No libertarian would reference the popular vote in a debate as if it has meaning. Hihn, is a modern day liberal.

        2. Nasty-mouth DenverJ now commits THE BIGGESY FUCKUP OF THE YEAR

          DenverJ
          Dumbass. Nobody won the popular vote because no such vote was taken!

          Scroll back readers. He really said that!!! NOBODY could invent anything THAT crazy.

          THERE WAS NO POPULAR VOTE IN 2016 … NOBODY VOTED FOR TRUMP, CLINTON, JOHNSON OR STEIN! Because DenverJ said so, and only a DUMBASS doesn’t know this.

          “OH YEAH, THEN HOW WAS THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE SELECTED, HUH?”

          IT TOOK NEARLY A WEEK. STARTING WITH 3,672 APPLICANTS … IT WAS A MASSIVE GAME OF ROCK, PAPER SCISSORS.

          IS ANYBODY ELSE CRAZY ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THERE WAS NO POPULAR VOTE?

          The only name that comes to mind is … TrickyVic …. AND HE DID!.
          EVEN CRAZIER!

          The popular vote is irrelevant. No libertarian would reference the popular vote in a debate as if it has meaning. Hihn, is a modern day liberal.

          WHAT DETERMINES THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE? ….. Rock, Paper, Scissors!!!

          PURE Trumptard.

          1. You’ve been told to fuck off. Now fuck off.

            1. Tyrannical Trumptards be Terrorists

              Last of the Shitlords
              You’ve been told to fuck off. Now fuck off.

    1. PRIB

      1. Primosomal Replication Protein N? LOL

  17. “Trump’s incendiary rhetoric and selective law enforcement is encouraging anti-immigrant violence.”

    Selective law enforcement? Sounds like the root cause for illegal immigration in the first place.

    1. Do you excuse the violence inspired and encouraged by Trump? Your intent is not clear to me.

  18. Why is Trump waiting so long to condemn Ms. Dalmia’s fucking of inocent chickens?

    1. Why are YOU, Robert. supporting a President who LIED, so shamelessly about the mass assaults in Charlottesville … PROVEN a liar on this page.

      Trump said, angrily, that the “alt-left” had charged his supporters, bashing them with clubs. The TRUE story is summarized in the first two comments here, with a link to UNDENIABLE PROOF (a video of the assault).

      His lie defended neo-nazis and racists, who charged people standing peacefully, assaulting them … with a later murder in cold blood.

      I say this is an impeachable offense. And I ask you to review the proof, then tell us if you still support the President.

      Thanks in advance.

      1. You should spend more time outside.

        1. ,b>

          L cucullatus
          You should spend more time outside.

          NEW assault PROVES Shikha CORRECT on what Trump has done to these people’s “minds”. (shudder),

          PLUS … OMG ,… his DENIAL of undeniable proof that Trump LIED to cover up the Charlottesville mass assaults and murder were launched by Trump’s neo-nazi and racist supporters.

          That begs a question of L cucullatus. Do you lean more to the nazis or the racists, or both evenly? No more whining like a pussy, since you’ve ALREADY supported the anazis and racists.

          PROOF in first two comments here.

          1. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh what ?

            1. Not sure how you gathered that from anything I wrote. I was just saying maybe stepping away from the computer might be a good way to clear your head, that’s all. I don’t really have a dog in this fight bubs.

              1. Catching a bullshitter SO easy.!

                Not sure how you gathered that from anything I wrote. I was just saying maybe stepping away from the computer might be a good way to clear your head

                (snort)

          2. I’d say learn to code hihn, but you apparently fail at that too.

          3. Fuck off, Hihn. And die. A painful death.

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  20. This article is Peak Shikha, and these comments are Peak Reason Comments.

    I don’t understand why Shikha is affiliated with Reason. Her oeuvre is poor by Vox standards.
    And I don’t understand why they can’t or won’t IP ban this idiot that has carpet bomb spammed the board with his capitalized bolded multi-handled dreck.

    It’s past time to tighten up the registration/ verification here

    1. She appareny used Vox as a reference as she listed every dog whistled paraphrase they are currently using instead of using Trumps own words. Pretty pathetic.

      1. +100

  21. I preferred White Indian to Hihn.

    I long for the good ole days

    1. I sure as heck would not recommend that any libertarian-friendly acquaintance check out this site. Some of us have been here for years and perhaps can stomach the poo flinging but it is now useless as an outreach tool to explain libertarian positions on current events.

      1. “I sure as heck would not recommend that any libertarian-friendly acquaintance check out this site. Some of us have been here for years and perhaps can stomach the poo flinging but it is now useless as an outreach tool to explain libertarian positions on current events.”

        Yep. So I laugh, and carry on.

      2. Completely agree.

        Can’t tell you how many times I recommended this site, back in the day. Learned so much here. As much from the comments as the articles.

        Now it’s just a top to bottom shit-show.

