Justin Amash

Donald Trump Responds To Justin Amash: 'Never a Fan…Total Lightweight…Loser'

The president goes personal in his reply to a libertarian Republican congressman accusing him of obstruction of justice.

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Yesterday, the most-libertarian member of Congress, Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), said that he believes President Donald Trump had "engaged in impeachable conduct." A lawyer by training, Amash tweeted that he'd read the Mueller report carefully and conferred with others before concluding that

Mueller's report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.

More on that here.

Amash's conclusion aligns with that of another high-profile libertarian presence with a background in law: Judge Andrew Napolitano, the senior legal analyst for Fox News, who told Reason a couple of weeks ago that the Mueller report describes behavior that clearly meets the threshold for charges of obstruction.

In response to Napolitano's claims, first aired on Fox, the president shrugged them off and claimed that the former judge had asked to be placed on the Supreme Court and sought a pardon for a mutual friend. Responding to Amash, Trump lashed out via Twitter, calling the congressman "a total lightweight," a glory hound trying to "get his name out there through controversy," and a "loser who sadly plays right into our opponents [sic] hands." Oddly, the president also refers to himself in the third person, taking a swipe at the Mueller report as being written by "Angry Dems who hated Trump."

Although I don't believe Trump should face impeachment (or indictments once he leaves office) over the findings in the Mueller report, he is baldly misrepresenting its actual findings. The report in fact didn't clear Trump of obstruction. "If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice," the authors write, "we would so state." Regardless of the facts, though, it seems unlikely that Amash's statement will have much if any impact on impeachment. By virtually all accounts, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) has no interest in pursuing such a thing, preferring instead to leave the possibility out there as a sort of political flypaper that will torment the president until the 2020 election.

Trump's dismissal of Amash's opinion is characteristically swathed in personal attacks. But calling the five-term representative a "total lightweight" and a "loser" who simply attacks the president out of personal animus is as ridiculous as it is characteristic. Throughout his career, Amash has been a paragon of virtuous governance, routinely putting principle before party and sharing his reasoning for each vote he takes via his Facebook page, whose catchphrase is "I defend liberty and explain every vote here." This is a politician who has tangled with each Speaker of the House under which he has served, whether that person is a Republican (John Boehner and Paul Ryan) or a Democrat (Pelosi). He has consistently called for limiting the size, scope, and spending of the federal government (in March, he introduced legislation to kill the Import-Export Bank), an end to wars that have not been specifically (and constitutionally) authorized by Congress, and the end of mass surveillance of American citizens.

Amash's public criticism of the president will doubtless fuel speculation that he may leave the Republican Party and seek the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination. In March, he told CNN's Jake Tapper that such a move was "not on my radar" but that he wouldn't rule it out, either. "I think that it is important that we have someone in there who is presenting a vision for America that is different from what these two parties are presenting," he said.

Earlier in the year, while speaking at the Students for Liberty annual international conference, he was less cagey:

Amash told Reason Editor in Chief Katherine Mangu-Ward in January that the ideal third-party candidate "wears Air Jordans" (he was wearing Air Jordans as he said this), and that the L.P. nominee "has to be very libertarian, because if you're running in the Libertarian Party, you better be a libertarian." However, "it has to be a person who is persuasive to other people, can bring Republicans and Democrats on board, or bring a large part of the electorate on board, because you can't just appeal to diehard libertarians and win the election."

I have no particular insight into Amash's decision process, but it's increasingly compelling to me that his best chance of changing the political atmosphere in the country is as a third-party presidential candidate rather than as an ideological minority in an electoral-minority party. Throughout his time in Congress, Amash has battled as much with his own party as with the Democrats and there is no evidence that the Republicans will turn back anytime soon to limited government on even a rhetorical level much less a substantive one (just 13 House Republicans voted against Trump's patently phony national emergency declaration earlier this year). The GOP held a congressional majority in the House and Senate for most of the Bush years, a period in which government grew in every possible way (spending, regulations, overreach). The Party of Lincoln did not distinguish itself during the Obama years as a force for limited government, only as one for oppositional government, and one ultimately incapable of or uninterested in reducing spending, unwarranted wars, and the abrogation of civil liberties. Under Trump, the Republican Party has been shown to be almost completely without principle, quickly embracing economic protectionism, xenophobia, trillion-dollar deficits, and unchecked executive power as the new normal.

While little-known outside of libertarian circles, his own district, and Beltway policy-wonk groups, Amash brings with him an incomparable record as a member of Congress, one that is marked by principle over compromise. Running as a Libertarian would give him a national platform from which to articulate not simply a series of policy prescriptions but a broad vision of what 21st-century America should look like. His relative youth (he's 39), his ethnicity (he's of Palestinian and Syrian descent), and his religion (he's an Orthodox Christian) place him squarely at the forefront of a country whose leaders will be younger and more culturally diverse (imagine a debate about the future with him, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Pete Buttigieg!).

Especially during an election cycle featuring Trump, Joe Biden, and a couple of other septuagenarian socialist-leaning candidates, the Libertarian Party—and the country—could do far worse than having someone like Justin Amash talking about a vision that embraces free markets, individual rights, limited government, tolerance and pluralism, and a social order characterized by mutual respect, trust, and charity.

Last April, Amash spoke at a Reason event about "Trump, Ryan, and the Stupidity of How the Government Spends Your Money." Take a look below.

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280 responses to “Donald Trump Responds To Justin Amash: 'Never a Fan…Total Lightweight…Loser'

  1. Donald Trump Responds To Justin Amash Anybody Who Criticizes Him: ‘Never a Fan…Total Lightweight…Loser’

    If Trump were any more thin-skinned he’d be transparent. Mentality of a 4-year old.

    1. Jerryskids is a big poopy head and wets the bed

      1. Amash is part owner of a firm MIT that own Tekton which ILLEGALLY claims to make products in the US when they are actually made in China. He is a total scumbag, trying to protect his illegal financial interests.

        1. Most of Tekton’s stuff is made on Taiwan. I have a 1/2 inch drive torque wrench from them. It’s good stuff for the price.

    2. Amash only tweeted yesterday to be the topic of.the Sunday shows as he is wanting to run against trump. That’s why his tweets were devoid of any analysis at all.

      1. That comment from Amash included no explanation. Without it, it is similar to the democrats empty threats. Need to spell it out or it is just political BS.
        Did Amash just want to take his shot at Trump? I always thought he had more substance. Very disappointing.

      2. Well then thank goodness we have a Prez whose tweets have a ton of analysis and nuance with no interest in just grabbing media attention and ordering his online munchkins and flying monkeys into battle.

        1. Yes, he certainly should have praised Amash while providing a detailed analysis of Amash’s vague claims.

      3. Amash has wanted an excuse to push for impeachment from the day after Trump was elected. There is nothing new here. Amash is a quasi-Libertarian with an eye on raising his profile. So like Democrats who are addicted to pandering he is addicted to remaining relevant. I got news for Amash everyone can read 98% of the report today. Anytime a loser like Romney calls you courageous you have credibility problems.

    3. Justin Amash is running against Trump, it blows me away that you and Nick seem to think this is any different than what Weld, Warren or Biden would pull.

