Cincinnati Cop Tased 11-Year Old Girl, Told Her 'This Is Why There Aren't Any Grocery Stores in the Black Community'
The girl was in tears as firefighters removed taser barbs from her body.

A Cincinnati cop failed to follow department policy when he tased an 11-year-old girl for shoplifting last month, police investigators say.
As Reason reported last month, Brown was off-duty and working security at a Kroger on August 6 when he investigated three girls believed to be shoplifting. According to a police use of force review, he told one of the girls, 11-year-old Donesha Gowdy, to stop and show her receipt, but she wouldn't listen. Gowdy exited the store, at which point Brown tased her from roughly 10 feet away.
The tasing itself wasn't caught on Brown's body camera, but he turned it on soon after. Then he took Gowdy into the Kroger manager's office. "Sweetheart, the last thing I want to do is tase you like that. When I say stop, you stop. You know you're caught. Just stop. That hurt my heart to do that to you," Brown can be heard telling Gowdy. "You broke the law, and you fled as I tried to apprehend you."
He adds: "You know what, Sweetheart, this is why there aren't any grocery stores in the black community." Brown and Gowdy are both black.
Additional body camera footage shows Gowdy crying as firefighters remove the taser barbs from her body.
Gowdy was eventually taken into custody on charges of theft and obstruction of official business. According to the use of force review, she was accused of stealing $53.81 worth of merchandise, including a backpack, clothing, and drinks. The charges have since been dropped.
But Brown is in hot water. The Cincinnati Enquirer summed up the four department policies he's accused of breaking:
The [grocery stores] comment constituted prejudice.
He did not turn on his body camera until after he deployed his Taser.
He did not warn the girl he was going to use his Taser. He told her to stop three times as she was exiting the store, but did not warn that he was going to escalate his use of force.
The incident wasn't serious enough to deploy a Taser. Police investigators said officers should use the least amount of force necessary when dealing with juveniles.
The Cincinnati Police Department's use of force policies aren't great to begin with. As the Enquirer notes, officers are allowed to tase suspects as young as 7 and as old as 70. But Cincinnati Police Chief Eliot Isaac has defended the use of force policies. "There may be some areas in which we can tweak," he told the Cincinnati City Council's Law and Public Safety Committee yesterday, "but I believe we do have a very solid policy around our use of force."
This isn't the first time Brown has gotten in trouble with the department. Last year he was written up for using a homophobic slur to describe an alleged domestic violence victim. It's not clear what his punishment will be this time around. That's up to Isaac, who will make a decision after Brown gets an internal hearing.
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But...he IS correct that theft is the main reason there are no supermarkets in urban Black neighborhoods.
Shhh... we aren't supposed to talk about that.
The sad part of this is that comment will get him in more hot water (despite him being black) than actually tasing her.
If he is black then by definition he can't be racist or responsible for tasering people.
BTW, in anglo saxon cultures the punishments for stealing used to be severe, if you were an 11 year old kid and got caught stealing you'd have your hand cut off or ear nailed to a post. The only problem here is that girl only got tasered, she should be nailed to a tree right now. At least that is what better cultures do.
Well, cruel or not, harsh punishment IS a way to deter crime. I'm quite confident that if we still lopped off hands for theft above saaay $50 there would be VERY little theft. With crimes that have victims, I'm not really against really severe punishments. How many hands is it worth to drop theft by 98% or whatever it'd be? Not to mention it would save all the people that would have stolen, and been given our current lesser punishments, from doing it in the first place. I think we'd be coming out ahead as a society pretty quick 🙂
Let's not even get started on the punishment for rape, murder, and so on!
Well, while I'm going there?I'd like to see a better picture of the perp. It's not unusual for Black 11-year-olds to be six feet tall and 180 pounds. Use of a non-lethal weapon might not have been completely unreasonable.
My white cousin was 6 feet tall at 11 and always had to argue with the ticket lady to get to see the kids movie at kid prices.
But dude, he was 30.
Well, it was an 11 year old girl, but yeah. I'm not black, and at 11, I was definitely 6 foot and at least 180 lbs. (I was forced by my school to shave off a pretty full beard for graduation. From 8th grade.)
