Michael Cohen

Michael Cohen Acknowledges His Own Lies While Calling Out Trump's

"I can only warn you that the people who follow Trump as I did, blindly, are going to suffer the same consequences that I did."

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Michael Cohen
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"I am not protecting Mr. Trump anymore."

That was how Michael Cohen, former attorney for President Donald Trump, responded to repeated observations Wednesday from Republicans on the House Oversight Committee that Cohen was about to go to jail for lying to Congress.

Cohen spent the day taking questions (and listening to speeches) from Republicans and Democrats about his role in secretly paying porn star Stephanie Clifford, a.k.a. Stormy Daniels, to keep silent about sexual encounters with Trump. The payments were meant to protect Trump's election chances in 2016. Cohen also attempted to explain what he knew about negotiations between Trump World and Russian officials as the president sought to build a Trump hotel in Moscow; and what he might have known about attempts by Russian officials to meddle in the 2016 election.

The release last night of Cohen's opening statement set the stage for today's show, and that's not entirely a metaphor—much of what happened today was a performance from everybody involved.

In his testimony, Cohen declared that Trump was a conman, a cheat, and a racist. Cohen also provided a copy of a check signed by Trump after he'd taken office that Cohen says was part of the payment for Daniels' silence.

The former attorney, who was disbarred this week, also testified that Trump knew throughout the campaign about ongoing hotel negotiations with Moscow and that he lied about it. "There was nothing that happened that did not go through Trump," Cohen said.

Cohen claims that statement applies to his previous lies to Congress. While conceding that Trump didn't directly order him to lie, Cohen claimed that Trump essentially establishes a "party line" that his staff are expected to comply with. He also said White House lawyers saw and edited his previous testimony to Congress.

Cohen, who served Trump for a decade as his lawyer, will soon begin serving three years in federal prison for eight counts of tax evasion and election fraud. The election fraud charge resulted from his role in directing payments from Trump to Daniels. He was also sentenced to two months in jail for lying to Congress in his previous testimony.

Most Republicans on the committee spent much of their time today attacking Cohen's credibility and questioning why someone who had been convicted of lying to Congress had been invited to testify again. He previously told Congress that Trump and his associates had stopped negotiating with representatives of the Russian government to build a hotel in Moscow prior to the 2016 primaries. Those talks actually continued on through the summer of 2016. In response, Cohen—and Democrats on the committee—pointed out that Cohen was tring to protect Trump.

Republican skepticism is understandable. Cohen lied in his first appearance while claiming to tell the truth. What's to say he wasn't lying again today? Several representatives also made it clear they saw Cohen's testimony on Wednesday as another means of profiting off his relationship with Trump. When asked, Cohen declined to say that he would refuse future opportunities to sell book or film rights.

But amid all the speeches and questioning, there were very few attempts by Republican members of the committee to actually contradict anything in Cohen's lengthy statements. Instead, they focused on attacking his credibility as a witness. Only Rep. Greg Stuebe (R–Fla.) noted that the check Cohen provided doesn't necessarily prove Trump knew about the Daniels payoff (why else he would've given Cohen that money was not discussed).

Thus far, there is little to corroborate Cohen's other claims, many of which did not concern potentially illegal activity. While Cohen says that he was in Trump's office when Roger Stone called to tell Trump that Wikileaks was about to release emails that Russian operatives stole from Hillary Clinton's campaign, Stone has denied this conversation ever took place.

Meanwhile, Cohen's claims about Trump's racism led to an absurd sideshow of Rep. Mark Meadows (R–N.C.) dragging up a minority woman on Trump's staff (Lynne Patton, who planned Eric Trump's wedding and is now a Housing and Urban Development official) to stand next to him as some sort of proof that Trump cannot possibly be a racist. The moment was every bit as awkward and tone deaf as it sounds.

A tremendous amount of what has happened today will simply cement existing biases. While Cohen is not a terribly credible human being, that doesn't necessarily mean he should be dismissed out of hand. Over at the National Review, David French has a useful primer on how to evaluate the testimony of somebody with a sketchy relationship to the truth.

It's also worth noting that one Republican deviated from his party's talking points: that Cohen was fundamentally untrustworthy, is looking for mercy from the feds on his sentencing, and is planning to cash in on his time with Trump. Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.), after getting some clarification from Cohen about how he was able to figure out when Trump wanted him to lie, asked, "What is the truth that you know President Trump fears most?"

We didn't get an answer to that question, and it clearly threw Cohen for a loop. Cohen said he didn't really know the answer. Amash followed up with, "What principles did you follow and do you wish to change those principles?" Cohen said that he wants to get his life back, and when prodded by Amash, said he's trying to live under a new (and presumably more honest) set of principles.

Amash's deviation from the norm prompted a tweet from Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight to inform a potentially surprised audience that Amash is no Trumpist:

Amash's line of questioning followed a warning Cohen gave in response to Rep. Jim Cooper (D–Tenn.). "I can only warn you that the people who follow Trump as I did, blindly, are going to suffer the same consequences that I did," he said.

Ultimately, Cohen's testimony today gives us very little insight into whether Trump will suffer the same consequences as Cohen. Cohen acknowledged that Trump didn't actually tell people to lie for him, and he shied away from saying that Trump engaged in any sort of collusion. While Cohen thinks it's possible, he stopped short of making any claims.

Be wary of anybody who insists that what happened today is a big deal.

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  1. If you read Trump’s book you will see a very positive attitude toward the competence of women and no evidence of racism.

    And if Trump paid the hush money then it wasn’t a campaign contribution. Right?

