REAL ID Puts Personal and National Security At Risk

Your new national ID is hacker-bait that complicates journeys but won't make you any safer.


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This month marks a year since a milestone in the adoption of what are effectively internal passports in the United States—a date that went unnoticed by most Americans. Starting last January, only residents of states that signed on to the federal government's REAL ID scheme were permitted to fly or enter federal buildings using their state ID.

Because every state ultimately surrendered to federal demands and agreed to issue standardized identification (though under a façade of local design and color), the ID cards in your pocket continue to work—at least until the full program kicks in during 2020.

"Starting January 22, 2018, travelers who do not have a license from a compliant state or a state that has been granted an extension…will be asked to provide alternate acceptable identification," warned the Department of Homeland Security. "If the traveler cannot provide an acceptable form of identification, they will not be permitted through the security checkpoint."

For years, amidst arguments over privacy and local control, many states remained defiant, with 32 states and territories hesitating to turn their driver's licenses into glorified federal identification documents as recently as 2016. But federal pressure, including the prospect of many Americans being turned away from airports and office buildings, caused them to cave one after another. Some, like Arizona, made compliant documents voluntary, so that people willing to forego passage through TSA checkpoints or access to federal buildings and facilities could also skip the new ID standards. That was enough to satisfy the feds and keep existing documents acceptable until 2020.

After that time, everybody who wants to travel by air or enter a Social Security office will have to have REAL ID-compliant documents in-hand. Or, they could just embrace the new reality and use U.S. passports for domestic travel as well as international trips. That would also make the feds happy.

"Starting October 1, 2020, every state and territory resident will need to present a REAL ID compliant license/ID, or another acceptable form of identification, for accessing Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and boarding commercial aircraft," DHS adds. "The card, itself, must be REAL ID compliant unless the resident is using an alternative acceptable document such as a passport."

Like so much of what has changed about the laws and governance of the United States since the turn of the millennium, we have overwrought post-9/11 fears of terrorism to thank for REAL ID requirements passed in 2005.

"All but one of the Sept. 11 hijackers carried government IDs that helped them board planes and remain in the country illegally," huffed then-Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff in a 2008 op-ed. He brushed off concerns that they could have purchased the new IDs from the same corrupt officials who sold them many of the old ones. Prior to passage of the law, any sort of discussion was brushed-off.

"Signed into law in May 2005 without meaningful debate the Real ID Act states that drivers licenses will only be accepted for 'federal purposes'—like accessing planes trains national parks and court houses—if they conform to certain uniform standards," notes the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). "The law also requires a vast national database linking all of the ID records together."

Actually, the feds carefully insist that "REAL ID does not create a federal database." But the law does require that states "provide electronic access to all other States to information contained in the motor vehicle database of the State" and specifies what is contained in each database. That almost certainly involves participation in the State-to-State service run by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA), which represents Canadian and American officials who issue driver's licenses.

"For those states (i.e. states choosing to comply with REAL ID), the Department of Homeland Security has indicated that participation in S2S will be required for the state to be REAL ID compliant… the law and regulations governing REAL ID include requirements for state licensing agencies to connect their databases in a way that improves identity security as part of the licensing issuance process," says the AAMVA in a handout about the program.

So, no, not one big database—just a bunch of smaller ones linked together to act like one big database. And those linked databases contain the amassed, hacker-bait details of millions of identification documents necessary for air travel and access to government facilities.

Yes, hacker-bait. "The IDs and database will simply create an irresistible target for identity thieves" cautions EFF.

REAL ID "harms national security by creating yet another 'trusted' credential for criminals to exploit," warns the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

Other critics point out that identification documents are incapable of catching terrorists who haven't already been identified as threats. And, they say, such systems inevitably develop system-creep.

"The day would not be far off when a national ID is required for picking up prescriptions, purchasing guns and ammunition, paying by credit card, booking air travel, and reserving hotel stays, to name just a few types of transactions the federal government might regulate," says the Cato Institute's Jim Harper.

In fact, Secretary Chertoff boasted in that op-ed, "by embracing REAL ID, we can indeed cash a check, hire a baby sitter, board a plane or engage in countless other activities with confidence."

So far, REAL ID-compliant documents aren't as restrictive as the internal passports required to get anything done in Russia. Without such ID, Russians "cannot open or close a bank account, receive medical care at a state clinic, buy a cellphone, return a purchase to a store or enter into a contract," wrote Masha Gessen in The New York Times. Nor are REAL ID documents comparable in intrusiveness to the hukou system of household registration that "is used to actively limit where a person is allowed to live" in China, according to The Diplomat.

