Debates 2020

Actually, Joe Biden and the Obama Administration Deported More People Than Trump

At tonight's Democratic debate, Joe Biden totally whiffed on a question about deportation stats. He should be forthcoming about his record on immigration.

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Here's a fact that will annoy pretty much everyone involved in the debate over illegal immigration and the border: President Obama oversaw more deportations than President Donald Trump has overseen.

It's true. In 2012, the Obama administration kicked 419,384 people out of the United States, a single-year record that still stands, despite two years (and counting) of Trump framing himself as America's border-guard-in-chief. Earlier this week, Trump tweeted that he would remove "millions" of illegal immigrants if given a second term in the White House—but last year Trump managed to deport merely 256,000 people.

Those facts are problematic for the current debate over immigration policy, in which Democrats try to frame Trump as being unreasonably cruel towards immigrants—a title that Trump (and many of his supporters) seem pretty happy to embrace.

Joe Biden invoked that false narrative in response to a question about immigration policy during Thursday's Democratic primary debate. Biden was, of course, part of the Obama administration, and when debate moderators asked him to justify the Obama administration's record deportation numbers, he refused to do so.

Biden should have been ready for exactly this type of question. Earlier this week, a Biden-penned op-ed in the Miami Herald (the same city where this week's debates are being held) condemned the "morally bankrupt re-election strategy" that relies on "vilifying immigrants to score political points."

Sure, Trump vilifies immigrants more than Obama ever did. But actions speak louder than words—or tweets.

Here's Reason's Shikha Dalmia on Biden's hypocrisy:

But Biden forgot to mention that Trump, despite his best efforts, might not be able to match the lofty deportation record of the previous administration, in which Biden himself was second in command. Nor did Biden say a word about the 2012 Criminal Alien Removal Initiative, a nasty little Obama-era pilot program that I wrote about here. Under it, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents in plainclothes and unmarked vans would park themselves outside Latino grocery stores, apartment buildings, parks, neighborhoods, and—on one occasion at least—a Bible Study group, and confront whomever they wished, demanding to know their immigration status. The ICE agents would handcuff and detain those they suspected—without a warrant or formal charges, much less allowing them a phone call and legal representation—and forcibly fingerprint them with a high-tech mobile unit. They'd then run the fingerprints through federal databases, a process that would sometimes take hours, during which time the detainees couldn't leave to pick up their children or get to their jobs. All those flagged as undocumented, even if they were not criminals and therefore not the program's primary targets, would be dispatched immediately to detention facilities to await deportation.

Here's the Cato Institute's immigration policy guru Alex Nowrasteh, weighing in last week:

Indeed, Biden has a long and, for Democratic primary voters, probably problematic, record on immigration. He voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006 during the George W. Bush administration—an earlier, less grandiose, version of Trump's border wall, but one that still managed to cost taxpayers $2.5 billion. As a member of the Senate in 1996, he supported the Bill Clinton-signed Illegal Immigrant Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which created new criminal penalties for illegal immigration and required "expedited removal."

Biden's got a long record of holding high political offices. That's usually a boon for him, but immigration is one area (criminal justice is the other big one) where that long record is an obvious liability.

The best way to deal with that liability? Biden should stop trying to pretend that the facts aren't the facts.

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  1. That was back when the Dems thought they could get the votes they needed from legal immigrants and the native born. Now that these groups aren’t producing enough votes, it’s time to import some illegals to cast the votes Americans won’t cast.

    1. “it’s time to import some illegals to cast the votes Americans won’t cast”

      It’s genuinely depressing anyone would view the world in such a cynical way.

      Actually, supporters of open borders — Shikha Dalmia, the Koch Brothers, myself, contemporary Democrats, whoever — are motivated entirely by compassion for our fellow human beings. I can promise you, selfish considerations like “How will unlimited immigration benefit me?” never enter the equation.

      1. Excellent.

      2. “Actually, supporters of open borders — Shikha Dalmia, the Koch Brothers, myself, contemporary Democrats, whoever — are motivated entirely by compassion for our fellow human beings. I can promise you, selfish considerations like “How will unlimited immigration benefit me?” never enter the equation.”

        What is sad is the fact that stupid idiots like you actually vote. Open borders policy has NOTHING to do with compassion. If you have so much compassion then open your home to some of thee people. No? Then STFU.

        Btw, Trump will win in a landslide and he is better -by far – than all of these brain-dead morons you vote for or will vote for.

        1. Somebody needs to get their sarc-o-meter fixed. He’s a troll, dude. The name alone tells it all.

  2. Biden has never been my first choice. But it’s not productive to obsess over the mistakes of the past.

    The fact is, the best thing to happen during the Drumpf regime is the Democratic Party’s rapid embrace of the Koch / Reason open borders agenda. Whoever gets the party’s nomination, that candidate is guaranteed to be far better than Orange Hitler on our fundamental, non-negotiable issue.

    #VoteDemocratForOpenBorders
    #ImmigrationAboveAll

    1. Biden has never been my first choice. But it’s not productive to obsess over the mistakes of the past.

      Biden IS a mistake from the past. In fact, pretty much every policy that Trump now touts as his own, from deportations to mass incarceration of Blacks, Biden enthusiastically supported. The fact that he is now the Dems’ first pick should be very troubling to you. But I guess you think he will appeal to the trailer trash in Pennsylvania and Michigan.

      1. I take back what I said about Trump supporting mass incarceration, he has actually done more for criminal justice reform than any president I can remember,

      2. Every “Trump is literally Hitler” person I talk to about politics, I always like to point out that Trump is LITERALLY Bill Clinton from the 1990s. Trump hasn’t really changed over the years. He’s always been a conservative Democrat, or moderate Republican, which were basically the same dif a couple decades ago.

