Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal Aims to Eliminate Air Travel

Sorry, Hawaii.

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Democratic socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) today introduced a House resolution outlining her long-awaited Green New Deal. The resolution, as Reason's Ron Bailey reported earlier today, cites climate change concerns as justification for a plan that would remake the U.S. economy over the next 10 years.

The resolution's aims include "overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and 19 greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible." According to an overview of the resolution, this will be accomplished, in part, by "build[ing] out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary."

In other words, the Green New Deal wants to make commercial air travel obsolete. Is this in any way feasible? The short answer is no. "It's actually probably even dumber than it seems," says Baruch Feigenbaum, assistant director of transportation policy at the Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes this website.

Paul Blair, director of strategic initiatives at Americans for Tax Reform, was even blunter. "The Green New Deal reads like word vomit from a 13-year-old child asked to scribble out their bold new thoughts for a radically different America than we have today," Blair said in a email to Reason. "This includes the phasing out of American air travel."

From both a financial and practical standpoint, replacing planes with high-speed rail lines makes little sense. For one thing, "high-speed rail projects cost billions and billions," Feigenbaum says. Consider the proposed Texas line between Dallas and Houston, which could cost as much as $20 billion. Both cities, notably, are in the same state, separated by less than 300 miles. Replacing air travel with high-speed rail would mean lines connecting every major city in the country, at least. "The amount of money you'd actually need to build these lines would be so far in the trillions, I don't see how you would possibly get it done," Feigenbaum says.

Ocasio-Cortez, though, doesn't seem to care about the Green New Deal's fiscal cost. She told Business Insider last month that Modern Monetary Theory—which says the government can essentially print and spend as much money as it wants, regardless of budget deficits or national debt—should "absolutely" be "a larger part of our conversation" about paying for her plan.

Putting this dubious reasoning to the side, her goal of eliminating air travel still makes no sense. "The reason why people take air travel is generally because it's fast," Feigenbaum says, explaining that there are very few corridors where rail travel could realistically compete with planes. "If you're going across the country," he adds, then "obviously high-speed rail is not going to be compatible with air travel."

And it certainly wouldn't be too effective if you wanted to travel to, say, Hawaii. A high-speed rail between the West Coast and Hawaii would require underground tunneling, which would itself cost an astronomical amount. "I can't think of a number that's high enough," Feigenbaum says. "You're talking about more than trillions, I think, in order to build a line."

Sen. Mazie Hirono (D–Hawaii) seems to realize the impracticality of ending air travel. "That would be pretty hard for Hawaii," she said of Ocasio-Cortez's plan, according to Fox News' Chad Pergram.

There's another issue. Truly replacing air travel with high-speed rail lines would require connecting all the countless cities in the U.S. that, while they wouldn't be classified as major, still have airports. Feigenbaum pointed to Casper, Wyoming, and Provo, Utah. Both have populations under 500,000. "Are we really going to build high-speed rail to places like [these]?" wonders Feigenbaum.

In fact, there are more than 5,000 public airports in the U.S. It's hard to imagine the planning and money that would go into connecting even half of them with high-speed rail lines, or serving the hundreds of millions of people who fly in the U.S. each year. "To suggest that it's even remotely possible to transition our transportation system in this way, to handle not only the capacity of air travel but get near its efficiency is a pipe dream," says Blair.

Considering that California officials have proven themselves incompetent when it comes to constructing a high-speed line through that state, a similar project on a much larger scale would probably be disastrous. The California rail is "a waste of money" that's "ruining farms and highways, and will never work," Blair explains.

"That's what Democrats want to take national," he adds, "the abysmal failure of boondoggles that shackle taxpayers to the pipe dreams of socialists with no concern for its failures right here in America."

Ocasio-Cortez has admitted that completely eliminating air travel within the next 10 years might not be possible.

Still, Feigenbaum suggests Ocasio-Cortez and her allies in Congress have shown their ignorance in this area. "The folks who are proposing [the Green New Deal] don't really know much about transportation," he says. "It's more designed for political purposes than it is for actual implementation."

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423 responses to “Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal Aims to Eliminate Air Travel

  1. We don’t need to talk to people with PhDs who are experts in transportation policy to know if this is feasible. Just ask any three year old on the street. Jesus Cortez has advanced to a place in civil society light years beyond what her intellectual capacity warrants.

    But hey, party of science! Environmentalism is science!

    1. Hey Maduro, you took a decade to collapse Venezuela. America, hold my beer. – AOC

      1. Effing Idiot Commie Watermelon.
        “The Green New Deal reads like word vomit from a 13-year-old child asked to scribble out their bold new thoughts for a radically different America than we have today,”

        1. The green new deal is what passes for a doctoral thesis in reverands preferred elite institutions.

          1. I’ll bet she makes a mean tequila sunrise.

            1. You mean her erstwhile colleagues would make a mean tequila sunrise while she shirked because she had to do some arguing with capitalist pigdog strawmen on facetwit.

      2. Effing Idiot Commie Watermelon.
        “The Green New Deal reads like word vomit from a 13-year-old child asked to scribble out their bold new thoughts for a radically different America than we have today,”

      3. Effing Idiot Commie Watermelon.
        “The Green New Deal reads like word vomit from a 13-year-old child asked to scribble out their bold new thoughts for a radically different America than we have today,”

      4. Chavez AND Maduro took 20 years; give credit where it is due. The bus driver is not incompetent enough to do all the damage in only ten years.

        The Dems have finally found someone who can out crazy Donnie. Quite a feat.

        1. Except Trump is totally sane. Look at his platform on paper. It isn’t even that remarkable.

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  2. Ocasio-Cortez has admitted that completely eliminating air travel within the next 10 years might not be possible.

    But fifteen, maybe eighteen years, totes doable.

    1. Hey, man, no one needs to go to Hawaii. If you want to go to Hawaii go on a sailboat.

      Wind Power!

      1. That is a key feature of this proposal. The government would decide whether you really NEED to travel anywhere, and would not give you permission if, in its infinite wisdom, some bureaucrat decided that it was frivolous, duplicative, environmentally unwise, or a threat to national security (everything you might want will become a potential threat to national security).

        Welcome to a clear, open statement of the planned progressive future.

        1. I.G.Y. Fagen.

      2. Don’t worry. We’ll just build a bridge………a really, really yuge one.

    2. Why try to change things when the world will end in 12 years anyway?

      1. The question that must be asked.

    3. how about eliminating air heads?

  3. AOC is wearing a really fetching commissar outfit.

    1. Am I the only one looking at that photo and thinking “blowbang & bulkake”?

      1. I’m thinking: “How ’bout a couple of beers over here, barmaid!”

    2. Don’t turn around, oh
      Der Kommissar’s in town, oh
      You’re in his eye and you’ll know why
      The more you live, the faster you will die

      Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?

  4. “It’s actually probably even dumber than it seems,” says Baruch Feigenbaum, assistant director of transportation policy at the Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes this website.

    Who is this Feigenbaum fellow and how much more would we have to donate to get him to write?

    1. If he can articulate the reasons that this proposal could possibly be dumber than it seems, he obviously is extraordinarily insightful.

    2. Feigenbaum’s “probably even dumber” sounds a lot like Robby’s “To be sure”.

    3. He doesn’t wear a Fonzi jacket and obsess about “both sides”, no dice

  5. So she is targeting the key demographic of people who bought a house too close to the airport

    1. Just think of how many people will lose their airport jobs.

    2. Doesn’t really matter, those house have to be torn down and rebuilt anyway

      1. Yes, but it appears the government will pay for it so that’s a win!

  6. Whatever. Another whack job. Why waste on time these people?

    1. Because many of the top (D) candidates for the nomination are backing the #GND.

    2. I want this. 5 articles a day, straight into my veins

      Pump these leftist morons full of the epitome of stupid that represents them. I’ll be here for the outrage

  7. Hawaii was dead to me when they dared allow the recreation of Thomas Magnum.

    1. Yeah, that’s going to work.

    2. I didn’t even believe you, then I looked it up. The real crime is they cast an effete hispanic pretty boy to play Magnum. That’s like casting Kevin Spacey as the Marlboro Man.

      1. This is so silly that it doesn’t bother me at all.

        1. NO ONE INVOLVED WITH THE SHOW SHOULD GET TO SEE ANOTHER SUNRISE!!!!!

            1. Heck, my mom loved the show.

              1. It was beefcake city solving mysteries in paradise – what’s not to love?

            2. I don’t understand any of this.

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          1. Dude, some politically ambitious state attorney general is going to subpoena for your identifying info if you keep talking like that!

      2. you should probably hear from one of us – the MacGuyver reboot airs right before Magnum

        1. There was a MacGyver reboot?

          [looks it up]

          [punches monitor]

          1. Still no air wolf reboot.

            1. I can’t wait for The White Shadow to be recast with a black coach.

              1. Quantum leap with SJWs fixing history?

                1. Already happened. It was called Doctor Who’s 11th Season.

                  1. I skipped last season. Thinking it should stay skipped if true.

                    1. Leftism aside, horribly written and acted.

                    2. The stories were unremarkable, and had no great villains. No real long term story arc, and very little character development. Although The Doctor is now stunning and brave.

                      Although the cinematography changes were largely a plus.

              2. Quantum leap with SJWs fixing history?

              3. Quantum leap with SJWs fixing history?

              4. Quantum leap with SJWs fixing history?

                1. The squirrels really liked that one.

                  1. But time travelers inexplicably neglected to fix it.

      3. Hot Higgins is intriguing.

    3. And it’s as charmless and bad as you’d expect.

  8. The socialists are dropping any pretense of loving America, whether it be Barry wanting to “fundamentally remake the US”, Bernie’s “Medicare for all”, or Occasional-Cortex and her “green new deal” (as if the original “new deal” wasn’t enough of a disaster). Each one of them wants to change the country to such a degree that it would be unrecognizable except as a place on a map.