      1. He has no charisma. Neither did Gary Johnson who I did vote for in spite of Weld. We need someone who has the magnetism and leadership skills to connect with more people.

        1. You know who else had magnetism and leadership skills and connected with the people?

          1. Max Eisenhardt?

          2. Magneto?

        2. Gary Johnson had a little bit of charisma, but this guy has absolutely none. Do the libertarians think that, after the debacle of Johnson and Weld, any of us will waste a vote on Justin Amash? I am going to vote AGAINST socialism by voting FOR an imperfect capitalist, Donald Trump.

    4. Amash is a lawyer?

      Too bad he isn’t smart enough to make his case.

      But then again maybe there is no case.

    5. Amash has my vote. Unless Max Von Sydow plays Trump in his own Trumptastic movie, then all bets are off.

    6. When you lie. Expect abuse.
      The coup failed. Go frell yourself.

  2. Amash is such a RINO. Thank God for that.

    1. And he’s a LINO.

      Thank God for that too.

      We don’t need people like him as Libertarians.

      1. If you believe the ratings on OnTheIssues, Amash falls right at the triple point between moderate, libertarian, and conservative. I’d say it would be fair to call him a libertarian-leaning conservative or the other way around even. He certainly doesn’t fit neatly into either camp. He loses points on the social scale for his pro-life, anti-immigration positions, primarily.

    2. I think calling him a vain opportunist is more in order.

      1. We are all vain opportunists.

        1. You’ve been watching “Unforgiven,” right? However, the line should read: “We are all vain opportunists, Kid.”

  3. Justin Amash has the integrity to call the fact as he see them. Sadly that does not always get you ahead. What he will not be is one of the toadies bowing before President Trump. That too will have consequences. If you don’t believe that think of the people who backed Trump in his casino’s.

    1. “Justin Amash has the integrity to call the fact as he see them.”

      Fail.
      No “facts” in evidence. An opinion and a lame one besides.

      1. There’d never be enough facts for you to go against your dear leader.

        1. Who’s sock is this?

          1. Sounds like Tony.

            1. Eh, they all sound the same.

            2. I don’t think Tony does sock puppets.

        2. “There’d never be enough facts for you to go against your dear leader.”

          And you’re such a blind progtard that you’re in thrall to the democrats and parrot whatever pablum they choose to puke down your throat.

          The fact is that every person posting here who supports Trump’s policies is more critical of him then you will ever be of your Marxist masters. Right comrade?

          1. Thing is trump uses the same old insults every time. How boring. Even rocket man, yeah we heard the song. No original anything.

            Is loser the best he can come up with? What a maroon.

            Watch a master of the art. Steve Martin. Better insults to a nose.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1nYEH6EDwM

            1. Your post sounds like the post of someone who is upset that he got called a loser by Trump.

              1. No you can do better.

                Cmon dude try harder. I know you can get harder than that.

                Donnie is just not that good at it. Same crap every day. He is an old trumpet way past his prime.

                1. I’m just telling the truth about what I see.

                  1. Well been hanging around libertarians for some time.

                    Funny how time just slips away.

                    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iZaZqx9v3dU

                  2. Aaaand this little subthread is enough for me. Later, losers.

                2. “Donnie is just not that good at it.”

                  Diminutive?
                  Fail.

                3. Why should he bother? It’s just the same old bullshit accusations. Why should he bother with new comebacks? Not like his opponents are very original.

            2. I would argue that actions speak louder than words and while I don’t care much for his tweets his list of accomplishments in 2 years dwarfs that of either Bush or Barry in their 8 years combined. I don’t agree with all his policies but the guy is moving on his promises which says a great deal more than his childish tweets. Barry was feckless, inept and cowardly. Bush was a shill for neo-cons. I believe I will take Trump’s substance over either of the 2 morons style that previously occupied the WH.

              1. Amen! Just the lowering of the corporate income tax alone is worthy of supporting Donald Trump. There’s plenty he does that wrong, also; but lowering onerous tax rates is a very big deal. If we could get him to reduce spending even a little bit, then he’d be a great president. Too much to ask for, from a guy that’s dying to get re-elected.

              2. Unfortunately, Trump’s words are those of the schoolyard bully that he is. All schoolyard bullies are cowards. We can’t have a coward running the country when we have threats like North Korea and Iran out there, not to mention Putin.

                1. You don’t have much experience in the real world or with how men interact, do you?

        3. “There’d never be enough facts for you to go against your dear leader.”

          One would be a good starting point, but one is more than the victims of TDS ever seem to have.

        4. After 2 years of investigations and upward of $40 million Mueller concluded there was not enough evidence to prosecute for obstruction. This was irrespective of whether Trump were president. The was literally NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE. Now we are supposed to take the word of Amash over the team of investigated who all hated Trump.
          Also, let’s not forget that Trump was found innocent of the original collusion claim. So are we supposed to find Trump guilty of obstructing a none crime.
          This would be a pretty stupid thing to do.

          1. You’ve got it exactly right, EarthMan.

        5. Regardless of your disdain for Trump you still have to have some facts based in reality.

    2. If Amash had any integrity he’d be talking about police state surveillance on a political campaign, he’d be talking about secret court warrants.

      Instead, he is taking the findings of a partisan cover-your-ass investigation that fucking Andrew Weissman basically led at face value.

      He is also taking the very non-libertarian stance that defending yourself against a non-crime is obstruction, but the police state putting 30 million dollars of resources towards trying to destroy you is just fine and dandy.

      Amash comes down on the side of big government, because Trump. Gillespie is better than most of the writers at Reason, but they are all coming down on the side of the police state big government.

      1. The investigation was even worse than that. Lots of disturbing stuff coming out about how phony dossier information was leaked by FBI top counsel to the media to later be used as a source to support the information they leaked.

        A lot of people in our govt. absolutely must go to prison for all of this, and none of them are Trump.

        1. Enjoy life on the irrelevant, disaffected fringe, Last of the Shitlords. I will enjoy continuing to shove more progress down the throats of loud, authoritarian, impotent right-wing malcontents.

          1. Hey look you are overusing “disaffected” AGAIN.

            Try thesaurus.com

            1. Kirkland thinks the thesaurus died out millions of years ago.

          2. Because showing things down someone’s throat is totally not authoritarian.

            1. If that thing is freedom being imposed on authoritarians, seems good.

              Would Tulpa prefer “malcontents” or “extremist losers?”

              1. Nothing says “winning!” like Hillary 2016.

                1. Correction.
                  Nothing says ‘whining’ like Hillary 2016 – 2019.

          3. I’m not seeing how “Controls the White House and at least one chamber of Congress, and the plurality of state legislatures” is irrelevant. Maybe you wish people who disagreed with you were an irrelevant, disaffected fringe, but they’re demonstrably not.

      2. Amash does oppose police state surveillance.

        1. Amash is opposed to it unless it is used against people he doesnt like. Which makes him not better than any other authoritarian because ultimately it shows he is nothing but a con.

          What happened to Trump is a perfect example of police state abuse, it is the perfect excuse to reform. Yet he spends his time claiming the victim of police state abuse obstructed the police state abuse. Con artist.

