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Reason Roundup

Kirsten Gillibrand Announces Presidential Candidacy, Gets Slammed for Al Franken's Political Demise: Reason Roundup

Plus: optimism about the end of liberalism and Marco Rubio's new tech bill.

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 1.16.2019 9:30 AM

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Kirsten Gillibrand is officially "preparing to run for president," the New York senator announced Monday evening. Gillibrand, a two-term senator, has gained influence in recent years for efforts related to sexual assault victims, including championing Title IX overreach on college campuses and, more recently, positioning herself as a leader in the #MeToo movement.

"In November, she said that Bill Clinton should have resigned the presidency over his affair with Monica Lewinsky," notes HuffPost. "And then the following month, she became the first Democratic senator to publicly call on then-Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to go after multiple women accused him of engaging in sexual misconduct. Franken announced his resignation the following day."

Upon quasi-announcing her presidential candidacy yesterday, Gillibrand was immediately greeted with criticism from fellow Democrats (of both the donor and anonymous commenter variety) for leading the charge for Franken to resign.

99% of the responses to @SenGillibrand announcing for president are Democrats mad at her over Al Franken. Seriously. Read for yourself. https://t.co/hLspWXfLK0

— Chris DeRose (@chrisderose) January 16, 2019

HuffPost suggests this isn't fair, since "Gillibrand wasn't the only senator to publicly call on Franken to step down" and was the first "only by minutes." Eventually, a "wave of female senators… were eventually joined by many of their male colleagues on the same day" and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) "reportedly told Franken in private that he needed to go beforehand."

Yes, but those senators aren't running for president (yet). And Gillibrand didn't just join in but was at the forefront of calls for Franken's resignation.

Regardless of whether this is based on sincere committments (some, like mega-donor George Soros, have suggested otherwise), Gillibrand has long used sexual harassment and assault issues as a personal publicity platform and to push the Democratic Party's policy agenda. It's not irrelevant to bring up these things when considering how she would govern as a potential president.

FREE MINDS

A bad spot for liberalism, but not the end. Robert Kagan's The Jungle Grows Back "ends up in much the same place as every other liberal world order sermon," writes Damir Marusic in a review at The American Interest. That is:

The ideological struggle of our time is between the forces of light (the liberal followers of Enlightenment principles) and the forces of darkness (the obscurantist reactionaries to that tradition). Americans, the purest children of the Enlightenment, may think the struggle has long ago been won, but they are wrong—as wrong as the naifs who refused to confront illiberalism in the 1930s.

But Kagan's tone is ultimately very different. He counsels steely resolve rather than moral panic: "To know that the jungle will always be there is not to despair of keeping it at bay, as we have done for decades."

Read the whole thing here.

FREE MARKETS

Uh-oh. Republican Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) is introducing a bill today "tasking the Federal Trade Commission with recommending, and Congress with finalizing, national rules for companies like Google and Facebook," reports Axios.

"It is critical that we do not create a regulatory environment that entrenches big tech corporations," said Rubio in a statement. "Congress must act, but it is even more important that Congress act responsibly to create a transparent, digital environment that maximizes consumer welfare over corporate welfare."

The bill has yet to find any co-sponsors. It faces a competing bill, introduced in December, from Democrats.

QUICK HITS

  • William Barr was grilled before members of Congress yesterday. Watch highlights of his confirmation hearing here. Read Reason's C.J. Ciaramella on yesterday's hearings here.
  • Is the #10YearChallenge just a scam to stoke facial aging algorithms?
  • Germany is banning Amazon Dash buttons because they make it too easy for people to shop without comparing prices.
  • A new caravan of migrants from Honduras is on its way through Guatemala, giving the president more fodder for fueling insane invasion fantasies:

A big new Caravan is heading up to our Southern Border from Honduras. Tell Nancy and Chuck that a drone flying around will not stop them. Only a Wall will work. Only a Wall, or Steel Barrier, will keep our Country safe! Stop playing political games and end the Shutdown!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 15, 2019

  • Churches taking in migrants face problems from federal agents.
  • David French at National Review suggests that in investigating President Donald Trump, "the FBI wasn't abusing its power. It was fulfilling the mission the president gave it."
  • A DC brewery is suing the government over beer about to go bad before it can be sold legally thanks to the partial government shutdown.
  • Sears has been saved.
  • Podcast recommendation:

Everyone should check out the latest issue of @PowerProblems: an awesome discussion with @AlexNowrasteh about the government shutdown, the wall, and whether immigrants pose a national security threat.https://t.co/hIgIP3PgzF

— Emma Ashford (@EmmaMAshford) January 15, 2019

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Gillibrand, a two-term senator, has gained influence in recent years for efforts related to sexual assault victims, including championing Title IX overreach on college campuses and, more recently, positioning herself as a leader in the #MeToo movement.

