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Penn Law Should Not Fire Amy Wax

The professor's immigration views are wrong, but removing her would compromise academic freedom.

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Pennsylvania Law School Professor Amy Wax is known for generating controversy, and she produced a fresh round of outrage earlier this month when she spoke at the National Conservatism Conference in Washington, D.C.

Wax was accused by Vox's Zack Beauchamp of making "an outright argument for white supremacy." In her remarks at the conference, Wax claimed that the U.S. should be wary of immigrants who do not share the cultural values of native-born Americans. Prioritizing immigrants who do share our values, according to Wax, would mean prioritizing immigrants who come from countries that are disproportionately European, Christian, and white. "Embracing cultural distance, cultural distance nationalism, means in effect taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer nonwhites," said Wax. "Well, that is the result, anyway."

Those who have defended Wax argue that her remarks were not racist because she isn't literally disparaging immigrants for their non-whiteness—she just thinks undesirable immigrants are likely to be non-white. This seems like a distinction without much of a difference.

Whether or not Wax's immigration views may properly be described as racist, they are clearly ignorant. Even from a conservative perspective, it's not necessarily the case that white European nations are the best cultural match for the U.S., as both Rod Dreher and David French have noted.

Criticism of Wax is perfectly fair and well-deserved. But many people—including many Penn students and alumni—want the university to fire her. Students have created several petitions, according to The Daily Pennsylvanian:

Rising first-year Penn Law student Randy Kim, who also signed LALSA's statement, said, "It's outrageous that this person's employment at a private institution is being protected under the guise of protecting scholarly disagreement and free speech."

Wax has tenure, though, which protects her academic freedom. So far, Penn's administration has appeared to recognize that it cannot actually fire her, and instead has resorted to stripping her of mandatory teaching assignments. She will also take a year-long sabbatical.

Kim and 2019 Penn Law graduate Bill Fedullo acknowledged the University's "difficult position" given Wax's status as a tenured professor. Both students, however, said the University should end Wax's teaching duties if she cannot be fired.

"It seems very reasonable to say that she should not be able to teach or interact with any students whatsoever," Kim said.

The thinking here must be that Wax's immigration views are so odious that students should not be required to take any of her classes—that college is meant to be a place where students never feel uncomfortable or offended by the views of their professors. For more about student-activists' attempts to enact this vision of the emotionally "safe" campus, read my new book, Panic Attack: Young Radicals in the Age of Trumpwhich received a rave review in The Guardian this week.

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  1. How about other people stop telling me what my values are supposed to be.

    And if your values are so great, what prevents you from convincing swarthy-skinned people of their virtue?

    Why do people think that swarthy-skinned people are genetically incapable of not being socialists or [insert whatever value is being objected to]?

    Also, what are the values that she objects to, specifically? Catholicism?

    1. Why do people think that swarthy-skinned people are genetically incapable of not being socialists or [insert whatever value is being objected to]?

      Most don’t and she didn’t say that.

      1. All I want to know is what cultural values I, as a European-descended person, have that are the correct values. I’m an atheist liberal gay supremacist. What is it about Latinos that is worse than that, to her mind, do you suppose?

        1. On that point I think you’re exactly right. There’s a lot of reductionism that goes into trying to define American “culture”. The on the ground reality is quite diverse. And the differentiating factors between our “culture” and many others are not anywhere near as striking as what people like Wax believe.

          1. Yes, and surely you can empathize with people who might detect a slight amount of racist dogwhistling going on in the “cultural values” shtick.

            1. On that point, we don’t agree. It’s tiresome and unproductive. Deal with the argument on its face. This dog whistle shit is…for the dogs.

              1. “Everyone wants to go to countries ruled by white Europeans,” she says, citing their “superior” values.

                You’re right. No need to bring dog whistles into this at all.

                  1. Speaking of people who are a danger to themselves and society.

                    1. Yes, Tony, I WAS speaking of Esmeralda/You, I’m glad you got that.

                1. Is she wrong? Are the immigrants and asylum seekers clamoring to move to countries not ruled by white Europeans? Does it hurt your feelings that she is correct?

                  Can you be trained to sit and be quiet when you think you hear a dog whistle?