      3. Great point. Little of what Trump actually did could be construed as possible obstruction since no obstruction actually occurred. Mueller’s team was not hindered by the WH in any way. Yet the way we got to this point was very disturbing. Something very disturbing when the CIA, FBI are actually conducting Intel gathering and active surveillance on the members of a campaign based on what? I understand that some make the case that all you need is intent. Not being a lawyer I can’t say for sure. I think in a court of law it may be more obvious.

    3. Oddly Amash used absolutely no facts in his tweets. Which passes as common discourse to dumbasses like you.

    4. Every casino project in the armpit of America has failed.
      When your in real estate, you’re going to lay the occasional egg. Hi mistake was investing in NJ.
      What does your snark have to do with all the lies in this illegal, immoral, seditious and traitorous failed coup attempt?

  4. Will they mention that Napolitano also called for impeaching Saint Obama?

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/andrew-napolitano-impeach-obama

    And based on how he described Lincoln’s alleged crimes and lawlessness, it seems that he would regard Lincoln’s behavior as impeachable too.

    1. You act as if The Judge is wrong. We need more impeachment. The oval office has been inhabited by a revolving door of criminals.

      1. If impeachments of Presidents build on each other, each being a precedent for the next, and without partisan cheating, I’d be all for a thorough cleansing of the Oval Office.

      2. With all due respect, I don’t want the revolving door that turning impeachment into a vote of no-confidence would bring, thanks.

      3. Yes, because having governments fail every few months is so good for the country! /Sarc

        What we actually need is a federal government so small and powerless that it doesn’t matter whether the president is a crook. You know, like the Constitution intended.

    2. Obama should be executed for treason.

      1. We have our violent, disgruntled racist!

        Reason, please clean up your comments section, it’s filled with thugs.

        You have folks advocating killing.

        1. ohlookMarketthugs
          May.19.2019 at 6:58 pm
          “You have folks advocating killing.”

          No, we just hope fucking lefty ignoramuses make the world a better place by going off and dying where we can’t smell you.

          1. Open wider, Sevo.

            And toe that line!

            Your betters are watching.

            1. So are your handlers.

        2. How is asking for the death penalty after due process “racist” or “advocating killing”?

          One can make a reasonable argument that both Obama and Bush committed treason and mass murder, and the penalty for either happens to be death.

          The thug is you, a typical leftist who calls for censorship in response to speech he doesn’t like. But we aren’t going to censor you, we are calling you what you are and condemning you.

      2. So should every other president back to Eisenhower at the very least.

        -jcr

    3. Lincoln may not have been impeached but he was definitely removed!

      1. I would NEVER advocate for the assassination of Obama. He should be tried and executed by the federal govt.. nice and legal.

        I would never ever want to see him martyred. My greatest hope for Obama is for him to go to the gallows in utter dosgraceful, as an example to the next generation of progtards.

        1. How is this allowed? How embarrassing to a magazine.

          1. How is free speech allowed on a Lbertarian website?

            Are you an idiot?

          2. ohlookMarketthugs
            May.19.2019 at 7:00 pm
            “How is this allowed? How embarrassing to a magazine.”

            You’re right. You are an embarrassment to mankind.
            Please make the world a better and smarter place by going off and dying.

            1. Losing the culture war and being exposed as an anti-social, impotent loudmouth is making you cranky, Sevo.

              Perhaps you should find a country that is not in the midst of a century-long arc of progress against your wishes and efforts.

    4. Lincoln’s conduct was the most impeachable of the 3.

    5. The problem here isn’t that, by the reasoning, Trump isn’t impeachable.

      The problem is that, by this reasoning, every President in my lifetime has been impeachable. Most of them more than Trump.

      And yet, I do not recall Amash calling for Obama’s impeachment.

      So, he’s not following his own supposed reasoning. He’s just using it as cover for animus directed at Trump.

  5. I would use other words besides “lightweight” and “loser”, but yeah.

    Amash suffers from the key problems of Libertarians:
    1. Too invested in self-understood ideals to get together with any sort of team and actually move the ball forward toward the goal.
    2. Vanity. Even self-understood ideals become flexible when vanity needs to be satisfied.

    1. “Vanity. Even self-understood ideals become flexible when vanity needs to be satisfied.”

      Yeah, that’s a ‘problem’ unique to libertarians.
      Obo certainly never suffered from it, right?

      1. Yes, of course vanity isn’t unique to any particular group. Your comment is dumb.

        1. Ben_
          May.19.2019 at 2:25 pm
          “Yes, of course vanity isn’t unique to any particular group. Your comment is dumb.”

          And yet, YOU claimed it to be a ‘libertarian problem’ rather than a human condition.
          Are you here to prove how stupid you can be?

          1. #1 at least is a problem that seems to affect libertarians more than most.

          2. Actually, no. He claimed it to be a “key problem of Libertarians”.

            He never said it was unique to Libertarians. He simply stated that it, being a problem that Libertarians do have (regardless of whether it applies to everyone or not), is a key issue that affects Libertarians.

            So, Sevo, are you here to prove how stupid you can be? Or are we all just making the worst bad-faith arguments today?

      2. So you’re saying Amash is about as principled as Obama? Yeah, we can agree on that.

    2. Too invested in self-understood ideals to get together with any sort of team and actually move the ball forward toward the goal.

      Really? Seems like he won election to Congress five times as a Republican.

      1. And now he’s betraying them so he can get attention for himself.

  6. I would utilize different words other than “lightweight” and “failure”, however definitely.
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  7. BREAKING NEWS: POLITICIANS CONTINUE TO THROW INSULTS AT ONE ANOTHER

    1. Monkeys continue to fling crap at each other because they don’t want to lower themselves to the level of politicians.

  8. Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.

    And yet nobody bothers to list these “multiple examples”. What qualifies as journalism in this country has become a complete joke not to be trusted.

    1. Read the report- it’s out there. How about you stop being a lazy SOB and do your own research if you’re so smart then.

      Sad what qualifies for a commenter these days..

      1. “Read the report-”

        Not gonna happen….don’t care that much. People calling for impeachment should at least present their argument and make their case. It’s not asking too much. Otherwise, I’ll just assume they have no argument to make…..which seems to be the case.

      2. wearingit
        May.19.2019 at 2:50 pm
        “Read the report- it’s out there. How about you stop being a lazy SOB and do your own research if you’re so smart then.”

        He (and you, by now) have made the claim; he (and you) back it up with evidence.
        Or, stuff it up your ass; your choice.
        Fucking lefty ignoramuses, unfamiliar with the concepts of logic…

        1. If there’s as anything really substantive in the report they would be using it to tear Trump apart while they gleefully prepared impeachment proceedings.

          None of that is happening, because there is nothing there.

          1. “If there’s as anything really substantive in the report they would be using it to tear Trump apart while they gleefully prepared impeachment proceedings.”

            This was sort of obvious about last winter. If there was anything, Mueller was duty bound to report it at the earliest.
            The last 6 months or so have been CYA time for the investigators to make sure someone wasn’t hiding some smoking gun.

        2. And ignorant of the elements of obstruction. There is a reason there is no specific citation. It would be easy to establish the opposite conclusion given the case law and Constitution.

      3. Read most of the 2nd part of the report regarding obstruction. It is such a novel interpretation of obstruction that telling an officer you’re innocent after being arrested would be evidence of obstruction. Did you even bother to read the report?

