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At the Democratic Socialists of America Convention, Clapping, Chatter, and Gendered Language Are Considered Triggering

But it wasn't all woke one-upmanship—they also discussed public policy.

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Democratic socialists earned some ridicule this weekend after video clips from their annual convention—which showed attendees objecting to clapping, disruptive chatter, and the use of gendered language on grounds that all of these things were triggering—appeared online.

One person took to the podium to thank his fellow comrades for waving their hands in the air instead of clapping, since sudden, loud noises can be harmful for the easily perturbed members of the audience.

"We have a lot of disabled comrades," he said. He reminded everyone to "avoid hissing, avoid waving banners, there's all sorts of things."

It's difficult, of course, to impose total silence on a political action conference. At one point, a convention delegate interrupted another person's speech about "defeating capitalism" to make a "quick point of personal privilege." This delegate began by reminding the audience that he uses "he/him" pronouns, and then implored: "Guys… please keep the chatter to a minimum," because he is "very prone to sensory overload." Immediately after this plea, another attendee shot back with their own point of personal privilege: "Please do not use gendered language to address everyone." This person objected to the previous speaker's use of the word "guys."

It is not at all uncommon to see the DSA sidetracked by infighting over unreasonable requests related to language and disability status. In my book about modern activism—Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trump—I describe how the DSA's Medicare for All campaign was criticized by the DSA's disability caucus, whose members claimed that they should have ultimate authority over issues pertaining to health and wellness. It is widely believed within progressive circles that the oppressed are the sole experts on their own oppression and that deference should be given to the most marginalized groups. In practice, this creates some weird standoffs. From my book:

Since disabled people are especially affected by health care policy, the Medicare for All group had essentially failed to let disabled people be the experts on their own oppression—an intersectionality no-no.

Amber A'Lee Frost, a Medicare for All proponent and prominent DSA member known for co-hosting the left-wing Chapo Trap House podcast, hit back, accusing her critics of trying to sabotage the movement with their "pathological anti-social behavior." This made matters much worse: The comment was perceived as an attack on the autistic community.

Frost had committed ableism. Several dozen DSA members signed a petition demanding that she "immediately remove herself from any involvement, official or unofficial, with DSA's Medicare for All campaign, and should she not, that she be removed." This was necessary, because intersectionality means casting suspicion on organizing efforts if these efforts do not make the marginalized the center of attention.

No one should come away from the coverage of the DSA convention with the idea that attendees did nothing but call out each other's pronouns, though. Listening to the livestream, I heard heated discussions about significant policy issues: criminal justice reform, supporting the presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), and combating "Lex Luthor–esque scumbag Jeff Bezos." Of all the various factions of progressive activism, the DSA is by far the most organized, and the least likely to be derailed by culturally woke signaling.

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  1. “Lex Luthor–esque scumbag Jeff Bezos.”

    Well, it’s nice to know that the DSA and I can agree on one thing, anyway.

    1. Yet, but do they have a corporate Prime account?

    2. Nigga please, Bezos isn’t fit to lick the sweat off of Luthor’s Balls.

      1. Gene Hackman being the definitive Lex Luthor.

        1. I prefer the animated version from the various Bruce Timm DC Animated Universe series. Voiced by the great Clancy Brown.

    3. “Of all the various factions of progressive activism, the DSA is by far the most organized, and the least likely to be derailed by culturally woke signaling.” Seriously I was just getting to like Robbie. After this silliness he goes back to being a progressive turd.

  2. these people are just sad. As self masturbatory as libertarians and anarchists can be at least they get bogged down in actual meaningless policy debates, these people can’t even agree on a common syntax before they get there.

    1. Just one point: if it isn’t self- it isn’t masturbatory.

      Carry on.

    2. What is irksome is Robby actually takes these clowns seriously.

      Would he spend a moment trying to grasp the political philosophy of Richard Spencer? It’s no less asinine than THESE morons.

  3. Damn, I’ll need to keep an eye out for the next DSA convention so I can be sure to attend. I’m going to stand up in the middle of the convention and start screaming that I can tell by the smell that somebody in the auditorium has been eating meat and demand that everybody be required to go out and brush their teeth so I’m not triggered by knowing I’m surrounded by animal-killing savages.