                  1. That Europeans randomly had a few extra domesticable farm animals ten thousand years ago does not automatically make their values better.

                    In fact, it could be argued that their getting to Africa and the Americans and decimating the extant societies with arms, oppression, and disease, was not the apex of morally laudable behavior.

                    1. So you’re saying you want to be thrown off a building.

                    2. So, the hordes only want to immigrate to white European countries because white Europeans are luckier?

                      Does it make you uncomfortable in your own skin when you say such dumb stuff?

                    3. That Europeans randomly had a few extra domesticable farm animals ten thousand years ago does not automatically make their values better.

                      That’s got to be the dumbest account of history I’ve ever heard.

                      Europe was not a significant locus of world power until the seventeenth century. Recognizing that they would never achieve military conquest of the existing Asian empires, they instead focused on developing better naval vessels and exploring what power could be gained via finance and mercantilism.

                      It was wildly successful and didn’t have anything to do with either cultural superiority or greater depravity. That’s just the way history works.

                      it could be argued that their getting to Africa and the Americans and decimating the extant societies with arms, oppression, and disease, was not the apex of morally laudable behavior

                      Remind me how many Africans were enslaved by white Europeans?

                    4. Lots? Or are white Americans no longer holders of European values for this segment of the debate?

                      Do you even know what point you’re trying to make?

                    5. Lots?

                      Was that in response to “Remind me how many Africans were enslaved by white Europeans?”

                      Because that answer would be incorrect.

                      Note in anticipation of response: I am not saying Europeans are more moral than other races. I am saying they are no different.

                    6. Tony’s to ignorant to realize that extra farm animals isn’t the reason he gets to be gay without persecution in the western world.

                    7. Tony will never admit that white people and brown people are equal.

            2. If you hear a dogwhistle, you must be the dog.

            3. If you keep hearing the dog whistle, it’s because you are a dog. If it’s a racist dog whistle, it’s because you are the racist

              1. Being a racist increases your sense of sound? Hmmm

        2. All I want to know is what cultural values I, as a European-descended person, have that are the correct values.

          Speaking for Wax, which I do purely as a Turing-test-style mental exercise, because I think her view is reductionist and silly, I think she would say that your right to be an atheist (Western-developed rejection of religious thinking that is very uncommon outside the West), gay (also largely not accepted outside the West), and “liberal” (an attitude generally not automatically-uncritically valued outside the West) would be those things.

          1. So deport the Christian conservatives, by far the most powerful group working in active hostility to these values. Deport! I’m all in.

            1. Yeah Tony, Christian conservatives murder gays all of the time and Christian countries not Islamic countries have the death penalty for that. I swear to God the day some Islamic nutcase cuts your head off the last thing that will go through your mind is how the evil Christians are responsible. You are such a deeply broken and twisted man.

              1. Muslim immigrants to America tend, by far, to be quite moderate. If you want more moderate Muslims, invite them here.

                I’m ten thousand times more likely to be harmed by a Christian where I’m from. Take some goddamn responsibility for your own people.

                1. You’re in Oklahoma right?
                  Pretty sure the last thing I heard about Oklahoma was when that Muslim man cut off a few people’s heads

                  1. Let me go on record that I am anti-beheading and anti-religious conservatism in all its flavors.

                    1. No you sad fucking liar, you are all the way down with climate change stupidity. That you don’t recognize it is your religion says everything anyone needs to know about you.

                    2. I’d rather you were a cracked-out sociopath who didn’t also buy into rightwing bullshit, but unfortunately you’re both, and that just makes you boring.

                    3. “I am anti-beheading and anti-religious conservatism in all its flavors.”

                      “We must secure the existence of our climate and a future for human children”

                      It’s your religion. Own it.

                2. You’re a million times more likely to be killed and eaten by someone like Jeffrey Dahmer or killed and discarded by a John Wayne Gacy type. Maybe we should deport you for your own protection.

                3. When they get to be more than about 10% of a local population, very weirdly, they suddenly aren’t so moderate anymore. This has been true in the UK and all over Europe. And now that is beginning to show in parts of Minneapolis and Dearborn.

