Trump Calls Oprah 'Insecure', Former Trump Aide to Turn State's Evidence, Time #MeToo 'Silence Breaker' Accused of Workplace Sexual Misconduct: A.M. Links

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  President Trump called Oprah Winfrey "very insecure" after she conducted a 60 Minutes group interview about the Trump presidency, and said he hoped she would run so that he could "expose" her too.

• Former Trump aide Richard Gates is expected to plead guilty and agree to testify against Paul Manafort.
• A Democratic assemblywoman in California spotlighted in Time's #MeToo Person of the Year feature has been accused of sexual misconduct in her office.
• Russia condemned American backing of Kurdish forces in Syria, saying the U.S. was "playing with fire."
• More corruption arrests were made in Israel of members of Benjamin Netanyahu's inner circle.
• Some political observers say Justin Trudeau was "snubbed" by India Prime Minister Narendra Modi after the Canadian prime minister was greeted by a junior agricultural minister upon his arrival.

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

Links? On Trump Day? Sad.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

Woke you up, did it? Sad.

[loveconstitution1789]

Trump = America is getting great again

There's your link.

[Fist of Etiquette]

President Trump called Oprah Winfrey "very insecure"...

So his perfect running mate?

[Rhywun]

Oh no he di'int. Millions of housewives are going to burn their husbands' MAGA hats over this.

[Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid]

They don't care that much about her or O tv would be a money maker.

[Domestic Dissident]

Fun fact: an 'O' is the shape a woman's mouth takes when she's getting ready to suck your cock.

[Citizen X - #6]

February 19, 2018, 11:17 AM: the moment we all learned for sure that Simple Mikey's only sexual experience is with a blow-up doll.

[Jerryskids]

He didn't call her little or lying or loser so that's practically the same as praising her.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Former Trump aide Richard Gates is expected to plead guilty and agree to testify against Paul Manafort.

No honor among colluders.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

Gates' change of heart is likely due to the fact that he does not have the money needed for a "high-powered legal defense" and the fact that prosecutors are expected to significantly cut down his sentence if he cooperates.

Pretty much how Mueller got Flynn.

[Citizen X - #6]

Pretty much how every prosecutor gets anybody.

[Jerryskids]

Here's an interesting article on that concerning a current Fifth Circuit case.

As the Supreme Court famously wrote only a few years ago (quoting a renowned law review article): plea bargaining "is not some adjunct to the criminal justice system; it is the criminal justice system." If prosecutors have no constitutional disclosure obligations in these cases, it would be difficult to say they have any meaningful obligations at all.

The government is arguing that obligating them to disclose exculpatory evidence during plea bargain negotiations would be an onerous task crippling the expeditious processing of cases while at the same time arguing that Brady disclosure is unnecessary because the issue so rarely comes into play. Which to a normal, non-lawyer-type person would seem to be contradictory positions.

[Jerryskids]

Of course, people who have no idea how the criminal justice system actually works don't believe that an innocent person would agree to accept a plea bargain. But if it's some bullshit charge and you're offered a time served deal in exchange for a guilty plea versus entering a not guilty plea and then sitting in jail for the better part of a year awaiting trial because bail has been set high enough that you can't make it, what are you going to do? Especially if the bullshit charge comes down to your word against a lying-ass cop and you know you ain't winning that case anyway.

[loveconstitution1789]

Yup. Its similar to people being surprised when innocent people confess to crimes they didn't commit.

The system as it currently stands can crush defendant's will to stand up for themselves.

The Founders knew this and wanted to protect the positions accused people were in compared to the power of the state.

[damikesc]

With the way prosecutors behave, we should fully permit the people being questioned to lie. If prosecutors and investigators are free to lie without penalty, why should the accused have lesser rights?

[Citizen X - #6]

Some political observers say Justin Trudeau was "snubbed" by India Prime Minister Narendra Modi after the Canadian prime minister was greeted by a junior agricultural minister upon his arrival.

Yeah, a junior agricultural minister is way higher than Canada rates.

[loveconstitution1789]

Hello.

[MarkLastname]

All those years of Canadian PMs being greeted by the embassy janitor didn't tip them off to their international status?

[Fist of Etiquette]

A Democratic assemblywoman in California spotlighted in Time's #MeToo Person of the Year feature has been accused of sexual misconduct in her office.

I don't like her so I assume it's true.

[bevis the lumberjack]

Everybody making a big deal about a simple misunderstanding. She misinterpreted the meaning of #MeToo. Could have happened to any one of us..........

[MarkLastname]

Haha

[JoeBlow123]

Haha she asked her staff to play spin the bottle when she was probably really trashed and this is sexual misconduct? People are so ridiculous.

How about just act like anyone else would and just uncomfortably sit around while the one person with social graces changes the subject instead of complain about it to the press?

"Last week, prior to filing his complaint, Kernick and three other ex-staffers issued an open letter to Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon charging that Garcia, a powerful Democratic lawmaker who until recently headed the legislative Women's Caucus, presided over a "toxic" workplace where activities included regular heavy drinking with staffers, sexually charged meetings and raunchy conversations highlighting intimate details of her sex life."

