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The Horror of War and the Thrill of Horror

A new book explores the First World War's role in creating the horror genre.

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Wasteland: The Great War and the Origins of Modern Horror, by W. Scott Poole, Counterpoint, 289 pages, $26

The First World War wasn't just itself a great horror. In Wasteland, W. Scott Poole makes a compelling case that it launched a great age of horror fiction.

After the armistice of November 1918, a wave of vivid memoirs, plays, novels, and poems tried to grapple with the civilization-shaking event that everyone had just experienced. These gradually gave way to more sanitized recollections, as each nation tried to move on from the conflict. Yet that wartime experience didn't disappear from the culture, Poole argues. It went underground, feeding a resurgent horror genre, especially in the new medium of film. Movies transmuted the effects of poison gas, flamethrowers, machine guns, and massive artillery barrages into creatures that reminded audiences of their all-too-real confrontations with death and dismemberment. While most of Europe and America tried to turn away from an industrial war's killing fields, the horror genre stared deeply into those abysmal years and brought forth fascinating monstrosities.

Poole, a historian at the College of Charleston, begins with the 1922 German vampire film Nosferatu, the opening titles of which call it an "account of the great death." The card is dated to the early 19th century and a nonmilitary story follows, but as Poole notes, the phrase surely conjures thoughts of the great death that the picture's German audiences had just been through (nearly 2 million soldiers killed, plus approximately one quarter of that in civilian dead). The titular vampire, glimpsed in a soil-filled coffin underground, "evoked all the corpses of the age, scattered across battlefields." The scale of the vampire's ravages becomes "a flood of death…just as the Great War had brought to all of Europe." Many of the movie's creators fought in the war, including director F.W. Murnau and producer Albin Grau; Grau described the conflict as "a cosmic vampire, drinking the blood of millions."

Another director, Paul Wegener, was a decorated veteran of the Eastern Front. In Poole's telling, Wegener's The Golem (1920) is saturated in the war's terror, with its monster created of mud (think of trenches) and acting as a remorseless, inhuman killing machine (think of mechanized warfare). That kind of mechanical monster, a frightening reflection of dehumanized humanity, also appears in The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920). Poole sees Caligari's hypnotized killer as a metaphor for the well-drilled soldier—a suggestion of the ease with which the authorities could turn ordinary Europeans into mass murderers.

Poole's thesis is more overt in Abel Gance's J'accuse. At the climax of this 1919 war drama, a legion of dead soldiers rise from their graves to march on a nearby village, anticipating many zombie stories to come. They return to their coffins, Poole notes, only after the villagers acknowledge that they didn't pay enough attention to the soldiers' suffering while they were alive.

An even better example may be Edgar G. Ulmer's strange and underappreciated The Black Cat (1934), in which two veterans duel through means both physical and semi-supernatural in a modernist home built on the site of a Great War massacre, the basement of which is filled with preserved corpses. One of the leads, Bela Lugosi, was really a veteran, and his war stories unnerved the other actors and the crew.

Other films took the image of horrific corpses in different directions: dummies, puppets, mummies, waxworks—figures inhabiting the uncanny valley between human beings and fantastic shapes. At times these forms echoed not just the dead but the mutilated living.

The First World War saw breakthroughs in medical technology, allowing some soldiers who would have died in previous conflicts to live—but in altered form. Disfigured veterans, such as those with facial injuries (gueules cassées, or "broken faces") mitigated by innovative prosthetics, were mirrored in such movies as The Phantom of the Opera (1925), The Man Who Laughs (1928), and Freaks (1932). For Poole, these modern monsters were creatures of the war, even when they had pre-1914 origins: "The double, the doll, the wax figure, the puppet all mimicked the Great War dead. They evoked the mechanical automata of the war of steel against flesh that had so completely reminded Europeans of their mortality."

Poole also lets us see anew the horrific images of machines devouring people in Metropolis (1927), linking them to the war as well as one of the war's spinoffs, the Soviet revolution. The film's mobilization of people into inhuman masses reminds us not just of industrial labor but of industrial war. The director, Fritz Lang, was yet another World War I veteran.

Poole doesn't limit his coverage to film. He discusses literary figures, from Franz Kafka to T.S. Eliot, whose The Waste Land (1922) finds a clear real-world source in the Western Front. Painters turned to horror too—notably veterans Otto Dix and Max Ernst. In Poole's account, the shocking visions of dada and surrealism flow from the Great War's deep terror and trauma: "Horror offered the surrealists the grammar for the new language they sought to create."