                  Amazing that the one Somali family in Laramie Wyoming can come across as more moderate than Ilhan Omar

                  1. Whale, it’s not really your place to tell other people what to believe religiously, is it?

                    Or maybe you think it is. What do you want to do about Muslims?

                4. More people are killed by bees than by grizzlies, so I guess you would feel safer locked in a room with a grizzly than a bee.

              2. Well said, but this troll really isn’t worth the effort. He just comes here because, as those white Irish Catholics like to say, “contention is better than loneliness.”

                1. He already admitted his friends hate him.

                  Seriously.

                  1. He thinks we are his friends? That is sad

                  2. Yeah, it actually is sad. But it also reminds us that we should continue to argue with Tony so he doesn’t kill himself.

            2. So deport the Christian conservatives, by far the most powerful group working in active hostility to these values.

              Like I said, I think her ideas are silly and reductionist. I don’t advocate ideological tests for permission to be in a place.

            3. “So deport the Christian conservatives, by far the most powerful group working in active hostility to these values. Deport! I’m all in.”

              Number of times Christian conservatives have murdered gays for being gay? Is it above zero?

              1. I want to get in the middle of a dick measuring contest between conservative Christians and conservative Muslims like I want to stick my dick into a beehive. Fuck all of them. The ones who are the biggest threat to me and everyone I know are the Christians. They outnumber the Muslims, you see, and they have all the power and cultural cred.

                Deport them all.

                1. “I want to get in the middle of a dick measuring contest between conservative Christians and conservative Muslims”

                  Oh dear…your talking point died, huh? Sad.

                2. “I want to get in the middle”

                  You brought it up retard.

                3. Deport them all.

                  And this is where you show the lack of difference between you and those you criticize.

                  1. I like you Square, so I’m going to assume your apparent pathological inability to detect irony is my fault.

                4. You seem to be suffering from a phobia.

                5. So your answer is to import more conservative Muslims, til they are a greater threat. That is your logic

                6. Tony you are a generalist bigot. Most every Christian, including fundamentalist, have absolutely no fucking care in the world about you until you start demanding they accept and celebrate your lifestyle. Yes there are a few dickheads who still think Leviticus should be the law of the land. In their eyes it is the sin not the dinner that is the problem. In fact many Protestant denominations have no problem providing sacrament to homosexuals. Some even allow gay clergy and marriage. Others don’t bother to ask. Your condemning something like 70% of the country because of your feeling of religious superiority. I know a number of Christians who support the same positions as you do.
                  You scream about other people’s bigotry while being a fucking bigot yourself. Maybe if you actually studied Christianity you would understand the importance of the seventh chapter of the book of St. Matthew.

                  1. I had quite enough exposure to the specific daddy-god bullshit of Christianity as a child.

                    They can all fuck off. Religion provides nothing of value to civilization.

                    1. Tony – the proud bigot.

        3. ” I’m an atheist liberal gay supremacist. What is it about Latinos that is worse than that, to her mind, do you suppose?”

          Numbers? I mean, world wide, there are what, three of you?

        4. Tony: What is it about Latinos that is worse than that, to her mind, do you suppose?

          *You* are a tankie, so she would likely consider you *worse* than your average Latin American. And she’d be right.

    2. “How about other people stop telling me what my values are supposed to be.”

      Bake the cake.

      1. You aren’t allowed in my shop because I disapprove of how you were born.

        Armed agents of the state pick one side or the other.

        1. You think people have the right to decide for themselves who they associate (or not) with? That’s a start.

          1. Nobody has that right. You don’t get to go to the county fair and demand that it be rid of everyone you disapprove of.

            And you don’t get to run a shop that is open to the public and reject customers who are black. It’s just civilization, it’s not oppression. Oppression is when the jackbooted agents of the state come to drag you from a shop for being black. We figured this out already.

            1. So… you think some moral values are better than others? Interesting…

              1. Not interesting. Everyone thinks that.

                1. It’s interesting because of the conclusion it leads to- you don’t want people telling you what your values should be, yet you appear to be quite comfortable criticizing theirs.

                  1. I just don’t want to be deported for my values. I fear that I might be somewhere in the middle of that particular slippery slope.

