Bill Weld

Bill Weld: White Supremacists Heard Trump's 'Dog Whistle Loud and Clear'

In a New Yorker interview, the would-be primary challenger compares the president to Charles Lindbergh.

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Three weeks into the exploratory phase of his potential primary challenge to President Donald Trump, former Massachusetts governor and 2016 Libertarian vice presidential nominee Bill Weld continues making the national media rounds, for instance telling MSNBC's Chuck Todd yesterday that it would be "unlikely" for him not to go through with a campaign. "I`m probably going to decide in the month of April," Weld said. "What would have prevented me would be just absolutely no support out there. But, you know, so far as I hear from anybody, it's 'Right on, right on.'"

One of Weld's more striking recent exchanges came with New Yorker Editor David Remnick, who was trying to understand why the GOP has "moved so far to the right." Excerpt:

[Remnick]: I think some Republicans have comforted themselves by thinking that Donald Trump is an aberration within the Party. But other people think that he's the logical end result of decades of the Party élite, the G.O.P. élite whipping up the base, whether it was the Tea Party movement or other aspects of the Party. And you've got this very, very strong racist strain that's come to the fore. How do you battle that? How do you kill it?

[Weld]: Well, I'm going to publicize it. I'm going to remind everybody that during the 2016 campaign the Trump campaign circulated images of George Lincoln Rockwell. George Lincoln Rockwell was the founder of the American Nazi Party, and the white supremacists who saw those knew exactly who George Lincoln Rockwell was, and they heard the dog whistle loud and clear. It was almost like a clandestine campaign, because so much of it was conducted with words that weren't uttered publicly.

Just to be clear, you're putting the President of the United States in the same basket as the late head of the American Nazi Party. Am I correct? That's tough stuff.

I'm putting them in the same sentence, but, you know, I think the President, he makes no bones about the fact, he says "America First," which was Charles Lindbergh's fifth column before World War Two, and he says "I'm a nationalist." Well, it is the Party that took over in Nazi Germany in the nineteen-thirties. So that's the Nationalist Worker's Party.

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The George Lincoln Rockwell anecdote is a reference to this January 2016 Trump tweet quoting the account WhiteGenocideTM, which had posted a photoshopped image of Jeb Bush begging outside Trump Tower. WhiteGenocideTM, since suspended by Twitter, included on its feed a picture of Rockwell.

According to Fortune's Ben Kharakh and Dan Primack, "Trump neither explained nor apologized for the retweet and then, three weeks later, he did it again. This subsequent retweet was quickly deleted, but just two days later Trump retweeted a different user named @EustaceFash, whose Twitter header image at the time also included the term 'white genocide.'" Campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks told Fortune that "The retweets are based solely on the content, not the personal views of those individuals as they are not vetted, known or of interest to the candidate or the campaign."

While criticizing Trump over dodgy retweets and the etymology of "America First" feels pretty 2016, Weld has been accusing the president of dog-whistling for some time now. In a Reason Podcast interview last July, he said that Trump operatives would come to his rallies in 2016 holding "All lives matter" signs. "That is nothing but a dog whistle to the black haters and the white supremacists. Nothing but a dog whistle," he said. "In fact, the whole campaign was kind of a connected series of dog whistles. So I would take the mic and say, no, the correct answer to that question is 'Yes, Black lives do matter.' And that would kind of throw a wet blanket on the Trump guys."

When I asked Weld in April 2018 whether he had any regrets about vouching for Hillary Clinton on MSNBC one week before the election, part of his answer invoked the Trump/Nazi comparison: "I did express the fact that I thought that she was maybe more palatable than the Republican candidate, whom I've compared to certain figures in Germany in the 1930s and '40s, and never saw anything during the campaign that made me see fit to change my opinion there," he said.

And part of Weld's sales pitch to New Hampshire voters is that he will call Trump out on his divisiveness. "The sense is these days in Washington from the top right on down is an effort almost to pit group against group and to divide the country," he said in Henniker late last month. "That was the hallmark of the campaign…but I don't think that's the job of the president of the United States."

It's early yet, but Weld's campaign is not drawing rave reviews. A University of New Hampshire poll of 218 likely voters at the end of February showed Trump at 68 percent, CNN commentator John Kasich at 17 percent, and Weld with just 3 percent in his own back yard. Politico today ran a withering article headlined "Trump's primary challenger stumbles out of gate: Aside from a few TV hits and public events, the ex-Massachusetts governor isn't putting up much of a fight against Trump."

Reason on Bill Weld here.

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  1. If you can hear dog whistles, it is very likely you are a dog.

    A lovely straw man Reminick has set up for Weld to have his way with.
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    1. “If you can hear dog whistles, it is very likely you are a dog.”

      Ironically, this sentence is itself a dog whistle.

      1. The phrase “dog whistle” does all the work, allowing the accuser to describe somebody as advocating a position at odds with what they actually proposed.
        Basically allowing you to misrepresent (lie) about their position.
        A common linguistic tic found in bad faith arguments.

        1. The argument is that people who are schooled in racist dog whistles must by definition be the actual racists. But that’s like saying anyone who understands sign language must be deaf. It’s about how you take the dog whistle. If Trump says “bad hombres” and you start cheering and hooting like an idiot, you might be a racist. If you hear Trump say “bad hombres” and think, Christ, what an asshole, you simply understand what he’s doing without yourself engaging in the assholery.

          Thank you for your time.

          1. I must be dense. When I hear “bad hombres”, I think “bad guys,”

            1. When I hear ‘bad hombres’ I think of El Guapo, and his plethora of pi?atas.

              1. For some, shyness might be their El Guapo.

                1. But does their El Guapo have a plethora of pi?atas?

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          2. If Trump says “bad hombres” and you think “Yes, they are bad hombres”, what does that mean Tony?
            Oh, and please explain to me how Mexicans are a race and using Spanish words are racist, as you just inferred.

            1. Oh, and please explain to me how Mexicans are a race and using Spanish words are racist, as you just inferred.

              Bigoted is a better word than racist in this context.

              I think it is beautiful that America has improved to a point at which its vestigial bigots no longer wish to be known as bigots. Putting bigots in their place — a disaffected, downscale place — is a substantial part of what has made America great during the most recently half-century or so.

              Carry on, clingers.

              1. The most bigoted Americans are older white urban Progressives

                The Atlantic

                1. So, basically the Reverend. Well that’s not really surprising to any one.

                2. NashTiger, if you had bothered to read what you linked to, you would have found this:

                  Overall, there is an intriguing imbalance in the data: Democrats seem to have more tolerance for Republicans than Republicans have for Democrats, at least according to this analysis.

              2. The most bigoted Americans are older white urban Progressives

                The Atlantic

              3. America has actually gotten worse, as race baiting scum like you spend all the livelong day ginning up race hatred.

                Carry on, racebaiter.

              4. Bigotry toward Mexicans is, to a large extent, based on racism toward mixed race people that comprise that country’s majority. Only a fool would counter charges of racism with “Mexican is not a race.”

          3. Sure, because calling MS13 gangsters “bad hombres” is obviously racist because said gangsters are brown. Of course, when the term “gangsters” was being applied to Italians, Italians weren’t really considered white, so that’s clearly racist as well.
            Most terrorists are also brown, BTW, so you can’t use that term, either, unless you’re talking about white terrorists like the IRA. ‘Course, the Irish weren’t really considered white until recently, either, so only IRA members from, say, 1970 onwards can be called “terrorists”.
            Whew. Ok, next week we’ll discuss whether the Khmer Rouge were actually socialists, since they didn’t have universal Medicare, and whether it was fair for the French to steal the word “Resistance” from today’s SJWs.

            1. calling MS13 gangsters “bad hombres”

              But this is the thing. Trump didn’t say “MS-13 gangbangers”, he said “bad hombres”. Which is vague enough to give ammunition to BOTH his supporters and his detractors.

              His supporters say “well, ‘bad hombres’ clearly refers to people who are objectively bad, like MS-13, so when it comes to his imprecise language, we will give him the benefit of the doubt”.

              His detractors say “well, given his history of demagoguery against Mexicans, he clearly means to refer to Mexicans generally as ‘bad hombres’ since if he wanted to be more precise, he would have”.

              He basically just winds up trolling everyone. Which is maddening.

              1. I can see how it would be maddening; I don’t see how it’s a dog whistle.

              2. Jeff, if that trolls you, then you’re the one with the problem. Like your problem with pedophilia.

              3. The biggest problem is no one should care. The real Bigotry and racism in this country is in Big Liberal Cities that exploit the lower class by keeping them uneducated and under their thumb.

              4. Clearly, you’ve gone mad.

            2. How did I know everyone would jump on the random example I picked out of the air. Fine, he meant absolutely nothing bigoted with bad hombres. Pick something else he’s said. You’re getting off topic.

              1. Maybe you could use how he appointed an openly gay man ambassador to Germany to show how he’s homophobic.

                1. I don’t see any evidence that he’s a homophobe. I’m pretty sure he actually is anti-black given a long history of statements. As for Mexicans, who knows. He certainly doesn’t mind them cleaning his properties, and it seems clear that his hardline stance is a political strategy more than a deeply held belief.

                  But the issue is not what’s going on in Trump’s heart, it’s what’s going on in the hearts of his rally attendees.

