A.M. Links: Mitch McConnell vs. Roy Moore, Donald Trump Jr. and Wikileaks, British Prime Minister Accuses Putin of Election Meddling

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  Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: "I believe the women." Roy Moore "should step aside."

• "Donald Trump Jr. has released exchanges he had with the WikiLeaks Twitter account via direct messages during the 2016 presidential campaign."
• Attorney General Jeff Sessions will testify today before the House Judiciary Committee about the Trump campaign and Russia.
• British Prime Minister Theresa May has accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of working to "undermine free societies" by meddling in elections. "We know what you are doing," May said.
• For the first time in nearly 60 years, the Italian national soccer team has failed to qualify for the World Cup tournament.
• The death toll from the earthquake in Iran has now climbed to 530.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: "I believe the women." Roy Moore "should step aside."

Someone knows which way the wind is blowing.

[Enjoy Every Sandwich]

I believe the women too, in spite of the fact that Mitch McConnell has no credibility with me.

No, I can't "prove it". Moore just strikes me as creepy and the sort who would abuse his power. My opinion doesn't mean shit, anyway, as I don't live in Alabama.

[damikesc]

Moore is creepy. The Democrats, in their infinite wisdom, nominated an even worse candidate (abortion until the head emerges from the birth canal? in Alabama? Fucking really?)

[Enjoy Every Sandwich]

True. It's just another example of why a choice between Republicans and Democrats is, at its very very best, a matter of what you consider to be "the least fucked up". And some people (including some posters here) think the problem with our society is that people like that don't have enough power.

[Mike Laursen]

I read that as: "I believe the women should step aside."

Guess I need to go back to drinking caffeinated coffee.

[Spartacus]

I'm waiting for someone to dig up a case where Roy Moore sent someone to prison for years for doing the exact same thing. Of course, those who are not persuaded by sexual predation are not going to change their minds over mere sociopathic hypocrisy.

[Bee Tagger]

British Prime Minister Theresa May has accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of working to "undermine free societies" by meddling in elections. "We know what you are doing," May said.

"You, too" - Russian hackers

[Rhywun]

It's refreshing to know that England isn't hacking any elections.

[damikesc]

Or attempting to meddle.

Provided one ignores 2004, when the British media specifically requested Brits bother Americans to vote for Kerry.

[Bee Tagger]

Attorney General Jeff Sessions will testify today before the House Judiciary Committee about the Trump campaign and Russia.

For so many reasons, can we just call this period of time in American history "The Disappointment Sessions" ?

[Rhywun]

The Struggle Sessions seems more apt.

[Mitsima]

The Hunger Sessions

[loveconstitution1789]

Cut the Kulebyaka pie into Sessions.

[CE]

The Crying Sessions.

[Bee Tagger]

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: "I believe the women." Roy Moore "should step aside."

I believe so many women you could fill a binder with them.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Looks like the GOP is in a real bind here.

[loveconstitution1789]

Expect McConnell to identify as a Wo-man soon.

[Rhywun]

For their sake, the Republicans better start assembling a stable of accusatory women for after the mid-term elections. You never know when one could come in handy.

[Mickey Rat]

McConnell may be right, but it is an awfully convenient argument for him.

[Bee Tagger]

"Donald Trump Jr. has released exchanges he had with the WikiLeaks Twitter account via direct messages during the 2016 presidential campaign."

Infinity-dimension chess

[Conchfritters]

Don Jr. is basically the knight. He makes funky moves all over the board.

[loveconstitution1789]

Trump's knight balls just hitting the heads of the Left's ponds as he does his funky moves.

The left thinks that their Black Knight should always triumph but its the white knight that is making them look bad.

[loveconstitution1789]

He has just been miles ahead of the left's moves.

The biggest barrier to draining the swamp is actually RINOs in Congress.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Donald Trump Jr. has released exchanges he had with the WikiLeaks Twitter account via direct messages during the 2016 presidential campaign."

His old man is so disappointed. What's the use of twittering if everyone can't see your awesome tweets?