                    But I do have low levels of melanin, so maybe I’m safer than I fear.

                    1. But yet you want to deport 70% of the country, so this is yet another example of the fact that you are what you hate. It’s probably why you hate yourself, Tony. You should think on that.

                  2. Tony is very much a… my Socialist way or zee Gulag.

                    1. It would appear so.

            2. “You don’t get to go to the county fair and demand that it be rid of everyone you disapprove of.”

              Tony, being stupid, doesn’t understand the problem with this idiotic statement.

              1. Tony, being stupid,

                You could have stopped there, Tulpa.

                1. You’re absolutely right and I should have. Fair cop.

            3. And you don’t get to run a shop that is open to the public and reject customers who are black.

              What if a college student group wants to set up a space open to anyone in the public who isn’t white?

              Extra bonus on this particular question is that it refers to something that is, in fact, happening in this country right now.

              1. I’m cool with distinguishing between public accommodations and private clubs.

                1. So a Whites-only private club would be okay?

                  1. They are okay in federal law, indeed.

                    1. They are okay in federal law, indeed.

                      No. They most certainly are not.

                      Are you okay with them?

                    2. Yes they are, and sure. As long as you’re not open to the public, you can discriminate. Since preserving the right of people to keep blacks and women out of their golf clubs is apparently of utmost importance to you, let us be happy that we agree on something.

                2. You do know the fair is a publicly funded event, not a private business, don’t you?

            4. And you don’t get to run a shop that is open to the public and reject customers who are black.

              What if it’s not open to “the public”? What if it has a sign on the door telling you exactly who is and is not allowed into the shop? That’s legal, right?

              1. It’s a legal technicality and no reason to get your panties in a bunch. All you’re doing is defending the rights of bigots to humiliate blacks and gay people. Is this the hill you want to rot on? We litigated this already. You don’t have to be upset: we all agree that running a business does not confer upon the business owner unlimited rights.

                1. “All you’re doing is defending the rights of bigots to humiliate blacks and gay people.”

                  You misspelled property owner.

                  “Is this the hill you want to rot on?”

                  “The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
                  H. L. Mencken”

                  1. Some scoundrels do deserve public sanction. You know, like women who get abortions.

                    1. I couldn’t care less about that, but if you have to distract from the fact that you’re the villain here, go for it.

                2. It’s a legal technicality

                  So is making sodomy illegal.

                  All you’re doing is defending the rights of bigots to humiliate blacks and gay people.

                  No, I’m defending the rights of bigots to associate with whom they choose. If you’re humiliated when a bigot says they don’t want to associate with you, that’s your doing.

                  We litigated this already.

                  You’re begging the question.

                  You don’t have to be upset: we all agree that running a business does not confer upon the business owner unlimited rights.

                  But ownership of property does confer property rights upon the owner, which include the right to determine who may use the property.

                  1. Unless their business is determined to be open to the public, in which case it can’t discriminate. It’s just a law. It has justification behind it. Arguably that justification trumps the “free association” utility you’re in favor of. So all I can say is may the better man win.

            5. The County Fair is a publicly funded and ran position. Your not understanding the difference between public and private.

              1. This is the core issue. Tony does not recognize private property

            6. You don’t get to go to the county fair and demand that it be rid of everyone you disapprove of.

              You do if you own it.

              Isn’t that what you idiots screech about google and facebook and twitter?

              You keep saying that they can “run a shop that is open to the public and reject” whatever customers they want–for whatever reason.

              So why doesn’t it apply in this case?

        2. Tony, if one’s sex is fluid….why in the hell would whom you choose to fuck be the one rigid thing in genetics? Makes little sense.

          Why would “I want to fuck guys” be a characteristic that CANNOT be changed…but “I am a man” can be?

          1. I don’t speak for trans people, so find one and ask zim.

            1. You don’t speak for gays either. You only speak for you. Anyone who believes they speak for a group is already off the rails.

              1. I was president of the gay alliance in college. We didn’t have any out trans people, but I’m sure they were there plotting to make you theoretically uncomfortable.

                1. “president of the gay alliance”

                  The nickname they gave you after the 12 way gang bang you were the recipient of isn’t actually official.

