Government Shutdown

The Shutdown Was a Failure on Its Own Terms

It will leave us with a bigger, more powerful, and more fragile federal government.

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Olivier Douliery/SIPA/Newscom

The main thing we learned from the partial government shutdown that ended last week was something that was apparent before it started: Shutdowns don't work.

President Donald Trump's decision—and it was almost exclusively his decision—to shut down the government to pressure congressional Democrats into supporting a border wall was an abject failure on its own terms. It was also a clear defeat for anyone who favors a smaller, more limited government. If anything, it left us with a federal government that is slightly larger and more powerful than it was before.

Judged strictly as a tactic for extracting policy concessions, the ploy came up short. Although Trump spent most of the shutdown insisting that he would not accept any deal to reopen the government that did not include $5.7 billion for the construction of a barrier along the southern border, he caved in the end; the deal he accepted to reopen the government for three weeks included no significant concessions from Democrats

That's a huge defeat for a president who campaigned on an anti-immigration platform while touting his ability as a tough-minded dealmaker. Trump was simply outplayed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who understood how the shutdown would play out. Trump didn't, and by handing her an early win he has has empowered his primary political antagonist.

Pelosi is an effective political strategist, but the outcome in this case is less a result of some sort of unique genius on her part and more a product of Trump's incompetence and impetuousness. It was obvious from the beginning that Trump would lose, because Trump, who declared in December that he would be "proud to shut down the government for border security," was the one attempting to extract policy concessions by forcing a shutdown.

The clear lesson of past shutdowns is that this tactic not only fails, it backfires. When Republicans, led by Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, shut down the government over Obamacare in 2013, the health law briefly became more popular and Republicans folded in a matter of weeks. At the beginning of last year, Democrats briefly shut down the government over immigration demands; they folded when it became clear the public was against them. Attaching unrelated demands to a budget negotiation is a losing strategy.

This shutdown gave us the same essential dynamic, with the general public blaming Trump by a large margin (which seems fair, given that he said he was responsible) and even the president's core supporters trickling away as time went on. In the end, Trump gave in and got nothing in return. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of recent political history could have predicted that this was how it would play out. But apparently, that category does not include Donald Trump.

To be clear, I'm glad we won't end up with a wall. It's a bad idea based on bad premises, and it simply doesn't reflect the reality of immigration in the United States. But that doesn't mean the shutdown had no consequences.

For starters, it probably cost taxpayers money. Federal workers who went without paychecks will receive back pay. Federal contractors will be paid with interest. The economy probably suffered as a result of the shutdown, with an estimate from the Committee For a Responsible Federal Budget putting the toll at around $26 billion. The Congressional Budget Office estimated the cost to the economy at around $11 billion, though much of that will be recouped over time. At a press conference today, Larry Kudlow, Trump's top economic adviser, disputed the figure while offering no evidence to the contrary.

If there is a legislative outcome from this, meanwhile, it's likely to be a bill to pay federal workers during shutdowns. A number of Senate Republicans have come out in favor of such legislation, with Sen. Rob Portman (R–Ohio) touting a bill that would continue to fund federal agencies at existing levels should lawmakers fail to reach a budget deal, allowing for small reductions over time in order to encourage legislators to act. This would effectively put the budgets of federal agencies and the paychecks of federal workers on autopilot, like so much other federal spending.

And while we won't be getting a border wall, we may well end up with Trump declaring a state of emergency and trying to build a wall without legislative approval. Trump toyed with that idea during the shutdown, and in his remarks last Friday he all but announced his intention to use it when the current three-week deal is up if Democrats don't approve wall funding. At this point, it's fairly obvious they won't.

Any declaration of emergency by the president would almost certainly end up in court, and the challenge would probably last years, rendering it practically useless, at least in the short term. Yet declaring an emergency in this circumstance would still represent an executive power grab—a formal indication that Trump has no problems thwarting the will of Congress if doing so suits his political goals.

The final result of this shutdown, then, will probably be a government that costs taxpayers more, in which the paychecks of federal workers become permanently sacrosanct, with the stage set for the president to make a symbolic play to further expand executive power.

This result is all the worse because it was so predictable. No good was ever likely to come from this shutdown, and now that it is over (at least temporarily), it's clear that no good came of it.

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    1. Everyone apparently wants journalists to learn Morse code, but I don’t get how it’s supposed to help them stand out in a dying industry. Must be a hipster thing

      1. They should learn the Hays Code.

        1. Code of Hamurabi?

        2. Code of Silence! Even better.

          1. The Napoleonic code.

            1. The code of the hills.

  1. Trump’s incompetence and impetuousness

    Let Trump be Trump!