The American role in this story is somewhat different, as the U.S. entered the war late and suffered only a fraction of the European nations' death tolls. But the experience did occur, and its cultural reckoning was buttressed by the transatlantic flow of European artists. James Whale fought in the Somme campaign of 1916, then won fame by staging and filming the play Journey's End, a tense drama set entirely in a British dugout. In Hollywood, Whale directed part of the World War I epic Hell's Angels (1930)—and then, in 1931, made Frankenstein.

In Whale's hands, the latter story's monster represents the terrifying war dead—not just one body but the brutally recombined fragments of many. His existence on the boundary between life and death, between the human and the inhuman, recalls Caligari's Cesare as well as the shell-shocked soldier. To Poole, he also recalls "the maimed and mutilated returning veteran," another object of mingled dread and sympathy.

Outside the medium of film, Poole's analysis of the Americans sheds new light on the fiction of H.P. Lovecraft. Many of Lovecraft's short stories openly featured the war, such as "Dagon" (1919) and "The Temple" (1925), whose plots are driven by U-boat raids, or "Herbert West—Reanimator" (1922), whose mad scientist brings an assistant to Europe to recover corpses from the war. Lovecraft's visions of vast ruins and immense massacres can be seen as refractions of the Western Front. One source for his imagined apocalypses was the real apocalypse the world had just experienced.

After making the case for postwar horror's ties to World War I, Poole takes the genre forward into World War II. In so doing, the author takes issue with Siegfried Kracauer's influential 1947 book From Caligari to Hitler, which sees Germany's turn to fascism anticipated in imaginative film. Poole argues that Kracauer underestimates the power of the popular horror genre at recollecting the Great War. Poole does think the Nazis made canny use of horror not just in what they wreaked upon the world but in the rhetoric and movies they supported. Jews, Slavs, communists, backstabbing politicians, and homosexuals appeared as monsters to be feared and destroyed, a trope drawing on two decades of interwar monster fiction.

Horror films made later in the 20th century still carry echoes of 1914–1918, even when they're clearly connected to contemporary wars, as with Night of the Living Dead (1968) and Vietnam or World War Z (2006) and Iraq. "In every horror movie we see, every horror story we read, every horror-based video game we play, the phantoms of the Great War skittle and scratch just beyond the door of our consciousness," Poole writes.

Wasteland overshoots at times. The book struggles to summon M (1931) to the bar, but it cannot quite make the connection between the war and the film's tale of a child murderer, the police, and the underworld. Some of Poole's connections are a touch too abstract, as when he compares Victor Frankenstein's lonely lab to "an industrial process" and thus to the First World War. (The links he draws between 1932's Island of Lost Souls and the terrifying science of that era is more persuasive.) Identifying King Kong's creators as veterans is useful, but it is less accurate to argue that New York City has become a necropolis by the film's end. At times the book's focus on later works of art blurs subsequent conflicts with World War I.

Such issues aside, Poole has made an important contribution to cultural history. Wasteland reveals how horror stories can have even darker roots.

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  1. One might say that Lefties tend to start these wars and then their Lefty brethren create media that propagandizes and deflects from the reality of what they caused. Massive death and carnage.

    1. I’d hardly consider inbred monarchies to be lefties.

      1. One of these days, lovecon89 is gonna cut off his own left hand out of hate.

        1. Man, you trolls are dumb.

          Some other troll didnt even know the Italy was allied with the USA in WWI.

    2. And some wars were started by Monarchs.

      Some wars are started by soldiers (Black Hand).

    3. This was not the case for World War I. It was started by Royals and Generals, and kept going by bankers.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psXYMiBM1JE&t=2s

  2. Jews, Slavs, communists, backstabbing politicians, and homosexuals appeared as monsters to be feared and destroyed

    Two of these are not like the others.

  3. Interesting that the films cited as evidence that WWI inspired the brand new genre of Horror Fiction were based on centuries-old horror stories.

    1. I was thinking something similar. The Golem, for example, is from Jewish folklore going back to late medieval times, and has always been fashioned from mud.