                  1. That nickname was “Tony with the big dick,” for the record.

                    1. Which was also not official.

                      Lollololool you clowned yourself lolololol

                    2. The big dick part was like when people nickname a 7 foot tall, 300 lb biker tiny.

        3. “You aren’t allowed in my shop because I”

          Own it.

          I win.

          1. It’s an argument. One rejected by civilized jurisprudence.

              1. Yeah you’re such a victim. Whine some more. It’s a good look.

                1. That’s what your people said to Dred Scott too lololo

                  You clowned yourself again lololo

            1. You mean like the USSC ruling that stated the state of Colorado has to consider someone’s religious objections before ruling on forcing people to bake a cake? That court decision?

    3. Also, what are the values that she objects to, specifically?

      If I had to take a guess?

      1) Islamism
      2) Socialism
      3) Foreign nationalism

    4. “How about other people stop telling me what my values are supposed to be.”

      Like living? Be glad we don’t have an overly Islamic culture here. Now, if you want to change that whole living thing, then yeah, no need to worry.

    5. Tony, as a sociopath, you have no values of any kind. You don’t count.

    6. Funny you should mention “swarthy” people.

      According to Ben Franklin, only the Saxons and the English are White People. Most other Europeans are of a “Swarthy” complexion.
      https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080
      Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, 1751
      — Ben Franklin
      24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.

  2. Whether or not Wax’s immigration views may properly be described as racist, they are clearly ignorant. Even from a conservative perspective, it’s not necessarily the case that white European nations are the best cultural match for the U.S., as both Rod Dreher and David French have noted.

    That is just wrong. That is not what she said. She never said white European nations. She said people who have middle class values. To interpret that to mean “white European” is to assume that no one else can hold such values, which is quite racist in itself.

    There are not two more dishonest writers on the Right today than Dreyer and David French. Both of them straight up lied about what this woman said.

    And what she said is true. You can see that now with the rise of antisemitism in the Democratic party. Hey let a bunch of immigrants in who are antisemitic and low and behold your country becomes more antisemitic. Who could have seen that?

    1. It took two clicks on the internets for me to find her quote about favoring the culture of, quote, “white Europeans.”

      Among the values she champions: “hard work, self-discipline, marriage, and respect for authority.”

      So at the very least, she’s hardly a libertarian.

      1. he culture of, quote, “white Europeans.”

        So you are saying that only white people can have a culture of “hard work, self-discipline, marriage, and respect for authority” My God you are a racist. Anyone who is not white is apparently some kind of animal who is incapable of self discipline or hard work.’

        You are far and away the worst racist I have ever encountered. I have never met someone who has such a poor view of non whites. Even the worst racists admit some of the other races are okay. But not you Tony. You are an equal opportunity hater.

        1. No, that seems to be what she’s saying.

          I don’t value hard work, self-discipline, and especially marriage, so I don’t give a fuck what color people do. Whoever you are, don’t expect an invitation to one of my parties.

          1. No Tony. She is not saying that. You only think she is because you assume that only white people can have such values. She never says a word about only white Europeans having this culture. She just calls it that but that is not the same thing as thinking only those people can adopt the culture.

            You hear it and automatically assume nonwhites could never adopt European culture and she must mean that. That is appallingly racist Tony.

            1. Pretty sure the Japs and Gooks share that same culture

              1. Also Koreans, but I’m unaware of their pet name

                1. Gook is originally derived from a Korean word. The first usage was during the Korean war and was actually used to distinguish between South Koreans and North Koreans. It was later applied to the Vietnamese too.

                2. During the war they were unkindly referred to as ‘zipperheads’. Although that wasn’t really a racial epithet.

                3. “Slants”

            2. You don’t have to defend her just because she’s a stupid bigoted cunt.

              You really aren’t required to do that.

              1. You need to work on your unconscious racism problem.

                  1. And his antisemitism.

                    1. Amd his desire to see children harmed.

                    2. And his hatred of Libertarians.

              2. Tony, I sometimes like your posts, but you are quite often the most bone-headed person imaginable. Maybe you ought to immigrate to a country not run by white Europeans, then you would have to just shut up.