[Fist of Etiquette]

British Prime Minister Theresa May has accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of working to "undermine free societies" by meddling in elections.

Only domestic politicians get to underhandedly influence voters.

[DJF]

So it was Putin not May who was against Brexit which was popular with British voters?

It was Putin not May who was Home Secretary who allowed masses of migrants into Britain which was not popular with British voters?

It was Putin not May who ran an negative campaign while providing the voters any reason to vote for her?

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Yes, I have it right here on facebook.

[CE]

They almost got California to leave though, so it hasn't all been bad.

[Fist of Etiquette]

For the first time in nearly 60 years, the Italian national soccer team has failed to qualify for the World Cup tournament.

I know all those words but that sentence makes no sense to me.

[Rhywun]

It means a four-year mourning period in Italy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Does this soccer thing only happen every four years? Well, at least that's something.

[Marty Feldman's Eyes]

For the first time in nearly 60 years, the Italian national soccer team has failed to qualify for the World Cup tournament.

Don't know if they still are but they used to be the worst for flopping. Maybe they can use the next four years to thinking about how their playing style turns people off to the sport. Ha ha who am I kidding they'll spend four years in acting classes honing their fake-injury skills.

[CE]

You know who else failed to qualify for the World Cup?

[Mike Laursen]

The Chicago Cubs?

[loveconstitution1789]

If you people think the left's accusations of diddling kids is the last time this will be used in the next 12 months, you have not been paying attention.

The left will literally do anything to stop Trump. Since the Senate is 52 to 48 and Murkowski and Collins often side with the left, the Democrats are trying to grab Senate seats to halt any Trump agenda.

The left is super scared.

[Conchfritters]

It will be 51-49 after the special election in Alabammysaw in a couple of weeks. Thanks redneck tide rollers.

[Palin's Buttplug]

The left is super scared.

Not just the "left". We all remember the last time the GOP ran all branches of government. The Bushpigs left us losing two wars, GDP was NEGATIVE 8.9%, 750,000 job losses a month, millions of foreclosures, and a $1.2 trillion deficit.

We need gridlock.

[loveconstitution1789]

Lets cut government by 50%+ too. Lets gut Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare. Cut defense by 50%+.

Are you onboard socialist? Yeah, I thought not.

Boooosh was a RINO and was not conservative in the least. Your numbers seem a bit fishy. Citation for GDP would be needed.

Wasn't the housing collapse in 2008 after Obama took office? That was mostly caused by The Fed's monetary policy and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. More government blunders.

[Conchfritters]

When most of the GOP supports deficit spending, world wide war, high taxes, and Obamacare, can you really call them a RINO anymore?

[loveconstitution1789]

You do have a point but the Republican platform does mention fiscal conservatism and limited government, so RINOs would be ones who violate that party platform pledge.

[BYODB]

At this point, guys like Rand Paul are the RINO's.

We're basically left with the choice of Democrat-Lite or Socialists. Not a great choice.

[loveconstitution1789]

That will allow principled Libertarians to be clear different political candidate.

[colorblindkid]

All of which were the result of largely bipartisan efforts spanning 2 decades.

[damikesc]

Not just the "left". We all remember the last time the GOP ran all branches of government. The Bushpigs left us losing two wars, GDP was NEGATIVE 8.9%, 750,000 job losses a month, millions of foreclosures, and a $1.2 trillion deficit.

You're aware that occurred after Dems ran Congress, right?

That $1.2B deficit? Budget Bush didn't sign --- but Obama did. Odd.

Tell us more about how the Republicans running all branches of government led to all of this.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Wrong.

By Jeanne Sahadi, CNNMoney.com senior writer
Last Updated: January 7, 2009: 5:00 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The U.S. budget deficit in 2009 is projected to spike to a record $1.2 trillion, or 8.3% of gross domestic product, the Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

The CBO said the deficit would be $1.2 trillion BEFORE Obama was inaugurated.

[Palin's Buttplug]

It wasn't a "budget". It was an actual deficit. There is a big difference.

