Border wall

GoFundMe Page Trolls Border Wall With 'Ladders' Campaign, Raises $80,000 for Immigration Nonprofit

The campaign isn't actually about ladders.

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What's the best way to climb over a wall? If you're thinking "a ladder," you're probably right. Hence a trolling GoFundMe page titled "Ladders to Get Over Trump's Wall."

Some background: On Sunday, conservative activist Brian Kolfage set up a GoFundMe campaign to pay for President Donald Trump's proposed border wall on the U.S.–Mexico border with private funds. The campaign has raised almost $12 million from nearly 200,000 people in just five days.

That gave one Twitter user an idea. "The MAGA dumdums are crowdsourcing money for the wall," @HoarseWisperer tweeted Wednesday. "Should we crowdsource money for ladders just to troll them?"

The tweet was a joke, but the Human Rights Campaign's Charlotte Clymer ran with it anyway. Clymer set up the "ladders" GoFundMe, which has since raised more than $80,000.

As Clymer notes above, the money won't actually go to buy ladders. All funds raised will be donated to the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES), a Texas-based nonprofit that provides immigrants and refugees with low-cost legal services. "This GoFundMe isn't really about ladders at all," the GoFundMe says. "It's about lifting people up."

Clymer says RAICES "loves" the idea, and that the nonprofit would be added as a team member to the campaign.

Clymer wants to draw attention to the fact that immigrants help the nation, not hurt it. "I've really been happy with how this has generated conversation on just the absurdity of the wall in general," she tells Business Insider. "Undocumented folks are not bringing crime or drug smuggling or any of this job-stealing nonsense to our country." Those who support the wall "know it won't help, but they would gladly spite themselves just to keep brown people out of our country," she adds to Newsweek.

Her criticism of the wall itself is spot-on. Click on this this link for a rundown of why it's such a bad idea.

This isn't the first time the wall has inspired some trollish citizen resistance. Last year, the company behind Cards Against Humanity announced that it had bought a plot of land on the U.S.–Mexico border with the goal of making it "as time-consuming and expensive as possible" for Trump to build his wall. As Reason's Christian Britschgi wrote at the time, their efforts were likely for naught, considering that Trump doesn't seem to care all that much for private property rights.

It was still an entertaining way to make a point. But I'm not sure it reaches the trolling heights of a ladders-to-get-over-the-wall fundraiser.

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  1. Hence a trolling GoFundMe page titled “Ladders to Get Over Trump’s Wall.”

    It’s not really trolling until they have more than the wall people.

    1. The wall idea is so retarded. The Iron Curtain had a fence with razor wire, then a mine field, and then giant rolls of razor wire on the other side of the mine field. Oh, also, the fence was electrified and there were guard towers with guards armed with machine guns. Guess what. People still made it across. They built ladders, petal-powered chairs to travel on power lines, hangliders, and even small airplanes.

      This doesn’t even address the huge coastlines of the U.S. through which people can enter on boats, or the fact that people can visit as tourists and never leave.

      Trump’s wall is just a dumb puppet show and reflects his personal obsession with building useless structures on which he can put his name.

      1. “People still made it across.”

        Only class traitors

      2. Which border had more people across? Germany or an open border between Spain and France? You probably spray for pests even though it doesn’t get them all either. What a silly argument you make.

        1. chipper isn’t rational on this subject.

      3. Notice people like Baculum discuss ad nauseam about how the wall wont work.

        Its almost like they know it will work, hence the rants.

      4. This is largely a bunch of bullshit. You just made up a bunch of baloney to fit your desired narrative. Let me ask you, how many people do you see escaping across North Korea to South Korea across an armed border? Not so easy, ehh?

        “In 1961, 8,507 people fled across the border, most of them through West Berlin. The construction of the Berlin Wall that year reduced the number of escapees by 75% to around 2,300 per annum for the rest of the decade. The Wall changed Berlin from being one of the easiest places to cross the border, from the East, to being one of the most difficult.[1] The number of escapees fell further to 868 per annum during the 1970s and to only 334 per annum between 1980 and 1988.”
        Escape Numbers Across East German Border

        1. What do you mean escape? The Berlin Wall was built to stop corrupt westerners from taking advantage of the soviet paradise, and to stop corrupt western powers from disrupting the reformation of the economy.

      5. yeah, how far out in the ocean will the wall extend.

        the Coast Guard can’t be everywhere

      6. “?building useless structures on which he can put his name.”

        The Trump Wall.

        Someday it’ll be more famous than the Berlin Wall. And equally infamous.

    2. Ultimate trolling would be going after them for conspiracy to commit a crime.

      1. Indeed. Oh, perhaps more easily, fraud. The money is going to pay “Ladders for Migrant Siblings” student loans.

        1. Hey brainwashed Trumpsters (Now seven of you) (on this alone)

          There is NO FRAUD. You’ve been suckered, by the political elites.

          PROOF (no bullshit!) What does the GoFundMe page say to potential donors?

