Sex Crimes

Vanessa Tyson Details Sexual Assault Accusation Against Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax, Who Denies It

"I cannot agree with a description of events that I know is not true."

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The woman who accused Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax of sexually assaulting her at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 has now come forward. Her name is Vanessa Tyson, and she is a professor at Scripps College.

In a statement released Wednesday, Tyson said that she had gone willingly with Fairfax to his hotel room, and did not mind when he started kissing her. But then he forced her to perform oral sex on him, using his superior strength to overpower her.

"What began as consensual kissing quickly turned into a sexual assault," she said. "I cannot believe, given my obvious distress, that Mr. Fairfax thought this forced sexual act was consensual."

Fairfax has denied that the encounter was anything but consensual.

"I wish [Tyson] no harm or humiliation, nor do I seek to denigrate her or diminish her voice," he said. "But I cannot agree with a description of events that I know is not true."

Fairfax has made two claims to support his side of the story. First, he said The Washington Post had declined to print the accusation due to inconsistencies in Tyson's statements when she first approached them a year ago. Second, he said that Tyson appeared in a video in which she discussed her past as a sexual abuse victim, but did not specifically mention this incident.

Unfortunately for Fairfax, neither of these issues helps him. The Post released a story contradicting his claim—the paper didn't run Tyson's story because it couldn't find any corroboration, not because she made misstatements. And the video concerns Tyson's sexual abuse at the hands of her father, a different and very serious issue that could simply have seemed more relevant to Tyson when she decided to open up about her victimization.

This puts the people of Virginia—many of whom would like Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam to resign after it was revealed that he may have appeared in blackfack in his medical school yearbook—in quite a bind. What Northam is accused of is not nearly as bad as what Fairfax is accused of, though Fairfax has issued a more complete denial. (Northam initially apologized, then said he didn't think it was him in the photo, and then admitted he once put on black makeup for a Michael Jackson costume.)

Many progressives, of course, take the position that we should always believe victims, which would mean that Fairfax must resign. If Democrats had gotten their way during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, Christine Blasey Ford's accusation of sexual assault likely would have been enough on its own to derail the judge's nomination. Unfortunately, it seems even less likely in this case that we will discover additional information that could help the public decide who is telling the truth, since there was no one else involved in the Fairfax/Tyson incident (unlike the Ford/Kavanaugh incident).

Fairfax would be entitled to due process if he were to face charges for his behavior, but the court of public opinion does not offer similar protections. If it's true that Fairfax committed a sexual assault for which he was never charged, he has no business serving as governor or lieutenant governor. At the same time, anyone accused of serious sexual misconduct should resign fom office, even without any additional evidence whatsoever to substantiate the accusation, does not seem like a particularly reasonable standard to which we should hold public officials. It's a tough situation, and it's not immediately clear to me what should happen next.

By the way, Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring—who is next in line to serve as governor, after Fairfax—has already admitted to appearing in blackface.

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188 responses to “Vanessa Tyson Details Sexual Assault Accusation Against Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax, Who Denies It

  1. The dark cloud of the War Against Women is forever hovering over Republicans but usually manages to land on Progressives and Democrats.

    Kamala Harris aide resigns after harassment, retaliation settlement surfaces

    A longtime top staff member of U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris resigned Wednesday after The Sacramento Bee inquired about a $400,000 harassment and retaliation settlement resulting from his time working for Harris at the California Department of Justice.

    Larry Wallace, who served as the director of the Division of Law Enforcement under then-Attorney General Harris, was accused by his former executive assistant in December 2016 of “gender harassment” and other demeaning behavior, including frequently asking her to crawl under his desk to change the paper in his printer.

    The lawsuit was filed on Dec. 30, 2016, when Harris was still attorney general.

    Harris, who has said she will decide over the holidays whether to run for president in 2020, has been a prominent figure in the #MeToo movement against workplace sexual harassment. Last year, she was among a group of female senators that were the first to call for the resignation of Sen. Al Franken after multiple women accused him of sexual misconduct, and she introduced a bill in June to ban forced nondisclosure agreements in harassment settlements.

    1. He seems like a prick.

      1. Kamala identifies as a woman, I think.

    2. Lauren Baer
      US House candidate, FL-18

      “I stand in solidarity with women and men who share their stories. Every single allegation of sexual assault and sexual harassment should be heard and believed. “

  2. It doesn’t matter whether he did it or not. His forceful response proves that he lacks the temperament for the job. That’s how this game works, right?

    1. Yep bad temperament, can;t have that

    2. “It doesn’t matter whether he did it or not. His forceful response proves that he lacks the temperament for the job. That’s how this game works, right?”

      That’s the R rule.

      The D rule is that she should Take one for the team.