In 2016, Sens. John Thune (R-S.D.) and Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) proposed a bipartisan scheme to extend TSA authority over all surface transportation, including trains and buses. They reintroduced the bill the following year. Among other security concerns, the legislation "authorizes the use of computerized vetting systems for passenger rail," according to Thune.

The bill didn't pass, and surface transportation so-far remains largely free of the security gauntlet that accompanies air travel. But the TSA already "supports security efforts of operators of fixed route intercity and charter bus services," as well as Amtrak, and offers security training to ferry operators as well as trucking and freight rail firms. That hasn't quite turned train stations and bus depots into experiences in TSA-style security theater, but the options are tightening.

So, unless you plan to severely limit your travel plans and give up on access to government offices and facilities, get ready to use your internal passport … err … REAL ID-compliant driver's license when going to and fro. Or just be honest, embrace the suckage, and show your regular passport to get through checkpoints foreign and domestic.

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  1. “The day would not be far off when a national ID is required for picking up prescriptions, purchasing guns and ammunition, paying by credit card, booking air travel, and reserving hotel stays, to name just a few types of transactions the federal government might regulate,” says the Cato Institute’s Jim Harper.

    Yes! And also, you must show your “papers please” before seeing any doctor of doctorology, who will then authorize you to blow on a cheap plastic flute! Whatever you do, do NOT (I beg of you!) flout the law, and get permission to blow on a cheap plastic flute, w/o proper ID!

    To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see ? This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

    1. With ObamaCare in place, no doctor will take cash to treat an injection wound or STD anonymously.

  2. I would think that these technologies would post the danger of getting hacked or misused by the government…

    1. that is one of the central design features, certainly NOT a bug……

      dontchya git where they’re coming from YET?

  3. So far, REAL ID-compliant documents aren’t as restrictive as the internal passports required to get anything done in Russia. Without such ID, Russians “cannot open or close a bank account, receive medical care at a state clinic, buy a cellphone, return a purchase to a store or enter into a contract,” …”Nor are REAL ID documents comparable in intrusiveness to the hukou system of household registration that “is used to actively limit where a person is allowed to live” in China,”

    To be fair, Russia and China have centuries of experience and tradition behind their monitoring and enforcement efforts; tsars and emperors were mandating that citizens spy on one another over a thousand years ago. I am however confident that American ingenuity will allow us to catch up, before it is strangled by it’s own success in this regard.

    1. “See something, say something” is just the start

    2. Yes, it’s sadly true that the USA lags behind Russia and China (and others) in certain aspects of protecting us from ourselves, and the utter horrors of having to make decisions for ourselves.

      However, buck up! We are actually AHEAD of them, in certain matters, such as protecting us from blowing on cheap plastic flutes without the proper authorization and supervision of a Government-Almighty certified physician! If you’ll examine details and links listed here, at , you’ll see that the USA is the ONLY nation on the planet, which is advanced and compassionate enough to protect us from improper and unauthorized blowing upon cheap plastic flutes! AKA “lung flutes”…

      I’m sorry I have no links on hand to prove this, but I am QUITE sure that in other, less progressive nations, the un-supervised blowing upon cheap plastic flutes is leaving tens of thousands of addicted, crippled lives in its wake, along with untold overdoses and deaths!

  4. So far, REAL ID-compliant documents aren’t as restrictive as the internal passports required to get anything done in Russia. yet.

  5. Is it safe to say that we are pretty far along down the slippery slope to a mandatory national ID card?

    1. Part of me says we are arriving now.

      However biometrics may make an ID card moot in the near future.

      1. I draw the line at ID cards.

        I refuse to do biometric info. I purposely wore a disguise for my passport photos because they want biometric info from those pictures.

        1. Since I prefer ( for comfort’s sake ) a cleanshaven face and cropped haircut, I’ve considered growing a beard and letting my hair get ragged for my next driver’s license. Although perhaps running it the other way might make more sense?

          1. Georgia gives veterans a 38 year license expiration period, so that photo was unusable for biometric comparisons and will be for many years.

          2. Growing it out will screw up their biometric readings from your pic. If you do it the other way around they’ll know your TRUE face. Plus they could just tack a beard on top in photoshop if they’re ever looking to hunt you down with an APB! Since you like being clean shaven, it makes more sense to beard out the pic though.

