Donald Trump

The Unindicted Co-Conspirator in the Oval Office

Donald Trump will serve the remainder of his presidency under the specter of prison.

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"Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit."—Matthew 7:17

There is one apparent reason the president of the United States was not indicted Tuesday in the same case that yielded a guilty plea from his longtime personal lawyer. It's not because prosecutors think he is innocent. It's because he is president.

The U.S. Justice Department has long taken the position that a sitting president is exempt from indictment. Only after he leaves office are prosecutors free to pursue criminal charges against him. Unless that policy changes, Donald Trump will serve the remainder of his time in office under the specter of prison.

Let that sink in a moment. Prosecutors may postpone his indictment. Congress may refuse to impeach him or convict him. But Americans will be living under the administration of someone who has been implicated in a crime by a close associate—and who they may eventually learn is guilty of one or more felonies. The nation is being governed by an unindicted co-conspirator.

Trump's defenders deprecate the importance of the campaign finance violations that Michael Cohen admitted. They make much of the absence of any connection to Russia. They take vindication from a jury's failure to convict Paul Manafort on 10 of the 18 charges that he faced.

It's tempting to call such defenders slavish. But slaves were often unenthusiastic and slow in performing their assigned tasks. Trump's defenders need no whips to motivate them.

They are better described as cultlike in their fervent willingness to believe whatever they have to believe to remain faithful. They would rather eat the foul fruit than recognize the nature of the tree.

If we know nothing else about Trump, we know that he finds the company of criminals as warm and inviting as a Jacuzzi. No president in history has shown such a fondness for employing people of felonious character. So far, five of his associates have been convicted of crimes or pleaded guilty.

It is people of firm probity who make Trump uncomfortable—James Comey, who wouldn't agree to "go easy" on one of those confessed felons (Michael Flynn); Robert Mueller, who has served his country as a decorated Marine, federal prosecutor, and FBI director, all without a hint of scandal; Rod Rosenstein, who has refused to fire Mueller as special counsel; and a host of journalists whose sole sin is to report unflattering facts about Trump.

Let's not forget his deep animus for Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption against him or anyone in his circle of aides or associates. The closest thing to a major criminal case in that White House involved CIA Director David Petraeus, who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of giving classified documents to his biographer.

It is not impossible that Cohen committed his campaign finance crimes—paying hush money to keep two women from making public their claims of having sex with Trump, to help him win the election—without the knowledge or approval of his boss.

But Trump hasn't earned the benefit of any doubt. At every stage, he has told lies that were later exposed and acknowledged. The president denied that he knew of the payment to Stormy Daniels, only to later admit it. He also had to admit that he personally reimbursed Cohen, who originally insisted that he bore the cost.

Speaking of people willing to make financial sacrifices out of their devotion to Trump, his former campaign manager was convicted on eight felony counts Tuesday. Trump said the convictions "had nothing to do with Russian collusion," but Manafort had extensive ties to a Russian oligarch and Russian businesses—and owed them millions of dollars.

At the time he took the job with Trump, his defense lawyers admitted during the trial, Manafort had no income. Yet Trump was happy to let him run the campaign. Did Trump not know that his unpaid campaign manager was in financial trouble that gave pro-Russian foreign interests leverage over him? Or did he not think to wonder why Manafort was so eager to work for nothing?

Manafort is just one of the noxious products of a corrupt tree. Tuesday was a bad day for the president and the country. But our experience with Trump suggests that the worst is yet to come.

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  1. What a bunch of crap. Show me another President who hasn’t used campaign funds to pay hush money to a couple of porn stars in the midst of a Presidential campaign and then lied about it repeatedly. Why Bill Clinton raped that women, Paula Deane, 82 times back in Arkansas and then had his wife cover it up by killing Vincent Bugliosi with the candlestick in the West Wing. And the American people let him walk scot-free. WHAT A BUNCH OF FUCKING SHEEPLE!!! TRUMP DINN’T DO NOTHING WRONG!!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!! ITS TIME WE LOCK UP HILLARY FOR HER EMAILZ!!!

    1. If only there were a ‘like’ button . . .

      1. You left out a couple of MAGA!s.

    2. In that case, your devotion to the orange creep is completely justified.

    3. Hillary Clinton had a massive star-studded concert, in which she was caught on tape admitting it was not “above board”, and nothing. Reason can get fucked.

      1. And Obama is a Muslim, born iin Kenya!

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano and his multiple sockpuppets.

          1. Ha! Goober moron how could I be two people at once?! Can you even read?

            *snort*

            Go back to your double wide and deep fry a .30-06 you cousin-fucker! Ha!

            1. That’s not me. It’s a fake — probably White Privilege. Anyone can create a fakename by using a number one to replace the letter L.

              Sick?

              1. How am I supposed to know another poster is not you if I ignore every one that has any chance of being you?

                1. THAT is why I filed a formal complaint. But this is the weekend.

        2. Obama is something a good deal worse than a Muslim. He’s a Socialist. He, and people like him, desperately want to convert the country over to State Worship, because then they can bully people into living The One True Way.

          Had the Media treated Obama as the do any Republican President, his would have been a scandal-rocked administration, and Shrillary would be in prison.

    4. Please leave this forum, which is devoted to intellectual probity. Go back to watching Hannity.

  2. Let’s not forget his deep animus for Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption against him or anyone in his circle of aides or associates

    OHMYGERD… ARE YOU KIDDING? HUSSEIN OBAMA ONCE PUT HIS FEET UP ON HIS DESK THEREBY DEFLOWERING THE PEOPLE’S PROPERTY WITH HIS PROBABLE FOOT STENCH!!! SCANDAL FREE MY BLACK ASS!!!

    1. Bold text and all-caps? I’ve only seen the progs use that “persuasive” form of argument here.

    2. This is the point in the article where I went from snickering to full on laughter. Yeah, no flies on Obama. Unless of course you consider selling guns to drug cartels, exchanging terrorists for a deserter, all of Hillary’s issues as SoS, assassinating American citizens [dubious as they were] without a trial, plane loads of cash to a terrorist nation, weaponizing the IRS, CIA spying on political opponents, and I’m getting bored with the rehash. I know…. phony scandals!

      Seriously, any writer who has this much invested in one Party that he can’t be remotely honest about that which plagues them all including his own needs to give up any claim on “journalism”. Nothing but propaganda here or in anything else he’s written.

      1. Let’s not also forget Obama’s sending, without informing Congress and in secret, $1.7B in cash to Iran in exchange for prisoner release. Also, his last-minute executive order releasing previously confidential information on untold numbers of American citizens to all government agencies. Along with Benghazi and Fast and Furious, each of these four topics is deserving of a special counsel investigation.

        1. Let’s not also forget Obama’s sending, without informing Congress and in secret, $1.7B in cash to Iran in exchange for prisoner release

          It was not in secret. Did you not see the pallets?
          It was Iran’s money, We had seized it. As had most European nations.
          And it was not just Obama. It was a joint agreement, also involving the United Nations Security Council and the European Union

          To force the deal, Obama worked with our allies to impose sanctions on Iran, to be lifted if they agreed
          Iran agreed. And all our allies have certified that Iran is honoring the deal.

          Trump disagrees, the same guy who has FAILED to negotiate a single deal, and has actually been humiliated by both Kim and Vladimir. Remember when our President proclaimed that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat. He has made us MORE endangered by nuclear threats.

          So, you’re not the only one he has flummoxed. So far.

          1. Look, idiot, that money never belonged to the current regime. It being ed to the Shah, the oroefious government end others. Not the current terrorists regime. It if you favor forking over pallet loads of cash to a state sponsor of terrror in oayment of ransom to said terror sponsors, that son you.

            It’s certainly not American.

            1. Cut the bullshit.

              1) You support allowing a state sponsior ot terrorism to develop nuclear weapons.

              2) You FAIL to justify our keeping the money.

              Obama got a deal, including all our allies and the UN, that stopped Iran’s nuclear development. Trump has NOTHING … ANYWHERE … for all his bravado, posturing and bellowing. His bullying is as useless as yours. But SO manly.

              THE GOAL WAS TO FREEZE IRAN’S NUCLEAR DEVELOPMENT.

              Complaining about a problem, without posing a solution, is whining.
              -Theodore Roosevelt

              Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain,
              and most fools do. –Benjamin Franklin

        2. So Obama is “guilty” of covert action that was not illegal, and that was pretty much the same thing that St. Ronald had done?

          1. You and David both called him out Presskh, so I don’t have to!

            1. Are you fucking kidding? ‘David’ is another one of your socks, Hihn.

      2. Let’s look again at Obama’s international campaign funding that was opened and had absolutely no way of tracking where it was coming from…There’s “no there, there” I’m sure.

      3. There may be flies on Obama, but Trump has been wallowing in pigshit and smiling that big cheeto grin the whole time.

  3. Fuck off, Chapman, you lazy ass democrat partisan. Your TDS is out of control and you have no grip on the reality of the situation. We have a lot of unfounded claims right now that do not rise to the level of the crimes you purport them to be. Is it possible we see impeachment proceedings akin to those of Bill Clinton? Of course that could happen; especially if the Republicans lose congress. We have the example of John Edwards doing similar to what it is claimed Trump did and despite the more fitting allegations against Edwards he wasn’t found guilty. Ignoring the campaign finance violations of nearly every politician that often rise far beyond the allegations against Trump makes the unhinged partisan nature of your criticisms obvious.

    1. Fuck off, MasterThief, you lazy ass republican partisan. Your TDS is out of control and you have no grip on reality….

      1. Swing and a miss.

      2. Glad that you agree that Chapman is a lazy ass Democrat partisan.

        1. As opposed to a lazy ass Trumpian partisan? What’s lazy is the “what about (insert name of irrelevant other politician here)?”

          1. Trump is the good guy right now. There is no equivalence.

            1. Trumpsters lose ? AGAIN!

              Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

              Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

              ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

              The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

              Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

              Congressional GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

              1. GOP has lost 7% against Dems … under Trump!

                Gallup’s latest ?(July, 2018)

                This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Partisan registrations includes leaners, plus states have widely varying rules.
                Republicans 26%
                Democrats 30%
                Independent 41%

                The link has monthly polling since 2004.

                Compare when Trump took office
                Republican 28%
                Democrat 25%
                Independent 44%

                Both parties have declined under Trump (YAY). Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4, a 7% LOSS under Trump
                Each tribe, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. All of America is waiting to be saved by them

                Left – Right = Zero

                1. PROOF … COLLUSION!
                  And a totally psycho lie by Giuliani

                  Russian invitation to Donald Jr.
                  The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

                  This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump ? helped along by Aras and Emin.
                  Source: Donald Trump Jr’s own Twitter feed!!!

                  LOCK HIM UP!

      3. Cool story bro

      4. Oh, well your posting certainly has totally changed my opinion and opened my eyes. What the hell is the point of your little rant Horny? You really think you are going to change supporters minds?

        After the shit the democrats have pulled in the last few cycles, I don’t give a good Gdamn if he wants to fire Mueller, Rosenstein, and send Hillary to Guantanamo. I still support man.

      5. Lizard, you’re as dumb as Chapman.

    2. Does disliking the orange anti-capitalist make one a democrat partisan these days?

      1. Butler T. Reynolds|8.23.18 @ 10:33AM|#
        “Does disliking the orange anti-capitalist make one a democrat partisan these days?”

        Making up funny names makes you a pathetic piece of shit.

        1. Nuh-uh.

          1. Nuh-huh!

      2. Not on its own it doesn’t. I don’t like Trump. Having read a couple dozen Chapman articles does make it clear that he favors the democrats. That aside, his constant hammering of Trump on issues that don’t warrant the amount of outrage produced is annoying and an example of TDS

        1. You are absolutely correct. Reason has a ton of democrats writing for it which is why they overlook all the Obama and Clinton corruption and focus on a dude whose only “crime” is paying off strippers to stay silent about consensual relationships. Looks like Reason been infiltrated by the Dems just like the Libertarian Party has sold out to embrace people like William Weld.

          1. Libertarians are neither right not left .. since they are both equally corrupt
            That means we oppose them both, when appropriate.

            If you think everyone fits into one of two boxes, you have been obsolete for nearly 50 years.
            Indeed, left and rifght COMBINED are now less than 40%. And still shrinking.

            Stay with Breitbart, Infowars and StormFront, where you’ll find many kindred spirits
            P.S.. We libertarians will defend you being, reading and saying whatever you want
            We like to call it individual; liberty. Consider supporting us on that, And our Founders.

            1. As a huge progressive, why do you consider it appropriate for you to talk about libertarians? Maybe you should stay with Media Matters, Vox, and The Village Voice, where you will find many kindred spirits. As you are against individual liberty.

      3. LOL if you don’t agree with a Trumpster then you are, according to them, a fucking low life socialist low information sell out.

        1. No, there are lenty of reasonable conservatives and libertarians that have varying amount of issue with Trump. It’s when the shrill nonsensical progtarded bullshit, or the open borders nonsense, or even attacking him on tariffs, but only Trump’s tariffs where it becomes a problem.

          1. You don’t lmow what tariffs are EITHER!!!
            Or who opposes them!!!

    3. For God’s sake, By turning off the CVV part on his website, Obummy took MILLIONS IN ILLEGAL FOREIGN DONATIONS, mostly from the Chinese in 2008 & 2012 & just got a slap on the wrist from the FEC!!!….What Trump did is nothing compared to that!

      1. Billy Backdoor Clinton sold high tech military secrets for campaign money to China, and other nations. He was given the door for lying about a blowjob to cover for it.

    4. PROOF … COLLUSION!
      And a totally psycho lie by Giuliani

      Russian invitation to Donald Jr.
      The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

      This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump ? helped along by Aras and Emin.
      Source: Donald Trump Jr’s own Twitter feed!!!

      LOCK HIM UP!

      1. What was Hillary’s dealings with Russia? How would they be useful to Trump’s campaign?

        1. I PROVED guilt. Your turn.
          More …

          Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

          Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

          ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

          The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

          Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

          GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

          1. I asked you two questions. You didn’t answer either.

            1. You made an unsupported assumption — as a diversion.
              And, stupid. You DEMAND that *i* comment on the usefulness of something *YOU* don’t know even exists.

              And now try intimidating em …on something you know nothing about … as a cowardly diversion

              You’re way above your grade.

              1. Hihn, do we need to have all these other accounts of your purged too? You go away now.

                1. Also Hihn, I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word ‘proof’.

                  Stupid senile progtard.

                  1. Last of the Shitheads says THIS IS NOT PROOF!!

                    Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

                    Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

                    ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

                    The tweets are about to get crazier. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s CFO. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

                    Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

                    GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

                    1. Yeah, you keep ranting and raving. It’s all bullshit. You really don’t understand the definition of proof.

    5. Why the hell does anyone need Reason ? There are ample endless Trump bashing on other sites, such as Huffpo and Vox.

      Keep this shit up and lose my print subscription. I subscribe to hear LIBERTARIAN ideas. Lately all you want to do is bash Trump. . .

      1. The financial supporters of the Reason foundation such as the Kochs are very angry at Trump for the tariffs.

        Also, this article is from the Chicago Tribune:
        http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..story.html

        1. It’s not just the Kochs, and a lot more than just tariffs.
          I’ll give you the benefit of doubt, and assume you’re new to politics.
          Are you old enough to vote?