      4. I read the fucking report wearingit, and I still don’t see what you and Amash are on about.

        When you make an accusation based on a document, you cite the parts you’re basing it on and the reason for it. Amash never did that and neither did you. Add to the fact that Amash then committed an Appeal to (an anonymous) Authority fallacy immediately after, and my bullshit detectors started screaming.

        Sad what qualifies as a commentator these days…

      5. “Read the report”

        Amash is the one making the assertion. Back it up.

    2. Because when they explain it to themselves in their minds, they know how it sounds.

      You see this a lot. Someone will be described as “controversial” but no one will explain the so-called controversy because it’s a big pile of innuendo and assumption and implication used to assert opportunistic outrage.

      It’s like the news media and the public culture have been permanently taken over by middle school teenage mean girls.

        1. +402

  9. I love articles like this because it clearly splits the more libertarian minded on this site apart from those who are nothing but followers of a cult of personality, and a shitty one at that.

    1. Oh, I agree: anybody who believes that it is right for federal investigators to subject citizens to a multi-year witch hunt over ludicrous accusations and then throw those citizens in jail over telling the federal investigators to f*ck off clearly suffers from a “shitty cult of personality”, and moreover clearly isn’t intersted in liberty.

      1. Anti-social, irrelevant, bigoted Trump fans are among my favorite faux libertarians.

        1. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland
          May.19.2019 at 7:43 pm
          “Anti-social, irrelevant, bigoted Trump fans are among my favorite faux libertarians.”

          Bigoted assholes are at the top of the list who should fuck off and die.

          1. I’m beginning to think you and Kirk must have the same form of autism.

        2. Anti-social, irrelevant, bigoted Trump fans are among my favorite faux libertarians.

          Well, lucky then that I’m not an “anti-social, irrelevant, bigoted Trump fan”.

          You, “Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland”, on the other hand, have proven time and again that you are a totalitarian, a statist, and an ignoramus.

    2. “wearingit
      May.19.2019 at 2:51 pm
      “I love articles like this because it clearly splits the more libertarian minded on this site apart from those who are nothing but followers of a cult of personality, and a shitty one at that.”

      Well, no.
      It separates those who prefer evidence from the pathetic victims of TDS.
      Seek help. Or rather, don’t bother. We can hope it’s fatal in your case.

    3. Again…. another true libertarian advocating for the criminal prosecution of non crimes. You sure you’re a libertarian? You preach one of stalin and maduros favorite tactics.

      1. No, it’s Tony, and Tony has admitted that he’s not libertarian. He’s just bitching impotently about them.

    4. “Protestation of innocence is obstruction”
      In wearingit’s mind libertarianism and totalitarianism are the same thing apparently.

      1. Also, I’m pretty sure wearingit is Tony. Far too many Tonyisms in everything he’s written in the thread.

      2. Fallacy of the false dichotomy, very smartly integrated as a joke, though.

  10. I agree with the headline. Some time ago, one or more Reason columnists anointed Amash a libertarian, but somehow he winds up on the opposite side of so many issues from this libertarian (me). Trump winds up on my side more than Amash, amazing as that seems. Trump doesn’t claim to be libertarian, sure isn’t libertarian as an ideology, but that’s just the way things have shaken out. Amash thinks he’s a libertarian (if I recall correctly — without a character limit, I’m even spelling that out now), is “officially” libertarian by the bloggers’ side of Hit & Run (who seem to favor him even more than Rand Paul, who seems so obviously more libertarian to me even with that extremely stupid vote of his a couple years back), yet….

    Trust your own judgment. Go with leadership only if you can enforce solidarity on their part; otherwise be independent. Understand alliance to be business, period. The Libertarian Party proved many years ago that movement libertarians can be corrupted very cheaply, just for their own vanity’s sake.

    1. Most of the reason writers think libertarian ideology is just the old blue dog Democrats.

      1. No they don’t! They’re obviously writing stuff they don’t believe, because Trump.

    2. What issues do you disagree with Amash about?

      1. That he doesn’t think Trump is awesome. Personally I am hard pressed to find things that don’t jibe well with libertarianism from Amash. Combine that with his obvious integrity and I don’t know how he got to DC. He is probably the only person in that entire city whose call for impeachment could get me to take a serious look.

        1. Most of the Libertarians I ever associated with could make a case better than Amash.

          In theory he is a lawyer.

          Make of that what you will.

          1. Yeah it’s weird. Most tweets are so thorough and well argued. For example the tweets that swore no collusion had footnotes and everything. Granted I understand you are applying the same standard to twitter posts favoring trump.

            Make of that what you will.

            1. Presumption of innocence is what I make of it, clown.

              1. Who said he doesn’t get a presumption of innocence asshat?

            2. rudehost
              May.19.2019 at 6:41 pm
              “Yeah it’s weird. Most tweets are so thorough and well argued. For example the tweets that swore no collusion had footnotes and everything.”

              Man, fucking lefty ignoramuses have no better than a passing acquaintance to logic.
              Hint: You can’t *prove* a negative no matter how many footnotes you use.
              And fucking lefty ignoramuses seem to be lacking in any evidence to prove their claimed positive.
              Ins’t that right, fucking lefty ignoramus?

              1. I think you missed my point. A tweet is not a place to hash out a thorough argument and I would expect neither trump supporters or detractors to lay out a full case in a tweet. I’m sorry that my refusal to automatically suck the orange dick and reject the opinion of perhaps the only person in DC with any integrity offends your delicate sensibilities.

                I’m not saying Amash is right but I don’t reject it out of hand.

                As a side note I have to ask

                Does the stupid burn when you pee you fucking half wit?

                1. rudehost
                  May.19.2019 at 7:49 pm
                  “I think you missed my point. A tweet is not a place to hash out a thorough argument and I would expect neither trump supporters or detractors to lay out a full case in a tweet. I’m sorry that my refusal to automatically suck the orange dick and reject the opinion of perhaps the only person in DC with any integrity offends your delicate sensibilities.”
                  That’s not a point; that’s an excuse after you were caught with a mouthful of bullshit.
                  You seem to be more than happy to suck TDS ass, you pathetic piece of shit; you wouldn’t know integrity if it slapped you in the face.

                  “I’m not saying Amash is right but I don’t reject it out of hand.”
                  If he was right, he’d provide some evidence, you fucking idiot.

                  “As a side note I have to ask
                  Does the stupid burn when you pee you fucking half wit?”
                  I have to point out that *you* have the answer to that, shitstain.

                  1. Dude you really are the weakest link. I have dirty socks that read more effectively. There are people working in sheltered workshops with macaroni and glue who say

                    “You know what at least I’m not Sevo.”

                    This was my original post btw. Have a 7 year old explain it to you.

                    “That he doesn’t think Trump is awesome. Personally I am hard pressed to find things that don’t jibe well with libertarianism from Amash. Combine that with his obvious integrity and I don’t know how he got to DC. He is probably the only person in that entire city whose call for impeachment could get me to take a serious look.”

                    1. Thank God people are trying to take the three trolls to task finally, they had the run of the comments section far too long:

                      Sevo: Can only do ad hominem attacks.
                      Shitlords: An actual psycho.
                      Tulpa: Thread-stalking child.