    1. That is actually inspiring. I need to come up with a trigger or two of my own.

      1. How about speaking in English? They shouldn’t be using the language of the oppressors.

        1. Imagine working one of these looter conventions as an interpreter.

          1. Wow, I never thought of that. How could you translate in to German or French or Italian without using gendered nouns?

            1. Nazi, literally Nazi, you do know Germany and Italy were fascist as was Vichy France. I can’t even… Nazi considered yourself virtually punched

      2. I’m triggered by the word “comrade”.

        1. Funny, I was triggered by the word “comradely”. Yes, that adjective was used several times. LOL!

    2. Oh to be a comrade fly on the wall…

      1. If only. Flies usually die within a couple of days.

          1. Against the wall

            1. Ok, these three comments win for the month!

    3. Or you could cut to the heart of the matter and scream that you are triggered because you are surrounded by savages that kill humans by the millions.

      1. Better to murder than to other, I guess? They should ask Pol Pot.

        Seriously, these hyper-privileged retards make me physically ill. They are no less ignorant than young children, and more dangerous.

    4. For your own safety, avoid appearing at DSA in clothes made from GMO plants, dead animals or fossil fuel fibers, and carry a copy of the Septrember issue of VOGUE/i> with you at all times.

      https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2019/07/new-conde-nast-climatogy-journal-for.html

    5. Just stand up and scream, “WHO FARTED!?” Then launch into a tirade about how everyone needs to respect your demands of air quality.

  4. “The comment was perceived as an attack on the autistic community.”

    Ahahahahah no no, go with that, you’re definitely woke if someone says “anti social” and you immediately think they’re talking about autists and aspies like Chipper ahahahhajajaj

    1. I’ve noticed the “dumbing down” of the word “austistic”. I used to mean someone incapable of social interaction, among other things. But now people want to be victims so they expanded the word to mean a spectrum. Meaning anyone can be austistic because the spectrum can include everyone.

      Austist socialists weren’t complaining about anti-social language because complaining is a social act. Instead you had aspies pretending to be austists for the extra points it granted them.

      Welcome to the depths of the intersectional void, where Cthulhu lays sleeping.

      1. The change in terminology from “Asperger’s” to “autism spectrum” was initiated by doctors, I’m pretty sure, not by “aspies” themselves, who probably did not welcome it.

        1. Now, there’s something to aspire to.

      2. The Spectrum gives anyone a chance at oppression status and marginalization of their very favorite kind: “Cost free”. If you’re just “on the Spectrum”, you get to define the nature and degree of ‘impairment’ you suffer. It’s like being 1/1000th black, like me. You racists.

        1. Oh, sorry…that’s “Hee-Hee, hymn” pronouns.

        2. I don’t think you understand the spectrum. And it isn’t a fucking impairment except to assholes like you who want to place us in a fucking box and dismiss us. I don’t want a fucking handout but a little understanding would be nice. Not demanding it nor expecting it. Nor do I care what you fucking call me. But all the same, take your bullshit psychobabble and ram it up your ass. Yes I am pissed, because I dealt with assholes like you my whole life. Hey let’s get the weird kid to throw a fit again, it is so funny and the teacher will tell at him not us. Understanding Autism has made it better for my son who is also on the spectrum. He is much better adjusted then I was. He is also a far happier child. Maybe he won’t go down the road I did, of meaningless sexual relationships, switching jobs every couple of years, moving every couple years, not falling victim to manipulative women who use him and then throw him away. Not bordering on alcohol abuse and tobacco addiction. But yeah, it is all bullshit that we made up you figured it out. We don’t have any problems, it is all a conspiracy. Fuck, yeah it is just like Elizabeth Warren claiming to be Cherokee, damn you saw through our subterfuge.

