Woman Still Getting Civil-War Survivor Benefits Shows How Federal Policies Mortgage the Future
Abraham Lincoln couldn't have dreamed that 21st-century Americans would still be paying for pensions created under him.

Twenty or 50 years from now, the uproar over the House Intelligence Committee memo will be no more than a footnote to history, and many Americans living then will have fading memories, if any, of the Trump administration. But they will be sure to feel the consequence of other policies, little noticed now, that will weigh more heavily with each passing year.
You may have never heard of Irene Triplett, who illustrates something politicians often forget: Decisions made for immediate purposes can reverberate for a long, long time.
During the Civil War, to bolster military recruitment, the U.S. government established pensions for veterans wounded in battle and widows of those killed. After the war, the system was repeatedly expanded to cover ever more beneficiaries, including men whose disabilities had nothing to do with their service in uniform.
As economist John Cogan of Stanford University and the Hoover Institution notes in his new book, The High Cost of Good Intentions, Congress eventually granted pensions to widows of Union veterans who married after 1890. Then it included all widows whose marriages had lasted 10 years. "In 1957," he writes, "Congress dropped the 10-year requirement. Incredibly, a year later, Congress granted pensions to widows of Confederate soldiers."
In 1924, Mose Triplett, who had served in both the Union and the Confederate armies, married a woman who bore him a daughter named Irene. Born five years later, she is still getting survivor benefits from the Civil War, 153 years after it ended.
Cogan's book chronicles the steady growth of federal entitlements. Social Security was originally meant to ensure protection against poverty to about half of future retirees. But "every Congress, save one, and every president during the years from 1950 to 1972 took action to expand the program."
The pattern is logical. New programs "confine benefits to a group of individuals who are deemed to be particularly worthy of assistance," says Cogan. But groups outside the category push to be included and ultimately prevail. The change puts another group closer to qualifying, and that group does the same thing. The process repeats until the original rationale is lost.
Today, federal entitlement assistance of one type or another goes to more than half of U.S. households—and 31 percent of beneficiaries are in families whose income exceeds the national average. In 2015, households in the top fifth of earners collected $225 billion in federal benefits.
Restraining the cost of entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare is especially hard now. The ongoing retirement of the baby boom generation automatically swells their rolls. With a commitment to fiscal responsibility and regard for future generations, our elected officials might devise humane ways to curb this growth. But to the extent that commitment ever existed, it is gone.
It vanished on December 22, when President Donald Trump signed a tax bill that the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget projects will generate $1.8 trillion in additional deficits over the next decade—on top of the $10.2 trillion already in the pipeline.
The bipartisan watchdog group also says, "Congress is likely to consider increasing discretionary spending caps for the next two years, disaster relief to deal with last year's hurricanes, (and) extensions of temporary tax provisions that expired at the end of 2016." In that scenario, the extra 10-year deficits would be more like $2.2 trillion.
Conservatives claim the gap will force Congress to slash domestic spending. Fat chance. In the late 1990s, President Bill Clinton and the Republican Congress could envision and reach a clear achievement: balancing the budget. But once that goal is hopelessly out of reach, politicians have nothing to gain from spending discipline.
Once deficits are considered the immutable norm, elected officials have every reason to enlarge them, delivering ever-richer benefits to current voters without charging those voters the full price. Much of the cost is deferred to future taxpayers, who have no say.
Since 2001, the federal budget has gone from a $156 billion surplus to a $440 billion deficit. Outlays, which then were 17.6 percent of gross domestic product, are now 21.5 percent of GDP. Deficits don't constrain spending; they stimulate it.
Abraham Lincoln couldn't have dreamed that 21st-century Americans would still be paying for pensions created under him. Our leaders, by contrast, know full well that the debt they are piling up today will be a burden on our descendants. When they look back, they may curse us.
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The fun part will be when practical near-infinite life spans are possible. What will happen to people collecting pensions, whether Social Security, state and local, or ordinary corporate pensions? 401(k), IRAs, etc, probably won't be a problem, except when the capital itself is withdrawn because people didn't expect to live past, say, 100.
Gonna be some fun times.
I also wonder what will happen to all those cops and firemen on tax-free disability pensions when medical science can pretty much cure anything. Probably nothing for retirees over a certain age, but cops who want to retire early on sweet fake disabilities? At some point, politicians and voters will wonder why a cop is being paid full pay, tax-free, for a disability which could be cured for less than a single year's pay and all that valuable experience could be put back on the street.
Well, private and public pension-paying entities could offer bounties on recipients. If you take out Joe, you get 10% of his pension or SS check added to yours (and the state or corporation wipes the other 90% off their books). Could even be broadcast.