                  Oh, Pocahontas. Defend that. Why are you defending him anyway?

                  1. “But the issue is not what’s going on in Trump’s heart, it’s what’s going on in the hearts of his rally attendees.

                    Oh, Pocahontas. Defend that”

                    Ok. It’s America. People are allowed to be assholes. Otherwise you’d be in a camp instead of just being camp.

                    The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. – H. L. Mencken

                    1. Yeah, Trump is the victim.

                    2. If it was up to you he would be.

                    3. It’s up to the Southern District of New York and Bob Mueller, actually.

                    4. Dumbass, if you are defending the most powerful politician in the world, you are not fighting for human freedom. Jfc.

                    5. Thank you for the eunuch perspective, chipper

                    6. Credit where it’s due though – you made a good showing in the vaccine thread

                  2. Yeah, he’s old and messed that up; it’s supposed to be “fauxahontas” and that twit deserves every bit of scorn and approbation that she gets.

                  3. I cannot defend the big dummy butchering the clever Fauxcahontas nickname

                  4. Funny, but Trump has done far more for blacks in a little over 2 years than Obummy did in 8 full years: Prison Reform, School Choice, More Jobs & Opportunities for those without a degree & trying to cut down abortions & human trafficking that disproportionately affects blacks!….Pretty good work for a racist!

                  5. Pocahontas?

                    Yes, the woman manipulating affirmative action for advancement is not the problem. The people pointing it out are.

                  6. “Pocahontas,” as I recall, was him mocking a lily-white Senator who pretended to be part Cherokee to enhance her employment profile. There isn’t anything to defend, except that “Fauxcahontas” would be funnier.

              2. Topic: Trump is not racist.

              3. “Fine, he meant absolutely nothing bigoted with bad hombres.”

                Don’t back down, racebaitertony.
                Racebait and racebait again!

          4. The thing about dog whistles, Tony, is that humans cannot hear them, rather unlike how hearing people can see sign language. But you are welcome to follow Weld on his conspiracy theory rants,

            1. It’s a metaphor.

              1. No, it’s libel.

              2. But it’s a stupid one. If you deconstruct it it doesn’t even make sense.

                1. It’s an expression and everyone knows what it means. Let’s try an example of a dog whistle that you guys seem to have understood just fine: “dual loyalty.”

                  1. Everyone is stupid, that’s no reason to join them so gleefully Tony.

          5. “Dog whistle” is slang for “slang”.

            1. “Dog whistle” is slang for “slang”.

              Literally, absolutely correct.

          6. Yes, thank Zod for the experts in the field of racist communication, like the geniuses who sussed out the White Power “OK” sign being flashed during the Kavanaugh hearing by the Jewish-Latina grandaughter of holocasut survivors

            1. They pointed out that the kids at Covington Catholic made it during basketball games too!
              I think it’ll be ok though – it appears black players have appropriated that racist gesture to now mean “3 pointer”

              1. “They” including Radley Balko.

                Sorry, Radley Balko, Sooperjeenyus

              2. When will young African-Americans stop appropriating white popular culture?

          7. racebaitertony shows up to racebait in and article documenting racebaiterweld

            racebaiters gonna racebait

          8. The function of “dog whistles” is basically as you describe: The left takes innocent words and phrases likely to show up in conservative conversation, and assigns offensive meanings to them. Those assigned meanings, not actually used by the conservatives, are the dog whistles in question.

            So, Trump says “bad hombres”, and conservatives hear “bad guys”, and communication was successful, because Trump actually did mean “bad guys”.

            Trump says “bad hombres” and liberals hear, “Swarthy people evil! Ugh!”, and stop listening, and the effort to prevent communication was successful. Because the dog whistles were really set up by the left to keep their own members on the plantation, by interrupting any occasion when a liberal actually listens to what a conservative was saying.

            “Dog whistles” aren’t secret communications on the right. They’re conversational land mines planted by the left to keep their own members from wandering away.

            1. Good call, brett

        2. No, the phrase “dog whistle” is in this case an accurate representation of what is going on. Trump uses language that is intended to resonate with white supremacists without him coming out and outright saying he supports them. Just think about it. If calling yourself a Nationalist didnt have any associations with White Supremacy then why dont democrats or republicans come out and call themselves Nationalists all the time? Perhaps is because they all know what connotations the word carries with it and know enough to just call themselves patriots, since that word tends to not be associated directly with the KKK and Nazis.

      2. Ironically, the term “dog whistle” is racist itself, used aginat anybody with a lighter complexion.

    2. Bill Weld is a traitor to his very core.

      1. Lol. Spoken like a true fascist.

        1. No, eunuch, that would be “stronger together”

        2. Yes, Bill Weld is a fascist.

        3. Notice that you didn’t say it was false.

          1. I agreed with Chipper’s statement that Weld speaks like a true fascist.

            He couldn’t mean me, as I am nota socialist and am right of center. By definition I cannot be a fascist.

        4. I mean, he defected from the GOP to run as a Libertarian. Endorsed the Democratic candidate while the VP on the Libertarian ticket, and has now left the LP to rejoin the GOP again.

          He factually is a traitor.

          1. Or would be, if he had at any time ever had a loyalty to anybody besides himself.

      2. He was horrible in 2016 & he is worse now….Please go away Weld!

    3. It’s not like the white supremacists were gonna vote for Clinton. Or that there were enough of them to matter much.

      1. The white supremacists DID vote for Clinton. They pretty much always vote for the party they created.

    4. skull fuck Bill Weld…what an egregious douche bag…just sayin

  2. Oh, oh boy. This should go over well.

    1. Not with the bigots.

      1. The most bigoted Americans are older college educated Progressives

        The Atlantic

        1. not bigoted, just intolerant

          1. big?ot?ed
            /?bi??d?d/
            adjective
            having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one’s own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.

    2. Not with the bigots.

      1. So fucking retarded, you had to post it twice.

  3. When I asked Weld in April 2018 whether he had any regrets about vouching for Hillary Clinton on MSNBC one week before the election, part of his answer invoked the Trump/Nazi comparison: “I did express the fact that I thought that she was maybe more palatable than the Republican candidate, whom I’ve compared to certain figures in Germany in the 1930s and ’40s, and never saw anything during the campaign that made me see fit to change my opinion there,” he said.

    Good for Weld. He does exactly what principled libertarians should do ? support Democrats, and compare Republicans to Nazis.

    1. Of course Weld regards Hillary as more palatable. He is of her kind.

      1. He never was anything but. Anyone who sees his role as keeping one jerk, Trump, from being re-elected, even if it means electing some damn fool socialist, is too damn stupid for anybody’s good.

        But he’s harmless to the big picture. He’ll have no more influence on this election than he did in 2016.

  4. “I think the President, he makes no bones about the fact, he says “America First,” which was Charles Lindbergh’s fifth column before World War Two”

    This is peak mental retardation and a nice talking point that use to be a favorite of neocons. To be fair, though, it’s hard to differentiate between neocons and Bill Weld type “libertarians”. The Niskanen shuffle.

    1. Not to mention that Weld appears to be completely fucking ignorant that Lindbergh served as a civilian pilot trainer during the war because FDR petulantly refused to restore the commission he had resigned, and may have even been unofficially involved in combat missions in the Pacific theater.

      The “America First” movement pretty much died out after Pearl Harbor. Prior to the war, it had legitimate concerns about the US getting involved in another global conflict that didn’t appear to actually be the country’s business. Losing 125,000 men in less than a year of fighting during WW1 will understandably do that.

      1. This is why Weld is such a fucking joke and the people who tried to make Bill Weld a thing in the LP are a disgraceful lot. Democrat Tulsi Gabbard promotes reading “War is a Racket” while former LP VP nominee, Bill Weld shits all over Smedley Butler.

        1. Trump is not much better. He did a complete 180 on Syria. And now he wants to nationalize 5G, like a fascist.

          1. Reducing troops by 90% is pulling a complete 180. That’s just a dumb thing to say.

            5G is more complex. The talk of controlling and auctioning the networks off to private companies has been walked back.
            As far as requiring that the tech for 5G be produced domestically? That absolutely should be policy. The tech is a major military development and relying on the Chinese, or any foreign countries, for it would be a betrayal of national interests and extreme vulnerability

              1. I will.
                He’s the best fighter we have right now against the psychotic totalitarians known as progressives.

                200-400 troops in Syria is (probably) worse than 0 troops in Syria, but it’s better than 2,000.
                I’m not a fan of canceling the drone report, but let’s not pretend it’s some new development – just maintaining the status quo, as your blurb shows.

                I wish that Trump would maintain less of the status quo, but I’m not going to make the perfect the enemy of the good.

                1. “200-400 troops in Syria is (probably) worse than 0 troops in Syria, but it’s better than 2,000.”

                  “Worse”? “Better”? Please explain these complex concepts.

              2. Keep defending him, fascist.

                Oh look, CMW goes full Antifa.

              3. Chipper, based on your taunts, I don’t think fascist means what you think it means.

                You’re pretty stupid and shrill though, so this is to be expected.

