Election 2020

Tonight's Democratic Debate Will Be Long on Personal Attacks and Increased Government

Most Democratic candidates are to the left not just of Americans but of their own party.

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The only truly memorable moment from the first round of Democratic presidential debates came when Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.) called out former Vice President Joe Biden for having objected to mandatory busing to desegregate schools back in the 1970s. She acknowledged a few days later that she actually agreed with Biden's underlying position: Biden didn't think the federal government should be dictating local school policy, which is also exactly Harris's stance. But in the moment, that didn't matter. Her seemingly heartfelt confrontation of the frontrunner—and his bumbling, doddering response—allowed her to vault into the the top tier of candidates.

As the second round of Democratic debates unfolds over tonight and tomorrow, expect more candidates, especially lower-polling ones, to pounce less on Donald Trump and more on their Democratic counterparts, especially Biden, who enjoys leads ranging from 13 points to 27 points in various polls of voters in early states. Especially over the past few weeks, Trump has delivered his critics an embarrassment of riches in the form of hostile, racist tweets directed at various Democratic members of Congress. But the serious contenders realize if they want to square off against the president, they must first win the Hunger Games that is their own party's nominating process.

Tonight's debate starts at 8 p.m. ET and can be viewed on CNN. As before, the 20 participants will be split into two groups debating on consecutive nights. Tonight's lineup includes motivational author Marianne Williamson, Rep. Tim Ryan (D–Ohio), Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.), South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.), former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke, former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, former Maryland Rep. John Delaney, and Montana Gov. Steve Bullock. The debate will be moderated by Dana Bash, Don Lemon, and Jake Tapper.

Sanders and Warren are the most consistently left-wing major candidates running for the nomination. They support similar plans to grow the size, scope, and spending of the government, and they describe the U.S. economy as fundamentally unfair to all but the top 1 percent. That ideological overlap, along with the fact they both hail from the Northeast and need strong showings early in New Hampshire, suggest they will go at it tonight—all while bashing Biden, who appears tomorrow alongside his nemesis Harris. For formerly hot candidates such as Beto O'Rourke, tonight may be make-or-break time, as he tries to regain the momentum that landed him on the cover of Vanity Fair and drew taunts of "Skateboard Jesus." Buttigieg has raised a ton of money but remains stuck at around 6 percent. These sorts of candidates need to start making themselves more memorable.

The tension in this week's debates will not be limited to personal attacks. There's a deep disconnect between almost all of the candidates and actual rank-and-file Democrats. As the candidates lay out more and more liberal programs—Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free college for all, reparations for slavery and for gay couples who couldn't get married until a few years ago, health care for undocumented immigrants, a Green New Deal—Democratic voters are saying they want a more moderate party. Earlier this year, Pew Research found that 53 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters agreed that they "would like to see their party move in a more moderate direction." Just 40 percent wanted it to move in a more liberal direction. Late last year, when Gallup asked the same question, 54 percent wanted a more moderate party, compared to 41 percent calling for a leftward lurch (other analyses show that, for instance, a vast majority of Democrats are against getting rid of private health insurance while a number of top candidates are calling for single-payer). Former Obama apparatchik Paul Begala fears that the nominating process has become "some kind of purity game to see who can be the most leftist." He and others worry that they very thing that leads to success in the short run will make it harder for the Democratic nominee to win in a general election.

In the long run, that disconnect between the party's candidate and its voters will be more important to the 2020 election than any of the gotcha dramas that play out in tonight's and tomorrow's debates.

 

 

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  1. ¿Quién es más macho?

    1. Go back to where you came from / sarc.

    2. More like quien es menos macho?

  2. Hey what could possibly go wrong pandering to a bunch of crazy, woke, white people who will probably forget to vote anyway?

    1. I don’t know John: those crazy woke whites would hardly miss a chance to virtue signal; I understand the voting booth is their favorite place to do that. And then it’s back to the burbs where they think they will never reap any actual consequences.

      1. woke whites would hardly miss a chance to virtue signal; I understand the voting booth is their favorite place to do that.

        You every been on Twitter? Facebook? Seen a yard sign?