      Most of what is said here has more to do with the emergence of film than with any new popularity of horror. In popular literature, gothic horror novels enjoyed huge popularity from the end of the 1700s into the early to mid-1800s. The most famous one, and probably the one with the most literary merit, is Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein. Closer to the end of this period, in the late 19th-century, you have Bram Stoker’s Dracula, which of course was inspired by horror legends that had around forever. That novel, and Shelly’s, had also led to any number of stage plays that people flocked to see.

      I think the stories had long inspired people’s imagination and interest, and it’s no surprise that the stories made their way into movies once the technology really got up and running, which coincided with the end of WW1. If you go see some of those early silent classics, it’s really kind of amazing what they were able to do with practical effects, lighting, and set design. They are surprisingly sophisticated.

      1. Same feeling here. New technology changes minor details, not the stories.

        Horror is probably the second oldest genre in art. Hieronymus Bosch, Caravaggio, Edgar Allen Poe, Francesco Goya? Beowulf, Danse Macabre, Grimm’s Fairy Tales, Dracula, Frankenstein, Dante’s Inferno? All that crap beats WWI by a long shot.

      2. I agree about the much deeper roots of horror, and the film medium being more influential than the war. I’d also argue that film turned horror a lot more visual, even in the written format — Descriptions of scary/horrifying images had always been part of the genre, but I think going back to the Gothic tales there was a greater reliance on the conceptual — tragic or horrifying situations more than sights.

        Though I suppose Horror is naturally subject to escalation, and there’s some case to be made that it took more to horrify audiences after WWI, so Horror had to up its game.

    2. Interesting this doofus author thinks it was WWI, and not the invention of movies, that invented horror movies

  4. “WWI was amazing! Almost lost by low energy England but American satellites and those great smart bombs beat the Germans and Italians. Great job USA!”

    Daddy Trump

    1. How long did that attack of TDS last?

      1. Is the low-energy elitist Sevo trying to be witty? Sad!

        1. Why are ypu still running this shitty sockpuppet Tony?

        2. “Is the low-energy elitist Sevo trying to be witty? Sad!”
          No, I was giving you the benefit of doubt; my mistake.
          You *ARE* that abysmally stupid.

        3. YOU are criticizing HIS wit????

    2. Jesus what do they teach you kids in school?

      In WWI, Italy was on the same side as America as the Allies.

      1. President Donald Trump took some lumps over Thursday’s remark about Continental Army taking over the airports during the Revolutionary War in 1775. Today he explained what happened.

        https://deadline.com/2019/07/donald-trump-airports-salute-to-america-revolutionary-war-speech-social-media-reactions-1202642269/

        1. Ah. New troll sock.

          Must be a Lefty banned person. Is too stupid to know that Italy fought WITH the America in WWI.

          1. It’s Tony. He outed himself a while back.

            1. Ah. Thanks for the heads up.

            2. If this is Tony, it’s a much more delightful version of Tony.

        2. 57 states.

          1. Yep. Anybody who’s ever given a speech knows that tongue slips and brain farts slip in all the time. Gerald Ford should have acknowledged it re his Eastern Europe slip instead of doubling down.

    3. Why are you still running this blown sock Tony?

      1. Why do you keep raping penguins, Tulpa?

        1. Don’t you have a rave to go to?

  5. WW 1 was a war of empires. The winners divided the spoils after. The U.S should have stayed out.

    1. And that division of spoils directly led to WW2, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and just about every conflict ever since

    2. I agree and furthermore I don’t think our entrance into the war ultimately made much difference, at least in terms of who would win in the end. By the close of 1916 the Central Powers were clearly losing and the resources of the British and French empires were going to be what decided the matter, given that Germany and her allies were essentially starving. The only reason for us to get involved was to have a say in shaping postwar Europe. But Wilson had deluded himself into thinking he was going to be some sort of savior and he didn’t understand the enmity the war had created (or maybe exposed). Had we stayed out we would have been no worse politically and quite a bit wealthier.

      1. Britain was broke. If it hadn’t been for all the loans from US banks,they’d have been out of the war in 1917, probably, but 1918 for sure. One of the reasons the US entered on the British side was to make sure those loans got repaid. What better way for Woodrow Wilson to get his legacy than save the world?

        One of the surprises I learned long ago was how much the French hated the Germans for four years of fighting that war on French soil, with almost no war being fought in Germany itself. I understand the denial by Germans that their army had lost, their claim to have been stabbed in the back by Jews and communists, was one reason for requiring total defeat, unconditional surrender, in WW II. Put that myth to bed the second time!