          2. Trump never claimed to be libertarian or run on the LP ticket…

            1. Nor is he an ideologue of any stripe.

    2. There were people who didn’t want the US involved in WWII, and then there were the American Firsters. There was a difference. History has conflated them, but the latter hinted that we shouldn’t stop Hitler because he was solving a Jewish problem. The same people who didn’t want the US to take in Jewish refugees (damned foreigners taking their jerbs).

      1. “…but the latter hinted that we shouldn’t stop Hitler because he was solving a Jewish problem…”

        Calling BS. Yes, there were some anti-semites in the group, but you could say the same of the D and R parties of the time:
        “Instead of agitating for war, the Jewish groups in this country should be opposing it in every possible way for they will be among the first to feel its consequences,” Lindbergh said. “Tolerance is a virtue that depends upon peace and strength. History shows that it cannot survive war and devastations. A few far-sighted Jewish people realize this and stand opposed to intervention. But the majority still do not.
        He insisted he was not “attacking either the Jewish or the British people,” but “I am saying that the leaders of both the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war.”
        The speech was labeled as anti-Semitic. Dorothy Thompson, a columnist for the New York Herald Tribune, who had reported from Europe, wrote: “I am absolutely certain that Lindbergh is pro-Nazi. I am absolutely certain that Lindbergh foresees a new party along Nazi lines.” Those sentiments were echoed widely.”
        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive
        /2017/01/trump-america-first/514037/

        1. Strange that Lindbergh would be a socialist at heart.

    3. just because Hitler was bad doesn’t mean every war ever was a great idea to join

      1. nor that our ally Stalin was much better

  5. The Con Man’s Birtherism was all the whistle the mutts needed.

    1. Turd’s TDS is interfering with his search for more kiddie porn sites.

      1. A birther is a bigot.

        Not all right-wingers are bigots, but essentially every right-winger appeases bigotry for perceived partisan advantage and therefore deserves the fate of conservatives, which is to lose the culture war and be governed by the preferences of better persons.

        Carry on, clingers.

        1. “A birther is a bigot”

          Agreed, Hillary is a bigot.

        2. Sid Blumenthal was the Original Birther. Is he right wing?

          Actually, the most bigoted Americans are older college educated urban Progressives

          The Atlantic

        3. The Left always accuses the Right of their crimes and hatreds.
          Every accusation is a confession.

          Carry on, racebaiter.

    2. Obama never should have claimed he was born in Kenya, it started all kinds of trouble.

      1. Birthers are America’s losers. These malcontents and bigots have been losing the debate in America throughout my lifetime, and will continue to be disaffected and increasingly irrelevant as America continues to progress.

        1. “Birthers are America’s losers. ”

          Agreed, Hillary is a many time loser.

        2. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland is an American loser….there I fixed it for you.

        1. His Columbia Law CV is out there on the web

        2. His literary bio.

          I can’t believe there are still people who don’t know this.

          Google this: “Obama’s Literary Agent Said He Was Born in Kenya?”

        3. Here is the full text, written by Obama himself. It wasn’t “corrected” until he ran for president. It ran this way for 16 or 17 years. So, the real question is when did he lie: when wrote that he was born in Kenya, or when he stated that he was born in Hawaii?

          “Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.”

          1. And what’s more likely to be in error on the matter of his birthplace, a blurb in a booklet or his birth certificate?

            From the first site that comes up when you google that:

            Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

            “You’re undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me ? an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”

            A New York Times article about Barack Obama published in 1990, a year before the Acton & Dystel promotional booklet was issued, correctly identified his birthplace as Hawaii.

            1. “This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me ”

              Fact checking. How did that “fact” get written down in the first place? Magic?

              No one “corrected” the “error” because they all perceived the mileage to be had by pumping up Obama’s Africa cred.

              1. I don’t get that either.

                “I messed up the fact check”.

                I wouldn’t have ASSUMED Kenyan birth regardless. Why would the fact check be needed? Why Kenya specifically? SOMEBODY had to provide that info.

            2. I never bought into the whole birth certificate was fake bullshit, but Ecoli is right, it was fucking stupid for anything in his past to claim otherwise.

              1. It would have been stupid if he’d realized at the time he was going to run for President. It was useful at the time he did it.

                And he turned lemons into lemonade, using it as a red herring to keep his foes focused on something he knew would never lead anywhere.

            3. “And what’s more likely to be in error on the matter of his birthplace, a blurb in a booklet or his birth certificate?”

              So, you think he was lying when he wrote the literary bio. I agree, that is what I think as well.

              1. He didn’t write it, as explained in the quote.

                1. So the notion that he was born in Kenya just arose out of a vacuum?

                2. Tony, you are a useful idiot, as usual.

                  I actually wrote a longer response to your claim that “he didn’t write it” but the internet ate it, so I summarized it for you.

                3. He was, of course, responsible for the content.

            4. She’s lying.

              You write those stupid little bio blurbs yourself. Gods know I’ve had to write my share.

              First, you’re all earnest, putting in little tidbits that will indicate why people should pay to hear you or buy your book, later you get cynical, and even later you start getting weird. The last one I wrote would probably get me arrested if anyone thought it was true.

              Before Miriam was tasked to fall on a sword the ‘common knowledge’ was that this whole thing was a question because Obama lied about his birthplace. Being ACTUALLY African had more cache in the circles he ran in than just being American.

              He did it a lot. It’s why so many of his records are sealed.

              Because he didn’t want to be Fauxahontas. And he is.

              1. You may submit something, but someone else edits it. Errors happen all the time, whether it’s a yearbook or a newspaper. You’re being incredibly stupid. “She’s lying”? Okay, how convenient for the position that would be otherwise completely untenable.

                1. Nobody edits those blurbs for content, Tony.

                  They edit them for spelling and grammar, if they edit them at all.

                  They’re blurbs. They go on dust jackets or pamphlets. Or under your picture in a program.

                  The insane notion that a dust jacket blurb was subject to “fact-checking” of all things.

                  Yes, Tony, she’s lying. It’s easy. There’s no way to check.

                  1. Azathoth, you’re wasting your breath on Tony. With his kind, no democrat will ever be held accountable for their actions, ever.

                2. Tony|3.7.19 @ 9:59AM|#

                  “You may submit something, but someone else edits it.”

                  Is it your assertion that she thought he misspelled “Hawaii.” That’s some really bad spelling she assumed.

                3. I often misspell “America” as “Kenya”. Who doesn’t?

          2. That Leftists are always out and out lying to pump up their race identity cred shows just how far the racist rot has spread on the Left.

    3. You do know that HRCs campaign started email chains that promoted birtherism in the 2007 primaries? But, hell, an old white lady from Arkansas? She must be racist.

      1. That’s your best defense of Trump and the other right-wing bigots?

        Keep your gloves up, clingers, or you will continue to lose the culture war.

        On second thought, you’re going to lose no matter what, so say and believe whatever you wish. It won’t matter to an improving liberal-libertarian America.

        1. Blah blah blah blah

        2. Arty, you will know the culture war is over when you and your fellow travelers have gone too far and are marched at gunooint to a landfill. Which will become your new home. Forever.

        3. It’s not a defense of Trump you fucking idiot, it’s a condemnation of your sainted hero who you insist had the election stolen from her.

    4. Eligibility to be President is not a dog whistle.

  6. “which was Charles Lindbergh’s fifth column before World War Two, and he says “I’m a nationalist.” Well, it is the Party that took over in Nazi Germany in the nineteen-thirties.”

    Wait. Lindbergh was running Germany in the ’30s? That fuckin’ bastard. Why didn’t any of my history teachers mention this?

    1. “Well, it is the Party that took over in Nazi Germany in the nineteen-thirties. So that’s the Nationalist Worker’s Party.”

      I think Bill left out a word in there somewhere. Wonder why?

      1. +1 Nice catch.

        Though to be fair, does anyone really read Reason articles anymore?

    2. You know who else was a Nationalist?

      Mahatma Gandhi, George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Cato the Elder, Alfred the Great, Simon Bolivar, Otto von Bismarck, Abdel Nasser, William Wallace….

      1. How dare you leave out Cato the Younger?

        1. Kirklando delinda est

  7. “White Supremacists” is an interesting phrase that entered the lexicon, kind of like “Arab Street” in the early 2000s. What happened to just plain old “racists”?

    1. Well there’s the plain old Archie Bunker type of racist who doesn’t want his daughter dating a black man. Then there’s the white supremacist who is stockpiling guns and attending training camps because he wants to be involved in the coming race war.

      I grew up with both kinds of people, The first were just ignorant bigots. The latter were fucking nutheads who were always talking about getting ready for the coming race war.

      1. I grew up with the former, but only heard about the latter from people telling folklore tales, or heard about them on NPR.

        This is not to say I don’t believe they exist, but I suspect they’re quite rare birds.

        1. We used to have the Aryan Nation, run by Richard Butler just over the border in Idaho. They had their pack around 35 years ago. Finally someone successfully sued the shit out of them and Butler lost his compound and had to settle for a 4 bedroom rental in town.

          He died a few years later. I don’t think the group is around anymore. So no more Fourth of July pride marches in Coeur d’Alene celebrating socialism and central planning.

      2. “I grew up with both kinds of people”
        I’m guessing you probably grew up in a liberal WASP family in a prog enclave, and you all felt sorry for the poor blacks but never actually knew any.