          1. You could give me the benefit of the doubt without being a derisive asshole about it.

            1. No, he really can’t. He is a Hihn sock puppet and therefore a deranged, idiotic, drooling shithead progtard.

              So, no.

        2. So what is Reason doing reprinting Chicago Trib articles, unless written by those famous for their libertarian sentiments and expressing same? I read through this piece and started to wonder what marked this as a Reason piece, then saw at the end that it really wasn’t.

          1. If you knew this web site — or libertarianism — you’d know that at least 5 writers and/or editors (that I know of) are also nationally syndicated columnists This is a bad thing?

            Would it be worse if they had a nationwide TV show?

            1. Fuck off Hihn.

      2. Clearly, you have no idea what “LIBERTARIAN ideas” are. We are neither left nor right, or we’d be liberals or conservatives. We “bash” BOTH corrupt sides, left and right, when appropriate.

        Left – Right = Zero

        1. A libertarian magazine should therefore employ libertarians who are capable of both, not reprint garbage from those who can only do one or the other to its extreme.

          Your idiotic equation would suggest that Pelosi + Lee = Ron Paul. I won’t begin to count the logic errors in that.

          A look at the articles this writer has produced proves beyond any shadow that he is simply a propagandist and hasn’t had a libertarian thought, except to dismiss it.

          1. A libertarian magazine should therefore employ libertarians who are capable of both, not reprint garbage from those who can only do one or the other to its extreme.Another one whio fails to understand libertarianism.

            Your idiotic equation would suggest that Pelosi + Lee = Ron Paul.

            Unmm, that would be be Pelosi – Paul = Zero.

            I won’t begin to count the logic errors in that.

            You;d lose. Bigly.
            You DEFEND Ron’s shameful bill that would have forbidden SCOTUS from even hearing any appeals to DOMA. Your FAUX knowledge of libertarianism would DEFEND homosexuals the first to be denied ANY defense of Constitutional rights … since slavery! Shame on both of you.

            Do you also LIE about federalism vs KKK-style “states rights,” shitting on the 9th and 14th Amendments, balance of power, three co-EQUAL branches.

            A look at the articles this writer has produced proves beyond any shadow that he is simply a propagandist and hasn’t had a libertarian thought, except to dismiss it.

            YOU THINK RON PAUL IS LIBERTARIAN! (lol)

            Typical of the Authoritarian Right.

            Left – Right = Zero

            1. Correction Opening exchange

              A libertarian magazine should therefore employ libertarians who are capable of both, not reprint garbage from those who can only do one or the other to its extreme.

              Another one who fails to understand libertarianism

            2. Ron Paul is way more Libertarian than most in the Libertarian party!…LGBT agenda wants special rights at the expense of everyone else’s Natural & Constitutional Rights!

              1. Ron Paul is the only person in Congress clearly deserving of a vote IMO.

              2. Endowed by a CREATOR with unalienable rights,
                Reject the anti-Christ, Accept the true Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, Beg his forgiveness.

                1. We’ve moved on from sky-wizards. We now know them as naturalistic rights. No need to bring religion into this.

              3. That;s how bad Ron Paul is. He conned you into believing that you have a “Natural and Constitutional Right” to … piss on the 9th and 14th Amendments.

                How does marriage equality threaten your rights?
                Where was government given ANY power to deal with marriage?

              4. LGBT don’t want special rights, they want equal rights, big fucking difference there, mate.

      3. Damn right. I am likely not renewing. This anti-Trump all the time shit I can get from the likes of CNN or MSNBC.

        1. Libertarians are neither liberal nor conservative. Thus we are not puppets-dancing-on-a-string to either.
          Trump, an authoritarian, is the precise opposite of that. Just as Bernie is.

          Left – Right = Zero

          1. Well, Left minus Right probably equals Center, but a middle-of-the-aisle person simply cannot form an opinion.

            1. I assume R.K. Phillps never you never took algebra. Ot flunked it. T

              here’s only one possible meaning.

              If you subract one thing from a different thing and get zero …. that means the two have precisley equal valuie.

              but a middle-of-the-aisle person simply cannot form an opinion.

              I suspect we both have an accurate “opinion” of your intelligence algebraic competence..

      4. Reason bashed Obama, it’s Trump’s turn. Also Trump isn’t a Liberatarian; he’s a fascist.

        1. Noooo?..that’s dizzy Lizzie the fascist.

  4. I suppose we could alternately have an unindicted President that knowingly, and repeatedly, violated rules and laws regarding protection on classified info as a means to attempt to evade FOIA. Not to mention used their office in conjunction with a supposed charity for influence peddling.

    What have we learned here?
    In politics, scum rises to the top.

  5. Or not. Cohen’s guilty plea is useless. If Trump is guilty of anything, it’s having a cadre if ignoble people around him. Meanwhile, so long as the economy doesn’t tank, there will be no blue wave and he’ll get re-elected in 2020.

    1. Don’t you read Palin’s Buttplug’s posts? The economy IS tanking ever since Drumpf took over.

      However, even if that wasn’t the case, the #BlueWave is guaranteed to happen in November (meaning Democrats win a majority in the House) and whoever the Democrats nominate in 2020 will become President. Orange Hitler has zero chance of reelection.

      1. Note: Orange Hitler is now one of my fantasy football team names.
        Thanks, OBL!

      2. PB’s posts are tough to miss, though I have (and likely no one else has) ever managed to read through an entire one – my eyeballs roll back rather quickly.

        1. Hard to miss, like a pool of the most foul vomit imaginable.

      3. You’re underestimating just how much the DNC’s adoption of intersectionality, the postmodern world view and social and corporate authoritarianism is repelling people.

        Its fellow travelers don’t help either. A lot of ordinary people view voices like Sarah Jeong’s as representative of the party.

        1. Why are there so many more Democrats than Republicans?

          “There are approximately 30,700,138 registered Republicans in the U.S, and approximately 43,140,758 registered Democrats. “

          Here are Gallup’s latest — July, 2108
          This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Registrations include leaners

          Republicans 26%
          Democrats 30%
          Independent 41%

          The link has monthly polling since 2004.

          Compare when Trump took office
          Republican 28%
          Democrat 25%
          Independent 44%

          Both parties have declined under Trump, and Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4
          Each party, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. Tribalism reigns supreme!

          You were saying?

          1. In my state, the Republicans changed the voter registration, so whomever you vote for in the primaries becomes “your party”. Yay.

            1. Hmmm. I always think of Washington State, which has open primaries … and no partisan registration. What I loved, as a libertarian is that Washingtonians think it’s an invasion of privacy for the government to even ask for your party.

              And, it takes only 100-200 signatures (I forget the exact number) to run for even statewide office.

          2. Some states don’t have a registry for party affiliations.

      4. Drumpf. . .That is SO CLEVER! It makes me immediately wish Hillary had been elected, and I realize that everything I have observed in my 59 years of life and multiple college degrees has been a lie!

        Do you really believe you are going to impress anyone other than your petulant prepubescent children you call friends?

        Orange Hitler eh? Who has he rounded up and sent to death camps? How has he consolidated his power? Where are his brownshirts? Why is everyone in the media free to insult and attack, yet, not disappearing in the middle of the night?

        Can’t even post under your real name. You must be a bot.

        1. Hey, leave him alone. He gets so much joy out of copy-pasting other people’s opinions and giggling over name-calling where literally everyone you don’t like is literally… Hitler.

          Heck, I remember those special days myself back in the second grade when making fun of last names was the thing, and then you could say they had cooties and play the name game with their name. Those were some special times, so let’s not bust his chops too hard.

          1. Heck, I remember those special days myself back in the second grade

            Why did it take you so long to get where you are now, 4th grade?

        2. Everyone is free to call names and attach. Trump has exhibited fascist tendencies so we call him Chief Cheeto, Twitler, and Cheeto Benito for a reason.

        3. About five of the posters in this article are all Hihn. Reason need to keep ban/purhpgjbg his accounts until he gets the message.

      5. That’s President Orange Hitler.

        1. ^ This

    2. I hear ya. No #BlueWave nor #BlueTsunami just more #BlueBalls for the Progressives!

      1. There’s no way the Dems don’t win the House in November and a good chance for the Senate. We’ll see what happens then. I would prefer they bring some Sanity back to the government and end some of this insanity from Twitler and his “republican” followers.

        1. Fuck off Hihn.

    3. Sorry all evidence points in the other direction. I’m sorry your boy is going down for impeachment, but it’s going to happen. Everyone is turning on him. Minus a bunch of pardons he isn’t going to make long before he will have to resign and let Pence become president.

  6. You’d think that Reason of all places would see this sore-loserism for what it is and decry the abuse and misuse of the legal system for transparent political purposes, or at least not buy into the narrative.

    Trump might be a noxious and odious guy – I sure as hell didn’t vote for him – but he was also duly elected by the people and this silent slow motion make-it-up-as-you-go-along coup, which is what it really is, is neither healthy nor productive for our country.

    1. True, but Trump’s make it up as you go populism isn’t healthy or productive either.

    2. but he was also duly elected by the people and this silent slow motion make-it-up-as-you-go-along coup, which is what it really is, is neither healthy nor productive for our country.

      Well golly fucking gee. He just put a whistleblower in jail yesterday. Her crime – leaking an NSA report to the media detailing Russian govt hacking of a voting software/hardware company in 2016.

      Trump’s response to all this – crawling up Putin’s asshole while both the GOP and Trump pretend the Russians are our friends. Please tell me how a 1A threat, pretending election integrity is unimportant, and cozying up to those who have proven their hostility is either healthy or productive for this country.

      1. What a nutter. Perhaps you can go find a racist on the corner or under your bed? It would be more productive than this kind of nuttery.

      2. Funny how people only get upset over the 2016 election as far as “integrity”, conveniently ignoring the 2016 Dem primary and the 2008 Dem primary.

        1. Not sure why you think sending a whistleblower to jail for 5 years is funny

          1. Funny how you think that’s what he said.

      3. The linked article states ” The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to ? launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations.”

        So fucking what? Anyone can walk into any voter registration location and buy that information. Campaigns do it every election.

        1. Campaigns don’t link county elections administrators contact info with the election system software/hardware they use. That can only have one purpose. And you sure as fuck don’t send someone to jail for releasing info to the public about attempts to hack elections themselves. Elections are NOT an issue of ‘national security’. They are an issue of LOCAL transparency and local decision-making. And there have long been issues of how election blackboxes can be hacked – eg using fractional votes to override actual vote counting.

          No fucking surprise at all that the GOP is now firmly on the side of the bad guys to make sure there can never be any public discussion about voting systems.

      4. Well, when Comey was giving Hillary a pass of her security violations, he warned that it would not apply to just anyone:

        “To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

        When you have a security clearance, you don’t get to decide to hand over classified documents without consequences (up to the death penalty). There are venues for whistleblowers to raise real concerns that may be included in classified documents, she chose not to use them–she mailed classified documents to the press. That’s not her call to make. She knew it.

        1. There are venues for whistleblowers to raise real concerns that may be included in classified documents

          WHAT VENUES? That issue is one that Trump has taken a loud personal interest in squashing (for reasons that don’t seem to actually have any personal impact on him at all), fired the guy who would have been the channel for whistleblowers, and has crawled up Putin’s butt to side with him – and against the US – re the exact issues raised in that document.

          Yeah – she took a risk and knew the consequences. And if you weren’t such a stupid partisan hack, you would see that as courageous. Instead, you side with the Prez who is both enabling the swamp AND siding with the enemy. What an asshole you are.

      5. If you blame Trump for this sentence, you should blame Obama for putting a sailor in jail for a similar offense:

        [2016]

        A US Navy sailor was sentenced on Friday to a year in prison for taking photos of classified areas inside a nuclear attack submarine while it was in port in Connecticut.

        Kristian Saucier, of Arlington, Vermont, appeared in federal court in Bridgeport, where a judge also ordered him to serve six months of home confinement with electronic monitoring during a three-year period of supervised release after the prison time. He pleaded guilty in May to unauthorized detention of defense information and had faced five to six years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines.

        Saucier admitted to taking six photos of classified areas inside the USS Alexandria in 2009 when it was in Groton and he was a 22-year-old machinist mate on the submarine. The photos showed the nuclear reactor compartment, the auxiliary steam propulsion panel and the maneuvering compartment, prosecutors said.
        US navy researchers conduct tests to grow vegetables on submarines

        Saucier took the photos knowing they were classified, but did so only to be able to show his family and future children what he did while he was in the Navy, his lawyers said. He denied sharing the photos with any unauthorized recipient.

        1. If you blame Trump for this sentence, you should blame Obama for putting a sailor in jail for a similar offense:

          No. Unlike you I do NOT play after the fact whataboutism in order to excuse current shitheel behavior by one of the parties. That’s what you manure-sniffing partisan hacks do. And it is not remotely even a similar offense – or a similar sentence – or anything at fucking all except that it is apparently a bit of whataboutism.

          I did and do blame Obama for his appalling treatment of whistleblowers and leakers. YOU OTOH are the sort of assclown who enables that sort of shit because YOU think it is perfectly OK as long as the correct party is the one doing it. You are scum.

    3. Trump was not “duly” elected. He was elected by
      1) Russia
      2) Comey
      3) Wikileaks
      4) Hush money to influence the election.
      5) MORE hush money to influence the election

      Compare all that with his Electoral margin — 39,000 votes — 0.03% of the popular vote.
      And roughly 15% of his votes were cast against Hillary, NOT for him.
      After he got the nomination with a mere 37% of Republican votes, the same percentage of wackos who swallowed his Birther bullshit.

      And Don Jr’s own emails PROVE he conspired with the Russian government, “to help your dad.”

      The National Enquirer is just the latest nail in the coffin.
      Elementary math. Listen closely, to hear Trump’s death rattle

      1. So, if you are so sure, you need to get in touch with Robert Mueller so you can give evidence. But, given that you would rather post BS on websites, it is apparent that you don’t have anything but democratic talking points.

        1. Losers attack the messenger when they … lose.
          And all Trumptards are bullies and thugs.
          By definition.

          Thanks for proving it!

          1. “”And all Trumptards are bullies and thugs.
            By definition.”‘

            Generalize much?

            1. Evidence is all over the place.

            2. Generalize much?

              Bullshit much? I just saw you called out as a bully here,.

              And again just a few comments lower. Thanks for proving me correct!

              Tricky, yes. And a thug.

          2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano knows about losers, because he’s been losing for decades.

          3. Hihn you are a senile old commie piece of shit. You love progtards and hate America. You spew twisted discredited nonsense at every turn.

            1. PROOF … COLLUSION!
              And a totally psycho lie by Giuliani

              Russian invitation to Donald Jr.
              The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

              This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump ? helped along by Aras and Emin.
              Source: Donald Trump Jr’s own Twitter feed!!!

              LOCK HIM UP!

              1. GOP has lost 7% against Dems … under Trump!

                Gallup’s latest ?(July, 2018)

                This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Partisan registrations includes leaners, plus states have widely varying rules.
                Republicans 26%
                Democrats 30%
                Independent 41%

                The link has monthly polling since 2004.