          Supporting an organization working to help immigrants seeking legal asylum. This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

          (Will the suckers assault the truth again?

  2. GoFundMe Page Trolls Border Wall With ‘Ladders’ Campaign, Raises $75,000 for Immigration Nonprofit

    People who hate America will have to try harder than that.

    Even funnier is that the donations for completing the wall wont be cashed since the federal government needs to do it.

    The morons who contribute for “ladders” will be charged since the nonprofit will need to buy ladders for it not to be fraud.

    Haha. Fucking Lefties are so stupid.

    1. And you are so fucking statist!

    2. Poor trolls like Hihn.

      1. loveconstitution1789
        Poor trolls like Hihn.

        WTF???? Are you saying HIHN posted this MASSIVE screwup under your name?

        Or have you gone full stooopid AGAIN?
        (roflmao)

        Speaking of stooopid. do you STILL proclaim that gummint entitlement mentality, teat-sucker???????

      2. All the hihn socks attack. Fun.

        1. WTF???? Are you saying HIHN posted this MASSIVE screwup as lc1789???

          Or have you gone full stooopid AGAIN?

          Speaking of stooopid. do you STILL proclaim that gummint entitlement mentality, teat-sucker???????

    3. Authoritarian Right publicly HUMILIATES self …. again!

      The morons who contribute for “ladders” will be charged since the nonprofit will need to buy ladders for it not to be fraud.
      Haha. Fucking Lefties are so stupid.

      Haha. WHAT DOES THE GoFundMe SAY????? (snort)

      Supporting an organization working to help immigrants seeking legal asylum. This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

      The great risk of raging, out-of-control, BIGOTRY ….

      READY … FIRE … AIM
      Shoots self in balls.
      AGAIN! (OMFG)

      Left – Right = Zero
      Libertarians reject BOTH.
      Most Americans now agree … REPULSED by the HATRED driving both shrinking tribes.

      Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers.”
      -Eric Hoffer, “The True Believers” (1951)

      Throughout human history, the worst moral atrocities have been committed by those manipulated to BELEEB they are defending some “greater good” — the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous.

      1. And a giant “fuck you” for using Hoffer to prop up your statist bullshit, Hihn.

        Going out to shoot an AK-47 in your honor.

        1. ANOTHER authoritarian right GOOBER humiliates himself!
          Defending his fellow goober

          Says it’s “statist bullshit”of me to PROVE all the right-wing wackos are CRAZY, who say ” immigrant ladders” are FRAUDULENT,

          WHAT DOES THEIR GoFundMe SAY????? (snort)
          Supporting an organization working to help immigrants seeking legal asylum. This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

          The great risk of raging, out-of-control, BIGOTRY ….

          Left – Right = Zero
          Libertarians reject BOTH.
          Most Americans now agree … REPULSED by the HATRED driving both shrinking tribes.

          Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers.”
          -Eric Hoffer, “The True Believers” (1951)

          THAT was hatred.

          1. P.S. Freddy the Jerk (aptly named!)

            What did I say that was “statist” to you people

            PUT UP OR SHUT UP, Punk.

            1. Poor hohn socks.

              1. Behold the self-righteous hypocrite!
                lc1789 …. is ENTITLED to slurp the gummint teat … but HIS OWN FATHER is “selfish as shit!”
                Can there BE a greater hypocrite?

                loveconstitution1789

                My retired father loves politics and we often discuss the nature of things.

                I cannot get him to openly discuss social security and medicare reform with cuts. He is just hoping to check out before our debt crushes the USA. Its selfish as shit.

                TROLL says more crushing debt is okay .. if it lines HIS pocket!
                HIS OWN FATHER is “selfish as shit” … but DEFENDS his own slurping the gummint teat! (

                WHINES that a multi-trillion debt increase is “giving my own money back ” … FROM WHERE???

                STEALING FROM HIS OWN CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN … with MORE :crushing debt … but HE is not selfish as shit!!!

                HE’D CUT HIS FATHER’S BENEFITS .. AND STEAL FROM HIS OWN KIDS … TO INCREASE HIS CASH, BECAUSE … HE’S ENTITLED!

                What kind of fiscal conservative DENIES that federal debt steals … from their own children? Brainwashed Republican goobers = brainwashed lefty goobers

                The left borrows trillions for free stuff
                The right borrows trillions for free tax cuts
                Both statist mooches

                THIS is why he’s punishing me!

                1. You’re a raving idiot. If you care about our national debt, you will immediately commit suicide.

                  1. Same say it’s only the left suppressing speech.
                    They both do. But the right is FAR more vicious

                    This is a “response” to DOCUMENTED facts.

                    You’re a raving idiot. If you care about our national debt, you will immediately commit suicide.

                    Libertarians post facts, with links to sources,

                    Rightwing goobers launch assaults, and talk like snotty kids, while BELLOWING and shaking their fists at the sky. It’s the only way pussy snowflakes can feel like “manly” men, (snort)

              2. do you mean poor hohn sicks?