        1. Bumper stickers. Don’t forget the bumper stickers. Come on man COEXIST AND RESIST!!!

    2. It doesn’t matter all these positions will be memory holed by the general.

    3. Let’s hope they do forget to vote.

    4. Sanders and Warren are the most consistently left-wing major candidates running for the nomination.

      That’s what I thought too. Except, if you watch the Stossel piece, you find out Kamala Harris crushes everyone else in socialism spending – even Bernie Sanders!
      I’ve been predicting tonight’s blood bath since Harris went up in the polls a coupld days after the last debate. With 20 candidates (so far) this could be the most fun we’ve had in an election in 100 years.

      Let the slaughter begin!

  3. It seems the e Dems are running for god emperor. And tax dollars are their spice.

    1. Adans smith wrote, “And tax dollars are their spice.”

      The spice must flow!

  4. “Her seemingly heartfelt confrontation of the frontrunner—and his bumbling, doddering response—allowed her to vault into the the top tier of candidates.”

    Let that sink in. She attacked a man for having the same position as she does, and was successful. She gained in the polls, through directly misrepresenting what she believed.

    If we had journalists instead of propagandists, her run would be over. Instead, she might win the nomination.

    1. That the press carried that mendacious lie for a week before even asking her if she supports busing tells you everything you need to know about who the preferred candidate is.

      1. “Their” [MSM] preferred candidate

        1. You could just show your appreciate for this country and its citizens instead of making corrections. Goddamn Roman’s should go back to Rome. Romanes eunt domus

          1. Carthago delinda est

            1. Never heard that on the Cato podcast.

      2. Leftists where I live have said they think the ideal ticket is Harris-Buttigieg. They won’t come right out and say it, but I suspect at least part of the reason is that they would regard the pair as immune to criticism; any criticism of the ticket would be sexist, racist, and homophobic, all at the same time.

        1. It doesn’t have to be so, but it would be so. Trumpublicans are just that fucking stupid.

          1. Yet you still have a third of their brainpower. Your dim little brain couldn’t light up an easy bake oven.

            1. Well, you’re here, so presuming you’re not commenting from prison, you’ve managed to stay free while committing what must be a positive orgy of serial killing and associated grotesqueries. Let it not go unsaid that you are clever.

              1. Tony, if I actually racked up anywhere near the body count you imagine in your dark fantasies, don’t you think you should be living in mortal fear of me? If you are actually right, than I am clearly a genius of Lecter-like proportions. Which would mean tracking you down personally would be a relatively mundane task.

                Sleep tight Tony.

                1. I do need some more excitement in my life.

        2. Generalization and guilt by association is the new way. Critical thinking is racist, sexist, and homophobic.

        3. Kamala doesn’t exactly have strong black support. And Buttgieg has no black support. Honestly it’s going to be a Biden or Warren at the top with Kamala or some non politician at the bottom. Harris’s gains have been wiped out over the past week I don’t think she’s all that ready for prime time yet.

          1. White guy top ticket / Minority bottom ticket is a sure fire winner; just ask Mondale and Ferraro.

  5. motivational author Marianne Williamson

    Since “sickness is an illusion and does not actually exist” perhaps she would clean up the healthcare mess.

  6. hostile, racist tweets

    Hostile? Maybe. Racist? Nope.

    they describe the U.S. economy as fundamentally unfair to all but the top 1 percent

    Indeed, leftists love the poor. That is why they are intent on making more of them.

    1. Can we just stipulate that Dems and their nut huggers (looking at you Gillespie) are going to call any criticism racist and just move on?

  7. Most Democratic candidates are to the left not just of Americans but of their own party and themselves, come the general election.

    1. Last time Maddow cried on the air; this time around I want to watch her do herself in. Or at least go back to where somebody came from.

      Does this qualify as hate speech? I’m thinking it probably does.

      1. Neither logic nor reason is hateful – – – –

      2. I can see the headline…..

        “Rachel Maddox deported to Sweden. Says she’s not from there”

  8. Most Democratic candidates are to the left not just of Americans but of their own party.

    They do it because they know it will never matter. All these positions will totally change by the general election and the press will proceed gaslight the american people about it whenever it’s brought up in attack ads by the republicans or Donald Trump.