Uhh... this lady sounds fantastic. I would 100% work for her just based off this alone.

[JoeBlow123]

"The industry lobbyist said he was surprised last year when, during a late-morning policy meeting in Garcia's Capitol office, the assemblywoman poured beer from a kegerator ? a refrigerator with a beer tap on top ? located in her office."

She offered the brew in red Solo cups to the group of lobbyists, even though it was "sometime between 11 a.m. and noon ... a little early,'' the lobbyist said."

LOLOLOL this woman is a beast!

[JuanQPublic]

The "spin the bottle" story is only a late detail. Earlier last week, she had groping accusations leveled at her, and is being investigated.

[Libertarian]

What the hell kind of lobbyist thinks 11:00 is "a little early"????? Is he a lobbyist for the Bible Sellers of America?

[BestUsedCarSales]

Particularly if you've been awake for days like she was.

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

It's more important to virtue signal against a virtue signaler who was abusing the virtue signaling process for personal gain, thus diluting its virtue for true virtue signaling emergencies.

Virtually. Or literally. I'm not too sure now.

[Rhywun]

The Left opened this can of worms. Turnabout is fair play.

[loveconstitution1789]

There won't be many of them left after all the dust settles, so it's worth the price of popcorn.

[damikesc]

Haha she asked her staff to play spin the bottle when she was probably really trashed and this is sexual misconduct? People are so ridiculous.

It is thoroughly absurd...but the only way to really highlight it is to force the loudest voices to live by their own professed edicts.

They've already killed the entire thing from moving to legitimate misbehavior to "This date didn't go great". I've already stopped caring.

[CatoTheChipper]

Somebody did not RTFA. If JoeBlow123 had RTFA, he'd have seen her picture.

[MarkLastname]

It's kind of like watching the head of a snake eat it's own tail.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Russia condemned American backing of Kurdish forces in Syria...

Well, its either Kurds or no fly zones. Take your pick.

[Citizen X - #6]

Kurds? No whey.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Sigh.

[Citizen X - #6]

Look, i haven't had much coffee yet this morning.

[loveconstitution1789]

You can do butter than that.

[Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid]

There's a fly in your curds?

[Fist of Etiquette]

...saying the U.S. was "playing with fire."

BETTER THAN PLAYING WITH SARIN GAS.

[Citizen X - #6]

When Assad reads this he's gonna be so mad.

[Fist of Etiquette]

More corruption arrests were made in Israel of members of Benjamin Netanyahu's inner circle.

Anti-Semites.

[loveconstitution1789]

More corruption arrests were made in Israel of members of Benjamin Netanyahu's inner circle of dentists.

Anti-Dentites.

[Red Tony]

Next you'll be saying they should have their own schools!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Some political observers say Justin Trudeau was "snubbed" by India Prime Minister Narendra Modi after the Canadian prime minister was greeted by a junior agricultural minister upon his arrival.

British colonials have to stick together.

[This Machine Chips Fascists]

Indeed. But what could have prevented India from being one of the Six(5+1)Eyes? They seem qualified. I'm guessing religion.

[DRM]

But what could have prevented India from being one of the Six(5+1)Eyes?

Um, the fact that India explicitly chose to be a "non-aligned" Soviet stooge during the Cold War, when the UKUSA agreement was made?

[Rufus The Monocled]

At what time do you guys have to kneel before Trump?

[Ed]

I generally do it privately when I first get up at a small makeshift shrine I put together

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

PERIOD.

You forgot the PERIOD.

Misogynist.

[Knutsack]

I hope you're facing D.C. when you do that.

[BestUsedCarSales]

With Trump you face Florida.

[loveconstitution1789]

He is one of those non-presidential presidents.

Floridians do have some experience draining swamps.

[buybuydandavis]

Five times a day

We'll be taking God Emperor worship to the streets soon.

[This Machine Chips Fascists]

Any ol' time we want to because we're FREE BEEYATCH! USA! USA!

[Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid]

*scratches out ZOD on affirmation mat*

[loveconstitution1789]

When I need to adjust his orthopedic shoes?

[MarkLastname]

Loveconstitution plans on spending the whole day on his knees.

But what he does in truckstop bathrooms is his business I guess.

[loveconstitution1789]

I do not want anyone to go with maladjusted orthopedic shoes.

Oh, was this a dick sucking thing?

I am into eating pussy but what ever floats your boat.

I can get Tony and Butt's attention down thread because they still have Obama's wo-manhood in their mouths.

[JoeBlow123]

LOL this exchange is ridiculous.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

"Former Trump aide Richard Gates is expected to plead guilty and agree to testify against Paul Manafort."

Still hot on the trail of COL-LUUUUUUUSION I see.

[Libertarian]

"For his part, Trump said he knows Winfrey very well. "I like Oprah," he said. "... You know, I did one of her last shows. She had Donald Trump ? this was before politics ? her last week, and she had Donald Trump and my family. It was very nice."