  2. Mr. Hassett said on Tuesday that the administration now calculates that the shutdown reduces quarterly economic growth by 0.13 percentage points for every week that it lasts ? the cumulative effect of lost work from contractors and furloughed federal employees who are not getting paid and who are investing and spending less as a result. That means that the economy has already lost nearly half a percentage point of growth from the four-week shutdown.

    Just think how much economic growth we’d have if the federal government doubled their workforce and doubled their pay!

    1. Suderman amazes me. He actually believes this shit. He actually thinks that the government spending money creates economic growth. Although it is sadly common, I still can’t help but stare at that kind of stupid.

      1. Perhaps he is staring too much at the CNN and MSNBC stupid. They made the same stupid point, day after day.

        1. Suderman believes whatever the herd of other DC journalists believe. He never says anything other than conventional wisdom.

      2. John, your reading comprehension has definitely declined. I dunno where SIV quoted that from but it’s not in Suderman’s post.

        1. I know it isn’t. But Sudderman says effectively the same thing above when he laments the damage done by the shut down.

        2. Yes it is, dumbass.
          RTFHREF:

          For starters, it probably cost taxpayers money. Federal workers who went without paychecks will receive back pay. Federal contractors will be paid with interest. The economy probably suffered as a result of the shutdown, with an estimate from the Committee For a Responsible Federal Budget putting the toll at around $26 billion. The Congressional Budget Office estimated the cost to the economy at around $11 billion, though much of that will be recouped over time. At a press conference today, Larry Kudlow, Trump’s top economic adviser, disputed the figure while offering no evidence to the contrary.

      3. Of course government spending produces growth. One may not always like which goods and services that spending is causing to be produced more.

        1. Or the way they go about getting that money in the first place.

          1. Perhaps, but anarchy, the only possible alternative, is worse, to most people’s thinking.

        2. “Of course government spending produces growth”

          Ahahahahha

          HE ACTUALLY SAID THIS!!!

          HE ACTUALLY THINKS SUBTRACTING TEN AND THEN ADDING 5 LEAVES YOU WITH MORE THAN YOU STARTED!!!

          250K of students loans Tony supposedly spent on education at work!

          1. The most disappointing thing about you is that you’re just so stupid.

          2. Ahahahahha
            HE ACTUALLY SAID THIS!!!

            Even Tony can publicly humiliate Tulpa?

            Every dollar of government spending coint is EXACTLY the same as every private dollar … toward GDP growth.
            You’ll learn this in high school. To pass,

            HE ACTUALLY THINKS SUBTRACTING TEN AND THEN ADDING 5 LEAVES YOU WITH MORE THAN YOU STARTED!!!

            You denied that 1 =1.

      4. The government spending money does create economic growth.

        The problem is that, in general, the government not spending the money would have resulted in more growth.

    2. The problem is that they paid the government workers who didn’t work for time not worked! At the very least they should have docked them their vacation and sick leave.

      Just imagine a homeowner doing this….

      “Joe, here’s $1,000 for not painting my house.”

      1. The problem is Trump fucked up. More than usual.
        And lost. More than usual.
        He cannot win. Coulter and Limbaugh won’t allow it.

        His own base is against the shutdown to pay for a wall. He agreed with a Dem compromise three times, then broke his word three every time. He is a media invention himself, so no balls against the media crazies who own him. Same reason ALL his actual businesses failed.

  3. Wait until the next long shutdown Suderman.

    That and laid off federal bureaucrats.

    1. The shutdown worked once, and will work again!

      1. You really are as dense as a brick aren’t you?

        1. It’s over. Deal with it. Trump backed himself into a corner, HE is incapable of getting out of.

          Just like you, he really believes one can win anything … if one is just strong enough … and nasty enough … and bellows enough. All you control freaks are broken inside, from losing in life. which just makes for nastier.
          The adults in the room can see how empty your life is. No daddy left you $400 million, so …..

  4. http://twitter.com/HotlineJosh…..2668061696

    More NBC/WSJ poll: Pelosi’s negatives shot up during government shutdown more than any pol // now the most unpopular politician tested in the survey

    That is an NBC poll. So I doubt it is slanted in favor of Republicans. And it is hard to square this with Suderman’s claims of her being a smooth political operator who won the shutdown.

    Maybe the poll is an outlier. But, all Suderman is doing here is repeating the Washington conventional wisdom his dingbat wife is feeding him. It would be nice if he did some work and research and put some thought into these things.

    1. And it is hard to square this with Suderman’s claims of her being a smooth political operator who won the shutdown.

      Except that she did win the shutdown.

      I would make the assumption that she became more unpopular because of that stupid speech her and Schumer did together, and because she was mean to AOC.

      1. How did she win the shutdown? If she had gotten the government funded for the full year without the wall, sure. But she didn’t get that. She got three weeks. I don’t see how that is winning when the price is your negatives going up that high.