                Compare when Trump took office
                Republican 28%
                Democrat 25%
                Independent 44%

                Both parties have declined under Trump (YAY). Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4, a 7% LOSS under Trump
                Each tribe, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. All of America is waiting to be saved by them

                Left – Right = Zero

      2. “”Trump was not “duly” elected. He was elected by
        1) Russia
        2) Comey
        3) Wikileaks
        4) Hush money to influence the election.
        5) MORE hush money to influence the election””

        Wow, Hiln is really Hillary Clinton. Now it all makes sense.

        1. Which of those proven facts do you refuse to accept?
          Who is Hihn?

          1. If you are not, then Hihn has been using your handle. But I know you are, because I misspelled it but you knew the correct spelling.

            1. DIVERSION: Which of those proven facts does TrickyVic refuse to accept?

              I’ve seen you people making that same wacky claim quite often, also a a diversion. And, since you’re stalking and bullying me all down the page, I assumed you’re just as atrocious at spelling.

              1. Hihn, you don’t fool anyone. Just stop. You look even more pathetic when you deny it.

                Isn’t it time you entered hospice?

  7. Indicted for what exactly? What would the charge be? Using a corrupt shitty lawyer?

    Calling your lawyer to discuss how to legally write up a non-disclosure agreement isn’t a crime.

    1. it’s… kind of what lawyers are for.

      1. THIS!

        You call your lawyer in order to avoid breaking the law! If you have an idea that isn’t legal, your lawyer tells you just that and if possible suggests a legal alternative.

        It’s one reason why attorney-client conversation were, until 2018, considered off-limits to the cops. And why no decent lawyer would ever record conversations without permission.

        1. Most people call their lawyer to make sure they are not violating the law. Whereas the Mueller team brings in a lawyer, Andrew Weissmann, to ensure the law is violated. He destroyed thousands of lives with his lies then lost big time 9-0 at SCOTUS.

          1. Link?

        2. Better call Saul.

    2. Very good point. Did Cohen advise Trump that what Trump wanted him to do was a violation of the campaign finance laws? As an attorney, I cannot claim that a client “instructed” me to do something illegal if I do not first advise the client that what he is asking me to do is, in fact, illegal. If there is no evidence that Cohen advised Trump and his instructions were a violation of law, Trump may very well have a strong defense

      1. A strong defense in a court of law, but this isn’t intended for a court of law. It’s Mueller running a PR campaign against Trump at the DoJ’s expense.

        The last thing he wants is this adjudicated in a court of law, where he’d have to provide actual evidence, and make the case that the conduct, even if it happened, was illegal on Trump’s part.

    3. It isn’t against the law for him to pay for an NDA out of his own pocket. It’s when he uses third party campaign money that it becomes a problem. This was also hashed out during that business with a John Edwards. Also if it was, the Coontons should have gone to prison for paying off Paula Jones for $850k ahead of Hillary’s 2000 senate run.

      1. it’s okay to beak the law if Trump spends it from his own pocket!!! (OMFG)

        BUT IT WAS SPENT BY THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION!!!!!!!!
        IT’S ILLEGAL FOR COMPANIES TO DONATE MONEY TO CANDIDATE CAMPAIGNS. (lol)

        The Trump Organization’ss Chief Financal Officer — for decades, starting from Trump’s father — has been granted immunity to testify. He know where every dollar came ftom … and where they all went/

        We KNOW the reimbursement to Cohen was illegally disguised with phony invoices, as tax deductible business expense.. THAT IS CALLED TAX FRAUD!

  8. “Trump’s defenders deprecate the importance of the campaign finance violations that Michael Cohen admitted”

    Exactly what campaign finance violations did Trump commit?

    Did the money used to pay those women to keep quiet come from campaign donors or was it Trump’s own money?

    If it’s the latter how is that a campaign finance violation?

    1. Trump got $0 federal matching. Trump added $66 million of his own money early on. Private donations didnt get added to the campaign until later.
      OpenSecrets.Org Trump campaign $

      I still dont understand how getting a presidential candidate relaxed by a happy ending is misuse of campaign funds. What campaigns spend money on are not just campaign signs, rallies, and tv commercials.

      1. Not to mention that this is the type of shady prosecutions that Andrew Weissmann is known for achieving. Although he was also bytch-slapped by SCOTUS for his own violations of the law including prosecuting non-violations of the law.

        1. Andrew Weissmann, Mueller’s top gun in Russia probe known for hardball tactics, overturned rulings

          Quotes (but read the whole article):
          Defense attorneys say Mr. Weissmann bent or broke the rules. As proof, they point to appeals court decisions, exhibits and witness statements.

          They say he intimidated witnesses by threatening indictments, created crimes that did not exist and, in one case, withheld evidence that could have aided the accused. At one hearing, an incredulous district court judge looked down at an Enron defendant and told him he was pleading guilty to a wire fraud crime that did not exist.

          “Weissmann seemed more interested in obtaining convictions than in promoting justice,” said Tom Kirkendall, a Houston lawyer who represented an Enron executive.

          Said Mr. Cogdell, a colorful courtroom performer dubbed a “gunslinger” by the local press, “He’s the most aggressive prosecutor I’ve ever been up against. He is, if not win at all cost, he’s win at almost any cost.”

      2. Umm, it’s called federal law, sunshine.

        1. Surely you can tell us which federal law? You know US Code Section XX.YY?

          1. Diversion

            1. Sock puppet.

    2. You know what’s funny? This is one of the places where money is recognized as being fungible and so the informal standard is more ‘pattern of behavior’. That is to say, if Trump has a long habit of paying off hookers to keep quiet, then the fact that he ran for office makes this a regular old personal/business expenditure.

      Now, where would I find an official government document establishing that the president has a regular pattern of paying off hookers?

      1. I thought it was common knowledge that he had done so.

        I wonder what one would label the media withholding photos of Obama to protect him as?

        1. Short answer is, “They wouldn’t label it as anything.” We’d never even find out the pix existed, much less find out they had been withheld.

      2. That’s another problem they have. Trump’s womanizing behavior has been in the public eye for 40 years. Paying off a couple of bimbos doesn’t really raise an eyebrow. If it did, that pussy grabbing audio would have tanked him.

        This all needs to end so we can finally get to the business at hand, putting democrats in prison where they belong.

    3. It’s a violation of campaign law to try and squash information that should be made public and which could affect the election. That’s what they’re getting him on.

      1. So if newspapers had squashed a story thar cast a bad light on President Obama….

      2. Can you cite this particular law?

        1. Diversion.
          Intimidatiion.
          Desperation.

  9. That’s all you got?

    Since you’ll never get your fantasy impeachment, you can console yourself with your specter. Have fun with that.

    1. We are watching the intelligence services meddling in electoral process, and trying to cover up the evidence of having done so. The best part about these investigations is that the operatives are being exposed via the collateral damage, and their relationships with journalists via proximity.

  10. “…Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption against him or anyone in his circle of aides or associates”

    Ha!

    Says you.

    1. Except using the IRS against his Tea Party political enemies, which Reason favors. Tea Partiers are icky.

      1. Or ignoring his Sec of State using personal email servers for extremely sensitive info, including emailing her on that server under a pseudonym.

        Or his utter ignoring of basic bankruptcy laws.

        Yeah, no corruption. Trump has been far less corrupt than Obama was.

        1. Like I’ve been saying in multiple comment threads: An administration having nobody indicted doesn’t mean that it’s clean as the driven snow. Sometimes all it means is that the AG and DOJ have been competently corrupted.

          The Obama administration had a metric ton of scandals. But the media didn’t have a lot of interest in covering them, and the DOJ viewed it’s job as spiking the cases, not solving them.

          1. The Obama administration had a metric ton of scandals.

            Only in the vapid mind of a wingnut.

            BENGHAZI!! BLOOP!! DERP!!! KENYAN!!! IRS!!!!! GUNS!!!!! ARGLE BARGLE!!!!! PIZZAGATE PEDOPHILE!!!!!!

            1. But COLLUSYIN WITH DER RUSSIANS!!!! is totes legit.

            2. Eric Holder is the only AG in history to be held in contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate on the Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal.

              Just because the Media don’t treat it like a scandal doesn’t mean its not a scandal.

              1. ATF gun-running programs pre-dated Obama. Holder just wouldn’t let the GOP fake scandal idiots play him for Fox News.

                1. Not the part about allowing the guns to actually cross the border. That was all Team Obama’s idea and didn’t start until 2009.

                2. No, not really. There was a somewhat similar program under Bush, with the difference that they actually tried to follow the weapons, and dropped it when they realized it wasn’t working.

                  Under Obama, they resumed the program but didn’t bother trying to track the weapons, just waited for them to show up at crime scenes. It was rather transparently just an effort to create the illusion that Obama had been right about the Mexican cartels arming themselves at US gun stores.

                3. F&F was done for the specific purpose of running guns to Mexico to gin up violence and serve as justification for more gun control (and more money for the ATF).

                  They didn’t even try to follow the guns (as was done under previous short-lived programs).

                  1. F&F was done for the specific purpose of running guns to Mexico to gin up violence and serve as justification for more gun control (and more money for the ATF).

                    Bush’s program. It pre-dated Obama.

                    Why did Bush hate guns?

                    1. It’s no secret the Bushes are lousy on guns; Papa Bush had more to do with Waco happening than Clinton did.

                      But, it is none the less true that Bush’s “Operation Wide Receiver” followed the guns, and Obama’s “Fast and Furious” just recorded serial number and waited for them to show up at the scene of a murder.

                      And Bush dropped the program when it turned out unworkable, Obama didn’t cancel his program until the scandal over a US agent being shot with one of the guns.

                    2. No, it wasn’t.

                      F&F was under Obama.

                      The previous ATF efforts were ended when they realized they couldn’t track the guns and they did actually work with Mexican police on it.

                      Under F&F there never was an effort to even track the guns and they never informed the Mexicans.

                    3. Stop. Just stop.

                      The Bush Administration ran Operation Wide Receiver, an attempt to track and stop straw purchases of guns bound for Mexican Cartels. It was shut down in 2008 when it became obvious it wasn’t working.

                      Most importantly, no one died as a result of the operation.

                      The Obama Administration resurrected the program under the name Fast and Furious, but this time they didn’t bother to stop the guns or even tell the Mexican authorities what they were doing.

                      Most importantly, people on both sides of the border died as a result of the Obama operation.

                      Stop pretending they are the same.

                    4. Operation Wide Receiver was started under the Bush Admin by the Tucson AZ ATF office and ended by William Hoover at ATF HQ in 2007 because it was a stupid idea and did not work.

                      Operation fast and Furious was started in Phoenix AZ ATF office Nov 2009 by ATF SAC William Newell restarting his gunwalking tactic that failed under Operation Wide Receiver.

                      Gunwalking required licensed gun dealers to sell guns to people they had pointed out to ATF as matching the profile of buying guns for resale. Gunwalking required ATF agents to let the guns walk rather than doing knock and talk and gun seizure from the straw buyers as was standard ATF policy.

                      The DoJ OIG Report on Operation Fast and Furious is very clear: Operation Wide Receiver was ended 2007 under the Bush Administration. Operation Fast & Furious started 2009 under the Obama Administration. The Obama Admin wanted to use the guns going to Mexico to tar brush the gun dealers who had cooperated with the ATF to STOP the straw buyers for the drug cartels.

                      Palin’s Buttplug claiming F&F was “Bush’s program. It pre-dated Obama.” is a left-wing talking point that was abandoned by intelligent left-wingers years ago.

                4. ATF gun-running programs pre-dated Obama

                  The operation, run by ATF’s Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 ? when George W. Bush’s Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show ? and ran until the end of 2007

                  The big difference is “Operation Wide Receiver” had tracking devices installed in the gun stocks. “Fast and Furious” had no tracking devices.

                  1. That’s because Operation Wide Receiver, however poorly conceived, really was a law enforcement program. Operation Fast and Furious was just an anti-gun PR campaign, meant to manufacture evidence to justify shutting down gun stores.

                    1. Of course it was, Obama is a Marxist traitor who wants to get rid of the constitution. Just like every other progtard.

                5. Breathing was around before Obama too, so? This particular operation resulted in the murder of border patrol agents due to Holder’s Incompetence.

                  Always more false equivalence. No democrat will ever take responsibility for their actions. They’re garbage people, just like you PB.

                  Kill yourself.

            3. But they really were Keynesians.

          2. Good Lord. Every single Obama scandal WAS covered by the media. For heaven’s sake, the disclosure of Hillary’s email server was revealed by the fkn New York Times.

            (Oh but now we will get “but these stories weren’t REALLY covered by the media, there weren’t 72.387,379 stories on IRS scandals like there is now with Trump!” And that’s probably correct. But that doesn’t mean the stories weren’t covered.)

            And even if the DOJ just saw fit to spike cases rather than investigate them, Republicans in Congress could have done something other than just grandstand on the issues. But they didn’t. They didn’t want to ferret out the corruption either, they wanted to use the narrative of “Obama’s Corruption” to win seats in Congress.

            There was a great deal of corruption to go around.

            1. I remember when the media covered all Obama scandals so thoroughly.

              We had constant talk of impeachment of Obama because of it.

              Those were the days when Obama had zero corruption in his administration.

              1. Name an Obama scandal that was not covered by the major media.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist|8.23.18 @ 10:29AM|#
                  Name an Obama scandal that was not covered by the major media.

                  To you, “covered” clearly means Lefty actions get mentioned and full media cover-up with excuses. Propaganda in other words.

                  To the rest of us “covered” means investigative journalism wherever that might lead, even it hurts Democrats or Republicans or Libertarians. Truth in other words.

                  1. EXACTLY 100% CORRECT!

                2. I think the point here is that Chapman claims above that there were no Obama scandals, which is the conventional wisdom. So the media coverage then didn’t have much effect unlike the daily hysteria from the media about Trump’s scandals, real or invented.

            2. And Benghazi was a completely made up “scandal”. And the loudest one of them.

              Reagan lets 241 US Marines die in Lebanon but an attack on Benghazi is the scandal of the century.

              1. You know Benghazi was bad for Obama and Hillary by the way Lefties freak out at the mere mention of it.

                The US government hung a US ambassador and his security detail out to dry, and then had the temerity to blame it on an obscure YouTube video and arrest the producer on a ticky tack probation violation.

                Chapman obviously doesn’t think that is scandalous behavior.

                1. Neither does PB. Of course, Pb would let a million innocent people die if it served a partisan agenda. As he is a loathsome analid.

              2. I remember that year when Reagan knew the Lebanon attack was coming and told the Marines to not fight back.

                1. Reagan didn’t “know” the attack was coming. But he did make the mistake of deferring to his State Department on their recommendations on rules of engagement over the DoD.

                  And he certainly didn’t make up an excuse and use an innocent person as a scapegoat.

              3. Benghazi was a completely made up “scandal”.
                Are you fucking serious? The administration had an unrelated Youtuber scapegoated and arrested in an attempt to create political cover for its fuck-ups.
                That’s a far bigger scandal than Watergate, IranContra, lying under oath about Lewinsky, or campaign fund misuse put together. It’s utterly terrifying.

              4. Reagan did not lie to the american people about the cause of the bombing nor did he lock up any american citizens under the pretense that an American made video caused the problem. Also note our Military did not pull out right away, certain well trained military units stayed behind and eliminated several of the instigators.