And Congress did not create the deficit. The only legislation passed was Bush's TARP.

[Palin's Buttplug]

And Congress did not create the deficit ALONE.

(rather)

[loveconstitution1789]

Obama could have worked with a Democrat controlled Congress to cut that budget deficit.

I guess having deficits are not really that important to lefties.

[Palin's Buttplug]

Obama could have worked with a Democrat controlled Congress to cut that budget deficit.

He did, you idiot.

The deficit was below $500 billion by 2015.

[Fuck =><= sevo]

Listen you lying rape apologist fuck, you've been proven a liar time and again over these TARP related Obama owned metrics.

Stop already, you lie and we know it. You seem to think it's clever to artificially delineate the time frames and lie about it. It isn't.

It's as transparent as you lying about being a rape apologist or paying off your bet, you sociopathic fuck.

[loveconstitution1789]

Hey idiot. You might want to check yourself before you wreck yo-self.

Federal deficit in 2008 is about $450B. For the first year of Obama's administration in 2009 it jumps to $1.4 trillion. This is when Democrats controlled Congress too.
CRFB
The by 2015, the deficit returns to about $500B.

[Azathoth!!]

No, that all happened AFTER the Dems took control of Congress in 2007.

Nice try though.

[Mitsima]

We need federalism and limited and enumerated powers, but I'll settle for infinite gridlock.

[loveconstitution1789]

We need gridlock after repealing ObamaCare.

[CE]

That may be true, but that doesn't mean the Repubs shouldn't distance themselves from the creeps in their midst.

[Jerryskids]

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: "I believe the women." Roy Moore "should step aside."

The real issue is that Moore apparently only went after white girls - no boys, no transgendered, no blacks. That is simply unacceptable discrimination in this day and age.

[Mitsima]

+1

Gah! Why didn't I think of that? My empathy is so weak, my privilege so strong. Curse my patriarchal soul.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Attorney General Jeff Sessions will testify today before the House Judiciary Committee about the Trump campaign and Russia.

SHOULD BE AT THE HAGUE.

[Rich]

Senate Democrats who have interrogated him remain frustrated by Sessions' evasion of questions that touch on his private conversations with Trump about the matter, even though the president has not claimed the discussions were subject to executive privilege. Sessions has said he won't talk about the conversations in case Trump later decides to claim privilege.

That's almost as good a loophole as "I have no such recollection."

[damikesc]

I'd prefer him just say "Fuck you, that's why"

[Rich]

Twice in recent weeks, French courts refused to prosecute grown men for rape after they had sex with 11-year-olds because authorities couldn't prove coercion.

The Senate should withdraw fromoverturn any agreements with France.

[Zeb]

The bill has gained importance amid worldwide concern unleashed by the allegations against Harvey Weinstein.

I start to get the feeling that all the reaction to this is a lot of "oh, shit, we'd better do something before everyone realizes that we are all creeps and/or have always known that this kind of stuff goes on".

[Rhywun]

worldwide concern unleashed by the allegations against Harvey Weinstein

Uh huh. "Concern"? Does anyone think that 95% of the world even knows who the hell that is?

[Eidde]

"Thank heaven...for little girls..."

"Shut up, Maurice, this isn't the time."

[Rich]

BeautifulMost delightful.

[This Machine Chips Fascists]

^this

[Rhywun]

have always known that this kind of stuff goes on

Yeah, especially Hollywood. I don't see a lot of the media asking them what took you guys so long.

[Eidde]

You mean all those jokes about casting couches were based on reality? Who could have guessed?

[loveconstitution1789]

You better couch that joke...

[Eidde]

True story*, when Japan's governing party proposed a bill to forbid jacking off to tentacle porn, their party's support went from 68% to 17% overnight.

*not really

[colorblindkid]

Kurt Eichenwald personally led the opposition.

[colorblindkid]

Emmanual Macron was 15 when he met his wife, who was his (married) 39-year old teacher at the time. They claim to not have gotten sexually involved until 17, but does anybody actually believe that?

Imagine if that was a politician here.

