Here's What Rand Paul, Mark Meadows, and Others in Washington Are Saying About the Nunes Memo
Now that it's out, nobody's minds seem to have changed.
"The Memo" is out and the reactions are unfolding in entirely predictable patterns.
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, released his short memo today after the White House agreed to its declassification. The document claims that the FBI withheld from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that the "Steele Dossier," used as justification to snoop on former Donald Trump adviser Carter Page, was funded by Democratic Party sources and pushed by FBI officials with an agenda against Trump. (Read it all here.)
What are major political players saying? Pretty much what you would have predicted.
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) calls the memo "partisan spin" and says its release is reckless and will help Russia. Yet she doesn't actually counter any of the claims in the memo itself:
.@realDonaldTrump has surrendered his constitutional responsibility as Commander-in-Chief by releasing Nunes' unredacted, classified memo. His decision undermines our national security and is a bouquet to his friend Putin. pic.twitter.com/kdUgIrCE6l
— Nancy Pelosi (@NancyPelosi) February 2, 2018
There are some variations in responses among Republicans. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), no friend of Trump's, does not want the Nunes memo to threaten the investigation of whether Russia colluded with members of Trump's campaign during the election outcomes. McCain, you may recall, might have played a major role in the spread of the contents of the Steele Dossier:
The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests—no party's, no president's, only Putin's. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia's ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller's investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation's elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him.
As for the Republicans who favor the memo's release, I've been blasting some of them for complaining about secret surveillance when it's connected to Trump while explicitly reauthorizing the use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Amendments to allow the feds to secretly snoop on American citizens.
But some Republican lawmakers, like Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), have been philosophically consistent. This tweet may sound like what we've been hearing from other Trump supporters…
So, there it is. The FBI took an unverified political dossier, paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC, and they used it as a central piece in their request to get a warrant for spying on American citizens and political opponents in the Trump campaign.
— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) February 2, 2018
…but Meadows, as a member of the House Freedom Caucus, supported reforms to the FISA amendments that would have put tighter restrictions on using secret surveillance of American citizens. He was overruled by some other Republicans, who now are also acting outraged about the contents of the memo. Unfortunately, those hypocritical politicians end up amplifying those who see this whole thing as a partisan fight intended to either protect or destroy the president. But unlike a lot of the Republicans, Meadows understands this is a bigger issue than just snooping on people close to the president:
Last point: If you remember anything from this news cycle, remember: your right as an American to privacy from your government spying on you is critical. It is foundational to who we are as a Republic. Never take that right for granted, no matter the political party you belong to
— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) February 2, 2018
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) who tried to organize a filibuster to stop FISA from being reauthorized without reforms, applauded the memo's release for similar reasons:
While I applaud the release of this memo, I also call for Congress to take immediate action to help prevent such behavior in the future. It is imperative it start by listening to Americans who have expressed outrage over its disregard for the Fourth Amendment and reexamining the powers it reauthorized right before we learned of the memo. Continuing to ignore the Constitution will only guarantee that others fall victim to government abusing its domestic surveillance powers.
Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) who attempted to get suveillance reform through the House and failed, has a like-minded thread of tweets about getting overruled by establishment pols on both sides of the aisle.
Then there's the question of just how accurate Nunes' memo actually is. RedState questions Nunes' claim that then-FBI Director James Comey testified that the whole Steele dossier was "salacious and unverified." That doesn't seem to accurately reflect what Comey said, which is that parts of the dossier were unverified and perhaps parts were.
Speaking of which, here's how Comey himself responded:
That's it? Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee, destroyed trust with Intelligence Community, damaged relationship with FISA court, and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen. For what? DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs.
— James Comey (@Comey) February 2, 2018
Turning our attention to what happens next: The Democrats produced their own memo describing how they interpret the warrant application process for this whole investigation. They'd like it to be declassified and released too. When House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) defended the release of the Nunes memo today, he also showed support for releasing the Democratic Party's analysis. His spokesperson told The Hill, "The speaker is in favor of greater transparency. If it is scrubbed to ensure it does not reveal sources and methods of our intelligence gathering, the speaker supports the release of the Democrats' memo."
Beyond that, if we want to see who's really committed to transparency, watch to see who wants to declassify and release all the underlying warrant application information that was submitted in the first place, rather than just relying on partisan interpretations.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is no fan of Trump's, but it's one of the major civil liberties groups concerned about unwarranted FBI surveillance of Americans. And in the wake of the Nunes memo, it wants more information to come out. From Christopher Anders, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Washington Legislative Office:
Rather than one side or the other cherry-picking facts, all Americans deserve to see all of the facts, including both the minority report and the underlying documents. The goal should be more transparency, not less, particularly when a congressional committee chairman makes serious charges of abuse but does not provide the facts to either prove the charges or allow Americans to make up our own minds.