        2. Uhm, sorry to tell you that disguises do not work. The only thing that’s protecting you from facial scanning tech right now is that its so crappy to start with.

          But unless you’re going to start altering your bone structure then a fake mustache or wig isn’t going to help.

          1. How would they see my bone structure when I have a full beard?

            How are they going to measure my eye color and distance from center when Im wearing colored contacts?

            My picture pretty much looks like Cousin It from Adam’s Family.

    2. I’m just over here waiting for the Christian fundies to wake up and start researching their numerology so they can link REALID to 666 and start really slinging the actual doom fearmongering.

      1. I think we have a lot more to worry about than “Christian Fundies” as they are not the ones promoting this government overreach.

      2. Those guys at Waco did. That is why Clinton eliminated them. 😉

        1. One of the more uninformed comments about Branch Davidian I’ve ever read. Congratulations

        2. they weren’t “fundies”. Go ask Janet Reno what they believed.. she’s the expert on those guys. Oh wait, she never bothered to find out. Somehow she got her knickers all knotted and decided “Koresh and Friends Gotta Go”. And so she DID them. The astounging this is, she’s the one riding herd on UC Berserkeley, ten ties as bonkers as those Branshies ever thought of being.

      3. The real doom of mandatory ID is greater than anything in Christianity.

      4. A series of three six digit numbers laser etched on the forehead should do quite nicely.

  6. “The IDs and database will simply create an irresistible target for identity thieves” cautions EFF.

    If you don’t want to be hacked you shouldn’t be trying to cross borders or certain thresholds.

  7. This is unREAL.

  8. I don’t know with 100% certainty if this is true, but a few people have told me that if the shutdown goes on a few days longer that some of our non-essential government personnel could potentially have their positions eliminated permanently.

    Dear God, please let this be true!! If Trump can make that happen, he’ll already be one our greatest presidents ever.

    1. A passive draining of the swamp, eh?

    2. It as an opportunity to “calibrate” the work force. We obviously have some excess baggage.

  9. TrickyVic had it right. An iris scan for anything nails who you are. India already does it to prevent vote fraud in the world’s largest democracy. Cheap and easy, but he who controls or hacks the central computer does rule system. This is why there must always be a 2nd amendment and maybe improved laws preventing gov. from tracking and remembering/ caching data on the transactions legal firearms owners make, to include ammo.

    In the neural world it takes a remarkable amount of energy and effort to “forget” or erase anything. Even stuff we think we have forgotten is still there, it may just take an expert with the right tools to dredge it out of us. That is why we can hold grudges a very long time. Same with computers. An approval system that instantly “forgets” its last task might be a tough to create and tougher to manage with human beings involved.

    Haven’t even brought up the universal DNA database that is coming. Russia has tamped down Islamic terrorism in Chechnya more or less because it turns out that violent extremist behavior runs in families which extended are called clans. Who knew? Lick this, please, before you board.

  10. But of course you can vote with no ID. So how isn’t this whole thing “racist”?

    1. We don’t care if our lessers can travel freely, so long as they can vote the way we tell them to.

  11. It was a way to get a National ID card.

    Once again, the US Constitution gives no authority to the federal government to force a National ID, so Congress pushed it on the states.

    The states conceded instead of suing on behalf of their US Citizens.

    Some of the Lefty open border people know that National IDs will be a side benefit of the fight over securing borders, since Americans will want to show that they are US citizens via ID.

    Opening doors: How national IDs empower women cross border traders in East Africa

    1. . . . Americans will want to show that they are US citizens via ID.

      1. I like that. “What’s the matter ‘Citizen’? A true American has no problem producing ID.”

      2. If you believe this, then why were you adamantly saying you’d never have a biometric ID? If its truly important to prevent voter fraud then why not use biometrics?

  12. The pre-revolution American colonists were forbidden to use English currency, so had to rely on barter, wampum, and other countries’ currency. Somehow they managed to use all these different currencies, of different quality which even varied by date, without computers or electronic communications, when travel from one end to the other took a month.

    There were no IDs, no visas, no passports, no border controls to speak of. People could wander past the frontier and take their chances.

    And the statists would have us believe that today’s people and society are incapable of surviving without government-issue ID.

    1. Today’s people are so conditioned to accept the nation-state as ‘normal’ they would freak out if they ended up in a place like the American colonies.