          1. No offense intended (but which I’m sure will be taken), but welcome to the world. Meaningless sexual relationships (well I wouldn’t know because I didn’t get laid all that often), switching jobs every couple of years (worked for Delphi auto parts supplying GMC in Detroit. Downsize, layoff, regroup, repeat) and to be honest, I wasn’t sure there was any other kind of woman but manipulative. But don’t restrict it by gender, men are just as manipulative. And family just makes it extra special. Bordering on alcohol abuse? Hell Anheuser Busch sent me Christmas coupons I drank so much. I couldn’t smoke because of my asthma so you get the ribbon for that.

          2. Defective humans should be culled, not breeding. Whatever they are called.

      3. Yes, because high Asperger’s and high functioning Autistic do not need assistance. It is because we want to be victims. Fuckwad! It isn’t like we have major, documented problems with employment, drug and alcohol abuse, maintaining relationships, have high rates of depression and suicide etc. It isn’t because fuckwads like you want to pretend we are just faking it. You look fairly normal I don’t believe you have Autism. You have a job and a wife and make eye contact, you can’t have Autism. You just want a handout. Your faking. Yes, we’ve heard it all. I almost didn’t go to my ADA coordinator because of dickheads like you. I don’t want to be seen as taking advantage of the system. BTW yes I wasn’t diagnosed until I was 43, but that is because of a misunderstanding of what my problems were. Instead I was labeled a trouble child with anger control issues, was tested for retardation (my IQ is in the upper 130s and low 140s). The said it was my own fault that I couldn’t control myself. They let other kids set and pick on me until I had an outburst, and then the teacher disciplined me. I was called a war monger by a teacher, because I was obsessed with fighter planes and the military history. During pioneer days a teacher made me put on the since cap and set in front of the classroom before class even started because me and my friend Gene were talking football in line to enter the classroom. He was doing most the talking but somehow he never got in trouble for it. In fact she told his parents I was a bad influence, wasn’t going to amount to much and dragging his grades down (I had the better grades BTW). It was common for teachers to make me sit by myself in a corner of the classroom (when they other kids got to sit in working groups). One teacher taped my mouth shut. Another accused me of lieng about being able to read King Arthur and The Knights of the Round Table in 3rd grade (by testing I was already reading at a 12th grade level by that time, and by 4th grade I was reading at a college level). Yes I am just doing this to feel like the victim. Fuck off. I don’t want your sympathy and I don’t need your condescension about shit you know nothing about.

  5. Uh, point of personal privilege!

    Hi…. Cyto….. He/Him….

    None of you good folks announced your preferred pronouns at the beginning of your comment. This is not OK. We all need to do a better job of inclusion, so that Xe or Xerself will not feel othered by having to specify pronoun.

    Thank you. (Jazz Hands)

    1. So, could it be- Hi, I’m Trainer, she/it/him?

      1. I don’t give a he-she-it

        1. IIUC your local pharmacy has over-the-counter meds for constipation! Just sayin… 😉

    2. I prefer that people of color refer to me as “massa” or “boss”. If they refuse to do so they are literally erasing me.

    3. Aren’t “Jazz Hands” both cultural appropriation and insensitive toward amputees?

      1. And Yakuza. Well, the bad ones anyway.

    4. Keepin ya guessin. Does that trigger you?

  6. You can’t wave banners but you can wave your hands. Don’t they know that jazz hands are a trigger for everyone who’s had a stage mom? Musical Theatre PTSD, y’all*.

    * Y’all is genderless so it shouldn’t be an issue, right?

    1. Aren’t jazz hands an alt-right signal?

      1. I do not now know nor have I ever known if jazz hands are an alt right signal.

      2. I’ve seen some born-again religious folks waving their hands in about the same manner. Are the “pro-jazz-hand” folks aware of this disturbing similarity?

        1. Isn’t it cultural appropriation of deaf clapping?

          1. Or did the Deaf appropriate it from jazz?

      3. Jazz hands are an alt-right-turn signal. It’s a common mistake.

    2. Wave your hands in the air like you just don’t care…

      1. Word up

    3. Clearly offensive to people without hands.

      1. That, and the irritating sound of one hand clapping…

    4. * Y’all is genderless so it shouldn’t be an issue, right?

      But it is clearly white southern racist, so please cancel all your social media accounts and report for reeducation.