    1. That’s a good point. Only a proggie could love the original New Deal. For everyone else the name alone should be a deal breaker.

  9. “by “build[ing] out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.””

    Stops becoming? So air travel isn’t necessary yet, it’s only becoming? ESL much?

  10. so disappointed with her. She could have articulated details, acknowledged reality, etc, but instead she’s turning about to be a younger, more attractive version of Bernie. We probably should fight climate change, but it’s gonna be tough if advocates can’t even articulate details or quantify specifics. shame on her.

    1. she’s turning about to be a younger, more attractive version of Bernie.

      Which means she is going to have an incredible amount of influence for quite awhile.

      1. Call me when she gets kicked out of a commune was talking too much about communism.

      2. flatulence would be more apt…

      3. But when she is Bernie’s age I wouldn’t bet on her being more attractive than Bernie is now — she’s not a beauty so her starting point isn’t all that advantageous. Bernie wasn’t particularly bad looking and even now, if he’d make an appointment with a barber and would relax and stop screwing his face up and turning red and waving his arms around like someone who grabbed a high voltage line, he would look pretty average.

        Take a look at Bernie at 50 years old and imagine that he had a decent haircut or at 18 years old. Sort of “average” the two pictures to try to imagine what he looked at when he was AOC’s age. I’d say that AOC doesn’t necessarily start out with an advantage in this race.

        1. Put down the tissues and lotion and step away from the Bernie scrapbook.

    2. but instead she’s turning about to be a younger, more attractive version of Bernie.

      Go Crazy Early!

    3. You don’t gain power and prestige among Progressive by articulating details or acknowledging reality. You get it by being an Underpants Gnome Planner.

      Let’s call these people “UGP’s” from now on.

      1. or just underpants gnomes

        1. skid marks included?

      2. First. We take facts and reality because they add overbearing restrictions on possibilities. Then we get communism. An idea actually stupider than intelligent design. At least intelligent design relies on an infallible and supreme being instead of humans.

    4. “so disappointed with her”

      Really? She’s doing more good things than I ever expected her to do. She is, nearly single handedly, exposing the retardation that forms the base of the democrat party and making clear why we live in a constitutional republic with limited suffrage rather than a democracy. The 19th amendment was America’s biggest mistake (in fact, amendments 15-19 are all universally bad) and AOC makes one of the strongest cases as to why.

    5. She could have articulated details, acknowledged reality, etc,

      You’re kidding, right? She’s a moron.

      -jcr

  11. The bright star of the Democratic Party is going to turn into the black hole of government spending if we continue to pay attention to her.

    1. Race fluidity. I like it.

    2. didn’t you mean the dim bulb?

    3. More likely, if the adults in the room can’t shut her up and keep those who share her ideas off the primary debate stage, the Democrats will suffer horribly due to internal fragmentation and voters attaching her beliefs (which, of course, an alarming number of Democrat politicians share but weren’t forced to take a side until now) to all Democratic candidates.

      This could even result in another four years of Trump (or Pence if Trump is booted or gets tired of whatever it is he does every day now).

      I just wish she were old enough to run for President in 2020 — that would be so amusing to watch and I’ve bought a very large bag of pop-corn to pop over the next 18 months so I’m well prepared.

  12. You call her a radical? A real radical environmentalist would be calling for the end of all air travel (except for congresscritters and their family and friends, government contractors, businessmen who can prove they’ve paid 70% of their income in taxes, and registered Democrats.) Want to take the family to DisneyWorld? Go take a literal hike.

    1. You call her a radical? A real radical environmentalist would be calling for the end of all air travel

      That’s exactly what her plan does.

    2. “You call her a radical? A real radical environmentalist would be calling for the end of all air travel (except for congresscritters and their family and friends, government contractors, businessmen who can prove they’ve paid 70% of their income in taxes, and registered Democrats.)”
      Didn’t read it, huh. She does exactly that.

      Also no more meat… well, maybe soylent or long pork, but beef will be banned outright for the plebians.

      1. She is calling for elimination of cows, because farts, so not too far off.

  13. I didn’t think Ayn Rand could be any more prescient, now it turns out we really are going to have the railroad as the main form of long distance transportation in the US. Wh[ere] is John Galt?!

      1. The guy thought Acapulco was a safe place. Not all libertarians have common sense.

    1. Ayn Rand fled the Soviet Union (probably one step ahead of the Gulag). Don’t give her too much credit for predicting the future; she was only fictionalizing what she’d lived through.

      1. Wish more people paid attention to We the Living instead of Atlas.

        1. And Anthem.

          1. Agreed. Would stop the idiotic “objectivism is solely about greed” ignorance.

            1. And ruin the narrative? Can’t have that.

    2. Good joke
      *inserts usual diatribe about Ayn Rand’s horrible redundancy. Claims at least 40% of any Ayn Rand book could be, and should have been, edited out. *

  14. Eliminating air travel?
    What a great idea Ms. AOC has!
    I can’t wait to take a train from New York to London sometime.

    1. Well, there are ships. You know, that sail.

      1. And under AOC’s plan, they will have sails.

        1. I wouldn’t bet on that. It could prove to be a hazard to some, endangered bird, or something.

          1. Wind power is the green War on Birds

        2. Are slave-rowers “green”?

          1. Historically, the democrats made slave rowers black.

            1. So tolerant, such diversity.

              1. T was an early jobs program.

        3. Well, they could be nuclear powered or powered by biofuels (although in the FAQ, it indicates that nuclear plants will be eliminated but maybe not all by 2020 – but I assume she is talking about fixed nuclear power plants).

          1. What about the military’s nuclear powered vessels?

    2. Don’t forget to pack an extra long snorkel. Not a plastic one though.

      1. Reusable bamboo snorkel?

        1. Whiffle.

  15. Occasional is perhaps optimistic.

    Unoccasional-Cortex?

    Blocasio-Cortex?

    O!kaaaay-Cortex?

    1. Occluded-Coitis?

      1. Alexandria Oyster Cult

        1. Alexandria Oyster Cult

          Best take yet!

          1. Give her a couple of months in congress, and she’ll look like a Veteran of the Psychic Wars.

            1. Or Godzilla.

              1. But for the time being, she still makes my Cultosaurus Erectus.

                1. Yuck. You into the RBG/Alien look, huh?

                  1. And she could call her transportation plan “Hot Rails To Hell”

            2. She’ll be as Beautiful as a Foot.

      2. Of her parents? We’d miss all this comedy gold!

      3. Ewww – thanks for putting that image in my head 🙁

  16. I’m surprised Reason hasn’t posted one article on the entire Green New deal. It’s a doozy:

    Details of the New Green Deal:

    Rebuild every single building in the U.S.

    “Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

    Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.

    The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

    Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.

    “It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”

    Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!

    “Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

    Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!

    “We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”

    Mandates all new jobs be unionized.

    “Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”

    May include a carbon tax.

    “We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal.”

    May include cap and trade.

    “?Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan.”

    1. My apologies for spamming this across two different articles, but I wanted the commentors to get a gist of how big the Green New Deal plan is.

      1. Wow. Just…wow.

        My worry is the GND is like Hillarycare. Something to sneak a foot in the door, normalize the lunacy. 10, 20 years down the road it’ll be time to pass the actual GND so we can see what’s in.

        Also: Reason shouldn’t be publishing articles debating the true cost of the GND. That’s like debating the true cost of mandating frontal lobotomies for all citizens.

        1. This is the only rational reason for putting it out. On it’s merits it’s DOA and therefore will never be implemented. As a package of ideas to run on for other democratic socialists it is perfect. Future campaigns will not have the burden of detailing policy initiatives, they can just say “GND!” and be done.

          1. “Backwards-thinking, intransigent Republicans have been blocking our much-needed Green New Deal for more than a decade! Why do Republicans hate the planet?”

      2. There’s more:

        -Healthy food in abundance from small family farms, no corporations (Perhaps this means some kind of land reform act, similar to Castro?)
        -Public Access to nature (Seizing beachfront property and lakefront/mountain property nationwide?)

        Anyway, AOC is no Bernie (who looks like he has been constipated for the past 50 years), she is Charles Manson as a chick. A frustrated bartender and a brainless nobody who read “How to win friends and influence people”, Pelosi needs to slap her down if she wants the party to continue to exist.

        1. Holy shit. If they ever tried to implement this thing it would literally lead to mass death. This is Great Leap Forward level stuff

          1. Exactly! Apparently, Ocasio-Cortez wasn’t satisfied with 100 million deaths caused by communism (real socialism, not the fascist version that she’s advocating). She believes that she can do better. Maybe 200 million deaths.

            The problem isn’t the ravings of a former bartender, the problem is that no one wants to state that she’s pushing for a mass extinction event. If I hear one more Republican say “This is impractical” instead of “This is the consummate evil of our time” I will vote for the Green New Deal just to see those idiot Republicans die screaming in an American gulag.

        2. Maybe she’s impressed by the great works achieved by the Khmer Rouge with their agricultural reform. Killing off 25% or more of the US population would probably reduce the carbon footprint.

        3. This is an expanded and updated version of the five-year plan.

          It consequences can be potentially horrific.

          And something tells me this dangerous tart doesn’t know or care.

        4. -Healthy food in abundance from small family farms, no corporations (Perhaps this means some kind of land reform act, similar to Castro?)

          This is scarily reminiscent of agricultural planning in the Soviet Union, China and Cambodia, and the resulting famines and mass murders.

      3. That Reason hasn’t utterly undressed this monstrosity for what it is makes me profoundly sad.

    2. The fact her plan is against nuclear tells you everything you need to know about the seriousness of her positions.

      1. Exactly. Anyone who doesn’t propose nuclear as the primary solution to global warming doesn’t really care about global warming.

    3. “Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!”

