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Democratic Socialists of America Voted To Establish an Anti-Fascist Working Group. It Was Controversial.

Some DSAers were worried about being associated with antifa, but the motion passed 521–493.

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It wasn't all jazz hands and pronoun-policing: Last week's Democratic Socialists of America convention also featured healthy and often heated debate over serious policy proposals—including a motion to convene an "anti-fascist working group," which passed by a narrow margin of 521–493.

The proposal "institutionalizes the fight against fascism as an official DSA initiative" and would "help drive collaboration and resource sharing to support our antifascist organizing, because we must fight exploitation, white supremacy, and patriarchy," according to its supporters.

Current Affairs' Nathan Robinson, a leftist writer who attended the convention, described the proposal as "deeply divisive." He writes:

proponents thought it was obvious that the DSA, as a group that was against fascism, should devote resources to figuring out how to stop fascism. Opponents believed it tied DSA too closely to the specific anti-fascist tendency known as Antifa, which could cause negative legal and safety consequences for DSA.

After it passed, Robinson spoke with one convention attendee who thought any association with antifa would make democratic-socialism a surefire loser in rural and conservative areas. Others thought supporting the work of anti-fascists was a no brainer.

As I explain in my new book, Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trumpantifa is an illiberal organization that does not necessarily believe in extending rights to people whose goals run counter to theirs—the far right, in particular. Antifa's belief that violence can be justified if the target is an ideological opponent lends itself toward the kind of madness taking place in Portland, Oregon, where Quillette editor Andy Ngo was viciously assaulted for documenting antifa's antics.

It's understandable that democratic socialists who believe in using the democratic process to achieve social change would not want to be tied to antifa. Too bad they lost this argument.

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  1. Did they create an anti-Yeti working group as well?

    1. That would other Sasquatch, the Loch Ness monster, the Abominable Snowman, and probably Frankenstein’s monster too. You’ve got to be more inclusive in your exclusiveness.

      1. Well since they’re so valiantly fighting imaginary monsters, might as well include them all!

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      2. I’m assuming that Sasquatch is higher in the progressive stack than the Abominable Snowman, being a creature of color. Where does Nessie place?

        1. What’s Sheepsquatch, chopped liver?

        2. Well, Florida Man is obviously racist, since they call their noble Sasquatch creatures “skunk ape”.

    2. Do socialist not like their beverages kept at a desired temperature? Or is it more on the lines of we don’t need 24 different coolers/thermos?

      1. What does someone need more than one brand of cooler? Coleman is good enough for the party, it is good enough for you.

        1. Fuck that. Cooling causes global climate change. Plastics are evil.

          You get room temperature everything and you like it.

          1. Someone (seriously?) proposed a scheme to create more Arctic ice to replace the melted stuff. They would put submarine freezers all over the Arctic to freeze water, then surface and let it loose, then submerge and repeat.

            Maxwell’s gonna have to train one heckuva lot of demons!

        2. Coleman is problematic though, it reinforces gender stereotypes and is part of the patriarchy.

          1. The party coolers are “Coleperson”

            1. Or ColeX Koolers.

              Fun fact: Isolation at Stalags POW camps were sometimes called Koolers.

              1. Wasn’t that also Nazi camps as well. Or has Hollywood steered me wrong again (The Great Escape).

                1. Stalags are “Nazi camps”. They were POW camps for Allied military members.

                  If you mean concentration camps, I don’t know that answer. I would suspect that any “misbehaving” by concentration camps inmates resulted in immediate summary execution. The Geneva Convention sort of protected Allied POWs.

                2. Perhaps you have stalag (German) confused with gulag (Russian)

      2. The Central Committee will institute a working group to look into the feasibility of setting up a Beverage Temperature Regulatory Committee whose purpose will be to determine the optimal temperature all beverages must legally be kept at, taking into account the needs of our differently-abled and temperature sensitive colleagues..

        While this may take a while to show results, Comrades, I’m sure we can agree that having a single, unified temperature for all beverages will increase economic efficiency and allow better social cohesion through diversity and inclusive social initiatives.

        1. And no matter what the committee comes up with, drinks will still be served at room temperature because there will be no coolers or electricity available to make ice. Welcome to the socialist utopia, comrade.

    3. What do you have against overpriced coolers?

    4. UNIT?

    5. Good stuff, Robbie. Sad, indeed, that they lost. AntiFa are the black shirted fascists of the left today.

      What bothers me most is the definition of the word “fascist” — which surely applies to the DSA crowd — and virtually the entire D coterie of Prez Candidates. Ostensible private ownership, actual public control. That is the economic definition of fascism. They all espouse it.