                1. YOU can defend borrowing trillions ONLY if some goes into your pocket.
                  But we libertarians have integrity. Try it You might like it!

                  1. Ellis Wyat, the other hihn sock.

                    1. (LOL) After you’re exposed as the biggest fraud on the Internet!!
                      With PROOF of your shameless moral hypocrisy?
                      C’mon you can sink even lower into depravity. You can do it!!

                      Authoritarian Right = Authoritarian Left
                      Drive-by assassins.

    4. @LC

      “People who hate America”

      I assume you’re talking about yourself since you’re a statist, illiterate, anti-American piece of shit.

    5. Poor Lefties and hihn socks had a sad every day.

      1. Sociopath or Psychopath?

        A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience. If he lies to you so he can steal your money, he won’t feel any moral qualms, though he may pretend to. ?

        Both lack empathy .. But a psychopath has less regard for others. Someone with this personality type sees others as objects he can use for his own benefit.

        It’s not easy to spot a psychopath. They can be intelligent, charming, and good at mimicking emotions. ?
        Sociopaths are less able to play along. They make it plain that they’re not interested in anyone but themselves. They often blame others and have excuses for their behavior.

        Traits of Sociopath?

        3 or more of the following qualifies for the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy):

        Callous unconcern for the feelings of others. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, and obligations.

        Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships,..

        Very low tolerance to frustration, a low threshold for discharge of aggression ?

        Incapacity to experience guilt or to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
        Markedly prone to blame others
        or to offer plausible rationalization for the behavior that has brought the person into conflict with society.

        —————

        Open and shut case

  3. Ah, I miss the good ol’ days when we were tearing down walls keeping people apart.

    1. If you mean the Berlin wall and Iron Curtain, those people wanted to be together.

      We dont want illegals in the USA.

      Really sad, the lies are not working for your side anymore. Sad.

      1. You mean Latinos. Use precise language. You don’t give a shit if a Norwegian slips in, do you? If you did, you’d think more broadly than a stupid fucking wall on only one of our two borders.

        1. Why the fuck would canuckistanians want to sneak in here? They’ve got free healthcare up there.

          1. Who tells Trump? (lol)

        2. Given the absurd leftists in the upper mid-west, I don’t any more Norwegians either.

        3. A single Norwegian? No problem.

          A single southern neighbor? No problem.

          Thirty million and counting. We have a big problem.

          1. And what is that problem, precisely?

            1. Since you asked…YOU are the problem.

              1. Since you asked…YOU are the problem.

                Look again!

            2. Try really hard to think like an educated adult and maybe you can experience rational thought. It is tough for shillbots like you, so pace yourself.

              1. No I genuinely struggle to think of what problem these immigrants are causing that could possibly be worse than the problem of forcibly ejecting 30 million people from their homes.

                1. Nations eject undocumented foreign nationals all the time. Canada don’t give free stuff and residency to illegals, so they don’t have to worry about kicking out millions of people. They can’t settle in to begin with.

                  Plus Canada is super cold and not as great as America.

                  1. MCGA!

                2. 30 million trespassers sneaking in is definitely a problem Tony. I know you want them here illegally so you can skirt the law and treat the man a de facto slave class, but real Americans are against slavery.

                  Unlike you.

              2. (adoring eyes) Such a MANLY man!
                for the age (and mentality) of a 12-year-old!!

                1. Hihn, do we need to send mental health officials to your house to check in on you?

                  1. (adoring eyes) Such a MANLY man!
                    for the age (and mentality) of a 12-year-old!!

        4. What about Hispanic women? The “Latinas”. Use precise language Tony.

          1. Wait. This was all about kicking out the Irish? Well shit, I’m all for that.

            1. Yeah I’m afraid Ireland isn’t sending us their best and brightest.

        5. We’ve been asking for a Visa return system to be installed since it was promised as part of the ’86 Amnesty. Too bad you liberals are such fucking liars.

          1. REAGAN WAS A LIBERAL!
            BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA

        6. America is not the release valve for Central American problems, we have our own problems to deal with without having to take on the problems Central America is incapable of dealing with.

      2. 1. Those people were illegals – until the wall was destroyed and the two nations re-combined.

        2. “We”? You say this as if opinion on the subject is unified.

        1. IIRC, West Germany gave East Germans political asylum. So not “illegals”.

        2. Comparing border security in America to the marxist partition of Germany is false equivalence at best, and most certainly hypocritical.

      3. And… those walls were built to keep people in as prisoners of the evil empire.

      4. “We dont want illegals in the USA”

        Speak only for yourself, staist!

        Your chronic bedwetting around here only reveals the shallowness of your thinking, wait *feelings*, and your deep devotion to empire.

        You really do need a nanny, twit.

        1. Poor North Korean trolls.

        2. No, we don’t want illegals here. Only a small fringe of leftists, corporatists, and anarchist kooks think this is a good idea.