        1. Broke is better than starving, you can always borrow (as England did, and they had other creditors as well). The winter of 1916-17 was the “turnip winter” in Germany and not even the end of the war with Russia and the gains that they got in the Ukraine after that helped much as they overestimated the amount of grain they could extract and underestimated the number of troops they would need for occupation. The British and French were able to draw upon their colonies/dominions for support while Germany was frantically trying to prop up the Austrians and Ottomans against opponents far less fearsome than the French and Brits. The reason that the Germans were willing to try such a risky move as sending Lenin to Russia was because they could see they were losing after the battles of 1916. We should have taken a hint from their actions.

          1. I suppose I should say “far less fearsome than the French and Brits in the West” since the Turks were mostly fighting French and British forces in the Middle East, but that was clearly a sideshow as far as the western powers were concerned. Meanwhile the Italians were giving the Austrians all they could handle in the mountains (though that particular fight is almost the textbook definition of “pointless”).

      2. One of Friedman’s claims (see my post below) is that the British blockade was pretty porous up until the US entered the war, because Britain was scared to death of offending the neutrals, primarily the US but also Denmark and Sweden. The blockade did hurt before April 1917, but not nearly as much as after the US entry.

        1. If that were true then the Germans would have been able to send ships to the U.S. for goods. Instead they got a couple of submarines through which carried back a small quantity of manufactured goods that the German war economy needed. The Brits had used blockade to great effect against the French a century earlier and knew the disadvantages continental European powers faced when cut off from the rest of the world.

          1. The Napoleonic blockades were close blockades, with the blockade close enough to the port to block all traffic to that specific port. The WW I blockade was a distant blockade, hundreds of miles away, where all ships entering or leaving had to be stopped and inspected. A close blockade was impossible in the era of torpedoes, and a distant blockade by its very nature was porous; you can either block all iron ore, coal, munitions, etc, or you can try to figure out which goods going to a neutral will be transshipped to Germany. The Brits were especially leery of offending the US because they themselves got so much from there, but Denmark and Sweden supplied all sorts of stuff the Brits wanted.

            1. But you can’t blockade goods from Denmark to Germany due to there being a physical connection by land. And it’s pretty easy for neutral Sweden to ship goods to neutral Denmark and then on to Germany (fun fact: German slang for turnips during the war was “Swede” since so much had been exported from there to Germany).

              1. Yes, that is why a distant blockade, like the British WW I blockade, was so porous.

              2. Maybe you think when I say “porous” that I mean the British blockade had no effect. That is wrong. It did hurt Germany, just not as badly as the Brits expected. The 1917-1918 winter wasn’t as bad as the 1916-1917 winter, and that was after the US entered the war and Britain no longer had to worry about offending the US by bothering their ships in their distant blockade.

    3. Britain should have stayed out too. It was just a replay of the 1870 war, with the addition of Russia flailing away in the east.

      I’ve been reading a Norman Friedman book, Fighting the Great War at Sea. Typical Friedman — dense with details, which I blame for the typoes — it’s hard to read so much information without resorting to skimming.

      What’s most surprising so far is his introduction, explaining the naval plans and history leading up to the war. I knew that the German Reichstag was a pretty pale imitation of a real legislature, but had not known, for instance, that they could never repeal laws once passed, or introduce their own bills; they could only bot e yea or nay on bills proposed by the Chancellor. So once Tirpitz got his naval build enshrined into permanent expansion, he had trouble when his own plans changed and he didn’t want to try new legislation and risk repeal.

      He posits one cause of the war I hadn’t heard of before, that the 1912 elections saw the rise of socialists as backlash to the overbearing Prussian militarism and increased taxes for the military buildup, and the powers that be decided the only way to beat them back was to get into a defensive war, much as Bismarck had tricked France into declaring war in 1870 as a way of uniting the various Germanic kingdoms into the new country Germany under the Prussian kind as Kaiser.

      Also says Tirpitz had no plans at all what to do with his new Navy, no idea how to use it, he just wanted to match Britain, that in 1912, the navy’s budget was bigger than the army’s, and that if the navy had not been soaking up so much money and manpower and industrial effort, the army probably could have beat France in the early days.