Fun times indeed.
"In a libertarian society, we'd all live in gated communities with private police forces and competing court systems. A John Galt statue stands in every town square."
The US was pretty much a libertarian society when it began, at least in the northern states. Since then, the politics of dependency - making everyone dependent on government for something - would make it difficult to transition back to a libertarian society, but your hypothesis about everyone living in a gated community is just that - a hypothesis.
Most people are libertarians in their everyday lives. Most people, at least until recently, support themselves and their families and do what they want while minding their own business. It's when they get in the voting booths that people delegate their stealing, kidnapping, deceit, etc. to government officials.
"The US was pretty much a libertarian society when it began, at least in the northern states."
Uh, not quite. The northern colonies mostly derived from religious fundamental groups with very strict ideas about proper society and behavior. And the New Englanders especially were not shy about promoting and propagating their views (still the case today). The southern colonies established outliers of displaced aristocracy and, of course, the slave-based economy transplanted from the Caribbean. The vestigates of New Amsterdam, around NYC, were more inclined to free market principles, but still supported the English king (and became the HQ for the "invading" British force). Any true libertarian spirit might have been found in the then western frontier, ancestors of today's hill-billy culture. (and full credit to Collin Woodard--I recommend his American Nations)
So arguments that we have to return to founding root ideas are unfounded.
In what areas??? We were more libertarian then on the whole than now. Taxes were lower. Vastly fewer laws. Society, not the government, imposed lots of standards on people, but that's perfectly compatible with libertarianism. Honestly I'd say 1800s, to maybe early 1900s was our golden era as far as libertarian politics go. No place on earth was probably freer than the wild west baby!
The USA was never perfect, but it was probably the best example ever in human history. We should take the good from back then (a lot) and keep some of the good that has happened since then (some to be sure) and make a better country than there ever has been, including the USA of the 1800s!
If you mean in the early history there hasn't been enough time to enact laws and levy taxes you're on to something. Given enough time we all fuck ourselves with good intentions.
That's basically it. We hadn't had time to fuck it up yet! As I have got older I've realized that the founding fathers took WAY too much for granted with the constitution. They really should have been far more explicit in limiting government powers. I think most of them, being the smart chaps they were, had the right ideas about things. They wrote it assuming common sense on later interpreters... That was their mistake.
But there was a strong philosophical streak, inspired by their clear and obvious intentions, that was very strong in the 1800s. This carried on into today, but really lost steam during the 20s/30s more than anything. Since then we've accepted government getting involved in everything, much to our detriment.
Sure, if you only care about taxes.
But if you care about representation (women couldn't vote in most states, various Jim Crow laws kept blacks from voting in others), if you care about owning property (in many states women couldn't own property), religious freedom (Incorporation wouldn't apply the First Amendment to the states for a long time, and religious tests for state offices, state sponsorship of specific religions and so-on was accepted), privacy rights (we're decades before Griswold v. Connecticut and a full century before Lawrence v Texas), family (heck, forget SSM, we're talking miscegenation laws), blue laws, gun control laws (remember, it wasn't until Heller that the 2nd Amendment was read to guarantee an individual right to bear arms)...
So sure. If you just want to talk money? Then go for it. But there were lots of government-imposed standards on people, lots of restrictions on personal freedom, lots of criminalizing behavior that folks thought was "immoral".
So taxes and drugs. That was more "free". But if you weren't white and male, or if you deviated from the norm in other ways? Then there were a lot of problem.s
In fact, your
That stuff is mostly all true. But you're ignoring a thousand other counter points as well. You didn't have minimum wages. You didn't have zoning laws. More property rights in general in many respects. You had MORE gun rights in many ways.
You can come up with points on either side, but frankly most of it comes down to identity politics stuff of black people, women, and gays got screwed. Which is more or less true. But if you were a white man it was fucking amazing. My point is that we should take the best of things from back then, and now. I want EVERYBODY to be able to live like a white man in the 1800s if you care to think of it that way.
The federal budget surplus of $156 billion for 2001 does not account for the intragovernmental borrowing from the Social Security Trust Fund. When that is accounted for, there was a budget deficit as evidenced by the increase in national debt. What about the $440 budget surplus figure -- does that also ignore intragovernmental borrowing?
Oooops, my point on the 2001 budget deficit was already explained by Michael Hinn. But my question on the $440 budget surplus figure remains.
Interesting question, don't have time to google it now though... I hope it does... If it's really even higher than that... UGH.
No, it was explained by me.
The important things in life are simple.
The simple things in life are very hard.
Social Security:
Admit is was a scam from the start; politicians wanted the old guys to retire so the unemployed young men could get their jobs and not riot in the streets.