WOW! Hairy subject!
"On average, African American girls show signs of puberty, with breast development and chemical changes in their bodies, almost two years sooner than white girls, at age 8.8. This is according to the largest study on precocious puberty, involving over 17,000 girls, by Marcia Hermann-Giddens of the University of North Carolina, published in 1997 in the journal Pediatrics. By age 8, nearly 50 percent of the black girls but only 15 percent of the white girls had begun pubertal development."
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Are AA women larger on average than "White" (pick your mix of what that means to you) women are?
Sorry, I guess I'm just hung up on the "6 foot and 180 pounds" thing, even though it was a throwaway set of numbers.
Yes, I agree with your overall point that an 11 year old could easily be of adult proportions. I certainly was. I was significantly larger than my mother at 11, and encroaching on my father's size. (I ended up, if not quite the tallest person [younger half brother, 2 inches taller and 120 pounds lighter] certainly the largest in my immediate family.)
Yes, I agree with your overall point that an 11 year old could easily be of adult proportions.
That was part of my point. The other part is that Black children, on the average, reach physical maturity earlier than those of other ethnicities in the US, and so are more likely to have an adult size and appearance. That should be remembered when we read about cases like this. You can't assume that a cop was being overly aggressive with a "little kid" just because the perp was only 11 or 12. Kids today, but most especially Black kids, can easily be big and developed enough at that age to pose a physical threat or even appear to be adults.
Yup, I found that info to be pretty crazy when I first saw it. Asians are the slowest developing. Probably has something to do with R/K mating strategy and how we evolved.
"Overall, African-American boys were more likely to enter puberty earlier than white or Hispanic boys."
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1. Google images shows shes a small girl. Facts are a b.
2. The nice officer tased her IN THE BACK AS SHE WALKED/RAN AWAY. That's not ok, even if she's a he, twice her age, and 4x her size with a solid UFC record. This was a possible property crime and officer Kindly was too damn lazy to run her down. A firm grab of the arm would have been enough to gain compliance, and assert cop-y dominance.
The taser worked just fine, too, and might even have been educational.
And most likely a criminal assault.
Well, it might have been better to keep that observation to himself at least until he had evidence that she had stolen anything at all, which is unclear from the article.
In fact, on the job social commentary probably is not a good idea at all. Especially to eleven year olds.
There aren't too many contexts where someone else would tell her, so I can actually get behind this.
There are supermarkets. But their prices tend to be on the high side, to make up for losses caused by, well, you know.
The reasons for food deserts are many. Increased shrinkage is just one. The major reason is the lower household utilization of supermarkets in poorer communities and cultural choices by those communities. In other words, the locals tend not to shop there and they don't make as much money (even ignoring increased shrinkage)
No, it's just the endless theft.
THIS--
"The major reason is the lower household utilization of supermarkets in poorer communities and cultural choices by those communities"
Is just stupid. Poor people don't use supermarkets? What kind of idiot could even think that's true.
They get forced into using convenience stores, bodegas, and fruit stands because the major chains won't invest the money in building a robbery magnet. They don't WANT to pay convenience store prices for basic needs products--they're FORCED to.
Because of 'shrinkage'
Wal-Mart in most markets, locks up black hair care products now. Why? Because of shrink. Poor and freaky white Wal-Mart shoppers don't seem to need to have their hair care products locked up.
Generally, when you see a black neighborhood with a supermarket it's there because the neighborhood changed.
And it's crappy because of theft. Endless theft.
Yep. In the neighborhood in which I formerly lived (and left just before the riots) the Kroger supermarket finally had to put up steel posts so that nobody could leave the sidewalk directly in front of the store with their cart! When your culture thinks nothing of stealing a $100 cart on every trip you have a problem.
It's not clear what his punishment will be this time around.
I could take an educated guess.
Two week paid vacation and sensitivity training?
Two week paid vacation and sensitivity training?
Reinstatement with back pay after arbitration.
only a few bad apples!
Remember: the Taser was created as a humane alternative to deadly force. So this young girl owes her life to this hero cop and his heroic restraint.
*barf*
There is no way for an adult to physically detain a child that looks good either.
