The Government Will Always Be Shut Down
Sure, Trump and Congress have reopened Washington for three weeks, but congressional dysfunction and border-enforcement fantasia are with us for the long haul.

President Donald Trump's announcement today that the federal government shutdown is ending for a three-week period of negotiations over border security may have put an end to the 35-day standoff. But there is no escaping the conclusion that the underlying dysfunctions and pathologies that got us to this shambolic point will continue long after this month is in the rearview mirror.
As long as Congress refuses to do its job, and as long as the Republican Party refuses to acknowledge that its monomania about security along the U.S.–Mexico border is based on ignorance, unmeetable expectations, and outright lies, we will be reenacting variations on this unpleasant experience for at least the next two years.
"I think part of the problem with politics is people aren't honest enough about what's going on. And there's a lot of bad going on," Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.) told Reason Editor in Chief Katherine Mangu-Ward last Friday at LibertyCon. Like his friend and fellow-traveler Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.), Amash has long been a leading critic of the myriad ways the legislative branch has serially abdicated its most basic of responsibilities in order to preserve electoral viability.
"What we have today is a speakership that is run very much top down," he told Mangu-Ward. "So the speaker dictates everything to everyone, and then all the legislation is take-it-or-leave-it. 'Here's a bill, take it or leave it.'…

"Under Speaker [Paul] Ryan we weren't allowed in the last term to even one time—not even one time!—vote on the House floor to amend legislation. It's the first time in our country's history. And people don't know that. First time in our country's history that members of Congress could not go to the House floor to offer amendments on any legislation. Never happened before….We had a record number of…take-it-or-leave-it bill[s]….So we never really got to legislate."
Congress hasn't passed a proper budget in more than two decades, it has let presidents wage undeclared wars all over the globe, and it has shown little interest in rolling back the executive branch's administrative state. Legislators from the same party as the president openly run interference for the commander in chief, rather than apply the kind of co-equal scrutiny they came into office vowing to exert. Things have gotten so irresponsible that the outgoing House Republican leadership last month tucked into a typically awful Farm Bill reauthorization a provision preventing the 115th Congress from applying the War Powers Act to Yemen.
All of these pathologies have been present in Washington for the entire 21st century; all are objectively getting worse. There is zero reason to expect this sorry trajectory to change.
The same can be said for conservative obsession with "securing the southern border." Both sides in that debate tend to argue as if the federal government hasn't been dumping money, personnel, and construction materials into that issue over the past two decades, and on a bipartisan basis. The number of border guards has doubled, the annual Customs and Border Protection budget has more than tripled, physical barriers have expanded from nearly non-existing to more 650 miles, and yet Republicans act as if nothing has ever been done and Democrats act as if such policies are unconscionable only when the other party does them.
But even though Democrats have not yet landed in a coherent space after the great two-party divergence on immigration beginning in around 2013, it's the restrictionists on the right—and in the White House—who have crossed over into a fantasyland that they show no sign of exiting.
It should tell us something profound that the administration can't seem to open its mouth about immigration-related issues without lying—about criminality, terrorist infiltration, the drug "pipeline," sanctuary cities, the diversity lottery visa, chain migration, illegal-immigrant voter fraud, its own reasons for asking about citizenship in the decennial Census, and so on. This is not just about a president uniquely perpendicular to the truth, though Trump did repeat some of his greatest whoppers this afternoon in the Rose Garden. The same broad sense of factually untethered dystopia has been a feature on the right since the end of the Cold War. Just ask Mitt Romney.
Hyperbole is a tool for those frustrated that facts alone haven't been persuasive enough. Fuse it with the emotions that the immigration issue generates, and the sense of powerlessness that many restrictionists have long felt vis-à-vis the Washington political class, and there's a potentially lavish reward structure for those who peddle dark fantasies about northbound migrants. Just ask Donald Trump. Or Ann Coulter.

The reality is far less exciting. As Nick Gillespie has pointed out in this space, "the number of illegal immigrants in the country is at a 10-year low and the number of people caught trying to enter the country illegally between checkpoints on the Southern border is one-fourth of what it was in 2000 (see chart). Compared to decades past, the majority of illegals enter the country legally and then overstay tourist, student, or work visas. In 2016, the Department of Homeland Security said 170,000 people entered the country illegally outside of border checkpoints while 628,000 people who entered the country legally overstayed visas."