        I don’t see how either side won. It was a draw that has been kicked down the road three weeks. Now both sides will spend three weeks trying to manuver the other into a position of having to cave. We will see then which side “wins” the shutdown if any. They might do another three week resolution and have another draw.

        1. How did she lose? He isn’t getting his stupid wall.

          1. Trump may well get his wall. He might do it with DOD funds or he might get it when the government shuts down again in three weeks. That issue has yet to be determined.

            Myabe you missed it but the government is only funded for three weeks. So the dreaded wall might actually still happen.

            1. If there is another shutdown, I hope to God they spare us the sob stories.

              1. Well at least we’ll be spared Eleanor’s Ragtime Band.
                Eleanor Goldberg
                ?Verified account

                @ESGoldberg
                Jan 24
                More
                While reporting today about federal workers who can’t afford tampons, I was laid off from HuffPost. If there’s anything I can say after 7 years, it’s that I will finish the story. (Also if you’re looking to hire a reporter to cover poverty and inequality, I’m available)

                1. federal workers who can’t afford tampons

                  Nice band name.

              2. I hope to God they spare us the sob stories.

                Like the sobbing families here?

                Death Benefits Denied to Families of Fallen Troops (Military Times)
                The families of four soldiers and one Marine killed in Afghanistan over the weekend have been told that they will be denied death benefits while the government shutdown continues, leaving at least one mother in despair and disbelief.

                The families will also be denied travel re-imbursement should they choose to go to Dover Air Force Base, Del., for the solemn return of the caskets of their loved ones, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

                UPDATE: The U.S. Defense Department has restored death benefits to families of troops killed in Afghanistan after the payments were suspended because of the government shutdown. The Pentagon partnered with the Fisher House Foundation to resume the benefits, including a $100,000 death gratuity payment.

                THE PENTAGON WAS FORCED — BY TRUMP — TO THE GET DOLLARS FROM A PRIVATE CHARITY … TO BURY OUR FALLEN HEROES AND HONOR THEIR FAMILIES.

                SHAMING AMERICA.

                NOW WILL TRUMPTARDS GROW SOME BALLS? OR CONTINUE SNEERING?

              1. 100% of the world wants you to fuck off Hihn.

                1. 100% of the world APPLAUDS you and Trump shitting on our fallen heroes???
                  That’s like you wiping your butt with the stars and stripes, when you SNEER at five dead military.

                  Death Benefits Denied to Families of Fallen Troops (Military Times)
                  The families of four soldiers and one Marine killed in Afghanistan over the weekend have been told that they will be denied death benefits while the government shutdown continues, leaving at least one mother in despair and disbelief.

                  The families will also be denied travel re-imbursement should they choose to go to Dover Air Force Base, Del., for the solemn return of the caskets of their loved ones, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

                  UPDATE: The U.S. Defense Department has restored death benefits to families of troops killed in Afghanistan after the payments were suspended because of the government shutdown. The Pentagon partnered with the Fisher House Foundation to resume the benefits, including a $100,000 death gratuity payment.

                  THE PENTAGON WAS FORCED — BY TRUMP — TO THE GET DOLLARS FROM A PRIVATE CHARITY … TO BURY OUR FALLEN HEROES AND HONOR THEIR FAMILIES.

                  SHAMING AMERICA.

                  NOW WILL TRUMPTARDS GROW SOME BALLS? OR CONTINUE SNEERING??

                  Disgusting

            2. Face it, Trump caved. The rational expectation when somebody caves, is that they’ll cave again. Because it’s harder to win the second confrontation, not easier, and you caved when it was easier.

              The time to have started building it with DOD funds was a couple weeks ago. The time to start using the RIF process to fire unessential workers was a couple weeks ago.

              This isn’t some clever strategy, he just caved.

              I think it’s very likely that McConnell didn’t give him any choice in the matter, that it was cave or the Senate would turn on him.

              1. Or Trump realized that Congressional Democrats were stirring and were on the verge of cutting a deal to override Pelosi. If this happened, they might have passed a budget with 2/3 of the Houses of Congress.

                This would have completely fucked up Trump’s plan.

                Since Trump “caved”, he is viewed as weak for the next round of budget talks so they Democrats think that they can hold firm and not cave to Trump.

                Trump does a 60 day shutdown next time, uses DoD funds to build the fence, and fires federal employees.

                There was not a single media leak about McConnell wavering. The GOP has leaks all the time, so I think your scenario is unlikely.

                Lefties think they won against Trump. Sound familiar?

                1. There was not a single media leak about McConnell wavering

                  Fly little snowbird fly. It was not a leak.

                  It was the Thursday meeting of GOP senators, which turned into a shouting match. McConnell was blamed for the FAILURE, to which he responded, “You think I enjoy this?” Losing.