    1. They’re claiming that the hush money came from campaign contributions, which would be illegal.

      But they stated the check didn’t match the amount Daniels was paid, which calls the whole claim into question to begin with.

    2. Trump did not write any book. He can barely read.

      The man who did ghostwrite The Art of the Deal is on record many times calling Trump a mentally deranged fool with no business acumen whatsoever. If he puffed up this trademark quality, I doubt his ghostwriter would have called him a racist in his own book.

      1. Tony|2.27.19 @ 7:52PM|#
        “Trump did not write any book. He can barely read.”
        So he’s better educated than you are.

        “The man who did ghostwrite The Art of the Deal is on record many times calling Trump a mentally deranged fool with no business acumen whatsoever. If he puffed up this trademark quality, I doubt his ghostwriter would have called him a racist in his own book.”
        Yeah, those billions jumped into his pocket as he was walking down the street.
        Pretty fucking dumb, even by your standards…

        1. “Yeah, those billions jumped into his pocket as he was walking down the street.”

          Tax returns or it didn’t happen.

          1. By that standard, since the tax returns of exactly zero purported bbillionaire are available, then there are no billionaires.

            1. Shit –

              Your logic is flawed. And doesn’t address the standard I put forth.

              Thanks for playing.

      2. So, he paid his ghostwriter enough to omit anything exposing him as a racist, but not enough to do his job as a ghostwriter — write the book and keep his mouth shut. Huh.

        1. And his personal fixer just testified against him in Congress. It’s almost like Trump is a terrible person.

          1. No, no, he’s not like you Tony. Funny thing is, if he had a D after his name, you would call any of his detractors liars.

          2. Still living in mommy’s basement?

      3. I’m just going to ask a simple question:

        What exactly is your basis for thinking that Trump can barely read?

        I’m sure you must have SOME reason for thinking it beyond “Orange man bad!”, right? Read it somewhere, maybe?

        1. “What exactly is your basis for thinking that Trump can barely read?

          I’m sure you must have SOME reason for thinking it beyond “Orange man bad!”, right? Read it somewhere, maybe?”

          I’m going to go with the legal threats to any high school/college this trump attended if they ever dared publish his grades. They’re SO stellar that the American public just couldn’t handle to handle it, I suppose.

          Not so much “Orange man bad!”

          “Orange man DUMB!”

          1. So, this is one of those “the absence of evidence to the contrary is evidence” arguments?

            “I’m going to go with the legal threats to any high school/college this trump attended if they ever dared publish his grades. They’re SO stellar that the American public just couldn’t handle to handle it, I suppose.”

            You do realize that, by this standard, you’ve just established that Obama is also illiterate, right? We haven’t seen his school transcripts, either.

            1. Obama’s transcripts are all sealed.

            2. Nice try at rewording my post.

              The basis for my thinking was the threat of legal action if trump’s grades were released. Even though trump’s transcripts (and everyone else’s) are sealed as a matter of practice, at least according to Fordham.

              1. You’re still assuming that a billionaire in his 70’s is effectively illiterate on the mere basis that you haven’t seen his grades. His grades from when he graduated college, mind you. Even people who’ve never been to college are typically able to read.

                Yeah, maybe he’s embarrassed that he had to retake a class or two. That doesn’t make him illiterate.

                I’m really sick of this: It isn’t enough to not like Trump’s policies, or think that his morals are less than exemplary. No, for some reason his enemies have to regard him as nothing but a shambling collection of flaws with no virtues at all. He has to be illiterate, smelly, you name it.

                It’s pathological, Tommy. A mental sickness. Sane people realize that you can disagree with somebody without thinking them a comic book villain. (For that matter, your average comic book villain is less two dimensional than your fantasies about Trump.)

            3. Trump is aliterate, not illiterate. We know he hates reading and prefers to get his info from Fox, and to have his briefings in the form of charts and diagrams. Whether he actually struggles with reading or just gets bored easily is pure speculation.

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    1. Trump was right. They confessed and implicated each other.

      1. Trump was aggressively wrong, and racist, with respect to the Central Park Five, you disaffected, downscale bigot.

        1. Yet Trump spoke publicly about how awful the attack on Smollet was.

          Does that make him a bigot too?

          1. Of course it does in Arty’s limited twisted excuse for a mind. We really must make an appointment at the vet to have him put down.

          2. You must be one of the “very fine people” Trump lauded after the bigots marched at Charlottesville, Vic.

            Carry on, clinger. So far as your betters permit, that is.

            1. Hater gonna hate hate hate hate hate

            2. “You must be one of the “very fine people” Trump lauded after the bigots marched at Charlottesville, Vic.”

              You must be an anitfa thug, asshole.

            3. Damn Rev,

              Project much? Oh yeah. All the time. I would say carry on but that pea size brain of yours seems incapable of the thought necessary to do such.

        2. Jack Marshall disagreed with you.

          http://ethicsalarms.com/2019/0…..ent-600960

          It’s like all the other supposed “racist” positions. The subjects happened to be black. There is no reason to believe that he would not have had the same opinion if the Central Park 5 were white, or if a white President had a controversy over whether he was born here?except the assumption that he is a racist. A self-validating fallacy.

      2. SIV,

        I hope you’re just ignorant of the case history, because the alternative isn’t pretty.

        The confessions were coerced, as confirmed by DNA evidence that eventually exonerated them factually and legally after they’d all served lengthy prison terms.

        Even after the exoneration, Trump refused to retract his demand that they be executed. What kind of vile excuse for a human being does that?