      This is actually the correct approach. CCS is pure, unadulterated bullshit. There’s only 400 ppm of CO2 in the air. Engineering a chemical/mechanical system to separate it out is ridiculously complex and costly. Trees are free, and effective.

    4. If this were implemented the cost could be in the billions. Maybe more. But it is ambitious and totally workable. And of course, freedom of speech would have to be …. what’s the word? Managed? Organized? Controlled? Eliminated? Yes, that’s it: eliminated. So yeah, the constitution would have to be thrown out but imagine America without that old thing and being replaced by the GND and a few important people to decide on stuff.

      Wow, the future looks bright.

  17. Wow, she seems to be getting crazier by the day.

    Has she found a place to live in DC yet or what? Maybe the problem is that she’s sleeping under a bridge inhaling diesel fumes all night, and it has exacerbated the brain damage.

    1. Tell her it’s not the DIESEL-electric fumes but the electromagnetic waves from all the diesel-ELECTRIC trains and watch her head spin. Hell, put some coils around her head and you could power the entire country.

      1. ” Hell, put some coils around her head and you could power the entire country.” Zero Emissions!

      2. There is totally a subset of her constituency that would protest maglev trains on those grounds.

    2. she’s already into full blown lunacy, just letting us all peak under the tent a bit more each day…

  18. Futurama tubes. One day closer thanks AOC!

  19. She inspired me to up my jammies game.

    1. What about your tucking game?

        1. I French tuck cause I’m a stylish freak.

  20. She is another Bill McKibben!!!

    Bill McKibben is an un-reformed, 200-proof, human-hating asshole!

    “At its extreme, green ideology expresses itself in utter contempt for humanity. Reviewing Bill McKibben’s The End of Nature in the Los Angeles Times, National Park Service research biologist David M. Graber concluded with this stunning passage: ‘Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. I know social scientists who remind me that people are part of nature, but it isn’t true. Somewhere along the line?at about a billion years ago, maybe half that?we quit the contract and became a cancer. We have become a plague upon ourselves and upon the Earth. It is cosmically unlikely that the developed world will choose to end its orgy of fossil-energy consumption, and the Third World its suicidal consumption of landscape. Until such time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.’

    1. “It is hard to take such notions seriously without sounding like a bit of a kook yourself. But there they are?calmly expressed in the pages of a major, mainstream, Establishment newspaper by an employee of the federal government. When it is acceptable to say such things in polite intellectual company, when feel-good environmentalists tolerate the totalitarians in their midst, when sophisticates greet the likes of Graber with indulgent nods and smiles rather than arguments and outrage, we are one step further down another bloody road to someone’s imagined Eden. All the greens need is an opportunity and a Lenin.”

      From “Free Minds & Free Markets”, Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy, 1993, which is a compilation of 25 years of articles from Reason magazine, this one being “The Green Road to Serfdom”, April 1990, by Virginia I. Postrel.

      1. Postrel still has more balls than the entire current Reason staff combined.

    2. Christ, what a colossal asshole.

  21. Actually, this looks like a great opportunity for the Donald. Give them a taste of exactly what they want.

    He should start by discontinuing all air travel for any government funded research and academic program. Taking funds from NSF ? So sorry, you won’t be flying to your next meet and greet. You have all sorts of cool video conferencing technologies. Time to be “green” and actually use them. Maybe treat your climate predictions as if you actually believe them ?

    He could then insist that the usual congressional idiots live up to their own ideals. Give all members of congress Amtrak tickets and they can lead by example. When none of them comply and all them come up the reasons why they should be exempt from what they are imposing on others, the Presidential tweets just write themselves.

    1. Can you imagine being on a train with Schumer and his sweaty moobs?

      1. ….with that glare and stare of his…./Lionel Hutz shudder.

  22. Somewhere along the line?at about a billion years ago, maybe half that?we quit the contract and became a cancer.

    What the fuck? So this guy’s saying anything with a vertebrata is a cancer on the planet? He’s not a human-hating asshole, he apparently hates a large chunk of the animal kingdom.

    The stupidity, it burns. The googles, they don’t help.

    1. I once listened to a biologist tell me that humans were bad because we consumed too much energy. Herbivores, in contrast subsist on much less energy, since they only require the energy to create the plant food. So I suggested that if he was correct, we should get rid of all the carnivores as well. He was not amused.

  23. Somewhere along the line?at about a billion years ago, maybe half that?we quit the contract and became a cancer.

    What the fuck? So this guy’s saying anything with a vertebrata is a cancer on the planet? He’s not a human-hating asshole, he apparently hates a large chunk of the animal kingdom.

    The stupidity, it burns. The googles, they don’t help.

    1. The squirrels were offended enough to double my post 🙂

      1. Well, they are vertebrates…

    2. “at about a billion years ago… we quit the contract and became a cancer”
      Wow, even plants aren’t safe from this guy’s rage. This guy hates all multicellular life forms.
      Plankton? CANCER!
      Spruce trees? CANCER!
      Velvet worms? CANCER!
      Slime mold? CANCER!

      Why are so many “environmentalists” so frightfully ignorant about nature?

  24. I hear Venezuela is doing wonderful things reducing auto and air travel.

  25. Holy fuck. I knew she was dumb, but she’s actually retarded.

    Wait, no. Retarded people wouldn’t come up with this shit. This is leftard magical thinking at its finest. Central planning is magical thinking. There are too many variables.

    I’d actually love to see customer-oriented, slicker-than-shit highspeed rail actually exist, too. It would be a fun way to travel. But not as a dictat from a loon like AOC.

    1. Indeed. We should dispense with central planning in transportation entirely. Let’s start by ending all infrastructure funding by federal and state governments. No reason markets shouldn’t be trusted to determine where roads should go, and at what price.

      1. SimonPenis,

        How does what you said have anything to do with what I said?

        Centrally planning a process change of that magnitude would never work. It would end up funneling billions of dollars to politically connected cronies. It’s too big a project. Maybe it would work for, say, Luxemborg. But here? No.

        1. why do you hate Luxemborg?

            1. Luxembourg sounds like a kind of cheese I would spread on a bagel or expensive cracker of some kind.

        2. How does what you said have anything to do with what I said?

          Because we already have nation-spanning, centrally planned transportation networks. They’re called highways and air routes.

    2. It’s so unrealistic unicorns rejected it.

  26. She told Business Insider last month that Modern Monetary Theory?which says the government can essentially print and spend as much money as it wants, regardless of budget deficits or national debt?should “absolutely” be “a larger part of our conversation” about paying for her plan.

    Putting this dubious reasoning to the side…

    Um, no. Let’s not put this aside. I just looked up Modern Monetary Theory and I think we ignore it at our peril. Basically, the theory is that the government print and spend whatever it wants, and then uses taxes- not to generate revenue but to pull money out of the economy in order to limit inflation.

    What. The. Fuck.

    This is so stupid that I am super concerned. I can just see HuffPost and all those liberal rags jumping on this band wagon and promoting it until it is a serious policy proposal. It has everything attractive about it that Medicare for All has. It lets people handwave away the COSTS of shit and instead focus on that sweet sweet government spending.

    I’m sure it doesn’t need to be said, but while the theory is at least consistent, the idea that you could ever get a president/congress to spend away and then raise taxes to check inflation is fucking ridiculous. All it takes is one populist president to say “Fuck you, no new taxes” and you have tipped over into Venezuela land. If Libertarians and, er, realists are smart, they will get out in front of this train before it leaves the station.

    1. Needs more 1 trillion dollar coins.

    2. It’s not even consistent. It’s dangerous and obviously so is this plan of hers.

      I’m a sane world anyone who subscribed to MMT would never be elected to office

    3. What if instead of the complicated and politically fraught process of raising taxes, we simply had an organization that could control money supply and interest rates to the same ends? Oh, that’s what a central bank does, and we have one already. No point in being afraid. You’re already in hell.

      1. The Fed does control the money supply and short-term interest rates but they do not control long term rates. If this sillyness were to ensue long term rates would sky rocket and the economy would collapse

      2. MMT goes well beyond the Fed’s normal attempts to control the money supply. It confuses money and wealth and would lead to hyperinflation and utter devastation of the US and world economy if attempt on the scale proposed here. This plan of hers would cause a depression greater than the Great one, would violate basic human rights, and would lead to enormous human suffering, maybe even famine, if a serious and forceful attempt were made to implement it (note that it would never actually succeed).

    4. This is a new thing?

      There are multiple commenters here who have been saying pretty much the same thing for at least the last couple years.

      Not that that means any of it is correct, just to note that they are already on that bandwagon, they just haven’t expressly told you so.

      1. Definitely not new. It’s how the Italians got Mussolini.

  27. OT, but nowhere better to put it:

    Sullum will be interested to know that a detective on the Houston Police department’s raid that went awry in east Houston, resulting in the deaths of the homeowners and four cops getting shot, has been relieved of duty pending an internal affairs investigation.

    Further scuttlebutt is that the detective was involved with obtaining the warrant, not merely executing the search warrant, and that Acevedo wants to have interviewed further, the CI whose affidavit was used to obtain said search warrant.

    I wonder if HPD dry-lab’d the affidavit used to demonstrate PC for the search warrant?

    1. Got a link?

      1. It’s on the front page at either khou.com or ktrk.com. Probably chron.com too. I’d hotlink, but damned character limit.

        LOL at this BB software.

    2. Sounds like felony murder to me.

  28. OT, but nowhere better to put it:

    Sullum will be interested to know that a detective on the Houston Police department’s raid that went awry in east Houston, resulting in the deaths of the homeowners and four cops getting shot, has been relieved of duty pending an internal affairs investigation.

    Further scuttlebutt is that the detective was involved with obtaining the warrant, not merely executing the search warrant, and that Acevedo wants to have interviewed further, the CI whose affidavit was used to obtain said search warrant.