Exactly what I was thinking!
Under no circumstances do I think a security guy at a private business HAS to let somebody just walk away from him when he knows they stole shit. So how to stop someone who isn't listening? Tase them. Grab them, wrap your arms around? Maybe you'll have to tackle and cuff? It's a messy business all around. If he'd grabbed her and dragged her resisting body back into the store, or taken her down and cuffed her, I'm pretty sure the outrage would be 95% as high.
As a 200 lb wrestler in high school, I found it very difficult to control the 120 lb "lightweights". The size of an eleven year old, being a "wiry" child, might be more than any adult would bargain for. After breaking a kid's arm, when I weighed 154 lbs, I was never allowed to wrestle anybody not outweighing me by 50lbs in gym class! I had been part of the wrestling team in a school before moving to the third high school that I attended. They did not have a wrestling team, where the accident occurred..
That hurt my heart to do that to you...
Get well soon?
"Why do you make me hit you, Sharon?"
Probably didn't do her heart much good either.
Which is exactly the opposite of his predator nature and what he actually felt. He's just acting for the camera.
"That hurt my heart to do that to you," Brown can be heard telling Gowdy.
That poor man. My thoughts and prayers are with him.
Oh, wait, reinstatement with back pay and a $30,000 payout for PTSD after the incident goes viral.
Thoughts and prayers
If he had a heart he wouldn't be a cop.
Because black men who believe people shouldn't steal, kill, rape, etc are by default heartless???
There are plenty of bad cops, but it ain't all of them.
Why is Reason hiding Brown's first name?
Officer.
Sometimes you gotta call a pig a pig...
A Cincinnati cop failed to follow department policy when he tased a 7-year-old girl for shoplifting last month, police investigators say.
There's a policy that says cops aren't allowed to tase a 7 yr old?
But Brown is in hot water.
LOL.
Who is the 7 year old girl referenced in the first paragraph?
Shouldn't have tased her, and should had his camera on from the start.
But he's right about the grocery stores, as I understand it.
They close when they have too much loss to theft - then people complain about "abandoning the community".
(I do want to know what the "appropriate level of force is" for a juvenile thief, by their guidelines.
Tackle them? Just let them go? What?
"Tasing is too much" is not a bad line, but what's that leave us with for minors who are thieves?
I mean, "theft is bad" is still a libertarian position, right? One that we must naturally support enforcement against somehow?)
Yeah, the commentariat here puzzles me on that. They're all "property rights are human rights" and revere the Second Amendment and armed self-defense, but then whenever someone makes the news for using force in defense against a criminal, he gets denounced as a savage. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the perp in this case was a fleeing red-handed thief and the officer had been hired by the property owner to protect their store against thieves. The policy of the Cincinnati PD on tasers might be too loose, but I don't have a single tear for the thief. I hope if an eleven-year-old is ever stealing my stuff there will be a cop nearby to tase their ass. It'll be more effective punishment than the juvenile justice system will give them.
The non-aggression principle would apply here since the girl did not try to physically harm anyone. Also, ik prettig dure that Tasers are not designed to h? used on kids
Bullshit. Stealing is aggression. Even though the law does not always recognize it, we have a right to defend our property against thieves.
Girl not trying to physically harm anyone irrelevant to NAP. Assault on property (theft) = ethically to assault on person (my person IS my property).
I think puzzlement may be appropriate. The libertarian position is that a criminal (tortfeasor) shouldn't be punished disproportionally. A shoplifter certainly is violating the store owner's rights, so allowing the criminal (tortfeasor) to go free would be unjust, but most would also agree that summary execution of shoplifters would be unjust. Tasing is a new technology and constitutes a punishment somewhere in between the two extremes. Is the pain caused by a taser disproportionally severe? I think the libertarian legal (justice) implications are still uncertain. If a taser leaves no objective physical evidence, it may be difficult for a libertarian court to make a judgment.
One could argue that a taser is currently the least violent way of stopping a fleeing offender.
a criminal (tortfeasor) shouldn't be punished disproportionally.