                      LC gets a pass because he actually contributes from time to time.

      2. Unfortunately this is one of those areas wherein I keep a scorecard but not a highlight reel. I don’t remember the votes he took or things he said that made me say, repeatedly, “This guy’s supposedly libertarian?”

  11. Justin Amash is a rare specimen of politician. Integrity and a functioning brain. As such, it’s only a matter of time before his House seat is gerrymandered out of existence.

    1. Hattori Hanzo
      May.19.2019 at 3:14 pm
      “Justin Amash is a rare specimen of politician. Integrity and a functioning brain.”
      Thank you for your opinion.
      Please let us know when you have some evidence to support it.

    2. Last 2 days have seen a huge influx of socks.

      1. Media Matters just got their Internet Water Army grant for 2020 from Open Society Foundations.
        Expect an influx of these guys for the next 18 months.

  12. How long before we no longer talk about the Mueller report?

    1. I don’t know, but perhaps more than 100 years. It’s been almost that long since the Teapot Dome scandal, but on a hunch I Googled “Teapot Dome Trump” and got this:

      https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/what-teapot-dome-scandal-has-do-trump-tax-returns

    2. Considering Obama is mentioned 10 times in the comment section of an article about a Republican spat, I’d say quite a while.

  13. If only Amash’s tweets in this instance were not a lightweight move. Amash made vague assertions without citing what he thinks the specific grounds would be. If he is not going to pursue those further then he is just contributing to the ugly political atmosphere.

  14. “Oddly, the president also refers to himself in the third person, taking a swipe at the Mueller report as being written by “Angry Dems who hated Trump.””

    Are you proposing that the report was not written by angry Dems who hated Trump?

  15. Another thread, another day (and year, and decade) of wingnut malcontents losing the culture war and watching their betters establish the line the loudmouth clingers will toe.

    Carry on, Trump fans . . .

    1. Kirkland doesn’t just have to believe himself right, he has to believe he’s part of a victorious mob, a vanguard of the enlightened wreaking vengeance on the kulaks and wreckers.

      He acts like his self-esteem is built around being on the winning side.

      The idea of adhering to the right side, not knowing if it’s going to be successful, but doing his part to aid it, would seem to require too much courage.

      1. And losing so much has made him angry and miserable.

        1. People like me have been winning, and people like you have been losing, in America throughout our lifetimes. That’s why you guys are so bitter and blustery. Losing the culture war must suck.

          Winning it has been enjoyable and important.

          1. Keep on clingin’, gecko.

          2. To be fair, you think you win every time your welfare check arrives artie.

          3. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland
            May.19.2019 at 7:46 pm
            “Winning it has been enjoyable and important.”

            Tell us again about how winning the popular vote was winning. I’t very amusing when you make yet a bigger ass of yourself than normal.

    2. Comrade Kirkland !
      I writing to you from the past (12-12-07). I don’t know how I got here, but today’s BBC News headline is frightening, so spread the news before it’s too late.

      Arctic summers ice-free ‘by 2013’

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7139797.stm

    3. The democrats most popular candidate is moderate compared to the rest. Not exactly winning the culture war or moving the line here.

      1. We win the culture war when reason, science, tolerance, progress, inclusivity, education, and modernity prevail against ignorance, backwardness, dogma, bigotry, insularity, superstition, and general right-wing preferences.

    4. Losing the culture war Art?

      The right is the new counter culture.

      And I was in the thick of it in the 60s. I can see the parallels.

      Free Speech anyone? I listened to some Mario Savio’s speeches live. From 10ft away.

      1. And I was in the thick of it in the 60s. I can see the parallels.

        Free Speech anyone? I listened to some Mario Savio’s speeches live. From 10ft away.

        —-

        Yes, I too find it odd.

    5. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland
      May.19.2019 at 4:33 pm
      “Another thread, another day (and year, and decade) of wingnut malcontents…”

      Another repeat from the bigoted asshole loser.

      1. Wingnut malcontents?

        Is Kirkland talking about Amash, or does Kirkland think Amash is suddenly on his side for some reason?

        Is there another issue Kirkland supports Amash on, or is this the only one?

  16. I like Amash, but my impression is that he doesn’t have the first clue as to what really happened with Spygate

  17. Amash personally pulls between $100K and a million a year income from his family’s tool business that manufactures in China. Gee, I wonder why he would suddenly say that Trump, who just imposed tariffs on China, should be impeached?

    Maybe Reason should start doing their fucking homework instead of sucking off every do-nothing politician who pretends to be a libertarian. You know, like real journalists would do, as opposed to useless hacks.

    https://amash.house.gov/sites/amash.house.gov/files/documents/FinancialDisclosureReport2015.pdf

    1. Interesting! The plot thickens.

    2. Even if those tools were manufactured in Detroit, he’d still be wrong about impeaching the president over the voters’ objections.

      1. @Ken…you are correct. He’s also wrong on impeaching the President for non-obstruction of a non-crime. Everything about Amash’s recent outburst stinks, and I think we should be seriously questioning why anyone who cares about law or due process or basic honesty should be looking at Amash as some unimpeachable bastion of integrity when his accusation makes no sense at all.

        Personally, I got fed up with the guy a couple of years ago when I realized that he was utterly ineffective as a Congressman and only really seemed to show a knack for virtue signaling. The GOP had control of both houses of Congress and the White House, with a President who wanted to cut the budget, and what did Amash get accomplished? Not a fucking thing.

        That’s a red flag for a Flake-style phony right there.

        1. I love how you think Trump is the victim here.

          1. Jeff applauds every political investigation that causes damage in time and resources dedicated to defending oneself. Fuck off Jeff you authoritarian asshole.

            1. I’m familiar with Jeff. Best approach to his posts is to treat them like dogshit you accidentally stepped in…scrape it off your shoe on the sidewalk, drag your feet through the grass a bit, then continue with your day as usual.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist
            May.19.2019 at 7:44 pm
            “I love how you think Trump is the victim here.”

            I love how you move them goalposts when you’re caught once again with a mouth full of bullshit.

          3. Of course he’s the victim here: The FBI used a political hit piece they KNEW was a steaming heap as an excuse to spy on a Presidential campaign of the party opposite that controlling the White House at the time. They made more than one effort to entrap members of the campaign, they lied to multiple FISA judges to get the relevant warrants.

            The whole thing stinks on ice, and Mueller apparently went into the independent counsel job already knowing that.

    3. This makes sense if you think everything Trump does that coincidentally benefits his business interests is by definition nefarious. Of course you don’t because orange man good libertarian bad. For fuck sake when are ostensible fans of liberty going to shed their abusive and pathologically stupid Republican Party fandom?

      1. When are libertarians going to realize that libertarianism is nothing but a dead end political ideology for people who are too personally dysfunctional to work with anyone else to get real change implemented?

        I mean, so far the poster children for the movement are guys like Flake and Amash, who have accomplished precisely jack and shit. Thomas Massie is generally libertarian, and he’s a good rep, but he’s pretty much the only one in the House. The others just occupy space and have zero influence because everyone thinks they’re just losers and lightweights, which, to be blunt, they absolutely are.

        1. And what have those republicans who “get real change implemented” done? Oh yeah make government ever larger. The worst you can accuse Amash of is not making things better by himself where the rest of the Republican Party is actively making things worse.