And one last response, just for the eyerolls. The same Arizona congressman (Rep. Paul Gosar) who wanted capitol police to arrest any illegal immigrants who might have shown up at Trump's State of the Union Address thinks the Nunes memo is evidence of treason:
My full statement on the declassified memo: pic.twitter.com/eRo6ugpWQ9
— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) February 2, 2018
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If you remember anything from this news cycle, remember: your right as an American to privacy from your government spying on you is critical.
Too late. I can only remember one thing from any given news cycle and from this one it’s Stormy Daniels.
You picked a pretty good one.
Gosh, that was like five news cycles ago. Try to keep up.
Look,it gets more difficult as you begin to get older.
That’s why he needs Stormy Daniels.
That’s like two news cycles ago. Get it together, gramps.
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Who’s James Comey?
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inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen
Let’s not dwell too much on classified investigations of American citizens.
Money shot right there.
Christ, what an asshole.
It’s a good think I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that part. It would have ended up all over my desk.
Particularly those obtained via warrants from evidence obtained by a political campaign… without declaring the source. Jumpin’ Jesus on a pogo stick, the FISA court looks like the Stasi.
“Yet she doesn’t actually counter any of the claims in the memo itself:”
Funny that.
As best I can tell, neither does anyone else. The ” hypocritical, partisan, cherry-picked” facts remain undisputed, no?
Everyone seems to pluck their facts from this, like a choosy chicken going only for the juiciest worm.
“like a choosy chicken going only for the juiciest worm.”
SIV will be in his bunk….
Pretty much. The worst they say is that they’re taken out of context, but I’m having a hard time imagining the context in which they’d look good.
The worst they say is that they’re taken out of context, but I’m having a hard time imagining the context in which they’d look good.
I’ll mace you good!
Schiff’s claim is that we dunderheads simply can’t understand this because we don’t have access to all the underlying information on this case. Haven’t yet heard him call for that info to be released or clarified so we could figure it out though…
Am I the only one who finds this story (and lets be honest, all of the stories about the palace intrigue of the Trump Administration) extremely boring?
In so far as some extreme evidence of partisan opposition, yes. I think I mostly find it sad that this is seen largely as an issue of politics rather than general FBI overreach.
I was sold on the deep state partisanship with the IRS/Lois Lerner shenanigans. There’s reason to think that actually changed the outcome of an election. Not that I long for President Romney. Hell, Obama’s 2nd term might have been the only thing to save us from Hillary.
This seems like more traditional muck raking bullshit.
So you’re saying just give up on democracy?
No, Hugh. I tried to read the memo several times, but kept getting distracted by more interesting things, like the dust gathering on the shelves, the local road crew watching the paint dry on the road during their “break”, and the tectonic movement of the slowly expanding floor of the Atlantic ocean.
No, because I’m not a media-loving leftist scumbag actively participating in a coverup of epic proportions.
You jest, but some serious media outlets contend Hillary could still be president.
Fingers crossed.
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It will drive your woman WILD!
Define “serious”.
Can you get more serious than Snoozeweek?
Rube Goldberg says Lessig’s plan is too convoluted.
Um, No.
For there to be any chance for Hillary to become President before 2020 all of the following would have to be impeached in order.
President Donal Trump.
President Mike Pence
President Paul Ryan
President Orin Hatch
President Rex Tillerson
President Steven Mnuchin
President Jeff Sessions
President Ryan Zinke
President Sonny Perdue
President Wilbur Ross
President Alex Acosta
President Alex Azar
President Ben Carson
*The current Secretary of the Treasury is ineligible but would sit here in the order.
President Rick Perry
President Betsy DeVos
President David Shulkin
President Kirstjen Nielsen
I doubt that the current Congress could get through that many impeachments before the next presidential election even if they tried.
Presidential line of succession
I suspect that Trump will accomplish so much in one term he will decline to run in 2020 and go back to doing something fun, like making another billion dollars in the boom cycle he ignited.
Democrats will be dealing with President Nikki Haley after the next election. She will handily defeat Joe Biden, Pocahontas, or Crazy Bernie.
God forbid. She does well in the ceremonial position she’s in now, but ask any S.C. Republican, we do NOT want her for President.
Maybe this FISA abuse will raise the reputation of FISA opponents like Paul, and he can wangle a chance to be Pence’s VP?
Nancy Pelosi is going to be #3 come next year. And Pence as head of the transition is obviously implicated and must be removed from office.
It’s not so complicated when you get down to it. But restoring Hillary to her rightful office is far too just an outcome to actually come to fruition.
Don’t you mean “our” rightful place?
But restoring Hillary to her rightful office is far too just an outcome to actually come to fruition.
Don’t give up on Hillary sitting on the Iron Throne as she’s the rightful heir.
“Nancy Pelosi is going to be #3 come next year.”
Maybe, maybe not, there are only 8 House seats up for Re-election in 2018 currently held by Republicans. The Democrats have come close to running the table in-order to re-take the House. And they still can’t remove Trump unless they retake the Senate by a wide margin. It requires a two thirds vote of the present members to convict on an impeachment.