      1. Sounds like she did.
        Dont think that’s in dispute.

        What she needs to do now is just keep her head down and swallow her pride

        1. Lay back and think of England.

  3. Don’t worry everyone, I assure you that life continues as normal in the Old Dominion for most of us.

    1. I can see uncorroborated allegations against The Antichoice. Once they initiate the use of force against physicians and women, turnabout is eminently fair retaliation. But this guy Fairfax apparently wasn’t even screeching from the race suicide Comstock law pulpit. Waitaminnit! Is this Tyson gal by any chance a Republican?

      1. Am I the only one that pictures Hank screaming his inane screeds at the computer while spittle runs from his mouth as he types?

    2. For now at least. The progs were hoping to have control of all three branches of the state government after this year. That now looks like a tall order, but a lot can happen between now and November

  4. Many progressives, of course, take the position that we should always believe victims, which would mean that Fairfax must resign.

    No many progressives take the position that we should always beleive victims when they are accusing Republicans. That means Fairfax must resign because failing to do so would reduce the ability of Progressives to apply that standard to Republicans.

    1. Not sure what your point is. Yes, progressives say he should resign because that would make them logically consistent and make them walk the walk instead of talk the talk. That’s actually a very virtuous or ethical position to take. Interestingly John, you seem to be insinuating that being logically consistent is a fault.

      1. Is Cox governor yet?

        No?

        Then the progs and the Dems are not being logically consistent.

      2. Logically consistent with an illogical process – throw out due process completely and anytime someone whom identifies as a woman makes a claim, drop everything, prop her up, and demonize the other person. Ain’t a damn thing virtuous about that.

    1. This is so entertaining. It being in Virginia is what really makes it great. If it were in some other state the Post and the rest of the assholes in the national media could just ignore it. But they can’t ingore it in Virginia since it is right next door to DC.

      1. Especially considering that DC’s shitlib colony is NoVa is the primary reason these guys are in office.

        1. This is truly the best part. that the progressive assholes that get fat off our tax dollars now have to face their demons through the progressive assholes they voted for.

          If only they could recognize their collective awfulness and quit

  5. Virginia needs to get the racist out of office and give the rapitst a chance.

    Such are the wages of a state turning blue.

    1. “”Virginia needs to get the racist out of office and give the rapitst a chance.”‘

      That’s sums my opinion of politics for three decades or so.

    2. It’s especially rich when you consider that the vagina voters who elected Northam and Fairfax did so because they were made to think that the GOP would turn the state into the Handmaids Tale meets Apartheid South Africa.

      1. Maybe Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon should do a joint blackface parody of this.

  6. Nobody has attached “credible” yet to these accusations

    1. All accusations from women or women wannabes are automatically credible.
      All denials from men or men wannabes are automatically lies.
      It has been written.

    2. I can:

      “Tyson has credibly accused Fairfax of the crime of forced oral copulation”

    3. Hey, she’s a college professor, right? That means we have to believe her.

  7. Wow, the Democrats in Virginia have an All Star line up.

    Democratic governor – Picture in his year book of him wearing black face beside a friend in a Klan hood.
    Democratic Lt. governor – Raped a college professor in 2004
    Democratic Atty General – Admits to wearing black face

    1. And all “credible”

      C’mon Robby say it

    2. Mason-Dixon, baby.

    3. So, next: Democratic Lt. Atty General – Admits to wearing black face while raping a college professor?

      1. Actually, if the college professor was wearing a Klan uniform they’ve probably found their guy.

        1. Laughed out loud.

    4. Maybe the Gov. amd the AG can put on some blackface, or Klam robes, and cheer the Lt. Gov. on while he rapes another chick, this time on top of a pinball machine.

      1. Leave pinball out of this…

  8. >>>But then he forced her to perform oral sex on him

    color me naive but it seems any chick with teeth is better armed in this situation. imho

    1. Its a credible allegation Dillinger. We can’t have a governor who has been credibly accused or raping someone.

      1. one Kavanagh special, hold the mayo.

        1. More like squirt the mayo.

    2. Nope. Common sense is not allowed here. We must #BelieveAllWomen. Just like the writers did when the accusations against Kavanaugh became ever more farcical (oh yeah, that gang rape story totally made sense)

      1. farcical is good choice.

      2. But robby totally realized and preached the value of reserving judgement after the fact. Belated and impotent moral stands are the best kind of principles.

    3. Yeah, I agree. I have a hard time believing in non-consensual oral sex that involves a woman with teeth and no loaded weapon. Did he hold a gun to her head, a knife to her throat?