      And all this is just footnotes, so to speak, hidden among all the other glorious detail in the book which really are the meat of the matter. It’s an unusual book for Friedman, not concentrating on ship design, and I hope he writes more like this

      1. Fuck off SQRLSY. I broke your sad bitch ass.

    4. WWI was the cause of WWII, international Communism, the Cold War, and the deaths of over 100 million people and the enslavement TV of 2 billion in the following decades

      1. We’re repeating the mistake they made back then by not getting rid of our communists here while we can.

        Does everyone here think they will just go away on their own?

  6. Fictional horrors (including campfire ghost stories) are a safety valve for most people. For most of the audience the Parisian Le Théâtre du Grand-Guignol with its horror plays offered fictional grand horrors to make the little horrors of daily life seem trivial.

    Horror (Horace Walpole, Edgar Allan Poe, Bram Stoker, etc) was a popular genre for generations before WWI. As Lovecraft opened his essay on Supernatural Horror in Literature, “The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, …” One test: take a Japanese ghost story video, turn off closed captioning, turn off sound, you still get it.

    I’ll grant WWI upped the ante of personal fear and horror for many in the post-war audiences. I do think some of the examples given from the book are stretch to connect them to WWI specifically.

    The fear factor in 1950s is easy to guess: just list the number of monster or sci-fi horror movies that open with stock footage of Test Baker of Operation Crossroads (the cauliflower cloud from the underwater A-bomb test).

  7. OT — John McAfee campaign begins!

    John McAfee of antivirus software fame has arrived in London from the Dominican Republic, where he had been detained for several days with his wife and several others for entering the Caribbean nation with a cache of weapons on his yacht, his lawyer said Friday.

    Apparently he’s been exaggerating his US legal troubles.

    After Dominican authorities ensured that the US had no active legal cases or extradition requests for McAfee, they allowed him to choose where he wanted to go, Simon said.

    1. Why are you still running this sad blown sock SQRLSY?

    2. I have been following his story as well. Whatever else people here want to say about him you gotta admit that dude has brass balls.

      Send lawyers, guns and money
      The shit has hit the fan
      Huah!

  8. The real horror of WW1 was the ease of convincing the anti war American population to become eager to enter the war with pure propaganda.

    Even more horrible being the reason for duping the US still largely concealed and unknown to this day. A promise between global Zionists and the British government to bring the US into the war in exchange for Palestine via the Balfour declaration.

    This was clearly spelled out by the solicitor and secretary to the UK Zionist organization Samuel Landman in his published 1936 paper Great Britain, the Jews and Palestine.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22380583-great-britain-the-jews-and-palestine

    1. While this may have been ONE of the reason for the USA entering WWI, there were other reasons.

      1. Sinking of the Luisitania and over 100 Americans lost their lives. This cause outrage in America.
      2. Imperial Germany reinstituted unrestricted submarine warfare in 1917. Several US convoy ships were sunk and some Americans were outraged that a neutral USA would have its property destroyed.
      3. Zimmerman telegram. America just does not tolerate European hostile influence in the Americas. Americans already kicked British, French, Spanish ass in the Americas and German trying to form a pact with Mexicans was too much for some Americans. America had already fought a war with Mexico and there were fairly regular border skirmishes with Mexicans.

      1. Yes the Lusitania and restricting submarine warfare.

        The propaganda had a huge influence in changing US anti war sentiment. Everyone was told by the US and Britain that it and the Rewa hospital ship were unarmed non-combatants. They hold that position steadfastly today even though diving expeditions have since proven that they were actually carrying munitions and therefore legal combatants.

        Neither the 100 American passengers nor their families or anyone else was told the truth when they boarded them.

        Germany knew the plan to bring the US into the war was implemented. That would end the war, as Americans bodies did. Of course they would then NEED to explore all their options AKA Zimmerman.

        1. The Lusitania was absolutely carrying munitions. The Germans also warned that Germany and Britain were at a state of war.

          Notice!
          Travellers intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that, in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travellers sailing in the war zone on the ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk.
          Imperial German Embassy
          Washington, D.C., 22 April 1915.

          Either way, Imperial Germany killed unarmed Americans and it pissed off Americans.

          Austro-Hungary and Germany started WWI after the presumptive Monarch was assassinated by a Serbian nationalist group seeking independence of what they considered occupied lands.

          While I agree that propaganda plays a role in getting citizens to support war, America was no the aggressor in this situation and even after letting the Lusitania not drag the USA into war, Germany kept on attacking American property.