        If you haven’t already seen it, get a hold of the Ken Burns documentary. It tells you everything you apparently don’t know about the case, and you don’t have to worry about lots of big words and small print.

        1. You’re full of shit.

          The CP5 never confessed to or implicated each other in the actual rape. They fingered an “unknown Puerto Rican boy wearing a Hoodie”. That was Matias Reyes whose DNA matched the jizz found in/on the maimed and brain damaged jogger.

          Two of the CP5 were denying “murder” and implicating a 3rd before the police found the raped jogger.

          All the above is in the goddamned wikipedia entry.

          “Factually” they were in the park that night beating and violently assaulting victims. Some were confessing before they even got to the police station for formal questioning.

          1. You’re the one who first said “they confessed and implicated each other,” and now say “the CP5 never confessed to or implicated each other in the actual rape.”

            And I’m the one that’s full of shit?

            The point is you’re defending Trump’s indefensible refusal to back off his public outrage that the CP5 weren’t executed, even after they were exonerated. If you didn’t know they were exonerated, just say so. It’s better than the alternative, which is that you did know, making you no better than Trump. If that’s the moral company you want to keep, be my guest.

          2. Do you have a link?

            This changes the analysis if they were implicating each other and confessing < i>before learning that they were accused of rape.

    2. This is honestly the best evidence in support of Trump being a racist.

      1. Seems more like he is anti-crime than racist.

        Trump lived in New York when crime was outrageously horrible.

      2. This is actually evidence that atrumo is not. Aracist, as Cohen is a proven lying piece of shit who broke privilege with his client.

        1. Silly legal insights from half-educated, disaffected bigots lacking legal credentials are among my favorite contributions from bigoted faux libertarians.

          1. “Silly legal insights from half-educated, disaffected bigots lacking legal credentials are among my favorite contributions from bigoted faux libertarians.”

            Better than stupid ones from half educated bigots like you, asshole.

          2. No one is surprised that your own comments are your favorite comments.

          3. “Silly legal insights from half-educated, disaffected bigots lacking legal credentials are among my favorite contributions from bigoted faux libertarians.”

            Better than stupid ones from half educated bigots like you, asshole.

    3. The CP5 were exonerated of raping the woman.

      They were not exonerated of beating her.

      Or the numerous other people they assaulted that night.

  2. What happened today was a pretty big deal. Cohenfundme, Stone Liar, and Manafart are just the start. Before the end of the year Don, Don Jr, Ivanka, and Jared will be behind bars.

  3. “The former attorney, who was disbarred this week, also testified that Trump was knew throughout the campaign about ongoing hotel negotiations with Moscow and that he lied about it.”

    Fire your editor.

    1. They’re all editors. Hell, you’re an editor. I’m an editor. We’re all editors. Next step down is orphan.

    2. I think they are responsible for their own blog posts.

    3. They have editors here?

      1. Spell Check

  4. I really enjoyed watching Jim Jordan show what a whiny little bitch he is. He should go back to molesting wrestlers.

    1. I have observed no evidence that Jim Jordan molested wrestlers. The evidence indicates he defends, conceals, and appeases those who molest wrestlers, though, especially if he perceives a partisan advantage.

      1. Are you suggesting I posted a statement unsupported by any evidence on the Reason forum? I stand corrected.

        Jim Jordan should go back to defending, concealing, and appeasing those who molest wrestlers.

  5. Amash’s deviation from the norm prompted a tweet from Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight to inform a potentially surprised audience that Amash is no Trumpist:

    I wouldn’t believe anything that nerdy con man says.

    1. Yeah, I’ve heard that Amash is a real douche and only does what he’s paid off to do.

      1. Oh no, they ate Crusty.

          1. Weird. He’s gone from the Weld post too.

            1. For what?

              1. I don’t know. If they start deleting people for getting frustrated with John, things will be a lot less entertaining here.

              2. His comments are gone from the last post. Is Crusty able to transcend time and space?

                1. His comments are gone and yet he was able to comment here?

                  Crusty is Soave. Check and mate.

                  1. You know, that never would have occurred to me. But I hope you are right.

  6. Today marked the beginning of the end of Drumpf’s Presidency. The walls are closing in.

    #TrumpStormy
    #TrumpRussia
    #ItsMuellerTime
    #Impeach

      1. Yawning

      2. So cracked; disturbing to watch the devolution of a once lauded satirist

    1. #ItsHappening

  7. Is it fraud to use company money to payoff a mistress? And tax fraud to claim the payoff was for legal services?

    1. How is this different from settling any other claim?

      1. He should have paid it using personal money not the corporation’s money. I’m not an expert. A corporation is a separate juridical person. Generally speaking you’re not supposed to use corporate money for personal expenses because it defrauds the other shareholders.

        1. You’re right. You’re not an expert. So sit down and STFU

        2. No idea. Corporate entities use their funds to settle arbitration all of the time. I guess if this is a bribe or something, but I really don’t know.

          1. It seems difficult to gauge the legal situation without reviewing the financial statements and tax returns, but falsifying corporate financial statements in general and corporate tax returns in particular is unlawful.

            1. I’ll be interested to see where this goes. Honestly, I would be happy to see a precedent set where politicians are held to stricter standards.

        3. I think it was a company that Trump entirely owned himself. If so, no fraud. You can’t defraud yourself.

        4. Does the Trump Organization have shareholders? I’ve always assumed it was an LLC, in which case it’s all pass-through money.

          1. Trump owns it all. No shareholders.

            1. Then your questions are all stupid.

            2. ” Generally speaking you’re not supposed to use corporate money for personal expenses because it defrauds the other shareholders.” (emphasis added.)