              5. Palin’s Buttplug|8.23.18 @ 10:23AM|#
                “And Benghazi was a completely made up “scandal”. And the loudest one of them”

                You pathetic piece of shit, you’ve been called on this lie tens of times, and you keep repeating it.
                Fuck off.

                1. Notice how PB slithers off when he’s called on his bullshit

            3. Ohhh, Jeff is flustered!

              A mention is not coverage. Running interference is not coverage.

              So let’s ask the question that you were so infatuated with not long ago: Is Obama *capable* of originating those scandals? Or are you willing to give him the benefit of doubt all of a sudden?

            4. Here’s how the NY Times covered Uranium One:

              Among the agencies that eventually signed off was the State Department, then headed by Mr. Clinton’s wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

              As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

              And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

              Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to benefit the foundation’s donors.

              Harsh, so harsh.

              1. No link. And a Trumpster

                1. Fuck off Hihn.

        2. And why did Da Witch use a personal e-mail?…It was because she wanted to hide all the greedy lawlessness of turning the State Dept. into The Clinton Foundation State Dept….She then starting deleting all the evidence & then lied about doing that…That is how Classified info got compromised!

          Truly, if the FBI & DOJ & CIA had done their jobs, there is no way in hell she should’ve been able to run & verily, she should’ve been charged with several crimes!

          1. There is a real investigation going against Trump. It looks nothing like the so-called investigation Hillary was under.

            Imagine the outrage of Trump maneuvered to his lawyer represent everyone Mueller is going after.

            1. Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

              Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

              ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

              The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

              Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

              Congressional GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

              1. WOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHH

                1. Imagine the outrage of Trump maneuvered to his lawyer represent everyone Mueller is going after.

                  I did imagine it. Thought for a second.
                  Then ridiculed you. Again. As you stalk me down the page. Again.

                  1. No, you just don’t go away.

                    Time for hospice you old pederast.

      2. The truth is slightly more complex than that. But, whatevs, right?

        1. The truth is out. The IRS was weaponized for political reasons.

          1. A more reasonable explanation is that the IRS, facing pressure from Democratic Senators to scrutinize 501(c)(4) organizations more closely in the wake of the Citizens United decision, took the path of least resistance and just used simple keyword searches to select which applicants deserved more scrutiny. And because the vast majority of new applications at that time were right-leaning ones opposing Obama, the keywords selected were biased against those organizations.

            1. And the fake IRS scandal was localized to ONE PERSON in one location (Ohio).

              Wingnuts tried and tried to create a scandal for Obama and failed.

              1. No, that is not true. Lois Lerner was not the only one using the BOLO lists and whatnot.

                There was actual inappropriate behavior going on. But the evidence connecting that behavior directly to Obama is rather thin.

                1. Lois Lerner was the only one who resigned (other than the IRS lead).

                2. Multiple hard drive failures for evidence under subpoena sounds totally legit.

                  1. Hard drive failures are rampant.

                    In one of the gun walking scandals investigated by the DoJ OIG, the ATF email files were all lost. Sob. BUT the cooperating gun dealer had kept over 400 pages of notes including copies of the emails, for which the DoJ OIG gave him thanks.

                    Anyone cooperating with a federal investigation needs to keep detailed records, because when convenient, the federales will lose their records and make them the scapegoat.

                    1. You got that right.

              2. No, it wasn’t you dumb cunt.

            2. Lol, reverse the parties and see how that sounds.

              Republican senators lean on the Trump IRS to scrutinize activist groups in advance of the 2018 midterms and they just happen to flag mostly liberal organizations. Happens all the time, no malicious intent at all.

              1. Happens all the time, no malicious intent at all.

                Except when Nixon suggested it.

            3. chemjeff radical individualist|8.23.18 @ 10:34AM|#
              “A more reasonable explanation is that the IRS, [bullshit, bullshit, buillshit]”

              Doesn’t that make you dizzy?

            4. Yeah, that’s the after the fact justification. In fact, after it became obvious they couldn’t keep the story from getting out, they even added some more key words that would suck in a few left-wing organizations, to muddy things up.

              The problem is that even when BOLO sucked in left wing organizations, they got different treatment than the right wing ones did. And the treatment the right wing orgs got was illegal.

          2. Furthermore, lovecons, the claim that “the IRS was weaponized for political reasons” was put forth by the same people who deliberately decided not to do anything except grandstand against the IRS in the face of this corruption. That you would simply accept their narrative of the story even when they declined to do anything about it, is telling.

            1. So no denial then?

              The IRS was used to threaten certain non-profits and not others. If a non-profit is not following IRS exemption rules, fine investigate and punish.

              For some reason all the Lefty non-profits were never investigated for the same conduct.

              You’re not fooling anyone.

              1. Not to mention a certain “brother” of Obama receiving approval for his non-profit in direct violation of IRS rules.

              2. It’s the same way they went after undesirable industries with the unconstitutional ‘Operation Chokepoint’.

                For everything Alabama did, he and most of his cabinet should be put to death as communist traitors by the current administration.

            2. No, I’d agree with that: The Republican establishment viewed the Tea Party as an internal insurgency, and were not unhappy about their being targeted by the IRS. They just put up a show of being unhappy because it was politically necessary.

              But they could have been a lot more effective about it if they’d actually found it objectionable for the IRS to attack their own internal foes.

              1. GOP has lost 7% against Dems … under Trump!

                Gallup’s latest ?(July, 2018)

                This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Partisan registrations includes leaners, plus states have widely varying rules.
                Republicans 26%
                Democrats 30%
                Independent 41%

                The link has monthly polling since 2004.

                Compare when Trump took office
                Republican 28%
                Democrat 25%
                Independent 44%

                Both parties have declined under Trump (YAY). Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4, a 7% LOSS under Trump

                Each tribe, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. All of America is waiting for them to save them

                Left – Right = Zero

                1. Huh, did you see say soemthjng you old palsied buggerer of schoolboys?

                  1. GOP has lost 7% against Dems … under Trump!

                    Gallup’s latest ?(July, 2018)

                    This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Partisan registrations includes leaners, plus states have widely varying rules.
                    Republicans 26%
                    Democrats 30%
                    Independent 41%

                    The link has monthly polling since 2004.

                    Compare when Trump took office
                    Republican 28%
                    Democrat 25%
                    Independent 44%

                    Both parties have declined under Trump (YAY). Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4, a 7% LOSS under Trump
                    Each tribe, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. All of America is waiting to be saved by them

                    Left – Right = Zero

                    1. PROOF … COLLUSION!
                      And a totally psycho lie by Giuliani

                      Russian invitation to Donald Jr.
                      The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

                      This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump ? helped along by Aras and Emin.
                      Source: Donald Trump Jr’s own Twitter feed!!!

                      LOCK HIM UP!

                    2. Trumpsters lose ? AGAIN

                      Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

                      Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

                      ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

                      The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

                      Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

                      GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

      3. Or paying $375K for campaign violations…

        1. WHICH TRUMP LIED ABOUT!!!
          Hello? Hello? Anybody home?

          1. Not in your head you senile drooling corpse.

        2. It so at a campaign violation if you pay for it out of your own pocket. If not, the following people would have gone to prison:

          Bill Clinton
          Hillary Clinton
          Joe Biden
          Barack Obama
          John Edwards

          Among others if I go back and do a little checking. But the media spews bullshit. Like how there is a crime called collusion that doesn’t actually exist.

          1. It so at a campaign violation if you pay for it out of your own pocket

            I agree. Trump lied through his teeth again.

            Like how there is a crime called collusion that doesn’t actually exist.

            Nobody says otherwise. And collusion has nothing to do with Mueller’s appointment,.

            Conspiracy is the crime here — which is a specific type of collusion.

    2. I think Chapman just destroyed whatever libertarian street cred he might have had with that sentence.

      Only a hard-core member of Team Blue would spout nonsense like that.

      1. I dont think Chapman ever had any, since he never seemed like a Libertarian to me.

        1. How would you know, alt-righter and proud slurper at the gummint teat?

        2. Not everyone feels they need to be cookie cutter libertarian and be a zealot rather than a thinker.

      2. Not surprising. The Progressives are now targeting the Libertarian Party just as they did with the Democratic Party and Republican Party. Team Blue is Team Progressive Plantation; mostly Democrats although many Republicans and now Libertarians.

        1. Not surprising. Team Goober doesn’t know that libertarians have been fiscally conservative and socially liberal for nearly a half century. Do you even know what year this is?

      3. Bearded Spock
        Only a hard-core member of Team Blue would spout nonsense like that.

        Ummm,, libertarians are neither left nor right … for all of 50 years now That’s why we are separate label, NEITHER left nor right, or the best parts of each

        Left and right are obsolete, also for 50 years, Here’s why.

        Republicans want government out of your wallet and into your bedroom.
        Democrats want government out of your bedroom and into your wallet.
        ONLY libertarians DEFY government intrusion into BOTH economic and personal issues.

        Democrats borrow trillions to provide free stuff.
        Republicans and faux libertarians borrow trillions to provide free tax cuts.
        Libertarians know CUT SPENDING is the only way to shrink government. (Grade-school arithmetic, duh!)

        A growing majority of Americans agree, and now SELF-define as fiscallt conservative and socially liberal. Left and right are now less than 40% of Americans combined and shrinking

        Your time has expired

      4. I struggled to find anything libertarian in this screed. Walking away empty handed.

        1. Confirm his total ignorance of what libertarianism means.
          Typical of the Authoritarian Right,

    3. Right. None of Obama’s Treasury Secretaries went years “forgetting” to pay his income taxes.

    4. Yeah, that is HILARIOUS!!!

      For God’s sake, By turning off the CVV part on his website, Obummy took MILLIONS IN ILLEGAL FOREIGN DONATIONS, mostly from the Chinese in 2008 & 2012 & just got a slap on the wrist from the FEC!!!….What Trump did is nothing compared to that!

      1. The psychos are awake.

    5. Show us the charges buttercup?

  11. TDS reading = 113.9%

    Seek Help ASAP!!!!

    1. PROOF … COLLUSION!
      And a totally psycho lie by Giuliani

      Russian invitation to Donald Jr.
      The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

      This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump ? helped along by Aras and Emin.
      Source: Donald Trump Jr’s own Twitter feed!!!

      LOCK HIM UP!

      1. In an email sent from Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr

  12. In a world where Trump wasn’t scared of what Manafort could tell Mueller there’s no way in hell Trump would give two shits about Manafort’s fate. It’s so obvious Manafort has leverage over Trump. No normal person would so closely associate with a freshly convicted criminal for no good reason.
    Trump should be pissed at Manafort for bringing that Russian oligarch baggage into his campaign. It makes no sense that a pathological narcissist like Trump would care so deeply about Manafort unless there was something at stake for Trump.

    1. I’m curious. Why wouldn’t HRC be pissed about John Podesta bringing that Russian oligarch baggage into her campaign. After all, Manafort’s partner at the time was John’s brother, Tony Podesta and the Podesta Group. BTW: it was Ukrainians not Russians that they were working for at the time.

    2. I think the only reason Manafort didn’t plea bargain was 1. He’s got oligarch money hidden away some where and 2. Trump is going to pardon him because he knows too much.

  13. “There is one apparent reason the president of the United States was not indicted Tuesday in the same case that yielded a guilty plea from his longtime personal lawyer. It’s not because prosecutors think he is innocent. It’s because he is president.”

    Actually, it’s because if they indicted him, they’d have to actually produce evidence, and construct a case that comported with the law. Whereas just getting somebody to agree to plead guilty to doing something sketchy with the President in return for not being put away for life requires neither.

    1. Plus, Cohen and Manafort fought Mueller a bit so why wouldn’t a pardon be forthcoming?

      1. Manafort is legitimately convicted of real crimes having nothing to do with Trump. Granted, he only drew a prosecutor’s attention because he had the bad taste to work for Trump for a few months, and you can’t walk the halls of Washington without running into people equally guilty and unmolested by the law. But he doesn’t look like a pardon candidate.

        If Cohen wanted a pardon, he shouldn’t have taped his conversations with Trump, or agreed to confess in court to doing something sketchy (Not, however, illegal.) with Trump. Again, not a pardon candidate, but for more personal reasons on Trump’s part.

        I could see Flynn getting a pardon, though.

        1. I dont particularly like any of these guys but manafort didnt get a fair trial. Most people dont and certainly not a guy so politically prosecuted, by a special prosecutor no less. There was a paper trial, so hes probably guilty of those violations of law.

          Cohen was targeted to get at attorney-client papers between him and Trump.

          I dont know much about Flynn but he seems like a tool who got used by Obama and then by the Russians.

          These people are not shining stars but they also deserve a fair shake and politics got in the way. At the same time, they chose a life of politics.

          The Lefties already hate Trump no matter what and want to impeach Trump, so who really cares if he pardons these guys.

          1. I love lawyers claiming their clients made them break the law.

        2. I’m looking forward to the Appellate case for Manafort; who unlike Cohen didn’t plea guilty. Although technically Cohen could also Appeal based on the prosecutor insisting that his plea includes admitting guilt to something that is not a crime.

    2. You can’t indict a sitting president.

  14. “Trump’s defenders deprecate the importance of the campaign finance violations that Michael Cohen admitted”

    SO IMPORTANT!

    But seriously libertarians generally think campaign finance violations are a massive govt overreach.

    1. I find it amusing that people like Chapman actually believe that Cohen admitted to a campaign finance violation. Especially when coupled with Obama paying over $375K for campaign finance violations as well as John Edwards being found not guilty of a campaign finance violation when his “friends” paid off his mistress during his Presidential campaign run. Not to mention HRC campaign paying foreigners including Russian FSB agents for propaganda.

    2. No we don’t.

  15. Obama was not personally sleazy, his administration just corrupted how government does its business.

    It also helps if the press and federal law enforcement agencies have no incentive to go looking for lawbreaking.

    1. “Obama was not personally sleazy,”

      He was a pal of the terrorist Bill Ayers.

      1. Also noted paragon of virtue Tony Rezko.

      2. He did not appear to be egregiously on the take.
        Aside from things like Michelle’s no work six figure job, and a lucrative biography deal on a life of scant accomplishments up to that point, and an campaign opponent’s divorce records unusually being unsealed at a convenient time.

        1. Michelle’s six figure salary from a private bank in the 90s is a scandal?

          Jeez, you TEAM RED!! people believe anything.

          1. No, her position at University of Chicago Medical Center. A position which was so valuable (and thus deserving of her six figure salary) that it was promptly eliminated upon her resignation.

            Definitely NOT a scandal, just eyeroll inducing. But also kind of impressive come to think of it…

            1. There would have been some big shoes to fill.

            2. There was nothing unusual in her job there nor her salary. Her job was basically community outreach and expanding services which they did. For a hospital administrator six figures is hardly alarming. Even after her promotion she was making about what a single Internal Medicine doc would get, for example.

              It is also not surprising that they chose not to fill her position after she resigned. Hospitals do budget cuts all the time. That was a tough economic time and there was belt tightening going on everywhere. Community outreach does not generate revenue.

              I am absolutely no fan of Obama but as presidents go he and his wife were pretty much clean on the corruption and scandal scale.

              1. “As Presidents go” is doing all the work there, mind you.