Remove the earnings cap from the tax to infuse a few more bucks.
Remove the disability portion and make 'social security' a pure retirement program. Either roll disability into medicare/medicaid, or just set up a new bureau to deny (I mean review) the claims.
Index the retirement age to life expectancy. (closing the gap will take a few years, but we all have time, right?)
Pick a year when enrollments will cease. Those born after that year will be on their own.
Medicare:
Everybody has health insurance now. Stop enrollments in Medicare. Continue the program until those enrolled die out and the program dries up.
Health care / Health insurance:
There is a character limit, so you have to figure that out on your own.
Pretty much. Another alternative to keep SS going is to just invest even a portion of it into REAL investments instead of uber low yield government bonds. It would be waaay more than solvent if they invested even 25% or 50% into the stock market, even keeping the rest in shit bonds. These problems are all so easy to solve it makes me want to puke to see the can just get kicked down the road endlessly.
Of course the real way to save $ on Medicare & Medicaid is to deregulate health care & thus make it less expensive. Stop focusing so much on pushing the costs around, focus more on getting costs down.
Ok Hihn.
You seem to be more interested in who's discussing the subject than the subject matter itself. Pretend there's no Michael Hihn, then. Isn't it better thinking to focus on what's creating the costs than the hot potato that the costs have become?
Yes, it does matter who pays, because consumer incentives work. But at this time the potato's so hot that it'd be more productive to focus on producer incentives, i.e. the supply side.
Ok Hihn.
And wouldn't all the 'Professional' organizations (not just Doctors) scream like Trump-frightened Democrats is we even suggested it? The Doctors LIKE being a are and therefore expensive item. They don't WANT to be considered chancre mechanics. And the Lawyers know goddamned well that if GPs are as hard to find as jiffy-lubes, THEIR lucrative racket suing for malpractice goes poof...and their 'Bar Association' swindle might be in danger.
Nothing. Left. To. Cut., period.
This woman died last summer.
Did they catch whoever's been cashing her checks since then?
In 1935 life expectancy was 58 for men and 62 for women. Retirement age was 65. FDR saw it as a government money maker.
First argument: wait a minute here. what's the big deal? it's not like the US currency is gold backed or anything! it's just paper! Didn't government bail out the EU, banks, and everyone else during the "great recession". Just print the money. Modern economies are just an elaborate form of kabuki theatre.
second argument: how else are you going to get people to go fight in war? traditionally it is has been offer non-citizens citizenship, offer college tuition, retirements.... and the list goes on. stop picking on veterans and their families!
yest that the good point.. Freebet Terbaru
thats argument but..i think thats good
Really?
An entire thread based on some idiocy posed by Michael Dihm(wit)?
If anyone is worried about federal payments exploding; wait until the scammers figure out the whole, libertarian supported, "anyone can 'marry' anyone" doctrine will have entire chains of generations getting spousal benefits.
Widowed mother will "marry" son, who will "marry" daughter, who will "marry" dog - each getting surviving spousal benefits.
I guess Saint Anthony didn't think through his unconstitutional elimination of marriage restrictions the states had, legally set up.
Spousal benefits don't chain like that. You get benefits for your spouse, not your spouse's prior or passed spouse.
For that matter, in many cases spousal benefits stop if you re-marry. It's actually a weird incentive for widow(er)s to cohabit rather then re-marry, because while cohabiting they can both collect their retirement benefits as well as their survivor benefits, but if they remarry then they can't collect their survivor benefits anymore.
And that said, Obergefel v. Hodges (2015) eliminated sex-based restrictions. Restrictions based on co-sanguinity, age, and consent are still fully valid. So no, you can't marry your mother, daughter or dog. Except in Alabama.
"...our descendants...may curse us." I curse the statists now. But I'm ahead of my time.
"proposals by the libertarian establishment, to actually solve the problems."
'Fuck you, cut spending' is not a proposal?
Uhhh, libertarians have offered lots of ways to balance the budget Hihn. We're not in power anywhere, so none of it is ever going to happen though!
We could reform welfare, not even eliminate it entirely, to cut out people who are milking the system. We could devolve 90% of the stuff FedGov does to the states, who will handle it better anyway. We could stop wasting trillions on foreign wars. If we actually paid down the debt we'd save trillions on interest.
All those and more have been endlessly proposed. I don't think we need to go 110% anarcho-capitalist in all areas, but we could be faaaaar more libertarian without collapsing civilization as progs seem to fear. America in the 1800s, or even the early 20th century did just fine. We could keep one or two "big guvmint" programs that might have actually been decent in intent, but bungled in practice. It'd be a far better world.