The NY Post headlines would be a sight to behold.

[Eidde]

HOT FOR TEACHER - MACRON MET HIS WIFE WHEN HE WAS A RANDY SCHOOLBOY AND SHE WAS A MILF

CRADLE-ROBBING TEACHER TAUGHT MACRON MORE THAN HIS ABCS

IF THIS IS HOW HE MET HIS WIFE, IMAGINE HOW KINKY HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS MISTRESS MUST BE!

[Eidde]

TEACHER WANTED TO SEE HIM AFTER SCHOOL: HOW MACRON WAS THE LUCKIEST BASTARD IN FROGGY SCHOOL

[loveconstitution1789]

That's some hot macaroni!

[Conchfritters]

British Prime Minister Theresa May has accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of working to "undermine free societies" by meddling in elections. "We know what you are doing,"

The CIA meddled in 81 elections between 1946-2000. Scoreboard bitch.

[Eidde]

Like loveconstitution1789 said, if there later develops proof of the allegations, and if 34-years-ago behavior is actually disqualifying, the remedy is for Moore - if he's elected - to resign in disgrace (just like Ted Kennedy!) and for a special election to fill his seat.

Of course, from the Democrat point of view this misses the point, since a special election would probably be won by another Republican. So if Moore wins and there's later 100% bona fide proof of the charges, the Dems won't care because it won't serve their goal of getting an extra Dem seat in the Senate.

[Mitsima]

Funny the things everyone knows, but so few will admit to themselves.

[Eidde]

Fortunately for Moore, if he's elected and a move develops to expel him, that would require a 2/3 Senate vote.

Unless the Senate followed Moore's version of constitutional law in the Ellison case, and could rule someone the didn't like to be "disqualified," which only takes a majority vote. Fortunately for Moore, disqualification can only be done on narrow grounds (youth, alienage, etc.) specified in the Constitution, and isn't a catchall power to purge undesirables from congress by a bare majority.

So it's unlikely to see Moore hoist by his own petard, but maybe it will make him reconsider his doctrines.

Fortunately for Moore, if he's elected and a move develops to expel him, that would require a 2/3 Senate vote.

Slam dunk. You don't think every Dem and at least 18 Repubs would vote to expel?

[Fuck =><= sevo]

Nope, and if you do, you're an idiot.

[creech]

In all the rush to interview McCain about his views on Moore, has any reporter had the balls to ask him how the attack on Moore is different than the way McCain was accused of screwing campaign aides and abandoning his wife during cancer treatments? If I was McCain I'd shut up and disappear, much like Billy C. has, during this shitstorm.

[BYODB]

McCain is currently considered one of the 'good' Republicans by Democrats and the Media, so I don't think he has a lot to worry about quite yet. That assumes he continues bad mouthing the Don. If he stops doing that, and thinks that maybe he should be President, all bets are off. I don't see that happening, though.

[Eidde]

"For the first time in nearly 60 years, the Italian national soccer team has failed to qualify for the World Cup tournament."

OMG you buried the lede this is the WORST THING EVER!

(That and the earthquake)

[colorblindkid]

While I would love to see both the entire Clinton family and entire Trump family in prison, what makes Trump's actions collusion but the Steele Dossier not?

The Steele Dossier relied on Russian sources and Russian intel, and was paid for by members of the Clinton team. Is that not collusion because the things said in it are probably true? So even if Trump got intel about Clinton from a Russian source, it wouldn't be collusion unless it was fake?

This entire investigation reeks of the stupid Benghazi investigation.

[Sevo]

Moonbeam speaks for us all! Or, fantasizes such:
"California Gov. Jerry Brown to world climate leaders in Germany: '#WeAreStillIn'"
[...]
""We are here to forge partnerships," Brown said in a telephone interview Monday from Bonn, Germany. "People are very glad America is represented. It's not just California, but Virginia, Washington, Oregon ? "
http://www.sfchronicle.com/bay.....354484.php

I sure hope the CA taxpayers aren't footing the bill for this nonsense.