    2. “The pre-revolution American colonists were forbidden to use English currency’

      What the hell are you talking about?

      There were great and significant shortages of English currency at various times [due to the economics of metallic currency and the nature of same with frontier economies, etc.], but no prohibition on its use in the Colonies, which were, after all, British territory.

      Thus the Currency Acts, which had nothing to do with a prohibition on using the Pound.

  13. Colonial Immigration

    People traveled on their word and their name. The people who lied about who they were, were treated harshly because you needed to trust people or they could be a real threat to what you had.

    Many people were illiterate, so IDs would have little good anyway. Some people signed with an “X”. Not exactly feasible to have IDs.

    Even the US Census was more about the Family name and how many lived there rather than individual names of kids. It did depend on the region and dedication of the Census taker.

  14. How is *any* ID requirement for interaction with a governmental entity consonant with a constitution based on liberty?

    The broad liberty defended by our Constitution presupposes the moral integrity of essentially all individuals, and that liberty can only be revoked upon clear and definitive proof of wrongdoing (thus the fourth and sixth amendments). Any republic, in fact, must necessarily assume that people are able to govern themselves, and that can only happen if they can be counted on to act in a forthright manner. The only alternative is to try to divine who should be the monarch, regardless of what such despot is called.

    If we can not trust individuals to be truthful about who they are, then what else can we not trust them about?

    The whole ID system undercuts the entire premise of the American experiment.

    1. Most established people used to be trustworthy and give their names. So people moved around on names and pedigree.

      An ID is not necessarily against principles of Liberty but the US Constitution gives our federal government no authority to force every American to have an ID or even be ‘registered’ with the government.

      I still laugh when my kids are questioned by the government and medical staff because want my kids to have Social Security numbers and a birth certificate. They can get those when they turn 18 if they want. Until then, the government can fuck off. My kids get a better education than the majority of kids in America.

      1. Good to know that there are a few kids being brought up to think for themselves!

        Good job!

      2. “An ID is not necessarily against principles of Liberty ”

        A serious request: can you elaborate? To me, as I’ve tried to explain, governmental ID’s and liberty do seem to be in conflict, but I will freely admit that it is more a sort of “we take these truths to be self-evident” type of thing.

        Can you elaborate a basic philosophical line of reasoning?

        1. Sure. Voluntarily agreeing to have an ID to provide to people on who you are, is perfectly within Libertarian fundamentals. An ID can benefit all parties involved in contracts and other inter-personal dealings.

          Its akin to the olden days of established people using their names and word truthfully. Pretty much why we have defamation tort actions, to keep people’s character free of falsehood that would damage one’s name and character.

          ID just is a modern means of having us all play by the same rules. If its voluntary, its perfectly in keeping with notions of Liberty. Forcing people to have ID would make the process involuntary.

          Under the current voluntary ID process, you dont have to have an ID but some people wont deal with you.

          1. That’s all fine, and I certainly agree, but some sort of block-chain technology or privately issued ID would do for most occasions

            The trick becomes when the governmental says that I must have their ID to deal with them, or worse, someone they have commandeered into serving as their actor. Frequently (almost always), if I am dealing with a governmental actor or someone that is being compelled by the government to collect that ID as a prerequisite for the interaction, it is because they are standing between me and something that I want: i.e. to get on that plane, to purchase medication that will actually stop my running nose, to purchase a weapon to defend my home. I would think it would be within general libertarian principles that these sort of interactions really should not require any governmental ID or by-your-leave.

          2. I had a state patrolman wanting to deal with me by stuffing me into the back of his patrol car when I told him “I don’t have a driving license to show you”. (note well, I did NOT say I did not HAVE one… if he’d searched and found it he’d nail me for lying.). I was on a bicycle, and he mistakenly believed I was in an area bikes cannot be in my state. He was wrong, I told him so which he ALSO did not like. He told me if I did not identify myself he’d arrest me. Bogus claim, as he can’t and I knew it. BUT I informed him state law does not mandate I have or produce a driving license when riding a bicycle, but that I DO have to identify myself, and I was perfectly willing to do that, and did when he settled down a tad. He is by far the nastiest stater I’ve encountered in the near forty years I’ve lived here and another twenty I’ve travelled through. And he was DEAD WRONG about my riding where I was. I called his bluff on the printed ID business, and he knew I was right and backed off. I also tried to straighten me out on riding where he thought I should not.