    1. For now it is all about winning the primary, and appealing to the media and the twitter crowd. And I think you are absolutely right; get ready for some serious gas when it’s time to “close ranks” in order to defeat the orange guy. Free college, reparations, shutting down insurance companies, you say? Never heard of such a thing, you vile deplorable!

  9. Who watches this debate crap?

    1. Socialists who are interested in the power of political office.
      Socialists who have to put out articles and media posts the next day.
      Narcissistic, socialist, media personalities who need to know their ‘reporting’ was just.
      Black shirt fascists who need to know the next target for street violence.
      That’s who watches.

      1. I’m tempted to take a recording afterwards and then edit it to add a 1970’s style sitcom laugh track.

      2. Me, both because I need a laugh, have no social life, and want to be educated on what these clowns are saying if I need to debate someone.

  10. “As the candidates lay out more and more liberal programs—Medicare for All, student debt forgiveness, free college for all, reparations for slavery and for gay couples who couldn’t get married until a few years ago, health care for undocumented immigrants

    We Koch / Reason libertarians should consider endorsing Medicare for All, as long as immigrants get it too. Since our priority is always #ImmigrationAboveAll, any policy that makes the US a more attractive destination for immigrants deserves our support.

    #VoteDemocratForOpenBorders

    1. Do you never consider that having a brown neighbor might not be the most pressing issue in the whole goddamn world?

      1. Annnnd Tony the idiot racist fails to get the long-running OBL joke.

        Tune in tomorrow as Tony fails to understand the sun setting in the west, pudding, and science.

        1. Am I wrong that OBL’s shtick is to criticize libertarians who dare to advocate for liberty for Latino people?

          1. If by “liberty” you mean, allowing anyone to illegally to come here and squat in the US with no restrictions or qualifications, as well as the right to grab as much free bennies as they can, courtesy of the US taxpayers, maybe.

            But I fail to see how his *parody* of the free-shit brigade supporters has anything to do with race. Does the fact that Laitnix people (you should be reported for using the gendered “Latino”) make up the majority of said brigade imply that a license to squat and get free shit is a racial issue? Opposing unlimited squatting and taxpayer-sponsored free shit for said squatters makes one a racist? Bullshit.

            Saying “minorities cannot compete without the assistance of the government” — which you specifically did — makes you a racist.

            1. My point remains: your concerns are petty, racist, and stupid.

              We have global warming to contend with. Who gives a fuck if your daughter fucks a brown dick.

              1. Right, I forgot, the Earth will become Venus in 10 years, killing all life down to the single-celled level.

                Play that race card you stupid shithead. It’s lowbrow, but I guess that’s really the limit of your thinking.

                DIAF.

                1. So you tell me what the great problem is with migrants from South America and the southern part of North America. What is the problem, really?

                  1. What is the problem, really?

                    That they don’t care about Global Warming?

                    1. Funny, because one of the core causes of the migration pattern is global warming.

                    2. Funny, because one of the core causes of the migration pattern is global warming.

                      You’ll believe anything at all, won’t you.

                    3. And you’ll believe whatever Tucker Calrson queefs, won’t you?

                    4. Reminder for the kiddies:

                      Global Warming is manifesting primarily at the poles, and primarily in less-cold winters rather than in higher temperatures in summer.

                      Despite left-wing propaganda to the contrary Global Warming has never been found to cause droughts.

                      Global Warming has impacted the areas to which Tony refers pretty much not-at-all.

                      But there’s a Narrative to maintain, so damn it all.

                    5. And you’ll believe whatever Tucker Calrson queefs, won’t you?

                      Who?

                  2. Queef. He used to be into bow ties.

                  3. “”So you tell me what the great problem is with migrants from South America and the southern part of North America. What is the problem, really?””

                    “”Funny, because one of the core causes of the migration pattern is global warming.””

                    Do you really believe that? Because global warming isn’t a reason for asylum.

              2. Funny, my daughter IS brown. And part yellow too. But yeah, people like me are the racists because we won’t go along with all the socialism.