So enjoy these next three weeks, as a do-nothing Congress matches wits with a hysterical president to see just how both sides can continue putting off their respective reckonings. As in today's temporary denouement, the safest bet will always be the option that requires exerting the least responsibility. The government will always be shut down, long after the government shutdown.
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Trump needs to take action one way or the other. I'm glad however, the shutdown is ending...
"Trump needs to take action one way or the other."
Take action from what exactly?
The libs cucked Trump! The Brown Hordes will continue their reign of terror!!!
Trump: Give me a wall or I'll shut down the government.
Pelosi: Fuck you.
T: Okay, government's shut down.
P: Let's compromise, you re-open the government and we'll talk about funding something besides a wall.
T: Okay, I'll give you what you want now in return for a promise that we'll discuss you giving me what I want later.
P: I can't believe promising to pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today has worked for 40 damn years, Republicans sure are stupid.
Nicely done.
Yup. This couple week extension isn't SO bad though. Trump is a fairly good sheister, and I wouldn't be surprised if he goes straight back to shutdown in a couple weeks, and just says "See, I was being reasonable! It's these asshole Dems!"
You're batting .500 today, Matt. I agree that Congress has been useless for quite some time now, but we do very much need that wall.
For what?
It will give President Occasional Cortex something to tear down.
OMG this made me laugh so hard....well done.
So...the wall is basically performance art. I would agree with that.
"we do very much need that wall."
The only people who need that wall are wall-building contractors losing money because of idle capacity.
it was lovely knowing life could be sit-norm w/o all that government in my face shame it has to end
Or, the border wall is just one side's symbology. Can't let them have that!
It couldn't be more retarded. Several of the bills proposed by the GOP to fund the wall specifically relied on closing tax loopholes and welfare spending for overstayed-visa-type illegal immigrants. But I suppose it's Welch and I should stop being surprised at the depths of his distinct partisan stupidity.
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Has there been some sort of government shutdown going on?
Shutdown over, shitdown continues....forever.
Government shutdown. What shutdown?
I for one am happy to see government back up and running so that it's safe to go outside once more. Without government to enforce the law of gravity, I've been afraid to set foot outside this past month.
Shutdown? Damn. I guess I missed that since all my interactions with the feds are done by and with computers.
(The first time I want into a constitution free zone (aka airport) after 9/11 was the last time)
I interact with the IRS and Social Security strictly via web sites. No humans involved. And those are the only two agencies I actually HAVE to deal with.
The shut down is over? Shit I better pay my quarterly.
the myriad ways the legislative branch has serially abdicated its most basic of responsibilities in order to preserve electoral viability
So why isn't this considered a phenomenal opportunity to create competition for the legislative branch? When a producer of a good is incompetent, competition arises to provide the good more efficiently to the consumer.
The constitution certainly creates a barrier to entry of competition. But it is NOT an insurmountable barrier. There are alternatives to having elections to select an alternative legislature. And the enumerated powers of congress depend far more than you might think on their electoral credibility not on the enumeration of those powers. IOW - a competitor might not be able to grab direct legislative powers - but it can turn the existing congress into an actual laughingstock that will force far more changes than one might think.
Convention of States. 😉
That still requires the dysfunction to be settled for a bit in order to happen.
I'm thinking of something where permission need not be asked
A government that either cannot or will not secure and defend its borders invalidates its claim to a monopoly on the legitimate use of force
So... North Korea is the only valid government left in the world, since East Germany was given back?
You make a good point below.
Above... not so much.
If I valued your opinion, this might mean something.
Congress hasn't passed a proper budget in more than two decades, it has let presidents wage undeclared wars all over the globe, and it has shown little interest in rolling back the executive branch's administrative state. Legislators from the same party as the president openly run interference for the commander in chief, rather than apply the kind of co-equal scrutiny they came into office vowing to exert. Things have gotten so irresponsible that the outgoing House Republican leadership last month tucked into a typically awful Farm Bill reauthorization a provision preventing the 115th Congress from applying the War Powers Act to Yemen.
All of these pathologies have been present in Washington for the entire 21st century; all are objectively getting worse. There is zero reason to expect this sorry trajectory to change.
Oh, lighten up, Matt! It'll probably change when Medicare goes bust in a few years!
" In 2016, the Department of Homeland Security said 170,000 people entered the country illegally outside of border checkpoints while 628,000 people who entered the country legally overstayed visas."
I'll bet the 170,000 sneakers committed far more crime than the visa overstayers. Their crime rate is certainly very high and is what the wall would prevent.