    I wonder if HPD dry-lab’d the affidavit used to demonstrate PC for the search warrant?

    1. Squirrels love that horse.

      FTA at KHOU.com: “It is unclear what role the officer played in the raid, but three law enforcement sources say this officer is listed on the warrant. However, he did not write the warrant and is not the case agent who led the raid.

      According to three law enforcement sources, one focus of the investigation is about the validity of a purported controlled buy of suspected heroin in the 7800 block of Harding Street in southeast Houston. In a search warrant affidavit, the case agent wrote that a confidential informant purchased a brown powder substance known as “boy,” the street term for heroin, on Jan. 27.

      The following day, police executed that warrant and engaged in a shootout with Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas.
      Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo later said no heroin was recovered from the residence, but small amounts of marijuana and cocaine were found inside the home.” (Continued)

      1. “Acevedo has ordered detectives to interview those confidential informants to determine if their story checks out with the information listed on the warrant, according to a high-ranking law enforcement source who did not want to be named because of the ongoing investigation.

        Reached by phone, Acevedo would not comment on specifics of the internal probe, but continued to pledge transparency and commitment to finding the truth.

        “We are not going to leave any stone unturned to get to the good, the bad and the ugly,” Acevedo said. “And when the investigation is completed, we will report back to the community our findings.”

        Contrary to rumors spread on social media, both the chief and the police union maintain that investigators executed the warrant at the correct house and that the location was not chosen at random. They cite a 911 call made Jan. 8 from an anonymous woman who claimed her daughter was doing drugs inside the home with a large number of weapons inside.

        The case agent on the warrant remains hospitalized with a gunshot wound to the face and is unable to speak.
        “Until we speak to the case agent, I think it would be impossible for anyone to draw any conclusions about another officer being relieved of duty,” Gamaldi said.”

        1. OTOH, enough ballistics/officer testimony may have come back that this is one of the officers who definitively shot either Tuttle or Nicholas, and this is just the standard administrative suspension that’s expected in an OIS.

        2. Thanks for the update

    2. dry-lab’d the affidavit

      What does that mean?

      1. It’s slang from academic chemistry or engineering lab courses. To “dry lab” something means to write results in your lab notebook that resemble results that you’d have gotten if you actually did the work, but not actually run the experiment. Think, completely “making it up.”

        Then again, the affidavit did get the description of the male homeowner correct, before they kicked in his door and knew that’s what he looked like. On the gripping hand, the CI confused a 9mm semiautomatic with a 357 magnum, which I can’t see how even a layperson could do.

    3. Uh, there IS a better place to put it, the story on this website about that incident

      1. No one would see it there.

  29. I recall reading somewhere that the US has more paved runway than the rest of the world combined. So yes, transcontinental rail travel sounds like an idea whose time has come. About 150 years ago.

  30. Replacing air travel with high-speed rail would mean lines connecting every major city in the country, at least. “The amount of money you’d actually need to build these lines would be so far in the trillions, I don’t see how you would possibly get it done,” Feigenbaum says.

    REARDEN METAL, of course.

    1. +100

  31. Reason-contributor and noted douchebag Will Wilkinson is excited by policy opportunities in the Green New Deal

    1. Since you seem to have Sugarfreed the link, we will never know if Will Wilkinson actually agrees with AOC on GND or if this is another case of your lack of reading comprehension skills.

      1. Here

        He likes the GND for a carbon tax which is supposed to redistribute as a sort of GBI

        1. The best thing about the current political environment is that it has outed so many morons.

  32. Come on and hear, come on and hear Alexandria’s Ragtime demand.

  33. So, the gov can just print more money, eh? Can’t wait to start getting the $1,000,000 notes to buy a cup of coffee. Nigeria was not supposed to be an example.

    1. We can just use a handful of these.

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zimbab…..2048078439

    2. Well, see, first you make half the population billionaires, then you strip the wealth from evil billionaires….

  34. AOC has obviously not received a single second of training in economics. She has no ability or desire to examine the unintended consequences of her proposals. What makes her so dangerous is that she is absolutely wedded to her philosophy that she would have no compunction of using whatever means necessary to achieve her ends. The Democratic Party needs to relegate her to the back of the room until her term is up. The scary thing is that there are people who knowingly elected her.

    1. Predictable consequences are never unintended.

      And as I mentioned in an earlier thread, yes, she’s a true believer – the ends justify the means, and no evil is too great if it achieves her goal.

    2. 110,318 of them. I looked it up cause I was going to comment on how 110,318 people thought she was qualified for the job. It’s crazy

    3. She has a degree in economics.

      1. And from a better school than most of these idiots could ever hope to attend, too.

        1. And from a better school than most of these idiots could ever hope to attend, too.

          And yet, for all that, she still has bigger tits than brains.

          Born in Brooklyn. Went to a mediocre private Christian college in bumfuck Pennsylvania, and has been a full grown-up for all of two years.

          Yeah, it has to be embarrassing to see someone from a private Christian college in bumfuck Pennsylvania demonstrate a better understanding of math and thermodynamics than Highly Educated Horseface Lopez.

          1. Yeah, it has to be embarrassing to see someone from a private Christian college in bumfuck Pennsylvania demonstrate a better understanding of math and thermodynamics than Highly Educated Horseface Lopez.

            I have no idea who “Highly Educated Horseface Lopez” is supposed to be. And no, Joe doesn’t seem to be capable of reading, much less “math” or “thermodynamics” (not sure what that has to do with the NGD proposal, either).

            1. Seems to be a lot better at it than you, shitlib.

              1. Seems to be a lot better at it than you, shitlib.

                Since I understand the difference between a House Resolution and a series of talking points, whereas Joe either does not or does not care to dwell on the distinction, I think this is quite obviously false.

                1. Since I understand the difference between a House Resolution and a series of talking points

                  That you had to dishonestly frame the proposal this way is quite telling.

      2. I mean, par exemple,

        Originally from Brooklyn, New York, Joe graduated from Grove City College in 2017. It was at college where he realized journalism was his passion, and he’s pursued it ever since.

        Born in Brooklyn. Went to a mediocre private Christian college in bumfuck Pennsylvania, and has been a full grown-up for all of two years.

        That’s where Reason is getting its “talent.”

      3. “She has a degree in economics.”

        And yet still there’s no sign she has any training in economics. Or even actually paid attention in any serious class.

        1. She was too busy making dance videos.

    4. A gift from 15 000 people in NY.

      AOC says people are ‘scared of us!’

      Damn straight we are.

      You’re scary as hell you lunatic.

      1. Mixology.

        I always get economic advice from a bartender.

    5. “The Democratic Party needs to relegate her to the back of the room until her term is up.”

      Because nothing says ‘democratic’ quite like a top down authoritarian organization.

    6. Our senator is holding a public meeting at his local office to discuss the NGD. He is an enthusiastic supporter.

      This got posted on our local Nextdoor. One member called it out as socialism/communism.

      That resulted in an explosive response from literally a hundred or so people. It got so out of control, I deleted my Nextdoor account. And, I was a lead.

      We can laugh all we want at AOC and her stupidity. But there are literally millions out there that think like her and are willing and able to support this crap.

      We’re fucked folks. It’s that bad!

  35. Great story! You sure showed that strawman!

    There’s a real irony in accusing AOC of amateurism when this site reads so often like a weblog maintained by high school students.

    1. Simple Simon

      1. Read the actual resolution, chump.

        1. SimonP|2.7.19 @ 8:05PM|#
          “Read the actual resolution, chump.”

          Fuck off, scumbag.

          1. Okey-dokey, buddy.

        2. I did simpleton. Which words did you struggle with? Even Hirono understood it and she’s a simpleton as well.

          1. I suppose I can’t make you drink.

            1. I suppose I can’t make you drink.

              “Look at AOC’s fabulous new clothes!”

              1. I’m not here to defend AOC. I’m just pointing out Joe’s ineptitude, and the commentariat’s ongoing commitment to total idiocy.

                1. I’m not here to defend AOC. I’m just pointing out Joe’s ineptitude, and the commentariat’s ongoing commitment to total idiocy.

                  “How dare you point out her words!”

                  1. “How dare you point out her words!”

                    This doesn’t seem to be anything anyone’s actually interested in doing here. They just are attributing to “her words” some absurd position that they then spend most of their time mocking.

                    1. They just are attributing to “her words” some absurd position that they then spend most of their time mocking.

                      Yeah, what she wrote was retarded enough.

    2. Man, you really told us, didn’t you?

      1. Try reading the resolution, chump. It’s short.

        Here’s what Joe did: The “overview” of discussion points relating to the resolution included a broad claim that was easier to lampoon than the actual language of the resolution itself, which makes no mention of replacing air travel with high speed rail. So he conflated the “overview” for the actual resolution’s text, and then cited a bunch of commenters who riffed on an absurd take of the overview as though they were commenting on the “Green New Deal” directly.

        To call him a juvenile amateur would be to compliment him. Because otherwise, he’d just be intentionally misleading you lot.

        1. So, in the best case you’re arguing that the overview contradicts, or at the least, doesn’t support the text.

          That being said, in section 2.H they discuss overhauling the transportation system by pushing concepts such as high speed rail. They use a weasel phrase “as is technologically feasible” but supported by the language in the overview it’s not in bad faith to take them at their word that they view complete replacement as technologically feasible.

          1. It is absolutely bad faith to attribute that view to them, because it’s facially absurd.

            You’re basically saying, “Yeah, so the resolution doesn’t say the ridiculous thing I want to attribute to them, but I’ll just attribute it to them anyway.”

            1. Except the author of the resolution believes the resolution empowers trying to implement the ridiculous thing.

              1. Again, you’ll just believe what you want, regardless of the facts.

                First, the resolution is just a statement of principles. It doesn’t empower anyone to do anything. It just says, here are our priorities.

