Bill Weld Shrugs off #NeverTrump's Cold Shoulder
"All I can do is keep plotting straight ahead," says the GOP field's lone challenger, who is polling at 18 percent.

This week, Republicans for the Rule of Law, a project launched by Defending Democracy Together, the anti-Trump, center-right 501(c)(4) headed up by veteran Washington commentator/schemer Bill Kristol, has been running a commercial on Fox in the D.C. media market pointedly reminding congressional Republicans such as Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham of their vanishing opposition to executive branch overreach. "It's a pretty grim day for those of us trying to keep hope alive for the GOP," Kristol tweeted yesterday, after only a handful of Republicans voted against President Donald Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border.
Meanwhile in The Bulwark, which Kristol founded, Publisher Sarah Longwell defended the site's preoccupation with finding a GOP challenger to the incumbent president. "I want the Republican party to have a future after Trump," Longwell wrote, "and I think that the best way to achieve that is for a serious conservative to lay the foundation for a post-Trump GOP that preserves conservatism and can compete electorally now, as part of a primary campaign."
Yet just 475 miles north, a living, breathing Republican challenger to Donald Trump continued his rule of law-focused campaign in small-town New Hampshire in the absence of anything like warmth from D.C.'s #NeverTrump plotters. The president "is a great demander of people being loyal to him…sometimes at the expense of being loyal to the truth," Bill Weld lamented to a town hall audience of 50 at New England College in Henniker. "Never Trumpers want a candidate, but Bill Weld is not the guy," ran the Washington Examiner headline hours before.
The objections to Weld are familiar. As object-of-#NeverTrump-affection Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan put it to CBS News last week, "I don't know how seriously most people are taking his candidacy, quite frankly. I mean, he's been out of politics for quite a while….He's switched parties back and forth a couple times. And not sure he's the right guy." Added (to the Examiner) Niskanen Center President Jerry Taylor, who has been reportedly hosting a regular "meeting of the concerned" for Washington's Trump-averse: "As far as what I'm looking for? I'm looking for someone who can draw blood in the primaries. Whether [Weld] can draw blood in the primaries remains to be seen."
I asked Weld about the #NeverTrump reticence after last night's town hall. "Well, all I can do is keep plotting straight ahead, so that's what I will do," he said affably. "So far the response has been good, and not just here." His final decision on whether to run should come "somewhere between a month and two months," and the lean at the moment appears to be toward doing it.
"The time is now. The game is afoot," wrote Tim Miller in The Bulwark five weeks ago. "This primary will be an opportunity to chart a future course for conservatism; to become a hero to those who aren't represented by President Trump's crude transactionalism; to remind the country that our politics don't have to be so base, and so selfish, and so unpatriotic, and so damn short of what we are capable."
And yet the two names most often invoked by the #NeverTrump organizers—Larry Hogan and CNN contributor John Kasich—are acting anything but heroic in the campaign thus far. Hogan in an Associated Press interview last week suggested that he's waiting to see how much damage will be inflicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's final report. "I don't have the inside scoop on what it's going to say," Hogan told the AP. "But if there was damaging information, if…some serious charges come out or it becomes worse than it is today, and he took a hit in the polls, then I think all bets are off." Courage!
As for Kasich, the former Ohio governor's keeping-all-options-open shtick has mostly been a make-work scheme for adviser John Weaver, as this scabrous (and well-documented) Hot Air piece by Jason Hart makes plain.
"I'm not waiting to see what happens with the Mueller investigation, because I know all I need to know about the rule of law," Weld told me. "Bob Mueller and I used to be prosecutors together, however many years ago it was. And…we know a lot more about how Mr. Trump will handle things now than we did two years ago; we don't have to guess anymore."
(Fun fact, care of The Center for Public Integrity: "Special Counsel Robert Mueller's sole federal contribution on record went to Weld. Mueller wrote Weld two checks totalling $450 during Massachusetts' 1996 U.S. Senate race, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.")
So how is Weld being received in New Hampshire? There has only been one poll so far, a Feb. 21-22 Emerson College Survey of 328 likely primary voters show Trump trouncing his potential competitor, 82 to 18 percent. (Keep in mind that the incumbent-primarying example Weld doesn't want to follow, liberal Republican congressman Pete McCloskey in 1972, dropped out of the race after receiving a disappointing 20 percent in the Granite State.)