            1. Told me I’d come on to that road past a sign that read “no pedestrians”. I retorted that state law considers this thing between my legs (I remained astraddle the bike during the whole of his “contact”) a VEHICLE, and not a pedestrian. I also told him I saw no such signs as I enterd that roadway. He asked where I entered, and when I told him it was some twenty miles back he looked shocked…. I’m an “old guy” and he seemed to think that was a stretch.
              So, if this real idee junk continues to get out of hand, I think I’ll be riding my bike a lot more places. Put my cellphone in a full metal jacket box so they can’t track me as I move along. I almost wish he HAD arrested me.. a false arrest suit would trim his sails a bit……. he’d have had no grounds whatever, and been dead wrong.

              1. he’d have had no grounds whatever, and been dead wrong.

                That doesn’t mean you would have won a lawsuit.

      3. So you don’t claim your kids on your tax return?

        1. Why do you assume he files tax returns?

        2. My family are farmers. Do you think we actually pay much in taxes?

          You dont need a SSN to claim kids on taxes.

        3. In fact, nobody needs a SSN to pay taxes. I don’t pay into Social Security and will not be collecting SS, so no need for SSN.

          ITIN and Credit Privacy Numbers work just fine.

    2. p.s. Follow the link to the NYT page about Russian internal passports. If it doesn’t make your blood boil to know that such things even exist, then there is little hope.

    3. “If we can not trust individuals to be truthful about who they are, then what else can we not trust them about?”

      Sooo…you’re real name is GroundTruth?

      1. Do you need to know the name my parents gave me at birth for the purposes of these conversations?

        In a forum of this sort, I think we all have noms-de-plume.

        What would be deceitful would be if I somehow hacked and claimed to be Agammamon or Tony or loveconstitution1789, or if I was pulled over for speeding and claimed that my name was “apedad”.

        Context matters.

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  16. Well we have the Stasi ,er I mean the FBI so who cares ,right ?

  17. Hey look everybody. REASON found the last page of the libertarian manifesto that they hadn’t yet used to wipe their asses with.

  18. This is a nice libertarian chit-chat fantasy about the beauties of living in a colonial/frontier society where if you mess up you can run 800 miles away and re-invent yourself as a whole new individual. Even use your old name, if it was common enough. You got do-overs in life.

    Gossip and reputation were everything. That’s why dueling was popular. “Globalist” banking systems relied on networks of people who really trusted each other like the Knights Templar or families like the Rothschilds and who knew each other’s handwriting, seals, and secret codes. These banks became extremely powerful as do all national banks which means they eventually get blamed and hated a lot.

    Watched an early Abe Lincoln in Illinois movie yesterday, which began with young Abe giving a stump speech in which he declared for a national bank. Local banks can be unpopular tyrants too. We always look for a miracle to give us more freedom but border security too, easy money but financial security when we have to live on our assets in our dotage, a wish list that can be hard to reconcile.

    1. Young Abe declared for a national bank? No surprise. Lincoln was always for a centralized federal government with centralized federal power. The Civil War proved that.

  19. In fact, Secretary Chertoff boasted in that op-ed, “by embracing REAL ID, we can indeed cash a check, hire a baby sitter, board a plane or engage in countless other activities with confidence.”

    If you need to see goverment issued ID to hire a baby sitter, you are a horrible parent. Stop looking for random baby sitters at the local homeless center and hire someone you already know.

    1. you prolly haffta show ID to abandon your offspring for a while at the local friendly day care facioity. But that’s most likely because most of them are gummit subsidised, this they want to know the source of the bux they collect when yuo pick themup again… or who you are if you don’t return to redeem them.

  20. In fact, Secretary Chertoff boasted in that op-ed, “by embracing REAL ID, we can indeed cash a check, hire a baby sitter, board a plane or engage in countless other activities with confidence.”

    1. I can already do all those things with confidence.

    2. You’re so out of touch that you actually think people check ID’s for their babysitter? How much is a gallon of milk?

    3. We can only do those activities with confidence if we’re confident that the ID agency is competent. I don’t believe they are. I cash a check with confidence because I take other precautions beyond just accepting a government ID. RealID won’t change that because I won’t trust it any more. And even if I did, it still doesn’t cover non-American sources of ID – there’s tons of non-citizens in the country legally who need to cash checks, board planes – or hire babysitters.

  21. The Trump syncophants are all in favor of internal passports. They think it will restrict illegal immigration somehow.