Twenty years ago, he also said she'd make a good running mate for him. Good old Donny -- you can always count on him doing a 180.

[Scarecrow Repair & Chippering]

A salesman at a prior company gave a rousing speech where he promised to turn things around 360 degrees.

[Rockabilly]

The American Bard, Walt Whitman, said it well..

in his grat poem...

---- Song of Myself

51

The past and present wilt?I have fill'd them, emptied them,
And proceed to fill my next fold of the future.

Listener up there! what have you to confide to me?
Look in my face while I snuff the sidle of evening,
(Talk honestly, no one else hears you, and I stay only a minute longer.)

Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)

I concentrate toward them that are nigh, I wait on the door-slab.

Who has done his day's work? who will soonest be through with his supper?
Who wishes to walk with me?

Will you speak before I am gone? will you prove already too late?

[This Machine Chips Fascists]

Putin fed Trump the idea of the "mental crazy Ivan". "In glorious Russia, 2+2=5 when I say so. Can be same for you my friend. Public are sheep to be led. Now, about those sanctions..."

[loveconstitution1789]

In Mother Russia, sheep sanction YOU.

[buybuydandavis]

The delicate terms reached by the opposing lawyers, he said, will not be specified in writing: Gates "understands that the government may move to reduce his sentence if he substantially cooperates, but it won't be spelled out.''

"Say what we want, or we will crush you! But we won't write it down, because that might look bad."

Plea deals in exchange for testimony are *transparently* bribery.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Former Trump aide Richard Gates is expected to plead guilty and agree to testify against Paul Manafort.

THEY AIN'T NO COLLUSION TO SEE HERE, BOYS!

[Rockabilly]

Only BOYS?

[Brian]

They call their theory "collusion" because "conspiracy" is too on the nose.

[Rockabilly]

From what I can gather from the internet sites of Daily Kos and Huffington Post , Putin has something on Trump and is blackmailing him.

Putin hired some nerds to make bots and troll the internets with fake news with the idea of electing Trump

Trump won and is now controlled by Putin who is in really the president.

This is like some JG Ballard or PK Dick novel.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Why did the Con Man refuse to implement the new sanctions against Russia that THIS Congress voted 500+ to 5 in favor of?

[Sevo]

"Why did the Con Man refuse to implement the new sanctions against Russia that THIS Congress voted 500+ to 5 in favor of?"

Yeah, how about that? And what about Hitler and Nixon on Paraguay in '56!?!?!
Do I have to connect the dots for you?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Yeah, how about that? And what about Hitler and Nixon on Paraguay in '56!?!?!
Do I have to connect the dots for you?

There are only a couple of dots in that empty bird-cage brain of yours.

[Brian]

Probably because everything that Trump haters want to believe automatically becomes true.

[Tony]

You do know that most of us weren't born yesterday and were watching as you morons nitpicked everything Obama did to the point of insanity.

[Brian]

But Bush!

[Tony]

Calling out wars based on lies and torture wasn't nitpicking.

[MarkLastname]

But when Obama did it, it was nitpicking?

You can't seem to go two posts without basically saying "I'm a flaming hypocrite" in bold red letters.

[Sevo]

"You do know that most of us weren't born yesterday and were watching as you morons nitpicked everything Obama did to the point of insanity."

Tony:
Hey, look over there! Ignore that idiotic statement inj front of you and look THERE!
Thanks, Tony, we appreciate you proving how stupid a human can be at least once a day.

[Brian]

He would have a point... if the only complaint anyone had about Obama was birther conspiracy theory.

Yes, any people who's only problem with Obama was that he was born in Kenya, who now turn around and give Trump the benefit of the doubt, are total hypocrites.

I'll let any know when I see them.

[Palin's Buttplug]

SHIT! WE CAN"T HAVE NO UPPITY NIGGER RUNNING THINGS IN THIS COUNTRY!

[Brian]

WE CAN'T HAVE UPPITY * fill in blank * AS PRESIDENT! * insert foreign conspiracy theory here *

Gee, never heard that one before.

Speaking of hypocrites, I seem to have some vague recollections of a wild conspiracy theory, only embraced by desperate morons and tin foil wearing hat types...

Wait... it'll come to me.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I seem to have some vague recollections of a wild conspiracy theory

Not from me you don't.

[Brian]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

[Rhywun]

SHIT! WE CAN"T HAVE NO UPPITY NIGGER RUNNING THINGS IN THIS COUNTRY!

Remember who the racist is in this discussion.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Remember who the racist is in this discussion.

I'm mocking illiterate deplorables, you moron.

[Brian]

Sorry, but you don't earn N-word privileges just for considering yourself tolerant.

The SJW squad has been notified.

[Sevo]

"I'm mocking illiterate deplorables, you moron"

Actually, you're making an ass of yourself. Again.

[loveconstitution1789]

Butt, YOU are a racist illiterate deplorable moron.

[loveconstitution1789]

I thought Trump was a white guy running this country but I won't stop your lefty nonsense trying to use hysteria to get a president out of office.