At the Henniker town hall, the audience was appreciative, and also not noticeably conservative. One questioner described herself as "an ACLU voter," a second worked with the American Civil Liberties Union on criminal justice issues, and a third wanted to know what Weld would do about "anti-choice" (meaning abortion) "insanity." (Weld, while noting his pro-choice credentials, emphasized that he respects people and arguments on all sides of the issue.) There was discussion on Native American issues, LGTBQ rights, sexual assault, and who might play Weld on Saturday Night Live.
"I expected some hostile questions," the maybe-candidate enthused after, "and those were accommodating!"
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#NeverBillWeld
I don't think you have a lot to worry about there.
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OMG, you guys are missing out. This is awesome. Alex is in top form. Currently ranting about human-pig-cow hybrids.
Are they smoking weed yet? Watching Alex Jones get stoned is some fine entertainment.
Joe is smoking. Alex said he doesn't smoke because it makes him paranoid.
I larfed
I think 2020 is finally his year.
"All I can do is keep plotting straight ahead," says the GOP field's lone challenger, who is polling at 18 percent.
Unless he's a navigator, I would assume he meant "plodding" there.
Given Reason's lack of editing prowess, I'm guessing it wasn't what he said, it was what they wrote.
Real editors have gone the way of buggy whips.
Who can forget the infamous AP sit and shiver feck-up of 2018?
In the original version of the article, AP wrote that "The sheriff said he was 'devastated, sick to my stomach. There are no words. I mean these families lost their children. We lost coaches. I've been to the funerals. I've been to the homes where they sit and shiver. I've been to the vigils. It's just, ah, there are no words.'"
In reality, Sheriff Israel had been referring to the traditional weeklong Jewish mourning period, or shiva, during which mourners remain at home and receive condolence calls. The practice is colloquially referred to in English as "sitting Shiva", translated from Hebrew.
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The Never Trump Republicans are pretty much all on the payroll of the left these days.
When the Republican Party has literally been taken over by alt-right white nationalist Russian pawns, the #NeverTrumpers are smart to find allies wherever they can.
I don't know about left so much as they are basic run-of-the-mill NeoCons. If they were leftists they might in fact support Weld. Since they are NeoCons they aren't supporting him.
Bill Kristol never met a war he didn't like.
Leftists are funding them because they see it as a way to make trouble for Trump. One thing Trump has done is smoke out the Neocons for who they are. The Max Boot piece in the Post a couple of weeks ago about Syria was just amazing. He argued in so many words it didn't matter that Syria was unwinnable, all that matters is that we fight a war there. The term "war monger" gets thrown around way too much. But, Boot and Kristol and those like them really do deserve the moniker. They seem to support war for its own sake. That is the dictionary definition of a war monger.
I suspect that leftists would like to see as many primary challenges for Trump as possible, so I'll grant you that.
Eisenhower warned us about an ever-growing military-industrial complex. It seems that it's grown to incorporate all forms of politicians, right and left. Trump being an outsider who is self-funded and not interested in his first political experience as a jumping board to the presidency (because it is the presidency) has them running in circles. Of all the times that I've been critical of Trump over immigration or trade, it is refreshing to see a politician at the highest level who isn't under the influence of the MI Complex.
You have to go to the middle east to fully appreciate the amount of money people are making from US military intervention there. It is just unbelievable. I have never bought into the "nations go to war for profit" BS. But, I honestly think part of the reason why so many people in Washington lost their minds over the prospect of Trump taking office was that he was an outsider who might cut the gravy train off.
Leftists are funding them because they see it as a way to make trouble for Trump.
Is there any proof of that, you fucking lunatic?
One thing Trump has done is smoke out the Neocons for who they are.
I think eight years of Bush did that.
They seem to support war for its own sake. That is the dictionary definition of a war monger.
Warmonger is one word, and the dictionary definition of warmonger is not "supporting war for its own sake."
Is there any proof of that, you fucking lunatic?
Yes
http://www.amgreatness.com/201.....nefactors/
Why else would liberal billionaires be funding Kristol if not to make trouble for Trump?