    It’s no more effective than a wall with steel slats you can cut through or tunnel under. You can still hire your landscaper or nanny without an ID and encourage illegal immigration. Loads of businesses do a slack job of checking IDs already with the intention of hiring cheaper labor. Fancier ID won’t change that, it will just inconvenience compliers and reduce privacy.

    1. Your citation fell off.

  22. If security was the idea Arizona missed the boat. Until recently when you got an Arizona drivers license it was handed to you at DMV, now they mail the new drivers liense to you. When I got my new Real ID drivers license it was mailed to our home. It got lost for several weeks and another drivers license was issued.

    The first drivers license showed up a cople weeks after the second arrived. I cut the extra drivers license but this showed me it was much more secure to hand the drivers license to people than send them in the mail. Recently we’ve had a lot of mail theft in my area. I wonder how many Real ID drivers licenses were taken….

    1. But, those are just anecdotes! Sure you know that RealID will make us all perfectly safe!


    2. Why did you cut the extra drivers license up?

      It was the same drivers license number, most likely.

      Saves you having to get a duplicate from DMV if something happened to your one license.

    3. Kind of like all the TSA badges that were lost or stolen. I’m really afraid to complain about lost badges or Common Access Cards though.
      The government reaction would be micro chips.

  23. Just checking to see if I got this right.
    If I have a physical limitation that prevents me from driving, so I cannot get a driver’s license, and I choose no to get a state issued id card (real id compliant I assume), and I get a summons to a federal court or the IRS, I can stroll up to the door, and tell the person playing the role of security guard “here I am in response to this summons. Please the the head asshole to get out here and take care of business because you won’t let me in”?

    1. and yet another vote for an edit function – – – – –
      “Please TELL the head . . . “

  24. While the damage and casualties of September 11 were terrible, the worst long term harm to this country from those attacks was self inflicted – from the long war in Afghanistan to “homeland security”and the assaults on the rights and privacy of Americans by all levels of government. Officials have encouraged, drummed up, and exploited excessive fear of Muslim terrorists to become able to violate individual rights and ignore the protections of the Fourth Amendment to a degree which should frighten anyone who cares about freedom. Big Brother is not here yet, but many of the tools he will need to keep watch are. It is particularly worrisome that, with few exceptions, politicians of both parties support what has been done. Democrats are fine with intrusive surveillance, the TSA, and national ID, except in the one case when ID might be used to prevent non-citizens from voting. Republicans are fine with intrusive surveillance, the TSA, and national ID pretty much all the time. It is past time for Americans to start acting like free people, exercise that eternal vigilance, and bring some of this stuff to an end.

    1. That’s pretty much what I said this AM when my better half was bitching about the hoops needed to be jumped through to renew a driver’s license as a Real_ID.

      Well, actually, what I muttered under my breath was something like “bin Laden must be laughing out loud about now”.

      For the cost of a half million bucks and 19 men, he brought this country to its knees and prompted us to throw away our finest characteristics.

      May he roast in Hell for all eternity.

      And the cowards who fell for it along with him!

    2. you have just fully described the real reason behind the attacks, whether false flag or a genuine offshore attack. I said the day TSA were invented “the mozzies won. We’ll be cowering down, paying the jizra, checkpoints, buried in “security” protocols that amount to make-work for hordes of incompetent government swarms.. sorry to repeat myself there.

      And most Yanks are content to bow and scrape and follow the tail of the lemming that happens to be blocking his view of the cliff they are approaching…..

  25. How many states were already members of this national database?

  26. But it’s still too much to ask for voter ID?

    1. And it’s impermissible to ask people whether they are citizens in taking the census. So I suppose the good news is that our government still can’t keep from tripping over itself.

  27. Real ID is total bullshit!

    Playing upon human emotionalism is one of the most effective propagandist techniques.
    Hitler and the Nazi’s did it quite well.

    It’s interesting that restrictive policies and laws like Real ID have transcended & survived both the “Dem” and “GOP” parties.

    Ideologies that intersect classical Conservatism and classical Liberalism are where America was founded, and is likely where most Americans want to be.
    Yet the “Dems” and “GOP”, neo-conservatives and neo-liberals are taking away more freedoms, rights, liberties and justice from the everyday citizen.

    They are using emotionalism, via fear, to push and enforce their increasingly restrictive laws and policies.

    One just has to read “Capital Beyond Borders” by Brooke Harrington to see how, where freedoms, rights, liberties and justice are being removed from the everyday citizen, they are increasingly being granted only to the ultra-wealthy.