                According to Forbes, the Obamas’ annual incomes went from an average of under $300K per year prior to his being elected a Senator, to an average of about $2.4M a year while a Senator.

                He got a huge amount of money his first year as President, in the form of book deals, and then his income dropped off to about a half million a year during the rest of his presidency.

                Of course, he’s really raking it in now, and is considered to be on track to become a billionaire. It really was smart of him to defer that income to after he’d left office, less scrutiny that way.

                1. Shame on you, Brett. Fellow goobers will not click your link. When actual adults click it …

                  Three-fourths of that money came from lucrative book deals, according to a FORBES analysis of 16 years of tax returns and financial disclosure documents. In total, Obama has earned $15.6 million as an author since arriving in Washington.

                  You’ve been called out.
                  Yet again.

          2. As well as Manafort’s crimes committed before 2011.

  16. “At every stage, he has told lies that were later exposed and acknowledged. ”

    “If you like your doctor…”

    1. Honestly, I’m fine with kicking Trump around, but don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining with Obama, he’s your chocolate jesus not mine.

    2. Do you really not see the difference? “If you like your doctor” is more like “We’ll build a wall and Mexico will pay for it”. Those are broken rhetorical “promises”, not lies.

      1. Whatever you want to call them. Lies. Broken promises…

        Trump is a threat to most politicians because he promised some things to his supporters and is actually trying to accomplish them. He has on some stuff (Gorsuch, Tax cut, regulation cuts, siphon off swamp water, stand up for America….)

      2. “Those are broken rhetorical “promises”, not lies”

        I bet that doesn’t work on your wife either.

        1. “Babe, I know I’ve been spending three hours every night texting women I met on AFF, but I swear I haven’t been unfaithful.”

          1. Technically, he’s never cheated on her with another woman.

      3. Do you really not see the difference?

        Yup. Trump lied about money which came from his own pocket and the pockets of voluntary donors. Obama lied about other people’s money.

  17. “…a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.”

    Like war, debt, broken veterans, manifest destiny, unitary executive… stuff like that?

    1. The unitary executive is actually an accepted principle. As the article mentions, the unitary executive is why the FBI does not believe it can indict a sitting president.

      1. I was thinking about the “it’s not illegal if the President does it” school of government. Shades of grey acknowledged.

      2. Technically the FBI never indicts anyone.

        The FBI makes recommendations to the DOJ who decides to indict or not.

  18. Chapman would actually let Obama fuck him.

    1. Not so, Stevie is Shikha’s clitoris. Therefore, can not be fucked. A firm rub might occur though.

  19. They are better described as cultlike in their fervent willingness to believe whatever they have to believe to remain faithful. They would rather eat the foul fruit than recognize the nature of the tree.

    But, enough about Hillary’s followers.

    1. “They are better described as cultlike in their fervent willingness to believe whatever they have to believe to remain faithful. They would rather eat the foul fruit than recognize the nature of the tree. ”

      “Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption against him or anyone in his circle of aides or associates. ”

      How ironic.

    2. But, enough about Hillary’s followers.

      At one point, there was at least a glimmer of self-awareness.

  20. Man, the lede out on H&R seemed like it might be to an interesting story.

    And then there was fifteen paragraphs of TDS.

  21. Trump’s defenders deprecate the importance of the campaign finance violations that Michael Cohen admitted.

    I’m one of the last people here you could call a Trump defender and I think this is mostly horseshit. Campaign finance oversight is a joke and the FEC could point at any random pol and find shit to prosecute if they were motivated to do so. I still haven’t seen the part where Trump used campaign cash to pay off Stormy, so where’s the campaign finance violation? (Not that I’d be surprised to find out she was paid with campaign funds, I’d be more surprised if Trump didn’t take the opportunity to use OPM.) Is it that he didn’t report it as a campaign expenditure? “Oops, I forgot” is the standard defense, you return the money, you file the report, you pay a small fine, you move on. Or is every nickel Trump spent during the campaign considered campaign money, does he have to report every Big Mac he ate as a campaign contribution designed to keep the candidate alive? If the payoff was a PR move, that’s not specifically a campaign-related expenditure any more than Hillary Clinton’s clothes and make-up and hair styling are. (Or ask Duncan Hunter why he’s been charged if everything’s a campaign donation that needs to be reported.)

    As far as Trump’s supporters being in a cult and worshipping their Messiah? Well, yeah, the Cheeto Jesus cult is every bit as bad as the Chocolate Jesus cult, but this isn’t making the case.

    1. And to be clear, I don’t suffer from TDS, I suffer from TSDS – Trump Supporter Derangement Syndrome. Trump’s not the Messiah, he’s a very dirty pol. They all are – stop looking to government to supply the answer to all your prayers.

      1. Somehow Trump is a bit different. Its why Lefties hate him more than Booosh, Reagan….

        Trump fights Socialism where he can. Trump puts America and Americans first over the global Socialists. Trump actually wants to make American better and is willing to sacrifice for it.

        He is the first politicians in a while not wanting to get rich off a government position.

        1. Trump Supporter Derangement Syndrome

          See above for an idiot fan of the Con Man.

          1. You posted somewhere above?

            Oh you mean the current idiot con man, not the brown one you fellate.

          2. Buttplugger: TDS

    2. I wish I could upvote this!

  22. Chapman has gone full TDS it seems

    1. Yes and Shikha had an orgasm.

  23. President Pence would be awesome, though, at least in the amount of mouth-frothing that will occur among the left.

    1. It’s been Trump’s multi-dimensional checkmate since the beginning.

      1. The Lefties eat the checkers while Trump is checking their Trans King.

  24. Uh what’s with the creepy biblical quotation and preachy article that’s totally like, just your opinion, man? I thought I was at a site called ‘Reason’? This is truly cray cray.

    1. In the words of that great philosopher, Forrest Gump:
      Progressive is as Progressive does!

  25. They are better described as cultlike in their fervent willingness to believe whatever they have to believe to remain faithful. They would rather eat the foul fruit than recognize the nature of the tree.

    It’s like you don’t understand.

    Trump is awful. Simply horrific. We know that. Better than you ever could.

    And everything YOU and yours have to offer is worse. Much, much worse. How does it feel, being worse than the Giant Douche and the Shit Sandwich? Because that’s what you are, you and all the vile ideas that you’ve inflicted upon the world.

    When Trump said that he could shoot someone, with witnesses, and still get elected he was right–not because his voters are stupid–but because the alternative is people who think like you.

    1. Trump has been described as a bomb the Republican base have thrown at their party to destroy the party establishment they’re sick of. They’re trying to frag their own ‘leadership’.

      He’d never have had a shot at the nomination under normal circumstances. The only thing that gave him an opening was that the GOP establishment are so horrible that the party’s own base would burn the whole party down to get at them, and call it good.

      The joke is that the party base are actually warming to him, starting to view him as more than a wrecking ball, because aside from bad manners, he hasn’t been a bad President.

      1. Exactly Brett. Trump turned out to be very capable of fragging the establishment RINOs and making good decisions about smaller government like many Republicans want and fighting Lefties too.

      2. The Progressive GOPe still haven’t figured that one out yet, even after the primary where the #1 choice was Trump and the #2 choice was Cruz with several Progressive GOPe flunkies further behind.

      3. That, and the press wanted him nominated, thinking he would be the weakest Republican candidate. I guess they were wrong, and they’ve been mad about it ever since.

  26. Trump is a scumbag con man who rips off people for a living (Trump University, creditors, vendors, customers,, voters) and surrounds himself with scumbags.

    Who is surprised by this other than the greasy-haired deplorables?

    1. Hey I’m as surprised as you are that such a man is a better President than the last four, but the numbers don’t lie, unless it’s your numbers, which are cherry picked and useless.

      1. The Dotard hasn’t done shit except run up the deficit despite the sound economy he inherited, you mouth-breathing idiot Trumptard.

        This is a libertarian site. Go back to Bratfart.com.

        Is that fucker still dead?

        1. So that “sound ” economy was just hibernating at near zero growth. All it needed was 1 1/2 years more post Obama and it would have just ignited on its own. LOL

          Tax cuts and reduced regulations had nothing to do with it. All of the CEO’s saying that are just “Dotards”

          1. Trump has almost no support among Fortune 500 CEOs. The reduced regulations are largely myth and GDP of 4.1% last quarter would have been fifth best of the Obama years (which began in a worst ever recession)

            1. The U.S. economy was sound…ly stagnant under Obama and its under-performance is not something genuinely argued even by partisans. Of course, it is not all Obama’s fault but the ACA and its nested taxes certainly stunted growth.

              And (public) support from corporate CEOs means what, exactly, even absent a citation? Are you proposing that Trump has not significantly curtailed the regulatory regime (even Poltico disagrees with that)? The economy would not likely have degraded under a Clinton administration, but if you think that Trump himself hasn’t had a positive effect on the markets you might have TDS.

              Feel free to hate the guy for whatever reasons, it’s your prerogative. But you are working hard to kid yourself.

              1. Buttplugger is saying that Lefty CEOs hate Trump for non-business reasons.

                All the other CEOs publicly dont say anything about Trump since its not in their interest to do so. If they say they like Trump, their company gets attacked.

                1. The US economy is getting stronger and stronger and stronger.

                  With Trump helping that along.

              2. There is no measurable statistic that the economy has improved since Jan 2017 (other than trends that were already in place). UE is lower but 95% of the improvement in UE occurred during the Obama years.

                https://goo.gl/rSRF9S

                1. Why don’t you have an updated plot including Q2 GDP? is counting above 4 too hard?

                  There are many trends that are the best they’ve been in 10+ years. Barry presided over the largest decline in LABFOR ever.

                  And what has CBO’S EMRATIO projection been doing over the last year? Instead of peaking next year and declining, now they show continued growth. That is a significant departure from their baseline barry projections.

            2. MAGA!

            3. “Trump has almost no support among Fortune 500 CEOs”

              One only has to look at the verbal lashing that Jim Koch received – not for saying he supported Trump – but only saying that the tax cuts had helped the brewing industry to find another plausible reason that some CEOs might be hesitant to express support for the President.

        2. Explains the Fed raising interest rates repeatedly under Obama. Because the economy was strong.

          1. Reason refuses to cover the issue of Fed artificial interest rate manipulation being so political under Obama and Trump.

            The Fed helped Obama in some ways by keeping interest rates low. It slowed the recovery from the Great Recession but allowed Obama to have a somewhat stable but weak economy.

            Trump comes in an charges up the economy with tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks. The Fed just ups the interest rates to control inflation yet they didnt care about inflation under Obama. The Fed is also raising the rates back up too fast.

    2. “Trump is a scumbag con man who rips off people for a living… and surrounds himself with scumbags.”

      Kinda sounds like the job description of a politician – or are you trying to say Trump is unique?

      1. “When Trump does it, it’s okay!”

        1. chemjeff radical individualist|8.23.18 @ 10:23AM|#
          ‘I’ll make up stupid comments and suggest that’s what you meant’

          You are a despicable piece of shit.

        2. Such a reading is a product of your own collectivist mindset, cj, not implied by the actual sentence.

        3. “I only care when a Republican does it!”

          Again, this would be the appropriate time to use one of your “both sides do it,” which is precisely what Nardz did. How strange that you didn’t.

    3. So you are pushing for President Pence. I’m actually Ok with that. You do realize that there are no scenarios where Hillary gets installed as President don’t you? And I’m pretty sure there are no scenarios where she could actually be elected

      So President Harris, Warren the fake Indian, or the crazy Perez woman? Good luck.

      Maybe bring back Bernie,. He’s pretty old. “A Weekend at Bernies” may become reality for him.

      1. Bernie Sanders is an idiot.

        Democrats are pathetic. They don’t have another Obama (who actually cut spending, cut taxes and was for free trade).

        1. Cut spending?

          oh, so that was why the National Debt nearly doubled from about 10T to about 20T during Obozo’s 8 years.

          Pretty neat trick to “cut spending” while doubling the ND.


          1. Cut spending?

            Yes, the Budget Control Act of 2011 contained a large spending cut.

            I know you are an idiot conservative but guess what? You cannot ban me or ban facts like conservatives like to do.

            1. “Yes, the Budget Control Act of 2011 contained a large spending cut.”

              For which Obo deserves zero credit, turd.

            2. You mean the spending cut forced on him by the GOP house. That spending cut?

              And the bans are team blue these days, but you knew that.

            3. But spending and the ND increase every year.

              Claiming to cut spending and actually cutting spending are 2 different things.

              The ND increased an average 1.3T per year under Obozo,

              He did not “cut spending”.

              1. The Bushpigs left Obama a $1.2 trillion deficit which he promised to cut in half — and did.

                1. You are functionally illiterate.

                  The average deficit under Bush was .5T/yr, under Obozo 1.3T/yr.

                  Your claim is only technically valid if you compare the last Bush year with the last Obozo year.

                  But under no rational thinking can that claim stand scrutiny.

                  The ND increased 10T under Obama, 4T under Bush (approx. for both).

                  Of course the spending is the fault of both parties in Congress.

                  Neither the Reps nor Dems are serious about it.

                  But to pretend that Obozo “cut spending” is absolute fantasy.

            4. “”I know you are an idiot conservative but guess what?””

              Like the idiot conservatives that held both houses of Congress, thus controlling the purse? Those guys?

        2. They don’t have another Obama (who actually cut spending, cut taxes and was for free trade).

          Are you kidding? Obama ran massive, unprecedented deficits for all his presidency (ignore the positive spin that the author tries to put on it and look at the absolute dollar graph).

          Obama’s foreign policy and record on civil liberties was a disaster. The ACA and the bailout were massive crony capitalism which are going to hurt Americans for years to come.

          Obama was utterly incompetent as a president. The man was a moron. He got elected only because McCain was an even worse moron.

          1. Trump’s debt is ALREADY worse than Obama’s 8 years (extend Trump’s debt for 8 years)

            Obama inherited the worse recession in 70 years,
            and left Trump THE LONGEST RECOVERY EVER, for an incoming President.

            1. Trump’s debt is ALREADY worse than Obama’s 8 years

              So, PB was lying then and Obama did not “cut spending”.

              Obama inherited the worse recession in 70 years, and left Trump THE LONGEST RECOVERY EVER,

              Yes, a miserable, rotten recovery that left large numbers of people out of work, did nothing for the middle class, ballooned the national debt, and involved massive crony capitalism.

              1. Trump’s debt is ALREADY worse than Obama’s 8 years

                So, PB was lying then and Obama did not “cut spending”.

                The two are not related.
                His was a lie
                Yours a diversion

                Obama inherited the worse recession in 70 years, and left Trump THE LONGEST RECOVERY EVER,

                Yes, a miserable, rotten recovery that left large numbers of people out of work,

                Diversion from Trump’s far greater failures, larger debt increase and far worse crony capitalism. And a lie on unemployment. (versus Trump and as an absolute)

                did nothing for the middle class,

                His tax relief was twice the size of Obama’s tax cut for mostly the rich.

                No libertarian would defend either Trump or Obama on taxes. Or lie and evade like you authoritarians

                Left – Right = Zero

      2. So you are pushing for President Pence. I’m actually Ok with that.

        gee what a shock, a Reason Republican favors authoritarian Republican presidents

        1. Trump: Best president in over 100 years.

          1. Not Quite. Coolidge was in charge about 90 years ago.

          2. Trump: Best president in over 100 years.

            GOP has lost 7% against Dems … under Trump!