So, sorry, Matt, your argument is crap.
PROOF. It's also called a link.
"I'll bet the 170,000 sneakers committed far more crime than the visa overstayers. Their crime rate is certainly very high and is what the wall would prevent."
Well, your faith is commendable, if uselessly wrong.
The cornerstone of your hypothesis is that people who want to get into the U.S. to commit crimes don't want to do so badly enough to purchase an airline ticket.
You DO know we won't legally allow in lots of people with criminal histories right? And we catch shit tons of criminals and deport them every year? And those same criminals magically show up here again over and over again right?
You're just a retard. I'm originally from California, and I've seen how sketchy a lot of Hispanic immigrants are. I'm part beaner myself, but it's simply a fact that Hispanics are the 2nd highest crime ethnic group in the USA, after blacks of course. 16% of population and ~35% of murders according to the FBI!
"You DO know we won't legally allow in lots of people with criminal histories right?"
You DO know I never said otherwise, right? I mean, I'd hate to ruin a perfectly good rant, but when you go off whining that the argument I never made is stupid, that doesn't say a damn thing about me.
No, you made an idiotic point, James, and now you're trying to play it off by saying that you didn't say what you said.
You said that it was not a reasonable inference that illegal aliens who cross the border by land commit crimes at a higher rate than those who fly in.
You implicitly assume that any criminal can just hop on a plane to the US, thus one can't claim that the mode of travel has any bearing on expectations of criminality.
Vek points out that those who arrive via flight have first to be approved for a Visa, which specifically screens against criminality, while those who sneak across the border are necessarily not screened (for criminality or anything else).
A point of distinction obvious to all but the most dull witted.
" you're trying to play it off by saying that you didn't say what you said.
You said that it was not a reasonable inference that illegal aliens who cross the border by land commit crimes at a higher rate than those who fly in."
Dimwit, I didn't say that, either.
"You implicitly assume that any criminal can just hop on a plane to the US, thus one can't claim that the mode of travel has any bearing on expectations of criminality."
Not even close.
"Vek points out that those who arrive via flight have first to be approved for a Visa, which specifically screens against criminality"
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with people who enter uninspected.
"A point of distinction obvious to all but the most dull witted."
You want SO desperately to make my argument fit your preconceived ideas, you can't imagine that there are other arguments. Who's the dull-witted one?
Let me help you. You may not be able to follow along, because it's a thought experiment, and you seem distinctly lacking in capability for thought, but there's still at least a slim chance.
Let's imagine that Trump somehow finds a way to make a 100% totally impregnable wall, which runs all along the length of the US Southern border. It works, it always works, and it never causes any other sort of problem. It's the sort of perfect structure that never seems to exist in reality, but in this thought experiment, there it is. It's so perfect, that graffitt doesn't even stick to it, and it stand pristine.
No, there are some bad guys who are on the wrong side of the wall. They know, absolutely, that the wall is impenetrable. So they go buy an airline ticket, and travel to, say, Vancouver, where they can walk from the airport to... an utterly undefended border.
Of course, the drug cartels won't use airlines, they'll just buy boats. They have to run the Coast Guard patrols, but if they get through those, they hit the massive fortifications all along the Pacific and Atlantic coastlines, right?
You're full of insults for me, and yet you're clearly stupider, and by a considerable margin.
Criminals do criminal things Vek.
They don't respect borders.
To me a big issue is the tradeoff between security and autonomy.
We seem as a country to be losing in privacy, property rights and liberty.
The government is not here to protect culture. It is not here to protect us from free trade and association.
That is our own business.
Yes, 620,000 people overstayed their visas.
What does this mean, exactly?
Well, a bunch missed flights. That's a huge group. Another bunch were dealing with paperwork issues. That's the bulk of them. Some of the remainder ARE paperwork errors--people whose visas didn't actually run out. There are also people who left unaccounted for. And those who passed away. And, of course, those who were planning on illegally immigrating.
All of your mitigating facts rest on conflating actual illegal immgrants with law abiding people.
Because, when all factors are controlled for--we need a wall. Or, at the very least, far better border security than we have. A fence.
So Congress is not doing what we elected them to do. The blame has to include at least one of these:
1. Who got elected.
2. Who did the electing.
3. How we did the electing.
We should not expect anything different (except, perhaps, things getting worse) until we fix whatever is wrong.
So Congress is not doing what we elected them to do.