          Germans made multiple strategic errors during the 20th Century and WWI and WWII were two of them. These wars cots them far more misery than they ever gained from war.

          1. Who should Americans be pissed off at when they are lied to by their government about their property being lost while being used as combatants in a war they were not aware they were engaged in?

            1. Luckily America joined WWI and kicked Germany’s ass.

              Then we joined WWII and kicked Germany’s ass again.

              Looks like we might get about 100 years of peace out of Germany because of it.

              1. 100 years of peace?

                The Balfour declaration added two years to WW1 costing millions of lives.

                Thanks to that, Jews globally boycotted Germany in 1933 as their stated plan to force Germany into WW2.

                After that Jews steal Palestine as per the Balfour declaration and the Middle East conflict begins and continues to this day.

                Peace? Ha!

                1. How many American live are you willing to throw away to the Jews?

                  1. Rob Misek
                    July.28.2019 at 4:53 pm
                    “How many American live are you willing to throw away to the Jews?”

                    Well, I’d be more than happy to start with you and the rest of your scumbag cohort.

                2. Hahha…the Jooooooz.

                  You people crack me up.

                  1. Joooooooz! indeed. I knew if I kept reading Rob would go there.

                    Fucking anti semite

          2. No answer?

            How about the Presidents “special counsel” to WW1? Louis Brandeis, leader of the American Zionist organization who was recently, hastily and controversially appointed to the Supreme Court and as Wilson’s special counsel to WW1.

            All part of the plan.

            1. Rob Misek
              July.28.2019 at 4:43 pm
              “…All part of the plan.”

              Let’s see; bigot, liar, scumbag and conspiracy fucking idiot besides.

              1. As usual you can’t refute the facts, so all you demonstrate is vitriolic rhetoric.

                You’re a dipshit clown apologist for a religion of lies kol nidre boy.

                1. You’re a bigot and holocaust denier. It’s not that no one can refute your insane bullshit, it’s just that no one wants to dignify your bigotry.

                  You are a bad guy.

                  1. Yeah right.

                    If people don’t want the horrors of war to be repeated, they would be well advised to do more than swallow the governments false narrative.

                    How does fact checking hurt anyways?

      2. Except the Lusitania was carrying war supplies to Britain, and the Zimmerman telegram may have been fake.

        1. You link fell off about the Zimmerman Telegram being fake.

          The Lusitania was carrying munitions. So what. Germany does not get to create bullshit casus belli and then demand that neutral USA have Americans killed simply because Germany has a shitty submarine strategy for WWI.

        2. “and the Zimmerman telegram may have been fake.”

          I’d “heard” that; suggest “The Zimmerman Telegram, Barbara Tuchman.
          When the guy who wrote it admits doing so, the claim that it was fake is right up there with that scumbag Misek’s blaming the jooze for every war ever waged.

        3. May have been, but Mexico, and Mexican Nationals, had been in a low level war with Texas for years already

          1. “May have been, but Mexico, and Mexican Nationals, had been in a low level war with Texas for years already.”

            Which is why Zimmerman hoped it would work, but that’s nothing like his proposal to land German troops there to mount an organized attack on the US.

      3. You are arguing with a Holocaust denier who thinks a few was thousand Jews were killed by lice in the comfortable work camps established for their protection

        1. He seemed a bit too set on protecting Germany’s decision to commit genocide multiple times in a Century.

        2. Yup no point in arguing with an anti Semite. Turn up a rock and you will find one.

          1. “Turn up a rock and you will find one.”
            This one’s from a rock right where the septic tank leaks out.

        3. The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps.

          It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.

          http://www.renegadetribune.com/international-red-cross-report-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/

          You believe that they were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% of them or 5,629,000 deaths.

          You are a brainwashed slave to a false narrative.

          I am free to explore, recognize and share the evidence of science and logic which demonstrates the truth.

          You don’t have the intelligence to refute the truth of what I say and you don’t have the courage to accept it. You are your own slaver. Go fuck yourselves.

          1. Scumbag bigot and liar besides….
            Cite something that isn’t as fucking pathetic as you.

            1. You’re the demonstrated liar, kol nidre boy. Still no answer eh?

              https://reason.com/video/justin-amash-on-quitting-the-republican-party-its-nice-to-be-happy-and-free/#comments

              Sevo
              July.25.2019 at 4:02 pm
              Rob Misek
              July.25.2019 at 3:53 pm

              “People who value truth will be compelled to try to refute it.”
              It has been ‘refuted’ many more times than you can count (more than 10).