Agreed, and the way they claim their right to proportionate justice is by turning themselves in peacefully. If they are fleeing, then force must be used to bring them to justice. The force necessary to apprehend them should be proportionate to their resistance, but need not be proportionate to the crime. While they are evading justice, the offender decides how much violence is proportionate to the crime.
This is NOT an issue of punishment. The kid was not found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court. This was an issue of reasonable force to apprehend someone SUSPECTED of criminality.
In these situations, the security guys usually spot people with their own eyes stealing, and then walk up to bust them. I know, it happened to friends in high school who shoplifted sometimes.
So he knew.
As to the broader point, I don't know that tasing was THAT bad. He could have thrown her to the ground and cuffed her. Picked her up and dragged her kicking and screaming. ANY way would have left just as much room for people to whine, because ZOMG it's an 11 year old girl! Kids should be treated a little differently, but you still gotta deal with them. Hopefully this chick learned her lesson!
Grab them? Is that so hard?
If she had resisted, the YouTube videos of that could have looked much worse than a tasing.
Wrong on tasing the kid, but he's right about theft. It's one of those things you can't say though
Because that's how you have one of those "important dialogues about race" isn't it.
The taser is supposed to be considered a half step below lethal force - is this cop saying that the threat was so serious that he needed to skip right past smacking her with a baton and almost right to shooting her in the back to apprehend someone suspected of a medium-level misdemeanor?
Is he claiming a Terry Stop gives a cop cover to use this level of force against people who won't talk to the police?
He tazed a shoplifter. Let me count the number of ways I don't care.
Again, stop publishing articles about criminals getting their asses kicked. They are supposed to get their asses kicked.
Libertarians can't have their cake and eat it too. Having property rights means being able to take reasonable steps to protect that property. And if the odd criminal suffers some brain damage or has their feelings hurt no one cares.
Little shits like this kid routinely bankrupt small businesses. It's also the reason why retail business steer clear of bad neighborhoods and only do business behind plexiglass at marked up prices when they do.
Honestly, I'd much rather see a Singapore style solution like caning. I'm pretty sure the suspect wouldn't pull this crap again after that beating. Of course, the same crowd that wrote this article would complain about "human rights." Strange how the rights of the shop owner never get mentioned.
Singapore does not permit caning of minors
that's awfully nice of them.
This happened precisely because the child involved "knew" nothing would happen to them when they engaged in theft.
When society removed the ability of it's citizenry and police to give misbehaving minors an ass kicking combined with community based shaming for petty crime, they incentivized petty crime.
This is something the libertarian community, again, gets wrong. If you don't want the state disciplining a given population, then the local populace has to do it. Or society fails.
The child that stole the store's property had done this before. Probably many times in the past. All because no one ever held the her accountable for her criminal behavior. Instead of a spanking administered by her mother, a slap from an older shopper or store manager, she got tazed. She was tazed, because society had removed all other methods of controlling her criminal behavior.
And if the security officer had been forced to wrestle her to the ground, in which she would have violently resisted, she would have been injured far worse.
I know you think you're trolling, but you've got it right. It makes no sense to enshrine human rights and then turn around and denigrate those who defend their rights.
Actually, I'm not trolling.
Libertarianism has a lot to offer. But no one is going to ever take it seriously unless it can come up with actual answers to hard problems.
Free association, property rights, etc is all great stuff. But Libertarians writ large struggle to deal with the fact that criminals do what they do as a matter of choice and they have no real answers on what to do about people who make choices that intentionally harm others.
Writing fluff pieces like this that basically come down to "look what that mean law enforcement type did to the underage criminal" only makes the rest of society take the libertarian viewpoint less seriously.
Anything security could have done to apprehend this juvenile delinquent would have been far more violent. And if any retail business lets thieves go 10 times a day with $54 in goods they won't be in business long.
This article offered no solution to the problem of theft committed by a juveniles. It did make libertarians look even less serious than they already do to the general public.
Interesting.
I thought the standard libertarian approach was for the business to carry insurance against damages, amotrize the costs through the products, or otherwise institute better design to prevent loses (tickets for high theft items kept in the back, etc.).