                  You ALSO missed that Trump lost a majority in his own Senate! On the competing test vote, for a Dem and a Rep bill to end the shutdown. THE DEMS GOT MORE VOTES, IN A REP SENATE! While you were locked inside an echo chamber, six Republicans crossed over, but only one Democrat.

                  You’ll likely squeal they are wusses or RINO’s, because you just don’t know how to deal either. That’s why control freaks always lose, unless they already have absolute power.

                  It’s over. Deal with it.
                  Or die with Trump.
                  Crawl out of the tribal cave, into the sun.

              2. Trump BROKE the ONLY deal that can work … $25 million for a wall, and legal status for Dreamers.
                Now he’s GROVELING at Pelosi’s feet for less than 1/4 the amount … but still being an a-hole … so his core base of a-holes think he’s winning.

                They, like him, think winning means being strong and nothing else. Their lives are likely as big a failure as his. Control freaks can only win as dictators or as family business owners, which CAN be the same thing. But his base never got launched d with $400 million from a daddy, could lose it, and then be financed by Russian money laundering.

    2. Don’t know that it’s an outlier and, my estimation, it’s due to tactics. When the other side is willing to negotiate and you’re not, that’s not a good look. What principle drove Nancy? Border barriers have been voted for by Dems before, the guy bragged about his deportation record, and some employees were held hostage. The only motivating factor was “because Trump.”

      1. wareagle, are you short-changing Nancy’s new found morality?

        1. How clumsy of me; I meant to imply that her morality is non-existent.

      2. Hey, them grapes at Nancy’s vinyard aren’t going to pick themselves.

      3. The principle that drove her was, “We get our way, and that’s final.”.

        And it works for Democrats, because Republicans do eventually cave, because their leadership doesn’t really want to win these fights. The first clue should have been that Trump didn’t get his wall last year, when he had a majority in both chambers.

        1. Brett, even the GOP majority in both Houses of Congress needed Democrats to join to get 60 votes in the Senate to pass a budget.

          The Democrats would not do it.

          Trump’s only real plays for a border fence is Democrats cave or DoD resources.

          I think Trump signed the bloated defense bill last year to (1) keep military members out of the shutdown work with no pay and (2) to have “national defense” funds to build more of the border wall.

          I know some here think that everything Trump does is random, but it looks like he planned for this outcome.

          1. Trump’s only real plays for a border fence is Democrats cave or DoD resources.

            LOSER sneers at a win-win — PROVES the DEMAND for submission by ALL control freaks.
            Makes fool of self. BUT IS TOUGH.

            LIAR DENIES THAT TRUMP HAD AGREED TO A $25 MILLION WALL, AND LEGAL STATUS FOR DREAMERS. THEN BACKED OFF … BECAUSE NOT A TOTAL VICTORY.

            (This is Trump’s base)

      4. When the other side is willing to negotiate and you’re not, that’s not a good look

        EXACTLY why Trump FAILED.

        Was it not reported by Fox Pravda, that Trump broke THREE deals HE had negotiated?
        You SERIOUSLY never heard that his CAVE to Coulter was BREAKING A DEAL HE’D AGREED WITH.
        REALLY?

        Pelosi is blowing it by negotiating with an underling. She should negotiate directly with the one who holds the actual power, Coulter

        1. Poor loser. (smirk)
          Trump fails at it, how can a nobody win with the same tactics?

    3. Why?

      NBC is owned by Comcast who is doing very well under this administration.

  5. “Pelosi is an effective political strategist”

    She lost 19 favorability points in the polls and now she won’t get anything for the wall that’ll eventually get built

    1. She had a chance to get something real. Sure the 3 years on DACA wasn’t much, but she could have come back and offered five or seven and Trump would have a hard time saying no. But she didn’t do that partially because her supporters are bat shit insane who see sticking it to Trump as more important than actually accomplishing anything.

      The other thing is that if the shutdown had been a defeat for Trump, Suderman would be calling it that instead of playing pox on both sides this is terrible like he is here. One thing about Suderman is that he never tells the truth. So, if he is saying both sides lost, that means he thinks the Democrats lost and just can’t say so.

      1. If Trump was smart, he’d demand more, and offer less during this 3 weeks. A day or two before things shut down again he can simply announce it’s on the Dems.

        The time is OVER for the right to play soft ball with these nation destroying leftists fuckers. Compromise has been tried for decades, and nothing is ever good enough.

        1. That is EXACTLY why he LOSES.

          WIN-WIN IS NOT COMPROMISE! NOBODY NEGOTIATES SO THEY CAN LOSE.

          Nobody storms the barricades to … compromise!
          Would you make a deal, voluntarily, where YOU got nothing, and the OTHER side got everything?
          We understand why Trump cannot grasp that, but why can’t you?