                1. Do you tell your daughter that her brown skin makes her genetically incapable of being a capitalist?

                  1. Do you tell your daughter that her brown skin makes her genetically incapable of being a capitalist?

                    White liberals love to ladle on the self-loathing, why should non-whites be left out?

                  2. What? Yeah……. no. She’s very bright and has a strong instinct for market economics, even without my influence. Plus I taught her about the Marxist Lie, and standong up to the progtarded at all times. She also knows what weak craven wretches you all are.

                    Tony, you may be a racist, but in my value system, a person’s worth isn’t based on what they are, but rather what they do.

                    This is why I’m awesome and you’re so awful.

              3. “We have global warming to contend with.”

                Your fantasies are not of concern to others.

          2. That’s Latinx, you disgusting cis bigot.

            It’s a real shame Latinx citizens have fewer rights in this country. You would think Marco Rubio or George P Bush would have spoken up by now and demanded another Constitutional amendment

      2. Of course it is. How else can I be sure I’m not living next door to a deplorable?

        White people are terrible. Haha

        1. Tony loves to lecture us about the evils of racism and white people.

          1. Tell me with a straight face that if it were Canadians fleeing to American from poverty and gang violence, you idiots would give a single slippery shit about it.

            1. Yes Tony, racism is terrible. That is why you can never trust whitey.

              1. I’m not impugning the motives of whitey. Just Trumptards.

                1. You are against hatred. That is why you hate half the country.

                  The jokes really do write themselves with you Tony.

                  1. When did I ever say I was against hatred?

                    I do hate much of this country. I hate people who would destroy the global environment because they are too retarded and tribal to put sanity above party. I hate that. I hate the people who act like that. Hate.

                    1. I hate people who would destroy the global environment because they are too retarded and tribal to put sanity above party.

                      Yet you dodge my observations above that your “people who would destroy the global environment because they are too retarded and tribal to put sanity above party” narrative is bullshit.

                      I call upon you once again to show that you are not pig-ignorant on the subject of Global Warming, fully expecting you to disappear again, like you always do.

                    2. I try to keep abreast. What am I ignorant of?

                    3. What am I ignorant of?

                      For starters, you think that Global Warming is driving immigration from tropical regions, where Global Warming is having no effect, to temperate regions, where it’s having some, albeit small, effect.

                      You also keep accusing anyone who doesn’t vote Democrat of “denying the Science,” but I’ve never seen you, in all these years, get even a little bit specific about what “Science” you accuse these people of denying.

                      In fact, you keep referring to some elusive “Consensus,” but I’ve never seen you show any ability to articulate any of the content of this “Consensus.”

                      No offense, but it’s always seemed to all appearances like you don’t know anything about climate science that you didn’t read at Vox.

                    4. Wikipedia is a fine place to start.

                      I ran across a rather laughably whitewashed article on Louis B. Mayer the other day, but the climate change article, what with being somewhat higher profile, is pretty solid.

                      Check it out. It cites sources, if you want to make absolutely sure you’re not buying into weak snake oil.

                    5. Tony, you are one of the most hate filled people here. Hate and avarice. You progtards are always small, petty, and covetous. And all of you are brimming with barely controlled hatred. The only thing restraining you is the fact that if you ever pushed too hard that we could wipe you progs off the map in about a week. Deep down I think you actually grasp that.

                    6. I think you probably couldn’t slowly walk half a mile if your life depended on it.

                      You are right that I have hate. I don’t deny it. I don’t want to commit genocide against my political opponents like you, but I reserve the right not to like people.

                    7. Wikipedia is a fine place to start.

                      *facepalm*

                      And what is that you’re getting from Wikipedia that you believe to be The Consensus?

                      ‘Cos, remember how I asked you a direct question and predicted that you would dodge it just exactly how you did?

                    8. Read something why don’t you.

                      That addresses your specific question. Get back to me when you have the basics on climate change from Wikipedia. I’ll assume you’re not in a position to credibly refute the science.

                    9. That addresses your specific question.

                      Did you not notice the distinct lack of even a single scientific source to support the claim that the Central American drought is being caused by Global Warming?