      3. The latter were fucking nutheads who were always talking about getting ready for the coming race war.

        Some people like the Black Panthers. I hate to say this, but if you describe the activities of the average White supremacist but tell your audience that Black people are doing it, many folks won’t object as much. We need to establish race neutral ground rules for identifying racism.

        1. “It’s only racist when Whitey does it”

    2. They are different. I knew a bigot who thought white and black shouldn’t mix; I had to drag him out of a restaurant once before he started a rumble. But he also thought blacks were every bit as capable as whites, and went out of his way to help them when they needed it. He was a two time Olympian and thought it was his civic duty to help everyone in his sport. I’d never met anyone like that before.

      1. Those are what are known as “White Separatists”. I know this because I saw a documentary about prisons and the reporter was interviewing an inmate who referred to himself as a “white separatist”. The reporter kept inserting “supremacist” in the conversation, and the convict kept correcting him and saying “No, I’m a white separatist”.

        He specifically did not believe that other races (black in particular) were inferior, but that they simply shouldn’t mix. The Black Man, he said, should return to Africa. The journalist thought he’d trip him up and ask him if he thought the White man should return to Europe, he replied in the affirmative without hesitation. He then followed up by saying that he didn’t believe white people belonged in North America as it belonged to the native Americans. The journalist was thoroughly confused at this point because I suspect his Ivy League education had suddenly crashed into several intersectional points with the white separatist.

        1. Around the Mediterranean, some writers questioned why history books praise the decolonization of North Africa and the Middle East while supporting the immigration of North Africans and Middle Easterners into Europe. Equality is great. Immigration is great. Integration is great. The right to create an independent state is great. You won’t get integration and sovereignty at the same time, because one process erases a border and the other one builds a border. Rather than debate each independence movement in the 20th Century on its merits, history summarizes them by saying that breaking from Europe is good if you live outside of Europe but immigration to Europe from other countries is a right.

          The UN is currently figuring out some international norms for immigration. In a decade, we’ll have fair expectations that we can apply equally to all countries.

          1. Europe should be returned to the Neanderthals we stole it from

          2. Europe should be returned to the Neanderthals we stole it from

          3. Well said, sharmota

          4. There is a certain difference between immigration and colonization. Some find the distinction blurred, but not people who understand that the difference has everything to do with individual freedom from government oppression. You wouldn’t know anyone who cares about things like that would you?

            1. Certainly not you Tony. You wi constantly express the glee you feel at the idea of oppressing decent Americans.

          5. “The UN is currently figuring out some international norms for immigration. In a decade, we’ll have fair expectations that we can apply equally to all countries.”

            That was possibly the funniest thing I’ve read in Reason this year. I love that dry humor.

      2. You need to get out more. Ethnonationalism is the rule, not the exception in the world.

  8. The amazing blindness of people who manage to convince themselves that Republicans have moved right in recent history. Truly astounding. They have moved left by any objective measure, just not nearly so far left as the Democrats.

    Yesterday’s NYT article somehow got it right:

    “The story of the Democrats’ struggles over the last 15 years is a story of a party that has consistently moved leftward faster than the also-changing country, and consistently overread victories ? on same-sex marriage above all ? as a template for how every cultural battle should play out. It’s a story of a new feminism that’s pushing the party ever-further from the center on abortion, of a new cohort of white liberals who are actually to the left of many African-Americans on racial issues, of an activist base that brands positions that many liberals held only yesterday as not only mistaken but bigoted or racist or beyond-the-pale.”

    1. The information bubble makes people ignorant. I know people affected in real life. Feels like they live on another planet.

      1. “There’s no way Nixon could have won! I don’t know anyone who voted for Nixon!”

    2. of a new cohort of white liberals who are actually to the left of many African-Americans on racial issues, of an activist base that brands positions that many liberals held only yesterday as not only mistaken but bigoted or racist or beyond-the-pale.”

      That’s… surprising insight out of the Times.

    3. I just can’t even…

  9. Christ, what a dumbass.

    1. You think he’s a dumbass. What about the billionaire who died getting his penis enlarged?

      https://tinyurl.com/y2lc6wfp

      1. A friend said his Scottish accent was worth an additional 2 inches. Being a billionaire has to be worth at least +4.

        1. Being a billionaire renders all physical measurements irrelevant

  10. One of Weld’s more striking recent exchanges came with New Yorker Editor David Remnick, who was trying to understand why the GOP has “moved so far to the right.”

    If Weld wasn’t a sad sack of shit he would have responded that Republicans haven’t moved right as is obvious by just about any measure other than distance from the left. In fact what leftists view as a receding right is caused by their own breakneck movement left to embrace a socialism which a few short years ago they lectured everyone wasn’t an accurate description of their preferences.

  11. Weld’s campaign is not drawing rave reviews.

    “On the contrary, my cousin is taking a welding course and he *loves* it!”

  12. >>>and 2016 Libertarian vice presidential nominee

    dunno if I’d want to claim this mess of a man

  13. So if the GOP hasn’t moved to the right, Ronald Reagan’s policy on, oh say immigration, would totally be acceptable in the modern party? Correct? Or any of his other policies? What about even W.? Remember compassionate conservatism. Would he be nominated today with his same platform?

    The GOP president holds almost literal Nazi rallies and you people don’t think the party’s moved anywhere?

    1. I recall that conservatives derided Dubya as ‘Jorge W Bush’ for his pro-immigration stance. That hate carried over to Jeb in 2016.

      The Financial Collapse of 2008 moved the divide between the globalists and nationalists into the front row.

      1. I don’t recall a single fucking person calling George Bush “Jorge”. The hate for Jeb! was that he was a fucking pussy, I don’t really give credit to Trump for much – but he nailed him with the “low energy” label, and Jeb! supports forever war.

        1. I hate Jeb! because he’s a clown who put an exclamation mark at the end of his name to spice it up, like a mall restaurant chain.

          Eat at Confettis!

          Please clap!

          1. I’m sure that but of marketing genius cost him a few million dollars to his image consultants.

        2. Nah, I can recall that jibe. It was pretty common, at least in rural Michigan.

      2. I recall that you got banhammered for posting links to kiddie porn.

        1. You’re a Lying piece of shit.

          1. Yeah everyone elsw is lyong and you the banned poster who lied forever about tons of things is credible.

            Fuck you, stop posting kiddie porn you sick fuck.

        2. And why did you get banned again, Tulpa?

          1. Eunuch jumps in to relieve pedophile!

            A natural alliance?

          2. Probably not for posting kiddie porn links, or supporting pedophile illegals, like PB and Jeffy have done.

            But go ahead and defend the kid rapers CMW.

    2. OMG! Tony turning into a Reaganite. There is home for him yet!

      But yeah, Reagan would be run out of today’s Republican Party as a fucking proggie.

      1. And a Prohibitionist.

    3. Tony, who the fuck are you talking to? Do you ever see individuals, or is it always just identity groups all the way down?

      1. All the people here saying the GOP has not moved to the right.

        Now, I agree that the Democrats have moved left as well. It’s not a pretty sight seeing moderate political views disappear.

        1. You picked one fucking thing and think it represents a perty wide move.

          And then get salty when you get mocked.

          1. I didn’t think it was remotely controversial to say that the Republicans have moved to the right. They are better on the gays than Reagan, I’ll give them that, but they had to be dragged kicking and screaming, as usual.

            1. Well you were wrong as usual.

            2. They are better on the gays than Reagan, I’ll give them that, but they had to be dragged kicking and screaming, as usual.

              An admission they moved left but because they still aren’t as far left as Tony prefers he’s comfortable asserting they moved right anyway.

              That’s about his typical level of analysis.

              1. They went from amnesty to build a wall. They went from willing to raise taxes to no new taxes, ever. They went from foreign policy establishment to neocon craziness to nationalism.

                Are you people trying to argue that they’ve moved left or what? This is nuts.

                1. “They went from willing to raise taxes to no new taxes, ever”

                  Lol.

                2. They went from amnesty to build a wall.

                  They went from amnesty for enforcement to amnesty for enforcement. It’s true they were willing to raise taxes – to close the deficit. But since Dems proved they would only spend that money Reps reacted by refusing to increase taxes only for Dems to spend it.

                  They went from foreign policy establishment to neocon craziness to nationalism.

                  What an incoherent mess this is as if focusing on America is a foreign policy.

                  This is nuts.

                  Pretty much everything you write is.

                3. The neocon movement has its origins in the 20th century progressive movement. A white mans burden kind of thing. Republicans were traditionally non- interventionist.

                  1. Indeed.
                    Woodrow Wilson was the first neocon

                4. “They went from amnesty to build a wall.”

                  The Republicans who want a wall are the ones consistent with Reagan – we want the wall that was part of his amnesty deal. We want the immigration enforcement too.

                  “They went from willing to raise taxes to no new taxes, ever.”

                  The real nationalists like Bannon don’t have a problem with tax increases, particularly on the top brackets. I’m for a wealth tax.

                  The Right have moved on from Neocons. We were once in a fight against global communist military expansion. Now not so much.

            3. “better on gays than Reagan”??

              Reagan was President of the Screen Actors Guild. He was friends with Rock Hudson, among others. I hazard knew more gays than you ever will

              1. Killed a lot more too.

                Being a hypocrite to get the votes of assholes doesn’t make him better.