And it is good you can spell warmonger as one word. At least you said something of value on here. That may be a first.
Crusty, being angry and billigerent just isn't a good look for you. Either be smart and an asshole, or be stupid and good natured and funny. You used to be the latter. Know your limitations.
John, I usedd to think youre smart, I really did. But you always disappoint me and say something stupid. Its pathetc. It used to be entertaining but now its just sad,
I never thought you were smart. But, you trying to bait me is kind of funny. You are so fucking transparent.
You always see right through me.
No always. As transparant as you are, I am even easier to bait. So sometimes I fall for it. But increasingly it is easy to spot and has long become boring.
HA HA! He called you boring.
Lol this comment from a guy that just tried to play schoolmistress the comment before. Best belly laugh I've ever gotten from this shit show of a site.
jfc Tulpa you are using even the old names! I applaud your disturbing passion.
I appreciated your defense of Bill Kristol. John may be a partisan, but the need for some to defend Weld and Kristol is "curious" to say the least.
I appreciate how calling John a lunatic is defense of anyone.
I appreciate how generic your thinking is.
I appreciate how predictable your response is.
I appreciate your appreciation about your appreciation for being appreciated
I'm just looking for an appreciation trophy here, so if we can get that out of the way I'll be satisfied.
I don't appreciate any of this.
Tulpa wouldn't be so bad if he weren't so completely humorless. I think it has to do with the fact that humor is ultimately a social bonding tool and about connecting with other people, and he hasn't ever figured out how that works. Or even considered it something worthwhile to pursue.
cut him some slack. It is very easy to be humorless on the internet.
John may be wrong on the "Leftist" part and he may probably just hates Weld because he's challenging Trump, but anyone who thinks that someone who allies with Kristol could ever claim to be in favor of "small government" is perpetually brain dead. Hence, why Niskanen had Kristol and Boot at their last conference.
Just Say'n I never said Weld was funded by leftists. I said Kristol is.
It takes a special brand of mental illness to create numerous fake screen names to lamely troll people on this website.
I like it!
If I were a troll, I would think I'd be a little more clever
If you were capable of being more clever, everyone wouldn't know you were a troll.
We all can't be as clever as you to just spout whatever opinion is regurgitated to us by the authors
Exactly, all you can do is troll.
If I were a troll, I would think I'd be a little more clever
Not clever enough to realize that comment was not about you.
John is smart and its clear from his posts that he has things to say, is very articulate, and usually is even willing to engage trolls who reply to his posts with shit comments.
Crusty is...lol
So you're John's sock! That's even more boring than if you were a real person.
No Crusty is my sock. LC 1789 is tulp's sock. And the entire thing is managed by OBL.
Ho-leee sheeit!
At least John understands that I am the only one around here who could be Tulpa's sock.
Nobody could be my sock
...and Crusty is Crusty's own sock.
At least John understands
So you rather people think you're John's taint licker rather than John's sock? Suit yourself. But... ew...
As much as I would love to think lovecon89 is a John sock, he is too dumb to be John and doesn't make those hilarious spelling errors.
Defending Bill Kristol and Bill Weld to own.....John. Yeah, you guys are totally all about small government
Don't forget to show your work. If you're going to call people out for defending Weld and Kristol you have to quote them.
You can't just scroll up thread? I know you are slightly retarded, but come on
Nobody wants to be Chipper Morning Wood nor SparkY's sock
You can't just scroll up thread?
Rather than asking a dumb question you would be more honest to admit that you made a dumb assumption.
Defending Bill Kristol and Bill Weld to own.....John. Yeah, you guys are totally all about small government
I hope this is a serious take.
If the main criticism that you're noting is that Kristol and Weld are not "leftists", OK. I'm sure most actual Leftists like Gleen Greenwald and Tulsi Gabbard would rather not be lumped in with that crowd. But, why people feel the need to defend Kristol and Weld is beyond me.
why people feel the need to defend Kristol and Weld is beyond me.
Who defended them?
No one defended Bill Kristol in the comments.
"They seem to support war for its own sake. That is the dictionary definition of a war monger.
Warmonger is one word, and the dictionary definition of warmonger is not "supporting war for its own sake."
