Gay Marriage

Australian Voters Say Yes to Gay Marriage Recognition (But There's More to Come)

Nearly two-thirds give a thumb's up, but Parliament still needs to act.

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The results of Australia's mail-in referendum on same-sex marriage are in, and its citizens have significantly declared they would like to see their gay brothers and sisters tie the knot.

In the end, 61.6 percent of voters said yes to legally recognizing same-sex couples. And the country saw nearly 80 percent of its eligible citizens mail back their ballots.

But it's not entirely a done deal. This was a non-binding referendum, and does not actually force the country to recognize gay marriages. The country's Parliament is still going to have to vote to make it legal.

That's kind of what the rather unusual election was about. The more conservative component of the country's ruling coalition remained officially opposed to same-sex marriage recognition and would not allow its members to vote their consciences and defy the party's position. The polls though, showed that Australians widely supported same-sex marriage recognition. So the ruling government called for this nationwide referendum to ask the citizens one single question: Whether to legally recognize same-sex marriage.

This yes vote will now give members of parliament the political cover to go ahead and change the law. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said he'll bring a bill before the Parliament before Christmas. While it appears same-sex marriage is inevitable, there's going to be a familiar-to-Americans fight over what sort of protections to include to account for private religious objections to recognizing same-sex marriages. Stay tuned for a new round of wedding cake wars, perhaps.

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  1. So it is not like the view of the citizens really matters?
    And they want to tell us how to govern.

  2. The polls though, showed that Australians widely supported same-sex marriage recognition.

    But did the polls show that Australians widely recognize same-sex marriage support?

  3. True marriage equality in the law will never occur until the law is entirely out of marriage.

    1. ^This guy gets it.

      1. ^Indeed.

  4. I’m an Australian. I voted but some of my friends didn’t.

    As an Apatheist (apathy is my religion), I really don’t care who sleeps with or marries whom.

    But I’m also an Egalitarian (I don’t care about everyone equally) so, I voted “yes”.

    However, I also believe equality needs to be balanced with religious freedom and freedom of association.

    To my mind, forcing someone to violate their religious beliefs causes much more harm than not being able to buy a cake.

    I particularly don’t like any law which enables the extremist part of any belief set to shove its junk in other people’s faces and rub their noses in it.

    I hope the pollies can come up with something that doesn’t simply change which group is allowed to be discriminated against but I don’t have much faith in them.

    Whatever the conservative government does, once Labor gets back in, they’ll just change the law so that it’s illegal to be against gay marriage in any way, shape or form.

    Funny how some people can always make equality about f*cking people over.

    1. If by “some people” you mean the mainstream of the gay-rights movement…

    2. We had our Supreme Court create the right to gay marry out of thin air.

      Under our Constitutional Democratic Republic, rights not mentioned in our Constitution are reserved for the People and the states.

      Gays being able to marry each other has never been a custom nor something society wanted, so its never been a recognized natural right like self-defense. The US states would be to allow it or disallow it, just like they could recognize or not recognize regular marriages.

      It will just come down to the US government getting out the business of marriage and simply recognizing marriage contracts for public records.

    3. The correct way to handle a majority support of gay marriage, would be to add an Amendment to our Constitution. Of course, their is not enough support for that. So, the government decided to people to marry gay people they don’t want to marry and bake cakes when they don’t want to bake cakes.

      It violates an established constitutional right to freedom of association but the gay crusaders don’t care as long as they get “marriage equality”. Of course they never wanted true “marriage equality” because polygamous marriage and marriage to beasts and inanimate objects are still not legal.

  5. We can’t have gays kissing! The wingnut GOP world will explode and Jeeby won’t come back to sort the good’uns from the bad’uns.

    1. The lefties haves always been against gay equality until just a few years ago when they needed some outrage.

      Don’t let them fool you.

  6. Well the Buttplug is here for a few minutes anyway. I’m hoping one of the conservative nutbags like Tom Bombelli (sp?) stops by to explain the latest GOP idiocy to me.

    1. Which Australian political party are you referring to?

    2. Palin’s Buttplug|11.14.17 @ 9:22PM|#
      “Well the Buttplug is here for a few minutes anyway.”

      And turd, we are all the worse for it.
      Fuck off.

    3. Its almost as if you work at Reason and just want web traffic.

  7. We all know where this leads, Now Australians will marry koalas and kangaroos.

    1. When a man feels love for another man,
      You know things are not going according to God’s plan.
      What’s a pious man supposed to do,
      When another man craves another man’s didgeridoo?
      Can one deny, that if these feelings grew,
      Vows will next be traded with a koala and a kangaroo?
      We must fight these deviations,
      So must it be for all the nations.
      SIV is strong, his heart shan’t quicken,
      But wait, here comes another chicken.