                The overview is a more informal document, a series of talking points. Does it show that they think that some air travel could be substituted by high-speed rail? I think that’s probably the case, and it’s true. Does the overview paint an overly-optimistic picture of how extensively that could be done? Probably so.

                But you see that overly-optimistic attitude stripped away in the HR-drafting process. There’s no firm commitment to any level of high-speed rail in there. It’s just listed as one of the means by which the resolution’s broader goals may be achieved – which makes sense.

                No one – including AOC – thinks building high speed rail tunnels to Hawaii makes any fucking sense. Yet Joe devotes a paragraph to chortling about that very possibility. And I think that AOC would absolutely agree that connecting places like, say, Grove City, PA, to Pittsburgh or Philadelphia via high-speed rail would do more environmental and economic harm than good.

                1. First, the resolution is just a statement of principles. It doesn’t empower anyone to do anything. It just says, here are our priorities.

                  Bullshit. She flat-out stated that she wants a WW2-scale, 10-year plan to get all this done. It’s not a “statement of principles” or any other bullshit you’re trying to sling here.

                  No one – including AOC – thinks building high speed rail tunnels to Hawaii makes any fucking sense. Yet Joe devotes a paragraph to chortling about that very possibility.

                  It’s about as realistic as ending all air travel in 10 years.

                  And I think that AOC would absolutely agree that connecting places like, say, Grove City, PA, to Pittsburgh or Philadelphia via high-speed rail would do more environmental and economic harm than good.

                  For all the mocking that proglydytes like to do about conservatives looking at the past, it’s telling that you fuckos can’t come up with a transportation or power network that’s evolved past 1950.

                  1. Bullshit. She flat-out stated that she wants a WW2-scale, 10-year plan to get all this done. It’s not a “statement of principles” or any other bullshit you’re trying to sling here.

                    *shrug* I’m confident in what the resolution actually says. You don’t seem to have read it, or understood it.

                    It’s about as realistic as ending all air travel in 10 years.

                    Which no one has proposed doing, save Joe and AOC’s critics.

                    For all the mocking that proglydytes like to do about conservatives looking at the past, it’s telling that you fuckos can’t come up with a transportation or power network that’s evolved past 1950.

                    I’m really not sure what point you think you’re making here. As it happens, rail transportation has evolved over the past couple of decades, including with respect to high-speed technology, automation, and collision prevention, in ways that automotive and truck transportation has still not done. And then the GND is itself an attempt to deal with global climate change in a clear-eyed way, while conservatives seem to believe that if they keep engaging in denialism, none of climate change’s worst effects will come to pass.

                    1. I’m confident in what the resolution actually says.

                      Which one? The one she initially posted and sent out an FAQ on, and subsequently pulled, or the “revised” version?

                      Which no one has proposed doing, save Joe and AOC’s critics.

                      Wrong.

                      I’m really not sure what point you think you’re making here

                      That’s because you’re a dumbass.

                      As it happens, rail transportation has evolved over the past couple of decades, including with respect to high-speed technology, automation, and collision prevention, in ways that automotive and truck transportation has still not done.

                      Meanwhile, in the real world, Denver’s rail line to the airport can’t even get certified for the very reasons you claim they’ve improved.

                      And then the GND is itself an attempt to deal with global climate change in a clear-eyed way

                      Pie-in-the-sky proposals are hardly “clear-eyed”.

  36. If we can’t afford to build new trains then lets just outlaw travel. that is the true goal

    1. Where her trains are going, you don’t want to travel.

      1. Some aspects of this plan dove-tail perfectly. For instance, we will have a serious shortage of passenger cars, for the high-speed trains. But at the same time, we will no longer need to transport livestock (because there won’t be any). So, for the interim, we could transport people in cattle cars. Also, we don’t need railroads to every major city, we just need fewer major cities. So, the cattle cars could go to just major concentrations of population. i’m trying to come up with a snazzy name for such concentrations. i’m actually pretty optimistic.

  37. These people throw shit around like the proverbial monkeys without any thought about the cost, the potential impact, the second order effects and, most of all, whether their grand schemes would have any positive effect. It’s not about the science of climate, it’s not about the religious fervor of “do you believe?” that it’s all man’s fault, it’s about what sane person believes that govt officials can ‘fix’ climate by policy?

    1. Yeah, where were the people like you, back when we were building out the interstate highway system and all of those airports?

      1. So you think it’s reasonable to ignore costs when deciding on government projects?

      2. You mean the same roads and airports that this dumbass wants to get rid of?

        1. Yes, the same ones you dumbasses are treating as an inevitable and natural part of our landscape, which never cost anything to build, and don’t cost anything to build and maintain, and nevertheless are now essential to our national economy.

          1. LOL

            It’s actually hard not to be smug when your political “opponents” can’t seem to formulate any argument against your position that doesn’t rely extensively on strawmen and insults.

            You were saying?

    2. It is not about climate change, it is the entire progressive wish list to remake society. The environment is merely the excuse. It is to progressivism what the Patriot Act was to intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

      1. EXACTLY.

        Reading though the bill it is apaprent that the goal is to take control of a large part of the economy. Fixing the climate would be a great thing is it happens as a result, but not necessary.

  38. Some snippets from the Fact Sheet put out by AOC’s office:

    ” Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing: ?
    A job with a family-sustaining wage,
    family and medical leave,
    vacations, and retirement security ?
    High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools ?
    Clean air and water and access to nature ?
    Healthy food ?
    High-quality health care ?
    Safe, affordable, adequate housing ?
    Economic environment free of monopolies ?
    Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work ”

    Unwilling to work?

    “We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero.”

    1. Is farting in the actual text?

      1. That was from the fact sheet her office put out.

        Apparently bovine genocide is on the table as well.

        1. Yeah but that’s slated for the 3rd 5 Year plan, so it’s way down the road.

    2. I, for one, did not know that airplanes farted. Learn something every day.

    3. “Economic environment free of monopolies”

      I assume this is in reference to government monopolies and government supported monopolies? Or is it just geared towards, “Evil corporations that we don’t like in part because the CEO is a billionaire.”

    4. Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work

      I’m glad I searched, first. This was the point I was going to bring up.

      Ms. Occasional-Cortex? Your flight with Pinochet Helicopter Tours is ready. Best ocean views in the business.

    5. Trade schools. Get the fuck out of here. The last thing these Truly Exceptional People want is anyone attending a school that might actually be useful to society.

    6. If AOC’s ideas have any influence at all, I’ll be unwilling to work. Of course, I’ll be in a gulag, getting beaten by the guards if I refuse….

  39. Some snippets from the Fact Sheet put out by AOC’s office:

    ” Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing: ?
    A job with a family-sustaining wage,
    family and medical leave,
    vacations, and retirement security ?
    High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools ?
    Clean air and water and access to nature ?
    Healthy food ?
    High-quality health care ?
    Safe, affordable, adequate housing ?
    Economic environment free of monopolies ?
    Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work ”

    Unwilling to work?

    “We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero.”

  40. Maybe we should re-examine the possibility that she’s a performance artist.

  41. How about starting by ending subsidies for air travel. There’s no need to run train lines to the small airports all over the country, because many of them shouldn’t exist at all (see reason blog: trump-budget-ends-subsidies-for-rural-ai). There’s plenty of other subsidies to go after too.

    After that, I’d be happy to charge the airlines a nuisance fee for their noise — and its not just “near the airport”, unless you consider the entire city of Atlanta to be “near the airport”.

    1. “After that, I’d be happy to charge the airlines a nuisance fee for their noise — and its not just “near the airport”, unless you consider the entire city of Atlanta to be “near the airport”.”

      I propose we charge you a nuisance fee for spreading stupidity.

      1. Yeah, the idea that people are entitled to enjoy their property in peace, without the interference of their neighbors, is such a socialist concept. Don’t people understand that free markets require the free appropriation of their property rights by politically-powerful and moneyed interests? Idiots.

        1. Yeah, the idea that people are entitled to enjoy their property in peace, without the interference of their neighbors, is such a socialist concept.

          I’d love to enjoy my property in peace, but left-wing wastes of life keep bugging me.

          1. I’d love to enjoy my property in peace, but left-wing wastes of life keep bugging me.

            Your neighborhood association probably does more to impact the enjoyment of your property than anything “left-wingers” are doing.

            And why, exactly, has it become routine to refer to people you disagree with politically as “wastes of life”? Wouldn’t you object to their describing you the same way? Which way do you think the subsidies flow, exactly?

            1. Your neighborhood association probably does more to impact the enjoyment of your property than anything “left-wingers” are doing.

              Not really.

              And why, exactly, has it become routine to refer to people you disagree with politically as “wastes of life”?

              Shitlibs don’t like it when their smugness and condescension is thrown back in their face.

              1. Not really.

                Where did the left-winger touch you, RRWP?

                Shitlibs don’t like it when their smugness and condescension is thrown back in their face.

                Really? You think calling someone a “shitlib” and “waste of life” is being “smug” or “condescending” towards them? It’s actually not.

                You just lower yourself when you engage in that kind of rhetoric. It might feel good, and you might get some kind of peer support for using it, but no “shitlib” “waste of life” takes it very seriously or feels humbled or insulted by it. It’s actually hard not to be smug when your political “opponents” can’t seem to formulate any argument against your position that doesn’t rely extensively on strawmen and insults.

                1. Where did the left-winger touch you, RRWP?

                  A leftist projects his molestation fantasies. Shocking.

                  Really? You think calling someone a “shitlib” and “waste of life” is being “smug” or “condescending” towards them? It’s actually not.

                  It’s enough to let them know that they’re the enemy.

                  It’s actually hard not to be smug when your political “opponents” can’t seem to formulate any argument against your position that doesn’t rely extensively on strawmen and insults.

                  Well, sure, Dunning-Kruger cases like yourself always think their positions are unassailable, even when they have to pull them off their website and disingenuously claim that it was “just a draft.”