    Perfect timing. The movement should be just about over by the time she gets geared up.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      Hello.

      "In November, she said that Bill Clinton should have resigned the presidency over his affair with Monica Lewinsky,"

      Lol.

      Looks at watch. Better late than never?

      I wonder what she thought about it, you know, when it happened?

      Just what you want in a leader. Someone standing in from of a childish Kava-Nope sign.

    2. a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf   6 years ago

      She's the one who used to be an upstate Republican House member, then switched sides when a Senator slot opened up, right? The definition of opportunist. Well, I bet opportunity comes a-knocking in a form she won't like at an inopportune time not of her choosing.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

        Kinda of like changing an I to a D to run for president?

  2. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 years ago

    A cock-sucking Obamafag in the JournoList spreads fake news about Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence and the White House meal, and the 19 year old phenom politely but firmly smacks his ass down like he did the Crimson Tide.

    I like you already kid. It really sucks that you're already being turned into a pawn by these lowlife scumbags, but get used to it because it's the price of fame these days!

    1. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

      A cock-sucking Obamafag

      Lol ur gay.

      1. $park? The Misanthrope   6 years ago

        Only a cock sucking Obamafag would make it sound like a college football player was expressing extreme patriotism and love of Trump.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    It is critical that we do not create a regulatory environment that entrenches big tech corporations...

    If he's talking about some crazy how ending regulatory capture, he needn't stop with tech companies.

  4. $park? The Misanthrope   6 years ago

    Everyone should check out the latest issue of @PowerProblems: an awesome discussion with @AlexNowrasteh about the government shutdown, the wall, and whether immigrants pose a national security threat.https://t.co/hIgIP3PgzF

    ? Emma Ashford (@EmmaMAshford) January 15, 2019

    Well I'm not going to just out of spite.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    A new caravan of migrants from Honduras is on its way through Guatemala...

    If Mexico is letting them through, doesn't it mean it's letting them in? Is Guatemala or Mexico so bad? Maybe the migrants can just keep telling country after country, "It's not you we want; it's the next one north."

    1. Rich   6 years ago

      "Oh, Canada!"

      1. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

        I just realized something. Kanuckistanis took "in all thy sons command" and replaced it with "in all of us command" in order to be the Great Woke North. But "our home and native land" seems just as problematic.

        1. Brian   6 years ago

          "Our home and open land?"

        2. Mickey Rat   6 years ago

          Not to mention "true patriot love".

    2. H. Farnham   6 years ago

      Santa could use that cheap workforce.

  6. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 years ago

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg cancels planned public appearance in Los Angels on the 29th due to her so-called "recovery", ROFLMAO.

    Today is officially going to be "sick day" number seven by the way.

    1. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

      We'll never know the day she dies because they'll weekend at Bernies her until 2024

      1. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 years ago

        Yeah, the White House should get obtain a writ of habeus corpus every couple of months or so, because the left-wing scumbags are definitely going to try to hide the news of her death for as long as they can possibly can.

        In fact, pretty much nobody knows with certainty where she actually is right now.

        1. Unable2Reason   6 years ago

          Sort of like L Ron Hubbard.

      2. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

        /propped up Ginsburg on her seat.

        "4-4 with one abstaining - again."

        /everyone laughs.

        A dead Ginsburg is better than a live Kavanope!

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

        Apparently Sears is the Weekend at Bernie's retail equivalent.

        1. Earth Skeptic   6 years ago

          So RBG is at Sears?

      4. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        Classic Weekend at Bernies.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Germany is banning Amazon Dash buttons because they make it too easy for people to shop without comparing prices.

    If they're not banning buttons, Germany is forcing people to wear them.

    1. BYODB   6 years ago

      Ouch!

  8. Rockabilly   6 years ago

    Democrats have been angry with Russia since they dissolved the Soviet Union thus proving again, the failure of socialism. .

  9. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

    Accountability for Brexit

    DeadExit?

    1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

      Those idiots couldn't manage a 2 car funeral.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    "To know that the jungle will always be there is not to despair of keeping it at bay, as we have done for decades."

    Problematic.

  11. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

    China will defend Taiwan 'at any cost' if US intervenes in island's independence: report

    The Commies always wanting to defend you against self-rule.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

      The headline there and the first sentence say very different things with only a single added word.