          1. Tax reform
            Criminal justice reform
            Border security
            Addressing Chinese protectionism
            Deregulation

            All stuff that pseudo-free market people like Amash claim to support. But in reality, they only support it right up until the point where it conflicts with their own personal interests. And they don’t do anything to bring it about or to repeal legislation that gets in its way. Trump’s done more for pro-libertarian positions that all libertarian politicians have in the entire history of this country…and all Amash can do is whine about it.

            He’s a fraud.

            1. I’m not sure what’s cuter that you think trump and his let’s crack down on vaping fda has made large regulatory cuts or that Amash opposes regulations.

              Maybe your real problem is that Amash opposed those massive budget busting spending bills trump worked out with democrats?

              Sorry but the government is bigger and more out of control today than it was the day trump took office. The Republican Party is complicit in that and Amash isn’t.

              Sorry that I don’t get aroused that Amash hasn’t single handedly started a trade war. I’m also sorry that there are about a million libertarian priorities that are more important than building a wall.

              1. Read that “Amash opposes rolling back regulations”

                1. Amash hasn’t accomplished anything at any level. Number of bills he’s sponsored that became laws? Zero.

                  An empty chair could do his job with less whining.

                  1. I wish more representatives would do nothing. Doing nothing is often preferable to doing something.

                    1. That’s how we ended up with a GOP that didn’t stop Obama’s abuses and that emboldened Democrats to engage in massive vote fraud in California and swing a bunch of elections. Doing nothing at this stage is surrendering to the commies.

            2. More debt
              more spending

          2. Incidentally, you know why libertarian-leaning conservatives like Rand Paul and Thomas Massie can actually get things done by working with Trump and Amash can’t?

            Because Amash is nothing but a malcontent for whom virtue signaling and publicity are more important than results. Period. Paul and Massie think it’s more important to get things done…which is why they don’t have to pull stupid stunts like this and can work with other people (something Amash has never shown himself capable of).

            1. Yeah yeah. Better to just be a tool of Team Red, amirite?

              1. Why do you come here to embarrass yourself?

              2. You mean as opposed to the “team” consisting of fucktards such as yourself? Why yes, Jeffy…I do think being on Team Red is better.

      2. rudehost
        May.19.2019 at 6:05 pm
        “…Of course you don’t because orange man good libertarian bad…”

        Trump has done more for libertarian princi[les than Amish ever hoped to. But fucking victims of TDS make up funny names for him.
        Hint, loser: You and that hag lost so grow up and get over it.

        1. I’ll tell you what. I don’t post here frequently but I have plenty of history on reason. Why don’t you go search some of that and find where I have even hinted that I like Hillary. I’ll wait while you find someone who knows how to use a search engine.

    4. you should tweet that to the donald

  18. The charitable interpretation is that Amash has a terrible sense of proportion.

    The cynical interpretation is that he’s just found an easy way to get love and attention from the Left.

    1. He’s running. This is his attention-getting ouvert.
      Get your name in all the papers and then announce your candidacy.

    2. Or more likely his family is a huge tool manufacturing family that makes all its tools in you guessed it- China.

      1. Or at the very least that’s where they get the materials for those tools.

      2. I wonder how long the Breitbart crowd has been sitting on this info, just waiting for the right time to use it to smear Amash.

        1. Chemjeff – you post the same crap here as you do on Federalist. At least you’re a consistent troll.

        2. The Amash – China connection was brought up in the 2010 election by his Democrat opponent.

          It is a little hard to find currently because it is being buried by “impeachment”

          I can help.

          Amash – Dynamic Source International

          https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/18/republican-justin-amash-calls-for-impeachment-while-holding-personal-business-interests-in-china/

    3. He could just write for Reason if he wanted love and attention from the Left.

    4. Why would Amash need love and attention from the “left”? They’re not who elected him.

      1. You can ask Romney, Bill Weld, W. Bush, Gary Johnson, Boehner, Jeff Flake, and now Amash.

        1. Men of “principle.”

    5. You know, it could be that he actually believes what he is saying.

      1. That would mean he is psychotic

  19. As for Napolitano, story from Trump was that Napolitano was bitter because Trump wouldn’t consider him for a major judicial appointment. Which makes a lot more sense than any of the crap Napolitano has been slinging about Trump. Most of what Napolitano writes that’s critical of the President ends up being debunked by current events and it’s an open question whether he’s really less of a conspiracy theorist than Alex Jones. It’s probably still Jones who’s worse, if only because Jones seems to believe most of what he says and Napolitano appears to be just nursing a grudge.

  20. If I was Amish, I’d be afraid of the woman holding the ACA sign.

  21. Here we go with the usual suspects coming out of the woodwork to defend Trump and bash Amash.

    Amash has more principle in his pinky toe than Trump has in his entire orange body.

    I love these allegations that Amash is somehow motivated by personal financial considerations regarding his business. Clearly some sort of smear job dug up by the Breitbart-type folks in order to tear down anyone who stands in the way of Dear Leader.

    Trump is right about one thing: he could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone in broad daylight, and his followers would still find a way to defend him. “But Hillary! But Gorsuch! But tax cuts!”

    I suppose it was due for the Right to have their “Obama moment” like the Left and to have their own moment with a cult of personality. But at some point I hope the Right comes back to their senses and starts advocating for a platform based on ideas rather than personalities. I think the Left is already beyond Obama worship. It will be interesting to see what a post-Trump Republican Party looks like. Obama opened the door, via ObamaCare, for Bernie et al. to be advocating seriously for single-payer. What will Trump open up the door for future Republicans to be arguing? Shooting Mexicans? Complete autarky? Mandatory flag waving and gun ownership?

    1. Amash has more principle in his pinky toe than Trump has in his entire orange body.

      Well, you know, that’s just like your opinion, man.

    2. “Here we go with the usual suspects blah balh blah”

      Jesus fucking christ do you EVER stop bitching about other people?

      1. Jesus fucking christ
        ——

        If Jesus is God then He can fuck Himself and he could even fuck the Virgin Mary and both could still be virgins.

        I speak as Catholic raised. I was even an altar boy.

      2. do you EVER stop bitching about other people?

        Well, you don’t, so why should he?

    3. chemjeff radical individualist
      May.19.2019 at 6:51 pm
      “Amash has more principle in his pinky toe than Trump has in his entire orange body.”

      Fucking TDS victims HATE evidence:
      1) DeVos
      2) Gorsuch
      3) Kavanuagh
      4) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
      5) Major reduction in the growth of regulations
      6) Dow +30%
      7) Unemployment at 3.8%
      8) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high
      9) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
      10) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
      11) Not sure about the tax reform; any “reform” that leaves me subisdizing Musk’s customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once.
      12) In the waning days of 2017, the Trump administration pulled its support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
      13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan
      14) MIGHT have a deal to de-nuke NK.
      15) Killed monbeeam’s choo-cho0
      And finally:
      15) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin’

      1. 15) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin’

        This is the most important one to you, isn’t it?

        That is why Trump can do no wrong in your eyes. Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, “lefties” (and normal people too) would get outraged, and you would be laughing at how Trump has pwned the libs again.