  42. Look, these fucktards have some momentum right now. We need to channel or deflect that. If only we could transport them and their fellow travelers to some island where they could indulge their little green hearts, and show the world just how right they are–assuming they survive more than a few months.

    1. Haiti?

    2. Baffin!

    3. Severny.

    4. Ball’s Pyramid
      They can coexist with the tree lobsters.

    5. Maybe we could conduct a little experiment and see how the libertarian/conservatives handle their own island. I doubt they’d fare much better, once you remove all the invisible socialist subsidies that support the illusion that they’re self-sufficient.

  43. I think part of the headline is missing, it should read “Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal Aims to Eliminate Air Travel For Everyone Except for the Politically Well-Connected.”

    1. Climate Barbie, Lennie Di Caprio and Algore approve this message.

  44. I like it. It will hasten the collapse.

  45. a plan that would remake the U.S. economy over the next 10 years

    Yeah, me and my buddies back in high school came up with plans like this sitting around the campfire drinking beer and smoking dope. Mostly the plans were abandoned when we figured out we hadn’t planned for running out of beer.

  46. Looking forward to all those new jobs at the soylent green factory.

  47. What will eliminate air travel for us are EMP nuclear bombs detonated over North America. No real way to stop that. I like to think our civilization can recover from the shocking catastrophe this will be, but it may take decades. Also completely eliminated for many years will be all the fun we have blogging here at Reason or anywhere else. Will miss y’all. . .

    1. That’s a big sci-fi leap for mankind.

  48. We can look forward to more of this kind of representation if we keep giving immigrants voting rights.

  49. We should try a series of trial programs first just to see if its feasible.

    First ban all private jets.

    Then ban all congressional air travel on military planes, whether there is room or not.

    Then maybe we can designate a few states where there is already a rail network built out to ban air travel first, like say the Washington-Boston corridor, then maybe after a decade of economic powerhouses like New York showing us how to prosper with no air travel, then I’m sure the rest of us will be onboard.

    1. I support this idea.

    2. “Then ban all congressional air travel.”

      Should have stopped that sentence right there. I worked from home for the past 18 years. Web conferencing has progressed to the point where there’s no need to meet in a big building in Washington, D.C. anymore. Reps and Senators should be back in their home districts and states.

  50. If you think they don’t understand transportation you should think about how little they understand housing. We’re going to replace or make state-of-the-art every trailer or public housing unit within 10 years? Plus all the cute urban housing the proggies live in themselves?

    If you like your house, you can keep your house… unless we must seize it for the proletariat.

    1. What if they seize it in order to Build the Wall?

      1. 5 billion vs 7 trillion and complete disruption of current markets. Why dont you and Simon go find something shiny to play with.

        1. Try $60 billion (CATO estimate). Are you defending the wall or are you showing that selective pragmatism libertarians are so known for?

          1. Are you actually defending this Green New Deal? Do you think this is a good idea that is both politically and physically possible to implement?

            1. My position is that no dumbass retarded political ideology–whether invented in 1776 or 1950–is worth preserving if it means destroying the biosphere of planet earth. Call me crazy.

              1. Planet Earth’s biosphere can survive just fine with or without us. As long as leftists suffer, it ends up as a win in the end anyway.

                1. It can survive much better without us, surely, but one is most concerned about the habitable environment for homo sapiens. Leftists, by which I’m sure you euphemistically mean Jews, are, unfortunately for your social preferences, a member of that same species.

                  1. It can survive much better without us, surely, but one is most concerned about the habitable environment for homo sapiens

                    There’s not an issue with that, either. You’re just too much of a drama queen to accept it.

                    Leftists, by which I’m sure you euphemistically mean Jews, are, unfortunately for your social preferences, a member of that same species.

                    I’d include faggots in there, too.

    2. Maybe they could just cut out the public subsidies flowing to suburban developments. That would dry up those environmental blights awful quick.

      1. Maybe they could just cut out the public subsidies flowing to suburban developments. That would dry up those environmental blights awful quick.

        As well as the environmental blight of downtown developments. You people deserve to live in garbage heaps anyway.

        1. Dense development is efficient development. It causes less environmental damage, and what damage it causes is easier to manage. It also generates the tax dollars necessary to do that.

          Suburbia does none of that.

          1. Dense development is efficient development. It causes less environmental damage, and what damage it causes is easier to manage.

            “Everyone live in your little shoebox!”

            There’s a reason downtown residential developments are populated largely by the young/childless, the elderly, and the homeless, and light rail systems are designed to allow suburban residents to not have to live in little shoebox high-rises.

  51. stops becoming necessary

    Is anyone else as horrified as I am by the grammar here?

  52. Of course there will be “exemptions” on air travel for certain people and for the military. how else can we get our troops around the globe to fight all those wars.

    1. ejhicky

      how else can we get our troops around the globe to fight all those wars.

      We’ll transport the troops in giant Viking-like ships, powered by sails and oarsmen. By the way, oarsmen will be one of those high paying “guaranteed jobs” of the future…!

  53. But what will we do without those hilarious Southwest flight attendants?

    1. Tony – I love how neuterd you are on this thread. This is you, this is what you want so stand up and fucking scream for joy about it

      1. He’s neutered every time someone steps in and points out that his intellect is as deep as a Mr. Turtle kiddie pool.

      2. You just can’t appreciate jokes with more than one layer (the fart layer).

        1. Under the AOC regime, fart jokes will be banned. They could lead to actual planet-killing farting.

  54. I just read the entire resolution and this is the first thing that came to mind:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

    Just keep it queued up for after every time she speaks.

  55. She also mentioned cow farts. I did see recently that some scientists figured out the genes responsible for high methane cow farters vs low methane cows. It has to do with the mix of micro organisms in the gut. The idea is you could breed the cows accordingly.

    So no worries there. Guilt free meat is on the way.

    1. Guilt free? I eat guilt-negative meat all the time.

    2. Now if they can figure out how to not spray our fellow Americans with animal poo and release the poo into local waterways. Then it would really be guilt free.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFzDpUUecw8

  56. I’ve been laughing so much over this idiocy that I forgot to try to project what would happen if it actually passed. What would happen if Congress did decide to rebuild all buildings, replace all airliners with high speed rail, and replace all fossil fuel and nuclear power with wind and solar power, all in ten years?

    Probably the first problem would be trying to actually allocate all the money needed. They’d start with studies, allocate a few billion, and then have crazy hearings to discuss priorities. Give the studies a year or two to burn through all that money, cuz you know they’d expect Congress to wise up before they had spent it.

    No matter how lowball the hack estimates came in, this could not be done for less than probably $5T a year for a decade.

    At some point they’d have to allocate trillions and trillions of dollars. You can’t raise taxes enough to cover it; I wrote elsewhere about how even confiscating the Forbes’ 400 wealth would do no good because it’s not cash, it’s assets, which have to be sold to be made into cash, and everyone who could buy it has had their assets confiscated too.

    They couldn’t borrow it. No one would loan them that much for such nonsense. The only alternative is print it.

    1. So they print $1T just for starters, getting their toe wet so to speak.

      Now how do they actually do any of it? There aren’t enough workers, there isn’t enough production capacity, to do any of these projects, let all of them. To rebuild every building, from houses to skyscrapers to factories and warehouses — where would you get the workers, and where would the workers get the materials?

      Prices would skyrocket, absorbing all that printed money and more. Price controls wouldn’t do any good because the only way to get even 10% of that capacity is import it, and it would be fascinating how fast Europe and China laughed at their price controls. Besides which, they sure wouldn’t take payment in soon-to-be hyper-inflating dollars. They’d want barter (oil, coal, food) or gold or other expensive minerals. But that would soak up workers and resources too — we’d have to let China and Europe and Mexico send in millions of workers to mine the ore or rebuild the buildings and build the high speed rail.

      I suppose an alternative is to directly barter for high speed rail itself. Both countries have more experience than we do. But that wouldn’t fly with the union wage restrictions.

      1. That’s about as far as I can stretch my imagination. It simply can’t keep going that way. There aren’t enough workers or money in the entire world to rebuild every building in America, to replace all airliners with high speed rail, and to build all the solar and wind power stations and all the battery capacity to replace fossil fuel and nuclear power plants.

        Natural disasters take a lot of rebuilding, and they are puny compared to what this GND wants. All those idiots touting this are just idiots, plain and simple.

        In reality, it would never even pass the Democrat-controlled House. It would founder right from the start on cost concerns.

        Look at how many contortions and outright lies California had to go through just to pretend to prepare to build a short stretch of high speed rail through cheap farm land. They are stalled waiting for private investment, last I heard, and haven’t got a dime.

        This GND is 1000 times the size easy. It will never even pass committee.

        1. Damn, and I was so looking forward to taking the public high speed rail to the nationalized Soylent Green factory in my retirement.

          1. You can always be the fuel that gets the train there!

  57. Then I started thinking about actual numbers. There are somewhat more than 120M families in the US. There is around 2/3 home ownership rate. That’s 80M homes. Suppose the remaining 40M families live in apartments; if there are 40 apartments in each apartment building, that’s 1M apartment blocks, insignificant next to the number of homes, but each apartment is probably half the rebuild effort of a full standalone house, so call it 100M total residences.

    How many offices, factories, etc? I’d say call it 50M just because almost all working people have to work in some building somewhere, and the employment rate is something like 2/3 of the population, I think, but call it half (150M) to allow for children and the elderly, and as with apartments, the number of occupants is some indication of the effort required.

    So 100M homes/150M buildings to rebuild or upgrade, in ten years. That’s 10M/15M a year. It’s surprisingly hard to find actual statistics on how many houses we build a year now, but just over 1M is the best I could fine.

    So we’re going to have to build/rebuild 10-15 times as many houses as we do now.