              “Trump owns it all. No shareholders.” You mean no other shareholders?

              There is ordinary shitposting, and then there is ordinary person shitposting. Of which you win the prize.

    2. Thought experiment: if courts find that you can’t defend yourself from blackmail attempts during a political campaign, because any expenditure around it is actually “campaign finance” rather than a defamation defense, it will be open season on everyone running for office everywhere. I imagine Trump has had to pay off people before this to secure his “reputation”. He ought to just find those checks to prove it’s business as usual, not campaign related.

      1. Clintons did it (think Whitewater and Bubba’s amorous adventures). And I’m sure Obama did given the rumors and innuendo surrounding his Chicago connections. The only difference is that the media loves the Democrats and hates Trump, so Trump is under constant surveillance so Dems can literally get away with murder (remember Vince Foster). What a wonderful world.

      2. Yes, blackmail is a Catch-22. The only defense is refusing to pay it and not caring if whatever you’re being blackmailed over goes public.

        This isn’t new.

        1. Blackmail isn’t new, no. But being accused of a crime for dealing with it, because of when it happens, seems new to me.

        2. You know what else was interesting: Cohen says he hid the payment to Daniels from his own wife! Apparently, wives finding out that their husbands are paying off porn stars creates disharmony in the home. Who knew? Cohen admits that’s a reason to hide such activity.

          1. Cohen is going to find in prison that not wearing the pants gets him into some sticky situations.

            1. I wonder if they are going to call Cohen, Stormy when he goes to prison?

              1. Horse face; they’ll call him dick for horse face.

  8. I thought Amash’s question was a tiny breakthrough. The fact that Cohen just froze up like a deer in the headlights kinda made me think Trump isn’t worried about anything that Cohen knows of. If all the accusations against Trump were true, would not Trump fear any one of them? Why couldn’t Cohen imagine one? Cohen engaged in mountains of other speculation. If Cohen knows Trump’s mind as well as he claims to, he ought to have at least come up with a guess, no? I mean, Cohen just froze. Amusing.

    1. Cohen also said there were ongoing criminal investigations into the Trump family. Not so amusing.

      1. Cohen has an awfully unhinged jaw for someone who was an attorney for Trump and probably for much of the family. He deserves all the consequences being dumped upon him.

      2. Investigations which will probably lead nowhere.

        1. Did you honestly think that these investigations were suppose to ever lead somewhere?

        2. The only place they’re meant to lead is a Democrat being sworn in on January 20th, 2021. Anything else is just gravy.

      3. Listen fucking idiot, until they find something, investigations are nothing. This is America, innocent until proven guilty, full stop.

        Dickheads like you are how we end up with “believe all victims.”

    2. Remember Horse-Face Mueller had Cohen by the balls, so anything he is saying today surely Mueller knows about & if there is anything illegal he should get to it!!

      Cohen once said that he would take a bullet for Trump, so I guess he was OK with all the racism, con man & lies stuff all these years!

      If Trump was truly a racist, there would’ve been a lot of stories about it a long time ago! Trump was very heavily involved in prison reform! If he was a racist I do not think he would’ve been!

  9. “Cohen was fundamentally untrustworthy”

    As opposed to everyone else in that room?

  10. There’s nothing tone deaf about highlighting minority members of Trump’s administration. The whole point is to show that perceptions are based on individuals. There’s no such thing as a “black” people who all think Trump is racist. Some do, some don’t. It’s the same as any other group of people.

    1. You can’t defend against a claim of racism anyway. There is nothing that is accepted as evidence to the contrary.

      1. Claiming not to be racist is conclusive evidence of racism.

        1. Calling anyone a racist with no evidence is evidence of progressive idiocy and why progressives need to be kept out of political power permanently.

    2. I’ve never quite understood this whole, “Presenting evidence that you’re not a racist just proves that you’re a racist” thing.

      Or, rather, I’m afraid I understand it too well, and am disgusted with it.

  11. Least entertaining circus ever
    Tlaib damn near got herself censured, though

  12. This must have been the most sophisticated Russian collusion in the history of all time. Two years, a special counsel, two committees in the Senate and House, with the Senate concluding no collusion was found, and the entire corporate press investigating and still not a single person has been charged with the crime that most assuredly occurred even though no one can prove it.

    1. I honestly don’t know what collusion with Russia is even supposed to look like now.

      1. Then it’s working

      2. Surely that will be spelled out in The Mueller Report.

        If not, … get another Special Prosecutor to determine it!

      3. One of the few things that we do know is that being caught on mic saying you’ll have more flexibility after the election while actively kowtowing to Russia in foreign policy isn’t considered collusion. Go figure. The new Russian scare didn’t start until the precise moment that Obama left office, even though they fully admit that most of what they’re talking about occurred under his watch.

        1. Hey, he meant in the yoga sense and you know it!

        2. Here’s the thing, I don’t think there was anything wrong with Obama trying to reach an agreement with the Russians. It only became a problem when the status quo narrative determined it was convenient to declare Russia the new baddie du jour

          1. Obama wasn’t the point, just an example of things we know the state doesn’t consider collusion. Our opinions aren’t the question, and largely don’t matter.

        3. It’s also not collusion to pay an ex-spy to go to Russia to meet with various people to make up stories about Trump then hire other Russians top set up a meeting at Trump Tower with the intent of creating a pretext for surveilling the presidential campaign of a rival political party. That’s not collusion either, apparently

      4. Perhaps it was a misspelling all along? Someone wrote collusion when they meant to write collision.

        Do you think Trump ran into a Russian embassy car or something?