      1. {the most prim and effete golf clap you ever heard}

  8. Also, the Roy Moore trolling the Alabamastan malls for jailbait news keeps getting weirder. The Aborto-Freaks on h&R are the only ones defending that scumbag now.

    Where is Sevo or LoveCons1789? I need for them to tell me what a great Christian Conservative that scumbag is so I can laugh at them.

    1. If you want to talk to them about that be prepared to defend every Democrat who’s ever done anything wrong, for some reason.

      1. You want a reason?

        You are saying the voters should turn the government over to the Democratic Party because of a Republican who is accused of fondling teenage girls.

        Since that’s your position, it behooves you to show how much better the Democrats are than the Republicans – for instance, on the issue of sexual abuse.

        So go ahead and wow us with your reasoning.

        1. Or, let me guess, you’re simply endorsing a third party in that race, like the write-in Libertarian candidate? That’s who you’d vote for now that Moore disgusts you so much? If that’s so, I apologize for calling you democratic apologists.

        2. Yes, someone who, as an adult and district attorney, has the good sense not to finger-fuck teen girls.

          But you are an Aborto-Freak yourself. Thus good judgement is something you want to impose on others while you deprive them of freedom.

          1. Again, do you endorse Ron Bishop, the LP write-in candidate for U. S. Senate in Alabama?

            https://ron-lpalabama.nationbuilder.com/

            You claim to be a libertarian, you have no problem with abortion rights, neither does Bishop, the only thing he *doesn’t* want is tax-subsidized abortions, but as a libertarian you’re against those, too, I assume?

            (Prediction: You’re not going to endorse the libertarian candidate because you are a Democratic partisan)

            1. Well, I will answer your question honestly.

              I would LOVE for a real libertarian win. And I have no issue with him not supporting taxpayer funded scrapes.

              But if I were voting in Alabamastan I would vote for Jones because I want gridlock in Washington DC. The Dems need to block the worst of Trump’s agenda.

              I LOVE GRIDLOCK!

              1. So it doesn’t bother you that Jones supports an organization which covers up worse sexual abuse than what Moore is accused of?

                1. No. I fully support Planned Parenthood. I am a Darwinist.

                  1. The accusations of sex-abuse cover up against PP are much more numerous and credible than the accusations of abuse against Moore.

                    1. You had a chance to endorse a candidate who *isn’t* linked to sex abuse, which one might presume you would given your moral indignation, but then you endorse Jones.

                    2. The child molester Roy Moore is uniquely repulsive. He needs to lose by any democratic method.

                    3. Do you see why your protestations of “whataboutism” ring hollow, since you endorsed Jones, his BFFs at Planned Parenthood, and the Democratic Party, even when you had the option of endorsing a libertarian (I should have called him a “fellow libertarian” since you’re a libertarian too, of course).

                    4. So…tell us about the record of the Democrats where sex abuse is concerned.

                    5. You misunderstand.

                      If in Alabamstan I would 1) vote FOR gridlock 2) vote to deny a Senate seat to a child molester.

                      that is hardly an endorsement for Jones.

                    6. But you’d vote for him?

                    7. (that is pretty much a rhetorical question, we know that you’d vote for Jones if you were an Alabama voter)

                    8. But you’d vote for him?

                      Of course I would. I want gridlock.

                      And if Bernie Sanders were POTUS I would vote straight GOP.

                    9. If that’s your stance – if you cast ballots for Republicans as well as Democrats if gridlock is thereby promoted – then I wonder what happened to the Buttplug that we used to know.

                    10. Palin’s Buttplug|11.14.17 @ 11:34PM|#

                      But you’d vote for him?

                      “Of course I would. I want gridlock.”

                      Strange how turd has somehow, uh, changed points of view?
                      Naah. He’s a fucking hypocrite trying desperately to find some way to avoid being called for what he is.
                      Go fuck your daddy, turd. It’s the best you can possibly achieve.

      2. -use R voters’ acceptance of R candidate’s crimes to declare that Rs are worse people than Ds

        -see other commenters citing equal-&-opposite examples of Ds accepting D candidates’ crimes

        -continue to insist that Rs are worse people than Ds

        (from “Tony’s Guide To Master Debating”, c 2017 Simon & Schuster)

        1. How about we just agree on the kid fuckers? Too much to ask?

          1. We DO agree on the kid fuckers, you disingenuous twat. There was no point where we did not agree on the kid fuckers. We disagree on whether Republican voters are worse human beings than Democrat voters. That is the only thing we have been disagreeing about.