                1. I live in one run by an (ostensibly) white second-generation European, and he’s a fucking shitshow. Hitler was a white European, and he had some rather specific commitments to the idea. How about we just not have this retarded-ass racist conversation in the first place?

                  1. Again, you’re the idiot making it about racism. You can shut the fuck up as soon as you realize it isn’t, or just shut up period.

                    1. If Tony doesn’t make it about racism he has nothing to say. So it’s always going to be about racism.

                  2. You can agree that you are utterly wrong and the conversation can turn to how we admit emigres who make the US a better place, or at least not any worse. Wax is correct.

                    1. Almost all of our immigrants make this a better place than vast populations of its existing white population. Again, may we deport those useless fucks?

                    2. This is you pretending this is irony again.

                    3. I’m just saying, if you were to make me choose…

                    4. Again, may we deport those useless fucks?

                      With all the camel-fuckers that have migrated to Europe the last 30 years, sending every white American back to the motherland would actually improve the continent instantly.

                    5. Okay then. Wow.

      2. Libertarians can hold those values. They aren’t anti-libertarian. Just don’t impose them by force.

        1. Respecting authority doesn’t mean worshipping it or giving it more authority. Most libertarians recognize the need for some authority, and respecting it, while limiting it are not mutually exclusive ideals. But Tony would rather argue straw men than nuances.

    2. You beat me to it. I can’t believe that so many apparently intelligent people seem to be unable to follow what she was saying.

      1. If you say you understand why someone might think something (even if you don’t think that yourself), you immediately lose a majority of the people. Apparently, the only proper response to wrongthink is to point your finger and scream “Heretic!”

  3. Those who have defended Wax argue that her remarks were not racist because she isn’t literally disparaging immigrants for their non-whiteness—she just thinks undesirable immigrants are likely to be non-white. This seems like a distinction without much of a difference.

    Think again. Her argument was that we should favor immigrants coming from cultures that have X. X is purely cultural–there’s no inherent reason why a country populated by people of color could not have X. But she acknowledged that favoring immigrants with culture X will have the unintended effect of allowing more immigrants from countries that are populated mostly by whites (as the world is currently constituted).

    She was not saying that US immigration policy should favor whites. Under her argument, the race of immigrants doesn’t matter; it’s their culture that matters. It just happens to be the case today that this policy would have a disparate racial impact.

    In her view (and I agree on this), disparate racial impact does not automatically mean racist or unfair. The equation of disparate racial impact with racism makes us reject some good policies and adopt some bad policies.

    1. Progressives can’t understand trump his because everything with them is about racial, sexual, and often religious identity. They can not conceive of a value system where people are valued for what they do instead of what they are.

    2. “disparate racial impact does not automatically mean racist or unfair”

      Except for many of the insane left it probably does.

      “Disparate racial impact” is taken as prima facie evidence of discrimination in law, and as *conclusive* evidence of racism by the Left, much as *any* economic inequality is taken as evidence of injustice.

      If “they” have more than you, it’s because “they” took it from you! Damn the Kulaks!

      I don’t think The Hair thinks that way, he’s just being a race baiting vermin.

  4. I think the point she is making that if you desire any given nation to have cohesive and shared values, like economic independence, free speech, freedom of religion…you should pay attention to how many of who are immigrating, lest you demographics change and you get Somali born radicals elected to Congress….

    How do you feel about anti sodomy laws, Tony? You good with that?

    1. No. Ask me how I feel about rotting old warmed-over racist horseshit about how the brown hordes are coming here to change our precious values and probably contaminate our precious bodily fluids. It’s only been done about a thousand times. Remember when it was the Irish? How funny is that?

      1. “No. Ask me how I feel”

        No one cares about your feelz bitch.

        1. But I am genuinely concerned about your mental health.

          1. What part of “No one cares about your feelz bitch.” was unclear to you?

            1. If you agree that white people are the superior race, just say so.

              I don’t get people who believe things strongly but aren’t confident in expressing those views.

              What are you afraid of, someone with half an education laughing at you?