      1. a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf   6 years ago

        Three added words: "its claim to".

  12. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    A big new Caravan is heading up to our Southern Border from Honduras. Tell Nancy and Chuck that a drone flying around will not stop them. Only a Wall will work. Only a Wall, or Steel Barrier, will keep our Country safe! Stop playing political games and end the Shutdown!
    ? Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 15, 2019

    What's Democrats' problem? Why don't they want federal workers back on the job?

    1. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

      Trump is wrong. Democrats loved it when Obama used drones on brown people

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

        And families.

      2. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        And an American dad and his son.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Is the #10YearChallenge just a scam to stoke facial aging algorithms?

    It's a scam either way. But for kicks let's see what Biden, Hillary or Warren would look like at the end of a second term.

    1. Rich   6 years ago

      Here's the result.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

        More like wail to the chief. Am I right, people?

        1. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

          Yes, you are right.

  14. Rich   6 years ago

    Germany is banning Amazon Dash buttons because they make it too easy for people to shop without comparing prices.

    Oh, FFS!

    "Moreover, when you submit your tax forms, you are required to show justification of why you did or did not change your residence."

  15. Bee Tagger   6 years ago

    Germany is banning Amazon Dash buttons because they make it too easy for people to shop without comparing prices.

    shoppinfreude

    1. $park? The Misanthrope   6 years ago

      A+

    2. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

      Nice.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      I give it a B.

      Needs more letters.

      1. $park? The Misanthrope   6 years ago

        Shoeppinfruedde?

  16. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    Upon quasi-announcing her presidential candidacy yesterday, Gillibrand was immediately greeted with criticism from fellow Democrats (of both the donor and anonymous commenter variety) for leading the charge for Franken to resign.

    Looks like Franken is going to be more useful out of office than he ever was in.

  17. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

    Stung by Florida Midterm Losses, Democrats See a Swing State Drifting Away

    Poor Lefties. They gain a 2 year majority in the House, lose 4 seats in Senate, Hillary lost, Beto lost in Texas, Bernie lost in 2016, Black Americans fleeing the Democratic Party....

    Now Florida is lost forever to Democrats?

  18. Bee Tagger   6 years ago

    Is the #10YearChallenge just a scam to stoke facial aging algorithms?

    i've allowed technology to reshape this world in so many ways but i refuse to let them end the absurdity of what computer generated aging photos look like.

  19. Bee Tagger   6 years ago

    "the FBI wasn't abusing its power. It was fulfilling the mission the president gave it."

    even trump is frustrated with how noble trump is.

    1. Jerryskids   6 years ago

      If you believe the FBI and the DOJ are scrupulously clean and noble and humble public servants.

      A lot of the criticism seems to be driven by the notion that the FBI's investigation was, and is, an effort to undermine or discredit President Trump. That assumption is wrong. The FBI's investigation must be viewed in the context of the bureau's decades-long effort to detect, disrupt and defeat the intelligence activities of the governments of the Soviet Union and later the Russian Federation that are contrary to the fundamental and long-term interests of the United States. The FBI's counterintelligence investigation regarding the 2016 campaign fundamentally was not about Donald Trump but was about Russia. Full stop. It was always about Russia. It was about what Russia was, and is, doing and planning. Of course, if that investigation revealed that anyone?Russian or American?committed crimes in connection with Russian intelligence activities or unlawfully interfered with the investigation, the FBI has an obligation under the law to investigate such crimes and to seek to bring those responsible to justice.

      1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        This is what a coup in the USA looks like people.

  20. Conchfritters   6 years ago

    Add Marco Rubio to the list of people who need to fuck off. What a whiney little douche bag.

    1. This Machine Chips Fascists   6 years ago

      Don't worry, Rick Scott will slit his throat soon enough. There's not enough room in FL for 2 Senators running for POTUS.

      1. Conchfritters   6 years ago

        Rick Scott - - another fucking douche bag who is only slightly more douchey than Rubio, but less douchey than Jeb(!).

  21. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

    Germany is banning Amazon Dash buttons because they make it too easy for people to shop without comparing prices.
    Politicians hate efficiency of any kind.

  22. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

    That's my Senator!

  23. Conchfritters   6 years ago

    A new caravan of migrants from Honduras is on its way through Guatemala, giving the president more fodder for fueling insane invasion fantasies.