I don’t like Trump, and I would be happy to see him removed, but I still put the probability of Trump being removed from office before 2020 at around 0.001%
Senate seats, Matt. EVERY House seat is up for re-election every two years.
Tony, if they try to install Pelosi as president, it will be civil war. Pray that doesn’t happen, because your end will be not be pleasant.
Am I the only one who finds you extremely boring?
Yes.
You are.
Come back to that other place, Hugh.
Awww look Hugh’s sock puppets and butt buddies are here to defend him from the meanies. How sweet.
No. And I know I should care more about FISA abuse. But until I get some reliable goddamn information all I can hear is fart noises.
all I can hear is fart noises.\
Yep…
The progressives have so much blood on their hands that I’m willing to take it in faith that every one of them should be in prison or executed. So let’s make it happen.
No, because I find it even more boring than you.
So detached and above it all, therefore better than all of you saps.
Nothing is more boring than me.
You old so-and-so.
Some of the allegations are pretty shitty, but on the whole yes this story is boring.
So much partisan bullshit floating around I am fairly certain only God know what the truth is of any of this.
Lol. Yeah now that the Russia conspiracy theory you’ve been beating your tiny little pecker to for the last 14 months has been exposed as a partisan shit show you’re bored with hearing about it? Surprise surprise. Go tell all 3 of your Tumblr followers how above the fray you are. Fucking pathetic piece of shit.
, supported reforms to the FISA amendments that would have put tighter restrictions on using secret surveillance of American citizens. He was overruled by some other Republicans, who now are also acting outraged about the contents of the memo. Unfortunately, those hypocritical politicians end up amplifying those who see this whole thing as a partisan fight intended to either protect or destroy the president.
Sadly, it is a very partisan fight. That’s why they won’t support reforms. Because they’re not willing to disarm themselves either.
Or maybe because the intelligence services don’t want to be reformed, and are perfectly placed to engage in extortion.
To understand what is really going on:
The original Flynn-Bannon was to incite terrorism in the middle east to disrupt oil supplies to boost the value of Tilly’s interests in the US and Russia. But this required lifting sanctions so that the Trump team could benefit as well, and this is one of the things that Carter Page had been working on for many years. So the FBI was following him to figure out what he was up to, and came up with little because in fact the FB plan required a little co-ordination but not much shady dealings.
The Steele dossier claimed that this collusion was because Putin had kompromat on Trump. This was silly nonsense, and designed to distract from the FB plan. FBI shouldn’t have used this to renew the warrant but they did anyway. This is par for the course with FISA court and not a big deal. The memo is basically a nothing-burger and little will come of it.
Will Trump fire Rosenstein? Yes I think he will. But this is a good thing because the replacement will be even worse for Trump, and this will make the FBI a little more efficient and about time. Just as Trump discredited the presidency (showed we don’t really need it), so we need to scale down each arm of government. That includes the IC, Congress and the judiciary. So don’t panic, don’t overreact. Just vote for the guy who promises less government. (Too bad we don’t have a political party that embodies this ideal.)
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I support arresting any politician that shows up for the state of the union address.
I support decorating the lampposts with senior-level bureaucrats to celebrate Revolution Day.
If it protects even one citizen from Russians, then it is worth it.
I support trading ten progressives for each illegal we naturalize. Sending the progs to various socialist shitholes, never to return.
So why should non-partisans care?
Since you’re a Democratic partisan what relevance is it to you? Just keep flailing your arms about and pissing your pants about Trumputin like you have been for the last year.
“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), no friend of Trump’s, does not the Nunes memo to threaten the investigation of whether Russia colluded with members of Trump’s campaign during the election outcomes.”
I simply can’t parse this. What is he saying here?
I used to think Nick never edited anything. Now that he’s been put out to pasture it looks, in retrospect, that maybe he did.
“”Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), no friend of Trump’s, does note the Nunes memo … threaten(s) the investigation of whether Russia colluded with members of Trump’s campaign during the election ….””
That’s my best guess at least.
I guess that’s probably it.
There was a weird back end issue during the editing process and I think it actually ate some words. I’ve caught a couple of others. I’ll fix this ASAP.
Scott, It’s ok to blame Britches for this.
It would have been more believable if you had accidentally a few words in your explanation.
There was a weird back end issue during the editing process
Is that a euphemism for you were being tapped in the ass by a large “bear” and couldn’t concentrate? NTTAWWT.
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
(As he pats your head)
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
Are you still punishing society for not getting to fuck the head cheerleader in high school?
“Back end issue” was my nickname in… I don’t remember where I was…
How many fools can stand in one line?
You FUCKED UP the copy-and-paste!
“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), no friend of Trump’s, does not want the Nunes memo to threaten the investigation of whether Russia colluded with members of Trump’s campaign during the election outcomes.”