        1. His bellicose foreign policy with Russia is about to run into a collision. And then I fully expect those who pushed fever dreams to suddenly declare that the president is behaving recklessly toward Russia

          1. That’s the weirdest part. People pissed that he wasn’t trying to start a war with Russia. I bet you are right.

        2. When Obama does it it is the elected Executive setting foreign policy priorities.

          When Trump does it it is collusion.

          Didn’t Comey teach you anything?

      5. I honestly don’t know what collusion with Russia is even supposed to look like now.

        We have to wait for Mueller to tell us what it looks like. Then we’ll know.

    2. The crime “that most assuredly occurred” was most likely committed by Hillary, Bubba and the DNC but there is no chance at all that Congress will look into that.

      1. That is “the most sophisticated Russian collusion in the history of all time.”

      2. To which “most assuredly occurred crime” crime are you referring?

    3. It was incredibly sophisticated. They quietly funneled secrets from Moscow to campaign operatives and then leveraged the information to skew the election. And then they actually succeeded in protecting themselves by misdirecting law-enforcement attention to their opponents!

      Oh wait. You were talking about Trump, not Hillary, weren’t you?

      1. “”misdirecting law-enforcement “”

        Ha! They were involved.

        1. Good point. I should have just said “directing.”

          1. No kidding. They planted the spy that started the rumor that Russia had information that eventually entangled Page. They worked with Christopher Steele on the dossier. They took that dossier to a secret court to get access to Trumps communications. They worked on the special counsel team investigating Trump.

          2. Steele said in court the purpose of the dossier was to contest the election.

            That’s what this is about. Removing an elected President and the FBI was playing a role.

          3. Trump was an outsider that should not have won.

            We are seeing an established system trying it’s best to regurgitate the outsider.

            1. He’s not of the body.

    4. There was most certainly collusion with Russia, but it was HildaBeast & the DNC & certain members of the FBI & CIA & DOJ that colluded with them! HildaBeast was colluded with Russia in the Uranium 1 deal!

      1. Hillary and her campaigned used a British spy (Steele) to be the intermediary with Russian intel services.

  13. The payments were meant to protect Trump’s election chances in 2016.

    Hmm. If a poll showed that the payments actually *hurt* Trump (e.g., “I’d *totally* vote for someone who did it with a porn star!”), would all this go away?

    1. Nah, intent matters. So that Trump Cohen paid the blackmail with the intent to protect Trump’s chances is what matters, not whether it actually did so.

      1. “I reimbursed Mr. Cohen with the intent of hurting my chances. I’m a stand-up guy.”

      2. Also, pattern and practice matters. If he paid off previous women then this would be a pattern and not a campaign finance violation. Either way campaign finance law is largely subjective.

        Nonetheless, good luck telling people that Trump was caught-up in a campaign finance violation for paying off porn stars when you promised fever dreams.

        1. I wonder how deep the concealment went. Trump and Cohen used a fake company. Did Trump cook the books as part of the greater fraud?

          1. Now that would be explosive and moronic if they did such a thing, which would not surprise me. But, if it is what we know (Trump paid off a porn star which may or may not be a campaign violation) and Democrats act on that, I think it’s safe to say that their majority in the House is over.

          2. Define “fake company.”

            1. A company created to disguise the actions of another company.

              1. That’s a legitimate practice that businesspeople engage in all the time.

          3. Trump has not done a book in his entire life.

            Trump hires other people to do the books.

        2. “”Either way campaign finance law is largely subjective.””

          We don’t impeach presidents for breaking campaign finance laws. Else Obama would not have stayed in office.

          1. Congress can impeach a president for any reason it deems appropriate. And the American people can decide whether or not to keep the party that brought impeachment in power

            1. “”Congress can impeach a president for any reason it deems appropriate.””

              The Constitution says for high crimes and misdemeanors. But no impeachment has been tested for being unconstitutional. Until that happens. You are correct.

              1. The impeachment power is plenary, whatever Congress deems to be a high crime or misdemeanor is entirely Constitutional, and cannot in any way be ‘tested,’ much less reversed.

                But, it must be stressed, that is for impeachment, and the only result from impeachment is removal from office.

                1. I’ll also add that, should Congress successfully impeach a President for whatever ‘high crime or misdemeanor’ they identify, that is in no way binding precedent upon any future Congress.

                  It is an inherently and essentially a political act.

        3. You know what else was interesting: Cohen says he hid the payment to Daniels from his own wife! Apparently, wives finding out that their husbands are paying off porn stars creates disharmony in the home. Who knew? Cohen admits that’s a reason people hide such activity.

  14. This entire sorry episode only proves that where there’s smoke, sometimes there’s only smoke.

    1. Well, there may not be fire, but you don’t get smoke without at least a smoldering pile of crap, or something like that.

    2. This entire sorry episode only proves that where there’s smoke, sometimes there’s only smoke.

      It’s like a “fire, smoke, mirrors” version of roshambo: fire beats smoke, smoke beats mirrors, mirrors beat fire.

    3. This entire sorry episode only proves that where there’s smoke, sometimes some asshole set off a smoke bomb by the smoke detector.

      Did something to that for you.

  15. “”Cohen acknowledged that Trump didn’t actually tell people to lie for him, and he shied away from saying that Trump engaged in any sort of collusion. While Cohen thinks it’s possible, he stopped short of making any claims.””

    And that’s the claim people were waiting for.

    A nothingburger is was served.