                1. How did Reagan ‘kill gays’?

                  1. Meh. It’s a fair cririque. The Reagan administration dropped the ball when HIV first started infecting people in the US, because it was seen as a result of lifestyle choices.

                    1. This is nonsense. Blaming Reagan is just the left blaming those they hate for everything.

                    2. Like blaming gays for moral decay? Or Mexicans for destroying “our” culture? Or blacks for crime?

                      Oh no, that’s you fucktards.

                    3. Like blaming gays for moral decay? Or Mexicans for destroying “our” culture? Or blacks for crime?

                      Oh no, that’s you fucktards.

                      Why don’t you show me where I’ve said any of that?

                      Oh that’s right you just invent whatever idiocy would make your political preferences tenable and act like therefore it must have happened. How could you ever be wrong living as you do in your own fantasies?

                      What a useless asshole you are.

                    4. I’ll drop the hammer on original SJW Republicans when I see them. Funny thing is that there aren’t really many of them left. Same thing with racist Republicans.

                      All I see is a bunch of projection by Democrats at this point. Also a bunch of false equivalence by fake libertarians.

                    5. The Reagan administration dropped the ball when HIV first started infecting people in the US, because it was seen as a result of lifestyle choices.

                      Which it effectively was and still continues to be. Even taking the instances of infected blood donations into account like Ryan White, the vast majority of HIV/AIDS cases in the 80s were gay men and intravenous drug users. With HIV testing of blood donations, that’s almost exclusively the case now.

                    6. They blame Reagan because the fact that AIDS spread due to their own behavior is unpalatable to them and therefore must be denied. As we see from Tony they believe reality is determined by political preferences rather than having an independent existence.

                    7. This is by far the stupidest historical revisionism “common knowledge” ever

                    8. It WAS a result of lifestyle choices. Fucking anonymous men in steambaths in SF was a common thing before AIDS (formerly called GRID). And lets be honest here. That was hardly the only place where rampant casual, anonymous sex between homosexual men was taking place. Throw in the relative ease with which bareback assfucking transmits disease, and you have the perfect storm for an HIV epidemic.

    4. So if the GOP hasn’t moved to the right, Ronald Reagan’s policy on, oh say immigration, would totally be acceptable in the modern party?

      Reagan advocated an amnesty for enforcement trade. We’re still waiting for the enforcement of that policy while the left argues for another amnesty and completely open borders.

      Who is rejecting Reagan’s position?

      1. Anyone who thinks amnesty is the worst thing imaginable, which is all members of the modern GOP.

        And nobody’s advocating for open borders. Stop letting fat talking heads do all your thinking for you. That’s what got the GOP into this mess.

        1. Anyone who thinks amnesty is the worst thing imaginable, which is all members of the modern GOP.

          Not just false but stupidly false. Reagan’s position was amnesty in exchange for future enforcement. Expecting the enforcement part of the exchange is supportive of Reagan’s position.

          Meanwhile recurring amnesty in exchange for nothing is open borders. Revealingly you lie that no one is for open borders even as you argue for them – apparently because the name is different and this changes everything. Support for open borders is also identifiable wherever enforcement generally is deemed racist or immoral – both of which many people have stated. So the assertion no one is for open borders is also stupidly wrong.

          1. Seriously. Dems have been photographed in “open border” t-shirts.

            1. And Republicans have been photographed in “I’d rather be Russian than a Democrat” shirts.

              When do the treason trials start?

              1. As soon as you stop changing the subject.

              2. When do the treason trials start?

                Presumably when it becomes treasonous to not want to be a Democrat. Let’s stick with real life though, I suspect this isn’t the only unpleasant aspect of your fantasies.

              3. As soon as you and your friends are rounded up and processed.

                Oh! Did you mean putting REPUBLICANS on trial?

                No. Not happening.

                Treason is almost the exclusive province of the progressives.

              4. Since when does opposition to the Democrats = treason?

                Do you have to be such an authoritarian statist creep all the time, Tony?

                1. I dunno, when did being a black president become treason?

                  1. We had a black President? I recall some biracial fellow that tried very hard to incpflict his Marxism on this country.

                    He is definitely a traitor.

                  2. I dunno, when did being a black president become treason?

                    Never. So it’s kind of stupid you’re asserting a symmetry with opposing democrats being treason isn’t it?

                    You’d think with the volume of comments you’ve eventually say something not completely stupid just by random chance. Apparently a monkey will type Shakespeare first.

              5. The treason trials might start when Trump wrests control of federal law enforcement from the Coup.

                It’s looking like he doesn’t have the stomach for it, though.

          2. Tony cherry picking aspects of a GOP policy so he can build a straw man? Inconceivable!

          3. The Left doesn’t want open borders, they just want to abolish ICE and stop enforcing the immigration laws. It’s like the store saying they are no longer going to prosecute shoplifters, but that doesn’t mean everything there is free now.

            1. We’re never going to get immigration reform as long as you people keep treating the subject hysterically. You’re being used by people who benefit from the status quo.

              1. Why would anyone want “immigration reform” which codifies amnesty but delivers no enforcement?

                It’s very odd the people who refer to enforcement as racist think others are hysterical rather than themselves. Fucking bizarre.

                1. Reform means path to citizenship plus enforcement. It’s mostly people who donate to Republicans who have a problem with the latter, though the cheap labor is also all the better if they have no rights as citizens.

                  Trust me, if you people and your allies in the Republican party would stop shouting “open borders!” every time this subject comes up, and they got together with Democrats for a reform plan, there would be so much enforcement you’d think Santa Claus came to town.

                  Not that it makes a whole lot of sense for libertarians to care so awfully much about where people choose to live.

                  1. We totally believe you this time…

                  2. “Reform means path to citizenship plus enforcement”

                    No, that’s what you want people to believe but it is provably false. We’re currently living under this agreement: the Reagan Amnesty of 1986. If reform were in fact what you say it is you would be satisfied with the result and since enforcement would exist so would the right. But you are not and neither are they specifically because enforcement does not exist. Nor will it ever since the left who blocked enforcement last time are even further left now with a more compliant media and legal system.

                    Trust me

                    They did that once.

                    there would be so much enforcement you’d think Santa Claus came to town.

                    Sure, people who refer to enforcement as racist and immoral can surely be trusted to commit racist and immoral acts. That’s always how things turn out.

                    1. So you endorse the status quo because Democrats were meanies or something, and to ensure that we never get the enforcement you want, you’re going to make the conversation impossible to have by shouting slogans about open borders as much as possible. And it’s Democrats being petulant?

                      Immigration reform has been a perennial platform issue since as long as I’ve been alive. It’s only Republicans who have to come to the table.

                    2. We endorse doing things our way because a deal with a democrat has a very short shelf life. The word of you and your friends has no value.

                      People are waking up to what I’ve known for years. You and your friends must go. One way or the other.

                    3. The status quo is certainly better than serial amnesty without enforcement which is what you’re offering. It is amusing you think the conversation is impossible because people accurately characterize your position rather than useless because you have no intention of keeping any agreement.

                      I wouldn’t say the block is Democrats being petulant, it’s their being dishonest.

                  3. “Reform means path to citizenship plus enforcement.”

                    Now you tell us!
                    But in confused.
                    Trump offered exactly that and the Ds shutdown the government for a month over it.
                    Weird…

                    1. Lol at the FOX News brain in action. When you stub your toe, do you shout “Damn you Dems!”? Trump took personal responsibility for the shutdown on live TV. I saw it with my own eyes.

                      He offered a DACA fix for a wall. A DACA fix is a tiny amount of path to citizenship for the most sympathetic victims of the status quo (and this is what you people call amnesty when you’re, once again, trying to shut the conversation down with scare words).

                    2. Takes 2 to tango.

                      Polls show that something like 75-80% of Americans oppose a path to citizenship. I oppose a path to citizenship. I’m not thrilled about granting permanent legal residency either, but would accept it if traded for border control and significant reduction in illegal immigration, as well as an end to “chain” migration and the visa lottery.

                      Unfortunately, the Ds have taken the position that they are unable to compromise, negotiate, or fulfill their promises to both the American people and DACA recipients.

                    3. *oppose a path to citizenship [for “dreamers”]

                    4. They couldn’t let Trump win by holding the government hostage. You can understand that if nothing else. That was on him. He… said so.

                    5. “They couldn’t let Trump win by holding the government hostage. You can understand that if nothing else. That was on him. He… said so.”

                      Yea, actually they could. And did.
                      They could’ve passed a budget at any point, and made McConnell squash it or Trump veto it.
                      They could’ve passed a budget that included Trump’s request – or even a compromise, lesser number (maybe offer 3 billion by taking 1 billion from the 5 billion each given to Honduras and Mexico in foreign aid).
                      It’s nothing but a betrayal of this country to refuse 5 billion for border defenses while voting for 57 billion in foreign aid.
                      They couldn’t let Trump win – that’s it, consequences be damned

                  4. Democrats want no enforcement. They fight it with every breath. Without a steady supply of illegals flowing into border states the democrat party is over. That’s really what this is all about, and a primary example of democrat treason.

                2. I’ve given up caring what progtards and anarchists think. They should be swept aside if they get in the way. Debating with them is a waste of time.