Alternatively, you would notify your private security firm to notify your arbitration specialist to pursue civil damages, and if no civil awards could be procured, you could always make an angry Facebook post with pictures, and let the invisible hand of the market be your agent of justice (I mean hey, if it is good enough protection against shifty business, it must be good enough for shifty potential customers, right?)
Or you could just put up a "No Coloreds" sign.
I'm actually excited by this new interpretation of the NAP (Not Against my Property) where libertarians can cast off the old shackles of outdated belief and finally embrace their true natures. Natural rights are so pass?. Stuff is where its at.
I can finally put a bounty on the fascist who allows his Bluebell to relieve itself in my yard without payment of rent, confident I am will within this weeks interpretation of natural rights.
You don't have to worry about that.
It was an 11 year old kid.
Oh shit! There's a horde of Native Americans on the horizon.
And they look pissed.
First, you aren't going to be able to get and keep insurance for long if you let every thief that walks in the door walk off with your stuff.
Second, an 11 year old kid didn't do anything. A juvenile offender stole $54 worth of someone else's property.
Again, how do libertarians square the need to use force against criminals and others that intentionally harm the innocent? If you cannot do that, then the philosophy doesn't work.
Bad people in the world do bad things. They do not respond to reason, discussion, or other people calling them bad people. They don't pay civil fines as they don't abide by the law in the first place.
How are you going to stop them from destroying the place like they do in Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Albania, Russia and every other third world country on the face of the planet? If you cannot keep these guys in check you end up with Afghanistan where violence is endemic or Russia where they run the place.
Not everyone is a product of the US university system and versed in the merits of self restraint. How do you deal with violent, stupid and intentionally malicious people that do not care about your laws, their Facebook status and have no hard assets to confiscate?
Sorry, I'm going to need a note from your mother assuring me your 11 year old self never misappropriated property. Ever.
That's a tazing.
So, if I am understanding the libertarian argument correctly, when a rugged individualist reluctantly uses force in the defense of property, that is a shining beacon of liberty. When the state does it, it is despotic tyranny.
Of course no libertarian would ever misapprehend a situation nor misrepresent such a show of force.
I see that door of government regulation crack just a little bit wider.
I believe the NAP does have a provision for self-defense. It is truly a brave new world to see that logically extended to property as well. No fines for polluters. Just bust a cap in them.
Of course you are absolutely free to defend your property in any way you see fit. You are also free to deal with the consequences of said action.
Just don't whine about about the tyranny of the state while expecting it to protect you.
You clearly have absolutely no understanding of libertarianism or the non-aggression principle, and are very weak on the concept of rights.
"Before you talk, you should read a book."?The B52s
Qsl,
You just come across as a whining 12 year old with comment like this. Boo hoo.
Come up with a practical solution to said problem or go back to your grandmother's basement. I'm sure your Ramen is getting warm now.
Proportional-ish use of force to protect property is fine by the NAP. What is proportional is of course a bit subjective. Getting tased may be a bit harsh here, but probably no harsher than tackling and cuffing her would have been!
Vek,
Thank you. And if the article had simply stated that, it would go a long way towards advancing the libertarian cause.
So much of what Reason writers put out seems to be little more than clickbait and definitely hurts the cause they are attempting to advocate for.
Yeah, it was an eleven year old criminal. Criminal.
He tazed a SUSPECTED shoplifter. He used IMHO unreasonable force in apprehending/detaining her.
I got no problem with the little thief receiving a tazing for her crime. I got REAL FUCKING BAD problems with a cop giving her such a tazing before she is found guilty in a court with all her due process protections, and because he's too lazy or too sadistic to pick up his fucking pace and grab her by the arm.
This guy wasn't acting as a cop at the time.
Imagine he was just some random 25 year old dude working security, not a cop. Would it be okay then?
Dont feel bad. Dont steal shit. Dont get tased.
At least he used his taser instead of unloading his service pistol at her...that's progress. Nevertheless, law enforcement personnel in general need to be held to the same standards as any civilian when it comes to the use of force. Tasing should trump deadly force whenever possible. Citing the danger of their job doesn't justify unleashing full fury at the least provocation. They get paid to face those circumstances and if they aren't up to it, they should be extensively retrained or do something else. Most are good folks, but one cowboy is one too many.
law enforcement personnel in general need to be held to the same standards as any civilian when it comes to the use of force.
