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Indiana Teachers Say Cops Shot Them with Airsoft Bullets During Active Shooter Training

How does shooting teachers with pellet guns make anyone safer?

Joe Setyon | 3.21.2019 1:10 PM

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Teachers at Meadowlawn Elementary School in Monticello, Indiana, allege they were pelted with airsoft gun bullets by police during an active shooter drill in January.

Gail Zeharalis, a representative for the Indiana State Teachers Association (ISTA), testified about the incident at an Indiana Senate hearing Wednesday, RTV6 reported. "During active shooter drill, four teachers at a time were taken into a room, told to crouch down and were shot execution style with some sort of projectiles—resulting in injuries to the extent that welts appeared, and blood was drawn," the teacher's union wrote on Twitter:

The teachers were terrified, but were told not to tell anyone what happened. Teachers waiting outside that heard the screaming were brought into the room four at a time and the shooting process was repeated.

— Indiana State Teachers Association (@ISTAmembers) March 20, 2019

Two anonymous teachers confirmed what happened to the Indianapolis Star. "They told us, 'This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing," one of the teachers said. "They shot all of us across our backs. I was hit four times."

Ronen Tivony/NurPhoto/Sipa USA/Newscom

The incident took place as part an active shooter training program called ALICE (Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, Evacuate). It's a nationwide program, though it usually does not involve shooting teachers with pellet guns. County Sheriff Bill Brooks' office oversaw the training, though he couldn't go into specifics because he only took office that month and said he was not there when the airsoft guns were used.

Still, Brooks offered a confusing defense of the practice to the Star. While seemingly refusing to confirm that teachers were shot at all, he also said the teachers "all knew they could be" because "it's a shooting exercise."

"It's a soft, round projectile," he told Star of the plastic pellets used in the airsoft guns. "The key here is 'soft.'" The practice ended, he added, after a teacher complained.

The ISTA went public with the allegations as part of an effort to amend a proposed school safety bill to clarify that teachers shouldn't be shot. It seems like a pretty reasonable demand. After all, it's hard to understand how shooting teachers with pellet guns makes anyone safer.

Incidents like these highlight the oftentimes needless and extreme measures taken during active shooter drills. In 2014, Lenore Skenazy wrote for Reason about armed police who swarmed into a middle school in Florida without warning teachers or students that it was a drill:

The fear that teachers might suffer heart attacks, that kids might experience psychotic breakdowns, that someone with his own weapon might shoot real bullets in defense—none of that seemed to occur to our peacekeepers. Nor did the notion that distraught parents might race frantically to the school, endangering anyone in their path.

As Reason's Jesse Walker has argued, these sorts of overly realistic simulations don't prepare students and teachers for disasters as much as they pointlessly reenact past tragedies. They're also not terribly effective, as Erika Christakis has written in The Atlantic.

The truth is, schools are actually relatively safe. School shootings are tragic, but thankfully, very rare. In fact, some research suggests schools might even be safer now than they were in the 1990s, as Robby Soave has pointed out.

With that in mind, it's very hard to defend the kind of institutionalized self-harm that Indiana teachers say they were subjected to.

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Joe Setyon is currently an associate story editor for The Western Journal, a publication based in Arizona. He is a former assistant editor at Reason.

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  1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

    That's why they never do stuff like this in boot camp. Getting shot at never prepares you for getting shot at.

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    3. IceTrey   6 years ago

      Is that sarcasm?

  2. SchillMcGuffin   6 years ago

    "They told us, 'This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing," one of the teachers said. "They shot all of us across our backs. I was hit four times."

    This is darkly hilarious in its irony. And, of course, if one of the teachers had "done something", like hauled off and decked the officer, they'd have been straight-facedly prosecuted.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

      OBJECT LESSON: SHEEP NEED TO BE TAUGHT NOT TO BE SHEEP. Except when we require them to be sheep.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      It would have been funny if a teacher had an airsoft and shot them while defending the classroom.

      1. R. K. Phillips   6 years ago

        Where's the darned "Like" button? Oh, this ain't FB ...

  3. Curt   6 years ago

    Let's not pretend... This is a program to allow psychopaths to live out their fantasies.

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   6 years ago

      Let's not go overboard, Curt. We have some colorful characters here in the commentariat but I wouldn't go so far as to call them psychopaths.