  58. If God had wanted man to fly, He wouldn’t have given us socialism.

  59. How about those trains?

    One google answer says 140K miles of train track in the US. Seems like a lower limit, because if you want to replace airliners, you’ve got to connect a lot more cities. Let’s call it 200K miles of track, for want of anything better.

    All has to be high speed, of course. I found one estimate for Texas high speed track, $5M per miles, double tracked. That’s flat land, no switches or crossings, no stations, no yards, and especially nothing urban. Probably doesn’t include land acquisition. I say double it at least, but that still sounds surprisingly low.

    Let’s try California’s shining example. Its projected price, by politicians, has had a high of $100B for, what, 500 miles? No one accepts that on face value, more like twice. $200B / 500 miles is $400M per mile.

    Sheesh, hard to reconcile those two. What the heck, call it $100M/mile because most places are cheaper than California.

    $100M/mile for 200K miles is … $20T. So we double our national debt in a decade. $2T per year.

    1. It would take 20 years alone just to get the land rights for this and then another 20 years to build it.

      1. This is why we have to get rid of that pesky Constitution. It’s standing in the way of progress!

  60. Ocasio-Cortez has admitted that completely eliminating air travel within the next 10 years might not be possible.

    If you say so. That webpage has apparently been taken down.

    1. Other sites have seen it and laughed at it.

  61. I have no idea on how to even begin pricing out rebuilding the entire national power grid with solar and wind power. I know I saw figures for the Tesla batteries they sold to Australia for their little fiasco; probably 1/100 what the US would need. Are there even enough raw materials for that much battery, let alone all the rare earths that go into the high efficiency motors in wind turbines, and all the solar cells? Not to mention redesigning and rebuilding the power lines which redistribute all those decentralized, scattered, intermittent, unpredictable power sources.

    One estimate of the depreciated value of the current old-school power grid was $2T. To replace it all would have to be on the order of $10T. That’s another $1T a year, not counting trying to find scarce workers and materials, and to do it all without disrupting the current power grid.

  62. Then she wonders why people ‘obsess’ over her.

    She’s a retard.

    1. Hire the mentally ill; they’re fun to watch.

  63. ” don’t really know much about transportation”

    Don’t need to. Gas bags and blimps will suit us fine.

    1. Just be sure to use hydrogen

    2. So, sling a gondola under a congressman?

      1. Just go to the nearest airport (or just about anywhere else). Half the people there are blimps.

  64. This is how socialist designed travel works. I have a trip planned to Turkey next month. It would be a 90 flight from where I am if I could fly out of my large city’s airport but here is how I’ll get there:

    -Bus to the local train station to take train to the main part of the city
    -Marshrutka (shared taxi) to the other train station
    -Train to Odessa, a ride that is over 12 hours for what would be 6 hour drive in a car
    -Taxi to the Odesa airport that will get us there 4 hours before the plane takes off

    I literally have to leave for the airport the day before – more than 24 hours before I will be in Turkey- even though I have an airport in my city that doesn’t really have flights to anywhere. In contrast, my American daughters will spend a total of about 15 hours travel time to get to same place that i halfway across the world from them.

    Train rides are so long that most people take overnight trains so they can just sleep. Though they have nicer cars than this one, they sell out quickly and most people end up sharing their night with about 60 other people. And it’s not just that they sell out- you never know when tickets will go on sale for the trip you want so it’s always a crap shoot.

    1. ” I have a trip planned to Turkey next month.”

      There’s your first mistake.

  65. “….don’t really know much about transportation”

    Well, she did admit she’s not ‘super informed’ about the Mid-East where Israel/Palestine are concerned.

    What a shit show she’s performing.

    1. I, for one, never want her to stop talking. The more she says, the more she exposes herself as an utter fool.

      Sunlight is the best disinfectant after all…

      1. I mostly agree, but I have just a little worry that crazy talk, repeated enough, becomes accepted.

  66. AOC is on the far end of the Democratic spectrum (however, the nutfucks at Greenwald’s blog won’t accept anyone but Russia-approved Tulsi. I want to thank you guys for being relatively less crazy than those people. What a shitshow.)

    Anyway, you’re freaking out over someone who won’t be able to achieve any of what she wants (unless, god forbid, the people of America start liking what she’s selling). It’s all such a waste of time. And she’s truly more benign than the extremes of the other party, who not only manage to get power but also have an alarming tendency to fuck children.

    1. “And she’s truly more benign…”

      Not sure about that. The philosophy she espouses has led to the deaths of >100 million people over the last 100 or so years. That seems a bit worse than a few pederasts.

      1. Nobody advocates Stalinism or Maoism who’s elected to public office in this country that I’m aware of. The only one who has a boner for totalitarianism is the president. It’s his CEO nature.

        1. Tony – the supporters of Stalin or Mao didn’t “vote” for genocide, it just happens to be a byproduct of what they where espousing

          1. Socialism requires violence and oppression. You can’t have the one without the other. The Glorious Revolution is not farmers in golden wheat fields and factory workers enjoying their comfortable homes. The Revolution is bloodshed, murder, genocide and the denigration of the human being to the property of the state that is guaranteed neither life nor rights.

          2. The Comanche didn’t need any commie to all but genocide them from the face of the earth. They died so that private property might live in Freedom.

            1. The Comanche didn’t need any commie to all but genocide them from the face of the earth.

              Try demonstrating an understanding of borderlands history that’s not strictly limited to Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

              1. “Try demonstrating an understanding of borderlands history that’s not strictly limited to Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.”

                Wounded Knee is not a borderland. Unless its the border between North and South Dakota, where this locale is situated. The Comanche inhabited territory near the nominal US/Mexican border. Check out wikipedia if book learning offends you.

                1. I’m not surprised that comment sailed over your head, considering what a pseudo-intellectual slug you are. You parrot Dee Brown’s thesis without even knowing the source.

        2. De Blasio? His spot on Maher earning standing ovation applause for “There’s tons of money in NYC and California, its just in the wrong hands”.

          Bannons plan for economic populism come from both the left and the right. Yellow Vests come to mind.

    2. This takes me back to Joe the plumbers Chavez hugs….

    3. Except she has put forth a definition of what “Green New Deal” means, which the Democrat Presidential candidates are at least paying lip service endorsing, and it is absurd.

    4. I thought fucking children was one of your favorite activities.

    5. No one, not even Trump, comes close to the media coverage she is getting now; and we are getting so close to 2020; personally I love what she is doing for the Democrats [and everyone who opposes them].

      My guess is about 47% [Remember Romney’s take on that in 2012?] of the population love what she is selling. They world is rigged and unfair, and they don’t get their fair share. AOC is going to change everything about that, and fix the environment too.

      Even though anyone with a modicum of sense, and any thing to lose, sees her “deal” as the Titanic on steroids.

    6. Dude, she’s not more “benign” than the extremes of either party. She IS the extreme. Her ideas would bankrupt the country within 20,30 years.

      1. “Dude, she’s not more “benign” than the extremes of either party. She IS the extreme. Her ideas would bankrupt the country within 20,30 years.”

        Why, selling Alaska back to the Chinese alone ought to buy us at least 30 years.

        1. And then we could sell Hawaii back to the Germans….

  67. I can only imagine the panic the Dem’s are in over this. It’s what the progressive wing has always wanted but to actually put pen to paper and lay it out in sloppy detail is suicide. This proclamation may have already ensured Trump another term and a GOP house and senate – can you imagine the soundbites this type of non-sense will generate… No planes, no meat, retro-fit ALL buildings, no cars as you know it – in fucking 10 years! This just aborted the usual prog talking points of sustainability, fairness, climate neutral, blah, blah and just said what they means. Now they own it for better or worse and let’s see what the folks of the country think about that…..

    1. Hey, if you truly believe that the world is literally going to end in 12 years….

  68. There will be no need to build out high speed rail to Casper Wy or Provo Ut, we will all be herded into mega cities….

    Instead of overseas air travel, everyone will be issued head sets for “virtual travel” ….!
    Virtual travel would also be great for guys who romanticize living the dangerous lifestyle, but are too chicken to do it…
    Babe: So, what do you do ?
    Guy: I’m a virtual explorer…In fact, just got back from a virtual climb of Mt Everest…..
    Babe: Ooooooo, you’re so brave……!
    Guy: Yes…..I know….

  69. Quote: “The Green New Deal reads like word vomit from a 13-year-old child”
    I disagree, seems more like a 6 year old child.
    It won’t happen, how will all those Representatives and Senators fly to their vacations spots? Fly home for their re-election campaigns? (about the only time they spend in their districts) Or are we going to end commercial air travel to go green while individual Reps. and Senators fly all over the world by themselves on military jets? Yeah, that will save us all!

  70. Green New Deal looks promising for those who want to bilk the American taxpayer for frivolous non-sense. Count me in! I’m going to solve the Hawaii dilemma. Seeking $100M in federal grants to develop a high-speed submarine, powered by salt water and/or pixie dust. Or we could just jettison Hawaii from the Union and call it a day.

  71. After reading that “deal”, I’m frankly amazed. “Occasional Cortex” is actually stupider than she at first seems, and I didn’t think that possible.

    I really think she’s going to be a one termer. Even the Democrats are starting to find her embarrassing.

    1. I really think she’s going to be a one termer.

      No, she won’t. Her district his majority Hispanic, and they won’t go against one of their own.

      1. I suspect NYC Democrats are working hard to find a tame Hispanic to primary her.

        1. Wit dem 14th Street doorknocker earrings? Fat chance, gringo.

  72. I would piss myself laughing if someone told OCA about the San Francisco- Honolulu undersea tunnel we built during WW2 to move troops and supplies.

  73. Will any member of the press ask her about replacing air travel with trains? Just ask her and let her talk.

    There are many unworkable solutions to problems in her proposal, but that one seems to be the most far fetched and not thought out. Well, aside from rebuilding every building in the country…but I want someone to put her on the spot and ask her WTF she was thinking putting forth a conversion had while high as a serious policy initiative.