[Rhywun]

During a Saturday speech in Bonn, the governor was heckled by a group of protestors concerned that he's done too little to restrict oil drilling and fracking at home.

What a fool.

Normal Germans have had it up to here with the doubling of their power bills and this gasbag hippy bows and scrapes to their eco-twit losers.

[Rebel Scum]

British Prime Minister Theresa May has accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of working to "undermine free societies" by meddling in elections.

The red-coats have a free society?

[Eidde]

No, because Putin made the UK voters vote for Brexit.

[loveconstitution1789]

I know the Russians got Georgian voters to vote for Karen Handel over Jon Ossoff in the special election in 2017.

[Sevo]

Headline prediction:
"More Than 100,000,000 More Americans Have High Blood Pressure Since Trump Was Elected"

Well, it's true!
"The American Heart Association has changed the definition of hypertension for the first time in 14 years, moving the number from the old standard of 140/90 to the newly revised 130/80.
The changes are expected to drastically impact adult Americans: revising the hypertension threshold downward will increase the percent of U.S. adults living with high blood pressure from 32 percent to 46 percent -- nearly half of the adult population."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/1.....d=51121618

[DJF]

Quick, Buy Blood Pressure medicine stocks!!!!!!!!

[loveconstitution1789]

My blood pressure is 120/80, is that bad?

Adjusting information based on scientific results is a good thing but why is part of the recommendation that people know what their BP is on a regular basis early in life and any deviations from that would be more of a red flag than some BP number for all humans.

[BestUsedCarSales]

No, might be good to try to get the second number into the 70 range.

But I do actually have high blood pressure, and my number when I first went in was 163/109. You're probably doing okay.

[loveconstitution1789]

Jesus Christ BUCS, 163/109! How are you not dead already?

A lot of people get really nervous when medical testing is done, so their BP shoots way up. If not, you need to do something to get that BP down. STAT.

[BestUsedCarSales]

I do, I'm on medication. Though we still haven't discovered why my blood pressure is that way. I'm 28, normal weight, ultrasound showed no heart defects, not diabetic, cholesterol is fine. Medication keeps it under control, but it's still disconcerting that I have this issue with no obvious reason why.

[loveconstitution1789]

Bummer that they cannot find the cause.

It could be Libertarianism causing the higher BP. I know that I am constantly charged up with corrupt shit happening in government.

[BestUsedCarSales]

My high stress is actually my best guess.

[Atlas Slugged]

Its not common but they need to rule out renal artery stenosis as well.

I've had people in my clinic at 196/120; they did not medicate themselves properly obviously.

[John]

I do not believe the Senate has the power to vote to expel a legally elected Senator for conduct which is neither legally disqualifying nor occurred while he was in the Senate. To say they do is to effectively give the Senate veto power over the wishes of the electorate. You like your Senator? Too bad Washington doesn't and they are going to refuse to seat him.

It shows how vacuous and craven our current political class is that they do not understand there are larger issues here than Roy Moore or whoever wins this week's news cycle. Expelling Moore, assuming he is elected, for anything other than being legally ineligible to serve or for conduct that occurred while he was in the Senate would be a disaster for the country. What begins with Moore would eventually degenerate into the Senate expelling anyone the Washington establishment has decided it doesn't like.

[loveconstitution1789]

Constitution, Art. I, Sec. 2:
The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.

Art.I, Sec 3:
Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.

[John]

That is an impeachment of judges and members of the executive branch. Congress creatures are not impeached. They are subject to expulsion. And that power comes from Article 1 Section 5 which states

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

The rules governing that are up to the House and Senate. Both the House and the Senate rules say that you can only be subject to expulsion for violations of "any law, rule, regulation, or other standard of conduct applicable to the conduct of such Member... in the performance of his duties or the discharge of his responsibilities"

So they would have to change the rules in order to expel Moore. Could they do it? Probably but it would be an outragious affront to the Constitution and democracy.

[loveconstitution1789]

John, then why would the Constitution describe the House's "sole power of impeachment" when it also describes the Senate's power of impeachment?