    2. Laughable.
      Now she beat you too

      1. Shut up Hihn. No one cares what you think about anything.

        1. Fact-check: Five things President Trump said while announcing the shutdown is over

          (the first I’ve seen summarize all the many wall breeches. Edited for space. Original sources linked online

          Several instances of migrants going over existing wall structures or under the border came to light during the shutdown

          this week when a group of mostly Guatemalan asylum seekers breached the U.S.-Mexico border south of Yuma, Arizona, ? using a ladder to scale the border fence. ? Security-camera footage ?. 118 migrants. About 86 percent of them were families traveling together, the agency said.

          about a week after the largest single group of migrant families and minors ever recorded in the Yuma area tunneled underneath a border fence ? 376 migrants ? breached the U.S.-Mexico border ?

          ? Mexican law enforcement officials released a video showing a newly discovered tunnel ? the third tunnel found in the past couple of months.

          one ladder = 118 migrants OOPS

          Then again …. inconveeeeeen-yent truths, citing documented sources = trolling. (lol)

          1. FACT CHECK

            You are a dangerous lunatic. Go away Hihn. No one is going to engage you.

            1. No one is going to engage you.

              You just did!
              There’s nobody in the commentariat worthy of engaging. I’m here for the 80-90% who read but never comment. They keep telling me they’re afraid to. Because cyber-bullying and Political Correctness.

              ANOTHER ass-whupping on Trump … this one by a GURL!

              Border Agent Debunks Trump’s Case For A Wall To His Face: This Is A Tunnel Built Under Existing Wall

              U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed President Trump how enterprising border crossers have dug elaborate tunnels under walled off sections of the U.S.-Mexico border, “Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand. This is a tunnel,” she said, pointing to a photograph of the tunnel. “This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”

              She was not being paid (slave labor) … and is a woman, but SHE is protecting our borders
              a) on the job, and
              b) by publicly whupping Trump’s sorry ass. To his face

              Almost as well as Pelosi and Coulter have!

              1. >>>There’s nobody in the commentariat worthy of engaging.

                aw. slighted.

              2. How does a threesome with Ann and Nancy sound?

                1. the Wilsons? in.

                2. Fact-checking Trump’s claim on cost of illegal immigration, number of immigrants here illegally

                  ? Trump claimed illegal immigration cost the United States $250 billion a year. ? The right-leaning Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimated in a September 2017 report that the federal, state and local costs of more than 12.5 million people in the United States illegally was around $135 billion. After calculating this population’s tax contributions, the group said the total economic impact of illegal immigration was around $116 billion

                  Most estimates contradict Trump’s assertion that “there are at least” 25.7 million immigrants living in the country illegally. ? A December 2018 DHS report estimated that there were 12 million immigrants in the country illegally in January 2015. ? The three sets of estimates (from DHS, Pew, Center for Migration Studies) were “roughly similar,” the DHS report said

                  Fomenting hysteria, with lies = the Art of the Squeal for decades.

              3. “I’m here for the 80-90% who read but never comment. They keep telling me they’re afraid to. Because cyber-bullying”

                Damn… how many split personalities/socks do you have?

                1. Because cyber-bullying

                  They’re out of control!
                  Did he stick his tongue out? Or just whine?
                  Can he even grasp that he proved me correct?

                  1. Ha, just kidding with ya Buster Brown. You keep doing you, Hihn. The world needs to know about that Cato Survey.

                    1. Death Benefits Denied to Families of Fallen Troops (Military Times)
                      The families of four soldiers and one Marine killed in Afghanistan over the weekend have been told that they will be denied death benefits while the government shutdown continues, leaving at least one mother in despair and disbelief.

                      The families will also be denied travel re-imbursement should they choose to go to Dover Air Force Base, Del., for the solemn return of the caskets of their loved ones, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

                      UPDATE: The U.S. Defense Department has restored death benefits to families of troops killed in Afghanistan after the payments were suspended because of the government shutdown. The Pentagon partnered with the Fisher House Foundation to resume the benefits, including a $100,000 death gratuity payment.

                      THE PENTAGON WAS FORCED — BY TRUMP — TO THE GET DOLLARS FROM A PRIVATE CHARITY … TO BURY OUR FALLEN HEROES AND HONOR THEIR FAMILIES.

                      SHAMING AMERICA.

                      NOW WILL TRUMPTARDS GROW SOME BALLS? OR CONTINUE SNEERING?

                    2. Fuck off Hihn, and suck my dick in advance Zeb.

                    3. The El Chapo Trial Shows Trump Is All Wrong About Drugs
                      … no matter what the president says, the southern border is not how drugs come to America.

                      For eight weeks, a jury in Brooklyn federal court has been listening to witnesses recount how Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman moved tons of cocaine and heroin from Mexico to the United States, almost none of it?if any at all?across an unsecured stretch of border.