            Gallup’s latest ?(July, 2018)

            This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Partisan registrations includes leaners, plus states have widely varying rules.
            Republicans 26%
            Democrats 30%
            Independent 41%

            The link has monthly polling since 2004.

            Compare when Trump took office
            Republican 28%
            Democrat 25%
            Independent 44%

            Both parties have declined under Trump (YAY). Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4, a 7% LOSS under Trump
            Each tribe, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. All of America is waiting to be saved by them

            Left – Right = Zero

        2. “Both sides do it.”

        3. You realize this is exactly what the left says about Trump, right???

          1. You realize it’s FAR from being only the left, correct? You realize that libertarians, being neither left nor right, are the ONLY cohort qualified to show that how both sides are morally corrupt? And that left and right are less than 40% of Americans, combined and still shrinking?

            Left – Right = Zero

            Anything else?

      3. Except Pence really is a right wing loony, not a moderate former Democrat like Trump.

        1. “Right wing loony” doesn’t actually mean anything anymore when everyone from Eric Weinstein to Ben Shapiro are called the same thing. You might as well call him a moderate too…. I mean… once you step outside that bubble you;re in.

  27. Reason is doing so much damage to the libertarian brand.

    1. Agree, I view them as the Onion of “Libertarian” sites. Total joke. Stossel should really abandon ship.

      1. Why? Trump is an authoritarian Big Gov piece of shit.

        Granted, he is nowhere as “successful” as the Bushpigs were at destroying things. Give him time though. A $5 trillion ground war in Iran is on their plate.

        1. You should love Trump. You want YUGE government to be our Nannies and Prison Guards.

        2. Why? Trump is an authoritarian Big Gov piece of shit.

          Based on what? Cutting taxes? Cutting regulations? What exactly has he done to make government bigger?

          1. Trumptards think cutting taxes makes government SMALLER!
            While INCREASING the deBt by $10 trillion already (CBO forecast)

            1) MORE SPENDING = BIGGER GOVERNMENT
            2) CUT SPENDING TO SHRINK GOVERNMENT.

            1. So your contention is that cutting taxes makes a president an “authoritarian Big Gov piece of shit”?

              Hihn, to use your own words: you are an “authoritarian Big Gov piece of shit”.

              1. Diversion

                Repeat:

                Trumptards think cutting taxes makes government SMALLER!
                While INCREASING the deBt by $10 trillion already (CBO forecast)

                1) MORE SPENDING = BIGGER GOVERNMENT
                2) CUT SPENDING TO SHRINK GOVERNMENT.

    2. I started coming to this site because I’d been persuaded by some libertarian arguments in other places.
      Nothing has turned me off from libertarianism more than Reason Magazine.
      Well played guys – I protest voted L for prez in 2004, and now I’ll probably never cast an L vote again, at any level.
      Reason+L.P.- growing the two party system every day.

      1. It’s been clear or several weeks that
        1) You have no idea what libertarians are
        2) You continue coming here and complaining (about things you don’t understand)

        For example, WHY is this not libertarian?
        Or might you be another aggressive Trumpster?

        1. For example, WHY is this not libertarian?

          Yeah, I don’t know why an authoritarian like you keeps coming to this site.

    3. It’s not like the rest of us don’t, on a daily basis….

  28. Another pile of shit balls from Reason.

    So lets see does author Steve audit and independently investigate folks he associates with. What “priors” do Manafort and Cohen have?

    Lets look at the “alleged” crime. Campaign finance violation? So paying for a NDA with you own funds is illegal? Not as far as I know. And the whole point of a NDA is NONDISCLOSURE! I guess only if we bring in the thought police to determine if his NDA was to “influence the election”. WTF its legal.The law doesn’t say any of this crap.

    But I’m sure the legal sleuths here at Reason will point that out LOL.

    Ironic, Hillary was exonerated even though she clearly mishandled classified information, a crime, but her intent was good, i.e. she didn’t mean it. Although intent is not in the law anywhere.

    But Trump is “unidicted” whatever that means because of inferred intent regarding legal behavior, i.e. paying someone to keep quite via a NDA.

    Reason always good for a laugh.

    1. +1

    2. Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

      Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

      ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

      The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

      Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

      Congressional GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

      1. Congressional GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

        And if he doesn’t get indicted this time, will you admit your shame and jump off a bridge?

  29. I click on to H&R and see Steve Chapman quoting the *squints*…Bible?

    And not the wimpy watery PC New American version either, but the real Wrath-Of-God King James version, the one with all those problematic passages about sodomy (e.g., Leviticus 20:13).

    Chapman acting like an Evangelical to own the Repubs. Now I’ve seen everything.

    1. I’m surprised they still run his articles. He has to be the most hated author on here, at least top 2.

  30. You’ll notice that when they’re after someone and can’t find any real dirt, it’s either tax rules or campaign finance rules that they get them for. Both are complicated enough to be a catch-all for anyone they want to get.

    Even so, Trump is still a statist arse.

    1. Or lying to investigators.

    2. Even so, Trump is still a statist arse.

      Less so than Obama, Hillary, Bush, or McCain.

  31. “There is one apparent reason the president of the United States was not indicted Tuesday in the same case that yielded a guilty plea from his longtime personal lawyer. It’s not because prosecutors think he is innocent. It’s because he is president.”

    “Some say…..”
    Print lies, expect pushback.

  32. “…Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption against him or anyone in his circle of aides or associates”

    Right:
    “Emails reveal how foundation donors got access to Clinton and her close aides at State Dept.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/emails
    -reveal-how-foundation-donors-got-access-
    to-clinton-and-her-close-aides-at-state-dept
    /2016/08/22/345b5200-6882-11e6-8225-
    fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?utm_term=.81a6c83fa5ec

    Chapman, you are a lying piece of shit.

    1. Weird-the page is no longer available according to the WaPo. Now you wouldn’t think that such an august defender of democracy and free press would take it down for any reason?

      1. A bing search for:
        Hillary clinton sold political access for donations
        Brings it up as the first result

        1. Yepp, Still works.

          Only diff from sevo‘s link is no ?utm_term=.81a6c83fa5ec just end with .html

          So why would one think that such an august defender of democracy and free press would leave it up?

          1. Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

            Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

            ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

            The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

            Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

            Congressional GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

  33. >>>Only after he leaves office are prosecutors free to pursue criminal charges against him.

    helluva goalpost move.

  34. Actually, Cohen wasn’t indicted either. Nobody was.

    The real corruption is what keeps Mueller and the rest of the foul swamp from being hanged in the town square at noon tomorrow.

    HRC, Dems and the corrupt IC operatives collude with Russia to fabricate false allegations against Trump of Russian collusion — the very thing they were doing.

    Special counsel witch hunt based on the false allegations, goes fishing and comes up with . . . consensual sexual affairs and payoffs. Gin up some campaign finance violations through some creative imagination of what a campaign contribution is.

    Never mind that these campaign finance violations are very minor stuff, of the like Obama quietly paid a fine for and the media never talked about it.

    Never mind that under this logic the Steele dossier and Russian collusion were also campaign contrbutions for HRC.

    Never mind that Obama’s deep state spied on political opponents and used a sham dossier as the basis for a FISA warrant — far worse than watergate.

    Oh, and never mind that the entire Russian collusion scam the media hyped forever turned out to be a big lie — not only that, but it was actually Trump’s enemies who were colluding with Russians — and we were led to believe this crime was treasonous, worthy of prison & death sentence, but never mind that!

    The media at large is a joke, a thoroughly political operation try to force their own

    1. I use the term ‘propaganda’ for what Chapman does. Most of the rest of the media are propagandist too.

      Goebbels would have been proud of the USA media for being such liars.

      1. The media at large is a transparently political propaganda outfit trying desperately to create their own reality.

        It has nothing to do with actual reality, unless and until people believe it does. But people are less and less willing to believe them and their power is diminishing.

        All of these thousands of “articles” and “news” could have been written about a thousand things Obama did. But they were not working to undermine him, they were working overtime to cover for him to support his agenda.

    2. “It’s tempting to call such defenders slavish. But slaves were often unenthusiastic and slow in performing their assigned tasks. Trump’s defenders need no whips to motivate them.

      They are better described as cultlike in their fervent willingness to believe whatever they have to believe to remain faithful.”

      1. With leftists these days, everything is projection. Every. Thing. They are the ones who are slavishly pushing more and more deranged narratives, cultlike in their fervent willingness to propagate lies and utter idiocy.

        1. No you’re a doodiehead!

          This could be resolved by a mutual agreement about what fucking facts are. But the Republican party and their media comrades cleanly did away with that concept.

          1. Tony|8.23.18 @ 11:25AM|#
            “No you’re a doodiehead!”

            Yes. Every. Thing.

          2. You should just shout “LIE” some more. That always allows you to change the facts to your liking. It is known.

            1. I care about facts. You idiots only care about Republicans escaping accountability. That’s the sick, sad difference between us.

              1. “You idiots only care about Republicans escaping accountability. That’s the sick, sad difference between us.”

                “With leftists these days, everything is projection. Every. Thing.”
                (with thanks, M.L.)

                1. We’re simply at an impasse because I believe in facts and your head is filled with a bunch of bullshit. You just have to get over that somehow. That’s all there is to do.

                  1. Tony|8.23.18 @ 1:45PM|#
                    “We’re simply at an impasse because I believe in facts …”

                    No, we’re at an impasse since you are not capable of an honest post. Including that one.

      2. “It’s tempting to call such defenders slavish. But slaves were often unenthusiastic and slow in performing their assigned tasks. Trump’s defenders need no whips to motivate them.

        I don’t need to agree with someone politically in order to defend them “enthusiastically” against unwarranted attacks and smear campaigns from socialists and fascists.

        1. blockquote>Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

          Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

          ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

          The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

          Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

          Congressional GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

          1. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen

            And even if he did owe his entire fortune to Russia and Putin did “own him”, what laws would that violate? I’m not aware that not being indebted to foreigners is a prerequisite for being president.

            However, it’s unlikely Mueller will be able to come up with anything substantive from before the election. Why? Because the FBI, CIA, and NSA already tried to find all the dirt they could under Obama.

            1. And even if he did owe his entire fortune to Russia and Putin did “own him”, what laws would that violate?

              “money laundering” is a crime.
              Anything else?

        2. GOP has lost 7% against Dems … under Trump!

          Gallup’s latest ?(July, 2018)

          This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Partisan registrations includes leaners, plus states have widely varying rules.
          Republicans 26%
          Democrats 30%
          Independent 41%

          The link has monthly polling since 2004.

          Compare when Trump took office
          Republican 28%
          Democrat 25%
          Independent 44%

          Both parties have declined under Trump (YAY). Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4, a 7% LOSS under Trump
          Each tribe, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. All of America is waiting to be saved by them

          Left – Right = Zero

  35. Still NOT Hillary.

    That is why I voted for him.

    Would do it again if the other choice was Hillary.

    Give me another choice and I might give you a different answer.

    I’ve gotten, and our “side” (the “conservative” side) has gotten more from Trump than we would have gotten from HIllary.

    It was a sh*tty choice the American people gave us in 2016.

    I had to make the best of it.

    1. Is it the endless wars, endless deficits, or endless recessions that draw you to Republicans?

      1. I noticed America’s longest war continued unabated during Obozo’s 8 years.

        And the ND doubled while the economy barely maintained an anemic growth rate.

        And the enlightened one and Shrillary destroyed Libya creating ANOTHER failed state in N Africa.

        Yeah, one success after another under Obozo. Didn’t see much point in continuing that with Hillary.

        1. But surely you voted for Obama the first time what with Bush’s massive failures on all these fronts.

          1. No.

            Another sh*tty choice in 2008.

            An obvious charlatan vs a RINO that loves war too. He cheered on the Libya fiasco.

            So, you agree my fears about Obozo were justified then?

            1. “So, you agree my fears about Obozo were justified then?”

              Ask Tony whether the hag sold political influence or tried to walk off with the WH silverware.

          2. I didn’t vote for Obama, but knowing what I know now about McCain I probably would have.

            But those false choices were what drove me to vote for GJ last election. Knowing the complete corruption of this attempted coup, though, I will vote for Trump next time. The left is the enemy of liberty, while the right is just a sometimes adversary.

            1. You only think that because your brain is pickled by stupid InfoWars propaganda or whatever. The left. What is the left? Chuck Schumer? Yeah, what a monster he is. Rachel Maddow? She eats babies.

              You don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about when you talk about the left. You’re just all brainstem reactions now.

              1. “You don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about when you talk about the left. You’re just all brainstem reactions now.”

                “With leftists these days, everything is projection. Every. Thing.”
                (with thanks, M.L.)

                1. What a witty comeback, even better the third time.

                  1. ony|8.23.18 @ 1:46PM|#
                    “What a witty comeback, even better the third time.”

                    I try to make it understandable for your benefit, shitbag.

      2. Is it the endless wars, endless deficits, or endless recessions that draw you to Republicans?

        Since Obama was responsible for all three, all of the above.

    2. Gary Johnson was on the ballot.

    3. Still NOT Hillary.

      Thanks for illustrating my point.
      A record number of “anti votes” (nearly 20%) voted against Hillary, NOT for Trump.
      Do the math. Bernie would have slaughtered Trump.

      Left – Right = Zero

      1. Yeah, a democratic socialist is what you, Hihn, are actually hoping for.

  36. I appreciate that this piece says it like it is without the usual qualifications and pathetic hedges, but did you have to make me visualize Trump in a Jacuzzi?

    1. Fat Rush hosts an all-male naked hot tub party in West Palm every year that Trump is rumored to attend. Does that get your gay juices flowing?

      1. Must be one big fucking hot tub.

  37. “Let’s not forget his deep animus for Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption against him or anyone in his circle of aides or associates.”

    What an absolute load of crap. I had to stop reading I can’t handle that much bullshit all at once. Extraordinary renditions, assasination of US citizens, warrant less wiretapping, suspensions of habeus corpus, spying on journalists, prosecution of whistle blowers, etc. don’t count as corruption according to Steve. He must have a case of amnesia in forgetting the Obama campaign paid one of the biggest fines in history for finance violations. Obama must’ve bamboozled him. Do we even have time to get in to his associates?

  38. Dear Mr. Chapman

    I understand you clear hatred for the man. However, it would also seem evident that you have failed to do any real due diligence. I recommend you go read the Justice Department settlement agreement with the former US Senator John Edwards and then re-examine your thoughts on this case.

  39. Is this still a libertarian site? Why is this left wing crap on Reason?

    Uncritically accepting a special prosecutor’s open ended “investigation?” Declaring the Obama administration scandal free?

    Total crap.

    1. “Total crap.”

      And I seem to notice a certain ‘fixation’, shall we say:
      “The Unindicted Co-Conspirator in the Oval Office: New at Reason”
      “Is Everyone in Washington Lying? Cohen, Manafort, Trump, and More: Reason Roundup”
      “Are Schumer and Trump Teaming Up To Give an Obama NLRB Nominee Another Term?”
      “Trump’s Campaign Finance Catch-22: New at Reason”
      “How Trump’s USFL Debacle Predicted His Presidency”
      TDS ain’t just a river in Egypt.