I can suggest a probable solution, but ain't nobody gonna admit they like it. Sometime in the near future the Islamofools will finally pull off a stunt stupid enough to get the American people really angry. Much angrier than 9/11 did. And when that happens, America will go into full-on Imperial mode, and we can start paying entitlements out of the proceeds from word conquest.
Kinda hard on the rest of the world, which is why I really wish the Islamotwits would sit down with the Japanese and have a nice long talk about how unpleasant life is likely to get in the Middle East if they keep pestering us.
Because Cato falsely believes that it's reasonable to tell someone "no, you're really a libertarian, even if you explicitly and emphatically say you'd rather be boiled in oil".
Name one? Why, google not working for you? Reason archives not working? reason.org not working for you?
Must suck to be you, what with so much not working for you.
I agree Hihn, for once, that libertarians often aren't great at laying out detailed mechanics of how changes to the system would work. But to say nobody EVER does it not correct. Reason has, politicians running as Ls have. But I'm not going to try to jump through your silly hoops to post to a million proposals that have been made on Reason over the years.
The one thing I will respond to here is that I don't mean the Feds retaining the money and letting states figure out how to spend it... I mean dropping the taxes, and leaving the money in the taxpayers hands in the first place. If states want a program they can tax their citizens and do WTF ever they want with it. Block grant type stuff is better than how many programs are run now, but still bullshit in many ways.
Try http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/include/usgs_chart4p04.png . Notice how the deficit went negative.
However, you're right about the lack of proposals to solve the problem. Even Chapman says the balanced federal budget goal is "hopelessly out of reach". Well, it was hopelessly out of reach for years before it went negative then too.
Haven't we seen articles here about how Canada & New Zealand fixed their chronic deficits?
How you gonna get them to cut spending?
Maybe if we offered better ways to do it, we would be in power to do so.
The budget has been balanced at times in the past. It is possible.
No. 9/11 was caused by an absense of Imperialism. Islam has ALWAYS been agressive-to-nuts violent unless it was being firmly supressed, either by strong islamic governments or stron non-Islamic Governments. (Sorry about the inconsistent capitols: i'm just too annoyed to fix). The Colonial period saw the gradual supression of the nastier aspects of Islam, to the point where there were a couple of halfway civilized countries with large Islamic populations, like Lebanon and Iran.
Then we took the pressure off, started punishing people like the Shah who depended on strong, nasty secret police organizations to keep Islamic idiocy 8n check, and before you know it, here we are.
Make no mistake; Multiculturalism is bullshit. Islam is not civilized by modern standards, nor will it be until the Islamopests grasp the costs of NOT being civilized.
I like how you totally ignore the link that proves you were lying.
And now you'll attack me for pointing it out.
"It's called an OUTCOME"
No actually, that would be "spending was cut."
I know you're going to pretend you're an expert on language like you pretend you're an expert on everything else, but you aren't and your assertion is wrong.
Hi Hihn's obvious sockpuppet.
Yet another thing you're terrible at doing.
Robert, again I agree than Ls need to be better. But many things have been offered up as ideas. It still hasn't worked because the part is TOO strictly ideological IMO. Strict libertarians are about as "out there" as communists are. We're on the correct side of things of course, but to middle of the road folks common sense and removing government from some areas entirely seems CRAZY because of decades of conditioning. If Ls want to win, we need to be principled and pragmatic at the same time. More principled than the Republicans have ever been, but still willing to accept only a small fraction of what we might ideally want, because at least a small change is in the right direction.
But we have proposed many things. Some the same as Republicans, like school vouchers. Not being opposed to toll roads when they are properly structured. Many other pay for use changes versus all taxpayers paying for services they don't use. So on and so forth.
Yeah. Murray Rothbard criticized the Clark for Prez campaign & others around then for attempting to be "responsible" by actually proposing budgets. Yeah, like we'd get more att'n & be taken more seriously screaming for 0 all the time.
Look back at Fri.'s HyR entry calling Right To Try trivial & calling for repeal of food & drug laws. It's true, Right To Try is trivial, it's based on a misconception of current statutes. But calling for abolition won't get you anywhere either. I mentioned in the comments a couple of reforms that might be achievable & worthwhile. "Intended use" is the vulnerable point in the state & fed'l laws on foods, drugs, cosmetics, med'l devices, food additives & supplements, "pesticides" (a statutory term of art that includes some other things as well), controlled substance analogs, refrigerants, & a bunch of other technologic goodies. If we can get judges' rulings?or better, legisl'n?to narrow the understanding of "intended", we'll go a long way toward bypassing the restrictions while leaving all the wording of these regulatory statutes in place.