You OBVIOUSLY misread the original or you wouldn’t have tries. So now find somebody to read and explain it!
Phew, I thought it was just me.
Who the hell fucks up a copy and paste? How is that even possible since you’re not transcribing it manually?
Did it never occur to you that the article has been fixed since that comment was posted, exactly as Scott said it would be.
“We’re going to punish our enemies.”
-Barack Obama
The most true statement he ever made in his life. Let’s not forget that this sham pretext for spying on the Trump campaign wasn’t even the first time he did it. The first time was through the I.R.S. and his underlings like Lois Lerner.
“What did President Obama know and when did he know it?”
Nothing, until he read about it in the New York Times.
Even then, it’s debatable the idiot knew anything.
I notice that Comey didn’t point out even a single inaccuracy in the memo.
And I have no idea how Pelosi thinks this memo is going to undermine national security. It makes a few individuals look corrupt. They probably are. Finding that out will do nothing but help national security.
The whole “National Security” angle looks like such utter horseshit with the memo’s release. I feel like I must be overlooking some. Am I simply being obtuse? I can’t find a single word/phrase/sentence that looks like it puts our country in peril.
It reveals the “sources and methods” of the FBI, which apparently are to take a longish fictional press release from the Hillary Clinton campaign and use it to blow up the right of Americans to privacy, especially if they oppose HRC’s ambitions.
It is not just that they used HRC’s campaign opposition by Steele to spy on Trump’s team, they also used Steele’s planted story to Yahoo News and Mother Jones to corroborate their story. Nice work if you can get it.
Well, Hillary is great at getting the FBI to do stuff for her. I mean, she did end up with 400 FBI Files on Bush and Reagan appointees.
“I’ll have a cherry-picked nothing burger with a large side of disrespect for the for the dedicated patriots of the FBI “
Would you like salt and vinegar on those patriots?
“dedicated patriots of the FBI”
Oh, now that’s funny. The FBI has been a cesspool of corruption with repeated attempts to interfere in US politics since J. Edgar Hoover.
I was reading comments over at the Daily Kos and this was the exact sentiment. Stupidly, I couldn’t resist posting a few of the more interesting points from the memo and got banned within 5 posts. No rudeness, no gloating, literally just a few things that are actually in the memo. Those guys are super woke and tolerant.
Has msnbc finished their strategy meeting?
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
(As he pats your head)
Nunes’ big mistake was putting his name on the memo and publicly releasing it. Had it been leaked as a top-secret memo by an anonymous source they would have eaten that shit up with a spoon.
Not the liberal media, they would have probably denied it was even real!
Besides the Republicans don’t leak classified documents… That has almost always been the dems, literally going back decades. Mind you half the time it’s because the Rs are trying to cover their asses, but when they want something made public they do it the legit way. The fact that the Dems have illegally released so much classified info since Trump got in office, and NOBODY has been arrested is BS. They should find the source of those leaks and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. THAT is the kind of shit that undermines government more than things like releasing a memo, which apparently is factually correct, through proper channels.
That’s it?
That’s Comey telling you that the FBI does this political shit all the time. Why let the IRS have all the fun.
“He’s been fixing Clinton investigations since Whitewater. It’s old news to him.”
“That’s Comey telling you that the FBI does this political shit all the time.”
Yep and the FBI doing that political shit goes all the way back to J. Edgar Hoover.
The headline mirrors that long-running Onion gag, so I was hoping for funnier responses.
You’ve heard about the Nunes memo, but what about Nu?ez memo? *sniggers* Of course you haven’t because it’s Nu?ez business!
‘The Democrats produced their own memo describing how they interpret the warrant application process for this whole investigation. They’d like it to be declassified and released too. When House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) defended the release of the Nunes memo today, he also showed support for releasing the Democratic Party’s analysis.’
Well.. except the two memos were not released at the same time now were they? In fact, the Democrat’s response to this ill-forged and often incorrect (read cherry picked and altered) memo is still up in the air. Even if after a week or two of discussion, the Republican majority agrees to send it to Trump to declassify, what are the chances he will? Further, the very act of delaying the Dem Memo is in of itself a means of letting it die as the Nunes Memo gets airplay.
This is cheap partisanship on the part of the GOP and Trump, nothing more. Meanwhile Trump’s war on our Intel Departments continues unabated with the enabling GOP.. Remember.. Our nation depends on the three branches of government, and our GOP Cngress seems to roll over to get its tummy scratched whenever our dingbat so-called president feels the need.
We have a problem bigger than the memo. It’s the complete abdication of one of our three branches of government.
Look, let’s be clear: The Nunes memo was drafted weeks ago, released to the House over the objection of Democrats on, IIRC, the 18th, and released to the public only after review by House members.
The Democratic memo was thrown together only when they realized they wouldn’t be able to block the Nunes memo from being seen by the public, and they demanded to bypass the process the Nunes memo followed.