    5. Y’all is genderless so it shouldn’t be an issue, right?

      But if you’re not from the South it’s cultural appropriation.

    6. Are you Southern? If not, stop appropriating our culture.

    7. Y’all could be confusing depending on the part of the country from which one derives. Some areas use y’nes short for you ones. Although youse guys is definitely out!!!

  7. “Guys… please keep the chatter to a minimum,”

    Go het he/him! Kick he/his ass!!!

    1. Pretty triggering to mutes and those without teeth

    2. They best not visit the Pacific Northwest or the upper midwest, guys is how just about everyone refers to a group of people or you guys. Very few bat an eye, even some of my most progressive acquaintances use the term.

      1. Not very woke of them. 😉

  8. “Guys… please keep the chatter to a minimum,” because he is “very prone to sensory overload.”

    Real socialists wouldn’t have put up with a guy like this putting his own needs above the party.

    1. If (historically) real socialists took over the country, everyone at this conference would have much more important things to worry about.

      1. Why? Their lives don’t seem particularly important

      2. Pretty much their worry will be reduced to what cigarette brand to ask for as they are put up against the wall.
        They obviously consider that it would end up differently then it did for Robespierre and Trotsky.

        1. Damn it. There you go again, throwing out historical facts! 🙂

  9. For those who are baffled by this pointless squabbling over language – head over to the Reason Soho Forum to hear the debate on Post Modernism.

    I wasn’t aware of the roots of the philosophy. Once you hear what they are about, it makes a lot more sense. And also… holy crap, they have a mindset that is just… horrific.

  10. “But it wasn’t all woke one-upmanship—they also discussed public policy.”

    Nonsense. It WAS all woke one-upmanship. Policy discussions included. Everything out of the mouths of these oils is woke one-upmanship. That’s what they BREATHE.

  11. I’m waiting for them to confiscate phones and cameras so no one can video.

  12. It’s conscientious people like this who need to determine the distribution of goods and services in society.

    1. I was thinking the same thing as I watched. They couldn’t centrally plann their own agend , let alone mine or anyone elses. Christ, what a slow-motion train-wreck.

  13. “””which showed attendees objecting to clapping, disruptive chatter, and the use of gendered language on grounds that all of these things were triggering”‘

    Wait, so they find disruptive chatter triggering? Isn’t disruptive chatter a tactic of theirs? I would not be surprise if these are the kind of people who will treat you a particular way, but complain if they are treated that way.

    1. “I would not be surprise if these are the kind of people who will treat you a particular way, but complain if they are treated that way.”

      They’re EXACTLY the kind of people who will treat you a particular way, but complain if they are treated that way.

  14. These DSA people deserve ridicule of course.

    But so do conservative Bible-beaters who gather weekly to talk about depriving people of liberty while they create a Christian/Muslim theocracy.

    1. You just triggered my first fuck off of the day.

      1. Yeah, I asked for it. Only conservatives are allowed to post here now.

        1. Dude, your kiddie porn fetish is not welcome here.

          1. Your stupid distraction of calling all classic liberals “pedophiles” is not working. Your beloved GOP is filled with pedos from “Hastert to Roy Moore.

            1. You admitted it. The thread where you admitted it is still up.

              Stop trying to gaslight you sick fuck.

            2. “Your stupid distraction of calling all classic liberals “pedophiles””

              Need help carrying that strawman?
              Nobody called classic liberals anything of the sort. They called a fucking lefty known as turd a “pedophile”, turd.

            3. No, we call people who post kiddie prom links here pedophiles.

              Like you Kiddie Raper. Now kill yourself before you molest another little boy.

    2. These dithering faggots will never get anything off the ground. Their kind of bullshit always implodes.

      Although it would have been kind of funny to drop a missile loaded with sarin gas on the whole thing.

      1. Naw. Just one good beer & boiled eggs release of greenhouse gas (CH4) from the lower end of the alimentary canal would do the trick!

    3. BOTH SIDES!

  15. Not starting the meeting with the announcement of an *exhaustive* list of triggers to be avoided should be considered triggering.