It wasn't Congress that promised to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it. That was Trump.
Or did you mean something else?
3. How we did the electing.
I do think it is high time to have a discussion about having a more parliamentary system of government. Because quite frankly that is what we are trending towards anyway, but within the confines of a system built to thwart parliamentary type decision making.
Here here! Rabble rabble rabble...
Fuck the wall.
I want a congress that has some independence and balls. And are not always worrying about getting re-elected, and so constantly pandering to their party and party leaders.
Maybe longer single terms for the House and Senate.
Exactly.
After all as they say "You don't get the government you want, you get the government you deserve"....
So, until people start really educating themselves on who they are voting for, and the policies they represent...looking past the baloney spin and dig into the actual meat, then nothing will change.
Unfortunately we have become too much of a nation of "instant gratification" and teams...and too many people have lost sight of the founding values and ideals... and of course knowing what government's actual job is.
So until we as voters do a better job of picking better people to be in office, nothing will change.
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Republicans seem to be wising up. Finally. That 80-90% of Republicans who support Trump actually support their party. A staggering 43% want a different choice in 2020.
The latest Maris poll shows only a third of voters are sure Trump isn't being influenced by Putin!
And that Senate standoff between a Dem and Rep bill shows Trump did not have a majority in the GOP Senate, Six Republicans voted for the Dem bill, and only one Dem voted for the Republican bill,
And that was before Pelosi finished kicking his ass to the curb.
Well I didn't vote for anyone who won, so if they're doing nothing that's the best possible outcome. As long as they skip the backpay this time.
Death Benefits Denied to Families of Fallen Troops (Military Times)
The families of four soldiers and one Marine killed in Afghanistan over the weekend have been told that they will be denied death benefits while the government shutdown continues, leaving at least one mother in despair and disbelief.
The families will also be denied travel re-imbursement should they choose to go to Dover Air Force Base, Del., for the solemn return of the caskets of their loved ones, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.
UPDATE: The U.S. Defense Department has restored death benefits to families of troops killed in Afghanistan after the payments were suspended because of the government shutdown. The Pentagon partnered with the Fisher House Foundation to resume the benefits, including a $100,000 death gratuity payment. here.
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THE PENTAGON WAS FORCED -- BY TRUMP -- TO THE GET DOLLARS FROM A PRIVATE CHARITY
NOW WILL TRUMPTARDS GROW SOME BALLS?
I guess you missed the headlines while you were busy formating and stuff.
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Yes you do. And you also gotta whine some more.
I guess you misread the Military Times. I'm still wondering when Trumpsters will grow some balls.
While Trump shut down our government, because he failed his major campaign promise, China made the first landing on the dark side of the moon.
Trump has backed himself into a corner, whatever he does on the wall now, he'll get his ass kicked again by a Gurl -- Coulter or Pelosi, Even Fox News reports that he "caved," when Pelosi called his bluff.
Here's the deal. If your complaint is that there are too many illegals in the country, the problem is not inadequate border walls. Jetliners fly at 30,000 feet.
The problem is that, for several decades, the Congress has capped the number of people who can hear deportation cases at a level that is held far too low. Partisans take note: This was true when the R's ran the Congress, and also when the D's ran the Congress, and true when control of the Congress was split. It also goes back through both flavors of Presidents, all the way back to Reagan.
This means that the line of people waiting for a deportation hearing was far, far longer than the number of people who could actually get one. So each President, back to Reagan, and implemented basically the same policy: Three categories get shown to the front of the line: Recent arrivals, persons convicted of crimes while in the U.S., and repeat deportees. With them going towards the front of the line, almost everybody else was far enough back in line to not get a deportation hearing, meaning they didn't get deported, and they stayed year after year. President Obama said "hey, I'm going to move the illegals who were brought here as children, and raised in America, all the way to the back of the line, after everybody else".
Do some math. If the border magically became 100% secure... not just the border with Mexico, but the Canadian and sea borders as well, and all the airports, suddenly no longer admit people who aren't legally allowed to be here... then the 400,000 or so deportation hearings available would go to people who've previously been too far back in the line. But there's 20,000,000 or so of them, so... magically sealed borders gets us illegal-immigrant free in just 20,000,000/400,000 years. That's 50 years or so (complicating factors... some will die here without ever facing a deportation hearing, and towards the end it gets harder and harder to find them, because the easy-to-find ones will have already been sent off.)
You make a good point.