                      The makings of tens of thousands of overdoses was not backpacked across the desert by undocumented aliens. Much of it was smuggled by licensed drivers in vehicles through official points of entry, hidden in jalapeno pepper cans or frozen seafood or hidden compartments or wherever else might elude the searchers and their canines.

                      …. trains and ships and submarines, none of which would be hampered by a wall. And he did not use tunnels just to break out of a Mexican prison. He constructed more than 100 that ran under border barriers…

                      Trump BELEEBS that highly profitable drugs are carried in the small backpacks of unemployed migrants, swimming across the Rio Grande. OMFG

                      TRUMP negotiated $25 million in wall funding, with a path for Dreamers. ? but HE broke it, when Limbaugh attacked him for caving. Now he’s sniveling at Pelosi’s feet for less than 1/4 the dollars. The Art of the Squeal!

                    4. Trump’s golf course employed undocumented workers ? and then fired them amid showdown over border wall

                      POSSINING, N.Y ? They had spent years on the staff of Donald Trump’s golf club, winning employee-of-the-month awards and receiving glowing letters of recommendation. … Some were trusted enough to hold the keys to Eric Trump’s weekend home.

                      they were fired because they are undocumented immigrants,

                      The sudden firings ? which were previously unreported ? follow last year’s revelations of undocumented labor at a Trump club in New Jersey, where employees were subsequently dismissed. The firings show Trump’s business was relying on undocumented workers even as the president demanded a border wall to keep out such immigrants.

                      (smirk)

                    5. So Hihnfantile

  6. >>>Pelosi is an effective political strategist

    c’mon man. fallen upward since birth.

  7. Fact-check: Five things President Trump said while announcing the shutdown is over

    (the first I’ve seen summarize all the many wall breeches. Edited for space. Original sources linked online

    Several instances of migrants going over existing wall structures or under the border came to light during the shutdown

    this week when a group of mostly Guatemalan asylum seekers breached the U.S.-Mexico border south of Yuma, Arizona, ? using a ladder to scale the border fence. ? Security-camera footage ?. 118 migrants. About 86 percent of them were families traveling together, the agency said.

    about a week after the largest single group of migrant families and minors ever recorded in the Yuma area tunneled underneath a border fence ? 376 migrants ? breached the U.S.-Mexico border ?

    ? Mexican law enforcement officials released a video showing a newly discovered tunnel ? the third tunnel found in the past couple of months.

    one ladder = 118 migrants OOPS

    Then again …. inconveeeeeen-yent truths, citing documented sources = trolling. (lol)

  8. How does one beat the political party that has 90% of the media rooting for them? Spin this government shutdown anyway you want but, essentially, the great majority of Americans are only going to hear one spin.

    1. How does one beat the political party that has 90% of the media rooting for them?

      Ask President Trump.

      1. By being a loud mouthed jackass who doesn’t play by the rules. That’s how.

        1. Would you make a deal, freely, where YOU got nothing, and the OTHER side got everything?
          What if the other side responds by getting tougher … demanding a bigger win
          You MUST submit, totally, or HE is the pussy. (snort)

          Is there a teeter totter on the playground at your school?

    2. By getting your own media outlets. There’s no other way.

      Mind, if you don’t care if you lose, you won’t do that.

  9. Fact-checking Trump’s claim on cost of illegal immigration, number of immigrants here illegally
    ? Trump claimed illegal immigration cost the United States $250 billion a year. ? The right-leaning Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimated in a September 2017 report that the federal, state and local costs of more than 12.5 million people in the United States illegally was around $135 billion. After calculating this population’s tax contributions, the group said the total economic impact of illegal immigration was around $116 billion
    Most estimates contradict Trump’s assertion that “there are at least” 25.7 million immigrants living in the country illegally. ? A December 2018 DHS report estimated that there were 12 million immigrants in the country illegally in January 2015. ? The three sets of estimates (from DHS, Pew, Center for Migration Studies) were “roughly similar,” the DHS report said

    Fomenting hysteria, with lies = the Art of the Squeal for decades.

      1. Since you insist …

        The government shutdown cost the economy $11 billion, including a permanent $3 billion loss, Congressional Budget Office says

        To “win” $5.7 billion. (snort)

        Trump threatens another one! Do the math, Trumpsters.
        Trump threatens to spend $6 billion …. so he can spend $5.7 billion! … on a wall 72% of Americans do not want. THIS is how Trump had 12 business FAILURES … EVERY actual business. And was forced to pay a $25 million settlement for FRAUD … while in office.
        An office he DISGRACED.

  10. Pelosi is an effective political strategist, but the outcome in this case is less a result of some sort of unique genius on her part and more a product of Trump’s incompetence and impetuousness.

    The State of the Union thing was pretty sweet, and a lot of people didn’t see that coming and thought it was a bad idea when she did it. She knows how to twist his titty.