His point (& mine) is that spending cuts are an outcome of legislative action, which in turn is an outcome of popular & special-interest will. Sometimes it takes a while, as w marijuana, but it follows. The actual change in the statute is nearly the last step. (The actual last step is in the hands of the police.)
I misspoke. I should have written "$440 budget deficit figure" since that is what is in Chapman's article.
Hey, at least I know how to use bold face. (Actually he does too, but seems to prefer caps.)
Can I help it if I agree w him (mostly) on the issue here? I'm just a better & less irascible rhetorician. But he's less irascible than he used to be on Libernet-d. Even then, though, it was usually others who started the flaming.
Hey, can I be both Hihn's & John's sock puppets? How many fingers can you fit up there?
Do you think you are reaching and persuading anyone with these screeds?
Carousel?
What's he supposed to do? When he's wrong, he's wrong. Do you expect him to have a comeback about everything? I sure don't. That's what selective quote-&-respond is for; why should we echo the parts we have no response to?
I remember on Liberty Northwest (Fidonet echo) how the chief impresario didn't like my practicing good Netiquette by quoting only those parts of his (or anyone's) posts I wanted to respond to. He just didn't get it. He made long posts, & expected everyone to respond to every point, I guess.
"His point (& mine) "
No parenthetical necessary, we already saw you were one of his sockpuppets.
Go here and click on "Pension Reform" at the top left.
This sounds awfully like another commentator...
Hey look, he conveniently shows back up to defend his sockpuppet, and then his sock puppet shows up to defend himself.
So obvious.
"Even then, though, it was usually others who started the flaming. "
Oh come the fuck on guy, you can't just give the game away like that.
Of course if you took SS off-budget, that surplus disappeared. There are good arguments for computing it either way.
Hi, I'm Hihn, I attack literally everyone who posts on the same thread as me, except conveniently, my sock puppet
So obvious.
"Precisely! "
Hi I'm Hihn, the only person I agree with just happens to be my obvious sockpuppet.
Jesus you're bad at this.
Unfortunately I'm afraid actually following such a policy would just get the legislature united against you as executive. You have to know how to use your leverage by offering to side w even a slim majority.
Stop talking to yourself Hihn.
Apologies. I forgot how helpless you are. Go here.
Stop talking to yourself Hihn.
He wasn't even in that thread that I can recall. As of this morning, they took that entry out of HyR; I don't know why they do that. Can't erase my browsing hx, though.
I can't get over the pathetic, obvious sockpuppeting.
Ok Hihn.
Nobody was talking about a thread Hihn. Takes your meds.
Jesus, stop talking to yourself
Hey look, Hihns sock puppet appears to defend him.
God you're bad at this.
That'd be a heck of a Holy Bible quote.
Ok Robert.
Ok Robert.
Ok Hihn.
Hey, even Jesus talks to himself...didn't you say so? So why not Hihn?
Ok Robert.
Ok Hihn.
Ok Robert.
Ok Robert.
Ok Robert.
You're not foo!ing anyone Robert.
There's no way to tell whether your linked graph includes the effects if intragovernmental transfers.
You're not foo!ing anyone Robert.
I see. Many articles is too much for your poor brain. Explains a lot.
Solving one problem causes others, VEK, you should know that. If the feds invested our social security money in the stock market, the amounts of capital would be so huge, that with even minimal returns, "SS-Corp" would be making so much money that every public debt would be paid, and eventually, taxation of ANY kind would be unnecessary. The downside is that as the major stock holder of every corporation on earth, the federal government would very soon be telling the corporations how to run their business, what to sell, for how much and who to hire and who to fire. Debts and deficits would be a thing of the past, but the federal government would own every corporation of earth. It would be the ultimate expression of fascism, and a de facto world government. No matter how saintly and beneficent our government is now, once it ruled the world, it wouldn't be so nice, i bet.
But they have a ton of assets that are not paid out every year. The supposed trust fund. They would need to get their cash back from FedGov, which would have to sell bonds to the market to provide it to them. And then they would invest it in the market. Their returns would be greater, hence the negative cash flow would go away on paper by appreciation of the stocks value. They would receive dividends on many stocks, but could pay cash out by selling Gov bond assets. After a period of transition it would be in the black every year, and the bond market will have readjusted. But it would be solvent.
Not impossible at all. We just transition from pay-as-you-go to mandatory retirement savings accounts. Pay-as-you go is a big part of the problem. It makes a big fraction of the savings rate invariant to the rest of the economy.
