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Trump's Incendiary Trade Rhetoric Won't Help Mexico's Political Mess

The president's trade policy makes as much sense as Canadian Bacon, the farcical 1995 film about a trumped up war against Canada.

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When Donald Trump lamented Canadian shoe smuggling during a recent speech to a small-business group, I thought of a farcical 1995 movie called Canadian Bacon. Its premise wasn't much stranger than Trump's complaint that Canadians cross the border, shop for shoes, then "they wear them" and "scuff 'em up" as they head back home to Saskatoon or Halifax. It's a common way to avoid duties on foreign purchases.

In the movie, a U.S. president was battling low popularity. America had run out of genuine enemies, so the president ginned up a phony conflict with our neighbors to the north. One of the movie's rare funny scenes was when actor John Candy insulted Canadian beer during a hockey game, thus starting a riot that gave the president the cold-war idea.

It would all be so politically incorrect, except the whole joke was based on an obvious point: Canada is one of the most peaceful nations in history. Even Trump has to realize that if the biggest problem we have with another country is that its citizens come and—gasp!—spend money at U.S. shopping malls, then it's not a particularly big problem, eh?

Sure, it's hard to grasp the president's rude remarks toward Canada as he praises a guy who runs the world's largest concentration camp (North Korea's Kim Jong Un). But few Americans get too upset because we know there won't be any serious repercussions at the northern border. But, of course, most of the president's ire has been directed at the other border, and problems in our less-developed and more troubled (but still friendly) southern neighbor continue to spill over.

The latter point is obvious, given the nationwide turmoil that ensued after the federal government stepped up family separations for illegal border crossers. It remains to be seen whether the executive order Trump signed actually stops this cruelty, but it would be nice if more Americans realized that the politics of grievance and anger here could make a challenging situation in Mexico worse.

For instance, Mexico's national election will be held on July 1. In the United States, politicians whine about nasty TV ads. In Mexico, 113 local elected officials and candidates from various parties have been murdered over the course of the race, with more than 600 candidates dropping out because of fear. Talk about a frightening mess.

Meanwhile, the leading presidential candidate, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, is a populist who promises to tackle Mexican corruption and to grant amnesty in the drug war, but he also champions leftist economic policies. As Foreign Policy reports, some people fear Obrador is "the Mexican Hugo Chávez—a dangerous radical who would threaten the country's political and economic stability." Others see him as a "practical reformer."

One need only look at repression and food lines in Venezuela, where Chávez and his successors obliterated the economy, to understand that the stakes are high. The publication notes that as Mexico enjoyed "the longest period of sustained economic growth in its history" and embraced notable economic reforms, Obrador was the main opposition voice.

Is progress too slow? Of course. Is Mexico awash in corruption? The answer is obvious. But if you think the United States has an immigration problem now, what happens if Mexico's next president governs like a socialist and kills the economy? My fear has long been that Trump's occasionally unhinged rhetoric toward Mexico would create political blowback south of the border. The Economist refers to him as "Mexico's answer to Donald Trump."

Oddly, the New York Times notes that discussions about the United States have been notably absent from the campaign, mainly because all of the candidates are united in their dislike of our president. "Mexicans alike have come to view most of Mr. Trump's threats and hostile rhetoric as little more than bluster and political gamesmanship aimed…at his base," according to the report. That's a relief, and something I saw during a recent visit to Jalisco. Other than the "F*** Trump" t-shirts sold to tourists at Puerto Vallarta souvenir shops, the Mexican people are doing a better job than many Americans at rolling with Trump's incendiary rhetoric.

Still, I wonder about the nationalistic "Make America Great Again" approach that simultaneously tries to reduce immigration while limiting (through tariffs) the ability of Americans to import goods from other countries. Clearly, a booming economy with bustling Mexican factories and a growing tech sector will mean that fewer Mexican nationals will need to seek employment in the United States. As always, the easy movement of people and goods across borders is the best way to assure freedom and prosperity in both countries.

Our problems with Mexico are undoubtedly more serious than any problems with Canada. But it would be much better if our administration's approach to all of our neighbors were more constructive and diplomatic—and less evocative of a scene from a bad comedy.