I thought this was you defending Kristol and Boot from the moniker of war monger. If not that, than I'm wrong. But, John's criticisms of Kristol and Weld are not wrong, besides his need to frame everything as "Leftist" or "Trump".
If not that, than I'm wrong.
You're wrong, he was being a pedant. CAN'T YOU SEE HE'S JUST TRYING TO FIT IN?
besides his need to frame everything as "Leftist" or "Trump".
Do you just not read my posts or just cherry pick the parts you want? I honestly can see no rational reason how anyone could take what I am saying to mean that. Sometimes I really wonder what the hell is wrong with some of you people.
"The Never Trump Republicans are pretty much all on the payroll of the left these days."
Neocons are not necessarily Leftists.
Being on the payroll of leftists doesn't necessarily make you a leftist.
I thought this was you defending Kristol and Boot from the moniker of war monger.
jfc
Yeah, I'm not seeing anyone defending either of those people. Rarely have I seen a sub-thread with so many people missing the point. I lost some brain cells reading that.
Zeb,
I have to admit, I didn't think calling Neocons warmongers on Hit and Run would spark a giant argument. This place is bizzare sometimes.
This place is bizzare sometimes.
Bizarrity is the spice of life.
Neocons? Who are you and what did you do with John?
Aw, come on, Zeb. It's all in good fun.
Sure. Don't let me interfere. I just felt compelled to comment after I read all of that mess.
They were always on the payroll of the left.
For the most part, they used to be called NeoConservatives. The Neo part was because the were war mongering Democrats who fled the Democrat party because they were not, at the time, hawkish enough. They were never conservative in any meaningful way and as far from libertarian as it is possible to get.
NeoConservatives combine all the worst traits of Democrats (Big Government in the social arena) with the worst traits of republicans (Big government in the interventionist military realm). They are in fact fascists.
The fact that Matt Welsh is shilling for them here tells us a whole lot about what is going on with Reason. Apparently Reason is to become the replacement for the failed National Review. Oh Goody.
I really wish we could return to the days when respectable, patriotic figures like Bill Kristol had more influence in the Republican Party. Sure, he was a major proponent of the Iraq War. But that war, while misguided, pales in comparison to the violence against brown bodies that Drumpf has unleashed with his draconian anti-immigrant policies.
#LibertariansForABetterGOP
#PutTheNeoconsBackInCharge
Why am I not surprised that OBL is praising Fascists.
Is McMuffin available?
I believe he has egg on his face now.
In terms of fundraising, he wasn't really bringing home the bacon anyway.
Something... something... sausage.
Don't watch how sausages or candidacies are made?
Are we going to be subject to posts about Weld for the next 2 years?
So long as Welch has an expense account.
Matt's doing participant-observation NeverTrump fake news
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.....177682.cms
A no shit war between Pakistan and India may be breaking out. That is not good.
One thing's for sure - a war like that might well warm the globe.
Actually I think it would cool it, with all of the ash and such.
Look at the bright side. The US will lose the stigma of being the only country to use a nuclear weapon in war.
Pakistan being wiped off the face of the earth would make things a lot easier in Afghanistan. There is that.
With Pakistan gone, what was left of India would be a lot more receptive to preventing Muslim terrorists moving around the region.
We also get to see what a future nuclear war between countries would look like. We have been guessing all these decades.
I would certainly have a cooling effect on my nest egg.
*looks for 401k option to convert portfolio to MREs, hookers, and cocaine.
The Doomsday Fund
Stock up on booze and bullets. You can trade those for your hookers and blow.
I already havE enough bullets and Arms to arm a small army.
Booze never really goes bad, so I got a good supply of that.
Hookers and coke do spoil, so need a fresh supply.
Bill Weld just got excited after hearing the words "war"
I knew that unsettled Kashmir region was gonna have some shit kick off someday.
I also noticed that Pakistan gave up some Kashmir to China and India did as well. I think it shows "administered by China" or something. Weird that they would give land to the Commies since they have been fighting over the Kashmir region since Pakistan was formed.
If they nuke each other over some show down aircraft, pilots, and shooting matches we are gonna need a lot more journalists to learn to code and handle the phones.
Surely they are not crazy enough to nuke each other. Let's hope.