      5. Actually, the Berlin Wall was built to keep westerners out… at least that is what Heinrich said in 1961. But to address your assertion: I live near the border. I know what immigrants look like very well. I happen to want them – any and all that wish to come. America is about work and thrive, not filter and pick. What you should be concerned about, if you really are an American, is that the Berlin wall, the Iron Curtain, and the Bamboo Curtain… all of these walls were built with the excuse of keeping out the unwanted. In reality, they kept in the slaves. You might want to remember that your personal share of the National Debt is over $100,000. I recommend that maybe you should contribute to the Go-Fund-Me page heavily, but request that ladders be place on both sides of the wall.

    2. How about the really, really good ol’ days of the nineteenth century Know Nothing Party? That was when a bunch of sleazy loathsome politicians convinced a bunch of not-very-bright dupes that all their problems were caused by (gasp in horror) Irish, Italian, and Catholic immigrants. Yep, some people allowed themselves to be led by the nose into frenzied fear over these sub-human groups. They were brutes and animals !!! They rape our women !!! Savage our towns !!! The power-hunger pols soon figured they couldn’t lay it on too thick – their audience was that willingly stupid.

      Of course I doubt even they could fall for something so imbecilic as Trump’s Caravan Terror, but dupes are so less hardy these days…..

      1. In all fairness, the US would probably be more libertarian had those Irish, Italian, Catholics not come in such large numbers.

        1. It’s over 60% now. Are you new to this?

  4. This is an excellent example proving that progressives and libertarians are natural allies now that white nationalism has infected almost the entire conservative movement. Unfortunately I am financially unable to donate because of the #DrumpfRecession, but I will be telling all my progressive friends about this.

    #AbolishICE
    #NoBanNoWall
    #OpenBorders
    #MigrationIntoTheUSIsAHumanRight

    1. Okay, you had me until the last hashtag.

      Well played.

      1. Welcome to Reason.

        OBL is a shining example of what can be done with the English language.

        1. Oh, I’m not new.

          It’s just that he doesn’t usually do that kind of reveal, and there are others, like Revenant Hotchkiss, who are dead serious.

    2. “Unfortunately I am financially unable to donate because of the #DrumpfRecession”

      LOL.

  5. >>>Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES)

    RICELS. Dummies.

    1. Or “RAICFEALS”.

      Or “RICELS”.

      But “RAICES” is just dumb, yes.

  6. Is this what passes for analysis on Reason, now?

    1. Analysis? Reason?

    2. CATCH UP.

      Libertarians have been fiscally conservative and socially liberal for 50 years.

      FOCUS

  7. People voluntarily, directly funding things is libertarian AF, unless of course y’all tread on me/someone.

    1. What if the thing is thousands of miles of a monument to a politician’s ego that would require massive federal land grabs?

      1. Don’t the Feds already have rights of way for the border even without a wall?

        (And, well, remember, we’re not all Rothbardian anarchists; eminent domain claims for the border are well within the Hayekian wheelhouse of “libertarian”.

        As policy, I think the wall is probably a waste of money and there’s better ways to both turn illegal immigration into legal immigration, and keep actual bad actors out, and a bunch of other reforms around the issue.

        But … “eminent domain would be needed” is not an automatic DQ; eminent domain for actual public works that can’t be achieved without it, of which “a border wall” is possibly the BEST example, is not axiomatically un-libertarian.)

        1. No. They have an easement for *travel* on private land within 10 miles of the border, but that’s it. Well, along with ICE’s ‘custom’s exemption to the Constitution’. But they can’t just string barbed wire across your property even if your southern border is the US’ southern border. They have to ED the property they need to do that.

          1. And that’s just for property right on the border. There are lot’s of places where its not suitable terrain to build a border wall at the border – in some parts of the country where there already are existing wall segments, those segments can be several miles north of the border. There are Americans, living in America, who are restricted from the rest of the US because they have to go through a border-wall checkpoint because their homes now lie south of the wall.

            And then there are people – like ranchers – that have the value of their property destroyed because they can’t get at half of it anymore.

        2. Sig… you’re talking to Tony.

          Tony KNOWS there are no libertarians here… only cousinfucking trumptards. He proclaims this on (at lease) a daily basis.

          Let alone any nuanced conversation re Rothbard vs Hayek.

        3. Eminent domain is needed but there is absolutely no reason for the feds to roll over and play dead as if the feds are dependent on those land owners. Those land owners are dependent on the feds for their title.

          If a landowner wants to hold the feds hostage, then it is entirely reasonable for the feds to begin negotiating with Mexico to transfer sovereignty. You can bet Mexico will engage with that. You can bet Mexico will keep their own constitution that prohibits foreign land ownership near their border. And you can bet that the last thing those landowners want is to have the land title adjudicated by a Mexican court.

      2. Its still more libertarian to have private individuals putting up the funding for the Federal government than for the Federal government to do all these land grabs *and* take the money to fund them by force.