Steven Greenhut is Western region director for the R Street Institute. He was a Register editorial writer from 1998-2009. Write to him at sgreenhut@rstreet.org. This column was first published by the Orange County Register.

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  1. Someone tell Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama that their foreign policy advisers ideas have been stolen by Greenhut!

  2. “Trump’s Incendiary Trade Rhetoric Won’t Help Mexico’s Political Mess”

    Not in his job description

    America First.

    1. It’s in America’s interest to have a more stable neighbor. Cooperation makes both countries stronger.

      1. Yes, it’s within our interest to have a more stable neighbor. That doesn’t make reforming Mexico’s government Trump’s job.

        1. Trump is making Mexico worse. Therefore, he is acting against US interests.
          Conditions in Mexico are inseparable from US actions.

          1. Yes, yes, it’s all Trump’s fault. Mexico was the most awesome place ever before January 20, 2017. There was never anything wrong with it before.

      2. “It’s in America’s interest to have a more stable neighbor. Cooperation makes both countries stronger.”

        Yes, and Mexico should clean up their mess and become more stable. Or maybe a genius like you can go there and convince them YOU know how to fix things.

        1. Or, maybe the genius over here could, you know, restrain himself from saying moronic things that inflame idiots in Mexico so they don’t get leverage to gain power to make things worse over there.

          ‘Longest period of sustained economic growth’ – let’s try to not fuck it up and our immigration problems will solve themselves.

          1. “Or, maybe the genius over here could, you know, restrain himself from saying moronic things that inflame idiots in Mexico so they don’t get leverage to gain power to make things worse over there.”
            Uh, was there ever a hope that this made sense?
            Pretty sure you’re going to have to wiggle through the 4th dimension of collateral damage hoping you haven’t proven yourself an ignoramus.
            Good luck, ignoramus.

          2. We could label Obrador’s threats as a promise of an invasion and shut down ALL immigration. Hard. Then massively increase costs on remitting money back to Mexico (and forbid ANY remittances if the person takes ANY government benefits)

            This is not a battle Mexico can really win.

      3. It has been almost 25 years since all the big mainstream grandees like Poppy Bush and Bill Clinton told us that all the free trade deals and closer integration with Mexico would be great for them.

        Talk about your all time bad predictions! Mexico is a bigger and far more dangerous shithole now than it was back then.

        1. Yeah, and the US’ drug war has nothing to do with that. It certainly isn’t the main driver of violence there. No sir.

  3. “In Mexico, 113 local elected officials and candidates from various parties have been murdered over the course of the race, with more than 600 candidates dropping out because of fear. Talk about a frightening mess.”

    A frightening mess that Reason is eager to import to the US

    Countries are not places with people, they’re people with places
    Import Mexico, become Mexico

    1. This. It is why nationalism is a natural thing that mostly isn’t negative despite what Reason writers and the left will tell you. I like the idea of absolute freedom of movement, but unrestricted movement of people from what are frankly inferior cultures will change our culture for the worst. It is difficult enough to fight for classical liberalism against our own stupid public that we don’t need to expand that fight to the more collectivist poor of the 3rd world. I’d like us to export the ideals of freedom, but we have a cold civil war in which the side of liberty has been on a long losing streak.

      1. Whose culture is inferior to that of the fat beer-chugging morons who voted for Trump?

        1. Most of the world’s cultures, objectively speaking. The “fat, beer-chugging morons who voted for Trump” seem to be able to run a civilization that produces a much better standard of living than most of the world enjoys.

          1. This country has never been diminished so fast so unavoidably. Anyone who voted for Trump actually hates America. Especially the parts of it that are worth a damn. (Not its coal mines.)

            1. Tony|6.29.18 @ 11:52AM|#
              “This country has never been diminished so fast so unavoidably.”

              Try to sell your lies somewhere else, shitbag.

            2. Never change Tony.

            3. “This country has never been diminished so fast so unavoidably.”

              There’s a gross lack of perspective.

              1. I suppose there’s always the opportunity for Trump to go to war to get rid of invisible WMDs.

            4. Trump is going to have more real economic growth in 4 years than your hero Block Insane Yomomma had in 8.

              Choke on it, dickface!

              1. So we’re agreed that this is Trump’s economy and only Trump’s economy?

                See you in a bit.