[I am the 0.000000013%]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Washington Post hasn't updated their tag line to "Democracy dies in lightness". It's been more than a year...

[Rebel Scum]

Why did the Con Man refuse to implement the new sanctions against Russia that THIS Congress voted 500+ to 5 in favor of?

Cooperation in the middle east?

[loveconstitution1789]

Because Obama the Con Man thinks you can do half-ass sanctions and control a country like Russia with a region in its sphere of influence.

Sanctions are an act of war BTW. You would know that if you were a Libertarian.

[Stormy Dragon]

The "something" Putin has on Trump is that he spent most of the 90s laundering money for the Russian mob.

[Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid]

AFTER A YEAR AND THIS IS ALL YOU GOT.
*collects even more tears*
That about does it for my 10 year supply. If/when you lunatics to the left of Stalin start winning/corrupting again I'll still have plenty to sell.

[damikesc]

Manafort's issue have, literally, nothing to do with Trump.

MEANWHILE, he did work for the lobbying firm of the OTHER campaign's manager, who managed that other campaign for the ENTIRE election and not for a couple of months.

Seems odd that when he and Podesta did the exact same thing, only one is being punished.

[Palin's Buttplug]

You don't know what Manafort is concealing. Neither do I. But he ran The Dotard's campaign, you imbecile.

[Sevo]

"The Dotard's"
You and Mikey make a great pair, turd. You could put your show on the road and have first-graders howling with laughter!

[CatoTheChipper]

He ran the campaign for about two and a half months, buttplug.

Then Trump fired him because he had not been forthright about his Russian ties.

But, no two ways about it, buttplug: Manafort was known to be scummy even for a political consultant -- in the same scumminess league as the Podesta brothers -- and Trump made a huge error in replacing Lewandowski with Manafort.

BTW, I love the way you refer to Trump as "The Dotard". That's a really clever way to refer to the guy who defeated the awesomely intelligent, well-connected, and well-funded Democratic candidate who like a 9:1 favorite in the race. I suppose that means you really think that the Boris and Natasha must have hacked the election.

[Palin's Buttplug]

We do know that Trump has a history of laundering money for the Russian mob and Manafort himself ran large sums of money through his Cyprus bank account that evades Obama sanctions placed against Russia.

Let Mueller handle the rest.

[loveconstitution1789]

Is this fantasy that you have not even going to factor in the Clinton history of laundering money for the Russian mob and selling US leverage away for political gain?

[loveconstitution1789]

I wonder who the special counsel will be who indicts Hillary Clinton?

[Tony]

Were you born dumb or did you eat a lot of paint as a child?

[loveconstitution1789]

Yeah Butt.

Were you born dumb or did you eat a lot of paint as a child?

[loveconstitution1789]

Cato, the left has all those dilemmas.

How does a 'Dotard' beat Queen Hillary if she is so great?

If Trump is such a tyrant why is he rolling back tyrannical things government does?

If Trump is so stupid how can be a mastermind behind a massive conspiracy to do what Putin wants.

If Trump is doing what Putin wants how can it be that Putin is still trying to undermine Trump and help Hillary?

[damikesc]

You don't know what Manafort is concealing.

Based on Mueller's indictment...not much.

But he ran The Dotard's campaign, you imbecile.

As I said, "for a few months". He replaced Lewandowski and was replaced by Conway. He ran it briefly, only to get through the convention fight they assumed would occur.

[Ken Shultz]

Justin Trudeau is both a bully and a sissy.

"The unidentified woman complimented him for recognizing the "ability and power that women actually possess."

Then she said, "Maternal love is the love that's going to change the future of mankind."

The prime minister interrupted her: "We like to say 'peoplekind,' not necessarily 'mankind.' It's more inclusive."

----New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/ world/canada/justin-trudeau-peoplekind.html

[Vernon Depner]

Justin Trudeau is both a bully and a sissy.

That's almost always the case. Bullies bully because they fear being outed as sissies.

[Rockabilly]

According to Comrade Trudeau, any word that has gender identity must be made more inclusive.

Manager would become personager

History would become personory

The name Johnson would become Johnperson -but that's a tricky one since John is usually. a man's name. Would a committee have to decide what's correct?

[Citizen X - #6]

Johnorjeanperson

[Rhywun]

Comrade Trudeau needs to crack open a dictionary and learn a little about etymology.

[Jerryskids]

Johnson would become Johnoffspring, not Johnperson you misogynist.

[Rhywun]

"John" is problematic too.

[Rhywun]

Or, what Cato said.

[CatoTheChipper]

"Person" is sexist, you patriarchal pig.

Names like Johnson just have to be eliminated -- both because of the "John" and the "son". Maybe something like Johnandmaryoffspring would be okay.

[Ecoli]

Could just him Jackoff.

[Texasmotiv]

The only words that are allowed to remain gendered are "woke" phrases with a connotation like:

-Mansplaining
-Manspreading
-Manterrupting
-Bropropriation

[Rhywun]

They're hand-waving this away because the lady "thanked him" for correcting her. Um... just because they're both goodthinkers doesn't make it any better.