      1. He had her in a chokehold?
        He threatened to kill her if she bit?
        She was in shock?
        Inquiring minds want to know – – – – – —

        1. The standard excuse is, “I froze”.

          1. Did you scream? Did you make any loud noise? Anything at all that someone in the hotel might have heard that could corroborate your story? Did you slap him? Did anyone see him grab you, paw at you, pull your arm?

            Give us something other than, “Hey, I gave this guy a BJ 13 years ago and I totally didn’t want to and was forced and it’s been haunting me for years and I just now feel like talking about it.”

            1. So not resisting rape is consent?

              1. No means yes, and yes means anal?

                1. “and yes means anal?”

                  It’s called a “Kobe”

              2. Not necessarily. But if you resist, then there’s at least some element of the crime to establish. Some way to prove the fact of it beyond just “he says it wasn’t, she says it was.”

                Here’s my issue: If he wasn’t forceful, and she wasn’t resisting…how can anyone tell a rape from a consensual sexual encounter?

                1. #BelieveHer

                2. “If he wasn’t forceful, and she wasn’t resisting…how can anyone tell a rape from a consensual sexual encounter?”

                  You can’t. And that’s the point – they want it so they can use this style of accusation to destroy political opponents evidence-free.

                  What they don’t realize is that there are plenty of women that disagree with Democrats/Progressives that will start using this tactic against them.

    4. Yes, you are naive.

  9. Her name is Vanessa Tyson, and she is a professor at Scripps College.

    Fair is fair. Props for using her name.

    If it’s true that Fairfax committed a sexual assault for which he was never charged, he has no business serving as governor or lieutenant governor.

    If it’s true, she should’ve reported it 13 yrs. ago when it happened rather than waiting until he’s elected Lt. Gov. and the governor above him may be booted from office. Her Tweet makes it rather apparent that her (albeit unintentional) stance is; so long as Fairfax was some no-name black man, he should be allowed to get away with sexual assault. The sort of thing that would almost literally breed a rape culture if such a thing existed.

    1. “If it’s true, she should’ve reported it 13 yrs. ago when it happened rather than waiting until he’s elected Lt. Gov. and the governor above him may be booted from office.”

      What? Vengeance is a dish best served cold.

      “The sort of thing that would almost literally breed a rape culture if such a thing existed.”

      What? Just what this time.

      1. What? Vengeance is a dish best served cold.

        Sexual assault is a crime. It’s about justice, not vengeance.

        “The sort of thing that would almost literally breed a rape culture if such a thing existed.”

        If rape or sexual assault charges are only ever leveled at the top 1%, the other 99% are going to, by-and-large, be born, grow up, grow old, and die thinking it’s OK to force yourself on a woman. That’s rather overtly how these men accrue so many victims. Actual serial rapists are few and far between and are frequently caught by police. The ones that manage to evade capture and attain positions of power supposedly like this do so with the abetting of women, including their victims who remain silent.

        Under Virginia law, if I *suspect* sexual impropriety involving a minor, elderly, or disabled person, I’m obligated under penalty of law to report my suspicions. Presumably, this woman had first-hand knowledge of a sexual assault and waited 13 yrs. before saying anything. That’s 13 yrs. where, if Fairfax was an abuser of women, he could’ve accrued a large number of victims for which Tyson would/could be culpable. Unless, of course, the whole thing was a misunderstanding, buyer’s remorse, or she otherwise didn’t consider him to be criminally guilty.

        1. “Presumably, this woman had first-hand knowledge of a sexual assault and waited 13 yrs. before saying anything. ”

          I don’t think that’s so unusual. I believe some victims of sexual abuse live the rest of their lives keeping their experience a secret. Why she did that? We can speculate, but that’s all it is at this point.

          Vengeance and justice. It’s up to the courts to dispense justice. If the victim can exact vengeance by bringing the matter before the public eye, it may not be the most admirable motive, but it’s (probably) not illegal.

          1. The problem is truth. Press charges immediately when there’s physical evidence and perhaps other witnesses.

            You don’t have to have an actual sexual assault to get vengeance. Maybe he didn’t hold the elevator for and she decided 12 or 13 years later to call him a rapist. There’s nothing other than her word, which is rather insufficient.

            More plausibly, she could have completely agreed, and then the next day when he said, “Well, I’m not really looking for a relationship,” she got bitter, and then later decided that she was victimized, and then that became rape over time.

            1. Apparently she told others contemporaneously. She just didnt report it to police.

              The events are not in dispute. He admits to the encounter. The difference is a subjective one on the issue of consent. She says she did not consent. He says she did.

              Sounds exactly like a campus rape story, minus the kangaroo court.

              1. I guess I’m still confused about whether this accusation ever arose prior to last year.

                And yes, I’m still picturing this the same way I do most campus rape stories that show up on this website: I can’t help but wonder if consent was withdrawn after the fact, when the guy can’t undo his actions.