            5. The country’s demographic makeup has also quickly diminished into being more and more made up of those people from third world sewer cultures you seem to be implying are somehow superior to the “fat, beer-chugging morons who voted for Blumpf.” I bet there’s no connection to demography and decline here, though, and that I’m just an easily-dismissed racist if I point this stuff out.

        2. Those cultures that believe the state should be daddy.

          1. So you’re talking about residents of Southern red states who are net moochers from the federal piggy bank?

            1. There are bigger moochers, for example the NYC Banksters who get direct access to trillions in low or 0 interest loans due to their “too big to fail” status. That money does not even get to the piggy bank, its direct from the printing press.

        3. “Whose culture is inferior to that of the fat beer-chugging morons who voted for Trump?”
          Whose culture is superior to shitbag lefties like you.

          1. I just don’t understand why tobacco chawing cousinfucking hillbillies can’t just keep to themselves instead of getting uppity and insisting on governing the rest of us with their hysterically bad ideas they got from listening to their cousin whisper unhinged racist gripes to them in the afterglow.

            1. A D- trolling effort.

              As usual.

            2. Tony|6.29.18 @ 12:05PM|#
              “I just don’t understand…”

              That’s because you’re a fucking ignoramus.

            3. Well, it could be blow-back from “venti” cappuccino drinking, subway-riding, city slickers who just can’t keep to themselves instead of getting all high and mighty and insisting on governing the rest of us with their hysterically bad ideas they got from listening to some ill-informed pothead musician who thinks food comes from the supermarket.

              If you’re going to insist on a strong federal government, don’t be surprised when, when it lands in the hands of those you approve of oppressing, it is used to “oppress” you in stead.

              1. State and local governments do most of the oppressing. I’d think you’d realize that. At any rate, you guys don’t want any fewer impositions. More, I’d argue. You just slap a bumper sticker on them that says “freedom,” which is hardly impressive.

                1. Me. No. I want more freedom. However my neighbors are as bad as Democrats in their desire to impose regulations on everyone else.
                  Or, perhaps I should say those you are defending tend to be as bad as Republicans in their desire to impose regulations on everyone else.
                  They just want different regulations, on everyone.

                  I have not considered the issue of state oppression lately. It might still be true that the body of state law is deeper, wider, and more oppressive than is federal law, but with the homogeneity of many state laws, I don’t see it. Further, with the advent of mandatory state laws, such as the old 55MPH law, (highway dollars were withheld from those states that didn’t reduce their speed limits to 55 back in the 70’s,) the line between federal law and state law gets blurrier.

                2. Tony|6.29.18 @ 6:51PM|#
                  “State and local governments do most of the oppressing”

                  How much cred should be given to a fucking ignoramus who makes this claim?

                  1. Hold on. It might be true. There are certain states, such as California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois and Connecticut, just to name a few, I’d not want to live in because of their infamous regulatory burden. Other areas I do not live, and do not want to, include Seattle, Denver, and well, most large cities.
                    It’s entirely possible that where he lives the body of local law far outweighs federal law. It might even be the same where I live, but the law sits outside the boundaries of what I want to do.
                    I consider seat belt laws oppressive, but I would wear mine anyway, as I want to live. Still suicide by willful negligence shouldn’t be a punishable offense (short of the Pearly Gates).

                    There is a well established practice of using the carrot and stick approach to make state and local legislatures lass “local” laws that satisfy federal mandates.
                    Off the top of my head, and reinforced by Google, there was the 55MPH law, the 21 to drink law, and a whole stack of education mandates, including the infamous “no child left behind” policy.

            4. I just don’t understand why tobacco chawing cousinfucking hillbillies can’t just keep to themselves

              We’d love to.

              But useless dipshits like you WON’T ALLOW THAT.

            5. Unlike you and your totalitarian ilk, the hillbillies only want to run themselves

        4. “Whose culture is inferior to that of the fat beer-chugging morons who voted for Trump?”

          The vapid raving faggots like you that turned CA into the socialist shithole we all hate. For starters. Dirty smelly hippie pieces of shit are certainly on that list. Plus hipsters. Cant forget about those assholes.