[This Machine Chips Fascists]

Didn't he claim it was a bad joke?

[Rockabilly]

Maybe but he interrupted her with his mansplaining,

[chipper me timbers]

I think you mean personsplaining

[CatoTheChipper]

"Person" is sexist, you chauvinist pig.

[MarkLastname]

Perdaughtersplaining

[damikesc]

They're hand-waving this away because the lady "thanked him" for correcting her. Um... just because they're both goodthinkers doesn't make it any better.

How was it not "mansplaining"?

Oh, Justin Trudeau. I get it now...

[Rhywun]

It's not mansplaining if they're both in on the "joke".

[loveconstitution1789]

Jokesplaining?

[damikesc]

It also cannot be "mansplaining" unless a man is involved...

[damikesc]

It also cannot be "mansplaining" unless a man is involved...

[Rebel Scum]

bully and a sissy.

That fits all proggies.

[Domestic Dissident]

If Trudeau ever visits the U.S., maybe we'll be really nice and let him touch the Stanley Cup.

[Libertarian]

Then she said, "Maternal love is the love that's going to change the future of mankind."

I have yet to see a single syllable criticizing her idea that women alone can change the future. As a man who still identifies as the sex on listed on his birth certificate, I found it offensive.

[damikesc]

I am always baffled by this.

It is wrong to assume that men and women might have different views and interests.

But it ALSO vital that we have more women in areas because of their different views.

[loveconstitution1789]

Its not wrong and biologically factual.

I am still waiting for all those women to become trash collectors and plumbers.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

It's a joke, idiots.

[Libertarian]

Perhaps. But the audience didn't laugh. It cheered.

[Tony]

Something that continues to bother me. He speaks French, a language in which every noun has a gender. Is this thing just not happening in those languages? Why isn't it like lu chaise or lx poubelle?

[loveconstitution1789]

The same reason that the ratio works between unicorns and leprechauns.

[I am the 0.000000013%]

Nothing at all sexist about leaving 'Maternal' in the phrase he's correcting.

I think she said exactly what she meant. She probably had no interest in changing the future of womankind.

[Sevo]

TDS, AI division:
"As China marches forward on AI, the White House is silent"
[...]
"We are still waiting on the White House to provide some direction" on how to respond to the competition, said Tim Hwang, who worked on AI policy at Google and is now director of the Ethics and Governance of AI Initiative, a new organization created by LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman and others to fund ethical research in artificial intelligence."
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business
/article/As-China-marches-forward-on
-AI-the-White-House-12622476.php

SOB! How can we possibly work on AI if that poopy-head won't tell us what to do?!?

[Rhywun]

Not to mention the government is certainly doing its own secret research on AI. Sorry you didn't get invited to the party, Tim.

[AlmightyJB]

They're busy mapping Trump's Neurons for Skynet.

[Sevo]

"Sorry you didn't get invited to the party, Tim."

You'll also note that Tim is working on "ethical research in artificial intelligence".
Maybe no one is bothering with him since it looks like a 'studies' class.

[JuanQPublic]

The "metoo" assemblywoman's new accusations (on top of allegations last week of groping) will make an interesting study on many levels.

She should get the same due process that so many others should be getting. But, in a movement that quickly morphed into the larger New Puritanism on the left, undermining itself, the chickens tend to come home to roost.

[AlmightyJB]

She'll get a pass.

[damikesc]

Former Trump aide Richard Gates is expected to plead guilty and agree to testify against Paul Manafort.

Funny, because I suspect we'll see EVERYTHING Mueller has done overturned due to misconduct.

Flynn is already looking to change his plea.

[Tony]

If we wanted the FOX News hot take we'd chug a glass of vodka and turn on the channel for the 5 minutes any normal human can stand it before going insane.

[damikesc]

You're aware the new judge in Flynn's case has been less-than-satisfied with the discovery aspect of the case as Mueller is stonewalling. We know the FBI agents --- who, mind you, disliked Trump very vividly --- said Flynn did not lie in their interview.

That's going to be a bit rough to explain to the judge since that was not turned over to Flynn at the time of his plea...

[Tony]

I'm not seeing commentary on this anywhere outside the rightwing echo chamber, which means it's straw-grasping bullshit until proven otherwise.

There is one big problem with this investigation and the politics surrounding it: people who want Trump and the GOP protected can speak directly to him through the teevee and convince him of anyhting they want.

[loveconstitution1789]

The media has a bit of a history of withholding stories that break narrative.

[Tony]

By "narrative" you mean any truth that doesn't give Republican scrotums a constant tongue bath.

[Palin's Buttplug]

New survey of presidential historians already ranks Trump as dead last:

https://goo.gl/cCQvcH

Trump doesn't get much of a lift from Republican-only vote: Even in their eyes, he's a bottom-five president.

[loveconstitution1789]

Dead last on the list of best presidents? I can live with that.

These are the same "historians" that rank FDR highly. FDR put Americans in concentration camps.

They also love Obama who signed a law passed by other socialist Democrats that forces Americans to buy insurance under threat of death.