    1. This is especially lame because they’ve been selling Cohen as Trump’s inside man, his fixer, the guy who knows where all the bodies are buried.

      According to the hype, if anybody would have serious dirt on Trump, it should be Cohen. And all Cohen can say is Trump’s a poopyhead, which isn’t a crime and everyone already knew.

    2. Nothingburgers will no doubt will be the favored meal in whatever federal pen Cohen ends up in.

  16. Why should we trust Cohen now about these issues when so far he’s been dishonest about everything else, according to the very people who are now saying that we should trust him when he starts to parrot the same things the prosecutors are saying.

    Oh, wait, I think I just answered my own question.

    1. To be fair, Trump is also a well known liar

      1. It’s liars all the way down.

      2. No kidding, he hired Cohen for that I’m sure. However, that is not the point.

  17. From what I saw of the hearing/struggle session, and admittedly I was drinking during part of it and asleep during most of the rest, I saw more bullshit than one would normally expect to see on daytime broadcast TV. Cohen’s a terrible person because he lied to Congress, cheated on his taxes, fudged the numbers on a loan application? If any of that was serious, we’d all be in jail. And then Cohen’s “revealing” the fact that Trump’s a horrible person? We all know Trump’s a liar, a cheater, a conman, an amoral, greedy, egotistical, self-centered fat-headed blowhard ignoramus – but what’s that got to do his qualifications for office? Sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    1. And Trump is still far cleaner than the Clintons………..

      Yikes.

    2. “If any of that was serious, we’d all be in jail.”

      A bit of hyperbole, I assume, as most people have never lied to Congress, and I doubt most people significantly cheat on their taxes, or fudge the numbers on loan applications, either.

  18. The only thing Cohen had any allegiance to is money. His explanation of when he changed was BS, he changed when arrested and convicted. A less credible witness than Christine Blasey Ford, which is hard to accomplish. Did Trump do somethings wrong? More than likely, but if Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton (and Hillary) and Bush 2 had been investigated that long and meticulously, they would have all been found to have done things wrong too. What I want to see is hard evidence, not hearsay.

  19. Elijah Cummings closing statement.

    Wow. Just amazing.

    1. He had to defend Mark Meadows after Tlaib (who is definitely not an antisemite, she is just uniquely obsessed with Israel and no other country) called Meadows a racist for having a black Trump employee at the hearing. Dude had a rough day

      1. That was a political triple double.

        Watched the whole thing. He nailed it, not just at the end the whole game.

        You know in basketball it is all about the last 3 points, the last minute.

        1. Ha!
          Elijah had a stroke up there.
          But we don’t expect any more from you, echo.
          Psychosis is a thing.

          1. Yes psychosis is a thing.

            Takes at least 12+ years after high school to make that diagnosis with any reliability.

            Stroke. At least that much. Then I could challenge you.

            Back off. You cannot even go there.

            1. You sound like a machine trying to pretend to be human.

              I.e. disjointed and insane.

              1. That is it?

                You must have more.

                1. That is it?

                  You cannot even go there.

                  Does not compute.

                  1. Exactly! “You cannot even go there” is such a weird inhuman mix of slang and too formal language.

                    1. How many years have you posted here Tulpa?

                      That must be a source of pride for you.

                  2. From our friends in Vancouver.

                    We have no more pancakes.

                    I repeat.

                    We have no more pancakes.

  20. Yeah Cohen thought he would make even more money by clinging to Trump.

    Trump is not interested in making money while he is President. Trump is clearly wanting to do what he said he would do during his campaign.

  21. So, Cohen claims that Trump is a racist. Michael Cohen apparently regularly recorded Trump without his knowledge, so does he have any tapes of Trump saying anything remotely racist? Given that we haven’t heard it playing on a loop on CNN for the last 6 months, I’m inclined to believe the answer is ‘no’.

  22. Interesting how Cohen was a serial liar until he got his plea deal, but now he’s 100% truthful.

    1. +100

    2. He was a paid serial liar while he worked for the Con Man.

      1. Hey, turd! Pay your bet!

      2. And stop posting kiddie porn!

      3. So Moneyshot is PB? Figures.

        I here PB was linking to kiddie porn. Figures. Progtards are often sick fucking predators.

  23. Is Trump visiting the Ho Chi Minh Memorial with his fellow authoritarian tonight?

    Actually if the Dotard had a son he would look like Lil’ Kim.

    1. “Actually if the Dotard had a son he would look like Lil’ Kim.”

      Even your insults are pathetic.
      Fuck off, turd. Make the world a smarter place: Die.

      1. That is what I like about you Sevo; you tell people to just fuck off and die.

        We need more of that.

        1. I hope to make the world a better place for my being here.

        2. I’ve been working daily to convince Tony to end it all. No luck thus far.

    2. Have you seen the latest evidence of the abysmal state of the Drumpf economy?

      Bad Christmas for Victoria’s Secret Means More Store Closings Ahead

      It appears lingerie joins footwear (Payless) and ketchup (Kraft Heinz) on the list of things people simply cannot afford anymore.

      #DrumpfRecession
      #UnbanPalinsButtplug

      1. WEIGHT WATCHERS IS GOING BROKE! PEOPLE CAN’T AFFORD DIET FOOD ANYMORE!

        1. You need to worry about affording a lawyer to keep you out of prison for posting child pornography.

          1. Eat shit, you liar.

            1. As soon as you stop posting kiddie porn linls and start respecting other people’s property.

            2. Oohhhhh……angry pedo!

              PB, I’m curious, is Tony filming his exploits for you to watch? He likes them young.