        Incrementalism, I guess.

        1. You can just call a stupid thing stupid. Even if it’s proposed by a Republican. You can choose to do that.

          1. “You can just call a stupid thing stupid. ”

            Ok. You’re stupid.

            1. Hey I was conceived by Republicans too. Look at you not being a Republican cum dumpster for once.

              1. Your lucky they are republican. Otherwise your dumb ass might have been aborted as an inconvenience.

                1. OHHHHH lolol fucking hard burn.

                  1. The best part is that its almost certainly true in his case.

                    1. Kindergarten Recess!!!

          2. You can also choose to note that there are varying levels of stupid. You can choose to do that.

            1. But of course. The Wall is pretty fucking stupid, though.

              1. It isn’t. The problem is not the wall, but your leftist idiocy.

              2. The stupidity is that a wall is even necessary to protect the sovereignty of the USA.

        2. Incrementalism, I guess.

          Gooberism

      3. Get Pfizer behind it and the Democrats will get on board.

      4. What a dumb ass question, Tony.

        Then it (the wall) becomes a massive tourist attraction. See: wall, China.

        1. Nobody’s gonna travel to southern Texas to look at steel slats. The only reason i’ve been to the freakin Alamo is because my family made me go, and let me tell you it was unequivocally not worth the week of diarrhea.

          1. Got out of control with the enemas did you?

          2. Tony hates America and freedom which is why Alamo was such a burden.

            1. Texas is only quasi-America. Ask a Texan and they’ll tell you.

            2. Jerks like Tony are bigger kerks in Texas.

    2. Not to mention that both of these campaigns show that the American people are shit load more creative and talented and funny than the assholes we elect to represent us.

  8. back in pre-history, collecting money to buy ladders and spending that money on something else was called fraud.

    1. What about collecting money for childhood cancer and using it to settle lawsuits?

    2. Of course every penny of the millions that the other gofundme has collected will go to actually build a real wall.

    3. Longtobefree HUMILIATES self AGAIN!

      WHAT DOES THE GoFundMe page SAY?????
      Supporting an organization working to help immigrants seeking legal asylum. This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

      Did he swallow lc1789s HUGE fuckup?

      Do they travel in a pack, like wild dogs?

      1. EVERYONE CARES, YOU CRAZY OLD COOT!!!!!

        1. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

          1. Why do you bother switching socks? Everyone knows they’re all you. And everyone hates you.

            I suppose that was your goal all along.

            1. Crazy as a loon.

              1. Hihn and all your socks is a loon…alright.

              2. Yes, Hihn, you’re nuts. We know already.

                1. ANY OTHER PUSSIES SCREW UP THE GOFUNDME PAGE?.
                  Other than the usual thugs

                  hateconstituion1789
                  Last of the Shitheads
                  Incomprehensible Bitching
                  Longtobefree

                  WHAT DOES THE GoFundMe page SAY?????
                  Supporting an organization working to help immigrants seeking legal asylum. This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

                  Did he swallow lc1789s MASSIVE screwup?

      2. It does not matter what the gofundme page says.
        The page is about what I say it is. Like sex/gender, there is no absolute truth, only my feelings and interpretations.
        I say it is about fraudulent bait and switch, so it is. And I say it is illegal false advertising, so it is.
        And, just for the record, we travel in tribes, not packs; like sentient apes, not wild dogs. We have mastered fire.

        You have a long way to go to recover your past glory.

        1. PSYCHO Longtobefree adds LIAR to resume

          It does not matter what the gofundme page says.

          It PROVES you FULL OF SHIT on this

          collecting money to buy ladders and spending that money on something else was called fraud.

          One more time for the mentally AND moral deprived.
          THEY ARE NOT COLLECTING MONEY TO BUY LADDERS
          I EVEN USED BOLDFACE FOR YOU PEOPLE

          WHAT DOES THE GoFundMe page SAY?????
          Supporting an organization working to help immigrants seeking legal asylum. This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

          “The page is about what I say it is.”
          This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

          “The page is about what I say it is.”
          This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

          “And I say it is illegal false advertising, so it is.”
          This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

          “You have a long way to go to recover your past glory.”
          This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.

          “Longtobefree”
          In the way that Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini and Hitler were “free”

          The Authoritarian Right can CHANGE REALITY …. by BELLOWING … and SHAKING THEIR FISTS AT THE SKY!
          While drooling

          1. See? It is so simple to start a fire.

            1. You just need to keep your head up you ass …and lie. Again.

  9. I like the clear delineation between those who want to stop/limit the endless flow of illegal immigrants, and those who will stop at nothing to ensure the take over.

  10. Now we need a gofundme for snakes.

    1. Can’t that just be countered with gofundme for mongeese (mongooses?)

      1. Per the infallible Wikipedia, both are correct.
        The plural form is “mongooses”,[6] or, rarely, “mongeese”.[7][8]

        Of course, as Libertarians, we embrace the ‘rarely’ approach.