Bill Clinton is also listed highly. Only one of two presidents that were impeached by a body of Congress.

[Tony]

You're the guy at the Russian troll factory who shows up for unpaid overtime because you're just that enthusiastic about your job.

"Get a vacation Boris. Is enough, he won!"

[loveconstitution1789]

You gave up this easily?

Gesh Tony. You are really not living up to the New Soviet Man.

[Tony]

Socialism really isn't Russia's bag anymore. Now it's mindless worship of a massively corrupt strongman. You'd do great there.

[loveconstitution1789]

Russia absolutely controls the means of production of many of its companies.

Its not communism like when the USSR ran the show but you still get a monthly stipend from the KGB, I bet.

[loveconstitution1789]

Sorry not KGB. I meant: SVR RF and FSB.

[Mock-star]

"Socialism really isn't Russia's bag anymore. Now it's mindless worship of a massively corrupt strongman."

So theyre still into socialism?

[Red Tony]

Sharrup you mouf!

[Rebel Scum]

Dead last on the list of best presidents? I can live with that.

#Me too. Typically it's the ones that were most destructive to individual liberty and that generally expanded the size and scope of the presidency and federal government that are ranked highest. So the rankings are bunk.

[Rhywun]

LOL I hope that bit of fluff is enough to tide you over for the rest of the day.

[Citizen X - #6]

"Presidential historians" almost invariably rank presidents higher if they do a lot of big, important stuff like fighting wars, expanding or inventing social programs, etc. You'll have to excuse any libertarian who can't take a list seriously that puts FDR and LBJ in the top ten.

[Tony]

Presidents who fight wars and win. Ranks Trump is determined not to join. I hope you're brushing up on your Russian.

[Ecoli]

ISIS would probably agree with you, Tony, if they still existed.

[Palin's Buttplug]

What are they called now, ISIL? Bad hombres? Afghan freedom fighters? Radical Islamists? Suicide bombers?

Don't kid yourself that they are gone. No one could be that naive (maybe some Trumptards are)

[loveconstitution1789]

Butt. Remember when Boosh and Obama spent years trying to control ISIS? Trump has done it in about 13 months.

Of course ISIS is not gone. Booosh, Obama and Hillary are still around, so ISIS will be too.

[Palin's Buttplug]

You're naive. It's like your'e going back to Vegas to win all your lost money back.

[loveconstitution1789]

I have been told that socialism is the future. You can get all your investment back.

Only a moron like you goes to Vegas without getting a comped room with casino cash to play at the tables.

[Don't look at me.]

Tony wants war? WTF?

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony wants to destroy America and what it stands for in any way possible.

[Citizen X - #6]

Tony is fine with any coercive action by the state, no matter how violent, so long as it is instituted by the Right People* for the Right Reasons*. Don't ever mistake him for a principled person.

*people/reasons Tony happens to agree with

[Tony]

Serious people are calling the Russian interference the cyber equivalent of Pearl Harbor.

You'd probably think something similar if the traitorous cunt not doing anything to respond to it had a (D) after his name.

[loveconstitution1789]

Lefties are calling it Pearl harbor because lefties are reactionary dumb dumbs who make up stuff that is not true.

[Brian]

Pearl Harbor?

So much for "serious."

[loveconstitution1789]

These lefty morons would never admit that we are getting Pearl Harbored every day via the internet.

[Rebel Scum]

Serious people are calling the Russian interference the cyber equivalent of Pearl Harbor.

This statement would be amusing if not so incredibly sad. Trolls flinging cyber-shit online is the same as a massive air assault on the US Pacific Fleet? Get a grip, T.

[Brian]

Because 13 Facebook trolls is the cyber equivalent of gutting the US Navy in a surprise attack as a declaration of full-scale, open warfare in the Pacific.

Serious, serious people say such things.

[Tony]

And I suppose the really serious people are saying "We got our illiterate gelatinous rubber stamp for judicial appointments and tax cuts, so we don't care if Russia is trying to weaken America."

[Brian]

If 13 Russian trolls equals Pearl Harbor, then Donald Trump equals Eisenhower.

[damikesc]

Serious people are calling the Russian interference the cyber equivalent of Pearl Harbor.

Given that Obama FUNDED Netanyahu's rival and sent his staffers out there to help that guy lose --- these "serious people" are anything but.

Tony, have you SEEN the "Russian propaganda". If that is all it took to derail Hillary, that is a pretty damning indictment of the hag, ain't it?

[Tony]

It's a damning indictment of stupid Americans.

[MarkLastname]

Haha, I needed a laugh, thanks.

[DRM]

So, if it was the equivalent of Pearl Harbor, why didn't Obama ask for a declaration of war? Why did that traitorous cunt with a (D) after his name not do anything commensurate with a Pearl Harbor level of seriousness? When do we hang him and his whole administration for treason in sitting by while the Russians gave the country to Trump?

[Tony]

Obama certainly didn't do enough. Ask me what one of my top criticisms of Obama is and I'll say that he was way too fucking cautious and concerned with walking the political tightrope. Understandable what with the black thing, but he could have gotten away with a lot more if he showed a little testosterone. Republicans are bullies and you have to treat them as such.