    2. It’s more of a libertarian site than The Nation, anyway. But this place sure has gone downhill since the 90’s, when I was a subscriber. Just another victim of the left’s march through the institutions, and that march must be nearly finished for them to have even bothered with Reason.

  40. Ok lets vote. IMO this is the dumbest Reason article I’ve read. Congratulations Steve Chapman. You are the champion of the Reason idiots. But I’ll entertain other suggested dumbest of all time Reason moments.

    Why is Stossel on this site? I can only surmise that he never reads anything on it.

    Is Reason a test to see if folks can figure out it actually is a version of the Onion?

    1. Have you peeked at anything from Seyton, Sullum, Shackford, or the usual culprits of Dhalmia and Welch lately? I’d consider Chapman the most Democratic cheerleader of the group, but articles like this are becoming more the norm than the outlier here.

    2. Libertarianism isn’t equivalent to defending everything Republicans ever do no matter how fucking guilty they are.

      Why do so many of you think that it is?

      1. Tony|8.23.18 @ 1:48PM|#
        “Libertarianism isn’t equivalent to defending everything Republicans ever do no matter how fucking guilty they are.”

        No one but you and the other lefty imbeciles posting here claims it is.
        But it seems being a D means you are incapable of posting anything approaching honest.

    3. Easily the worst crap i’ve read on Reason, to be sure

  41. “Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption”

    WTF? Why is Reason publishing this?

    1. Because what point would it serve in repeating InfoWars lies?

      1. Exactly. Better to publish *different* lies.

  42. Many previous presidents have done much worse things. Heck, Trump has probably done worse things.

    1. That is why all this is propaganda….would be nice to have articles that point out all the intricacies and and stimulate the free mind…..this is designed to stimulate the closed mind. It’s ashame that all media is becoming this way. You win Putin!

  43. He will because of this kind of propaganda crap…again this fall short of what one would expect from “Reason”.

  44. Yep lets all go vote for Obama again, oh wait we can’t!!! What to do? what to do? Now what?

  45. And when Manafort co-committed many of those crimes, he was working for and under the direction of…………….let’s see how smart you really are (hint, this guy quit his lucrative crime committing company and went into hiding from the public immediately and like most wealthy powerful Democrats will not be charged for any crimes he has committed.

  46. Well, if this was the case, then I will criticize them for not just indicting the president. I don’t put much stock in the idea that a president can’t be indicted, but at least we should find out for sure at long last, and not be subtle about what you’re saying. It’s also the reason I think Mueller should just subpoena Trump already.

  47. If only there was *uninformed nonsense* button. Explain the crime, please. (And, no, paying hush money to someone who threatens to go public with information — true or false — about your private life is not a crime. The crime is called blackmail or extortion. Look it up.)

  48. Let’s not forget his deep animus for that big anus Barack Obama.

  49. It’s getting worse. The CEO of National Inquirer has been granted immunity, along with his lawyer, to reveal Trump’s involvement in the McDougal felony.

    Trumpsters are now in desperation, as is Trump, and as they eagerly believe his increasingly unhinged bullshit.
    No crime if it was his money? Oh? He could have spent millions of dollars to buy the 39,000 vote Electoral margin (0.03% of the popular vote??? Trump and Giuliani can’t even get their competing lies straight!

    But the money came from his business, ILLEGAL, with blatant coverups, like repaying Cohen at $50,000 a month and making it look like a retainer. WHY?

    How scared is Trump? He’s now bullying the entire electorate! He’s KNOWS he’s now an even bigger threat to HIMSELF (a GOP House) Says a Dem House will impeach him … which (INSANELY) will cause a stock market crash!!

    His TOTAL lack of ANY business management experience is seen in his totally dumb strategy and tactics. Did he just ridicule his own economic policies? YES!!! But let’s be kind. Have SOME pity for his mental handicaps.

    1. No crime if it was his money?

      Correct. And if it wasn’t his money, it wasn’t a crime either.

      He could have spent millions of dollars to buy the 39,000 vote Electoral margin

      That would have been a crime. But he didn’t.

      1. How many see the MASSIVE hypocrisy there?

        Does he also believe that impeachment will cause another Great Depression?

        1. How many see the MASSIVE hypocrisy there?

          Hihn, how is pointing out flaws in your arguments “hypocrisy”?

          Does he also believe that impeachment will cause another Great Depression?

          Impeachment would cause Pence to become president. Except for a bit more social conservatism, I don’t expect much would change.

          As long as we don’t get another war monger or socialist we should be fine.

  50. “The nation is being governed by an unindicted co-conspirator.”

    You seem to pretend this is unusual.

  51. This is even worse than Chapman’s “Chicago is safe if you’re white” article

  52. Pure crap. Just because you make a wild assertion doesn’t make it true.

  53. It didn’t affect Bill Clinton, who actually WAS impeached, lost his law license, and it didn’t stop Hillary from running.

    Methinks thou doth protest too much.

  54. It’s instructive that when it comes to immigration, drugs, and all manner of other highly-regulated activities, Reason downplays or entirely dismisses violations of such high-regulated activities, but when it comes to — sharp intake of breath, clutching pearls — the sacred campaign finance laws, the likes of Chapman is suddenly hot on the trail, full of righteous indignation. The law’s been violated! The law’s been violated!

    One might suppose murder, rape or buggery had been done.

  55. Obviously TDS has overwhelmed the author of this piece.

    Bye-bye, “Reason” magazine.

    1. Loser

      PROOF … COLLUSION!
      And a totally psycho lie by Giuliani

      Russian invitation to Donald Jr.
      The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

      This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump ? helped along by Aras and Emin.
      Source: Donald Trump Jr’s own Twitter feed!!!

      LOCK HIM UP!

      1. Hihn, why do you even bother trying to hide your identity?

      2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano rants from his homeless corner in Boise.

        1. Faced with absolute and undeniable proof of guilt, by Trump’s own son, what do Trumptards do?
          MOAR DIVERSION. (snort)

          1. Cowards. Like Trump.

  56. Trumps problem is more political than legal. Sure he will keep his base but there are not enough of them.

    A lot of people held their noses and voted for him because…Hillary.

    She is no longer a factor. The ball is in the democrats court.

    1. A lot of people held their noses and voted for him because…Hillary. She is no longer a factor. The ball is in the democrats court.

      And who are they going to nominate? Warren? Hillary again? Sanders? Biden? Booker? Harris? Yeah, like that’s going to work. The rest are political nobodies.

      1. The rest are political nobodies.

        Like Trump was?

        Nothing personal, but this is why we can’t take you people seriously.

  57. “There is one apparent reason the president of the United States was not indicted Tuesday in the same case that yielded a guilty plea from his longtime personal lawyer. It’s not because prosecutors think he is innocent. It’s because he is president.”

    Or, just possibly, because he is NOT GUILTY! If memory serves, none of the activities for which either Manafort or Cohen were indicted/tried occurred while they were working for President Trump. Not one iota of evidence of the President’s guilt has yet surfaced, and I’d bet the farm that if there was such evidence we would have heard about before now. And surely even you, Mr Chapman, are aware that the dossier used as evidence for a wiretap is as bogus as it is possible for something to be.

    I note that you are a columnist and editorial writer for the Chicago Tribune. Why a magazine such as “Reason” would even publish your screed is beyond me. From the tone of your piece I strongly suspect that you voted for HRC. That you – or any sane, intelligent – could support such a socialist and crook is beyond me.

    One final note: I suggest you read up on President and former general Ulysses S Grant. His administration is considered to be onf if not THE most corrupt in U.S. history. And yet, withal, there was no hint of any personal wrongdoing on Grant’s part. But that will not stop you and others like you from trying anything and everything to overturn the results of the last presidential election.

  58. Obama had no investigations into his administration’s actions because he controlled the DOJ, which is something this President does not.

    1. And Obama was born on Kenya … Benghazi. … Email server ….

  59. Democrats are fixing to open the Pandora’s box of impeachment. One TDS sufferer in this thread even suggested that in Obama’s two terms there were no “credible” allegations of anything criminal or shady at all! Not even by Sec. of State Clinton, apparently!

    I contend that this sad lack of investigations and investigative reporting just shows how much the fix was in at the DOJ and in the major media.

    So now these same people, feeling outraged at the surprise election result of 2016, think they are in position to undo it all. You know, there was a big bridge in Italy that crashed down when a load too many attempted to cross it. No one knows when such breaking points are going to come.

    I didn’t get to be sooo old by running out on suspect structures and jumping up and down, but that’s just me. . .

    1. “Democrats are fixing to open the Pandora’s box of impeachment.”

      Sure, just like statists of all persuasions have weaponised the Supreme Court, and inferior courts, just as they’ve weaponised (ironically) the border, and even restaurant dining.

      The Constitution was a great thing, as was a republic, and separation of powers, but it only works, as Old Ben said, if you can keep it.

  60. You know, If I wanted to read the horse shit about how Trump is a crook, I would be reading Huffpo, or Vox. Now tell me, why the hell did I start reading Reason?

    If you are going to turn into a leftist pile on for hating Trump, you can cancel my damn print subscription.

  61. James Comey, a person of “firm probity”? Give me a fucking break. He laid out all of the facts necessary to convict Hillary on thousands of counts under the espionage act, and then pulled a “didn’t mean any harm” excuse, which is not provided for in the statute, out of his ass to give Lynch cover for letting her walk.

    -jcr

  62. The question on everyone’s mind right now should be, does Pence have what it takes to be the next Jerry Ford?

    -jcr

  63. “Donald Trump will serve the remainder of his presidency under the specter of prison.” …and won’t give two fucks about it.

  64. 1) I have yet to see anyone post actual evidence showing that Russia likely interfered in our election in any significant way.

    2) Mueller is one of the Deep State hacks who helped lie us into the Iraq War. He couldn’t even look up when he was lying before the congressional committee. He KNEW he was shilling for the cause. He also helped ruin a scientist who everyone now agrees had nothing to do with the anthrax attacks. Guy is beyond unethical. A true creep.

    3) How can anyone think any Russian influence actually caused folks to choose Trump over HRC. That is beyond absurd, but even if true, the FB ads, the Twitter posts purchased by “the Russians” were NOT illegal. I am shocked than libertarians would argue that foreign nations have no right to purchase ad space. And why wouldn’t Russia want Trump to win? HRC wanted to go to war with Russia over Syria.

    4) Paying hush money is NOT a crime. Cohen admitted to something that was in no way a crime. If Trump paying a skank to keep quiet is influencing an election, then so is HRC paying her hairstylist to make her look good, which takes a lot of work.

    5) Russia has not been the aggressor in the world. It wasn’t Russia that destabilized Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and Yemen. That was a combo of the US, Israel, Saudi and other nations. We have Russia surrounded. Enough with the demonization of Russia.

  65. Donald Trump is a douchebag. But his biggest mistake was hiring people like deep state enablers like Sessions and Rosenstein, along with all of the neocons who care first for Israel. If Obama had hired someone actually willing to investigate him and his administration without bias, then he too would have faced the “specter of prison.”

  66. Prosecutor: Ya know Mikey I like you. You’re a good guy. But if you don’t play ball here we’re gonna fuck you up big time. You’ll be dead broke and you’ll spend years in a federal penitentiary. That’s just the way we roll.
    Cohen: Yes Sir.
    Prosecutor: We don’t give a shit what you’re guilty of. But you’re guilty of something because everybody is. You saw what we did to Flynn right?
    Cohen: Yes sir.
    Prosecutor: So do we have a deal?
    Cohen: Well I was skeptical. But I’ve been reading Reason Magazine and I’m now convinced you guys are the nation’s finest, incorruptible patriots.
    Prosecutor: Yeah. That’s the story Mikey.
    Cohen: So what am I confessing to?
    Prosecutor: Don’t worry about that. The paperwork is already drawn up. Just sign and date and we can get out of here.
    Cohen: Yes sir.

    1. Very good and creative too. Well written and well done.

    2. Severe denial is a mental disorder.

      1. Said the king of the mentally handicapped.

  67. Bill Binney and other former intelligence officials have proven that the so called DNC hack was actually an inside job. Whatever Russian hacking was done, it was not responsible for what was shared with Wikileaks about HRC. Even if it had, it would have been a public service.

  68. What TDS tripe to be published here. Trump certainly has his short comings and does seem to think bad people like Manafort are ‘good’ but so what? Obama hung out with bad people all the time, no?

    After all we know about the shenanigans of the god damn last administration I still think Trump is a piker next to Obama/Hillary. Those two were on another level.

    1. You mean, like his Muslim driver for the Presidential limousine?

      Or having Valerie Jarrett as a roomie at the White House?

      Or, or ?

      What you don’t get is that they were bad people, but they were Obama’s bad people, and therefore washed clean.

      1. You mean, like his Muslim driver for the Presidential limousine?

        Most hateful bigort would be too proud to show it in public like that.

  69. Also. If I want to read these takes on Trump I’ll just go to any liberal/progressive site.

    I expect more from Reason.

    1. “Unindicted Co-Conspirator” was a valid term as regards Nixon; the court named him as such. Here, it is some TDS victim making up a claim, and lying to support it. Yes, Chapman, *LYING*; see above, liar.
      I have to admit cutting my support from (a sizeable amount) to zero over the past couple of years; the visits here are no longer to see where libertarianism might be headed, but merely to post the egregious links I find in the morning paper, and sling insults at the lot of lefties and TDS victims who now populate the site. Which obviously includes some of the writers; ENB, wanna walk back that “some say” bullshit?
      BTW, I wish all of you who do have a (real) preference for libertarianism all the best. Under the Trump admin, my company has seen a jump in annualized revenue amounting to something over 25%; I hope your fortunes are doing as well (in spite of Trump’s ill-considered tariffs).
      To turd in particular, given your nearly constant financial lying, I can report that the news on the ground is good!
      Oh, and fuck off.

      1. Very good and appropriate comment. Chapman should be called out on his blatant lies. And you’re right — Reason.com is no longer a libertarian website. It’s now a place where the worst of the lot tend to post meaningless, vindictive comments.
        And Reason continues to publish Chapman’s tripe. So I have to ask why. Why?

        1. And Reason continues to publish Chapman’s tripe. So I have to ask why. Why?

          Because this is a libertarian website, but you suffer the delusion that Trump is libertarian.
          Then again, he did have the largest inauguration crowd, Electoral College victory and tax cuts, evah.

          1. You suffer the dellusion that Chapman is a libertarian and that there is anything in his rant that has anything to do with libertarianism.

            1. Called out …. FAILS

              YouREFUSE to name WHAT is non-libertarian in his column.
              You also FAIL to name a single lie.
              Typical Trumptard, a bellowing bully.
              Rock-thrower

      2. “Under the Trump admin, my company has seen a jump in annualized revenue amounting to something over 25%; I hope your fortunes are doing as well (in spite of Trump’s ill-considered tariffs).” My business is also up 25% gross Trump over Obama. This is mostly due to deregulation and tax cuts, usually popular with libertarians. With HRC we would have had the opposite, higher taxes and more oppressive regulation. I’m hoping Trump doesn’t kill the golden goose with tariffs. Assholes like Chapman can indulge their TDS all day long but the blue collar people I see every day love this guy no matter how many porn stars he fucked. And they are not just white racist deplorables. They’re white, black, hispanic, asian and every other ethnic group. Fuck Chapman and his elitist bullshit. And fuck reason for giving him a forum.