        Sad

      3. I’d have to agree.

        The magazine used to be better and the comment section has gone to complete shit over the last decade. Especially over the last five years.

        I stick around here mostly for nostalgia but I definitely do not recommend Reason to anyone interested in libertarianism any more.

        1. I haven’t been commenting here that long but long time reader. The commenting section has gotten far worse even in the past few months.

          1. reason lets Hihn end run their ban.

            That and all the new reason socks to increase web traffic.

        2. The Stossel articles are about the only ones I recommend anymore.

          1. Figures.

      4. This display is enough to make me rethink wasting time here

  22. Why is Reason still paying Shiksa to lie? Trump should sue you for libel.
    And why does Reason allow the unhinged Hihn to shit all over the comments section?

    1. Shikha is Hihn?

      1. Somebody owes Shikha an apology.

        1. Yeah, that’s not nice.

  23. Leave it to Reason-as-she-is to hire Shikha to break the silence on the private funding of border walls along New Mexico–with a shrieking fit! I’m betting her next move is to convince those benighted locals the shallow graves containing hundreds (if not thousands) of bodies along the border in the decades since Operation Intercept replaced the braceros program are all the result of Mexican hunting accidents.

  24. Well, I guess the generous way to put it, is that leaders ought to choose their words carefully, otherwise a careless choice of words may lead to their followers undertaking actions beyond what the leaders intended.

    This was always a danger with Trump. He doesn’t seem to have that strong of a grasp on the finer points of the English language, and he doesn’t temper what he says, even when he really ought to. So those who are *already inclined* to commit certain acts will read what they want to read into Trump’s words as sufficient justification for what they were likely going to do anyway.

    I frankly don’t think Trump is sophisticated enough to be intentionally using his carelessly chosen words as some type of signal to activate death squads to start murdering Mexicans. That’s giving him far too much credit than he deserves.

    1. So how do you justify those on the Left committing violence – including mass murder – when the Left is using and has been using inflammatory language for longer than Trump has been running for President?

      Super Predators?

      Deplorables?

      Nazis?

      12 YEARS!!!!111!!!1111

    2. chemjeff radical individualist
      August.12.2019 at 12:17 am
      “Well, I guess the generous way to put it, is that leaders ought to choose their words carefully, otherwise a careless choice of words may lead to their followers undertaking actions beyond what the leaders intended.”
      Yep, the poor population (you, right jeff) can’t be trusted to act in responsible ways if someone who is viewed by those suffering from TDS is careless with their words.
      That is amusing, but not surprising.

      “This was always a danger with Trump. He doesn’t seem to have that strong of a grasp on the finer points of the English language, and he doesn’t temper what he says, even when he really ought to. So those who are *already inclined* to commit certain acts will read what they want to read into Trump’s words as sufficient justification for what they were likely going to do anyway.”
      See above, you fucking idiot.

      “I frankly don’t think Trump is sophisticated enough to be intentionally using his carelessly chosen words as some type of signal to activate death squads to start murdering Mexicans. That’s giving him far too much credit than he deserves.”
      I frankly think you are clearly stupid enough to post what you have here.
      If you are not embarrassed by that pile of bullshit, you will continue to ‘not be embarrased’ by even more imbecilic statements.

      1. “Well, I guess the generous way to put it, is that leaders ought to choose their words carefully, otherwise a careless choice of words may lead to their followers undertaking actions beyond what the leaders intended.”
        Yep, the poor population (you, right jeff) can’t be trusted to act in responsible ways if someone who is viewed by those suffering from TDS is careless with their words.
        That is amusing, but not surprising.”

        Too many contingent clauses:
        Jeff, being the dimbulb he is, suggests that the population is easily
        lead to violence, since Jeff is a dimbulb follower of the lefty cult and projects his failures onto the public in general.
        Just wanted to make sure Jeff could understand the comment and the stupidity of it.

  25. Except Libertarians believe in personal responsibility. And free speech. And the president has not promoted (non-police) violence against illegal immigrants, he has condemned it.

    1. How long have you been off the planet?

    2. I except no less, nor no more, from the chief executive than we hath duly received.

    3. +100

  26. Shikha is dumb and not libertarian. People have agency and need to take responsibility for their own actions.

    Fuck this asshat who is claiming Trump’s rhetoric made him murder people! He might as well claim that the devil made him do it. I suppose obese people should blame junk food advertisements. Should rapists blame the do-called patriarchy?

    Guess what, Shikha? Even if Trump had actually said it that people ought to be shot, it still would not give this maniac an excuse. Trump is an idiot, but this kid is a homicidal maniac. Period.

    1. Shikha is dumb and not libertarian. People have agency and need to take responsibility for their own actions.

      Except Trump.

      NOT RESPONSIBLE for LYING about Charlottesville … NOT RESPONSIBLE for LYING about who launched the mass assaults, charging peaceful people, attacking them with clubs … SICK FUCK LIAR SAID THE VICTIMS (“the alt-left”) launched the assaults.