    But yeah it’s not hard to outwit a man who’s spent so many decades telling himself he’s smart that he forgot to learn to read books. The Republicans could have gotten all sorts of things out of him when they had unified control if only they weren’t such cowardly little bitches afraid that MAGA idiots will chase them down with their motorized wheelchairs.

    1. Shouldn’t you be out terrorizing some high school students or evil Catholics for the good of the cause?

      1. There’s John! As I could have guess, you’ve been out of commission what with a case of massive hemorrhagic butthurt over the poor MAGA teens, right?

        Drums in faces. Never forget.

        1. What a strange thing for you to be crying about Tony.

          1. There was a drum in his face. It was literally rape. Drum face rape.

            1. This is still a very strange thing for you to cry about.

            2. That savage was lucky he didn’t pull that shit on me… He’d have looked real funny trying to eat corn on the cob with no teeth!

              Plus, since I’m part buffalo fucker anyway, the media wouldn’t even be able to spin it into some bullshit racial story.

              1. The media downplayed Black on Black violence.

                You can be sure that they would spin AmerIndian on AmerIndian violence.

    2. And yet he beat the entire Democrat party in a presidential election.

      It’s amazing that you don’t realize how you sound.

      1. Use words like you know what English is.

        The Electoral College is an obsolete, destructive constitutional mistake dreamed up as a compromise centuries ago with people who owned slaves. That’s what beat the Democrats, not the American people voting. But hating brown people is certainly still going strong as far as that goes.

        1. “That’s what beat the Democrats”

          No Trump did, that’s why you’re upset. An idiot took down your best effort.

          “Use words like you know what English is.”

          I did, but you wasted 250k in student loans to get an education that left you too stupid to realize that fact.

          1. As long as we agree that his winning the election had nothing to do with being the more popular candidate among either Americans or American voters. And I’m the one who likes Venezuela-style politics?

            1. Use words like you know what English is. I don’t see the word “agree” anywhere in my post.

              Why did the 250k in student loans you took out not go towards improving your literacy?

              It seems knowing an idiot beat your best effforts has left you scrabbling for literally anything to say other than “we couldn’t beat an idiot.”

            2. Actual Americans, or all these shit immigrants we’ve had come in the last few decades?

              Because Trump overwhelmingly won with people who have been in this country more than 1 or 2 generations.

              Unfortunately bleeding heart morons like you allowed in too many fucking immigrants over the last few decades, told them they need not bother to assimilate, and now the people that conquered this country and built it up from nothing are being outvoted by morons that weren’t even in this country when my vintage Jaguar rolled off the assembly line.

              Don’t worry, I’m sure we’ll get it all sorted out good and proper before long.

              1. bleeding heart morons like you allowed in too many fucking immigrants over the last few decades

                I have very little in common with Ronald Reagan.

                Your ideas sound interesting and I’d be curious if you have a newsletter.

                1. LOL

                  One thing I WILL give you Tony, is you are kind of funny sometimes. When you’re not being too retarded.

                  That is actually one of the things I hate about Reagan. He was very much in the tank for the pro business, keep the wages suppressed crowd. I just don’t think anybody saw how shit showey things would get when we had so many new immigrants, mostly from waaay more dissimilar cultures than the last time we got close to these percentages.

                  But you bleeding hearts helped it all along. It was Teddy Kennedy’s stupid 1965 immigration act that borked the country. And shit libs are the ones fighting to keep it that way now too.

        2. That’s like saying that you didn’t really lose the baseball game, because the designated hitter rule is BS. Even if you’re right, you still did lose.

          Unless Hillary was a moron, she was trying to win in the electoral college, they both were. Trump succeeded. That’s what’s called “winning”.

    3. The State of the Union thing was pretty sweet, and a lot of people didn’t see that coming and thought it was a bad idea when she did it. She knows how to twist his titty.

      I don’t think it had anything to do with it. He could have had the SOTU somewhere else, or not have it at all. No biggie. Hell, he could have convened Congress and did it in the House anyway if he wanted to.

      1. He could have, but his ego wouldn’t let him, as he plainly told us.

        1. You Lefties don’t even realize that you’re talking with a fish hook in your mouth.

      2. Hell, he could have convened Congress and did it in the House anyway if he wanted to.

        I hope he tries. He’d be hauled away to jail.

        READ THE CONSTITUTION
        (SNICKER)

  11. The Torah commands us to rest on the Sabbath. It also decrees a ‘jubilee year’, which occurs every 50 years, and on which all slaves are set free: “Proclaim liberty throughout the lands.” Well that’s what the shutdown is: a jubilee. We learned we can live without the government and not all die. This is good practice. Of course, we must fight against an executive order and Portman’s abominable legislation (everything he does is an abomination). But otherwise the shutdown was a tremendous success. We learned how far the entire country will go to resist Trump’s authoritarian impulses. Rejoice, my people!