[Citizen X - #6]

I was unaware that LBJ won either the Vietnam War OR the War on Poverty, but leaving that aside, this is a poorly-reasoned comment even by your incredibly low standards.

[Palin's Buttplug]

I think you have some fairly valid criticism but the results wouldn't change much other than moving Coolidge and Jimmy Carter up the list quite a bit.

Remember, Carter was easily the most libertarian POTUS of modern times with his massive deregulation results (Which are real and can be named - unlike the fake ones of the Orange Shitgibbon).

Eisenhower is already top ten, btw.

[Citizen X - #6]

My Top Ten, graded on a steep curve:

1. Coolidge/Cleveland (tie)
2. Jefferson
3-10: [intentionally left blank]

[Palin's Buttplug]

Cleveland? Sure, but it was easy to be a libertarian in the 19th Century. Jefferson was great of course but had an easy time due his early placement.

It is notable you won't give Carter any respect (due to you being a TEAM RED! partisan).

Carter created no social programs, did not raise taxes, started no wars, and was the Deregulation POTUS. He even made public service strikes illegal.

You would deserve a modicum of respect had you placed Carter #3 behind Jefferson.

[loveconstitution1789]

You would like a racist southern Democrat.

Carter was weak in foreign affairs. He made the USA look like pussies and supported various tyrannical regimes, like the Shah of Iran. Carter then let the US hostages languish in the custody of Iranian religious socialists.

Carter also campaigned as an outsider and unlike Trump only made government consist of more TOP MEN. Carter was a method guy. He needed to be doing something and when your president this tends to be making life worse for Americans.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Carter was weak in foreign affairs.

You obviously don't know anything about Libertarianism and the NAP. Just shut the fuck up and go back to Bratfart with your conservative look-alikes.

[loveconstitution1789]

Foreign affairs does not have to include nation building like Boosh and Obama did.

Foreign affairs can also include telling Iran to give our American hostages back or the USA will waste you. Sometimes just being nice to tyrannical regimes gets things done.

It why you don't have the first clue about what you are talking about.

You want Libertarians to be pussies like you rather than standing up for themselves against tyranny of the Nanny-State or tyrannies like Iran.

[Citizen X - #6]

My bad, i didn't realize your dumb little game here was so important to determine my worth as a human being. Next time i'm feeling disrespected, i'll know it was deserved, because a mentally ill person on the internet didn't think i took a pointless presidential ranking exercise seriously enough.

For the record, i think Carter was okay, and when he shuffles off to the great Habitat build in the sky i will pour out a legal craft beer in his memory.

[loveconstitution1789]

And peanuts?

Beer and peanuts....mmmmm.

[Palin's Buttplug]

because a mentally ill person on the internet

Hilarious. You're perturbed because you know I am right about Carter. That's okay.

At least you know what Libertarianism is - unlike that moron 'LoveCons' who prefers a US strongman starting wars and bullying other countries over someone like Carter.

[loveconstitution1789]

Carter invaded a country we did not have troops in - Iran.

What country has Trump ordered the USA to invade that didn't have already have US troops in? Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Yemen?

Butt, you will lose every time. You are bringing a wooden stick to a tank battle.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Shut up, moron. All you do is lie.

(from now on "shut up, moron" will be my only reply to you)

[loveconstitution1789]

Palin's Buttplug|2.19.18 @ 1:23PM|#
Shut up, moron. All you do is lie.
(from now on "shut up, moron" will be my only reply to you)

You really gave up on this one. You cannot even refute what I said.

You seem super upset for snowflake.

[Citizen X - #6]

Shreek, i've been pointing out that you're obviously mentally ill since at least 2009.

[MarkLastname]

Carter is nowhere near the top; he was far better Johnson and Nixon, for whatever that's worth.

[loveconstitution1789]

Nixon is one of the worse just because he was the only president to resign. Besides, he probably would have been impeached anyway.

Johnson and Clinton are bad too because they were actually impeached by Congress. These two presidents were so bad they were subjected to the worse thing another branch could do to them. The only thing worse would have been impeachment in both houses of Congress and removal from office, which has not happened yet.

[Rebel Scum]

1. Coolidge/Cleveland (tie)
2. Jefferson
3-10: [intentionally left blank]

1. Jefferson
2. Madison
3. Coolidge
4. Jackson
5. Van Buren

[loveconstitution1789]

Yes, Carter was a Piece Of Shit (POS).

[Palin's Buttplug]

Shut up, you hyper-partisan moron. You're too stupid to debate anyone here.

[loveconstitution1789]

See above Butt. You will lose every time. You bring sticks to tank battles.

[Red Tony]

...dude, did you just compare yourself to Mussolini?

[loveconstitution1789]

Yeah Buttolini.

Get those trains running on time.

[loveconstitution1789]

Butt: Shut up, moron. All you do is lie.

[Rhywun]

Exercises in ranking Top. Men. are pretty grotesque to begin with. The fact that they're all biased doesn't help.