              Rob Misek
              July.25.2019 at 4:31 pm

              Cut and paste any refutation of anything I have said, with a link.

              Rob Misek
              July.25.2019 at 9:13 pm
              What’s the matter kol nidre boy?
              Caught with your pants on fire again?

              We’re still waiting kol nidre boy.

              1. You stupid piece of shit, try reading something other than scumbag rags:
                “The word “Holocaust,” from the Greek words “holos” (whole) and “kaustos” (burned), was historically used to describe a sacrificial offering burned on an altar. Since 1945, the word has taken on a new and horrible meaning: the mass murder of some 6 million European Jews (as well as millions of others, including Gypsies and homosexuals) by the German Nazi regime during the Second World War.”
                https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/the-holocaust

                1. You’re a brainwashed dipshit slave to a false narrative and your own slaver.

                  Go fuck yourself.

                  1. “You’re a brainwashed dipshit slave to a false narrative and your own slaver.
                    Go fuck yourself.”

                    Yep, fucking bigots, when handed datam, stick their fingers in their ears ans scream I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Pathetic piece of shit….

                  2. Oh, and:
                    “Holocaust Denial and Distortion”
                    […]
                    “Holocaust denial is an attempt to negate the established facts of the Nazi genocide of European Jewry. Holocaust denial and distortion are forms of antisemitism. They are generally motivated by hatred of Jews and build on the claim that the Holocaust was invented or exaggerated by Jews as part of a plot to advance Jewish interests.
                    These views perpetuate long-standing antisemitic stereotypes, hateful charges that were instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Holocaust. Holocaust denial, distortion, and misuse all undermine the understanding of history.”
                    https://www.ushmm.org/confront-antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion

                    1. He definitely hates Jews.

                    2. If people don’t want our history of the horrors of war to repeat itself, they would be well advised to do more than accept the government narrative.

                      A little fact checking couldn’t hurt.

              2. You cowardly dumbfvck, you will ignore it. Like all the pictures of the mobile death squads in action in Ukraine, where they killed 1 million Jews with bullets, not Zyklon/ I mean “lice”

                1. Strange…
                  Here the Nazis were trying to kill some bugs and the damn Jews just kept keeling over!
                  But they didn’t mean it!

              3. Rob Misek
                July.28.2019 at 6:46 pm
                “You’re the demonstrated liar, kol nidre boy. Still no answer eh?”

                BTW, scumbag, your ‘command’ of English is as miserable as your knowledge of history. Not bothering to respond to some stupid piece of shit who will immediately scream THAT’S NOT TRUE!!!! is in no way “lying”.
                You lie, and you do so regularly; tell us again (with a cite from other than idiots like you) how Zyklon was intended to be a de-lousing agent. And if so, why wasn’t it used to help PoWs?
                Do you also apologize for Stalin’s show trials? Was the moon landing staged in Hollywood? Is the earth *really* flat?
                How stupid are you?

      4. LC

        “While this may have been ONE of the reason for the USA entering WWI, there were other reasons.”

        Never thought you would sink this low.

        Really had thought better of you.

        1. Who cares. You post garbage all the time.

    2. Rob Misek
      July.28.2019 at 11:04 am
      “…Even more horrible being the reason for duping the US still largely concealed and unknown to this day. A promise between global Zionists and the British government to bring the US into the war in exchange for Palestine via the Balfour declaration…”

      Fucking bigot ignoramus…

      1. Never again Sevo, never again

        1. It’s amusing that the scumbag assumes anyone opposed to his bigotry is Jewish.
          I’m an atheist who was raised in a Lutherian family, but to imbecilic scumbags like Misek, that’s not possible!
          If you are not Jewish, you can’t oppose his idiocy!

          1. Yes and you and I, all of us around here can see right through him.

            You are on target. Good work honestly I mean that.

            This asshole has no place here. He wants some attention to generate hate on this platform.

            Nobody including especially yourself are neutral here. He is the lone holocaust denier anti Semite neo Nazi. He wants attention.

            I know how these people work.

            Never again. He has no power.

            1. I share the truth, reality, that is demonstrated by irrefutable evidence.

              Truth cannot be refuted, lies can be. Truth has all the power. I’m proud to support it.

              I am free to explore, recognize and share the evidence of science and logic which demonstrates the truth.