Congress has sole power of impeachment over the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches. The House is the only body that can impeach representatives. The Senate is the only body that can impeach Senators.

The fact that the House and Senate call impeachment "expulsion" is really semantics. Impeachment is the term used in the Constitution to remove members of the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches.

[John]

Impeachment is a term of art that does not encompass members of the legislative branch. It is what it is.

[loveconstitution1789]

Yet, the Constitution lists "impeachment" specifically for both the House and Senate.

You are just wrong on this one.

[John]

No I am not. This is so well established.

[CE]

...that power comes from Article 1 Section 5 which states

Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.

And yet this will be labeled a "Constitutional crisis" when it occurs.

The Constitution plainly states that the Senate can expel a Senator for any reason they like as long as 2/3 of them agree, which is nearly impossible by design.

What begins with Moore would eventually degenerate into the Senate expelling anyone the Washington establishment has decided it doesn't like.

2/3 of the senate have to face election themselves in less than 2 or 4 years. Seems like enough of a check on FYTW usage of the expulsion power.

[John]

See my post above. They can only do it by their own rules which do not currently grant jurisdiction over offenses committed before coming into office.

[Tony]

First they came for the kid fuckers, and I said nothing...

[John]

Yes, Tony they are called principles. Since you have none, it is not surprising you are confused by those who do. And principles apply to everyone, even if you don't like them or they are not a good person. At some point, I would think you would at least be curious about what it is like to have any integrity. But curiosity and honesty are just not things you do.

[Tony]

Between the two of us you're the one defending a child molester, and I'm the one with a principles problem?

[John]

yes, Tony, the rules apply to everyone equally. The more you scream about "child molester" like it matters the more you prove my point.

[Tony]

Your argument is that the senate should not expel a child molester from the senate because it will cause a slippery slope to all sorts of expulsions for all sorts of reasons. As if child molestation isn't kind of on its own plane of horrible.

What's it going to be next month, John? Shall I research the party affiliations of known serial killers so I can see you jump to the defense of those with (R) after their names?

[John]

Yes. My argument is that the Senate doesn't have the power to expel someone for misconduct that was known at the time of the election and happened before they got into office. The nature of that misconduct is irrelevant. That is why it is a principle. All you are doing in response is yelling about how you don't like Moore and will believe any accusation against him because you don't. You are just proving my point.

[Tony]

Your argument is just factually wrong. The senate can expel Moore for being morally depraved, or for any reason it likes. The constitution gives them that power. Are they never supposed to exercise it, even to get rid of a child molester?

You're not actually defending your party in the way the party has decided to go. It has decided it's not a good look for them to get behind a dirty old child molester. Why can't you just get on board with that? Why are you dying on this hill? It's bizarre.

[John]

No it can't. It can only expel by the terms of its own rules. And its rules say that you can't be subject to expulsion for actions that do not relate to your duties in the Senate. That is the rules as they are. To change them for one case would be wrong.

[Tony]

It would be wrong? Wronger than molesting a child?

[MarkLastname]

Suppose a convicted felon (child molestor, if you please) who served their time and was released, gets elected to the senate. Would bring an ex-con be grounds for expulsion?

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony|11.14.17 @ 12:32PM|#
It would be wrong? Wronger than molesting a child?

Senators have killed babies before which is more wrong than molestation. Some call abortion murder and those female Senators who had abortions, would fall in that category.

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony, remember when that kid fucker Jeffrey Epstein had the "Lolita express" and Bill Clinton was all in that?

You really didn't say anything, did you?

[Tony]

Fuck you and your whataboutism bullshit. It's exhausting. And that's the point isn't it?

Go defend child fuckers to people who aren't utterly disgusted by you.

[BYODB]

It's just that it's hard not to note your very selective outrage in those matters.

[Tony]

I'm supposed to express outrage at every bad thing ever done by every human in order to be credibly opposed to a child molesting senator?

[Fuck =><= sevo]

No, just the previous sex offenders you ignored.