    2. Oh well – I guess no one ever played snakes and ladders as a kid

  11. Unless I am mistaken, it is a crime to help someone commit a crime.

    1. I thought crimes required victims? Is this a libertarian site?

      1. The People are the victims.

        Same as with someone who commits treason, sedition, espionage….

        1. The people, aka the collective.

          LC, let that lefty flag fly!

          1. What an idiotic thing to say. So if you steal from a business with multiple owners/shareholders, then that is ‘collectivist’ too?

            1. No, not even close. Surely you can see how those things are different.

              1. “No, not even close. Surely you can see how those things are different.”

                Do you? The ability to enforce uniform laws to protect our lives and property are one of the organizing principles of every nation. But the second you don’t like one of those laws, you cry ‘collectivist’.

                Try acting like a fucking adult for a change,

            2. Leo and his anarchist buds call anyone not anarchist- collectivist.

              Libertarians cannot possibly voluntarily pay taxes or agree to this Constitutional Democratic Republic.

              To a fucked up anarchist, you cannot possibly have volunteerism and rule of law.

        2. That’s true. As are witchcraft, blasphemy, wearing a Prez mask on Halloween, and farting on a bus.

          1. Witchcraft is protected by the 1st amendment.

            Blasphemy is also protected by the first amendment.

            Farting is not banned by he constitution.

            Masks are not banned by any constitution, so any law making them illegal is invalid.

        3. I love it when you talk fascist to me.

          1. The constitution sure is some fascism.

            1. Is he for real?

      2. Reason is NOT a Libertarian run website but many of the commenters here are Libertarian.

        Its very Libertarian to enforce national sovereignty.

        1. Its very Libertarian to enforce national sovereignty.

          Rejecting personal sovereignty for national sovereignty is very libertarian.

          1. You cant have personal sovereignty without national sovereignty, because then the other nations, peoples and organizations of the world will just claim sovereignty over you. A small limited, but well defined, national government that enforces the nations borders, is what libertarians should be working toward. This open borders free for all nonsense just invites every other organization on earth to claim dominion over you.

            1. Personal sovereignty exists before collective sovereignty. You can absolutely have the former without the latter.

          2. LC just hates it when individual actions get in the way of his collectivist ideals. He hates it so much that he embraces big government solutions to the problem. He’s even willing to tax, spend, and land grab his way to his collectivist ideals.

            But he’s the real libertarian, just ask.

            1. You consider our constitutional republic to be collectivist. So you’re not exactly a sane source on the subject.

              1. No, I consider the idea of shared property rights to be collectivist.

                For example, the idea that the people (aka government, the collective of citizens) owns all the property in America and gets to define who can and who cannot travel on it with a majority vote. That idea is collectivist.

                1. The big flaw with anarchists. You cant possibly have volunteer shared property rights. You cant possibly have all people agree to have rule of law and a Constitutional Democratic Republic.

                2. As opposed to your anarchist whims? Thanks, I’ll take our constitutional republic over your ramblings anytime.

            2. Leo is a anarchy or bust kind of guy.

              Volunteerism cannot possibly exist putside anarchyland.

          3. What is personal sovereignty again? Is that everyone is their own king? AKA anarchy.

            1. The United Arab Emirates has pretty privatized immigration policies. A sponsor can bring anybody in, temporarily, and is responsible for that guest financially and in terms of liability. To me it’s a really sensible solution.

            2. This is the clearest confirmation of your authoritarian nature. Juice is correct, except how he SEEMS to use “rejecting.” It’s “choosing” — as in “the moral is the chosen.

              Personal sovereignty = individual liberty, i.e. being sovereign over one’s self.
              A core principle in Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence.

              Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

              1) The people are sovereign.
              2) Thus, governments have JUST powers” unless the people consent to … whatever they choose to.
              3) It’s the consent which makes the powers just. A sovereign King has powers but they are not just.
              4) Also a core principle in libertarianism, which Juice got right.

              Only one can be sovereign (supreme)
              a) the people or
              b) an unjust government.

              Its very Libertarian to enforce national sovereignty.

              That is blatantly authoritarian, so typical of the Authoritarian Right.

              THE PEOPLE ARE SOVEREIGN.
              Libertarians enforce NOTHING (in that context)

              This MAY explain your confusion about anarchy.
              Anarchy is ONE example of not YOUR government.
              Another example is a JUST government — also not YOUR depiction of government.

              (A libertarian/free society can have a government, but the exact opposite of YOURS)

              Any questions?

            3. Hihn troll.

  12. This is what drives me crazy about most Libertarians, you want this great free Libertarian society, but you all have hard ons for open borders. WHY? Hmm how are we going to get more votes, and libertarians in office, to start passing libertarian policies? Oh i know lets import several million socialists that will help us. You keep drowning libertarianism in the bathwaters of open borders.

    1. Open border people arent Libertarians. Theyre Lefties or Anarchists.

      1. Yes but they successfully infiltrated the LP platform committee and are turning the platform into a weapon against us.