I agree. It ought to be legal for a civilian to tase a fleeing thief.
Depends on how fast the thief is fleeing. I don't see anything in the article saying that the kid was sprinting away. If that were the case, I would say that it was justified, but it sounds like the kid was walking away and just wouldn't respect the Officer's aahthoritaaay, for which she got tazed.
Fire him. At least 5 years w/o parole for 1st degree assault and battery and attacking a minor.
GFY
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He's lucky he's black...
I have three questions about the events reported in this article:
First, given that the charges were dropped, I question whether or not the girl was actually guilty of theft. If she was not, then the officer has clearly committed a tort against her.
Second, I wonder what instruction, if any, Kroger management gave the officer when he was hired. The officer was acting as their agent, rather than that of the police department, and the issue should be viewed from that context. If the management called for a limit on the use of force that would not permit the tasering, then the officer stands alone in responsibility; otherwise Kroger management shares that responsibility.
Third, I wonder if the officer's primary employment with the police is providing a level of immunity for him. If it does, this is the crux of the problem with the scenario. By providing that immunity, the police force could have easily led the officer to act with less restraint that he would have if he knew that he would be held fully accountable for his actions. I suspect this is the case, and the author could have highlighted this issue better.
Yes, the girl was guilty of theft. She was seen putting items into the backpack, which itself was stolen. It's no surprise the charges were dropped given the negative publicity this has generated.
Yes, the officer was acting as the agent of the Kroger store management, who have the right to defend themselves against thieves.
Yes, a private security officer probably would have been reluctant to use force for fear of liability. That's unfortunate. Private citizens ought to have the right to tase a fleeing thief.
FYI, police are ALWAYS on duty. Their oath of office has no "hours of operation/effectiveness". Given that, the doctrine of respondeat superior doesn't apply to Kroeger. It's the same reason that you can't sue the municipality for one cops bad behavior unless you can show policy and custom a) by way of pattern and practice b) written of c) ratified and condoned by acquiescence. And any immunities follow the functions of his office, not the person performing them. (I'm waiting for Joe Citizen to claim Qualified Immunity under the 14th amendments privileges and immunities clause when performing the functions of law enforcement against some jack booted thug.)
I believe that answers all 3 of your points..
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We all know how violent, vicious and homicidal eleven year old can be.
She was lucky she wasn't shot.
Maybe next time.
"You know what, Sweetheart, this is why there aren't any grocery stores in the black community."
GOLD!
Especially coming from a probably more or less upstanding black guy.
Tasing someone who won't submit to arrest for theft is not excessive force. It needs to happen more often, no matter how small the theft.
You are incorrect. Tazing is considered by the courts to be dangerous and deadly. The kid did not resist, she merely wouldn't stop walking away.
He tazed a SUSPECTED shoplifter. He used IMHO unreasonable force in apprehending/detaining her.
I got no problem with the little thief receiving a tazing for her crime. I got REAL FUCKING BAD problems with a cop giving her such a tazing before she is found guilty in a court with all her due process protections, and because he's too lazy or too sadistic to pick up his fucking pace and grab her by the arm.
The tasing is not punishment for theft. It is fully-called-for compulsion to stop resisting arrest.
Yeah! Kind of like shooting-in-the-back in Salt Lake City or Seneca.
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Haha. This story is hilarious!
I have no sympathy for this chick. Mainly just because it's funny, and she's fine. Maybe she'll learn a life lesson.
I feel sorry for the black cop though. I feel really bad for black folks that aren't stereotypical ghetto trash. It's gotta piss them off so bad how dysfunctional the black community is and all the problems it creates. The grocery store comment is clearly him venting that.
Do the Republicans get to deport the child to Africa for "fleeing" under their new law?
No they don't but the cops gets charged instead of the thief but that is as it should be. This cop would not be in trouble if he had turned a blind eye to that the girl did but as it is he will lose his job just for doing his job. I would not be surprised that the store did not also let the girl keep what she stole.
That is the way things like this should go down. The theft is let go and the officer is facing the law now.
Brown is an idiot & should be fired.
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