They have been at 'war' 4 times as well as numerous skirmishes
Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts
I don't know a great deal about the conflicts but I think Indians are tired of giving Muslims Indian territory and then Pakistanis want more. I also don't think you necessarily want an adjacent border with the Commies in China. The Commies in China have caused border troubles for all their neighbors IIRC.
Hopefully, as you say, this defuses.
As Oscar Wilde said, you'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the snubbing of Bill Weld.
Oscar Wilde knew about Bill Weld and didn't warn us over a century ago?? WTF Oscar, where were you on that one?
Too busy diddling the footman.
One of the many things Oscar Wilde knew yet chose not to warn us about.
At the Henniker town hall, the audience was appreciative, and also not noticeably conservative. One questioner described herself as "an ACLU voter," a second worked with the American Civil Liberties Union on criminal justice issues, and a third wanted to know what Weld would do about "anti-choice" (meaning abortion) "insanity." (Weld, while noting his pro-choice credentials, emphasized that he respects people and arguments on all sides of the issue.) There was discussion on Native American issues, LGTBQ rights, sexual assault, and who might play Weld on Saturday Night Live.
The electorate is irredeemably stupid. We're getting what we deserve.
Ouch my balls!
Finally a post that stokes the fire in my Lawbertarian loins.
I prefer Loinbertarian laws. Free my loins!
Looks like Bill Weld is flaring up Crusty's gonorrhea.
It doesn't matter what Bill Weld shrugs off.
"Defending Democracy Together, the anti-Trump, center-right 501(c)(4) headed up by veteran Washington commentator/schemer Bill Kristol"
It is amazing how fast some went from "bleeding heart libertarian" to full on "neocon". Niskanen and now the LP's darling Weld.
Receipts:
http://www.twitter.com/JD_Tuccille/st.....2397771777
http://www.twitter.com/David_Boaz/sta.....4411236352
Learn to link.
Haha, they both deleted the conversations.
I'll find the saved conversation.
http://www.twitter.com/David_Boaz/sta.....4411236352
http://www.twitter.com/JD_Tuccille/st.....2397771777
Or maybe they didn't delete it. Bad link on my part
http://www.twitter.com/JD_Tuccille/st.....7973955587
".@JD_Tuccille @David_Boaz You would be less forgiving on gay marriage than on mass murder. Very strange priorities."
And that about sums it up
Taking twits out of context is worse than murdering two-second-old babies.
Was Bill Weld's support for every American intervention overseas since the 90's out of context, too?
You seem awfully fixated on Bill Weld. I don't even remember what the guy did as governor of MA and I live here.
- Gun control
- Support for literally every overseas conflict since the 90's
- Endorsing Mitt Romney
- Endorsing John Kasich mere seconds before deciding to run in the LP
You might be the only person who knows all that stuff about him. The real reason he isn't going to be President is because he's utterly forgettable.
I know he's not going to be president, but it's still ridiculous that he was ever on the LP ticket or that people still defend him. He's basically George W. Bush except he supports gay marriage and pot too
Well libertarians clearly aren't as smart as they believe themselves to be.
Also implemented the first income taxes in Conn. history.
A signature libertarian plank if there ever was one.
Tuccille is a beltway libertarian?
If you call the perpetually dry moat around his Arizona compound a beltway, then sure.
Troooo libertarian fights are cripple fights at their finest.
There is nothing more rebellious than defending consensus foreign policy and one of its chief proponents. He's a real rebel
You really do like to read between the lines.
Did I not read what I did read?
Better superpower: reading minds or reading true intentions from between lines.
Better superpower: reading minds or reading true intentions from between lines.
Weld doesn't have a superpower.
They might have better luck if they could ever explain what about Trump requires them to defend democracy whatever that means.
The real question is: Who gives a f*** about Bill Weld?
I support both Bill Weld and Bill Kristol in all their endeavors.
What about Bill Cosby?
Ghost Dad > Ghost imo
So true
How about a remake of Ghost, starring Bill Cosby?
I don't think they make Quaaludes anymore
:'(
That might be the smartest comment I've ever seen on this site.
And now we know the truth: Crusty works for a cruise ship line.
Carnal Cruises?
Kristol is a famous hawker of cruise ship packages.