        1. “15) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their asses are catchin’”
          This is the most important one to you, isn’t it?”

          Nah, it’s #15, but keep on steppin’ and fetchin’, you fucking lefty ignoramus.

      2. “Major reduction in the growth of regulations”

        Yes this is indeed exciting for libertarians. Regulations have grown just more slowly. Yay! That makes me want to open my heart and checkbook for team red.

        1. rudehost
          May.19.2019 at 8:37 pm
          “Major reduction in the growth of regulations”
          Yes this is indeed exciting for libertarians. Regulations have grown just more slowly. Yay! That makes me want to open my heart and checkbook for team red.”

          Yeah, shitstains like you much prefer ‘way more regulations! Makes you want to suck D ass, doesn’t it?

          1. No I prefer way fewer. I’m not someone who praises someone for raping me all gentle like. I praise moves in the right direction not slower moves in the wrong one but hey I’m a libertarian not an angry gas station attenendant. Nothing personal mind you. You need to work in a place suited to your abilities and I don’t begrudge you that.

            1. “…but hey I’m a libertarian…”
              Ha, ha, ha! You’re a real laugh riot!

              “…not an angry gas station attenendant….”
              Let us know where you work. I might be able to get you a promotion if you can learn to pump gas, shitstain.

            2. So when you’re going in the wrong direction, using the brakes isn’t an advantage, because the brakes can’t turn you around?

              Actually, though, some regulations have been reduced.

        2. BTW, to you and the other ignoramus; I see we’re still awaiting evidence to back Amash’s claim, and also how much better a ‘libertarian’ that Trump is.
          I have a feeling we’ll wait a looooong time; given the lack of intelligence on both our parts and the lack of evidence besides.

      3. Ah, see, but none of that is principle, Sevo, just accomplishment!

      4. +10000

      5. Something Trump accomplished just by being elected: showing that even in the USA, you can get elected head of state against the wishes of both major party establishments, and of the Establishment generally.

        The popular will has not been salubrious in this any more than any other country. However, for the whole of my lifetime and longer, we’ve been governed considerably worse than the popular will. It’ll be a great advance for freedom if we can reduce authoritarianism to populism, and Trump’s the first major step in doing so. (That is, the average person is a would-be tyrant, but not as bad as the tyranny we’ve been getting.)

        1. To make it simpler, the average person wants slavery, but we’ve been getting slavery + torture. I believe we have a good chance to get rid of the torture. We’ll still be stuck with slavery, because that’s a lot harder to get rid of, but without the torture the slavery will be a relief.

      6. I’m not sure any of that demonstrates that Trump acts on principle.

        I’m not saying he doesn’t, necessarily. But I remain unconvinced that he acts based on any principle.

        1. Everything Trump has accomplished to reduce government and some of the bad policies that Libertarians are against…

          is 100% random.

          Come on people.

          Trump’s staff tweet for him, did you know that?

    4. You’re consistent in not providing logical or intellectual arguments shithead.

    5. That’s probably true about the principle. But I’d rather have the unprincipled guy who’s good!

    6. Amash has more principle in his pinky toe than Trump has in his entire orange body

      True. And that’s where he keeps his principles and his intellect tightly imprisoned: in his pinky toe, where it can’t possibly influence his actions. That’s why he defends persecuting people for daring to object to a fabricated criminal persecution for something (Mueller) that shouldn’t even be a crime in the first place (getting dirt on his political opponents).

    7. Gosh, look at the pigeon once again arguing personalities instead of principles. Any means to a progressive end, right?

  22. […] believe Amash is going to run as a Libertarian. Reason’s Nick Gillespie believes otherwise writing there’s now a compelling reason for Amash to be the Libertarian nominee. It would have to […]

  23. […] believe Amash is going to run as a Libertarian. Reason’s Nick Gillespie believes otherwise writing there’s now a compelling reason for Amash to be the Libertarian nominee. It would have to depend […]

  24. […] believe Amash is going to run as a Libertarian. Reason’s Nick Gillespie believes otherwise writing there’s now a compelling reason for Amash to be the Libertarian nominee. It would have to depend […]

  25. […] believe Amash is going to run as a Libertarian. Reason’s Nick Gillespie believes otherwise writing there’s now a compelling reason for Amash to be the Libertarian nominee. It would have to […]

  26. Amash should skip the presidential run and try to get elected to the Senate. Far more power there than in the House, and a million times more likely to win than the Presidency.

    1. He needs to peel off the hard-core McAfee supporters. Become President of a seasteading republic and invade the U. S. from there.

      1. But remember…this sound means “no.”

  27. […] believe Amash is going to run as a Libertarian. Reason’s Nick Gillespie believes otherwise writing there’s now a compelling reason for Amash to be the Libertarian nominee. It would have to depend […]

  28. Amash lies about the origin of the tools his family company sells. Look in the comments for extensive details.

  29. OT:
    “As Suicides Rise, Insurers Find Ways to Deny Mental Health Coverage”
    […]
    “The U.S. is in the midst of a mental health crisis. In 2017, 47,000 Americans died by suicide and 70,000 from drug overdoses. And 17.3 million adults suffered at least one major depressive episode. The Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act, a landmark law passed more than a decade ago, requires insurers to provide comparable coverage for mental health and medical treatments. Even so, insurers are denying claims, limiting coverage, and finding other ways to avoid complying with the law.
    […]
    In March of this year, a judge found United Behavioral Health liable for breaching fiduciary duty and denying benefits, saying the insurer considered its bottom line “as much or more” than the well-being of its members in developing coverage guidelines….”
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-05-16/insurance-covers-mental-health-but-good-luck-using-it?utm_source=pocket-newtab

    It is Bloomberg, so it’s an odds-on bet that it’s of a quality equal to CNN; that first paragraph provides what passes for evidence to support the headline, while the second gives you a good idea of how much certain judges understand business.
    Help yourself, but a lame law supposedly guaranteeing mental health care does nothing of the sort, since, like mental health in general, it’s open to wide interpretation.

  30. I bet you people would pay to be called a loser by Trump.

    1. Can’t you come up with a better objection to reality than that?

    2. Why would we do that? Being called a “loser” by Trump gives you instant stardom among progressives and TDS. I bet you would pay for that. Amash certainly is happy today.

    3. hello. i understood what you meant.

  31. That any of Trump’s actions are capable of “satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice” speaks more towards the low hurdle it has become to meet those elements in the legal sense than it speaks towards the sinister nature of the actions themselves.

  32. Justin Amash, meet William Weld, Gary Johnson, Jeff Flake, Evan McMullin, Butch Otter, Jared Polis and a slew of other forgettable statist hacks that Reason has tried to canonize as “The Great Libertarian Hope” at one time or another.

    1. +100

  33. […] believe Amash is going to run as a Libertarian. Reason’s Nick Gillespie believes otherwise writing there’s now a compelling reason for Amash to be the Libertarian nominee. It would have to […]

  34. What Amash says carries weigt for me. So i will listen.
    Why doesnt Reason ever cover that dude Hasan Minhaj?
    He’s right up your ballywick, id imagine.

  35. Throughout his career, Amash has been a paragon of virtuous governance, routinely putting principle before party and sharing his reasoning for each vote he takes with via his Facebook page, whose catchphrase is “I defend liberty and explain every vote here.”