              1. So you’re saying you still don’t understand “No one cares about your feelz bitch.”

                1. Nobody cares about anyone else’s feelings except to the extent that it affects them.

                  1. So why are you still whining at me for saying so bitch?

                    1. What is it that grumpy, tedious white trash tend to do with their lives? Multiple divorces and alcoholism? Some kind of uppers, but not anything classy? Am I in the ballpark?

                    2. My God how are you still bitching at me.

                    3. Because Tulpa, he’s a raving bitch.

  5. The professor’s immigration views are wrong,

    To be sure.

    1. BTW, Is there any real academic freedom any more?

      1. Are you familiar with the Rebecca Tuvel situation?

      2. Is there any real academic freedom any more?

        Not since about 1205 A.D.

  6. Why even give so much attention to the opinions of a 22 year old law student?

    1. Because they’re the ones in charge now.

      1. A good backhanding would fix that in a jiff. Honestly, someone needs to be the adult in the room.

  7. Well, I, for one, cannot fathom a Vox writer making a dishonest argument.

    Clearly neither can Soave as they are one of his go-to sources for info.

    1. Beauchamp is like everyone at Vox a lying sack of shit.

      http://spectator.us/defense-amy-wax/

      1. “Truth is a social construct of the white supremacist cisheteropatriarchy used to oppress marginalized peoples.”

  8. Wax was accused by Vox’s Zack Beauchamp of making “an outright argument for white supremacy.” In her remarks at the conference, Wax claimed that the U.S. should be wary of immigrants who do not share the cultural values of native-born Americans.

    Hahaha. What race are Americans Robby?

    You people crack me up with your assumption that native-born Americans are always White.

    1. I’ve met some very conservative blacks, Hispanics (you should hear how some of them talk about illegal immigrants!) and Indians. Also, one of the strictest capitalist I ever met was an Indian who owned a smoke shop, and another who is a rancher. The idea that ideals equates to race seems to be strongest among certain groups of liberals. But then again, when you base a large portion of your ideology on collectivism and identity politics (redundant) then I guess it is understandable.

  9. “The professor’s immigration views are wrong, but removing her would compromise academic freedom.”

    Stop

  10. I think there’s one thing she’s missing on the immigration argument and that’s the fact that immigrants are not a random sample but a self-selecting sample. The average white European isn’t trying to immigrate to the US, he’s quite happy with things where he’s at. Yes, it’s true that England has cultural values more in line with American cultural values than most African countries, but I would suggest that would-be immigrants from Africa are trying to escape their cultural values. And what’s more American than trying to better yourself by escaping the shithole culture you’re trapped in?

    1. Usually I’d be quite sympathetic with that argument, my only problem is seeing how eager the progressives are to import more voters from other countries. If progressives thought they’d vote for fiscal responsibility, encouragement of work, traditional values, etc., then progressives wouldn’t want them to come here.

      1. Usually I’d be quite sympathetic with that argument, my only problem is seeing how eager the progressives are to import more voters from other countries. If progressives thought they’d vote for fiscal responsibility, encouragement of work, traditional values, etc., then progressives wouldn’t want them to come here.

        Progressives simply cannot fathom the concept that black and brown bodies could ever support American values–so they wax rapturous about importing them.

        They feel the same about it in Europe and are dumfounded when the sharia compliant economic migrants they import by the boatload aren’t down with the LGBTQ indoctrination seminars or the collective economics.

    2. “And what’s more American than trying to better yourself by escaping the shithole culture you’re trapped in?”

      Trying to keep that shithole culture from taking root here?

    3. but I would suggest that would-be immigrants from Africa are trying to escape their cultural values.

      In some cases sure but not every case. Wax is advocating a skills based immigration system. So in these cases, Wax would say let them in. But it is just as foolish to assume every immigrant is that way as it is to assume no immigrant is that way. Look no further than Europe’s Muslim or America’s Somali diaspora for examples of large numbers of people who have no intention of escaping their culture

      1. All too often, they just want to continue practicing their woman-hiding, clit-cutting, theocratic ways, but in a richer society.

    4. And what’s more American than trying to better yourself by escaping the shithole culture you’re trapped in?

      Trying to escape a shithole to migrate to a social welfare state is not the kind of personality type that is going to help the US prosper in the long term.