    1. It’s over. He lost. Deal with it.

  12. Federal workers who went without paychecks will receive back pay.

    Delayed payment for worked that was actually performed is “back pay”. Payment for work that was unquestionably not performed cannot credibly called “back pay”. This is charity.

    Those of us who are forced to exist in the real world call that situation a “layoff” and we don’t get pay, “back” or otherwise, for that time. Although it would be entertaining watching the heads explode of the “unfairness” if someone suggests the poor workers go without.

    1. You INSIST that Trump is SO FUCKING STUPID he did not know SHIT about THAT law either!!!

  13. It showed tens of millions of americans (that didn’t have to fly over the period) that 800,000k federal employees can stop showing up to work for 40 days and nothing less gets done.

    the tsa and federal parks should be privatized at any rate. are there any libertarian writers at reason? what’s this let’s make government efficient bullshit all you feckless cunts are spouting?

    1. The government shutdown cost the economy $11 billion, including a permanent $3 billion loss, Congressional Budget Office says

      To “win” $5.7 billion. (snort)

      Trump threatens another one! Do the math, Trumpsters.
      Trump threatens to spend $6 billion, to get …. $5.7 billion!
      This is HOW Trump had 12 business FAILURES … EVERY actual business.
      And was forced to pay a $25 million settlement for FRAUD … while in office.
      An office he DISGRACED.

  14. Furloughed federal workers: Learn to code.

  15. “If anything, it left us with a federal government that is slightly larger and more powerful than it was before.”

    Is there anything that doesn’t?

  16. “President Donald Trump’s decision?and it was almost exclusively his decision”

    When the Congress can’t pass a budget, it’s always the fault of the person we hate most.
    Orange Man BAD!

    Reason is such a clown show. If you want to oppose Trump, that’s fine, but do you have to be such morons about it?

  17. The only mistake, if he’s not just using the 3 week thing as a ploy, was caving.

    The truth is if somebody stuck to their guns, it would eventually work. Half the country didn’t give 2 fucks about the shutdown. It was mostly shitlibs who were hit, as they make up most federal employees. Trump had little to lose. He should have just kept it going.

    Weak kneed people like you Peter, can’t seem to understand the concept of having a spine. Trump may not have enough of one to get the job done either… Or he may be using the 3 weeks so that he can go straight back to another shut down, and then actually stick to his guns, simply to show how the Democrats are the ones holding up the parade. Who knows.

    Either way, being a spineless pussy doesn’t get anybody anywhere.

    1. The Lefties dont even realize that they are talking with a fish hook in their mouths.

      Trump had no reason to give in and allow 3 weeks of federal work unless he did have a reason.

      All IRS tax refunds will not be completed in 3 weeks, so that is not the major Trump strategy.

      Lefties did not even see that Trump and McConnell got a bloated defense budget and VA budget passed separate from appropriations to protect military folks from working with no pay and keep vets from having no access to medical care.

      That was September 2018.

    2. The real TDS = Trump Delusion Syndrome

      Half the country didn’t give 2 fucks about the shutdown.

      Only 7% of Voters Back Wall Funding to End Shutdown
      “Only 7 percent of American voters surveyed support giving Donald Trump funding for his Mexico border wall to end the U.S. government shutdown, according to a new poll. ?.his disapproval rating at an all-time-high.57 percent, believe it’s likely that Russia “has compromising information” on Trump.”

      69% of Americans Don’t Think Trump’s Border Wall Is a Priority

      They live far away, deep inside an echo chamber, cut off from the real world. By choice.

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  19. “Trump was simply outplayed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi,”

    More a matter of too many Republican Senators secretly being on Pelosi’s side, I think. A President can win a shutdown, but not if his own party in Congress isn’t on his side.

    The basic problem here for Trump is that the Republican establishment didn’t want to win this fight in the first place. If they had, Trump would have gotten his wall funding last year.

    1. The RINOs are always on the Left’s side it is just a matter of whether they can get away with abandoning Trump.

      When it comes to the border fence, they know that they can’t vote against border security or they’re out of Congress.

      The RINOs cannot pick a side where even some Democrats are okay with additional border security.

      1. It’s over. Deal with it. Trump backed himself into a corner, HE is incapable of getting out of.

        Just like you, he really believes one can win anything … if one is just strong enough … and nasty enough … and bellows enough. All you control freaks know nothing else.

        Would you make a deal, freely, where YOU got nothing, and the OTHER side got everything?
        What if the other side responds by getting tougher … demanding a bigger win

        You MUST submit, totally, or HE is the RINO pussy. (snort)

        Does your school have a teeter totter on the playground?

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