You miss the point. It's not about the excesses beyond what's budgeted to pay for benefits: "benefits" (that is, current consumption by retired people) should come entirely from income that was saved and invested in the past. This is inherently preferable to redistributing a fixed fraction from a young person today to an old person tomorrow because markets allocate capital more efficiently than governments and because the present value of future consumption is not fixed.
I'm not saying that Islam has aways been dominated by Barbarians. I AM saying that it has always had a variety of small subsets that delighted in pestering the neighbors. If not kept under control by a strong central government, Islamic or not, those small subsets grow and become international pests.
At the end of the Colonial era, we abdicated. We started punishing national leaders like the Shah who were dragging their nations into the mid-19th Century because they weren't ultra-modern pictures of Liberal Enlightenment. Not too surprisingly, the various nut-sects that were festering around the edges of Islam took advantage. The problem is an absence of Imperialism. Which is too bad, because there isn't anyone in a position to provide an Imperialism even close to as benign as the far-from-perfect Victorian British. So when it returns, and if the Islamotwits keep attacking the West it will, it is going to be a lot closer to the Imperialism of the Belgian Congo.It ain't gonna be pretty.
The thing is, I seriously think the time is coming when the United States people are going to lose their collective temper. I DON'T think this is a good thing. I DO think it is as utterly predictable as the sunrise. I think that there is going to be a big terror attack; something along the lines of a big fuel-air detonation. Maybe in Detroit, where the local government pretty much isn't, so the terrorists could work on it with little fear of interruption. I think that such an attack will do us, if possible, even less actual damage than 9/11, but will kill more innocents. And the resulting spasm of hatred will have all kinds of unpleasant consequences, many of them impossible to take back. Anti-war protesters? FDR threw a bunch of them in jail so hard they bounced. I think we'll see that again...and worse. I dread the Imperial America that's coming. Not so much for myself, because I'm white and over 50. It won't get bad for my kind until I'm safely dead. But it will be the death of the American Experiment, just as sure as if the paranoid expectations some had of Obama had been true and he WAS a full-bore Socialist Revolutionary a la Salvadore Allende. Except I don't think we'll get lucky enough to be ruled by a Pinochet who is willing to step down while still living.
You FAIL to address our imperialism in the Middle East.
We stuck our nose where it did not belong, in the war between Japan and China, and suffered Pearl Harbor.
We stuck our nose where it did not belong, in the thousand year war between two religions, and suffered 9/11. (AND we're on the WRONG side, so you've been brainwashed by that imperialism, instead of knowing the history of the area)
9/11 was BECAUSE of our interference in the Middle East. Bin laden said so at the time.
ISIS recruits by claiming a Judeo-Christian war on Islam with LOTS of proof, including you..
One example. Our military should guarantee that Israel has the only nukes in the area. But if nobody else has nukes, why does Israel NEED any, except for MORE aggression, from THE longest-standing aggressor in all of humankind.
You also FAIL to address Muslims allowing the Jews back into Jerusalem AFTER Christians both expelled and slaughtered them.
Selective history has long been the tool of tyranny.
That's about a million words worth of stuff to write. Don't have the time today! But largely keep personal freedoms that came about from society losing its moral values, even though many of those things aren't necessarily good, they are freedom oriented. Stuff like any sodomy laws should stay gone. But we should get rid of all the nanny state stuff, like minimum wages, over regulation etc.
I don't think Trump is Jesus... But if Hillary were in there we'd probably have even more government spending, higher taxes, and she would be trying to slap on even more regulations, not the mention all the crazy prog shit her base would be screeching for. He was the one eyed king in the land of the blind as far as the 2016 election went.
It's a legit fear. But also overblown. First off you could write the law so that they are ONLY able to legally buy into say index funds that own the whole DOW, NASDAQ etc. No individual investing, period. So they could not have anything close to a major share in any given company. They could also make the law say that IT IS FORBIDDEN to ever vote on any matter based upon shares owned in any business.
As far as them controlling huge amounts... Yes and no. SS trust fund doesn't need to be that huge to be solvent with most of the cash coming in and going out every year. A few trillion like it is now would suffice. Public pensions already own more stock than that in the US, and though there is crony shit going on, the market has survived. If market returns ever got too great and the fund was actually growing after paying out benefits at too great a pace, the law could state that FICA taxes will be automatically lowered to XX amount, ensuring the FedGov never ends up owning 20 trillion of the market when it really only needs saaay 3 trillion to keep SS solvent.
The problems can be worked out. Not saying our idiot politicians will do it, but it is more than possible.
You're not as much fun as ButtPlug.
So...you must be Chapman's sock puppet, right? Everybody's got a few, ya know.
But seriously, folks, this is why Robert A. Wilson wrote, "Convictions make convicts."