      Those of the DSA who actually advocate public ownership of the means of production (which must include workers, folks), can call themselves Socialists. Once they buy into “socialism”, democracy functionally ceases to matter. Try to understand what the Hong Kong rebellion is about right now. The DSA will not have a clue.

  2. After it passed, Robinson spoke with one convention attendee who thought any association with antifa would make democratic-socialism a surefire loser in rural and conservative areas. Others thought supporting the work of anti-fascists was a no brainer.

    So they’re in agreement.

    Codifying Antifa as an official arm of DSA does indeed make the organization accountable. Bad idea on their part.

    1. Yeah I was wondering if this opens them up to the same kind of lawsuits the SPLC used to bankrupt the KKK?

    2. “Bad idea on their part.”

      If that was the only one, they wouldn’t look half so idiotic.

  3. aggressive scents.

  4. So it’s pretty clear the Democratic socialist don’t know what fascism is.

    1. That’s been clear for some time now.

    2. when they look into the mirror they don’t recognize what they see. they may think they are democrat socialist but the mirror shows their true face, fascism

      1. I do like Punchyface McHalfShave’s quasi-military tailored jacket. It fits in with the whole theme.

        1. It’s always one step from Che/Mao cool attire.

        2. “I do like Punchyface McHalfShave’s quasi-military tailored jacket. It fits in with the whole theme.”

          Unless mommy and daddy are Mrs and Mr Warbucks, he’s gonna wake up sometime in his 50s and realize that stuff they do on Wall Street is gonna be real important to him one day soon.

  5. Fun fact; this was the first convention in history where no one got laid. In fairness that was at least in part due to their being no notaries on hand to notarize the sexual consent contracts.

    1. also nobody in that room knows whether they’re a boy or a girl

      1. Sadly, even the inner party members have yet to rid themselves of transphobia and still refuse to sleep with women just because they have dicks.

        1. Narrator “This is what they actually believe”

          1. You can’t satirize them.

            1. this entire thread would have me laughing, except its all true

            2. Yep. Stuff like this makes Poe weep.

            3. They define the “My wife’s boyfriend” meme.

  6. They claim to be a workers’ party but are militantly open borders. That is not how this works!!

    1. John, you forgot about the step where they kill off a large percentage of the population so they need new blood (to spill).

      1. True. That and the step where they destroy the economy such that they have to build a wall to keep people in.

    2. That could merely mean they’re Trotskyists who want to destroy the nation state.

  7. Socialists advocating for violence.

    Where’s my shocked face?

    1. Things just got a little out of hand with that son of a bitch Trump in the White House and everything. But they still love you.

      1. Sorry I ruined yer Fascist “Anti-Fascist” Party.

  8. I really hope someone tells Trump to try enforcing the Communist Control Act. If ever there was a time to use it…

    1. You have to be very careful with laws like that.

      Firstly, they are likely unconstitutional violations of the 1A.

      Second, unless you are investigating active espionage by Commies and Socialists, you will simply give Lefties a rally cry. They still cry “McCarthy” even though McCarthy was absolutely onto the Commies who had infiltrated the State Department and other government positions while using Hollywood and the Newspapers as Propaganda machines.

      Socialism is dying or at least stagnating. One good thing about some Millennials is that are pissed about massive debt burden they will have because of Social Security and Medicare. They are paying taxes from their paychecks now and the debt will never be paid without burdening them more in the future.

      New Commie states are not really popping up and even when a Socialist state like Venezuela goes full Commie, they implode within a few years.

  9. It’s a pity the DSA took down their youtube channel. It was a riot.

    1. Didn’t they take it down because it was being treated more or less as a comedy channel?

  10. It’s gonna be real hard for them to separate the fact that Nazis ARE Socialists.

    Hitler and the Socialist dream

    1. If you take the Nazi party platflorm and replace the references of “Nationalism” to “Globalism”, their principals are indistinguishable.

      Does that make them “GAZIS”?

      1. “Internazis” if you use “internationalism” instead of “globalism”.

      2. Yes.
        I have been talking about Gazis for 4 years, but the name hasn’t caught on.
        NOW THERE ARE 3 OF US USING IT though!
        Spread the word

  11. Democratic socialism is an oxymoron.

    1. You can vote to have Victory Gin, or Victory Gin. The majority gets to decide and the vote is democratic.

    2. They absolve themselves with the idea you gave implicit consent to that boot stamping on your face if it happens because of Democracy.