            1. Worse is as worse does. Like supporting kid fuckers for senate.

              1. -use R voters’ acceptance of R candidate’s crimes to declare that Rs are worse people than Ds

                -see other commenters citing equal-&-opposite examples of Ds accepting D candidates’ crimes

                -continue to insist that Rs are worse people than Ds

                -see other commenters point out the logical conclusion from their cited examples that Tony should have had the basal faculties to extrapolate for himself, eg that if Ds are just as inclined to support D candidates who have committed sexual crimes as Rs are inclined to support R candidates who have committed sexual crimes, “support for candidates that have committed sexual crimes” cannot be used as a delineating factor when attempting to discern moral rank between the two groups

                -continue to insist that Rs are worse people than Ds

                (from “Tony’s Guide To Master Debating, 2nd Edition”, c 2017 Simon & Schuster)

          2. Do you not remember conversations we had two nights ago?

            1. “Do you not remember conversations we had two nights ago?”

              He was drunk. No more stupid than normal but drunk, so he probably couldn’t remember his Mom’s name.
              He’s plenty stupid sober, but worse drunk.

      3. “If you want to talk to them about that be prepared to defend every Democrat who’s ever done anything wrong, for some reason.”

        Poor scumbag loser. Busted every time he tries some misdirection or other. Blames those sho call him on his bullshit and hopes no one figures it out.
        Fuck off, scumbag.

    2. Aw Butt, you have short term memory loss. You should get that checked out.

      Roy Moore will win his Senate senate seat and then he will be pushed to resign the seat. This way another special election will be held so another Republican will win that Senate seat.

    3. Aw Butt, remember when you said that we should stay on topic of Roy Moore in the Roy Moore article comments?

      I wonder why you are wanting to talk about Roy Moore in a gay marriage in Australia article comment area?

  9. “The more conservative component of the country’s ruling coalition remained officially opposed to same-sex marriage recognition and would not allow its members to vote their consciences and defy the party’s position.”

    Which is fairly standard in parliamentary democracies where voters vote for the party, not the candidate. In such countries, who cares what kind of conscience the individual politicians claim to have?

  10. If 3 males can not form a marriage, or a mother and her two daughters….or 2 brothers…. or 3 females and 5 males…then marriage equality has not arrived, and all the celebrating is phony.

  11. Trick question! They wave them both directions.

  12. BREAKING NEWS: Economically Illiterate Zimbabwean Dictator Possibly Overthrown By Hopefully Less Economically Illiterate Would-Be Dictators

    Here’s hoping Maduro is seeing this as the Ghost of Christmas Future.

    1. Linky:

      “Zimbabwe’s Military Commandeers State TV as Gunfire, Explosion Heard in Capital”
      https://www.wsj.com/ articles/explosions-heard-in- zimbabwes-capital-1510712556

      And hopey.
      If it gets worse, it’s ’cause Trump!

        1. Surely you can humble-brag harder than that.

          1. Nah, it’s really nothing. I’m a highly paid computer scientist, so it’s not big deal to do a little html there.

            1. Skilled form in referencing your salary level and use of the phrase “no big deal”, but points subtracted for failing to include a “nothing compared to that time when”-style anecdote about how you saved your office network from code-vikings or something.

              1. Yeah, I’m not too good at humble bragging. That was actually my first time.

                1. Subtlety *and* leaning into the false humility. You advance rapidly.

        2. “For convenience’s sake.”
          Why, thank you for assisting this poor old person across the street. Are you a Boy Scout by any chance?

          1. I was, in fact, a boy scout. But my life goal is to teach everyone on this website how to embed a hyperlink.

            1. “I was, in fact, a boy scout. But my life goal is to teach everyone on this website how to embed a hyperlink.”

              I design physical products, but only once or twice a year, since I have to find a need for one of them and also have to develop the marketing approach at the same time. As a result, I don’t use CAD, since *that* requires you to be proficient in the use of the CAD program, not in the design of the product, and none of which programs are anything like intuitive and all requiring hours of practice to use.
              Similarly, I really don’t give a hoot regarding some short-cut I’ve learned and forgotten many times. If Reason can’t find a way to accept full addys, well, fuck ’em. It’s only one of several reasons they no longer get a penny from me
              So Boy-Scout your way along the path of life! Fine by me.

              1. That’s a reasonable thing. I definitely have my tools I hate using because I don’t want to bother with the learning curve and it comes up so rarely that who cares?

  13. Well at least they have popular support for gay equality rather than the US Supreme Court just making up rights out of thin air.

  14. With Gay Marriage now legal, are we going to end benefits for domestic partnerships?

    1. Based on America’s experience, they’ll become much less popular very quickly, and different justifications will phase them out over time, but there will still be the occasional legal case where some oddity if the law forces a weird conclusion (like “you can’t marry, because you’re in a civil union. But we don’t recognize your civil union, so you can’t dissolve it here”)

      In short: it’ll be a mess for a while.

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