Well, screw that, they insisted on dragging out the process for the Republican memo, their memo can take just as long to be seen.
Hahaahahhah…cheap partisanship…….hahahahahahahaha
Lol
It’s so fun watching you Democratic shills pissing your pants over this.
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
(As he pats your head)
You should know, you were in the corner watching. Clapping with one hand and eagerly waiting to be bent over by the Donald and Hello. So they could give you quite the spitroasting. (As he slaps your ass and calls you his little bitch)
“Meanwhile Trump’s war on our Intel Departments continues unabated with the enabling GOP.. Remember.. Our nation depends on the three branches of government,”
So the FBI is one of the three branches of government? Which branch abdicated? I am truly baffled by your post.
The deflections about Russia are ridiculous.
The fact is that the FBI did all the things for Hillary Clinton that the Democrats accused the Russians of doing for Donald Trump.
The fact is that the FBI tried to throw a presidential election.
The fact is that the FBI used the Hillary Clinton campaign’s opposition research to run interference on the Trump campaign, and they knew that information came from the Clinton campaign’s opposition research.
Any lesson drawn from this that doesn’t include a total investigation of the FBI with an eye towards prosecuting any individual FBI personnel who broke the law is a distraction.
There isn’t any lesson to draw from this about the Fourth Amendment or Russia that wouldn’t be the same even without the revelations in the memo. The memo is only uniquely important because it shows that the FBI is out of control and needs to be held accountable for the disgraceful and illegal behavior of FBI staff in subverting American democracy in the election of a president.
The individuals responsible for these decisions should spend the rest of their lives behind bars.
Lest we not forget… Comey started investigating Hillary about a week before the election because of that Anthony Wiener email crap. I am not so certain they wanted to intentionally tip the scales, they just seem incompetent. Plus Hillary and Trump were two utterly worthless pieces of trash, it is hard to stay apolitical as the FBI when everything about Trump and his antics seem questionable by any reasonable individual and Hillary might be one of the most morally bankrupt, calculating pieces of garbage to grace our fair globe.
I think their leash is just too big because no one is yanking it in. Congress does not seem intent on oversight in any regard, neither is the President, so I find all this of no great surprise. Same with the DOD, CIA, NSA, IRS, etc. Everyone has their fiefdoms with little oversight. Furthermore, oversight has become almost impossible because their is too much to watch. How do you oversee a kingdom with millions of employees that almost always runs on autopilot?
“Comey started investigating Hillary about a week before the election because of that Anthony Wiener email crap.”
You weren’t paying attention, McCabe became aware of the Weiner laptop emails a month before the election and tried to sit on it until after the election. Comey and McCabe acted on it finally when it became apparent that it was going to blow before the election, so they had to reveal it and dimiss it as soon as they could so the could re-clear her in time for election day.
That’s why McCabe quit last week to avoid a demotion.
Don’t forget, he didn’t actually quit last week. He waited until last week so he had enough accrued leave time to vacation until March when he can retire with full pension.
Totally unverifiable speculation. But hey opinions are pretty sweet, especially when you pass them off as fact.
No, not really. All out in the open and proven. But hey sticking your fingers your ears and screaming I CAN’T HEAR YOU is pretty fun when your party is drowning.
The Democrats in Congress and everywhere else today can go ahead and reveal anything they want that contradict specific facts or interpretations presented in the Nunes memo. They can rectify any omissions, pick their own cherries.
They don’t have to fret at all about revealing the sources and methods of the FBI in this instance impl, because the FBI simply took a longish fictional press release from the Clinton campaign and used it to blow up the right to privacy of any American citizen who got in the way of Hillary’s ambitions.
Funny, the Democrats don’t seem to be making specific presentations of facts. They seem to be spewing angry but vague generalities and giving campaign speeches. Little Obamas, the lot of them.
the President needs to SEND IN THE US MARSHALS WITH MARINES AS BACKUP AND ARREST ALL THOSE TREASONOUS CREATURES AND HOLD THEM AT GITMO FOR A MILITARY TRIAL.
I hear you, no need to scream.
David French (National Review) seems to think the Nunes memo undercuts the administration’s claim that the investigation is the fruit of the Steele dossier:
http://www.nationalreview.com/…..imes-story
The fruit of the poisoned tree theory will emerge when the four Trump associates who were rumbled and rolled by the dossier-fueled deep snooping by federal government agencies file appeals based on solid evidence that their convictions and compelled confessions were products of malicious prosecution, to include bad faith selection of evidence and a blatant intent by several agencies to run a nakedly political prosecution of them.
I’m surprised that nobody is discussing the “vital classified information” aspect of this.
What asshat is claiming that anything about this memo is worthy of being classified, let alone “highly classified”? Reveals secret methods and sources? Really? “We took the opposition research from the Clinton campaign” is hardly a secret method that is now blown to the total advantage of our enemies.