    2. Open borders will destroy any chance of Libertopia ever happening.

      1. That mangled plank may very well do that.

    3. You may safely ignore two responses from the VERY Authoritarian Right.

      Oh i know lets import several million socialists that will help us

      Can’t fool me. Your “us” is not libertarian, as revealed by “several million socialists.” — since you seem convinced that we cannot show them a better way of getting what they want. Umm ….

      The “caravan” are people who walked hundreds of miles, many risking their lives, to ESCAPE socialism
      When the boat people came here from Cuba … did they come to establish communism, or to escape it?
      Likewise the VietNam boat people. We received over a million of them, and enjoyed the best economy of the late 20th century.

    4. “We” don’t. Hostile ideologues have infiltrated and inserted bad planks (child molesting, coddling confessed murderers) and mangled the good one by turning the Migration plank into a welcome mat for germ warfare terrorists. We need votes to force the looters to repeal bad laws, rather than to turn honest folks into officeholding politicians–though electing a few is good for morale. Libertarian parties are banned in most of Latin America, hence the socialist refugees.

      1. “We” don’t.

        That’s my point! But you are NOT libertarian. VERY authoritarian

        (child molesting, coddling confessed murderers) and mangled the good one by turning the Migration plank into a welcome mat for germ warfare terrorist

        That’s scary, but the next may be scarier,

        We need votes to force the looters to repeal bad laws,

        You need to thinkl WAY outside the (broken box)
        Only Taxpayers can drain the swamp, How to empower them?
        UNdelegating powers is both Jeffersonian and Randian.
        The PRO-LIBERTY (not anti-gummint) notion of competing governments. But don’t go ape-shit. NEW federalism would have state and federal competing for programs, power and revenue. At the lower level, counties and cities compete.

        We cannot win inside a system which has been failing for at least a century. No less than Jefferson STRONGLY opposed the “perpetual” constitution we wound up with.

        1. You will never reform that system if you keep importing people who overwhelmingly vote democrat, and for socialist policies. Sure the caravan people are fleeing their socialist country, but do they know it was socialism that made their country shit? No.

          I was in California this last week and I asked them about their high gas prices, high housing costs, high taxes, poor schools, crime, poverty and homeless, and do you know what pretty much the only answer i got? Donald Trump did it. I couldn’t believe it; these are all state and local problems that have existed for years, Yet somehow everyone seemed convinced that it all started once Trump took office. I said look we don’t have these problems in other states, doesn’t that mean it is a California thing? Nope its Trumps fault.

          Why would they say this? Is it because that all they are told every time they complain about any issue, they’re shown the great boogeyman Donald Trump? So they go through life never knowing that all the pain the government causes them is due to policies they vote for. Look at how clueless the people in Detroit have been for 60 years. They keep voting for the same people that destroyed their city.

          So for you to say that just because the caravan is fleeing a socialist country means, they are not socialist. I find that laughable. I mean we see it all the time when people move from Blue states because of all the high taxes and crime, and then vote for those same policies once they get in a Red state.

  13. Oh yeah? Well, I’m starting a GoFundMe to take over RAICES and covert it into a conflict minerals nonprofit.

    How good are those ladders going to be when they’re in the Congo?

    Suck that, Ladder People!

      1. DON’T START STALKING ME NOW, YOU CRAZY OLD COOT STALKER FAG!

        1. It’s just Hihn’s way of flirting with you. And I think he is into scat too.

        2. Hahah this entire thread has been pretty hilarious. One of my favorites in recent memory.

          1. THREE goobers reject PROOF!
            The Authoritarian Right.

            Left – Right = Zero
            Libertarians reject both (see three examples in this thread)

            How many times can how many goobers repeat the same BLUNDER??

            “This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.”

            How many puppet can dance on a singe string? With the same robotic mind?

            1. What are the odds you find contentment and meaning in life before you die?

              0, or less than 0?

              1. THERE ARE NO LADDERS INVOLVED
                How many times can you repeat the same BLUNDER????

                Brian|12.21.18 @ 9:27PM|#
                What are the odds you find contentment and meaning in life before you die?
                0, or less than 0?

                HOW MANY TIMES CAN BRIAN REPEAT THE SAME BLUNDER????

            2. I only agree to be part of the “Authoritarian Right” if it comes with stylish uniforms too.

              1. I think Hihn wants the part of the sultry bitch.

                1. How many times can how many goobers repeat the same BLUNDER??

                  This GoFundMe isn’t really about ladders at all. It’s about lifting people up.”

        3. THERE ARE NO LADDERS INVOLVED
          How many times can you repeat the same BLUNDER????

          DON’T START STALKING ME NOW,

          HOW MANY MORE TIMES CAN YOU REPEAT THE SAME BLUNDER????

          YOU CRAZY OLD COOT STALKER FAG!