                  None of them deal in good faith anyway. So just crush them.

              2. You’re too stupid to understand anything. Kill yourself.

                The Drano isn’t going to drink itself you know.

                1. Mean drunks should just not drink.

                  1. Despite your surly drunkenness you should still guzzle some Drano Tony. Then there will be one less sociopathic progtard to harm America.

              3. “We’re never going to destroy America while you keep opposing it!”

        2. “Anyone who thinks amnesty is the worst thing imaginable, which is all members of the modern GOP.”

          Fucking liar.

          1. Mostly in the context of “we got had the last time, and they did not even buy us dinner”. But Tony not going to talk about the Dems reneging on their half of the deal.

        3. Serial amnesty is simply open borders on the installment plan. That was not Reagan’s position.

          1. buybuydandavis|3.7.19 @ 2:13AM|#

            “Serial amnesty is simply open borders on the installment plan.”

            Well said.

    5. Reagan’s policy on immigration was amnesty to those who were here and an end to the flow of illegals. The flow of illegals accelerated and there is no end in sight.

      Too many, too fast. Thirty million illegals is about ten times too many.

    6. “The GOP president holds almost literal Nazi rallies…”
      Your ignorance of history is impressive.

      1. “The GOP president holds almost literal Nazi rallies…”

        I started to care about media bias after some CNN talking head compared Republican staffers chanting “4 more years” (accurately summarized as “harmless political theater”) to the Nuremberg rallies. The supposedly nonpartisan anchor just nodded.

        This was GHWB in 1992. The far left likes to pretend they’re against Trump. But they would be saying and doing the same things no matter who the Republican was.

        1. Who was the last Republican President who wasn’t routinely called a Nazi by the Left?

          1. Calvin Coolidge.

            What do I win?

            1. Eh, it would have been bad form to call Ike a Nazi (I’m not saying they didn’t do it, just not “routinely”).

    7. Reagan’s policy on immigration was amnesty in 1986 in exchange for securing the border. Not amnesty today, amnesty tomorrow, and more amnesty on and on forever!

    8. Tony, Reagan later deeply regretted the ’86 amnesty, in large part because democrats betrayed him and, as usual, didn’t keep their promise to enact border security to stop the problem.

      And W. was never really conservative. He was from the Nixon wing of the party, just like his old man.

      If you’re looking for Nazi rallies, go to any democrat event. You piece of shit. YOU are the fascist.

      1. But was he a Scotsman?

        1. No, he was a progressive

      2. Reagan later deeply regretted the ’86 amnesty,

        That is likely a myth.

        1. It really isn’t, pedo boy. But you need to believe your bullshit to justify your stupid ideas.

      3. YOU are the fascist.

        …says the guy who wishes death on his political adversaries

        1. Yes, you keep saying that and I keep correcting you. Clearly the only way to straighten you out are through the beatings your father neglected to give you.

          I wish death to all slavers and those who would threaten me. So get it straight you stupid snot nosed little punk.

    9. Trump, a lifelong Democrat, just reanimated the old Democrat racist base, along with the midwestern and northeastern blue collar white voters the Democrats abandoned in the race to be more multicultural and progressive.

    10. Reagan thought he was getting a wall and immigration enforcement.

      ” almost literal Nazi rallies”

      Thanks for playing, racebaitertony.

    11. It sure would suck if Bush had proposed some kind of expansion of the worker visa program and Democrats held demonstrations with activist flying the Mexican flag and calling any Republican or Libertarian who thought it wasn’t a horrible idea a racist.

      Oh wait.

    12. So if the GOP hasn’t moved to the right, Ronald Reagan’s policy on, oh say immigration, would totally be acceptable in the modern party? Correct? Or any of his other policies?

      Absolutely. Reagan’s kinda the benchmark, Tony.

      His immigration policy is why we are where we are. He said okay to an amnesty in exchange for security–but the Dems reneged on the security. What the Dems did to Reagan is why we need a wall now.

      What about even W.? Remember compassionate conservatism. Would he be nominated today with his same platform?

      And then there’s Bush. A very clear leftward move from Reagan. LEFTWARD, Tony, not “to the right”

      And finally we get to Trump, an honest-to-god Kennedy Democrat. His kids and in-laws couldn’t even vote for him in the primaries because they were registered as Democrats, Tony.

      Do you and yours hate it that reality stands on your head and kicks you in the face the way it does?

      Do you not get embarrassed that Republicans, when looking to find a more right-wing candidate, settled on a Kennedy Democrat?

      You guys are to the left of Stalin and receding fast.

      1. Let’s also not forget that Trump got the GOP nomination thanks to crossover Democrats and independents. Fuck open primaries.

  14. Is Bill Weld concerned about all the dog whistles from the marxians running for Democratic candidate? You know,all those self-proclaimed socialists who want to do far more damage and kill far more people than all the Confederate sympathizers ever dreamed of?

    No?

    Fuck off, bigot. Go find someone else to troll.

    1. They have to play dog whistle accusations about Nazis, cause no one supports them.
      Meanwhile, the Left is rife with Marxists and Socialists.

      The Left always accuses the Right of their own crimes.

      1. “The Left always accuses the Right of their own crimes.”

        Bingo!

        Remember the politics of personal destruction?

        1. “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” bleets the Globalist Deep State.

  15. I don’t think Weld is going to get as far as he thinks by insinuating (if not outright saying) that the current president got to the White House because his voters responded positively to a racist campaign.

    1. Telling the truth is no way to win the GOP primary. Maybe he should just brag about his dick size.

      1. Marco Rubio tried that. TinyMushroomdick won anyway.

        1. So what didn’t you understand when Reason banned you for posting kiddie porn links?

          1. He’s too distracted with al,that young boyflesh. I think he and Tony probably secretly fuck each other and plot to rape Boy Scouts.

    2. Insulting people in flyover country is the winning strategy. The Democrats should quadruple down on it.

  16. *facepalm*

  17. I did a google search for George Lincoln Rockwell to see what Trump tweeted. Weld claims Trump tweeted a picture GLR. All I found was an NBC story about Trump retweeting a post that was making fun of Jeb Bush. The original tweeter (or maybe it is Twit) had GLR as his profile picture.

    That is too high pitched to be a dog whistle, son, that is a bat whistle.

    I knew nothing about Weld before this. Now I know all I need to know about Weld.

  18. I wish Reason would stop covering this idiot because it’s a painful reminder that I actually voted for this clown. I don’t know if in his heart Trump is a racist but black Americans and Hispanic citizens are far better off economically after 2 years of Trump than they were after 8 years of Obama. Maybe that’s more important to some of them than imaginary dog whistles.

    1. 90% of the drop in UE occurred under Obama but Trump rightfully gets to claim the record anyway you say?

      I guess that’s fair.

      1. You been reading too much fake news, boy.

        Make America Gasp Again!

        1. Black UE hit 16.8% in the collapse.

          It was 7.8% when Trump was sworn in.

          It is 6.6% today.

          PRAISE THE CON MAN!

          1. What would Hillary do? Thank God and the electoral college that we didn’t find out.

      2. “90% of the drop in UE occurred under Obama but Trump rightfully gets to claim the record anyway you say?”

        Fucking liar.

        1. Black UE hit 16.8% in the collapse.

          It was 7.8% when Trump was sworn in.

          It is 6.6% today.

          PRAISE THE CON MAN!

          1. “Black UE hit 16.8% in the collapse.
            It was 7.8% when Trump was sworn in.”

            Pick them cherries, turd!

            1. If anything he says is even true. He lies all the time. I’ve debunked so much of his dishonest bullshit.

              But what else can you expect from some vicious asshole who is into kiddie porn like him?

            2. If anything he says is even true. He lies all the time. I’ve debunked so much of his dishonest bullshit.

              But what else can you expect from some vicious asshole who is into kiddie porn like him?

      3. BLS does not agree with you. Google harder.

        1. Black UE hit 16.8% in the collapse.

          It was 7.8% when Trump was sworn in.

          It is 6.6% today.

          PRAISE THE CON MAN!

        2. please do look at the BLS

        3. It’s hopeless. I mean it only took 8 years of Obama’s policies plus two years of gestation I guess to make a miracle!.

          We all know that lower taxes and reduced regulations had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. It was all that Bog O magic that was just a little delayed.

          1. The trend in unemployment has been going down at a remarkably stable rate since the recovery. To say Trump’s little hit of tax cuts improved that means you’d have to posit that it was poised to go off that trend and go up without the tax cut. But that counterfactual is implausible, and you’d probably blame Obama for it.

            1. Oh bullshit. Most of the drop in unemployment was offset by corresponding drops in the employment participation rate. Since Trumo got to work, both UE and EPR have improved.

              So don’t even start that shit here.

      4. It is. The economy had the slowest recovery from recession ever largely because Democrats spent the last decade arguing how best to punish businesses for both success and failure. Why should this impact of their policy debates not be applied to them?

    2. I think you voted for Libertarian electors who, if you listen to some folks in the Party, would have happily ditched Johnson/Weld had they – by some miracle – actually won the election.

    3. “I don’t know if in his heart Trump is a racist…” Exactly, and who cares? Policies are what’s important, and since as recently as the late 60s a Democratic president was openly using the N-word, maybe they should shut up?
      Also, what kind of Nazi moves the embassy to Jerusalem and has Jewish grand kids?