[Jerryskids]

Or a list that puts WH Harrison at the bottom - WH did nothing beyond catching pneumonia at his inauguration and laying down in bed and dying. "Doing nothing" should be at least a wash between doing good things and doing bad things, a low ranking for doing nothing betrays a bias in favor of doing something, anything. Are all Presidents somehow automatically better than WH simply because they did something - however bad - rather than nothing? Bullshit. Doing nothing, I'd argue, is a better long-term strategy than doing something. I'd also argue that James Madison would agree with me since he deliberately wrote the Constitution in such a way that it made it difficult for the government to do anything, specifically on the grounds that human beings given power are more apt to do bad things than good things and if the price of a hamstrung government is that they lack the power to do good things, the lack of the power to do bad things makes it a good tradeoff.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Agree, with the nitpick that WH Harrison is not at the absolute bottom - The Dotard is.

[MarkLastname]

Explain why mean tweets and cutting taxes are worse than FDr's concentration camps?

[Palin's Buttplug]

Personally, I would put Dumbya at the bottom.

[Sevo]

"Dumbya"

Are you Mikey's sock? Or is he yours?

[Sevo]

And I see you seem to be stumped regarding Mark's question.
Why is that?

[Don't look at me.]

I always frame my options based on polls and surveys. It's so much easier.

[loveconstitution1789]

Your comment had 100% of my support.

[damikesc]

History is a year old?

Sounds like a survey of some rock solid great historians.

[loveconstitution1789]

Inconvenient history for lefties is the eternal problem.

Imagine how many less socialists there would be if they correctly taught in school how the Nazis were socialists. That the socialists of China and Russia killed millions more people than Hitler while receiving Ford trucks from the USA.

[MarkLastname]

I'd say he's definitely below the median, but this is rather absurd. "Presidential historians" give FDR a pass for locking Japanese people in camps and burning crops while the country is starving; Johnson gets a pass for the Vietnam War and starting stagflation, and showing his dick to anyone he could, but omg Trump's twitter account!!!?

[Ecoli]

How would Trump be rated in terms of campaigning for the presidency?

How would Trump be rated in terms of understanding the mindset of the country during the 2016 election cycle?

How would Trump be rated in terms of understanding the electoral college?

He is a very stable genius.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Top Con Man!

[Don't look at me.]

Winning!

[loveconstitution1789]

We all know Obama left office and cannot hurt anyone anymore.

[damikesc]

Obama is top 10 in that listing.

Crap US economy for 8 years.
Sat back while Iran slaughtered protestors.
Killed the whole movement of disarmament dead by turning on Libya after they did so.
Funded Iran heavily.
Used IRS to attack opponents.
Spied on reporters.
Spied on their families, too.
Armed Mexican drug cartels without informing Mexico of this.

Top 10? Yeah.

[loveconstitution1789]

You forgot signed unconstitutional ObamaCare into law.
Unconstitutionally spied on Trump and his campaign.
Added almost $9.3 Trillion to the national debt in 8 years.

I could go on for days.

[Jerryskids]

Yet there's no question that Obama was the greatest African-American* president we've ever had so that alone should put him in the top 12.5%.

*The quibble isn't over the "American" part, it's that the guy did have a white mother so he's just as much white as black.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Alll lies.

You are as fucking retarded as 'LoveCons' is.

[loveconstitution1789]

Aw Butt, you gave up already at 1328?

You really are not living up to the New Soviet Man.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

A Democratic assemblywoman in California spotlighted in Time's #MeToo Person of the Year feature has been accused of sexual misconduct in her office.

Burn baby burn.

[loveconstitution1789]

I can honestly say that I am not tired of winning.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Russia condemned American backing of Kurdish forces in Syria, saying the U.S. was "playing with fire."

Perhaps the state dept. can open a twitter account or something. Undermine Russian Democracy.

[Sevo]

I got a kid down the block. Does better than the Russkis did and works for dope money...

[Jerryskids]

There's a guy on CNN pointing out that when he was a kid they never had to have mass shooter drills at school so therefore it's obvious we need more gun control laws. Never mind the fact that when he was a kid they didn't have the gun control laws we have now so it might be more logical to argue that we need to get rid of gun control laws. And never mind the fact that you're speaking on CNN, something else you didn't have as a kid, and CNN not 5 minutes earlier was running yet another clip of the shooter's court appearance, a shooter that CNN itself has helped make for at least a few hours a more famous celebrity than Donald Trump. You don't think maybe instant worldwide notoriety might have something to do with this spate of shootings, you dumb fuck?

[Tony]

Repeal the first amendment to save the second!

[Rebel Scum]

You have to actively try in order to miss his point.

[loveconstitution1789]

Actually, Tony really is okay with getting rid of the Constitution.

[Procyon Rotor]

Insecure? I would call Oprah stupid, gullible, a useful idiot for charlatans and snake oil salesmen, a spreader of moral panics, an idol for the progressive diversity cult, overrated as an actress... but insecure? Trump may have gone too far this time.