    5. “but I would suggest that would-be immigrants from Africa are trying to escape their cultural values. ”

      If we ascribe to them moderate rationality, they’re trying to escape the *consequences* of their cultural values.

      By the fact that they’re leaving where they grew up, they likely aren’t simply a random sample of their political culture. I’d expect that to be skewed.

      But we don’t have to just guess. Data has been taken. Foreigns who immigrate to the US skew democratic and bigger government relative to Americans.

      Import Not Americans, Become Not America.

      PEW Research on Hispanic Americans, breakdowns by immigration and foreign birth
      https://goo.gl/WBi1BV
      Hispanics Lean Democratic over 3 to 1

      1. https://goo.gl/hxSJHi
        Hispanics Want Bigger Government Providing More Services over 3 to 1

      2. PEW Research report on Muslim Americans
        https://goo.gl/qDTvwU
        Muslims Lean Democratic over Republicans over 6 to 1
        Muslims Want bigger government over smaller government over 3 to 1

  11. Perhaps she was just… Waxing philosophical.

  12. I think Penn should make Wax the head of their newly created Department of Rational and Reasonable Thought, and give her a big fat raise. And appoint her to head their existing Victim Studies departments.

    1. I think Penn should fire Wax and replace her with Bruce Hay.

      1. Bruce Hay is woke up the ying-yang.

      2. You mean the “who wants to be raped” Hay. That Bruce Hay?

  13. Whether or not Wax’s immigration views may properly be described as racist, they are clearly ignorant

    Wax’s parents were immigrants from Eastern Europe. […] Wax attended and graduated from Yale University (B.S. in molecular biophysics and biochemistry, summa cum laude, 1975). She then attended Oxford University (Marshall Scholar in Philosophy, Physiology, and Psychology, Somerville College, 1976). She next attended both Harvard Medical School (M.D. 1981) and Harvard Law School (first year of law school, 1981). Wax practiced medicine from 1982 to 1987, doing a residency in neurology at New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center, and working as a consulting neurologist at a clinic in the Bronx and for a medical group in Brooklyn. She completed her legal education at Columbia Law School (J.D. 1987; Editor of the Columbia Law Review), working part-time to put herself through law school.

    Obviously, Wax has no knowledge of other cultures, of immigration, or of law! She is the embodiment of ignorance! Unlike Robby Soave, she’s practically a teenage redneck from hicksville! Listen to informed and learned people like Dr. Soave, not Mrs. Wax! /sarc

  14. …and instead has resorted to stripping her of mandatory teaching assignments.

    “Woo-hoo! Four-day weekend!”

  15. Get woke, go broke… it’ll be a shame to have to find new leftists to argue against once this publication goes ass up

  16. “means in effect taking the position that our country will be better off with”
    a) more whites and fewer nonwhites
    b) more nonwhites and fewer whites

    Which option is evil?
    Which option is good?

  17. “Those who have defended Wax argue that her remarks were not racist because she isn’t literally disparaging immigrants for their non-whiteness—she just thinks undesirable immigrants are likely to be non-white. This seems like a distinction without much of a difference.”

    Robbie is a race baiting vermin or a moron. Perhaps both.

    Or maybe he’s just a race baiting vermin who thinks his *readers* are morons. Yeah, that’s probably it.

    Is a preference for Anglo American political values racist?

    That’s a peculiarly self loathing stance for a pretend “libertarian” magazine to take.

    Of course, since Reason has gone all Woketarian, maybe they’ll be dissociating themselves from the libertarian label, along with all of it’s statistical correlation with white people, because statistical correlation with Whiteness is what racism is all about.

    1. Is a preference for Anglo American political values racist?

      According to progressives, yes it is. That’s because they see Anglo American political values as being rooted in slavery and imperialism, unlike what they imagine Hispanic, Muslim, and African political values to be rooted in. Never mind actual history.

      Robbie is a race baiting vermin or a moron. Perhaps both.

      Both. They go together.

  18. Native-born American citizens, both Republicans and Democrats, keep voting for more and more and more government.

    And now they’re going to say “The immigrants made me do it”?

  19. Free speech on America’s campuses?
    That’s hysterical!
    (Blows a bowel laughing.)

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