  12. By the way, all jokes aside, I actually found a soy-boy.

    This is what no-shit blue checkmark journalists now do:

    We counted every line in every Tarantino movie to see how often women talk. This involved me seeing Once Upon a Time… two nights in a row, furiously making hash marks in a notebook in the dark while getting intermittent death stares from my seat neighbor

    1. “Senior Editor at Time.”

      God, if that’s what a Senior Editor does at Time, I don’t want to know what they make the interns do.

      1. No shit. A senior fucking editor is is putting tickmarks on a notepad based on spoken lines in a movie in the name of gender equity. It’s so stupid it can’t be real.

        1. Check with Snopes.

          1. Snopes would just say that it’s false that it’s stupid, because leftists never fault leftists.

      2. They are ‘senior editors’ just like bank tellers are ‘vice presidents.’

    2. Holy Fuck! Thanks for that link because I dont pay attention to MSM, so I still find it hilarious how stupid they are.

      This guy will be shocked when Time lays him off or goes bankrupt. He wont understand why that is happening.

    3. Its hilarious. The one film where a ton of time is devoted to killing women (Death Proof) gets the most female dialogue.

      But I’m wondering what the point these people were trying to illustrate is.

      Outside of Reservoir Dogs – which basically has one woman in it – all of his films, the women are almost universally ‘strong’. The ‘weakest’ women in them might be Mia Wallace – and she’s not weak in the film, she’s just not an arsekicker like they tend to be in the others.

      Tarantino, perhaps ironically considering his love for pulp and exploitation, might be the most ‘feminist’ of directors working today.

      . . . in Kill Bill: Volume 2, for example, the share of lines going to male actors was 17.5 percentage points higher than those given to women;

      That’s because most of that movie is Uma Thurman killing bitches. Until the confrontation with Bill near the end, most of that movie is a collection of action sequences. Women may not talk much in it – but hardly anyone does.

  13. The Jazz hands thing was really inappropriate. It could have triggered any Desert Storm vets who were in the audience.

    (You see, they may have encountered scores of Iraqi soldiers doing the same thing…)

    1. It’s not very inclusive of other music styles. And I’ve heard Trump likes jazz so it’s racist too.

      1. Performed by black faces that aren’t black voices.

        1. +100

    2. I would think it would trigger everyone over blackface. I still have flashbacks over ‘The Jazz Singer’.

  14. After it passed, Robinson spoke with one convention attendee who thought any association with antifa would make democratic-socialism a surefire loser in rural and conservative areas.

    It’s cute that they think DemSoc has any chance in rural and conservative areas even if it’s not associated with Antifa.

    1. This.

      But at least I have to give the DemSocs some credit. Unlike the mainstream Democratic party, it shows they have at least one or two people wandering around the convention hall even thinking of flyover country.

    2. +1000

      These people like in such bubbles.

      In my area, if you block the road for some stupid shit like Anti-fa, there will be a line of trucks with massive bumpers waiting to push your vehicles out of the way.

    3. Clearly you aren’t familiar with Minnesota and Iowa

      1. Yep, there are plenty of rural people who have inherited that old-timey workers of the world/Wobblies rhetoric/attitude from their families. So much so that they do not even recognize where it comes from.

        The danger of the Antifa association is that the perceived radicalism will remind them/teach them why the IWW lost out to the AFL/CIO.

  15. Joseph Stalin was proud of being anti-fascist too. His murders number in the tens of millions.

  16. Note the capitalist laptop held by the self-proclaimed socialist. Cognitive dissonance much?

    1. The laptop is built by New Chinese (Wo)Men and its powered by the methane leakage from all the murdered victims of the Communists.

  17. Somebody read a fascist party platform and realized to be really anti-fascist you have to be for free enterprise and against government mandated benefits, etc. , I suppose

  18. After it passed, Robinson spoke with one convention attendee who thought any association with antifa would make democratic-socialism a surefire loser in rural and conservative areas. Others thought supporting the work of anti-fascists was a no brainer.

    Those things are not mutually exclusive – you can support the work of anti-fascists and oppose Antifa. Of course, that would probably make you a Goldwater Republican, but still.

  19. “Others thought supporting the work of anti-fascists was a no brainer.”

    A brain could have prevented this tragedy.

    1. If they had brains, they wouldn’t be socialists.

  20. Ngo was assaulted, but he wasn’t just documenting. He was antagonizing them as he had often done. He wasn’t an innocent victim, just a victim.