    The neo-feudal Lords are allowed to criss-cross borders without even so much as Passports, yet the rest of us must present heightened documentation, and are subjected to increased security and surveillance by the Praetorian Guard whom are called upon to protect those neo-feudal Lords.

    1. I had been an early fan of “Libertarianism”, but “Libertarianism” is increasingly becoming a party of only the ultra-wealthy.

      Rights and freedoms are being granted based solely on wealth.

      Under Classical Conservatism, Liberalism, and Libertarianism – ALL HUMANS ARE CREATED EQUAL.
      The innate freedoms, rights, liberties and justice are granted to ALL, not just a few.

      It matters not that “So far, REAL ID-compliant documents aren’t as restrictive as the internal passports of Russia nor the hukou system of China.

      IF IT CAN HAPPEN, THEN IT IS POSSIBLE (regardless how improbable).
      In fact, the neo-conservatives and neo-liberals often use improbability as an illegitimate excuse.

      Hitler and the Nazis were able to exploit existing legislation, to their benefit of OPPRESSION.
      The USSR had a relatively generous and free Constitution, yet the Soviet government simply failed to honor those freedoms.

      Modern Russia has a substantially generous and free Constitution, yet Putin and the Russian government continually ignore that in favor of greater REPRESSION.




    2. those folk also seem to be able to carry their own guns, and those of their “security” forces, often paid for by the peons they alledgedly serve, into places we mere mundanes cannot even go, let alone go without full on security and verification and ID and whatever else they demand. I well remember when the most rabid antigun jerk on the planet decided to go off to Jamaica, or was it the Bahamas…. where even the coppers cannot carry guns…. all of them armed, contrary to ALL laws in the place. Hmph.. hoodahekdeytinkdey r?

  28. JESUS!

    Combine this with:

    Emerging V2X (vehicle-to-everything) technology, which is now being deployed in states, and across the country.
    This tech presents for possibilities of TOTAL SURVEILLANCE by the governments, of EVERYTHING we do while in our vehicles.

    Public surveillance cameras and Automated License Plate Readers (ALPRs) have already been deployed in masses across the U.S.

    Companies like Amazon have been shown to work closely with intelligence/security agencies, like the CIA.
    This is happening even more with Amazon’s acquisition of Ring video doorbell company.

    It’s already been happening with Alexa and similar tech.

    Plus the continued MASSIVE domestic spying by the NSA (kept even more secretive under Comrade Trump).


  29. America:
    Land of the *free.
    *some restrictions my apply
    *license or permit may be required
    *subject to change without notice

    1. Oh god. That made me laugh… And then want to cry, because it’s so true. 🙁

  30. I don’t have “Real ID” and I have no intention of complying with such crap. Is it 1776 yet?

  31. As with most things, it’s not like this ONE individual thing is THAT big a deal… Now. But it’s all just one more thing in the death of a thousand cuts.

    Maybe I should be praying for a zombie apocalypse or something… If we’re lucky zombie George Washington and Thomas Jefferson will come back, and they’ll only eat the brains of the shit head politicians running the country today after they see what a mess they’ve made of things!

    I know, I know. Politicians today don’t have much in the way of brains to eat… But there are a lot of them, so it should be enough to at least keep the signers of the declaration fed for a few. We can head shot them after they’re done cleaning house so they can get back to rest.

  32. Are there any real advantages to rejecting the READ ID driver license and carrying a passport instead?

  33. I often like Reason, but please stop lecturing us about “overwrought post-9/11 fears of terrorism” and what is excessive for TSA.

    You aren’t national security experts and aren’t in a strong position to evaluate risks.

    Remember the old adage “better safe than sorry.”

    1. You’re on the wrong site. We believe in assuming risks in exchange for rights and liberty here.

      And in any case, there is scant evidence that our national security experts are national security experts.

      Remember the old adage, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

  34. Start working at home with Google. It’s the most-financially rewarding I’ve ever done. On tuesday I got a gorgeous BMW after having earned $8699 this last month. I actually started five months/ago and practically straight away was bringin in at least $96, per-hour. visit this site right here……

  35. If it comes from the government, you might as well give up your identity staying private, if it ever was. Eventually we will have some type of crypto-currency that will allow the government to track your every dollar. We will be back to a true underground economy using the barter system. These ID’s are nothing other than the Marxists wanting to know your every move.

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