                1. ” I can’t help but wonder if consent was withdrawn after the fact, when the guy can’t undo his actions.”

                  I keep telling you guys, Darwin was right. Sex is and always has been a risky business. Be thankful that shotgun weddings and pistols at dawn are a thing of the past. Be thankful too that we’re not black widow spiders or praying mantises.

                2. The funny thing is, ‘libertarian law’ is pretty clear on this issue. The use of force is, or should be, pretty decidedly evident for any legal recourse, otherwise, we’re talking about a contract dispute. “He/She pushed my head down and I complied against my will.” isn’t a crime absent some greater duress.

              2. Apparently she told others contemporaneously. She just didnt report it to police.

                Cite? Everything I’ve seen is a ‘Blasey-Ford’ scenario where, at the time, she told no one, a handful of years later, she claims she understands what it’s like to be assaulted with no further clues, another handful of years later, she was sexually assaulted a decade ago but the alleged perp isn’t named…

    2. She shopped it to wapo before the election.

      1. Well her friend did. Then she whined in a hidden facebook post at this point.

    3. What’s the statute of limitations in VA on forced oral sex?

      There’s no statute of limitations for rape in VA. But apparently rape requires intercourse in VA. So homophobic!

      Looks like it’s forcible sodomy.

      1. “Looks like it’s forcible sodomy.”

        Anatomy not your strong suit?

        1. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

        2. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

        3. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

        4. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

        5. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

        6. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

        7. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

        8. Most Democrats speak shit from their mouth, so I’ll allow it

          1. JesseAz allows it.

            1. The squirrels seem to agree with Jesse

        9. Legally the definition of the term “sodomy” includes “oral copulation”.

  10. What Northam is accused of is not nearly as bad as what Fairfax is accused of…

    GASP!

    1. Let’s wait til we hear from the KKK guy in the photo. God only knows what Northam did to him after the party.

  11. “The Post released a story contradicting his claim?the paper didn’t run Tyson’s story because it couldn’t find any corroboration, not because she made misstatements.”

    Really? And why did The Washington Post break the uncorroborated story on Christine Blasey? What could be the key difference between the two stories.

    1. According to the Washington Post:

      “As corroboration of her account, Ford provided the Post with the polygraph results as well as session notes from her couples therapist written in 2012.”

      1. So herself was corroboration for herself?

        1. Note, incidentally, that the session notes contradicted her account, because they said she’d been attacked by four boys.

          1. Serially attacked person. Somehow men just can’t stop attacking her! Sometimes its one, sometimes its four, sometimes its a future politician. It just somehow keeps on happening!

      2. Oh, huh, I thought the answer was ‘Pelosi’.

      3. His story has been fully corroborated. He corroborates her version of events, minus the issue of consent. Both parties agree that they met, went back to the room, made out for a while, and had oral sex. They only disagree on whether or not she wanted to do it.

        There is no definition of the word uncorroborated that includes that version of events. Did they want corroboration of how she felt? It is a stupid claim. You cannot have more corroboration of such an event. Well, I guess if they had videoed the thing.

        Dr. Ford has never had any of her testimony corroborated by anything. She claimed it happened at a party and named names. Everyone she names said they were at no such party. That is the very definition of uncorroborated . In fact you can say it is mostly contradicted by the testimony of others. The difference here isn’t just stunning, it is revealing.

        1. His story has been fully corroborated. He corroborates her version of events, minus the issue of consent. Both parties agree that they met, went back to the room, made out for a while, and had oral sex. They only disagree on whether or not she wanted to do it.

          There is no definition of the word uncorroborated that includes that version of events. Did they want corroboration of how she felt? It is a stupid claim. You cannot have more corroboration of such an event. Well, I guess if they had videoed the thing.

          Video or some manner of signed contract. Absent that there needs to be some evidence of threats or physical force.

    2. I really think over the past few months Robby has been red pilled so hard that he’s afraid right now.

    3. They corroborated who was the conservative and who was the socialist.
      That’s all it takes these days to let democracy die in darkness – – – – –

  12. Excuse me, but it appears that i missed the most important word that should have been included in this write up

    Credible
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    I mean, c’mon

    1. At least give us a plausible. Oh but wait. He’s a black Democrat. Nothing to see here.

    2. Bobby apparently thinks that’s up to a jury to decide.

  13. “I cannot agree with a description of events that I know is not true.”

    “I don’t like things that suck. I like things that are cool!”

  14. Oh, Robby

    One of her friends has come forward and said she was told about the assault.