                      Wouldn’t that fall into my category of ‘left wing propaganda that claims, contrary to science, that Global Warming causes droughts?’

                      It’s been known for a long time that Global Warming makes dry places drier and wet places wetter.

                      Warming aggravates the effects of drought. It does not cause drought. This has been going in the Sahara for literally thousands of years (it was a forest 10,000 years ago).

                      The tropics are not experiencing significant warming. The poles are. “Climate Change” is happening primarily in the Arctic regions, and in the Boreal zone, not in Central America. What’s happening in Central America is just a drought. It’s no more or less glamorous than that.

                    10. Get back to me when you have the basics on climate change from Wikipedia.

                      And I’ll remind you, again, that I was going door to door as a environmental activist telling people about Global Warming about fifteen years before there was any such thing as Wikipedia. I did coursework in climate science (known as “Environmental Science” back then) and have been following its developments ever since.

                      The fact that you’re lecturing me on how I need to get more of my information from Wikipedia is just icing on the hilarious cake you’re feeding me.

                    11. Tony.. since you’re so well versed in climate science let me ask you two simple qualifying questions….

                      Assuming perfect atmospheric absorption and constant volume of the atmosphere… what is the pure temperature delta from a doubling of carbon (bonus question… why is the feedback mechanism estimate double this value accounting for 2/3rds of.the expected growth).

                      What is the primary greenhouse gas on earth?

                    12. “I think you probably couldn’t slowly walk half a mile if your life depended on it.”

                      ????????

                      What a bizarre thing to say. Anyway, no, I work out almost every day. I’m a bit of a fitness buff. Gotta stay strong and fit to remain the unstoppable killing machine you make me out to be.

            2. I read somewhere that there are only 34 million people in Canada. Anyone else seeing a win – win solution here?

              Wonder if they’ll go for it? Haha

              1. They are really nice people.

  11. Trump is trolling again…

    Trump Campaign Expects to Sell $500K Worth of ‘Trump Straws’ by Next Week.

    For $15, plus shipping, conservative consumers can now buy a pack of 10 identical and reusable red plastic drinking straws. Each comes laser engraved with “Trump” on the side, all are manufactured in the USA, and every purchase counts as a political contribution to the reelection campaign of the 45th president of the United States of America.

    The Trump campaign ordered 200,000 straws last week, then scrambled to order more when the first batch sold out. They told RealClearPolitics they expect sales to exceed half-a-million dollars by early next week.

    https://tinyurl.com/yxfvs3by

  12. Sanders has the look you get when people steal your topic and argue about it as if you’re not in the room.

    1. He always looks crazy. In your gut you know he is nuts.

      1. Worked for Barry….Not.

  13. Democrats tack left in the primaries and Republicans go right.
    It’s as old a the parties themselves.

  14. Tonight’s Democratic Debate Will Be Long on laughs from officious nanny state wannabe tyrants.

  15. Watching this would be as much torture as if this site allowed only Tony to post.
    I’ll let someone take one for the team.

    1. You need to expand your media consumption.

      Climate change is a hoax? Could you say that again a little louder? I’m not sure the entire internet was made aware of what a fucking retard you are.

      1. Could you say that again a little louder?

        Yeah – he said it so quiet the first time that you couldn’t even hear him.

      2. You need to expand your media consumption.

        Are you saying we should start watching Fox News? You seem to be the only one on this board that actually views it, considering how often you bring it up.

        1. I know, no right-wing nutfuck cops to watching FOX News. Its ratings must be a hoax. And all said nutfucks must be repeating the same lies in the same words by pure coincidence.

          1. Its ratings must be a hoax.

            Could well be hate-watchers like yourself.

            Just sayin’.

            1. I watch to keep up on the talking points. I will confess, the people here don’t drone on about the Antifa menace quite as much as the Ingraham bitch does.

              But I can only watch about five minutes before my head wants to explode from the inane racist stupidity of it all.

              1. I watch to keep up on the talking points.

                You remind me of my mother’s husband. He watches Fox News religiously so that he’ll know “what the Enemy is saying.”