      1. Policies are what’s important,

        so quaint

        1. “chemjeff radical individualist|3.6.19 @ 7:47PM|#”

          so taint

          1. And so much a fan of pedophiles.

            1. Liar.

              1. Poor alittle Jeffy loves illegals who are sexual predators. He wants as many of them here as we can get.

                Child rapist loving asshole.

    4. he’d still be way better than any of the Dems or the drunken spender Trump

  19. “an effort almost to pit group against group and to divide the country”

    …and it’s all the fault of the corporations!

    1. Don’t forget evil white men, Catholics and smirking high school boys.

  20. Weld is a fucking asshole.

    If you’re reading this = fuck you.

    1. Bill Weld: I logged into my Reason.com account to see if anyone said anything nice about me – bad move!

  21. If you haven’t seen anything over the last 3 years to make you think Hillary wasn’t a better choice than Trump, then you need new meds, Weld.

    1. Hillary was obviously the better choice. There would be no arguments about border walls with her.

      And no mention about where the money for Haiti actually went.

      1. You should check out mainstream news from time to time. I would hate for you to have a stroke when the full accounting of Trump’s corruption comes out.

        1. I would love for you to drop dead in anger when there is nothing.

  22. Bill Weld is hearing dog whistles.

    Maybe he’s hearing voices also. And you know the white supremacists are just running rampant everywhere. What a problem that is. NOT! Call me when any “white” supremacist group just hangs out on the sidewalk hurling racist crap like the BHI’s. But yea white supremacists that’s our biggest problem.

    He has zero chance of winning anything. But being a giant dope and trotting out the imaginary dog whistle stuff isn’t helping him.

    Maybe he’s sensing a microaggression?

  23. I told you GayJay/Weld voting cucks…

  24. Whew, NOW I don’t have to take Bill Weld seriously.

    1. Nothing wins GOP voters like calling them White supremacists.

  25. So Weld planes to call Trump out for his divisiveness by calling a large percentage of the people who voted for him white supremacists. Bill isn’t real big on self awareness. Christ what an asshole

  26. Trump is such a racist he let a bunch of black people out of federal prison. I guess Weld is pissed of about Trump doing that or something

  27. Where do I go to talk to libertarians who don’t spend every single post defending Donald Trump?

    1. Shorter Tony – “WAAAAHHHHH!!!!”

      1. Shorter you and almost everyone else “Leave Donald aloooone!”

        1. Shorter Tony again – “WAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!”

          1. You are insufferable and not in a good way, as everyone here thinks.

            1. Shorter part 3 – “WAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!”

    2. It is a bit frustrating. If I wanted to see Trump humping I would go to breitbart.com.

      I can understand the argument among libertarians that Trump is the best of the mainstream bad options presented.

      I can’t understand the open cheerleading for him by libertarians.

      1. I can’t understand why you want to import child rapists.

      2. Shorter chemjeff – “WAAAAHHHHHH!!!!”

        1. You and your troll buddies should just kindly fuck off.

          What are you even doing here?

          1. Shorter chemjeff again – “WAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!”

            1. What do you seek to get out of commenting here? What do you hope to accomplish?
              Do you really think this is the most productive use of your time? Just to troll?

              1. Shorter chemjeff part 3 – “WAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!”

                1. Get help.

                  1. What do you seek to get out of commenting here? What do you hope to accomplish?
                    Do you really think this is the most productive use of your time? Just to WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!?

              2. He wants to get banned again. When he goes off his meds like this and starts spamming the thread with the same thing over and over, the mods view it as spam and ban his ass. Then he has to come back with another username.

                1. Must be a huge inconvenience for someone who regularly switches up their user name.
                  Good call.

                2. I don’t see the point of the trolling. It is ridiculous.

      3. Gee I don’t know. Originalist judges, ending (or least talking about ending) the wars, cutting taxes and regulations, taking on the entrenched bureaucracy, calling out socialism for the nightmare that it is, defending free speech on campus, ending the full out assualt on religious freedom, curtailing the attack on the second amendment, ending the political harassment by the IRS, and now making noises about ending the unconstitutional NSA mass collection of communications… yeah what do libertarians see in this guy?

        1. He’s by far the biggest criminal ever to enter the White House? Allegedly. And a racial nationalist. The worst kind of big government.

          1. “racial nationalist”? What the fuck is that Tony? And if he’s the “biggest criminal ever to enter the White House” it’s only because he beat Hillary, and even then I doubt that’s true, because, well you remember Bill? The shyster, corrupt govenor cum corrupt president who BnBed the Lincoln bedroom and raped women?

            1. I remember. You need to pay attention to the news more often.

              Today is “Trump wrote regular checks while in office in between presidential duties to pay off the porn star he fucked” day.

              1. “Trump wrote regular checks while in office in between presidential duties to pay off the porn star he fucked”
                Which is neither illegal, nor terribly upsetting to libertarians.

                1. But that’s just today.

                  He’s the opposite of a Catholic calendar. Every day we celebrate a different Trump sin.

                  1. The democrat calendar celebrates Bill Clinton’s many, many, many rapes.

              2. That’s not criminal, dipshit

                1. Neither is [insert whatever 1/1,000,000th as scandalous Obama “scandal” you undoubtedly had hysterics about].

                  1. See the faggot democrat condemn a republican for a minor indiscretion while protecting the criminal activities of traitors who are democrats.

                  2. SIcking the IRS, and the EPA, EEOC, OSHA and every other alphabet agency on political opponents?

              3. Not a crime. Just sleazy.

        2. C’mon DenverJ. I agree with the first three, but the last just seem like LC1789 talking points. For example, “ending political harassment by the IRS”? Trump had nothing to do with the Lois Lerner business, and just today, it looks like Trump’s IRS is in fact going after legal pot businesses, which certainly has shades of ‘political harassment’. So that is giving Trump far too much credit than he deserves.

          And, originalist judges and cutting taxes are things that any generic Republican would do. I thought that the reason we call ourselves libertarians is because these generic Republican platform items are insufficient in and of themselves.

          1. ” it looks like Trump’s IRS is in fact going after legal pot businesses, which certainly has shades of ‘political harassment”

            You are an equivocating idiot.

            1. Shoo.

              1. I’m sorry the truth hurts you.

                1. Okay my bad, it was Trump’s IRS going after drug policy reformers, not the pot businesses themselves.

                  https://reason.com/blog/2019/03…..formers-ne

                  1. You remain an equivocating idiot.

                    1. And you remain a troll.

                    2. Because a new rule that is vague in enforcement provisions is the same as specifically targeting people for their political affiliations.

                      You’re fucking stupid and keep eating L’s from a troll.

                    3. I didn’t say they were the same. You are misrepresenting both the current IRS rule and what the IRS did in the past. Unsurprisingly, because you’re a troll who is only here to troll, who doesn’t give a damn about truth or facts but is only here to troll.

                      It is sad to see people like you with so little self-respect that the only way they can feel good about themselves is to troll and harass people online.

                    4. You remain an equivocating, cowardly, backpedaling idiot who wants to import child rapists.

                    5. Shoo.

                    6. “You are misrepresenting both the current IRS rule and what the IRS did in the past. U”

                      No motherfucker, YOU ARE. The article YOU linked to is about exactly what I said it was, a lack of clarity in enforcement provisions.

                      The IRS specifically targeted people under Obama for their political affiliation. That is EXACTLY what happened.

                      You just cannot stand that a troll made you look even dumber than normal and now you’re lying you mendacious disingenuous fuck.

                    7. a lack of clarity in enforcement provisions.

                      Which is, I’m sure, how Lois Lerner would justify her actions, putting the best spin on what she did. Which is what you are doing with the IRS’s current rule targeting drug policy reformers. Because you can’t bring yourself to be honest. You’re downplaying what Trump’s IRS is doing and you are overstating what Obama’s IRS did (they did not “specifically target people” based on “political affiliation”) because you’re a dishonest troll.

                      But I know, you are just going to yell at me some more, call me a liar, slander me some more, insult me some more, because you have no self-esteem and the only way you can feel good about yourself is to tear others down. You want to hound me and harass me off of Reason’s comment boards – well, that is not going to happen. So you had better deal with it, and find help in some other way.

                    8. “Which is, I’m sure, how Lois Lerner would justify her actions, putting the best spin on what she did.”

                      Well, we wouldn’t know how she’d justify her actions because she destroyed hard drives then pled the 5th (after asserting that she was innocent…)

                  2. Well Jeffy, hopefully he goes after pedos, and the people like you who shield them.

                    Did you reach pout to the Mexican chapter of NAMBLA and say “Come on up guys. All the little white toddlers you can fuck!”

                    After all, those toddlers are probably racist anyway, right?

                    Sick fuckin’ pedo.

          2. ” I thought that the reason we call ourselves libertarians is because these generic Republican platform items are insufficient in and of themselves.”
            I thought it was because, although the Republicans call themselves small government originalists and federalists, they are actually big government war mongering asshats who expand government and the welfare state.