    1. Well… she was “told” about the “assault”:

      Tyson’s Stanford colleague Jennifer Freyd told the Bay Area News Group on Tuesday that sometime last fall, at the start of their fellowship program, Tyson told Freyd and a couple of other colleagues about the 2004 encounter at the Boston convention. Freyd doesn’t remember whether Tyson named Fairfax, but said that she spoke about it while “illustrating a concept” they were discussing about sexual violence.

      I sometimes wonder how palm readers and psychics stay in business. Sometimes, I don’t.

      1. Sometimes I drink water. Sometimes I drink tea. Sometimes I drink beer.

      2. Which means the major difference between the Tyson story and the Ford story is that Tyson hasn’t been caught changing her story.

        1. Neither one of them have changed their story, they’ve just evolved as the definition of rape, assault, and sexual assault have evolved.

  15. Where the “boofing truthers” at? Seriously that was like half of the staff and a third of the commentators

      1. I don’t want no trouble, Mr. Sarwark

  16. She was smokin’ the odd joint.

  17. But then he forced her to perform oral sex on him, using his superior strength to overpower her.

    Considering her name, why didn’t she just bite it off?

    1. ‘Cause that would be *icky*?

    2. You can catch a lot of diseases from blood

  18. ” Unfortunately, it seems even less likely in this case that we will discover additional information that could help the public decide who is telling the truth, since there was no one else involved in the Fairfax/Tyson incident (unlike the Ford/Kavanaugh incident).” Not one individual confirmed Ford’s accusation or admits to being “involved” in the incident. What the fuck are you talking about Robby? I assume you’re finally admitting that the complete lack of confirmation by everyone she claimed was involved proves that her accusations were bald faced lies.

    1. There allegedly were alleged witnesses who could have corroborated Ford.

      There are no alleged witnesses for this hotel room escapade.

      1. So alleged witnesses are involved even when they deny that they witnessed anything? Thanks for clearing that up.

        1. It is a difference. One was possible, one was not. And if the possible witnesses said no, then that’s additional evidence, even if the alleged victim didn’t like it.

  19. This Fairfax guy looks like he’s wearing blackface, too.

  20. “I wish [Tyson] no harm or humiliation, nor do I seek to denigrate her or diminish her voice,” he said.

    “Denigrate”? Good thing Fairfax is Black.

    1. “diminish her voice”

    2. Do “denigrate” and “nigrate” mean the same thing? You know, like “flammable” and “inflammable”?

  21. Blackfack?

    Show a little respeck, Rico.

  22. Unfortunately, it seems even less likely in this case that we will discover additional information that could help the public decide who is telling the truth, since there was no one else involved in the Fairfax/Tyson incident (unlike the Ford/Kavanaugh incident).

    This is only true if you believe in the modern, obviously flawed, progressive definition of rape/assault that you generally assail, Robby. The one where a woman, mid-fellatio, can utter an ‘mmm-mmm’ and the man be found guilty for not interpreting it to the utmost as ‘uh-uh’ or ‘No.’

    If you consider the conventional definition of sexual assault, the one that’s far more objective and more closely matches up to the far more heinous crime of… assault… then there are any number of people who would be able to attest to bruising, busted lips, torn clothing, bite marks, etc. The sort of thing that you would expect if someone forced you to do something even more mundane against your will and wasn’t specifically relying on disparate sexual norms enshrined under the law to bolster their case.

    She finds one witness that says she came home ‘puffy’ or with a bloody nose the night of or the night after the Convention, I’ll give her a little bit of credit. Until then, the worst it rises to is a case of buyer’s remorse.

    1. “If you consider the conventional definition of sexual assault”

      These conventions change over time. Not all that long ago a black man risked lynching if wolf whistled at a woman.

      “bruising, busted lips, torn clothing, bite marks, etc. The sort of thing ”

      I’m sure they must be plenty put away for rape without subjecting their victims to that sort of thing. Isn’t it bad enough to be raped? You need the victim to be beaten, scratched and generally brutalized before you’ll believe her?

      1. Rape is a serious crime. It’s tough to assume someone is immediately guilty of a serious crime without evidence-this is called “Innocent until proven guilty.”

        Did she scream? Was there anyone at the hotel who might have heard a scream? Any single witness who saw him manhandling her, grabbing her arm and pulling her or doing anything physically aggressive at all?

        If she didn’t scream for help, didn’t try to run away, then how am I supposed to know that she didn’t rescind consent after the fact?

        1. ‘then how am I supposed to know that she didn’t rescind consent after the fact?’

          All I can advise is let the courts do their work.

          Innocent until proven guilty is a good yardstick for deciding whether or not to send someone to prison. Not necessarily so useful in deciding whether you want someone to continue serving in public office. We have a right to a fair trial, but there’s no right to hold a public office.