      Oh, you meant the cops. My mistake.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

        I think there might be a fair amount of autism here at least.

        1. Dillinger   6 years ago

          five minutes to Wapner!

        2. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

          Yeah, I think several commenters are neurodiverse. That's why I try not to be too hard on them.

          1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

            1. Hihn [who often gets banned and returns via various socks, you can usually get him to go off on certain tangents like "Left + Right = 0" that he just can't help. I sincerely believe he suffers from psychosis and that he spends a lot of time in psychiatric hospitals.
            2. Tony, who wants everyone else to provide for his needs and take care of him so he can do whatever it is he does, which appears to mostly be baiting people who identifies at conservative and/or libertarian.
            3. Then there's "The Rev;" best description I've seen of him is that he is a "bowl of gall bladders and failed dictators that somehow became sentient." Whatever he or it is it can't say much beyond "carry on clingers" and "your betters will show you the way" etc.

            Did I miss any?

            1. Azathoth!!   6 years ago

              Chip and Crusty?

              Whateverthehell Sparky and Old Mexican have morphed into?

      2. Curt   6 years ago

        Yeah, if this was the comments for the daily links it would be a different story. But in this case, it was a reference to the cops.

    2. An Owl Named Dur   6 years ago

      Policing itself is a program to allow psychopaths to live out their fantasies.

  4. Enjoy Every Sandwich   6 years ago

    I'm certainly on board with realistic training, but execution style? I don't see what training objective that would accomplish.

    On the other hand, "shooting" a teacher who tried rushing a "gunman" would be useful, in the sense of teaching them what is possible and what isn't when dealing with an armed attacker.

    But trust the police to fuck it up. Somebody explain to me again why they should be the only ones trusted with guns?

    1. Azathoth!!   6 years ago

      Execution style because they failed.

      ALICE training talks about evaluating your situation, about when you should fight back, and when you should hide, and when you should run.

      The only reason any of these idiots got hit by an airsoft pellet is because they sat there and let someone kill them.

  5. Unicorn Abattoir   6 years ago

    If teachers were allowed to be armed in school, cops wouldn't try this stuff.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      You're not going to shoot a person with holding an airsoft with a real firearm. Only government is allowed to do that.

  6. SQRLSY One   6 years ago

    Yes, these "training" exercises have a history of getting out of control...

    Did y'all ever hear of the below?

    There's another area where role-playing can go too far. Far less well known, though, is the fact that NASA conducted similar training exercises. Train the astronauts not to sexually harass each other, sure, yes, but even more so, to not dehumanize each other, either. Being at a very high-tech and rule-following organization, and all, NASA employees might tend to start regarding each other, sometimes, as "productivity units", see, so in the role-playing games, they weren't Fred and Susie and Alan, they were Astronaut A, Astronaut B, Astronaut C, and so, on and on. So they could SEE just how bad dehumanization is, of course, was the noble goal.

    So then go check out Astronauts Lisa Nowak and William Oefelein , see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak . Would you be surprised to learn that when they had taken their dehumanization-etc. role-playing NASA exercises, they had both been assigned to play "Astronaut-E"? They became the roles that they had played, and they became astronaughty indeed!

    1. SQRLSY One   6 years ago

      As soon as all this happened, NASA discontinued this kind of training altogether. They are still running in fear of what happens when "Astronaut-C" gets carried away and does HIS thing (in public even)! It was, I am quite sure, Astronaut-C, role-playing-run-amok, AKA AstroNAZI, that taught The Donald to talk about the "good people on both sides of the protests" at Charleston, to include White Nationalists! Let it be known that I figured it out first!

  7. Dillinger   6 years ago

    "Hey I told you, you don't get your gun until you tell me your name."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRLVgFNTnIg

  8. Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian   6 years ago

    These unionized teachers are almost certainly libtards who would vote against gun rights, so they got what they deserve.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

      I agree.

    2. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      Crusty understands the difference between sarcasm and parody.

  9. colorblindkid   6 years ago

    I don't find anything wrong with the pellet guns. I have a problem with these drills to begin with. They will not stop a single shooting from happening, and the collective psychological damage to society from constantly fearmongering about irrational fears from absurdly rare events is far more dangerous than the threat of the actual thing we're told to fear.