  74. This is EXACTLY why I am hoping for all the dire Global Warnings to come true. Maybe the oceans will rise enough to drown every one of the morons that voted for this ignorant C**T.
    /hyperbole

    1. If global warming makes the oceans evaporate we will be able to drive to Hawaii.

  75. Two things:
    1. How did a socialist get her transportation dreams from Atlas Shrugged?
    2. It becomes clearer with each speech / interview she gives exactly what degrees from Boston College are worth.

  76. AOC must have been listening to Steely Dan’s “I.G.Y.”

    On that train all graphite and glitter
    Undersea by rail
    Ninety minutes from new york to paris
    (more leisure for artists everywhere)
    A just machine to make big decisions
    Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision
    We’ll be clean when their work is done
    We’ll be eternally free yes and eternally young

    What a beautiful world this will be
    What a glorious time to be free

    1. Perfect.

    2. I suspect a lot of progs are influenced by the backdrop of Star Trek movies; everything is so clean, beautiful, and organized that they can spend all that surplus just tooling around the galaxies because there is nothing left to do

  77. Maybe she believes Elon Musk will be building electric airplanes one day.

    1. Pfft. Hobby drones are already electric and obviously all systems that work in miniature will easily to very large systems. That’s something that is obviously accepted by most mainstream economists and political theorists, judging by what they say.

  78. Her proposals are unrealistic, but we can expect “Modern Monetary Theory” (MMT) to be mentioned more and more. What the young lady seems to be ignoring about MMT is that there is in fact a constraint – it’s inflation. I’m not part of the MMT crowd, but I have read a fair amount about it, and harmful inflation – such as hyperinflation – is mentioned by the more serious promoters of MMT, like Warren Mosler.

  79. Cortez has ZERO experience in government and economics, so Miss Cortez, please STFU until you have a CLUE how
    to do your job.

    1. Her job was to get elected, ban electricity, pass a carbon tax and stop God’s Own Prohibitionists from banning birth control. This is not rocket pseudoscience. Libertarians dropped the ball–until Bill Weld caught it on the rebound for a 328% increase in LP vote share.

  80. Would this even reduce emissions?

    Much better ways to invest trillions, even if the goal is emissions reduction.

    Scary that people think that unlimited money can be printed without making it worthless, as has happened in the past, with people pushing wheelbarrows full of currency for modest purchases (and having the wheelbarrow stolen and currency ditched).

    1. Yes, but we will be using electric wheelbarrows…..so it’ll be OK…..

    2. you can print unlimited money, just not unlimited wealth. wealth is determined not by $ but by how much it is worth plus how much the person has thats why almost every american is wealthier than any other time because more product is being made for less cost.

  81. I honestly feel sorry for AOC. She is a deluded women purposefully miseducated and the natural result of democrat controlled education systems. She is probably a sweet woman who actually wants good things for all Americans, but has laid out a path for total annihilation of our republic and the total destruction of modern civilization, returning us back to the barbaric days before white Christians colonized the world.

    1. No she’s not. She’s a self-absorbed cunt.

  82. “the government can print and spend as much money as it wants.” sure I mean it worked out for zimbabwe, right?

  83. That bitch is a moron. One can only hope she dies quickly in a (electric) car crash.

  84. Cow Farts !

  85. Oh, OK. Our enimies will be happy to know that a few well-placed bombs can shut down all our travel nationwide. This woman is dangerously stupid.

  86. ‘ Truly replacing air travel with high-speed rail lines would require connecting all the countless cities in the U.S. that, while they wouldn’t be classified as major, still have airports. ‘

    “Meh. Flyover country should be given back to the buffalo.”

    1. There are stretches of flyover country where wild grasses proliferate, and the Indian population increases as the white man pulls up stakes and heads for the coast.

  87. Here is an image made by super-imposing all the flightpaths in north America. https://tinyurl.com/y4e2z3ox
    Good uck, AOC. Oh and I hear there is a discount on the Direct Line fron Honolulu to Anchorage. Have fun.

    1. Wing in ground is the commie way to fly.

      1. No, they fly much better when tossed from helicopters.

        1. Wing in ground is a style of low-flying aircraft the Soviets invested heavily in.

    2. Even if you could recreate all that, one of the great things about air travel that I haven’t seen anyone discuss is that it allows dynamic capacity allocation. Airlines can devote more planes and flights to a route if it becomes popular or if there’s a demand surge (Super Bowl, etc.). There’s a hard limit to how many more trains you can run over the same tracks, especially in urban areas with crowded stations.

  88. From the FAQ:

    92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal

    Obviously indicating that most of the polled Democrats and Republicans don’t have a clue what the resolution (and FAQ) actually say but will answer a question about it as if they do know what they say.

  89. AOC’s ideal transportation policy: Covered wagons (pollutes nothing) pulled by jack asses (farts less than oxen or cows).

  90. I REALLY hope she slips and falls in the shower one morning… I’d be cool with her just dying of course… I would also be cool with her being paralyzed from her neck down. It would be AMAZING to see her having to motor around in her little electric wheelchair controlling it with her face or however they do it.

  91. Cortez never ceased to amaze when it comes to total and complete ignorance. Not only would her “green new deal” require massive expenditures on rail lines, but it would also eliminate companies such as FedEx and UPS, which depend on air transport in their logistical scheme. It would also hobble the US postal service, of all things! The USPS used to contract with railroads to courier mail from one distribution point to another. Now, they have their own fleet of airplanes and trucks. Imagine – a Democrat who is hell bent on destroying a government agency!

    I challenge Cortez to live according to her dictates – through one winter in Fargo, North Dakota. She can live in a government-approved “smart” house, and generate her own heat and electricity using a windmill and solar panels. She can bicycle to the grocery store for provisions in – 30 degree weather and through 1 foot drifts of snow (she’d have to. b’c the battery on the Prius would be DOA and without fossil fuel powered equipment, her driveway wouldn’t be cleared unless she did it with her little government-issued shovel.) Then in April, she can tell us all how to live “green.” Her new nickname would be “Popsicle,” but at least she would resemble the corpse of her idol, Lenin (aka “the cold cut”), that was on display for years in the former Soviet Union.

  92. God I fucking hate this woman, an idiotic, insane, indoctrinated, millennial, control freak, every quality I hate in any person. I find it funny there is segments of our population (idiotic sheep) who worship this commie moron, yet she refuses to debate anybody because I think she even realizes how dumb she really is. When Ben Shapiro challenged her to a debate you turned full victim and said that Shapiro “was cat calling her”. HA! HA! Somebody should just surprise challenge her in public and get it on video, completely destroy her and make her look like the dumb, clueless bitch she is.

  93. This is pure idiocy. High speed rail costs much more, it will require billions in property acquistion (unless she plans to just steal the right of way, which is possible) and the design, environmental studies and construction will take many decades. And speaking of the environment, these clowns are so invested in carbon and it’s possible affects, they refuse to see the other environmental costs of their schemes. They are many and mostly terrible. Not to mention that air travel is far more efficient than travel by car and in the long run, due to construction, maintenance and security costs, less burdensome than travel by rail, not to mention the time lost to millions of travelers since planes fly directly to their destination and do it at twice the speed. And all that is off the top of my head as a retired transportation engineer. I could keep going…

  94. Airline travel is like a trip to the dentist’s office. The best you can hope for is no pain.

  95. So? George Holy War Bush and George Waffen Bush’s bombardment of religiously fanatical sand people caused an absolute halt to air travel in These United States. This happened immediately, followed by an enabling Act to make the Reichstag weep with envy! Our Godly fascists will not play second fiddle to no godless commies when it comes to reversing air travel back to pre-1903 levels.

  96. The speed record for a high speed train is 268 mph. turbo prop and commercial jets fly much faster than that -450 -600 mph. Also the problem with high speed trains is that just one stop on the route leaves them in the dust compared to planes. If and when HSR are built you can be damn sure politicians along the route will insist the train make a stop in their one horse town. If not , why are their taxpayers (voters) helping to pay for the train? In short , HSR have both physical and political brakes on their practicality.

  97. High speed boats. They left out the part about the high speed boats. That’s how we can get to Hawaii. Solar powered high speed boats.

  98. I think it’s a good strategy for politicians to propose absurd solutions. Congress is incapable of agreeing on simple, pragmatic solutions. So why not go for a fantasy? There’s zero risk it will get passed, and no one will be disappointed if nothing come of it.

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  101. ‘In fact, there are more than 5,000 public airports in the U.S.” And how many of those public airports will take you anywhere other than a hub airport. No air travel will not be eliminated but it would be a lot more efficient to use rail travel between smaller cities and large hub airports. Most of the large hubs have trains or subways to connect them to the local city, so why not go to smaller cities nearby. Yes its expensive, but so is supporting small airports. Complaining about TSA agents is a regular feature of Reason, so why not eliminate some of the TSA by shutting down smaller airport in favor of alternate transportation methods. By the way, I regularly take the bus from Wisconsin to Ohare for travel and the bus is private company and provides service through a free market.

    1. And how many of those public airports will take you anywhere other than a hub airport

      “Moderation4ever stated cluelessly.”

      No air travel will not be eliminated but it would be a lot more efficient to use rail travel between smaller cities and large hub airports.

      The rest of the US is not the DC-Boston corridor.

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  103. Picture, if you would, a map of the USA, covered in direct rail lines FROM every city / metropolitan area TO every city / metropolitan area. That’s what would be required to make a system like this truly ‘high speed’ rail, and not the constant pit-stop system we have now where it takes you several days to get from New York to LA.

    Now think about how much private land would need to be taken via eminent domain to accomplish this. It’s a socialist’s wet dream.

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  105. I believe them. If they actually got the power to completely control the economy then i think most of the GND goals would be completely forgotten.

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