          1. I find your last statement to be bullshit. If he’s perfectly qualified to serve before the accusation, then there’s no reason he can’t serve after the accusation unless there’s something to it.

            If he’s innocent, then taking his job away just because someone said something mean about him is punishing him. I’d rather have some level of confidence in his guilt before punishment is administered.

            How am I supposed to ascertain his guilt? He says one thing, she says another. Is there anything else that can be added? Any witness that isn’t just repeating what the accuser said?

            Without more evidence, I’m sorry, but I have to assume he’s innocent and still qualified to do his job.

            1. “How am I supposed to ascertain his guilt?”

              Simple, all you do is ask: is this guy progressive enough? Will he take money from one person and give it to me?

              1. “Simple”

                Simple until you realize that those here chiming in to defend the guy probable never vote Democrat or consider themselves progressive. This is a very regressive board if you are not familiar with it.

                1. Its almost like some of the people here have principles.

                  1. “Its almost like some of the people here have principles.”

                    Most are fairly partisan. You basically pointed this out yourself in your comment.

                2. Its almost like some of the people here have principles.

                  1. Most of us are fairly partisan, as I already mentioned.

                    1. Are you implying that someone can’t be both partisan and have principles?

                      If so, I don’t think these words mean what you think they mean.

            2. ” then there’s no reason he can’t serve after the accusation unless there’s something to it.”

              He’s a public official. If the public (or a significant section of it) has lost confidence in the man, then he should step down. This happens all the time in democracies. Nixon stepped down for these reasons. He was never charged or found guilty of any crimes.

              “How am I supposed to ascertain his guilt? ”

              Leave that to the courts if it’s important to you. In a few years they should come up with an answer. In the meantime, he can let someone else do the job who has the public trust.

              1. Way to build a false equivalency. You cite Nixon, but there was evidence of Nixon’s wrong doings and bad behavior. There were reels upon reels of taped conversations. There were papers, and witnesses, and confessions from conspirators.

                I’m saying that we need to have a reason to believe an accusation before any action is taken, and this includes evidence. If there’s no evidence, anyone can just accuse anyone the politically disagree with in order to start the media circus.

                If there’s no evidence, then there’s nothing to pursue. Whether he did it or not, a rational person will defer to the side of “This didn’t happen” as opposed to “this did,” when the only thing to analyze are the statements of two people.

                1. “but there was evidence of Nixon’s wrong doings and bad behavior”

                  Sure there was evidence. That doesn’t mean he’s guilty. You said yourself ‘innocent until proven guilty.’ Nixon was never charged, tried or proven guilty, yet he resigned. He’d lost the confidence of the public.

                  “I’m saying that we need to have a reason to believe an accusation before any action is taken, and this includes evidence.”

                  We don’t need this. We are free to call for the resignation of any public official, for any reason or no reason at all. That’s free speech. If we slander someone, we can be called to account for it.

                  “Whether he did it or not, a rational person will defer to the side of “This didn’t happen” as opposed to “this did,” when the only thing to analyze are the statements of two people.”

                  I don’t follow you. Why would a rational person believe person A and an irrational person believe person B? I don’t think you’ve thought this through. To me it seems that a person inclined to take the man’s point of view would reflexively take the man’s side, and vice versa.

              2. What most people don’t realize is that mrtrueman is a child molester. While we let the courts figure that out, lets have someone else do his job for awhile.

                I’m totally sure that he’ll be able to get his job back with all the articles written about him.

                1. “I’m totally sure that he’ll be able to get his job back with all the articles written about him.”

                  I don’t see any articles. I’ve already mentioned that to persuade some office holder to resign, you need a significant portion of the population to lose confidence in them. One pseudonymous internet commenter won’t be enough.

  23. Oh my stars and garters. What is a good Democrat to do?

    This wouldn’t have happened if there were no Republicans?

  24. Let me know when they threaten to destroy the economy if these questions continue.

    1. Fuck off, realfakeHihn!

  25. So, I’m not blaming the victim, but WTF do women think is going to happen when they go to a guy’s hotel room?

    1. They get to raid his minibar for whatever they can carry?

  26. Given these credible allegations, and the fact that the 3rd string guy has just admitted to racial impropriety, is this smaller government?

  27. So if this guy is in line for the governorship does this all count as job interview? Because if that’s the case I don’t think we need to worry about all that due process nonsense.

  28. Great. There went Al Jolson’s promising career in politics. The Libertarian Central Committee actually had snowflakes scribbling up a Blazing Saddles Resolution feigning shock and outrage that Coors-chugging Virginia fratboys could lack so much sensitivity, concern and awareness. Fortunately the move got laughed out of the room.