That they are still harping on this after the release of the memo is telling. They really believe we are all completely stupid. And worse, a large slice of the country is putting on their team blinders and believing that whopper – hook, line and sinker.
I am honestly shocked by the lack of attention this angle is getting.
Again, the memo is fake news, partisan, cherry-picked, biased, and containing seriously classified information vital to the inner workings of our stalwart lads at MI5 in combating the Red Menace. All at the same time.
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock, troll?
(As he pats your head)
Casting this as about privacy rights is so fucking cynical.
Tony, hopefully this will bec Me about destroying progressive subversives like you within the federal government. Maybe it will launch the new red scare and era of McCarthyism 2.0 to get rid of you people, with your asociet aspirations, and Maoist dreams.
The other big thing…. we have yet another huge conflict of interest with Deputy Attorney General Ohr’s wife being employed by opposition research firm Fusion GPS. Wheels within wheels.
Also new to me: The FBI also paid for the Fusion GPS memo.
So the Clinton campaign, the DNC (then under the total control of Clinton but with Obama still as the head of the party) and the FBI (under the control of Obama) paid for this political dirt digging.
And we are all OK with this? Really? Nobody who isn’t a Republican hack has a problem with the FBI paying for the production of an opposition research dossier to benefit the party in power?
And nobody has a problem with using that information to obtain a warrant to spy on members of the opposition campaign? Like, just in principle, we aren’t interested in that? It seems pretty far over the line to me, but I am a child of the Nixon era, where one campaign sneaking into the headquarters of another campaign to spy on them was enough to bring a president down. And they didn’t use any of the state apparatus to do it.
Hollywood is hurriedly cranking out a new movie triumphing the Schiff report:
Minority Report II, starring Adam Schiff as himself, courageous defender of all 25,000 FBI agents
Peewee Herman as the arch villain, Devin Nunes
Michael Moore as Carter Page
Chelsea Manning as Lisa Page (no relation to Carter)
Nicolas Cage as Peter Strzok (Nick has trouble getting leading roles anymore and he
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Ouchies.
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From Comey:
“destroyed trust with Intelligence Community”
I for one am tired of hearing this shit. The spooks will show up for work just like everyone else, most have no idea or cares about this. Same when people were bitching about Obama destroying the morale of the military. No he didn’t.
I HATE high up retards in high up positions evoking the little people in their games. As one of the little people I humbly beseech you to stop speaking of us like we are your pawns, you are our flock leader and you are our shepherd.
Pelosi still going on about the Russians. The paranoid delusions on the left are amazing. These people need a mental hospital.
That the stupid cunt Nancy Botox is the leader of any political tribe tells you all you need to know. She makes Palin look like MENSA material.
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Since the bias is obvious, this idiotic pro-Democrat article simply preaches to the choir.
All you need to know about Nancy Pelosi is this: an FBI agent once was convicted of a felony because he used secret, privileged government information on Initial Public Offering (IPO) stock deals to make insider trades. Nancy Pelosi did exactly the same thing, but got away with it because Congress exempted themselves from that law.
Notice that every Democrat assault on the Nunes memo is devoid of fact or any specific information. Their complaints are all highly generalized emotional ranting. Little campaign speeches.
If details were cherry-picked, they can correct that by releasing all that was left out. There is no concern about revealing the sources and methods of the FBI in this matter, because obviously the FBI method in this scandal was to take unvetted, fictional longish press releases from the Clinton campaign and use them to extinguish the privacy rights of any American citizen who stood in the way of Hillary Rodham Clinton.
That undeniable revelation would be top secret only in Democrat paradise.
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Long story short. Nune’s memo makes the case that the FBI used clearly partisan evidence to mislead the FISA court into granting a warrant to investigate an American citizen who was working for the opposing party’s presidential nominee. The relevant responses above are from Comey, who was in charge of the FBI at the time, and Pellosi, who represents the opposition party that produced the “evidence”. Neither disputes the findings of fact in the memo. Instead they make the case that it’s release jeopardizes national security by revealing intelligence methods. Those methods, apparently, consisting of FBI agents obtaining warrants by making fraudulent applications to the FISA court. If the facts are in dispute it would be a simple matter for Comey and Pellosi to make that case. To date they have not done so.
It is a matter of public record, at least as reported in the NYT, that during the transition, the Obama administration scrambled to make any intelligence about Trump associates available throughout the intelligence community purportedly to prevent the incoming administration from hiding incriminating information. It is also a matter of public record that the MSM went on record after the election to inform us that they would not “normalize” a Trump administration. I don’t find it particularly hard to believe that the deep state, the media, the FISA court, and the opposition party would use whatever means available to take Trump down. For the record, I voted for Johnson.
Facts in the memo that Democrats cannot dispute.
1) Carter Page is an American citizen
2) FISA is used for spying on foreigners (the F in FISA stands for foreign)
3) To justify spying on Carter Page, the FBI would have to prove he was secretly a spy being paid by the Russian government.