    1. Yep. Recording their actions and speech so others could see their disregard of free speech rights and law would certainly antagonize them.

    2. “…He wasn’t an innocent victim, just a victim.”

      Forgive me:
      Bullshit.

    3. His skirt was too short, he was asking for it

    4. “He wasn’t an innocent victim, just a victim.”

      So, other than doing nothing to warrant physical assault he is guilty of doing nothing to warrant physical assault.

      Genius.

  21. “Last week’s Democratic Socialists of America convention also featured healthy and often heated debate over serious policy proposals—including a motion to convene an “anti-fascist working group,” which passed by a narrow margin of 521–493.”

    But only for certain values of “fascist”, of course.

  22. The proposal “institutionalizes the fight against fascism as an official DSA initiative”

    Those opposed to this are the ones that understand that their first act would basically be the disbanding of the DSA.

  23. “antifa is an illiberal organization that does not necessarily believe in extending rights to people whose goals run counter to theirs”

    Democratic socialists are an illiberal organization that does not necessarily believe in extending rights to people whose goals run counter to theirs.

    What fun

  24. We may all laugh at these clowns, but I remember a SNL skit 40 years ago with their in-house black comic who wanted white people to send him money so they wouldn’t feel so guilty about what happened to all his ancestors. Everybody laughed. I wonder if any Democrats think that’s still funny?

    1. Do you remember National Lampoon? What was satire then is reality now.

      1. The poor Onion; it no longer has a venue.

  25. If the DSA wants violence give it to them.

  26. A room full of Tonys.

    1. The sheer horrow

      1. horror Gotta work on those editing skills

    2. Uh, no.

      I have no patience for people who spend all their time arguing over pronouns while there are like real problems to solve.

  27. “we must fight exploitation, (insert race of choice here) supremacy, and patriarchy”

    But that is pretty much the policy of any socialist government.

  28. Heh, thought commieboy was Will Wheaton there for a second… sporting olive drab, flanked by a MacBook.
    Perfect.
    Also, that’s an odd use of the word tendency.
    …”specific anti-fascist tendency known as Antifa”…
    It’s not a group, or an organization, it’s just a fuzzy little tendency.

    1. “…it’s just a fuzzy little tendency”

      A pleasure for the tips.

  29. “…any association with antifa would make democratic-socialism a surefire loser in rural and conservative areas.”

    I wonder if the convention attendee who said this actually kept a straight face? If so they are way beyond silos and bubbles.

  30. Northwesterners will get no sympathy from me. Before there was a Libertarian Party the de-facto fascists (Republican Party) and de-jure communists (Dems) moved to crush the Buffalo Party and set up voter suppression and Woodstock Laws to make damn good and sure no “peace” or “legalization” conspiracies could be set afoot. Those Procrustean voters deserve Anteefa-anarchy whack jobs as thoroughly as the whackos mutually deserve them.

    1. If anyone is interested I have Hank Phillips Decoder Rings for sale on Etsy.

  31. Just going by the summaries presented here, I can say that this is the first reasonable thing I’ve heard out the DSA. They don’t like fascism (who does?) but do not want to be even incorrectly associated with Antifa, a known terrorist organization that is arguably fascistic themselves. That makes a lot of sense.

    I’m not going to read the original transcript, because I’m certain that it will make me lose this small smidgeon of respect that I just gained for these rich, elite weaklings who don’t understand what they are proposing.

    1. You might want to consider just how many of the ‘nays’ chose that position out of a desire to maintain plausible deniability.

      Because it is a non-zero figure.

  32. Out of curiosity, how many people have the evil terrorist group Antifa, covered 24/7 on FOX News and thus an obsession of most of the commenters here, killed?

    I can tell you how many white nationalist Trumpies have killed just in the last week.

    1. From the Wikipedia article on the Dayton shooting: “he [the shooter] had retweeted posts that supported the antifa movement”

      1. So both shooters have nothing to do with my political inclinations. Can you say the same?

    2. Around a hundred million, why?

      Because they’re communists, Tony.

  33. Fascist Democrats votes to establish an Anti-Fascist working group…..

    Just as well be a group of men placing bets on which one of them will get pregnant first.

  34. “belief that violence can be justified if the target is an ideological opponent”

    What is every piece of legislation ever written, Alex?

  35. “Anti-Fascist Working Group”

    A working group to support Leftist street terrorism aided and abetted by Democratic politicians.

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