              You don’t have the intelligence to refute what I say and you don’t have the courage to accept it.

              People who take the time to fact check my statements, soon realize that they are supported by the factual evidence.

              With every checked fact, your false narrative is weakened. Soon you will be alone in your delusions.

            2. A lie can be demonstrated with a single fact that disproves it.

              If anyone is interested in fact checking the holocaust false narrative, the following book provides a mountain of them.

              http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26539894-breaking-the-spell

              The author Nickolas Kollerstrom has PHDs in science and history. That demonstrates his credibility in using the scientific method to find truth and demonstrating it with fact checked references.

              It’s all there as an opportunity to escape your brainwashing.

              You only need to pick up a copy, read it and determine for yourself what reality is.

              1. “The author Nickolas Kollerstrom has PHDs in science and history. That demonstrates his credibility in using the scientific method to find truth and demonstrating it with fact checked references.”

                No, it means he got published. The Holocaust happened. There is mountains of verified evidence. I personally have known people who liberated the camps. Even a few who were interred. A portion of my extended family was wiped out by the Nazis.

                You are a bigot and a deluded idiot. No one here will dignify your revisionist Nazi bullshit. Go back to whatever Nazi site you came from where you can all sign songs about taking down the ZOG machine Jew by Jew by Jew.

                1. I have taken the time to review the evidence that refutes a false narrative and come to a rational conclusion.

                  You have instead taken the blue pill.

                  Enough said.

  9. Donald Trump did not know after doing this
    Pentagon Reject Russian Doctrine Russia slapped NATO. The US Department of Defense said that there are “challenges” in deterring a threat in Russia’s doctrine.

    Pentagon Reject Russian Doctrine Russia slapped NATO

    The US Department of Defense said that there are “challenges” in deterring a nuclear threat in Russia’s military doctrine. Thus, according to Pentagon Deputy Head John Oud, the Russian doctrine states that Russia can use nuclear weapons “without fear” against the United States and its partners to meet an “adequate response”.

  10. OT:
    Not worried about Goggle collecting my personal data: Been getting Tom Steyer begging for a dollar on YT.
    Their algorithm stinks.

  11. Not to mention Godzilla and the first atomic war, WWII.

  12. YEAH! This guy gets it!
    Where were all the great horror movies after the Civil War? Crimea? The French Revolution? Where was Tarantino? Imagine all the gratuitous bayonettings he could have shot

  13. Tolkien served in WW1 and it is said that it was an inspiration for a good deal of LOTR. The marshes of the dead, the desolation of Mordor, Saruman’s hybrid army arising from the mud, all seem to fit the theme.

    Was thinking that the theme of trees with Saruman devastating the forest and the ents taking revenge fits. You read descriptions of what the landscape looked like after an artillery barrage with not a tree left standing.

  14. Given the horrors of WWI, it is seriously crazy that those who fought in it were perfectly happy to see their sons go off to fight WWII.

    1. They were not for that very reason. There was very strong opposition even after Pearl Harbor although gradually the public came to support the war once we were committed. The government had to make a huge propaganda effort to drum up support.

      It is an interesting question about whether we would have restricted the war to Japan if Hitler had not declared war against the US after Pearl Harbor. He did not need to do that under his agreement with Japan and probably figured the Japanese would win anyway. I do not think he figured that the US would turn most it its attention to Europe and then turn to the Pacific.

      1. I was referring more to German, Russian, British and French parents.

        1. Pretty sure the Russian parents really didn’t have a lot of say in the matter.
          The Brits were not happy about it; they’d lost a huge number of young men; witness the original support for “Peace in our time!”. The French were not by any means united in opposition to the Krauts; along with commies, they had some strong support for the Nazis.
          The Germans were nowhere near as enthusiastic regarding WWII as they were for WWI, but they also had been handed the bogus claim of ‘a shot in the back’, and the anti-semitic propaganda (see our resident scumbag, above).
          Strangely “Post War” (Tony Judt) covers some of this; he sees WWII as the continuation of WWI.

  15. Umm no World War Z had nothing to do with Iraq. Max Brooks (son of Mel) has said that the book, a follow up to The Zombie Survival Handbook was inspired by Studs Terkel’s book about WW2 however just in style as it is written as an oral history, and Romero’s films.

    The movie kinda sucked but both books are great reads.

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  17. Is that possible ghost is in war?

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