      2. Ok you’ve redeemed yourself; I actually snorted.

    3. Stop posting kiddie poen links!

  24. Mark Meadows ‘TRUMP HAS A NIGRA FRIEND! I GOT HER RAHT HERE!’

    1. Fuck do you know how racist and biggotted you sound, while trying to implicate others as racist? So far, every remark of your’s I’ve seen indicates limited intellectual capability and no original thinking. Hint: hyperpartisan talking points, especially your rather peurile ones, just indicates a sycophant rather than an intellectual. It is okay to think for yourself, you should try it.

      1. Making fun of rednecks makes me sound racist? You’re an idiot. I am not partisan in the least since I hate conservatives and progressives equally. I have repeatedly said that Bernie Sanders is a bigger idiot than the Dotard is.

        You fucking Trumptards are out to protect your Dear Leader at any cost.

        1. Well, yes screech you are a racist in addition to being a pedophile. It’s why you got banned.

          Not to mention that you have no respect for Reason’s property rights.

          1. Did PB infringe on Reason’s IP?

        2. moneyshot|2.27.19 @ 8:05PM|#
          “…I am not partisan in the least since I hate conservatives and progressives equally….”

          You’re a laugh riot on top of being an imbecilic liar, turd.

        3. First, as I have stated multiple times on here I did not vote for Trump I campaigned for Paul in the primary and then Gary Johnson in the general, second everyone can see your schtick for what it is, projection. You seemed more than eager to use the words you used with some semblance of cover. It almost appears as if you were giddy to get away with using those phrases without negative outcomes. BTW, hyperpartisan can also apply to libertarians not just Republicans and Democrats.

    2. You “Here are some links to youtube videos children doing gymnastics”

      1. Like your hero The Con Man all you have is lies and more lies.

        Now you’re preoccupied with child porn.

        You are a sick piece of shit.

        1. Well yeah, you coming back after you got banned for posting kiddie porn links is hard to ignore.

        2. PB, do you merely watch kiddie porn, or are you an actual molester of children? Just asking for a friend in the FBI.

  25. So what happens if someone comes forward with evidence that he purjured himself in the first 5 minutes over his Chief of Staff claim.

  26. What’s it called when one guy stands in place and an endless parade of libertarians take turns sucking his cock? Is that’s what’s going on in this thread with Trump, same as the earlier one? I’d just like to get caught up on the sizzling political commentary.

    1. Tony|2.27.19 @ 7:57PM|#
      What’s it called ……”

      What’s it called when one scumbag keeps repeating lies and posting about his sexual obsessions?
      It’s called “fucking lefty ignoramus”.

      1. Or shorter: Tony

  27. “I am not protecting Mr. Trump anymore.”
    i.e.
    “I’ve always been a big fat liar but you should *totally* trust me now. For reals.”

    1. So since he was a big fat liar for Trump for 10 years, what does that say about Trump?

      1. That he’s still a better choice than Hillary, or any democrat the communists will nominate to spread their evil.

  28. I’m always too late- the cultists always come defending their dear leader before anyone with a smidgen of intelligence can comment.

    1. Any poster that exhibits independence is attacked repeatedly.

      GIT HIM! HE IS EXCAPING THE GOP PLANTATION!

      1. Don’t you have some kids to fuck you gross pedophile?

        1. Your projection doesn’t do shit to me, you sick piece of shit.

          I’ll be here to laugh at you Trump Rednecks when he slinks out of office.

          1. And I’m here to keep reminding you that you got banned for posting kiddie porn links and that you have no respect for other people’s property.

      2. moneyshot|2.27.19 @ 8:06PM|#
        “Any poster that exhibits independence is attacked repeatedly.”

        You misspelled “stupidity” turd.

  29. This place has turned into a Trump worshiping shithole. And Welch/Gillespie try to be politically independent. If they read the comments they must want to hide in shame.

    1. Well you got banmed and decided tp disrespe t Reason’s property rights and come back. That’s on you, you gross fucking pedophile.

      1. Your projection doesn’t do shit to me, you sick piece of shit.

        I’ll be here to laugh at you Trump Rednecks when he slinks out of office.

        Trump’s tiny mushroom cock must be delicious to you.

        1. You got banned for posting kiddie porn links and you have no respect for other people’s property.

          1. Liar.

            A True Trumptard you are.

            1. You got banned for posting kiddie porn links and you have no respect for other people’s property.

              1. He admits to ‘daddy issues’, but I didn’t know he had ‘kiddie issues’. No great surprise; we’re not dealing with any real intelligence, nor stability.
                Turd, make the world smarter: Die.

    2. That just means Clinton voters like us have to #Resist even harder. Maybe you should make a personal goal to double the amount of economic links you’d normally post.

      1. Please don’t encourage him to post child porn.
        I hope the sick imbecile gets lynched by his neighbors.

        1. Yeah seriously, we don’t need that kind of crap here.

    3. Trump-humpers don’t really have an anti-market nationalist magazine of their own to hang out in, so they lurk on others’ forums. There’s the American Conservative, but there’s probably too much talk of Jesus on there for them. How could anyone place Jesus above Trump?

      1. Hi screech’s other sock.

        You got banned for posting kiddie porn links and you have no respect for other people’s property.

        1. Thankfully someone else who doesn’t suck Trump’s cock stops by here once in a while.

          1. And you got banned for posting kiddie porn links and you have no respect for other people’s property.

        2. *Adds Butler T. Reynolds to confirmed screech sockpuppets*

      2. Butler T. Reynolds|2.27.19 @ 8:27PM|#
        “…How could anyone place Jesus above Trump?”

        Why don’t you tell us, turd?