                The very portrait of open-minded inquiry.

          2. Average fox news viewership is 3.5 million or so. About 1% of the population. Is there any subject you arent ignorant about?

        2. Or, it could be that you’re arguing with the caricature in your head again. From The Atlantic:

          Americans who rarely or never follow the news are surprisingly good at estimating the views of people with whom they disagree. On average, they misjudge the preferences of political adversaries by less than 10 percent. Those who follow the news most of the time, by contrast, are terrible at understanding their adversaries. On average, they believe that the share of their political adversaries who endorse extreme views is about 30 percent higher than it is in reality…

          But among Democrats, education seems to make the problem much worse. Democrats who have a high-school degree suffer from a greater perception gap than those who don’t. Democrats who went to college harbor greater misunderstandings than those who didn’t. And those with a postgrad degree have a way more skewed view of Republicans than anybody else.

          Doesn’t really speak well for the value of a college education that a Republican high school dropout is better at understanding people than you are.

        3. Red, OT but it would be totes awesome if you could maybe throw out a little more info on our pal Jason.

          1. No, and don’t ask again.

      3. “Climate change is a hoax? Could you say that again a little louder? I’m not sure the entire internet was made aware of what a fucking retard you are.”

        Shitbag, the issue is a bot more nuanced than an imbecile of your mental capacity is capable of understanding.
        Fuck off and die where you won’t stink up the place.

        1. So it’s not a hoax? Partially a hoax?

          1. Change is always the state of the climate.

            The false assumption is that climate is static within a range that supports human life.

            1. “Change is always the state of the climate.”

              No it’s not.

              Science knows what’s going on. You don’t, and that’s your problem. Stop making it my problem.

              1. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson pointed out that it’s always in a state of change on Cosmos. He drew what looked like a sine wave in the sand to explain it.

                Why are you denying science? Ever hear of the Ice Age?

                1. Okay, and the change in question is specifically the relatively radical change caused by human activity that has nothing to do with historical naturally caused ups and downs. Do you think you’re making a point of some sort?

                  1. the change in question is specifically the relatively radical change caused by human activity

                    Caused by what human activity, exactly?

                    By what objective metrics do you designate “the change in question” as “relatively radical?”

                    Can you link to a study that supports these conclusions? Any study at all?

                    I’ll wait.

                    1. The burning of fossil fuels, largely, just as might be predicted by any basic understanding of thermodynamics. Again, I resent answering basic questions any kindergartener should know the answers to.

                      Here, Trump’s own NASA.

                      This is embarrassing for you and I don’t like feeling embarrassed for you.

                    2. The burning of fossil fuels, largely

                      And that’s where you step from the 97% “global warming is happening” consensus to the considerably-less-than-50% consensus that fossil fuels are the primary driver.

                      Your link – it doesn’t say what you think it does. If your bedroom is on fire, and you put on a blanket, the blanket will make you warmer. That doesn’t mean it’s the blanket that is causing most of the heat.

                    3. So what is your argument again? The sun exists, thus human-caused climate change is unpossible? Just come out and say what you think you know. Until then I’m going with what current science says.

                      And in case you were wondering, I’m 100% open minded to changes in current science. That’s what it means to be a real skeptic.

                    4. Tony., all you’ve done is prove you dont know what the science says. How many articles have you read or do you stick to journalists feeding you what they say?

                    5. Tony reads one of a number of websites that feed him talking points. He clearly does not understand the underlying science, and I doubt he’s any good at math.

                      And isn’t his background in some kind of bullshit sociology that he wasted a couple of hundred grand for?

                  2. No it’s not radically changing retard. As ice cores go back in time their scope becomes worse and worse averaging over hundreds of years at a time. They dont get year to year inspection or even decadal inspection. Even modern climate yields to 30 year scales to estimate average baselines. We already know there are cycles within a century time period as can be seen in the modern record with a local maximum in the 30s and a local minima in the late 70s. When you extend climate science backwards you average many cycles into a single estimate due to melt refreeze behavior of glacier layers. That is why nobody talks about Manns hickey stick anymore because it is bullshit. It took any white noise source and produced the same graph. Multiple climate experts including Nobel winners have called the hockey stick formulation one of the worst things to happen to climate science and alarmist views.