  29. Unfortunately, it seems even less likely in this case that we will discover additional information that could help the public decide who is telling the truth, since there was no one else involved in the Fairfax/Tyson incident (unlike the Ford/Kavanaugh incident).

    I might believe Tyson if other women came forward with similar accusations of forced oral copulation. Particularly if they confided to others at the time. Especially if they reported it to police or sought medical attention.

    While I’d say we pretty much determined beyond a shadow of a doubt the Ford/Kavanaugh incident never fucking happened.

  30. What the heck does “credible” mean these days? If she says “he sexually assaulted me while we were being held by aliens circling the moon” then not credible. If she says “he sexually assaulted me in his hotel room” and he admits they were in the hotel room together, then the story is credible but certainly not proven.

    1. Feasible, not credible.

  31. “I wish [Tyson] no harm or humiliation, nor do I seek to denigrate her or diminish her voice,” he said.

    From the Times link.
    “Just minutes before Mr. Herring issued his statement, Mr. Fairfax issued his own statement, at around the same time NBC reported that he had used profane language about his accuser at a Senate Democratic caucus meeting.
    Asked if Mr. Fairfax had referred to the woman with an expletive, Larry Roberts, the chief of staff to Mr. Fairfax who attended the meeting, said the lieutenant governor had used a profanity to describe the situation and his level of anger, but had not referred to the woman with the expletive reported by NBC.”

    Somewhere there is an expletive that does not harm, humiliate, denigrate or diminish. What is this magical word?

    1. “I’m fucking pissed off about this bullshit false memory”

    2. I believe its been reported (weasel words!) that, when first told about the accusation, Fairfax’s response was “**** that *****”
      Which I’d interpret as “fuck that bitch”

      1. Which is the appropriate response. He should call a press conference, say just those three words, and walk out.

  32. “……she is a professor at Scripps College.”

    aaaand we’re done here.

  33. I’ve known Vanessa since 6th grade. We went to junior high and high school together and had most of the same classes every year. We argued/debated constantly and we rarely agreed on anything in politics. She was never the type to let that interfere with a friendship. She was a good friend and I plainly believe her. She has excellent character and I can’t imagine her harming her beloved Democrat party without a good reason.

    1. Did you get any?

      1. Nope.

    2. Not OBL quality, but a solid first effort. C

      1. What it’s OBL. Quality?

  34. “It’s a tough situation, and it’s not immediately clear to me what should happen next.”

    Besides laughing our fool heads off?

    VA Dems try to pass infanticide bill. Governor supports it on video. Then Governor shows up in a photo in black face or a klan outfit, and he couldn’t remember which one he was wearing that day.

    With the cries for him to resign resounding throughout the intertubes, VA’s Governor heir apparent is accused of sexual assault (isn’t a forced blowjob rape?) just days before his impending coronation.

    Time to tweet mine both Guvs for all their race baiting and #BelieveHer cancer.

    May this shit show continue evermore!

    I loves the cries of terror and dismay of those who fed others to the crocodile, hoping it would eat them last, when it finally turns on them.

    Sounds like Justice.

    1. If you’re in a Klan outfit AND in blackface, do the two cancel out?

  35. What are the Dems even waiting for?
    Per their rules, accusation=sufficient evidence.
    By that logic, he must resign.

  36. So Virginia isn’t for lovers?

    Will the last Virgin in Virginia turn out the light.

    1. I don’t think she can reach the light switch.

  37. “We are supposed to always believe people who claim to be victims.”

    Well that will make being a judge a lot easier.

    I guess that’s why we’re told not to “judge” the behaviour of others.

    Not even their dumb ass statements and agendas.

    I don’t buy any of it. I’ll judge everything and everyone based on the truth, reality as evidenced by logic and science.

    Post truth is irrational.

  38. She said it, he’s guilty. That’s how it works, right?

  39. Meh. I’ll take the guy who wore blackface 35 years ago or the guy who went mistakenly went too far 15 years ago over the guy who bragged about routinely assaulting women and launched his campaign by questioning the citizenship of a black president with a funny name.

    You can chortle all you like about the Democrats getting their “just desert,” but you shouldn’t pretend that your hypocrisy isn’t completely obvious. Steve King doesn’t understand what’s wrong with “white nationalism,” and all that happened to him was he lost some committee seats he couldn’t do anything with anyway. Kavanaugh tried to rape a drunk woman many years ago and lied to the Senate about it, but was confirmed anyway. And then not a day seems to go by where we’re not somehow talking about Trump’s racism or history of sexual violence.

    I hope that the Democrats in Virginia aren’t dumb enough to fall for this. But certainly conservatives have no moral high ground to expect them to do so.

    1. “I hate Republicans, all the accusations against them are true.”