Kristol does think he is... King of the World!
Bill Weld [something]
[something something blah blah]
by Matt Welch
pls stop
I understand why they embraced Weld when he became a Libertarian. But now that he has left the LP, isn't continuing to write puff pieces about him kind of pathetic? It is getting to be Chris Martin going on his ex wife's honymoon with her new husband so he could take care of the kids pathetic.
Sorry Matt, Weld is just not that into you.
They should have never embraced Weld.
That too. But continuing to stalk him after he is gone is bordering on the bizzare.
Weld is 'hurting' Trump when none of the other Lefty schemes have worked.
When I say 'hurt' Trump I mean that Trump has to waste time rolling back government to do a GOP Primary where he will utterly dominate Bill Weld.
Bill Weld was never a libertarian when he was a Libertarian.
Now he's not even a Libertarian, but a Republican. So how is he even the slightest bit relevant to Reason?
He's not even a Republican.
No Republican worth his salt would endorse Hillary like Bill Weld did.
"I hope Gary Johnson and Bill Weld win the presidential election, but if we don't I hope Hillary Clinton does," Weld told reporters before a rally at Faneuil Hall Monday night.
If a person's concern is the Rule of Law in America, Trump is the least of his worries.
The Rule of Law took a massive hit under the previous administration, and that hit continues to be felt in terms of the unique treatment of the present administration.
Yes. But they are not concerned about the Rule of Law. They are just pissed off Trump had the audacity to win an election with the support of people they hate. It is not even about Trump really. It is about how much people like Weld, Kristol and likely Welch loath a certain section of the American public and how they can never forgive Trump for the sin of seeking and accepting their support. It is class snobbery all the way down.
They would have done the same thing if Gary Johnson won the election.
I don't think GayJay would have stood up to Lefties like Trump does but they still would have attacked Gary Johnson daily.
Hillary was supposed to be President.
Well it was her turn.
"It's all Obama's fault! Black man bad!"
You really aren't bright are you?
Poor Trump. He had no choice but to continue to do many of the same shitty things that Obama did. Amirite or amirite? It's all Obama's fault.
What things are those? Do you even try to figure out what is going on or just emote?
@chemjeff radical individualist its funny when leftards try to sound sarcastic, they just come off seeming desperate and lame.
Lefties can't meme.
They can't even imitate memes properly.
I don't think the word here is "plotting". I'm pretty sure he was using the old saying "plodding along", meaning moving slowly like the turtle in the turtle and the hare. I can always spot a writer who's too young to know these things.
WELCOME TO THE PARTY, PAL!
So...
Did crusty post pedophilia instructions like buttplug/moneyshot did?
I'm late to the conversation, but it seems he was here but is now no more
That's weird. I didn't see anything that seemed to cross a line.
Me either. That is really strange
Huh, when did buttplug get banned?
A few weeks ago. He apparently posted instructions on how to access child porn on the dark we. Amazing
Wow. What a loser. Thanks for the update.
Well that certainly explains a lot.
"He apparently posted instructions on how to access child porn on the dark we. Amazing" sounds about right, I knew that guy was a leftard freak.
"Bill Kristol, has been running a commercial on Fox in the D.C. media market pointedly reminding congressional Republicans such as Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham of their vanishing opposition to executive branch overreach"
This is why NeverTrumpers are dismissed as concern trolls. There is zero probability that Bill fucking Kristol is sincerely concerned about executive branch overreach.
Absolutely right. Bill Kristol is ALL about limitless executive power .... so long as one his folks are president.
Why, I just remember SO clearly Bill opposing the Patriot Act, and the renewal of the Patriot Act.... not.
Stand by for Kristol's relaunch of The Weekly Standard as The Bulwark And The Carpetbagger.
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Republicans will only accept a #NeverTrumper if he's a die hard warmongering neocon. They don't care about the protectionism, they don't care about a wall or not, they don't care about immigration, all they care is that the bombs keep dropping on weddings. They would nominate Obama if they could.
Bill Weld has proven he is a opportunistic hack and "Reason" keeps falling for his Neo Con bull shit. I called it way back when, Weld isn't a libertarian or a conservative, he is a big government Republican and it wouldn't surprise me if he is actually a asset for the Demonrats.