    A kid is probably just as likely to be killed by a previously deported illegal immigrant who sneaked back into the country as he is in a school shooting. Both are irrational fears. The difference is that the entire media is comprised of Democrats so they push the "correct" narratives and irrational fears and hysteria, which happen to be the ones that further Democrat talking points.

    1. A Thinking Mind   6 years ago

      I honestly don't mind a little security theater as long it's not actively hurting anyone and isn't too expensive.

      In general, people are stupid. But if you tell them there's a plan for what to do in an active shooter scenario, they feel a little better about the plan being handled. People having such freakouts about these insanely rare incidents that that adding an extra drill twice a year isn't adding to the panic.

      It's when they need to do these monthly, and then spend a ton of time producing media and materials and demonstrations that it gets out of hand. Plus, there's the shit like this where they're shooting people and accomplishing literally shit. The chances that any of these teachers are involved with an actual school shooter are statistically negligible.

      The only thing they need to know is that in an emergency situation, the only person who will be responsible for you is you.

  10. LiborCon   6 years ago

    "This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing,"

    But we won't let you carry guns so this is what will happen.

  11. scape   6 years ago

    Do they set fires and burn teachers during fire drills? Do they break windows and cut students during tornado drills? Because that's what happens if you just cower and do nothing.

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   6 years ago

      You know who else cowered and did nothing, and got sprayed across the back?

      1. Just the Tip   6 years ago

        Tony's unwitting duct-taped and blindfolded boy-toy?

        1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

          I've said it before and I'll say it again: Tony is the reincarnation of John Wayne Gacy. I just know it.

          1. Tony   6 years ago

            I hope you're not implying that I'm fat.

      2. Last of the Shitlords   6 years ago

        The kids in the videos that PB posts on Reason comment boards?

  12. Thrackmoor   6 years ago

    I went through ALICE training. The airsoft was weird but harmless. I never once heard any complaints from other teachers and most of us learned that we were allowed to fight back, a radical departure from what was taught before the training. The deputies were very professional and courteous - not a single dog shot that day! Other days... I can't comment.

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

      I lived on a cattle farm for a brief time; one of our pastimes was shooting the young bulls on the rump with an airsoft to watch the reaction.

      No animals were harmed in this pathetic amusement.

  13. crufus   6 years ago

    If you don't get to live out your fantasy of shooting teachers who lorded it over you when you were a D+ student in high school then why would you want to be a cop?

    1. Thrackmoor   6 years ago

      You assume they were D+ students... remember "D is for Diploma."

      1. AD-RtR/OS!   6 years ago

        It certainly is in the LAUSD.

  14. Real Books   6 years ago

    "During active shooter drill, four teachers at a time were taken into a room, told to crouch down and were shot execution style with some sort of projectiles?resulting in injuries to the extent that welts appeared, and blood was drawn"

    Is this a problem?

    1. Quo Usque Tandem   6 years ago

      Not for me. Sounds like some folks [former students most likely] got some payback that day.

  15. Mongo   6 years ago

    I thought the cops overdid it by releasing a 76 page racist manifesto before the drill if you axe me.

  16. D-Pizzle   6 years ago

    This was battery, both criminal and tortious (civil). Go to the state police and file charges. Then, go to your doctor and claim that, since this happened, you've been getting headaches and have been unable to sleep. Then, file civil suit. Any ambulance chaser will do.

    *Still, Brooks offered a confusing defense of the practice to the Star. While seemingly refusing to confirm that teachers were shot at all, he also said the teachers "all knew they could be" because "it's a shooting exercise."*

    Seems the new sheriff's counsel knows this was problematic, thus the "refusing to confirm" part.

    Oh wait. This is unionized public school teachers versus cops. Tough to pick a pony in that race.

  17. Robert Beckman   6 years ago

    This sounds like some cop read a book on SERE, and tried to recreate it, but didn't understand the point.

    You don't put 4 teachers in a room and execute them.

    You put 4 teachers in a room and tell them you're going to execute them, then walk in 2 minutes later and try to do so. If they're good they don't get shot and they overcome the attacker, and if not, well...... that's why airsoft hurts, so they have an incentive to try harder next time, because in the real world, there is no next time.