    4. moneyshot|2.27.19 @ 8:08PM|#
      “This place has turned into a Trump worshiping shithole.”

      It got much more intelligent for a time before you returned to spread your lies and stupidity, turd.

  30. Show trials are fun.

  31. What I think this article missed was that a number of Democrats, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, were calmly asking questions that are likely to lead to more in depth scrutiny of President Trumps taxes and financial records. While some Republicans were acting hysterical and trying to discredit Cohen and the hearing, the Democrats were pulling at threads. I agree that this hearing settles little. Its significance is where it leads and what it starts to unravel.

    1. We get it, you’re a prog engaging in wishcasting.

      1. You are so fucking annoying.

        1. “You are so fucking annoying.”

          You are such a fucking lefty ignoramus.

    2. I can’t see that going very far for two reasons

      1) AOC is an idiot and poisons everything she touches since being elected. Her questions sounded more like anti-billionaire agitprop, not pulling at threads.

      2) They’ve had his financial info for some time, at least what they’re entitled to, and bupkus. He and his attorneys won’t let them get anything else without a real reason, and Cohen isn’t going to be good enough. Not even close.

      1. You underestimate Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. She followed up on a colleague questions. Asked smart questions in a concise way. She got names. She got reasons to request financial records. Yes, she makes mistakes, buts she is young, smart and she learns from her mistakes..

        1. Sarcasm?

    3. Moderation4ever|2.27.19 @ 9:09PM|#
      “…Its significance is where it leads and what it starts to unravel.”

      Yeah, two plus years of investigation, and now you are stupid enough to think scripted testimony before congress is going to start some ‘unraveling’?
      I have a link for you:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUvfZj-Fm0
      Just for you, since you absolutely deserve it.
      (And thanks to the commenter who provided it earlier today)

  32. OMG, Donald Trump “shaded” the truth – I have never met a developer who has done such an evil deed!
    Evah!

    1. And no President ever shaded the truth, right?

      1. Hey!

        You can keep your truth if you like your truth!

  33. I’d like to think things could be better. If we can afford to waste this much time and effort on this sort of nonsense then maybe things are about as good as they can get.

    Other than, you know, having to FUCKING PAY FOR ALL THIS BULLSHIT.

  34. Cohen: “Trump was not planning to win the election. He was completely surprised when he won the primary. He ran because he wanted to increase his ratings, he did it all for publicity, he once called it his biggest infomercial. He didn’t care about winning the election at all”.

    Democrat zombie, a few minutes later: “So you testify here that Trump is so desperate about winning, he would go to any lengths to win the election, even as far as colluding with the Russians, because he always wants to win?”

    Cohen, serenely: “Yeah, Trump is all about winning, that’s all he wants, he would do anything just to win.”

    1. Hmm, yes, there seems to be a bit of, well, douchbaggery in those statements.

  35. Though probably the least important thing talked about, I would love to see those grades and SAT scores. Purely for entertainment of course.

  36. “I can only warn you that the people who follow Trump as I did, blindly, are going to suffer the same consequences that I did.”

    Trump made him do it!

  37. This Cohen stuff has a very Smollett flavor: “Let me tell you firsthand how all your worst fears are absolutely true! You can’t be too pessimistic when it comes to this shit!”

    I’d proceed with caution before running away on the Cohen bandwagon. We’ve seen how this plays out.

    1. They still fucking that chicken on FOX News?

      1. They still fucking that chicken on FOX News?
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        This is haw you can tell that they know it’s not working.

        If Cohen’s ‘testimony’ had done anything positive for the left Tony wouldn’t be on here insulting the coverage. He’d be gloating over all the great stuff the MSM was putting out.

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  39. “I am not protecting Mr. Trump anymore.”

    The question isn’t whether he’s protecting Trump. The question is whether he’s still lying. Is there any reason at all he should be believed at this point?

    1. That Cohen was ever protecting Trump is a lie.

      He was a flunky doing what he was told. Nothing more.

    2. Once a liar, always a liar. Pay no attention to any incentives or the fact that Trump has actually admitted to paying hush money to a porn star he fucked during Shark Week while he was married to someone else.

      That is the best Republicans can come up with. And you people buy it. It’s just so sad.

      That’s if you don’t think they have an even superior argument in “He’s not a racist because he has a black friend.”

      1. ” the fact that Trump has actually admitted to paying hush money to a porn star he fucked during Shark Week while he was married to someone else.”

        Yeah, which is among the numerous reasons why nobody but nobody regards Trump as a moral icon.

        But there’s quite a bit of difference between “not a moral icon” and “criminal”.

      2. Ok Tony, I’ll ask again. Which democrats are so clean and moral?

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  41. ‘dragging up a minority woman on Trump’s staff’

    Really? Did they drag her up in a noose?

    Was she kicking and screaming?

    You act as if the woman in question had no choice in the matter.

    1. It’s always this way. Women are super-plus-equal until they have no agency and need protection. Which is whenever progressives say it is. And the women in question better not disagree.

  42. I am no fan of Donald Trump.

    One thing he is unfairly accused of. I do not think he is a racist. He is also not at all antisemitic, misogynistic, and is the most gay friendly president we have had. He does not care about any of that.

    1. I’m not even sure what it means to be a “racist”.

      I agree that Trump has no animus toward anyone merely because of their race, gender, or sexual orientation. He seems comfortable associating with, working with, and even befriending men and women of various races and sexual orientations.

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