    Except when he “Did not Vote”.

  36. I think all the staff need to get together and settle something about the random outbursts of TDS that get published. If there isn’t a sufficient bar to clear for indictment (or in this case, recommending prosecution/impeachment), that IS exoneration because we still presume that every person is innocent until proven guilty.

    1. +1000000

    2. It’s really disturbing we’re still crying about this. It’s politics. You can think it’s wrong that Trump was exonerated (And he was, by default.), but it’s over. Start looking at the mess the Obama administration left behind and focus on…oh, I don’t know…government abuse of power.

  37. […] himself. Trump accused Napolitano of previously angling for a Supreme Court seat, and now he has accused Amash of being a “total lightweight” and a […]

  38. Welcome to the new wokatarianism where principles don’t matter as long as you get what you want. Evidence? That only matters if you have a D after your name, and even then who needs evidence when you make decisions based on tarmac meetings anyway.

  39. Lol

  40. […] himself. Trump accused Napolitano of previously angling for a Supreme Court seat, and now he has accused Amash of being a “total lightweight” and a […]

  41. Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.

    Totally and patently false. We would absolutely fail to indict a Vice President, Secretary of State, sitting Congresspersons, Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs, Attorney Generals, probably Sr. Directors of varying agencies… it’s probably not until you get into outgoing Senators, governors, upper tier generals, and the heads of political parties that indictment becomes ‘highly probable’.

    1. And Amash’s assertion is actually a bit insidious if you think about it. If we say a Senator was alleged to have colluded with Russians to win his election and, upon completion of the investigation, discovered that, while he was less than completely cooperative with the investigation that, nonetheless he had not colluded, would we still indict him? Really?

  42. […] himself. Trump accused Napolitano of previously angling for a Supreme Court seat, and now he has accused Amash of being a “total lightweight” and a […]

  43. […] himself. Trump accused Napolitano of previously angling for a Supreme Court seat, and now he has accused Amash of being a “total lightweight” and a […]

  44. […] “Donald Trump Responds To Justin Amash: ‘Never a Fan…Total Lightweight…Loser,&#82…” by Nick Gillespie […]

  45. One thing a lot of people don’t get is that it is a crime to obstruct justice even when no original crime was committed. That is the current scenario. Now that may seem unfair, and maybe it should be changed. But if what Amash said is true, and Trump obstructed justice, then there could theoretically be”impeachable” conduct on the table if obstructing justice is, constitutionally speaking, an impeachable offense.

    1. One thing a lot of people don’t get is that it is a crime to obstruct justice even when no original crime was committed. That is the current scenario.

      What you don’t get is that we understand that just fine. Your problem is that you don’t seem to understand (1) what impeachment means, and (2) what views libertarians actually hold.

      But if what Amash said is true, and Trump obstructed justice, then there could theoretically be”impeachable” conduct on the table if obstructing justice is, constitutionally speaking, an impeachable offense.

      Presidents are impeachable for “high crimes and misdemeanors”, not “any violation of any federal statute or law that a prosecutor can construct a theory for”.

      Now that may seem unfair, and maybe it should be changed.

      It should be changed; no American should be thrown in jail on technicalities. But whether it is or is not changed is not relevant to the question of whether it is an impeachable offense.

      1. Right now, in point of fact, something is impeachable if Nancy Pelosi says it’s impeachable. Put that in your bong and suck it.

        He only engaged in process crimes! Presidents are like toddlers. You have to let them commit some crimes in order to do his job of bombing Muslims. What are we, some kind of government skeptics or something?

        1. Right now, in point of fact, something is impeachable if Nancy Pelosi says it’s impeachable. Put that in your bong and suck it.

          Pelosi can only get the process started; it takes Senate approval to actually impeach.

          You have to let them commit some crimes in order to do his job of bombing Muslims.

          I agree that presidents and Congressmen should be removed from office and imprisoned for bombing civilians without justification. Obama and much of Congress are guilty of that one.

          But, hey, partisan totalitarians like you are totally cool with war mongers and mass murderers as long as they are on the left.

          1. While I’m annoyed to give 8th grade civics lessons, impeachment and conviction are different things and happen in different houses of Congress.

            And, not that you’d see it on the news, Trump ramped up bombing of civilians, just as he promised during the campaign. I’m sure you paid attention while you were studiously deciding whether a fat orange incompetent corrupt sex criminal should be the leader of the free world.

            1. impeachment and conviction are different things and happen in different houses of Congress.

              I’m glad you understand that! Your previous comments suggested that you didn’t know.

              So you’re right: Pelosi can start impeachment proceedings in the House and be certain not to get a conviction. I encourage her to do so! It would be a great sh*tshow, and further hurt Democrats at the polls.

              And, not that you’d see it on the news, Trump ramped up bombing of civilians, just as he promised during the campaign.

              The number of civilian deaths in Iraq has steadily fallen since 2014. Maybe you have some data to support your view?

              I’m sure you paid attention while you were studiously deciding whether a fat orange incompetent corrupt sex criminal should be the leader of the free world.

              I voted for Obama and I didn’t vote for Trump. But people like you have convinced me that I’m going to vote for Trump next time around because a “fat orange incompetent corrupt sex criminal” makes a far better “leader of the free world” than the panel of totalitarian socialists that the Democrats have put up.

              See, the reason why we differ on this is because you want a competent totalitarian who can efficiently take away everybody’s freedoms, whereas I prefer anybody who is incapable of taking away people’s freedoms, whether due to conviction or incompetence.

  46. I really wish I could disagree with The Don on this one. At best, Amish and Randal give God’s Own Prohibitionists a taste of what it feels like to be infiltrated by superstitious, girl-bullying impostors and Fifth Columnists.

  47. Would our government be better overall if it were filled with people like Amash? Hell yeah! He’s pretty decent on most issues… But he has a wicked case of TDS. What exactly is helpful about saying stuff that is bullshit to begin with, WILL help your political enemies, and will hurt your own prospects? NOTHING. It’s retarded.

    Also, on every issue where libertarians are split, he tends to go the WRONG direction as far as the way I go. IMO Ron Paul, and Rand to a lesser degree, are vastly superior. They understand borders should be a thing, that it’s not entirely insane to have social standards on some thing, etc. Amash seems to have NO CLUE how to play the political game. Neither did Ron, but as I said I tend to agree with the direction he breaks on split issues at least. Rand, in many ways, is the best of both worlds in practice. I dislike him for not being as principled as his dad, but he’s really more effective because of it.

    He’s awesome AF on 99% of things. He breaks the right way MOST, but not all, of the time. AND he’s smart enough to play the political game. Amash is too stupid to realize he’s actually being counter productive with his behavior, and marginalizing himself and his future political potential.

    Should the world require people to bend with the winds sometimes? Probably not. But it does. Hence Rand is a far better example of how libertarians leaners should be handling themselves. If you constantly marginalize yourself, you’ll never be able to get things done. Rand can actually get a meeting with Trump, THE PRESIDENT, I don’t think Amash could, or will ever be able to. Who is better positioned to advance liberty?

  48. I’d like to see some one write up suggested articles of impeachment.

    Write it up like a prosecutor presenting an indictment.

    How hard can it be?

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