4) Carter Page is currently a free man, and he was not indicted for anything.
The ludicrous thing is that the Trump dossier was used in the FISA application to spy on Carter Page. What does Carter Page have to do with the Trump dossier? Are they saying Carter Page paid some of the prostitutes to urinate in beds slept in the Obamas? And what does that have to do with anything? The dossier must have written by a real clown. Couldn’t Hillary and the DNC paid a little more money for something better, or did they want to save money by settling for the end of the month special?
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I think it’s been a while since I’ve said this Hihn: you so crazy!
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you the Huffington Post version of Alex Jones?
How hard do you think it is to leak shit to the New York Times? If Trump doesn’t want something public and another party does, they can just leak it. It happens every single day. Not hard.
Thanks, Hinh. I always appreciate reading your posts when you show up. They serve not only as entertainment but also as a reminder of why I cut off all contract with the crazy people I’ve met throughout life. For the latter I am truly grateful.
“THE most dishonest President EVER”
Subjective. Also, Trump has not been convicted of perjury, unlike
I voted for Johnson, but the only lies Trump has made would qualify as marketing exaggerations (such as the size of his inaugural audience which is irrelevant IMHO). Which isn’t any different than most politicians (Rand excepted) from the past 30 years, who set the standard thanks to the MSM.
And considering the lies of the Clintons (“I did not have sexual relations with that woman”, convicted of perjury, “We landed under sniper fire”, “I did not have any classified material on my server”), Obama (“You can keep your plan, your doctor and will save $2500/yr”, “I learned of her server in news reports”, “Benghazi was caused by a video”), or Bush (“I promise a humble foreign policy”), Trump looks like a saint by comparison.
…….certain other presidents.
Except !cCarthy was spot on. If you don’t believe that, go do some homework.
Dead thread-fucking Hihnfection alert (aooooga, aoooooga……danger will robinson, danger)
The information in the Nunes memo is already declassified. The Democrats can use all of the same information and sources declassified in the Nunes memo even without Trump. And why wouldn’t Trump declassify their memo? It’s just going to bury your morons even further since it’s now public knowledge that your party colluded with the FBI to use a fake oppo dossier to spy on the Trump campaign. Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself. Especially when he’s so fucking senile that he thinks he’s helping.
Hihnfection…..red alert.
I still have no idea what you are saying.
Fuck off, Hihnfection
You can post this 50 more times and it doesn’t change the facts you stupid old bitch. None of this information is contested. The jig is up.
Jeez, Hihn’s a real wiiillldddd and carazzzy guy….
It’s a good thing you posted the exact same thing for the 15th time in this thread in case anybody missed the opportunity to shove your Democrat propaganda right back up your incontinent old asshole one last time.
I’ll bet you were. Must have been tough having your comrades exposed like that.
We know you stupid old bitch. You were a stupid young commie same as you’re now a senile demented old commie.
I think their threshold for dropping the banhammer is a little bit higher here. Almost as if they’re okay with people having extremely different viewpoints.
Worse than the made up bogeymen hiding under your hospice bed and putting all that shit in your Depends?
Why, yes. That’s precisely what your pitiful li’l commentary was. Shameful, but typical.
“I am Michael B. Hihn: Drama Queen.”
It’s like when Deep Throat nailed Nixon.
It sure is. Where Nunes is analogous to Deep Throat and Nixon is analogous to your butt boy.
We know your senile dementia makes it difficult for you to remember things, but you should probably recollect one of your party’s sitting presidents being impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. It wasn’t that long ago.
Most of which are subjective evaluations or parsing of words. Trump doesn’t lie one iota than any other president. And importantly, he doesn’t lie under oath like some other recent presidents have.
THE POINT IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THE INFORMATION IS BEING MISCONSTRUED ARE NOT CALLING ON THE PRESIDENT TO DECLASSIFY IT YOU DIAPER-SHIPPING SENILE OLD FUCK.
Now fix your CAPSLOCK key and change your Depends.
All it takes is for Schiff to read it in Congress like Mike Gravel did with the Pentagon Papers.
Of course, that would require Schiff to actually believe his own bullshit, and to have the courage of his conviction.
Ah, no, not really. The House can declassify things themselves, if they really want to. Easy peasy, Total constitutional protection for anything they say in the legislative chambers, all they have to do is read it aloud.
Lol. Spewing about guilty until proven innocent when you’re calling for the impeachment of the president based on a fake dossier compiled by the opposing political party during an election year and weaponized by that party’s executive to spy on his opponent’s campaign. Take your medication you stupid old bitch. All of it. At the same time.
Hihn, given that he can declassify anything, literally no word in the memo is classified.
In one sentence you proclaim Trumo guilty of crimes he hasn’t been charged with them in the next excoriate someone else for condemning others guilty until proven innocent.
Do you see hypocrisy in any of that?