    2. Import Mexico, become Mexico

      That’s why the US became Italy when the Italians moved here, Ireland when the Irish moved here, Germany when the Germans moved here, China when the Chinese moved here…

      1. I guess you never noticed most cities had little Italy, Chinatown, deutschtown, etc…

        1. little being the key word

        2. Yep. And the whole US has become a no-go zone for us WASPs.

  4. “Trump’s Incendiary Trade Rhetoric Won’t Help Mexico’s Political Mess”

    There’s a reason we should care? Only Mexicans can fix Mexico’s political mess. And it looks like they’re on track to elect a President who advocates outright invasion of the US.

    Maybe they’d be more likely to fix their own problems if we took away their escape valve? If the people who didn’t like what Mexico is becoming had to stay there?

    1. Well, that isn’t strictly true. WE could fix Mexico’s political mess, at least closer to fixed since the beginning of recorded history. We could invade and conquer. The Drug Gangs would be a major problem, IF we treated them as criminals. If we treated them as insurgents, we could wipe them out to background annoyance levels fairly quickly. If we could summon the guts to govern Mexico the way the Victorian British administered most of their colonies, Mexico would have its first decent governance since before the Aztecs.

      It’s a real pity that we won’t.

      It really doesn’t take too many decades of rampant Kleptocracy, broad based corruption, inter-tribal genocide, famine as a tool of statecraft, and general warlordism to make old fashioned Colonial Paternalism look awfully goddamned good.

      But we lack the temperament.

      1. I dunno. We didn’t do so well with California.

      2. We have not been able to fix Puerto Rico’s mess in over a hundred years. Why do you think we would do better in Mexico?

    2. Now do California

    3. The Mexican election is proof we need that wall more than ever.

  5. some people fear Obrador is “the Mexican Hugo Ch?vez

    So, he’s going to be the next hero of the left?

  6. “as he praises a guy who runs the world’s largest concentration camp (North Korea’s Kim Jong Un).”

    So that would make Kim Jong Un Colonel Klink?

    1. Stalag 13 was not a concentration camp. It was a POW camp, and entirely different proposition.

      1. 😛

  7. With all their beady little eyes
    And flappin’ heads so full of lies

    Blame Canada, blame Canada
    We need to form a full assault
    It’s Canada’s fault

    1. You are wrong, it’s San Andrea’s fault.

    2. Sorrey aboot that, eh.

    3. Actually Tony, it’s all YOUR fault. Better go drink that Drano as an act of contrition for being such a fucking traitor.

  8. When it comes to films about a trumped up war with Canada, I’ll go with South Park

  9. Sure, it’s hard to grasp the president’s rude remarks toward Canada as he praises a guy who runs the world’s largest concentration camp (North Korea’s Kim Jong Un).

    Hell, I’ll talk shit to a fifth grader, I ain’t dumb enough to start talking shit to Mike Tyson. Not that hard to figure out.

    1. Hey, Mike, how ya doin’? I’m doin’ great, except last night, I took this giant dook, just completely the wrong combination of watery and solid. I mean, it slid out easy, but my cheeks were PAINTED, man! I used up almost a whole roll of TP on that one! How about you, how you been shitting?

    2. Are you saying that Kim Jong Un is Mike Tyson? That the President of the United States is scared of the dictator of a poor, tiny country?

      Trump said that they had agreed on return of 200 soldiers’ remains. Trump announced to adoring crowds that they were already returned. Pompeo told Congress that no returns have been made and he doesn’t know when it could happen.

      Work is continuing at a fast pace on the Yongbyon nuclear reactor, possibly accelerating.

      What exactly did the master negotiator get in his summit?

      1. I see more bullshit and no cites at all.

        1. Tell me what’s wrong. It’s even reported on Fox News.

          http://bfy.tw/IpVg

          Well, looks like Fox hasn’t reported on Pompeo’s statement, But here’s a video.

          1. What’s wrong?
            You make all these claims and then offer a snarky link to google?
            You don’t have any brains, is what’s wrong.
            Cite or STFU

            1. I gave you a fucking video of Pompeo.

              I walked you through the process of looking things up. It’s not my fault that you’re ignorant of what’s going on. I gave you the google search, and ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CLICK THE FIRST FUCKING LINK. Give a man an article, he’ll ignore one article. Teach a man to google, and he’ll ignore all the articles.