    This is America. I don't want a tomato picked by a Mexican. I want it picked by an American, then sliced by a Guatemalan and served by a Venezuelan in spa where a Chilean gives me a Brazilian

    1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

      What are you talking about? You can't tell where they came from, because they have all assimilated so well.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 years ago

      "A new caravan of Goths is on its way through the Balkans, giving Emperor Valentinian III more fodder for insane invasion fantasies"

      1. Necron 99   6 years ago

        Teenage angst hardest hit.

  24. Nardz   6 years ago

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/.....-us-forces

    By declaring victory over ISIS, Trump effectively challenged the group to prove him wrong. Terrible! https://t.co/nN8IWkEqQ1
    ? Peter R. Neumann (@PeterRNeumann) January 16, 2019

    Funny how our enemies always manage to encourage the US to stay when Trump talks about leaving...
    Not at all suspicious. Nope.

  25. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

    Black Widow is dark enough: why sex and violence have no place in the Marvel Universe

    1. Rich   6 years ago

      Because SugarFree did them first and better?

      1. Chinny Chin Chin   6 years ago

        Do you mean the screwing-up the link part, or the sex/violence part?

    2. $park? The Misanthrope   6 years ago

      If only we could find out more.

    3. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

      Art should not be a reflection of real life.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   6 years ago

    David French at National Review suggests that in investigating President Donald Trump, "the FBI wasn't abusing its power. It was fulfilling the mission the president gave it."

    Jesus wasn't predicting that Judas would betray him, he was tasking him with the job.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 years ago

      ""It was fulfilling the mission the president gave it.""'

      Obama?

  27. Sevo   6 years ago

    "I believe this country needs a movement rooted in compassion and courage."
    Bullshit.

    "We want an America defined by strength of character, not weakness of ego."
    Word salad.

    "We need to protect our basic rights"
    True, but it's odds-on she has no idea what "rights" means.

    "and fight for better health care, education and jobs."
    Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

    "And I believe I'm the woman for the job."
    If she's referring to her bullshit, I'd say she might be right.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   6 years ago

      Do you want Ranch or Italian with that word salad?

      1. Mongo   6 years ago

        Doesn't matter as long as you toss my salad.

    2. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 years ago

      A minor league clown officially enters the clown car.

  28. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

    The Men Bringing Back the Artistry of Nunchucks

    Millennials are dangerous!

  29. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 years ago

    Surging oil output will push U.S. towards energy independence in 2020.

    Absolutely spectacular news! Drill baby drill!!

    It's fascinating too because we can now say beyond any shadow of a doubt that Marion King Hubbert and his famed bell curve prediction showing America peaking some time between 1965-1970 was completely, totally, 100% dead wrong. We're already slightly above the 1970 peak now, and we're about to push substantially higher than that level over the next two years.

  30. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

    Bada Bing! Strip Clubs Based on 'The Sopranos' Are All Over the World

    The Bada Bing! Stripklub K?benhavn Copenhagen is described on StripClubGuide.com as directly inspired by The Sopranos while "running on its own recipe, in?uenced by the American 'Mobster' ?lm genre," and on its own Instagram as "Denmark's most exclusive stripclub." Mob memorabilia is scattered throughout the club's two floors. There are framed photos on the wall of Al Pacino in The Godfather and Scarface and Joe Pesci in Casino, an autographed baseball bat from The Sopranos and a golf ball from James Gandolfini with "How's your balls?" scribbled above his signature. One plaque dedicated to Tony Soprano and Christopher Moltisanti declares, "The Sopranos is widely regarded as one of the best television series of all time." A reverent photo of Bing proprietor Silvio Dante hangs behind the bar.

    1. Mongo   6 years ago

      A stripper's tweet came across my feed where she STOPPED WATCHING THE SOPRANO'S IN DISGUST after Tracee the Stripper got beaten to death in the parking lot of Bada Bing.

      1. Dillinger   6 years ago

        tag-teamed *and* beaten to death within like 15 minutes ... didn't see that coming

  31. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

    The country will never be the same after the loss of the greatest statesman ever, Al Franken, the comedian.

  32. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

    Dorilocos: At last, a street snack that brings together Doritos, veggies, pickled pig skin, and gummies.

    A snack of Dorilocos is composed of Doritos (typically the nacho cheese variety, but any flavor will do), chopped vegetables (carrots, celery, cucumber, and sometimes jicama, beet, or whatever's available), cueritos (pickled pig skin), Japanese-style peanuts (coated in wheat flour and soy sauce, then fried until crunchy), hot sauce (the puya chili?based Valentina seems standard), chamoy (a sweet-sour condiment made from pickled fruit), and a generous squirt of lime. Oh, and gummies.

    jfc keep these monsters out of my country.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   6 years ago

      I have, and do, eat these regularly when in Tucson. They're a common, beloved street food.