  16. FRANCIS: Yeah. Thank you, Reg. Well, quite frankly, siblings, I think five years is optimistic, unless we can smash the Roman empire within the next twelve months.
    REG: Twelve months?
    FRANCIS: Yeah, twelve months. And, let’s face it. As empires go, this is the big one, so we’ve got to get up off our arses and stop just talking about it!
    COMMANDOS: Hear! Hear!
    LORETTA: I agree. It’s action that counts, not words, and we need action now.
    COMMANDOS: Hear! Hear!
    REG: You’re right. We could sit around here all day talking, passing resolutions, making clever speeches. It’s not going to shift one Roman soldier!
    FRANCIS: So, let’s just stop gabbing on about it. It’s completely pointless and it’s getting us nowhere!
    COMMANDOS: Right!
    LORETTA: I agree. This is a complete waste of time.
    bam
    JUDITH: They’ve arrested Brian!
    REG: What?
    COMMANDOS: What?
    JUDITH: They’ve dragged him off! They’re going to crucify him!
    REG: Right! This calls for immediate discussion!
    COMMANDO #1: Yeah.
    JUDITH: What?!
    COMMANDO #2: Immediate.
    COMMANDO #1: Right.
    LORETTA: New motion?
    REG: Completely new motion, eh, that, ah– that there be, ah, immediate action–
    FRANCIS: Ah, once the vote has been taken.
    REG: Well, obviously once the vote’s been taken. You can’t act another resolution till you’ve voted on it…

  17. “It is widely believed within progressive circles that the oppressed are the sole experts on their own oppression and that deference should be given to the most marginalized groups.”

    Got that? Only the blind can lead the blind.

    1. By that logic, wouldn’t they need some true capitalists to understand how capitalism works, and should not be allowed to comment on it?

      1. Capitalists are not oppressed. It’s the oppression that is important.

    2. Sighted people are oppressors, and for the sake of humanity must wear blindfolds when out in public. Clearly the world they have created that panders to the sighted is ableist.

    3. At the very least, the opinions of people who think that white male Christian heterosexuals are the most oppressed group should be dismissed with prejudice, I’m sure we agree.

      1. Yes, I’m sure there are many in the DSA who feel exactly that way, tony.

        Wait, what were we talking about?

        Haha

  18. You could have save me a lot of time by just shortening this article to:

    “Hey, I wrote a book. Didja know I wrote a book? Buy my book.”

  19. Listening to the livestream I heard heated discussions about significant policy issues…

    The way that ideas are presented matters. These kooks should resolve themselves to their oblivion.

  20. Stupid pussies should be time-machined back to Russia in 1917.

  21. All the “I’m more than you are” oneupsmanship sounds a lot like a Libertarian convention….

  22. It’s difficult, of course, to impose total silence on a political action conference.

    Yes, but it’s still worth a try.

  23. Frost had committed ableism. Several dozen DSA members signed a petition demanding that she “immediately remove herself from any involvement, official or unofficial, with DSA’s Medicare for All campaign, and should she not, that she be removed.” This was necessary, because intersectionality means casting suspicion on organizing efforts if these efforts do not make the marginalized the center of attention.

    It’s hard not to chuckle when they get dragged in front of their own firing squads.

  24. Well, I at least agree no one should be applauding these clowns – – – –

  25. This is nothing new. Look at how the Spanish Civil war ended. The left split into two factions which began each other instead of Franco.

  26. These are the people you idiots are so afraid of?

    At least our radicals don’t shoot up malls.

    1. Have you seen the bio of the shooters?

      Try again.

      The last couple were left-wing dirtbags.

      I still don’t get this ‘right-wing extremism’ because all I see is left-wing shit heads from Antifa to that clown in Oregon who tried to shoot up a centre.

      1. The guy who killed 21 people because he was against race mixing is a lefty?

        Remind me when the last time Antifa killed anyone.

        Antifa. Jesus Christ. It’s the only word one needs to tell a FOX News junkie. It’s so fucking dumb.

        1. the Dayton shooter was a Warren/Bernie/Antifa bot you stupid low IQ puppet

          1. That may be true. Were his motives political? Did Warren and Bernie say something to encourage him? Is this pathetic talking point meant to absolve the alt-right and its leader of all responsibility actually convincing to you?