In addition to stopping the tide of illegal entry and Visa overstays, more judges for deportation and asylum hearings are required.
Yup. There's no excuse for not dealing with people we know overstayed visas.
There's one excuse. We only have around 400,000 deportation hearings, and we prefer to give them to people who've committed crimes, people we just caught at the border, and people who've been deported before. This means that people who came legally and stayed after their legal status ran out are further back in the line, and we run out of available hearings before we get to them.
WHY do we have only 400,000 deportation hearings to hand out? Because Congress capped the number of people who can hear them.
True fact: A couple of years ago, President Obama went to Congress and asked for authority to increase the number of deportation hearings. The R's running Congress didn't even both to hold a hearing to talk about it, because if O was for it, they was agin it, whatever "it" it was. AFAIK, Trump hasn't even asked for this authority, because the magic border wall appeals to the folks who show up at his rallies, and they cheer when he talks about it.
Hey--all your links seem to have fallen off.
You... need a link to know that Trump fans cheer when he talks about building a wall?
"restrictionists" are GREAT when COMMUNISTS are on the verge of taking over this country by invasion. The government is deadlocked because the left decided to be FULL-ON socialists/communists in the 21st Century and there is still a lot of Americans/Politicians who aren't ready to be another FALLEN communist society.
The Constitution has been IGNORED for years - allowing such mob rule voting to do whatever it wanted. It is a "Cold War" from within and the system is frozen until either Communism of the Constitution starts to win.
Visa overstays are like 2% of the 25 million odd visitors to the US each year. Stayed past their expiration date on their visas that makes them technically "illegal". Canadians and Brits are the highest numbers. US knows exactly who these people are and most are from exempt countries. Visitors from non-exempt countries to request a visa, get screened by the state department to verify they aren't criminals or terrorists, and have a legitimate reason to be in US on a temporary basis. By overstaying they risk being denied future approval to US. They are low risk and almost all leave on their own.
On the other, we don't have a clue who is crossing the border illegally. We do know there many are people who have been previously deported and often includes criminals, rapist, drug dealers and drug carriers.
So this business citing visa overstays as a problem comparable to illegals immigration is pretty much bs. Similar to illegal commits crime at rates less than permanent residents. Truth there is we really don't know because police reports don't track illegals.
This nation needs a government reboot.
its broken beyond repair
Just leave it unplugged. None of it is necessary.
That sneering is WHY progressives are kicking our butt for decades on health care.
Actually; Previous non-government involvement kicked "butts" for centuries on affordability and access. Since government regulation and socialism - it seems there will always be a health-care crisis.
-- AMA didn't fix it
-- Prescription Patenting didn't fix it
-- Medicaid didn't fix it
-- HMOs didn't fix it
-- Subsidies didn't fix it
-- Obamacare didn't fix it
And the price before all the above happened? 1% of the price it is today.
https://mises.org /wire /how-government- regulations-made- healthcare-so-expensive
The AMA made it worse. They were able to get the Clinton administration to cap the amount of residencies to 100,000 residents. Thus creating a contrived shortage of doctors. LBJ's Medicare legislation included residencies being paid for through Medicare taxes.
"Thus creating a contrived shortage of doctors"
The shortage of doctors isn't so much that there aren't enough of them... it's that none of them can make enough money to pay off medical school while serving the areas that need them the most.
Revolution Version 2.0 is definitely needed. We're putting up with 100x the bullshit that George Washington did.
Who cares. There's too much government and I didn't miss it at all AND I am one of the people!! Somreally! Who cares about a bunch of dysfunctional sociopaths. Give Thanks that there is little Government when it is shut down.
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We can hope.
But it's 25 percent shut down already, since they're only paying for three quarters of it on a regular basis.
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The fact that more stay here illegally by overstaying visas doesn't mean that the 170,000 who cross illegally isn't also a problem. Why is Reason insistent on aiding the left in turning America into a mestizo nation?
Mestizo nation.
If any of them can cook send 'em up north. Nothing but chain restaurant Mexican up here.
Must be lunchtime. Read the post and first thing I thought of is I can't remember the last time I had a decent enchilada.
That is one of the jobs Americans won't do -- cook something that doesn't taste like greasy cardboard. There's plenty of good home cooking, but outside not so much.
Americans will cook and we have food. In the world probably the best known and enjoyed are burgers and KFC style fried chicken.
Don't put those down. They are everywhere and you can fancy it up all you want.