James Comey, Peter Strock, Adam Schiff and many other other Trump opponents are known leakers deciding what gets declassified. Mueller hasn’t found any wrongdoing by Trump, and now his investigation is being undermined by illegal lying and misleading of FISA judges (not to mention biased lead investigators like the demoted Strock, who have blown their credibility), which may result in all their evidence being thrown out.
The only fascists were the ones trying to prevent the Republican memo from being released. They said it would be catastrophic–but I’m still alive and breathing. The Democrat memo will be released in due time, so we have free society in which all viewpoints will be heard.
Don’t worry about you senile old bitch, you’ll be dead from your Alzheimer’s long before the next election. In the meantime you can take 4 or 5 bottles of Viagra and furiously yank your little acorn over that Nancy Pelosi poster on your ceiling.
We kicked the British out, who at the time had the most powerful military in human history, with far less than that. Plus my side has all the guns, the training, and experience. Dirty hippies are good at whining and throwing fits, but not so good in a street fight.
Bottom line, the moment the Marxist left goes too far, they will be wiped off the map.
Senile dementia. It’s easy to forget your diagnosis though. Because of the senile dementia.
He’s likely to declassify all of it since there’s absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing and never has been and the entire investigation has amounted to a partisan witch hunt touched off by a fake oppo “dossier”.
That’s actually a joke, you stupid old bitch. People whose brains aren’t rotted from diseases of old age can generally pick up those but we know you have difficulty. Just keep taking your meds.
The FBI DOJ and intelligence communities are shitting in their pants more than you shit in your Depends because they were trying desperately to cover up their misconduct which has now become public. They have nothing they can release that will mitigate their crimes, let alone exonerate themselves. If they had any such evidence they would have already leaked it just like they did with their fake oppo dossier in the first place. Try to keep up here you senile old bitch.
Awww poor Mikey Hihn the cyber bullied senile old bitch.
What he disagrees with is all of the made up shit you just said. Since none of it is based on facts and is all based on your demented imaginings and a fake oppo dossier that you are still clinging to because you and your fellow shills have nothing else left. It’s hilarious.
You started at junior high level and all you’ve done is copy and paste the same thing a dozen times. Take your medication you stupid diaper-shitting old fuck.
Thanks for taking another opportunity to re-post the same thing for the 16th time and so perfectly demonstrate Sugarsail’s point. Of course you’ve got a leg up on the rest of your party in that you’re already in hospice care.
Watch out, you’re cyberbulling him!
Like Obama, “The most awesom-est President Evah”, should not be in jail for the IRS scandal, for openers?
Trump retard fucks up AGAIN!
Only the exact memo itself. THAT’S WHY IT’S STAMPED AS “DECLASSIFIED” (OMFG)
Do you slurp, while sucking Trump’s cock, troll?
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
(As he pats your head)
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
(As he pats your head)
It’s classified you dumbass. Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
(As he pats your head)
Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock?
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Do you slurp while sucking Donald’s cock, troll?
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“WE did. Not you assholes”
What does that even mean? Marxists? Sorry, the founders were like us, good people who sought freedom, not progressive statists. You’re very confused. It makes it very difficult to help you.
ACTUALLY the founding fathers would have almost certainly rebelled against this tyrannical government long before now. They did it the first time for FAR less BS than is going on now. They would also be opposed to a huge amount of the retarded prog crap going on in this country. Tranny bathroom issue? Pretty sure Washington would tell them to get fucked. He definitely wouldn’t have wanted to bring in low rent, low IQ immigrants from third world shitholes. They were ALL explicit white nationalists actually. Not sure about Washington, but Jefferson wrote on the topic many times, and felt the blacks should be freed because slavery was wrong, but then sent back to Africa because of cultural compatibility issues.
See Hihn, the FFs weren’t pussies like you, or a lot of other libertarians who take extreme positions on libertarian principles. They had the same leanings, but also lived in the real world. They’d be gunning down cunts like Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, Pelosi, etc in the streets right now because they had balls. Fortunately there are millions of REAL MEN left in this country that aren’t pussies like you. And IF and WHEN the left goes too far, they will be taken out, which is exactly what a free people should do to tyrants.
Dumbfuck Hihnsano being especially Hihnsane.
Dumbfuck Hihnsano shitposts throughout several threads, thinks he doesn’t suffer from a chronic mental disorder.
Dumbfuck Hihnsano a mewling pussy who can’t handle mean words.
It’s classified you dumbass.
So de-classify it and clear the record, dumbass.
Dumbfuck Hihnsano can’t handle knowing he’s a hypocritical senile waste of life.
Dumbfuck Hihnsano and his lack of self-awareness.
4. Dumbfuck Hihnsano
Do you beat off to watching your wife get fucked by another man, Elilis?
(As she moans in ecstasy)
Democrats like Adam Schiff leak classified information all the time. Isn’t that declassifying things themselves?
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