    And of course, you give any of the teachers with concealed carry permits their own airsoft guns, in part to demonstrate the difference, and don't tell the cops which are which.

  18. Will Seth   6 years ago

    I don't know if it makes anyone safer, but who doesn't want to shoot a teacher with a welt-inducing pellet gun. Doesn't even break the skin, but it'd be fun.

  19. drisco304   6 years ago

    Sounds like they were training the teachers, whereas what should be emphasized is training the officers. The Broward County fiasco showed that getting the officers into the building is often the difficult part.

  20. Eggprd   6 years ago

    Ya'know, this doesn't pass the sniff test. I suspect that there is a lot more to the story. Training cops and teachers and schools for active shooters is in the public interest. But we don't want to tell wackos how people are being trained to deal with them. The ITSA version sounds too bad to be true. Maybe ITSA doesn't like the training or maybe it was just like they said and the cops blew the training - who can say. Public meetings in Monticello would be great but it should not be dealt with on the internet. For what its worth, airsoft is a lot less painful than paintballs or simunition.

  21. majil   6 years ago

    Home School!

  22. majil   6 years ago

    Home School!

  23. majil   6 years ago

    Home School!

  24. majil   6 years ago

    Home School!

    1. Eddy   6 years ago

      Can't be said enough.

      Seriously, if the public school is such a dangerous environment, why go there?

      It's like going to a college where you have a 5 in 4 chance of being raped - why put yourself through that?

      1. Doug Huffman   6 years ago

        Home school. Prepare for Hillsdale College .edu. Send your kidz. Send your money. I do.

      2. Trainer   6 years ago

        It's part of the socialization process that homeschooled kids don't get- be victim, be snowflake, be totally dependent on the government.

  25. Eddy   6 years ago

    ""They told us, 'This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing,""

    I thought what happened is that you stayed safe and got to hang around the building while the shooting was going on without risking your own life.

    Oh, wait, I'm thinking of that cop in the Florida school shooting.

  26. zarlor   6 years ago

    There is a bit of confusion by lack of consistent verbiage in this article, I think. Airsoft ammo are little, plastic, (round) BBs. Depending on the power of the airsoft gun shooting them they MIGHT, MAYBE cause a small bruise, at most. They can be a little painful (so I'm not saying they are pleasant or appropriate to use in this situation, to be clear.) Pellets are generally made of lead and shaped kind of like a bucket and can be used in most often in pellet rifle air guns (NOT airsoft) and can even potentially be used in small game hunting. They certainly have the potential to break skin. Finally bullets are a completely different thing from either of those, even when talking about the rubber simunition bullets, which can be quite painful in the same vane as paintball and can leave welts and large bruises. All 3 of those terms were used to describe the airsoft plastic BBs in the article which makes it quite confusing to distinguish for certain what exactly was used in this instance and that distinction, at least to me, makes quite a bit of difference when considering just how horrific this incidence might have been.

    1. Trainer   6 years ago

      I shot myself in the index finger once, point blank with an airsoft gun and it hurt like heck and definitely left a mark. I didn't do it on purpose but I know I won't do it again. When you consider that execution style shootings are point blank, I can see where it could leave a mark and possibly break skin in a more sensitive area like the back of the neck or shoulder.

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  28. buybuydandavis   6 years ago

    "How does shooting teachers with pellet guns make anyone safer?"

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  29. Doug Huffman   6 years ago

    Experience in "Active Shooter Training" (scare-quotes) is a good 'teacher'. A bad experience is a better teacher. The ONLY defense against a shooter is with a gun. ARM TEACHERS.

    Good people ought to be armed as they will, with wits and guns and The Truth. #MAGA

  30. Liberty Lover   6 years ago

    The HuffPo said the teachers were shot in the "head" with a "Pellet" gun. It was and "Airsoft" gun. That is exactly why
    anti-gun people cannot write gun legislation.

    1. Trainer   6 years ago

      But was it a semi-automatic airsoft gun?

      1. Liberty Lover   6 years ago

        I don't know, they didn't have air soft guns when I was a kid, and it doesn't matter, the air soft gun was "scary looking" and that is what counts!

        1. Griffin3   6 years ago

          It had a thing that went up.

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