        It’s fine and well for people to screech about policies they don’t like… But you can’t compare a guy that is almost ideologically identical to a president everybody still claims to love from only 16 years prior… To fucking Hitler.

    2. Hahaha. Your comments are laughable and totally deranged. There isn’t ONE Democrat that’s better than Trump.

  3. My goodness!
    Someone finally had a break in the TDS attacks to see whether he is really that horrible compared to others!
    Christian: Please continue treatment. It will make you well.

  4. Kamala Harris playing the race card. Going lower and lower. Wonder if she cares about the lives she ruined as a cop.

    1. She’s a strong empowered woman, any lives that were touched by her were made better by their sacrifice to help her achieve.

      1. Hahahahaha.

    2. “Blablablabla- oh, my time’s up”

      Bold move, Joe

    3. She’s total trash.

  5. OBL jokes, but Kamala Harris did give a speech loudly proclaiming her intention to have open borders during the debate. She said that it was un-American to deny entry to any mother who wanted to bring her child to America. She said her first act would be to issue orders allowing them all to come…. And stop putting any kids in cages.

    It was one of a long list of missed opportunities for a follow-up for clarification, as she made a string of contradictory and unworkable claims and pledges during that screed.

  6. …condemned the “morally bankrupt re-election strategy” that relies on “vilifying immigrants to score political points.”
    And this is fundamentally different from canonizing them for political points?

  7. Tail Gunner Joe is changed on immigration, mostly cause he’s looking for more young ladies to hug and get behind.

  8. This entire article is based on a false premise, Obama/Biden changed the definition of deportation to include people who were turned away at the southern border. That is not deportation. They did it so they could continue importing new big government Democrat voters to replace us libertarians and conservatives who won’t embrace their socialist agenda, and they could do it while appearing to care about the rule of law.

    1. Not to mention that 0blama/Biden didn’t have anyone running to open-borders judges with every effort they made to enforce immigration laws.

  9. […] Actually, Joe Biden and the Obama Administration Deported More People Than Trump […]

    1. False. Obama counted illegals caught and turned back at the border which no one else ever considered a “deportee”. In reality, there was a steady annual decline in deportation orders, averaging 9.42 percent, from 2009 through 2015 under President Barack Obama, dropping from 184,230 to 89,895. The data is for federal fiscal years, which begin Oct. 1 and end Sept. 30.

      During Trump’s first two years in office, deportation orders jumped almost 65 percent, to a projected 192,006 for 2019 from 116,453 in 2017.

      https://www.theepochtimes.com/critics-decry-trumps-alien-deportations-vow-but-defenders-say-it-can-be-done_2970586.html

  10. […] Actually, Joe Biden and the Obama Administration Deported More People Than Trump […]

    1. Well, yeah, but at least they weren’t so mean about it.

      Haha

  11. So, EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT promised to cover illegals with their free health care plans.

    Every single one.

    That’s after trying to decriminalize illegal border crossings.

    So, can Reason explain how they’re not for totally open borders? Because their proposals clearly call for it.

  12. Only if you ignore that the Obama administration changed what counted as a deportation so they could look tough. Interior enforcement (the way other admins counted deportations prior) was down for most of the Obama presidency.

    https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

  13. Sorry but like so much else about Obama, that’s a lie. Obama counted people turned away at the border as “deportations”. They were never counted that way before.

    There was a steady annual decline in deportation orders, averaging 9.42 percent, from 2009 through 2015 under President Barack Obama, dropping from 184,230 to 89,895. During Trump’s first two years in office, deportation orders jumped almost
    65 percent, to a projected 192,006 for 2019 from 116,453 in 2017 according to the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University and the LA Times report from 2014
    https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

  14. An “apples and oranges” situation here.
    Bamster deported more, because the laws allowed Him to.
    Trump fewer, because the laws wouldn’t allow him to.
    Why so?
    During the previous admin, the scoundrels were pouring in singularly…..now they arrive mostly as “families” and as “asylum seekers.”
    These laws don’t permit the gubmint to throw EITHER category out…..”due process” rules.

  15. But you’re forgetting NPC ideological values, which conclude that FEELS > FACTS. Trump makes them literally quiver in their boots, whereas Biden gives them all the warm fuzzies.

    Therefore Orange Man Bad.

    We should protest!

    5 7 6 2
    Look at what you made us do
    3 1 8 Blue
    This balloon is filled with poo

  16. Records are made to be broken! 🙂

  17. Nice try, but people turned away at the border aren’t really “deportations.”

  18. […] presero esplicitamente le distanze dalle politiche attuate da Obama e dal suo vice Joe Biden, che detengono un vero e proprio record di immigrati esplusi dal suolo americano, roba che in confronto Trump rimedia la figura del […]

  19. […] illegal migrants from bringing their families across the border. In fact, his administration set a U.S. record for most deportations in a year, and it still stands today. But it would seem that liberals, fueled […]

  20. […] Trump has done no more than Obama to deliver on any of this, and in some cases, he’s done less. […]

  21. […] Obama’s vice president, even refused to defend that administration’s deportation of a record 419,384 illegal aliens in […]

  22. […] Obama’s vice president, even refused to defend that administration’s deportation of a record 419,384 illegal aliens in […]

  23. Never thought this way.. May be those reasons could be valid.. What say?
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  24. […] President Bush was pushing for comprehensive immigration reform. They would have done it during the Obama years, when the Senate passed a comprehensive immigration reform plan that the Tea Party scuttled in the […]

  25. […] supporters de Trump. De plus, son bilan sur l’immigration au sein de l’administration Obama (plus d’un million de déportations) risque de lui coûter cher dans la […]

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