      3. Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

        Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

        ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

        The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

        Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

        Congressional GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

  70. Its all a lot of BS. The tit for tat screw each other for political power. No wonder so many are unaffiliated voters now. Screw the partisan hacks.

  71. Daniel68|8.23.18 @ 7:31PM|#
    […]
    4) Paying hush money is NOT a crime. Cohen admitted to something that was in no way a crime. If Trump paying a skank to keep quiet is influencing an election, then so is HRC paying her hairstylist to make her look good, which takes a lot of work.”

    We have the thread winner right here!
    Daniel, have a drink on me.

    1. A crime not a crime
      The truth is not truth.
      Abd Trump is not a psycho.

  72. Damn, Steve. You really don’t like Trump, do you? Everything you wrote here is only the most negative viewpoint one could take. Where were your snide remarks when Obama and George W Bush were in office?

    I used to have some respect for you back when — you founded the Club for Growth. I even got a T-shirt as a prize for the best caption for a photo in your email.

    Then when you were on the Editorial Page of the WSJ, you made a lot of sense to me.

    What changed? Why have you gone off the deep end with your rancor for Trump? Your remarks are vile and hateful, accusatory with no evidence shown. Just your opinion. Pathetic.

    He’s created a very pro-business climate and the economy is doing very well for the first time in decades. Black and Hispanic unemployment are at an all-time low due to his policies and those he signed with Congress. You’re business oriented. Tell me this isn’t a good thing.

    The economy is a helluva lot better than it was under Obama. Obama was definitely anti-business.

    Compared to the competition, Trump is by far the better choice. What? You’d rather have Hillary Clinton presiding over our nation?

    Only one person can win a political race. And you’re in the minority of what American’s said they want and continue to say it and approve it. Give it a rest for gods sake.

    1. This just in: mondo_cane makes total public fool of himself. Again., Film at 11.

      I used to have some respect for you back when — you founded the Club for Growth. I even got a T-shirt as a prize for the best caption for a photo in your email.

      Then when you were on the Editorial Page of the WSJ, you made a lot of sense to me.

      That was Steve MOORE!

      Club for Growth was “founded in 1999 by Moore (now a member of the Wall Street Journal editorial board); National Review president Dusty Rhodes; Cato Institute president Ed Crane; stockbroker Richard Gilder; and Larry Kudlow, a former Reagan adviser and co-host of CNBC’s Kudlow & Cramer,” and other like-minded people.

      This is why we call them “Trumptards”

  73. TDS is strong in this one.

    Nothing to see here, move along now.

  74. Oh, and by the way. I shall be UNSUBSCRIBING from your emails/website. I’ve found that you are NOT a libertarian website, and you aren’t even pretending to be. Basically, you are sorely misrepresenting yourself.

    I’m not interested in reading the likes of Chapman and others suffering from vindictiveness. That’s not libertarian. Chapman never writes about libertarianism. It’s always a pathological rant.

    And I’m tired of it.

    1. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass, on your way back to Fox/Breitbart/Infowars/StormFront.
      Since you are somehow beleeb that Trump is (a) libertarian and (b) not guilty.

  75. The likelihood of Trump being indicted for campaign finance violations after his term is equal to Clinton’s of being indicted for perjury after his term. Oh, and perjury is a far more serious violation than an undisclosed campaign contribution.

  76. President Trump was not indicted because he has not committed any crime . As part of the FAKE NEWS cite the statute , and the crime ,and, ‘The U.S. Justice Department has long taken the position that a sitting president is exempt from indictment . ”
    The only thing that sinks in is that you have a severe case of TDS , and need nets and meds .
    Trump’s defenders deprecate the importance of the campaign finance violations that Michael Cohen admitted. They make much of the absence of any connection to Russia. They take vindication from a jury’s failure to convict Paul Manafort on 10 of the 18 charges that he faced.
    Let me do Manafort first . He was a bad boy , cheated on taxes , cheated banks . Sooner, or later ,I.R.S . would have caught him .The problem for you, Steve, is all the GUILTY , and NOT GUILTY, have ZERO TO DO WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP -THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED FAKE NEWS . I WOULD SHOUT ‘CONVICTIONS’ TOO ,IF I KNEW THE TAX PAYERS SHELLED OUT TWENTY MILLION OR SO , AND I HAD SQUAT .
    NOW LETS DO COHEN . FOR THOSE OF US WHO CAN READ , AND READ NEWSPAPERS , HE PLEADED GUILTY TO : CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS , BANK FRAUD , AND TAX EVASION . THE BANK FRAUD , AND TAX EVASION HAVE ZERO TO DO WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP

    1. Trumpsters lose ? AGAIN!

      Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

      Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

      ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

      The tweets are about to get very nasty. He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

      Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia, and WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen.

      GOP has MAYBE a week to bail.

  77. THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE VIOLATIONS ARE ALSO DELI CLASS BALONY . A CANDIDATE CAN USE HIS OWN MONEY HOWEVER HE PLEASES . ATTENTION ALL DUMBOCRATS , PRESIDENT TRUMP SPENT ABOUT ONE THIRD AS MUCH AS SECRETARY CLINTON . THIS PROVES THAT IDEAS WIN ELECTIONS , NOT MONEY . CITIZENS UNITED IS A CORRECT DECISION . ONCE THE MESSAGE IS HEARD , THE ONLY THING THAT COUNTS IS HOW GOOD IT IS .THERE WERE PLENTY OF VERY WELTHY CANDIDATES WHO COULD NOT EVEN GET A PARTY NOMINATION ( BLOOMBERG, PEROT, ROCKEFELLER ) .
    ‘James Comey, who wouldn’t agree to ” o easy” on one of those confessed felons (Michael Flynn); Robert Mueller, who has served his country as a decorated Marine, federal prosecutor, and FBI director, all without a hint of scandal; Rod Rosenstein, who has refused to fire Mueller as special counsel; and a host of journalists whose sole sin is to report unflattering facts about Trump.’
    IF GEN. FLYNN DID WHAT HE DID AFTER INAUGURATION DAY , THERE WOULD BE NO ‘CRIME.’ MUELLER HAS BOUGHT IN ON THE ” STEELE MANURE SHIT PILE DOSSIER ” AND WANTS TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS . THIS IS ALSO TRUE FOR ROD ROSENSTEIN . COMEY COULD NOT FIND LEAKS FROM A FIREHOSE , AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR INCOMPETENCE . MUELLER AND ROSENSTEIN REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN , WHO DO THOSE LITTLE SHITS THINK THEY WORK FOR.
    THE REAL CRIME HERE IS TREASON ; THE ATTEMPT TO REMOVE A DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT .

  78. While I will not deny that Trump is a bad President, and surrounds himself with sycophants. And yes, he only wants to see good news about himself.

    However the assertion the Obama administration was the paragon of virtue, is just BS. The IRS scandal, contempt of Congress for Fast and Furious, the NSA exceeding their warrants, or CIA Director and DNI misleading Congress. Or how about his Secretary of State having an unauthorized, unsecured secret private server which had classified material pass through it. They just were not well covered, nor was anyone punished.

    1. While I will not deny that Trump is a bad President,

      Seeing him on TV makes my skin crawl. But I have no significant problems with his policies so far.

      The worst he’s done is starting the trade war with China, but we don’t know the outcome of that yet, so it’s too early to judge.

  79. Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg gets immunity

    Allen Weisselberg, longtime chief financial officer for the Trump organization, has been granted immunity by federal prosecutors? This is a very significant story that’s already causing waves in the legal circles around the White House.

    ? Weisselberg has true and deep visibility into the Trump Organization. Trumpworld’s greatest fear is that SDNY investigators start prying deeper into the president’s business affairs. Trump can’t shut down such an investigation by firing Robert Mueller. This one’s out of his hands.

    The tweets are about to get very nasty! He goes back DECADES as Trump’s Chief Financial Officer. Looks like Mueller hopes to wind this up before the midterms.

    Look for the “loans” he got from Deutsche Bank, a convicted money-launderer for Russia ? the ONLY bank that lent to him after all the bankruptcies. We already know he spent over $100 million on properties soon after ? all cash, no mortgages. If that cash traces to Deutsche Bank ? unsecured loans to the America’s worst credit risk ? by a Russian money launder? Do the math, he may literally owe his entire fortune to Russia … which would be WHY Putin owns him. And 90% those chips have fallen. (Also looking for tax fraud)

  80. “If we know nothing else about Trump, we know that he finds the company of criminals as warm and inviting as a Jacuzzi.”

    Wow. Big surprise. Trump was a crooked real estate developer in New York who built his fortune, at least in part, by stiffing contractors and subcontractors. Robbing Peter to pay Paul was a business model for him. But the media and public let it go by, in part because he was great copy and in part because he was a hell of a lot more interesting in public than the worn out dishrag the Dems were putting up.

    But to be fair I think it more accurate to say that Trump finds the company of shady operators warm and inviting. Why? Because he are one, devoting his career to roller skating on the edge of the Grand Canyon of legality and mostly getting away with it. And this distinguishes him from the Clintons and Obama how, exactly? Except for media response to his peccadillos, not hardly at all. If the media had paid half the attention to Solyndra and the outing of Seal Team 6, as just two examples, during Obama’s term as they do the color of Trump’s toilet paper, we would have had a very different Obama presidency.

    “Let’s not forget his deep animus for Barack Obama, who served two terms without any credible allegation of corruption against him or anyone in his circle of aides or associates” Oh, please. Let’s start with the Tarmac summit and work back from there. Why is Reason such an apologist rag for Obama?

  81. So what exactly did Cohen plead guilty to relating to Trump? I mean, he plead guilty to helping Trump use his own money to pay hush money to Big Clifford and the National Enquirer. I know the media narrative wrote it as, “Trump’s lawyer turned on Trump and implicated him in his guilty plea”. But….if I read it right….Cohen was saying he helped Trump follow the law (using his own funds and not campaign funds).

    And now Cohen’s own lawyer (Lanny Davis), who for years was Hillary’s lawyer, is running around saying Cohen wasn’t in Prague. Basically the scenario is that Hillary’s former henchman is now undermining the basis of the pee pee dossier than Trump had a man collecting money in Prague from Russian mafia.

    So two things from this:
    A) It may be that Cohen hasn’t truly flipped against Trump, and
    B) What in the Cohen trial in any way says that Trump is guilty of something besides winning an election that Hilary supporters are still mad at? (And that some Johnson supporters are mad at although Trump was the only one on the general ballot who didn’t support a carbon tax!!!!!! Hello!! I liked Gary Johnson too until that moment, and at least Trump didn’t try to claim he was libertarian!!!!!!)

    1. it’s almost redeeming to watch the IQ of a typical Trump voter!

  82. More wishful thinking from a total piece of shit libtard from the fascist Chicago Tribune. Fuck you, Chapman, you scum-sucking maggot. May you die early.

  83. GOP has lost 7% against Dems … under Trump

    Gallup’s latest ?(July, 2018)

    This is “affiliation” — how you define yourself. Partisan registrations includes leaners, plus states have widely varying rules.
    Republicans 26%
    Democrats 30%
    Independent 41%

    The link has monthly polling since 2004.

    Compare when Trump took office
    Republican 28%
    Democrat 25%
    Independent 44%

    Both parties have declined under Trump (YAY). Republicans have fallen from +3 to -4, a 7% LOSS under Trump
    Each tribe, of course, beleeeebs, it is the majority. All of America is waiting for them to save them

    Left – Right = Zero

  84. I love to tie off dying threads, maybe with an idea picked up yesterday from the Limbaugh show. Could it be that we don’t understand what is going on between Jeff Sessions and Trump correctly?

    On the surface, it is really bad. Democrat strong-arm lawyers are being allowed to run amok giving Trump associates a form of legal beat-down that is the other side of the universe from what Hillary C. (despite what millions of people are convinced are her far more serious crimes against our legal system and national interest) had to endure.

    The State of New York with a DA named Chris Vance is getting in the act. This may be the Democrat TDS wet dream of getting to Trump’s tax and business records at last. It will be via a circuitous route, threatening people and being as nasty as they can be all the way, but the Democrats may get there. Shame on them.

    Suppose Trump and Sessions are playing a quieter, longer game? Suppose Trump’s attacks on his seemingly comatose Attorney General are a distraction to keep the Mainstream Media Monopoly’s Vigilant Democrat Defenders from interfering with important things that could be happening under the radar at the DOJ?

    1. PROOF … COLLUSION!
      And a totally psycho lie by Giuliani

      Russian invitation to Donald Jr.
      The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

      This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump ? helped along by Aras and Emin.
      Source: Donald Trump Jr’s own Twitter feed!!!

      LOCK HIM UP!

  85. Cohen pleaded they way the DoJ wrote. it for him. It does not mean it happened
    The President had been paying of people for years ,none of it illegal .Which makes this not a campaign finance crime .

    1. The President had been paying of people for years ,none of it illegal .Which makes this not a campaign finance crime

      Your very own words say the prior ones arw NOT campaign related.
      So … this cannot be a campaign finance crime, because it’s the only campaign finance pay off.
      Oh.

  86. Fuck this. Most of the comments on this article are Hihn sock puppets, Reason needs to purge them all.

    1. OMG! Last of the Shitlords has been TRIGGERED!

      And RIGHTwing snowflakes are just like LEFT wing snowflakes, when their feelings are hurt … CLEANSER ALL IMPURITIES

      1) There can be ONLY one person on this page who does not slurp Trump’s shwonce.
      2) So ever comment NOT properly worshipping the Orange were made by ONE BLAHPHEMER … named “Hihn” — using 23 different aliases for himself of herself! Diabolical bastard!

      So Trumptard DEMANDS that Reason purge EVERY comment that fails to kiss Trump’s butt

      To restore the Safe Space which is an “entitlement” for Trumptards only.

      Fall on your knees to “honor” (slurp from) the Orange God. Hallelujah
      Amen.

      1. “So Trumptard DEMANDS that Reason purge EVERY comment that fails to kiss Trump’s butt”

        So you’re every progtard account here now? Good to know.

        Go check into hospice you old cunt.

  87. Let’s face it, Trump is a bad Don. Leading a major crime family depends on staying under the radar not grandstanding before the world with your illegalities or demonstrating you are a Russian GRU asset or a big-time financial money launderer. Incompetent too with a pretty weak enforcer to send out on a mission; Cohen is no Luka Brasi. In Baku, his Trump tower laundered money for the Iranian Republican Guard, it was built far from the waterfront and they spent a huge sum of money on it. Hum, I wonder where the money went. In Panama, another Trump project was in cahoots with Columbian drug dealers. In NYC we see the building spree with new luxury towers bought by foreigners that never intend to occupy them. Chinese and Russian money, a lot of Russian money. Who controls the taps on the Russian money – Putin. Who would do business with Felix Sadir? How many Russian connections does it take to the connect the dots? If you think Trump is clean I have a building to sell you – 666.

  88. Have you noticed that the State is “breaking” attorneys right and left? Going down…

    1. I agree. Going down. The question is, can we bring Trump down with no more damage to America and our institutions?

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