          ROFLMAO

  14. If a North Korean escaped the gulag and whatever nation he fled to offered him asylum on the spot, do you expect him to stomp his feet and say “No no no, I want to go to America, where I can find a job and a better life, and they’ll give me better food”.

    Stop this. Just stop it. These people are economic migrants, if at that. There would be no difference between the caravan and 7 thousand chronically unemployed Japanese citizens flying in and demanding passageway to the US. They bypassed legal asylum process and were assisted by an activist organization who has a vested interest in herding migrants to the United states.

    Go fund me would slash 15% of their workforce with a flick of the wrist to remain solvent. No amount of “uplifting families” rhetoric would change their mind. They’ll throw a hissy fit if SF slapped them with a 30% tax increase to support the refugees. They troll the wall funders but would kiss China’s ring subserviently. Progressive corporate culture is a despicable cesspool.

    If we can’t be the world’s policeman, then don’t have to be the world’s orphanage. Sorry, that’s the deal. Just imagine, a government telling its citizens “We have to take in 7000 poor people from abroad every year, because they only want to come to our country, and we have to spend our own money to take care of them, sorry”. It’s just….. ridiculous. Outside of America and pars of the west they’ll be tarred and feathered.

    1. Outside of America and parts of the west they’ll be tarred and feathered.

      Land of the free. Home of the brave.

      It’s just….. ridiculous.

      Would your ancestors agree?

      P.S. Trump had the deal … and walked away … to please Coulter, Limbaugh, Levin. They own him, and it’s his own blunder, his total lack of business management skills, and his own failures as a deal maker.

      1. MAGA

        1. MAGA = Morons Are Governing America
          MAGA = My Attorney Got Arrested!
          MAGA = My Advisors Going Away!
          MAGA = My Associates Getting Allocutions!
          MAGA = Make America (debt) Great Again.!

        2. Making American Great Again!

          Thanks Trump!

      2. The Gee-Oh-Pee platform calls for a FENCE, a Coathanger Abortion amendment, jailing kids over plant leaves and lots of antipersonnel weapons. Maneuver the looters to where they have to delete some of that or get beaten by Dems eager to inflict carbon taxes and endanger electrical power, and poof… no more Amerikaner Mauer.

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    SINGALONG: “another one bites … another one bites … another one bites THE DUST!”

  17. If any of these donors cared about people at all, they could donate to directly help individuals in Honduras. A thousand dollars goes a lot further there.

    But they don’t care about people.

  18. We have better things to spend $30-50 billion on than a vanity wall for an orange idiot.

    Far too much time and energy has been spent on this silly idea already.

  19. FUCK YOU TRUMP … YOU HAD THE FULL $25 BILLION WALLYOU BROKE THE DEAL

    The immigration deal Trump should’ve taken, but didn’t

    … Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) met privately with Trump at the White House in January, and the two had what was described as the “Cheeseburger Summit.” After the meeting, the Democratic leader seemed optimistic that he and the president had come up with the “framework” for an immigration deal.

    … the basic contours of the deal were straightforward: Schumer was willing to accept funding for a border wall in exchange for DACA protections for Dreamers.

    After Trump negotiated the terms, the White House balked: Chief of Staff John Kelly called Schumer soon after to explain the plan wasn’t far enough to the right for Republicans. Trump himself declared that he’d need far more in any deal, including significant cuts to legal immigration.

    [All Trump] had to do was accept a 10- to 14-year path to citizenship for children of undocumented immigrants brought to the United States at a young age.

    Trump gives Democrats a path to citizenship for 1.8 million Dreamers; Democrats give Trump his full $25 billion wall funding request. [?]

    Deal-maker my ass.
    PUSSY CANNOT KEEP HIS WORD, WHO COULD TRUST HIM?

  20. Maybe the various partisans interested in independently funding the wall (or “ladders”) to get govt out of paying for it could, bare with me here, instead put some money into an HSA and retirement account so the govt doesn’t have to take care of their health and retirement. That would be something to behold.

  21. how about a pole vaulting contest?

  22. But they keep telling me that no one wants open borders!

    1. And we’ll KEEP repeating it until you stop seeing it ONLY in your “mind.”

  23. About half of the ruin, cruelty and violence that destroyed the People’s States south of the border was inflicted by agencies of the U.S. Kleptocracy exporting pseudoscientific sumptuary laws. The rest is traceable to superstitious altruistic collectivism emanating from European socialism and the Papal States–the ideology that signed the Lateran treaties with Mussolini to persecute everything jewish and to use government schools to brainwash children with mysticism. Welcoming the fleeing hordes will in no way improve their lot or our own. The uninspected entry sabotage on the LP platform will rightly alienate the voters who gave us a 328% increase–BEFORE the plank was mangled.

  24. Quick comparison:

    Wall opponents’ GoFundMe: $80,000

    Wall advocates’ GoFundMe: $16,000,000

    If this is a “troll,” it’s a pretty pathetic one.

    1. They both are.

      America’s majority is voiceless

      1. Hihn trolls and his socks are bery upset about this development.

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