There seems also to be prejudice against a policy of opposing waste, fraud, and abuse, because everybody's vs. that, & we're unlike everybody. What, like we should be understood as in favor of waste, fraud, & abuse? Sometimes it's good to be like everybody. Sometimes people who do the work of finding some waste get att'n given to it, & actually gets it eliminated. We could do more of that. Don't think of it as being "efficiency experts for the tyrant", think of it as a good deed for humanity.
Totally. I'm for getting rid of SS via a phase out period of some sort. But I'm just saying that even if we kept the stupid program we could do it a LOT better. That is the thing that pisses me off more than anything about all the big government welfare programs. Even if you concede society has some obligation to do XYZ, you could do XYZ 10,000,000 times better/more efficiently than they do it now, and without all the disincentives to work and such that exist now. It's a sad thing that I, someone wholly against socialist welfare systems, could easily create better socialist welfare systems than the socialists!!! Maybe that explains why I'm not a socialist though. LOL
Yeah sure, going after obvious waste and stupidity is a great thing Ls should be doing. Things like streamlining government programs that shouldn't exist in the first place is certainly better than letting them remain all fucked up. As things currently stand I still think trying to gradually take over the Republican party is the better path than the Libertarian Party. Unless we have major reforms of election laws, and/or a MAJOR event that completely obliterates the Rs or Ds a third party just isn't going to get anywhere. The system is rigged too heavily against third parties.
Of course we can and shold try to change such slanted laws, but that will be a long road.
You're a fucking psycho like Red Rocks. Sevo and your whole street gang.
(sneer) Not a fucking one. And I've been reading since it began.
I can tell you all the BULLSHIT ... like Gillespie and Mercatus claiming postwar spending cuts were the "stimulus" for a postwar boom ... using bullshit GDP data.
Living in a tribal cave can be dangerous, Progressives say the postwar boom happened despite 91% tax rates. Now ... the spending cuts are real .. the 91% tax cuts were real ... do the math.
Libertarians say we had a BOOM, at 91% tax rates!!!
Progressives (Paul Krugman) say we had a BOOM, after cutting spending by over half!!
Which is it? (lol)
Tell is how ... no slogans or soundbites ... how to ELECT A CONGRESS to do it, or amend the Constitution. And why does even Ayn Rand ridicule what you've said there?
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Already did that. FAILED. The extreme social conservatives killed it ... as Goldwater warned. A death fueled by Ron Paul.
FACT: We already have a majority ... but we IGNORE it ,... using your excuse
FACT: Over 60% of Americans are fiscally conservative and socially liberal
FACT: That means spread throughout BOTH parties (including indies who quit both)
FACT: 91% of those libertarians REJECT being called libertarian.
FACT: The libertarian establishment (movement) is as manipulative liars as the two major elites.
FACT: A libertarian POLICY platform could have won the White House last year.
FACT: The "strategy" of running on libertarian slogans was TOTALLY discredited in 2016.
FACT: The libertarian movement is stone-cold dead. But the VALUES have a rock-solid majority. The individual vs the collective.
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And the Ls have put out policies, local, state, and national since being founded! And nobody votes for them. And the election structure is slanted against them. Which is why it has gone nowhere despite most people essentially being MODERATE libertarians. NOT hardcore libertarians.
Hence I would advise the L party to make moderate, but in the right direction, policy proposals and do what they can. But I still doubt it will get them anywhere. If the L party had a billionaire a la Trump or Perot run that might actually work. But barring that it's going nowhere anytime soon.
Hence wielding power in the R party is probably as good as it gets for now. I agree that bible thumpers have fucked stuff up in that respect, but they are largely dying off in droves, and as they do it is possible that we might be able to become the main controlling contingent in the R party. It'll always have divisions, but just as the Neocons took the helm L leaning people could theoretically be the ruling faction that calls the shots.
God you're an idiot. And you confuse the fuck out of me. You are vaguely libertarian on some things, but then you're a total progtard in other ways. I'm all for being pragmatic in gaining more liberty incrementally, but the things you want are often very anti liberty. We're NOT a Democracy, and for good reason.
Which is specifically why many of the things you advocate, even if they are popular, are still wrong.
Right this second I would probably be okay with it actually. At other points in the recent past, no. I don't think the Rs would try to slide anything too horrible in, and since it's all split with a leaning towards Rs they might hash something decent out.
The problem with the constitution is that they weren't explicit enough in chaining the government down. If you believe in a Republic with limitations on the power of the state versus pure Democracy, then the will of the people is irrelevant. Obviously peoples opinions should be minded, but if a Muslim terrorist attack happened tomorrow, and 80% of the country voted to summarily execute all Muslims in the USA... Would that be right? Of course not. But that's pure Democracy for you.