      “I’m okay with Democrats though, all the accusations against them are false.”

      1. I think I was quite clear in saying that I think the accusations against the Democrats might be just as credible as those against the Republicans.

        Not that you asked, but I didn’t expect Kavanaugh to step aside until he threw a damn tantrum in the Senate and lied through his teeth about being a douchebag when he was younger. As for Steve King, if his district thinks he adequately represents them, then by all means I see no reason for him to step down and give us the misimpression that there are decent people in Iowa. As for Trump, Trump should be impeached for, among other things, widespread corruption, incompetence, and dereliction of duty, so that’s just another category altogether.

        1. “I think I was quite clear in saying that I think the accusations against the Democrats might be just as credible as those against the Republicans.”

          I hope the Democrats aren’t dumb enough to fall for this.

          1. Are you having trouble following?

            By “dumb enough to fall for this,” I meant, “pushed to decapitate Virginia leadership out of some misconception that they have to ‘be better’ than the Republicans, who would never do such a thing.”

            1. Haha, I gathered that. SMH, you aren’t that sharp, are you?

              1. If you’re asking me whether I’m psychic and can piece together what you’re trying to say without your actually having to say anything, then no, no I’m not.

                1. At least you are honest!

    2. Meh. I’ll take the guy who wore blackface 35 years ago or the guy who went mistakenly went too far 15 years ago and I’d definitely vote forr the wife of the guy who routinely assaulted women–with her providing cover– who launched her campaign by questioning the citizenship of a black president with a funny name

      FTFY

      1. I wouldn’t consider Hillary’s actions vis-a-vis Bill’s affairs disqualifying, no. Nor do I care much about Bill’s transgressions, if I’m honest.

  40. “It’s a tough situation, and it’s not immediately clear to me what should happen next.”

    What should happen is that we should go back to the days when men and women were kept separate or accompanied by chaperones at all times unless they are married. Because clearly we cannot handle everyone being free – in ends up with some men becoming serial rapists and some women becoming serial false accusers – and since we have no clear cut system to determine who is telling the truth, its time to go back to “if we see you without a chaperone with someone without your wife, you probably had sex/affair.”

  41. Ahh yes, just when you start thinking racism and sexism were a thing of the past you read the comments section at reason.com and get jolted awake again. But then there is that little nagging doubt that the only readers of reason are teenage trolls and bots…I sure hope you’all aren’t adults. That would be sad and pathetic. Put on some pants, go out and engage the world!

    1. Posting on an internet comment section to complain about people you don’t know just to prove how mature you are.

  42. For the record, I don’t think any of the Democrats should resign.

    Unless more evidence comes out, Fairfax’s situation is a classic “he said, she said” and men shouldn’t be punished just because a woman says something and offers no proof other than her word.

    Because as any divorced man can tell you, women can and do lie in order to hurt their ex- lovers.

    Similarly, people shouldn’t be punished for dumbassed shit they did 40 years ago, especially when such shit was perceived to be harmless when they did it.

    Having said all that, I’m not the one who created all these New Rules of social behavior, and I must confess that I have been experiencing near-orgasmic levels of schadenfreude seeing all these proper liberals get hoisted on their own petards.

  43. Robby Soave hopping on the woke believe-all-women bandwagon again. Nothing to see here.

  44. The irony is that if the governor, lieutenant governor and attorney general all have to step aside, the Republican speaker of the house becomes governor. The further irony is that the House of Delegates would be equally divided between Democrats and Republicans, and a special election would have to be called. Given the closeness of the last regular election, the chances that the Democrats would win the special election and hence the House are very good.

    1. Exactly. The chances that the raping, blackface wearing KKK members would win the special election are really good.

      Ass.

  45. Anyone who knows about human memory knows how terrible it is especially about things that have a profound emotional impact. Neuroscience folks know this.

    Just reminded about this recently. Had a chance to get together with an old friend few weeks ago. Guy I have known since childhood. We had dinner and were talking over some adventures we had. Been some years.

    There was an incident, a time I remember very well, skipping details but remember it crystal clear, thought I would die in south side Chicago. I remember it was me and a female friend and how we escaped the gang threatening us.

    All of a sudden, I had not brought it up, he says something about the story and says he was there as well. There is zero memory of him being there in my brain. I could swear to it. Yet he remembers it. Perhaps I told him after and he thought he was there. Or my amyglyla hippocampus something just blocked that part out and he was.

    I have no idea. After all this time it does not matter.

  46. Wow. So WaPo just keeps getting caught sweeping these incidents under the carpet for Dem politicians… No corroboration they say… But will run with lunatic train style gang rape stories, even when others contradict them! Thank god we don’t have a biased media in this country, I’d REALLY hate to see what THAT looked like.

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