            1. While mysteriously moving right.

            2. Well, that isn’t the reason for me. What I mean is, it’s not sufficient if Republicans just did the things that Republicans claimed that they wanted to do. That would not win me back. For me, it is that even if Republicans did what they claimed they wanted to do, it would still not be enough. The fact that they can’t even do what they claim to do is just icing on the cake.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist|3.6.19 @ 8:21PM|#

                Blah blah blah”

                So you won’t go back to the R’s because they won’t let you import child rapists. And nothing of value was lost.

                1. Shoo.

                  1. I understand you want me to go away because you want to import child rapists and I mock you for it.

                    1. I want you to go away because you are an annoying pest.

              2. “Well, that isn’t the reason for me. What I mean is, it’s not sufficient if Republicans just did the things that Republicans claimed that they wanted to do.”
                It would at least be a start in the right direction, and many times better than the federal behemoth that we have today. And it’s a million times better than giving control to the party of Socialists, racists, and straight up fascist methods of intimidating their opposition.

                1. Even if Republicans actually did what they said they were going to do, it would also come with a large dose of so-con-ism and, as we are seeing now, obnoxious flag-waving chest-thumping displays of obnoxious patriotism. But to get back to the original point, we see Trump doing a very small number of the things that Republicans generally say that they are going to do, but never do, which is *still* insufficient from a libertarian point of view, and so I don’t find that weak-ass effort to be worthy of cheers and celebrations. Again I can see the point of view that says that they are less bad. I can’t see outright cheerleading for their weak-ass effort. But that is just me.

                  1. “and, as we are seeing now, obnoxious flag-waving chest-thumping displays of obnoxious patriotism”

                    Chemjeff, douchy elitist who wants to import child rapists.

                    1. Shoo.

                    2. Pedo lover.

              3. As opposed to all the shit the Libertarian Party accomplishes?

                Like Hillary endorsements on elkection eve?

      4. Oh come off it. There are just as many people here that deride him when he does something stupid or antithetical to libertarianism as support him, at least.

        Most of the post on this article are about how Weld is an idiot and an asshole, not defending Trump.

        The twitter example is so fucking stupid: Even if you buy into the dog whistle (nobody can know how racist Trump actually is in his mind so maybe he intentionally retweeted that guy), so few people are actual white supremacist that they wouldn’t have even caught the hidden meaning. It’s not like those neanderthals are so widespread that they won him the election.

        *Because this is apparently needed for some of you: Fuck Trump.

    3. Where do I go to talk to libertarians who don’t spend every single post defending Donald Trump?

      Try away.

    4. When do I get to see a post where faggot commies don’t reflexively attack Trump for nothing?

      Kill yourself?

      1. Shitlords, paragon of not reflexively attacking people.

        1. I instinctively want to antagonize evil sociopathic scum like you.

          1. as well you should

    5. Maybe search for a mentally challenged website. You are just really dumb.

    6. Where do I go to talk to libertarians who don’t spend every single post defending Donald Trump?

      Probably to a libertarian website that’s not drowning in articles written by TDS sufferers pretending to be libertarians.

      But you’ll stay here, Tony–because they’d eat you alive.

      1. TDS isn’t a thing. It can’t be a thing. Because all the worst stuff has yet to be revealed. It’s only derangement if you aren’t accurately assessing the person’s terribleness.

        You gotta stop watching FOX News man. I say this for your own good, not mine.

  28. The old Gov fall off the wagon again?

  29. So, that’s like, what, 5 people?

  30. Well, it is the Party that took over in Nazi Germany in the nineteen-thirties. So that’s the Nationalist Worker’s Party.

    Not quite. That party did not do well in elections until it became the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. The average voter won’t agree to genocide until it comes with a pony on the side.

  31. Dog whistles.

    /face palm.

  32. Yeap, still lame.

  33. People, either liberal or conservative, who want to hear dog whistles, will hear them, whether they are blowing or not.

  34. That term “dog whistle” when used by someone attempting to make a political comment that they undoubtedly should not be attempting in the first place, triggers deep in my vulnerable snowflake brain a complete panic attack, I mean the mother of all mental meltdowns. I have to crawl on my belly to the nearest safe place and suck both thumbs for two days or until my pants dry. Please, please don’t use that worn out trope ANY MORE!

    The conservatives I know are warm, fuzzy, and loving. They respond only to reason, logic, and evidence of the highest verified order. But the venomous ignorance behind slurs like the DW thingy drives us sensitive types to Costco to purchase Depends by the truck load.

  35. Thanks for documenting Bill Weld as race baiting vermin.

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  38. Law and order conservative tyrants have always been, historically been preferred to the chaos and anarchy of progressive demagogues; Hitler and Trump leap instantly to mind, elected as the better alternative.

    TRUMP will be re-elected as the best alternative to the corrupt trolls of the progressive party of America.

    Trump 2020 vision for the future. Make America Great Again. #MAGA

    Hail Victory. Hail Victory. Hail Victory.

    1. Hitler was the progressive demagogue. Don’t you even history?

      1. They did love that central planning.

      2. @BigT No he doesn’t and on purpose too. Leftards want to remain willfully stupid and ignorant, they want to keep their heads shoved up their asses so they can keep sniffing their own farts.They can deny all they want that Hitler wasn’t “left wing” but they can’t deny historical fact, I’ve seen leftards try to get out of that straight jacket by skimming and twisting historical fact because their dishonest, control freak, shit wads.

    2. Doug see a shrink.

  39. The vision looms more clearly—the Thousand Year Green Revolution! The children will wave their little green books written by Chairman Alexandra and beat to death in the streets any backwards peasants, to include their parents, if necessary. History repeats itself like a groundhog with cabin fever.

  40. It’s interesting that, when Republicans talk, dog whistles are simply assumed to be the real message, but when, say, Ilhan Omar talks about Jews and Benjamins and dual loyalty and such, she’s just making specific and narrow criticisms of the state of Israel, nothing more.

    1. And when Conservatives say “All lives matter”, then they are racists who are downplaying specific incidents, but when Democrats refuse to censure Omar but want to focus on the problem of anti-Muslim rhetoric next to anti-Jewish rhetoric, they are preventing the inevitable backlash

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  42. Guilt by association is a pretty pathetic argument. Nationalism as an ideology has evolved far beyond the limits of Nazism and the inherent principles of Nazism are not exclusive to nationalism. A Democratic country could be an ethnostate too; that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be democratic.

    1. Whenever someone says that Hitler was a Nationalist, just remind them that Gandhi was, too, along with most of the great political figures in history

  43. Race separatists are going to favor somebody. Baby fuckers are going to favor somebody. STEVE SMITH is going to favor somebody. Kenneth Goldsmith is going to favor somebody. What are you going to do, decide who to favor based on whatever choice the race separatists, baby fuckers, STEVE SMITH, & Kenny G leave over?

  44. You’re not very bright if you compare Trump to Hitler. Same goes for those who can Trump a fascist.

    1. I can accept that Trump has the inclinations of a fascist. He’s used to running his own company and having little to prevent the changes he desires. He has shown that inclination with his announcements of what he is attempting to accomplish. What he has done that his predecessor didn’t was communicate his goals in a forthcoming manner and actually respect the constraints put upon him by the separation of powers. The Hitler comparison only works regarding his communication style. He talks up the potential of the nation and inflates every point to a high degree.

  45. If I wanted to vote for a gun grabbing Democrat, I’ve got plenty of options. Not sure why the Libertarian party is running one.

  46. Who votes for democrats and why? I understand the choice is sometimes tough no matter what, but I am curious as to who votes for democrats and why? Please answer and elaborate as much as possible.

  47. Well Mr. Weld, that would be the Nationalist Socialist Workers’ Party. Not just the Nationalist Workers Party. But I suspect you know that. You’re just not being very honest about it.

  48. Tough you know what. I’m a nationalist because I don’t to move away and I’m a white supremacist because the alternative is gloomy to say the least. By the way do you know any no white society that is only whispering about libertarianism? No, they don’t even grab the concept.

  49. Aren’t the Dems bending over backwards to not condemn an anti Semite?

  50. Why fucking “Reason” keeps pushing this phony, opportunist shit bag is beyond me. Guys, he isn’t a fucking libertarian, he is a establishment Republican who is a huge lefty who secretly hates libertarians. He just saw the Libertarian Party as a way to help him gain notoriety. I am seriously thinking of unsubscribing from the “Reason” email list.

  51. I read something earlier that said “challenger to Trump would lose badly.” I think that whoever wrote that is very very wrong, and trying desperately to convince not just himself, but the electorate that Trump hasn’t lost a HUGE chunk of his base, which he has.

    Nancy Pelosi is now bragging about being able to flip Texas in 2020 and how when they do it will not just change the US, but it will change the world. And who do you think made that possible? Trump made that possible. Trump was the Trojan horse. He was put in the race to keep an actual “American First” President who would have stopped the flood out of the office of the Presidency. Well, Trump and his “legal immigrants” have positively swamped this country. Trumps brought more in than Obama or Bush. No it’s not ALL Trumps doing, but he is the one who nearly handed Beto his win and will hand them the win in 2020. And Americans who voted for him are catching on to the fact that he LIED ABOUT IT ALL.

    To bad it’s far to late though.

  52. Bill Weld: White Supremacists Heard Rep. Ilhan Omar ‘Dog Whistle Loud and Clear’
    Fixed that for you Bill.

  53. Weld is an idiot.

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