              What’s not right in my post?

              1. As I understand it, Google gives you what it THINKS you’re looking for, based on search history and geography. So, what YOU have come up at the top of your search list is likely not the same as what Sevo gets at the top of HIS.

                1. I find it fairly certain that the search specified would have the same top hit. There are only a couple results in the search that were recent. It was pretty specific.

                  Still waiting to hear what his problem was.

                  1. Happy Chandler|6.29.18 @ 5:48PM|#
                    “Still waiting to hear what his problem was.”

                    That’s easy: You’re a fucking ignoramus. See how easy that is?

  10. “The latter point is obvious, given the nationwide turmoil that ensued after the federal government stepped up family separations for illegal border crossers. It remains to be seen whether the executive order Trump signed actually stops this cruelty, but it would be nice if more Americans realized that the politics of grievance and anger here could make a challenging situation in Mexico worse.”

    You mean those illegal border crossers that Mexico should have taken in itself instead of trying to pawn them off on the United States?

    Mexico has no legitimate grievance in the matter. If they don’t like Guatemalans and other Central or South American asylum seekers being separated from each other then they should have granted them asylum in Mexico and allowed them to stay together there.

    1. How does the United States acting like a grown-up and civilized society by taking in desperate refugees make your life worse off in any way?

      1. Refugees. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

      2. Because they steal jobs, go on welfare, have anchor babies, vote Democrat, rape, murder, steal, smuggle drugs, have anchor babies, steal jobs, and vote Democrat. Oh, and they go on welfare too.

        1. You need to try harder. I read the comment before seeing who posted there, and I couldn’t tell it was sarcasm.

        2. Psh! No they’re not. They’re coming to save us from our evil capitalist ways and show us the path to Libertopia via Communism and “Right Thought.”

          They coming bearing wonderful voting records from socialist and communist utopias! We’ll be lucky to have them. I’m just glad we’ve started introducing high minimum wages to offset the effects of labor costs. I’m sure our wonderful welfare programs and public schools will be excellent places for them and their children to learn what a bright future we have here in the good ol US of A where white people, guns and capitalism are evil.

          1. Yeah, after centuries of this culture being built almost entirely by immigrants, we finally found the perfect place to stop, and it’s now.

            1. There have been numerous bans on immigration in the past. At least in the past they were honest about their racism. Just like the creators of minimum wage and Planned Parenthood had no qualms in announcing their ill intent towards minorities.

            2. Silly faggot, we bring in over a million legal immigrant without all these criminal illegals sneaking in. So go peddle your bullshit elsewhere. Or go back top what you really want to do: fuck young boys in the ass.

              Right chickenhawk?

          2. Why does everyone assume that immigrants want to reshape the US into where they came from? It never occurs to conservatives that perhaps these people are fleeing socialism/communism and actually like capitalism and freedom.

            1. Ask the people in other states what effect that people moving in from California has had on them.

              They leave California to escape the effects of stupid leftist policies and then agitate to recreate them wherever they move to.

              1. Oh, I know. California is indeed a cancer on the dying corpse of liberty. But that isn’t because of people south of the border. It’s because of white, homegrown commies.

                1. “Oh, I know. California is indeed a cancer on the dying corpse of liberty. But that isn’t because of people south of the border. It’s because of white, homegrown commies.”

                  So… you’ve never been to California.

                  1. So… you don’t know anything about the history of the state, of how hippies from across the country went there in the 60s and 70s, turned the state into a socialist paradise, all without any help from people from south of the border.

              2. California’s socialism has us at the eighth ranked in per capita GDP. It seems the way to be top third in GDP is to be a blue state or have oil.

                We’d be higher without the inland Republicans.

                1. Happy Chandler|6.29.18 @ 7:28PM|#
                  “California’s socialism has us at the eighth ranked in per capita GDP. It seems the way to be top third in GDP is to be a blue state or have oil.”

                  Oh, oh, LOOK! Happy horseshit has learned to cite when the cite is totally irrelevant to the issue.

                2. …well, until you have to pay for your policies. Then you’re so bankrupt Chicago looks at you and shakes its head sadly.

                  Have fun with the inevitable collapse of CalPERS.