There are also regional foods like Cajun for example.
I agree if you want good stuff hard to find in restaurants.
It's all fine and well to have a few percent Mexicans (or anybody else for that matter) floating around... It's an entirely different thing to have an entire state switch over to being dominated by a foreign culture... Especially when it's one that is a lot jankier than the one you had. So says a native Californian.
Foreign culture is a very funny term to use when talking about Californian culture especially when describing Mexicans as the foreigners.
San Diego. Settled by the Germans. It means "a whale's vagina"
Sounds like some folks I know where I live. It is fine to have a few Jews or Blacks around but...
I am not making this up. I have heard people say these things here.
Libertarians do not care about your culture.
Because this is no longer a true Libertarian site. It has become more progressive than Libertarian.
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So Matt has read the 2018 ICE Report and can show that everything in it is a fabrication?
Look, Republican National Socialism calls for a fence, then wall in its 2016 and 2018 platforms dedicated to First Responders? with guns and immigration planks copied from Hitler's 1920 platform. This is close to the part about amending the Constitution to force women into unwanted labor, and to shoot hippies and brown people over plant leaves. They won the election because the Dem platforms offered pretty much the same thing--but insist on a Carbon Tax and de-industrialization of everywhere except communist China... plus communist Chinese taxation and regulations. We have nazis trying to ban birth control versus communists trying to ban electricity. THAT is the full context.
LMAO!! When you start your comment with childish namecalling, the rest becomes irrelvant. You are a shining example of the real problem. You assume a position of moral and intellectual superiority over anyone who dares to hold, much less express a different opinion or point of view. You make ridiculous claims based on nothing more than partisan spin when the actual proof shows a very different picture. For example, the GOP is not attempting to ban birth control. All they have opposed is FORCING employers to pay for forms of birth control they oppose for religious reasons. The problem is people like you think your rights override the rights of others and seek to use laws and the courts to do so. You misrepresent the truth to try and gather support which again is the crux of the problem
I won't bother to read whatever elaborate strawmen and outright lies Matt Belch has spewed here, beyond the headline and subtitle.
Let's pretend that Matt Belch merely criticized the particular degree of emphasis and weight that "the right" is allegedly assigning to the priority of immigration policy issues.
Immigration consistently ranks as the most important issue by an unbelievably high percentage of the electorate -- including a broad spectrum of Democrats and other groups. Politicians have been notoriously untrustworthy concerning immigration issues, often promising one thing only to do the opposite. Republican politicians have been particularly untrustworthy, while Democrats have become laughably but dangerously extremist, in effect supporting an open borders policy of accepting anyone who enters. So it makes sense in the political context.
More fundamentally, immigration is, without dispute, one of the most impactful and consequential policies that the federal government can possibly set, in its long term effect on individuals, politics, and the country as a whole.
What that chart really shows is 58 years of millions of apprehensions, and millions more not apprehended. Today those apprehended are claiming asylum, and many times being released into the country. And that is just between the ports of entry. Add in the millions of visa overstays and we have a huge problem.
I really wish people who live far from the southern border would stop being so arrogant in their opposition to border security. When you are forced to live with the realities of uncontrolled, illegal immigration, then I will listen to your arguments there is no problem. However the reason for the problem is DC are simple. The word and concept of compromise have become unacceptable. The Constitution created a system that cannot work without compromise because the intent was to prevent tyranny and any one branch having too much power. It demands compromise to work. Without a willingness to compromise, governing is impossible. The problem is we have groups on the left and right who view compromise as weakness and refuse to accept it as the basis for governing. As long as that mentality remains, so will these pointless and costly fights. Sadly we have the Democrats who are only moving farther left and becoming more entrenched in their refusal to compromise for the good of all rather than just themselves
"I really wish people who live far from the southern border would stop being so arrogant in their opposition to border security.'
I live far from the southern border, and I'd like to ask if you make a distinction between "border security" and "Trump's stupid wall", because they are just about totally UNrelated. (Hint: Building Trump's stupid wall just moves the point where the illegal immigrants will enter. If that was your goal all along, then you get your $5.7B worth. If that is NOT your goal, you now get to try and solve the problem, only with several billion fewer dollars available to do it with.)
"When you are forced to live with the realities of uncontrolled, illegal immigration, then I will listen to your arguments"
What on Earth makes you think I don't? (Hint: The illegals leave the border and go to... get this... OTHER PARTS of the U.S.)