          2. That one is unambiguous. The El Paso shooter had more complex motivations. He had an Andrew Yang-inspired fear of automation replacing all the jobs, and a Malthusian belief that there are too many humans making pollution and shit. On the racism part, he claimed to have been convinced by The Great Replacement that the Mexicans are the real problem, but something about it rang hollow to me. It read like a parody of right-wing beliefs written by a lifelong lefty. So I can’t rule out the possibility that he too was an AntiFaggot desperate to make Trump look bad.

            1. Please, for the love of God, keep this crap on Breitbart.

              1. “Any skepticism of my belief system belongs on Breitbart”

                1. Nope, just false flag conspiracy theories about mass shootings. And a few other things.

                  1. And for evidence, we have the absolute certainty that shitbag here believes it to be so!

    2. Whackos who shoot up malls don’t have the power of the state and academia behind them.

      1. This state? The one run by Trump? The one that permits a person to own a weapon than can blow a two-foot hole in someone?

        1. Yes, that one. The state with a massive bureaucracy educated and indoctrinated by leftist academics.

          1. Trump was not educated.

            1. Trump has a bachelor’s degree in economics from Wharton, but, of course, you know that’s not what I was talking about. The government bureaucracy is dominated by people with social science degrees from schools with predominantly leftist faculty. That doesn’t change when a new president is elected.

              1. Well, this supremely educated fucktard is possibly the president with the least interest in listening to his bureaucracy, up to and including his core staff, so things should be better than ever. But of course any problem his supreme beefy orangeness doesn’t deem a priority is not a priority to you, so that should be just fine.

                If academia, science, journalism, the arts, and any decent restaurant are dominated by liberals, maybe conservatives need to try harder.

                1. Or maybe conservatives just have a different idea of what is important.

                2. his bureaucracy, up to and including his core staff

                  Presidential appointees are not part of the permanent bureaucracy. Are you really ignorant of that or are you playing dumb?

                  1. He still ignores him.

                    Do you think he’s the smartest man of all time? The one president who didn’t need any advice?

                    Is that what counts as a “different idea” conservatives have?

                    1. I’m going with really ignorant.

                    2. I’m going with “needs someone to wipe his own ass but can’t afford it.”

                  2. That sure is one false dichotomy ya got there…

  27. The comment was perceived as an attack on the autistic community. Frost had committed ableism

    Is feminism autism?

  28. Isn’t the word “triggering” itself triggering? You’d think they’d be more sensitive.

    1. It provokes me.

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    2. stop it, that word offends me. I prefer “asynchronous-event” as it is gender neutral and not a part of a gun.

    3. Hush- you might scare Roy Rogers horse.

  29. In addition, inhaling and exhaling at the democratic socialist of America convention was considered triggering.
    The guilty parties were all taken out in an alley and beaten by the Antifa thugs as a lesson to the others.
    Keep that in mind next time you start breathing around a democratic socialist.

  30. Absolutely surreal. People have become completely unhinged from reality.

  31. “Of all the various factions of progressive activism, the DSA is by far the most organized, and the least likely to be derailed by culturally woke signaling.”

    I’d take that bet.

  32. I am shocked (ie triggered, the new game of sadistic pleasure in causing suffering in others) by the overt racism and gullible acceptance of the Fake headline about DSL renouncing chatter. Here is the evidence provided: “”Guys… please keep the chatter to a minimum,”
    Shocking!

  33. In other words it’s about as looney as the (capital)Libertarian annual conventions isn’t it. lol

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  37. Not only are these people incredibly uptight (I mean, whatever happened to the “live and let live” Left?), they are obviously insane.

  38. But did everyone keep their clothes on?

    If so, they’ve got the Libertarians beat.

  39. “Amber A’Lee Frost, a Medicare for All proponent and prominent DSA member known for co-hosting the left-wing Chapo Trap House podcast, hit back, accusing her critics of trying to sabotage the movement with their “pathological anti-social behavior.” This made matters much worse: The comment was perceived as an attack on the autistic community.”

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