So there are LIMITS on what the will of the people should be able to do. We could improve on the constitution, but it would mostly be limiting the power of the federal government more than we presently have, NOT allowing to do more stupid shit that is popular like you apparently want.
Also you're wrong on Jefferson. He didn't believe in Democracy like you do. Yes, optimally you want consent of the governed, but with limits. I believe he would agree with me if the choice is between amending the constitution to give the government more tyrannical powers versus keeping it as is... He'd want to keep it as is.
And there is nothing wrong with ignoring the will of morons in the pursuit of freedom. The founding fathers were ALL ignoring the will of a large portion of the population because they knew they were right. They also weren't a bunch of pussy pacifists who strictly adhered to the NAP. They KILLED PEOPLE who opposed their desire for freedom. Which sometimes must be done. Including killing the well intended idiots who oppose you.
The world is a fucked up place, so sometimes you have to do bad things for a better result in the long run. If a bunch of pussy NAP adhering twats had been around in 1776 the greatest nation in human history never would have existed. Thank god the FFs weren't cucks!
LOL I voted for Gary Johnson, both times! And the Libertarian in EVERY election since I could vote. So you have me pegged wrong.
But it's pure hyperbole to say he has been the most police state president ever. Bush II was definitely worse than Trump has been so far. Obama and Trump are round abouts the same. What has Trump ACTUALLY DONE that was "police state?" He's continued previous BS he didn't start. But he didn't start up any massive new programs.
Picking the lesser of two evils sucks. I'd like to have had a perfect candidate, even Johnson was pretty lame really. But I'm glad we got Trump instead of Hillary. Just as I would have preferred Mussolini to Stalin. They're both pretty garbage, and I'd prefer Thomas Jefferson to either... But if I HAD TO CHOOSE, Mussolini allowed way more freedom, and his people had it a lot better. Hitler versus Stalin would be tougher, but as long as you're not a Jew Hitler was still a lot better than Stalin for ethnic Germans compared to Stalin and the Russians.
Those are fucked up examples, but they're also factually correct. You could own property in Nazi Germany, own a business, change jobs as desired, a lot less likely to be thrown in a death camp... Not so in the USSR.
LOL Just like state and local public pension funds do now! It's sooooo fascist!
It's not ideal, and it could be arranged differently, or optimally gotten rid of completely... But it is at least a viable way to "save" the current system. No program, or some other program forcing people to prove they have an account with a private brokerage might be less "big governmenty" but not by much. It'd be the same argument as Obamacare, FORCING somebody to buy a private retirement account.
From a quick search?, it looks like SS (old-age, surviors and disability) had total expenditures in 2016 of about $922,276,000,000, or $922 billion. Assuming 5% annual rate-of-return, you would need a pot of about $18,445,520,000,000, or $18,455 billion invested to pay off just from the growth.
The current reserve is $2,847,687,000,000, or $2,847 billion. At a 5% annual rate-of-return, that can only cover about $142,384,350,000 or $142 billion from growth, or 15% of annual expenditures.
Doing a "back of the envelope" calculation, it looks like based just on growth, it would take until 2055 or so for the reserve to be large enough to support the 2016 pay-outs, and that's assuming that pay-ins (up to that point) are entirely covering the pay-outs?.
Factoring in growing retirement population, inflation and so-long is more financial statistics then I can do, but the bottom-line is that while investing might help, it's not enough.
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?All numbers pulled from ssa.gov
?And if you recall, the entire "Social Security is running out" problem is that while pay-ins currently are higher then pay-outs, the boomers retiring is going to reverse that.
But it WOULD. You don't need, or even necessarily want, the income paying the whole thing. You want it to close the negative cash flow they have.
2015 they had 70 billion less cash come in from current payees than they needed to send out. That's the big problem. They're going to have to start drawing down their slush fund to pay current expenses soon. Which only exacerbates the problem as investment income from bonds will drop. They made 93 billion in interest in 2015, so still came out ahead, but that's coming to an end now.
5% is conservative, 7-8 would be more realistic for super long term historically. 7% would have brought them in approximately 196 billion. More than double what they make now, and nearly triple the shortfall from that same year.
In other words they could grow their way out of worrying about the negative cash flow from current receipts. Even your 5% would do this maybe. Government bonds won't.
No, it's because of math. If they made better investments, their total income taxes+profit would still be growing the trust fund for many years, if not forever. I haven't run the exact numbers, but if it would still run into the red at some point just with the investment increases, with very minor tweaks at that point you could keep it in the black forever.