                3. Happy, cut the bullshit (although that would leave you with nothing). The only reason CA is anything is because of the great weather, long coast that makes it good for shipping, and natural resources. You treasonous progtards just drag it down.

                  If you progtards were all thrown in landfills tomorrow (mmm…….beautiful image) the state would be vastly better off.

      3. Because they use social services and while we can probably handle current levels, what we can’t handle is “a come one, come all” when 10s of millions start streamingin , particularly when Obrador destroys the Mexican economy and turns it into the next Venezuela; then the flood gates will really open.

    2. They can’t grant asylum if the claim isn’t made. Are you saying that they have refused asylum claims?
      These are people making decisions, not being shuttled by governments.

      1. Asylum seekers are supposed to claim asylum in the first country that they come to. They don’t get to “shop” for it.
        And yes the Mexican government is making the decision to let them travel all the way through their country to get to the United States instead of deporting them back south where they came from or granting them asylum – one or the other. Instead Mexico allows caravans of people to cross their own border and travel all the way up to the U.S. Border and then act outraged about it if the U.S. doesn’t keep their families together. The families WERE together before they got to the United States. And there was a way for them to remain that way – don’t enter the United States.

        The United States has no obligation to take them.

        1. The US signed and ratified the protocol on refugees. By the Constitution, and federal law, we have the obligation to accept refugees.

          Which countries they have passed through does not affect our legal obligation.

          Other country’s border enforcement priorities don’t affect our legal obligation.

          1. Happy Chandler|6.29.18 @ 1:41PM|#
            “The US signed and ratified the protocol on refugees. By the Constitution, and federal law, we have the obligation to accept refugees.
            Which countries they have passed through does not affect our legal obligation.
            Other country’s border enforcement priorities don’t affect our legal obligation.”
            And happy hoseshit peddler again slings bullshit with not support whatsoever!
            How……….
            common.
            Stuff it up your ass until you learn to support your claims, and that is unlikely.

          2. Which protocol says they get asylum in the first country they hit. Even if we decided they qualified for asylum, per that protocol we could just dump them back into Mexico to ask for it there.

          3. The US signed and ratified the protocol on refugees. By the Constitution, and federal law, we have the obligation to accept refugees.

            Yup.

            And if a Guatemalan wants to request asylum, they have to go to our EMBASSY in Guatemala.

            If they come to our BORDER, then they bypassed ANOTHER signatory, Mexico, to do so. And, per the protocol, you cannot shop for refugee status, their request should be denied immediately.

          4. “The US signed and ratified the protocol on refugees. By the Constitution, and federal law, we have the obligation to accept refugees.

            Which countries they have passed through does not affect our legal obligation.

            Other country’s border enforcement priorities don’t affect our legal obligation.”

            Yeah moron, actually it does. You probably think if you shout down other people who disagree when you’re wrong that you will get your way.

            You won’t. Sitting down and shutting up is the best thing for you Happy.

            1. Leftists lie.
              They throw shit at the wall hoping it sticks.

    1. Truer words have never been spoken.

  11. If Canadians buy shoes in the U.S. and “smuggle” them back to Canada by wearing them, it’s Canadian duties they would be avoiding, not those levied by the U.S. So what exactly would Trump’s complaint be?

    1. He never thinks these thing through. Trump is a puppet for Putin and crony capitalists and his ego.

  12. Trump’s Incendiary Trade Rhetoric Won’t Help Mexico’s Political Mess

    Luckily, helping Mexico’s political mess isn’t actually a job function of the US presidency.

    The president’s trade policy makes as much sense [to me] as [having sex with Bill Clinton].

    FTFY.

  13. While Mexico is a shambles right now, when it elects it’s next commie leader it is headed towards Venezuela territory and full on socialism, just about guaranteed. Once he starts building up the military you can expect the Maduro of Mexico ruining the country and millions of Mexicans streaming in to the USA to escape the 1000% inflation rate of the peso and starvation at the hands of a communist dictator Obrador.

    1. Better get that wall built now.

      1. Their new president is the guy who is going to get the wall built
        What a gift to America!

        He’ll mouth off again and again, and public support for the wall and America First immigration reform will climb to 70%.

        Trumpslide2020 coming!

    2. Solution: Prevent them from coming and force them to Pinochet this guy.

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