                    Again you show ignorance tony.

                    1. So you’re saying that billions of tons of carbon dioxide that wasn’t in the atmosphere before but is now causes no measurable effect?

                    2. So you’re saying that billions of tons of carbon dioxide that wasn’t in the atmosphere before but is now causes no measurable effect?

                      He’s saying that climate is more complex than a single factor and is measured in decades, not a few years at a time.

                    3. Even millennia.

      4. Climate alarmist is in fact a hoax. The models have been over projecting warming by almost double. Glaciers are still revealing treeline much farther north than current tree lines tree lines from the optimum period. A period of tremendous population growth. The horror tony, the god damn horror.

  16. Well, they mostly all suck anyway.

    Obama campaigned on cutting the deficit in half then did it. None of these candidates will even mention the deficit (nor will the Dotard).

    https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2014/sep/05/barack-obama/obama-says-he-has-cut-national-deficit-half/

    1. Shut up and go back to using your sock puppets, you degenerate.

    2. Cutting the deficit from a one time stimulus and bailout loaded emergency level is an accomplishment? Damn!

      Haha. The Barry leg humpers will just make up lame reasons to kiss this guys butt. Too funny.

      1. “Cutting the deficit from a one time stimulus and bailout loaded emergency level is an accomplishment? Damn!”

        If turd couldn’t pick cherries, he s couldn’t afford all the kiddie-porn stuff.

    3. It didn’t get cut in half until the republicans took Congress.

    4. The only thing that counts is cutting the total national debt.

      When it come to the federal govt, “deficit” is nothing but an accounting gimmick fairly tale based on the notion that only certain types of spending constitute the “deficit”

    5. Obama massively increased the deficit, normalized the bullshit ‘stimulus’ spending, then when revenues started to recover, no thanks to him, claimed credit for deficit reduction.

      Yeah, he sure did quite a number on the deficit……..

      Also, can you maybe stop raping small children and kill yourself Kiddie Raper?

  17. Debates would be much more fun if the candidates were all in straight jackets and suspended by their feet over a pit of molten lava. And an objective referee panel would drop them a bit each time they told a confirmed lie. (Half a drop for deflecting a question.)

    1. Now that I would watch.

    2. Maybe give the, four or five tabs of some really good LSD ahead of the debate. Although on their case it might only counter their existing dementia.

  18. Just 40 percent wanted it to move in a more liberal direction

    Just 40 percent? That seems awfully high to me. If one in twenty of those polled switched those two viewpoints would be even.

    1. Yeah – and 54% wanting a more moderate party is hardly an overwhelming majority.

  19. Here’s rooting to Marianne….I soooo would like to see her be the Dem nominee. 🙂

    1. In all seriousness, other than Gabbert she is the least crazy of any of them. It is just epic how nuts these people are.

      1. What a shock that you’d endorse the two candidates most likely to show up in a photo at a rubber chicken dinner with Vladimir Putin.

        1. Christ you’re pathetic. The Left in this country has gone full John Birch.

          1. I was harkening back to when Jill Stein and Trump NSA Michael Flynn showed up in a photo at a rubber chicken dinner sitting at the same table as Vladimir Putin.

            Flynn’s probably going to prison soon, but Stein probably did more actual damage.

            1. It will be good when you are put to death for your communism one day.

            2. I was harkening back to when Jill Stein and Trump NSA Michael Flynn showed up in a photo at a rubber chicken dinner sitting at the same table as Vladimir Putin.

              ROUND UP THE REDS!!!

              1. They’re an oligarchy now, but I don’t know why that makes it OK for them to undermine our system of government.

  20. “Especially over the past few weeks, Trump has delivered his critics an embarrassment of riches in the form of hostile, racist tweets directed at various Democratic members of Congress.”

    “Racist tweets”?

    Unless a tweet from Trump (or anyone) EXPLICITLY mentions race, then it’s not racist.
    QED

    1. Everything is racist anymore if any democrat decides they don’t like it.

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