      PROOF of Trump’s lies is in the 2-part comment at the very top, with link to UNDENIABLE video proof.

      Montoya = FAIL

  27. You can tell that Shikha doesn’t actually try to understand these groups because she just said white nationalists are part of Trump’s “base.” If you actually researched white nationalists, you would learn very quickly that they are anything but Trump supporters. They consider him a ZOG shill (Zionist Occupied Government) because he supports Israel and “does their bidding.” They view him as the better of two evils because he is somewhat critical of unrestricted immigration, but that’s exactly where the relationship stops. You could make a much stronger case that white nationalists are part of Andrew Yang’s base because they’re pushing UBI as a hard as possible to crash the welfare state and start the race war. They’re also anti-automation luddites and they agree with his concerns over future racial conflict, global warming, and neoliberal corporatism.

    If you want to complain about private violence, start by policing your private bullshit and do some fucking research for once.

  28. Hihney returns, and all comment sections end up as 90% insult. Wish Reason would put in an “ignore” button.

    1. PROVE IT, AGGRESSOR

      all comment sections end up as 90% insult

      And mine is self-defense!

  29. incendiary rhetoric and selective law enforcement

    Here’s the thing:
    (1) incendiary rhetoric could be bad
    (2) selective law enforcement is definitely bad (as a pattern)
    And they both can contribute to violence. For a number of reasons, scapegoat outgroups are particularly at risk of that in a general sense.

    That’s a serious problem in heterogeneous societies, and as people who value freedom and human flourishing, we should be wary of mechanisms like these and try to prevent such violence.

    The key point, though, is that there have been powerful people throughout history who have intentionally used these as a strategy, knowingly destroying thousands, sometimes millions of lives to effect their own ends.

    Donald Trump is not in the same category as those fiends. Conflating him with them and imputing the most malign motives at every turn does a disservice to anyone who takes these sorts of threats seriously.

    So once again, Dalmia weakens what is broadly an important message by framing it ineptly. Dalmia is a demagogue, not a thoughtful writer. In that, she shares some of the qualities of whom she’s criticizing in this piece.

    1. Donald Trump is not in the same category as those fiends.

      He’s worse!

      Conflating him with them and imputing the most malign motives at every turn does a disservice to anyone who takes these sorts of threats seriously.

      UNDENIABLE PROOF is the 2-part comment at the very top. Includes the truth and links to an actual video as proof.

      Plus so many examples in the article.

      Denial is NOT an argument.

  30. “Fomenting atmosphere of violence” has been a liberal talking point used to suppress freedom for years. The lib activists used to stage riots on college campuses because Ben Shapiro talking about PC culture would apparently lead to a wave of violence. It’s disappointing to see Shikha stoop to their low.

    There were something like 427 anti hispanic hate crimes in 2017, which rose slightly from the previous year, but as Reason notes there are more agencies (by the hundreds) that collect and report incidents. And most hate crimes involve vandalism, threats and “simple assault”. Most of these incidents will never be referred to criminal prosecution because they amount to pranks and hotheads using ethnic slurs in a fight. A rise in antisemitism owes largely to one Israeli teen making 100 plus prank calls.

    I think the question is, would racists feel compelled to action if the media was even handed and dispassionate in covering immigration or even Trump? The left constantly makes whiteness a target in any discourse or agenda. Some white person wants to dress up as Black Panther for Halloween or sell orange chicken and boom, the SJWs get upset. The migrants receive VIP treatment from the media, even if more than half of them came with fake kids and paid criminals to guide them. If you’re deranged and feel white population is declining and the brown invasion is coming, you’re going to see stuff on media that validates your paranoia. All the time.

  31. Is it Trump that’s doing this? What about that Democrat Castro that leaked a big list of Trump donors and urged the mob to harass them?

    1. Liar.
      Most were independent store owners. Boycotting a store is perfectly legal, except on the Authoritarian Right..

      How DARE you compare that with the massive moral atrocities inflicted by Trump? Shameful.

      At the very top of these comments, I provide UNDENIABLE proof that Trump LIED about Charlottesville … to defend mass assaults on peaceful people by his beloved neo-nazi and racists supporters … including old blooded murder … LYING it was the “alt-left” that charged his supporters, swinging clubs, when the counter-protesters were the victims. Linked to VIDEO proof of the assault.

      Read the facts. Watch the video. Then tell us if you TOO defend violent nazi and racist terrorists.

  32. In typical Leftist fashion, those who have arranged an invasion and colonization of the US by Latin America accuse those people rude enough to notice out loud that this was the case of fomenting the inevitable violence.

    Invasions lead to violence. Duh. Is anyone going to pretend they didn’t know this?

    1. Duh. Is anyone going to pretend they didn’t know this?

      YOU pretend to be intelligent on what an invasion is.
      DUH

      But Trump will give you a cookie and a pat on the head, as a loyal puppet in his conspiracy..

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