      Also, not new in the least.

  33. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

    I'm NOT too old to be president says 77-year-old Mike Bloomberg as he insists legalizing weed is 'nonsensical' and global warming could 'kill everyone'

    America's mayor!

  34. $park? The Misanthrope   6 years ago

    A big new Caravan is heading up to our Southern Border from Honduras. Tell Nancy and Chuck that a drone flying around will not stop them. Only a Wall will work. Only a Wall, or Steel Barrier, will keep our Country safe! Stop playing political games and end the Shutdown!

    ? Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 15, 2019

    A rifle squad isn't good enough anymore?

  35. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 years ago

    It turns out that the creator of that shitty Gillette ad is an Australian man-hating feminazi named Kim Gehrig.

    Where's Crocodile Dundee to boot a boot in her twat when you really need him?

    1. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

      She really triggered you, big guy.

      1. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 years ago

        Go shave your balls with a Gillette razor you fruitcake.

        1. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

          There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum. It's breathtaking, really. I suggest you try it yourself.

          1. This Machine Chips Fascists   6 years ago

            Don't forget the Botox...smooth as eggs.

  36. Crusty Juggler   6 years ago

    'Are you being sold for sex?': Police launch huge operation to stop Super Bowl sex trafficking with new chat bot to catch pedophiles and poster campaign on school buses

    Organizers said 300 children are sold for sex every month in Georgia and 7,200 men each month pay for sex with a child.

    Atlanta Public Schools Superintendent, Meria Carstarphen, said students are in danger of being sexually exploited every day and the Super Bowl 'super-sized' the risk of child sex trafficking.

    She told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 'These events create horrible opportunities for traffickers, for commercial sex and human exploitation, and they certainly take advantage of vulnerable teens and children who go to our schools.'We have schools all right up in there, and if they didn't have enough drama in the regular day this is going to super-size their exposure.'

    I had no idea! I think we should cancel the super bowl to save the children.

    1. Don't look at me!   6 years ago

      Think big! Cancel all football!
      It's for the children.

    2. H. Farnham   6 years ago

      Let's wait and see. If New England wins the AFC again, then yes, cancel that turd... for the children.

    3. BYODB   6 years ago

      If that many people are fucking kids, one might think it would be legal. Something tells me those stats are patent bullshit.

      1. loveconstitution1789   6 years ago

        Hey, this War on Drugs Sex trafficking ain't gonna violate constitutional rights of millions of people itself.

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  38. Sevo   6 years ago

    "Germany is banning Amazon Dash buttons because they make it too easy for people to shop without comparing prices."

    I hereby propose a new law:
    After looking at any product, you must count to 100 before removing wallet from pocket.

    1. $park? The Misanthrope   6 years ago

      Three days might be better, like the cool down period for guns.

  39. Zeb   6 years ago

    Fuck, this election is going to suck.

  40. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

    If anyone at Reason is bored, I think an article about the Sackler family would be interesting from a libertarian perspective

  41. Dillinger   6 years ago

    David French shouldn't rate for citation here.

  42. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    "And then the following month, she became the first Democratic senator to publicly call on then-Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to go after multiple women accused him of engaging in sexual misconduct.

    It's time we turn off the war machine and turn on our children.

    *silence*

    Uh... turn ON our children!

    1. Mongo   6 years ago

      It was discovered that a good chunk of calls for Franken's resignation were Russian bots!

  43. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   6 years ago

    Honduran migrants wait in line to cross over the border checkpoint into Guatemala in Agua Caliente, Honduras.

    Why aren't they stopping in Guatemala? What do we have that Guatemala doesn't?

    1. Earth Skeptic   6 years ago

      Prescription requirements for birth control pills.

    2. BYODB   6 years ago

      A welfare state and a need for under the table illegally priced labor one might rightfully think.

  44. Earth Skeptic   6 years ago

    "Congress must act, but it is even more important that Congress act responsibly to create a transparent, digital environment that maximizes consumer welfare over corporate welfare."--Rubio

    Yes, Congress must make sure that every business maximizes consumer welfare at the cost of corporate welfare. My supermarket must seek out the greatest variety of the freshest foods, no matter what the cost and trouble, and then offer these to me for free.

  45. Ryan (formally HFTO)   6 years ago

    WTF I love PETA now

    https://twitter.com/peta/status/ 1085573461315997696

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