[Tony]

I've never defended anyone's sexual crimes. Glad to clear that up.

The subject is Roy Moore. Not Bill Clinton. Not Adolph Hitler. Not aliens from the Andromeda galaxy.

The fact that you want to make it about someone else is tantamount to you DEFENDING KID FUCKING BECAUSE THE KID FUCKER IS A REPUBLICAN. Stop it before you embarrass yourselves more.

[Fuck =><= sevo]

"I've never defended anyone's sexual crimes. Glad to clear that up."

Who said defend clown shoes?

"The subject is Roy Moore. Not Bill Clinton"

Not to people who have seen you say there is a difference between the sexual abuse of women because of age it isn't.

You think it's perfectly acceptable to use a power differential to abuse a woman sexually, as long as she's over 18.

Others think you're abhorrent and a hypocrite for thinking that.

Whatever else you want to make this about, it isn't. You don't care about sexual abuse. We have watched you and your ilk say so since Bill was impeached.

[Tony]

If Bill Clinton had an (R) after his name you'd defend him too. The dude's presidency was derailed and, as you mention, he was impeached, all by people who were at that very moment committing worse sexual crimes than a consensual BJ.

The problem with Bill Clinton is that it's difficult to know which accusations are credible and which are part of the multi-decade Republican smear campaign against him and his wife. Remember how you morons spent some time last year trying to convince yourselves that Hillary, somehow, was at fault for Bill's indiscretions?

And since we're still talking about Bill Clinton, I'll chalk this up as another instance of you acting in defense of child molester Roy Moore.

[Fuck =><= sevo]

If Bill Clinton had an (R) after his name you'd "defend him too"

If you could read, you'd see how stupid that statement is.

"And since we're still talking about Bill Clinton, I'll chalk this up as another instance of you acting in defense of child molester Roy Moore."

Of course you will, it's the only way you can disteact from the very real fact that you habe been defending a sexual abuser, and now you're trying to pretend you're credible.

Roy Moore is a disgusting piece of filth. So is Bill Clinton. There is no difference, functionally, between their behavior, but YOU keep making distinctions. YOU keep insisting a proven sex offender should be ignored.

So, save the holier-than-thou shit. We've seen you cover for Bill long enough to know you have no problem with his proven sexual abuse. and therefore have zero credibility to complain about sex abuse.

[Tony]

You're still talking about Bill Clinton.

Exactly why do you think it's OK for Republicans to molest children?

[Fuck =><= sevo]

"Roy Moore is a disgusting piece of filth"

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony|11.14.17 @ 12:33PM|#
You're still talking about Bill Clinton.
Exactly why do you think it's OK for Republicans to molest children?

The accusation of sexual misconduct to grab a Senate seat, you mean?

I noticed you won't admit that Moore will win the Senate election in Alabama. The Republicans can get his to resign his seat and a new special election will be held in which another Republican will beat a Democrat.

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony|11.14.17 @ 12:14PM|#
I've never defended anyone's sexual crimes. Glad to clear that up.
The subject is Roy Moore. Not Bill Clinton. Not Adolph Hitler. Not aliens from the Andromeda galaxy.
The fact that you want to make it about someone else is tantamount to you DEFENDING KID FUCKING BECAUSE THE KID FUCKER IS A REPUBLICAN. Stop it before you embarrass yourselves more.

You have defended sexual crimes when lefties do it. When they are in the news, you lefties deflect. In other words, you never want to address the accusations or actual conduct of lefties. You must stay on topic except when lefties are concerned.

Then when a conservative is being accused of sexual misconduct to grab a Senate seat, all past lefty sexual deviancy is forgiven.

You have zero credibility to demand anything. Hillary lost. Democrats lost Congress. Democrats lost the Supreme Court. Democrats lost the presidency.

[Fuck =><= sevo]

"Exactly why do you think it's OK for Republicans to molest children?"

For the same reason you think it's ok to rape your interns.

[Tony]

I don't think it's OK. So you'll have to be a little more specific on why you think it's OK for Roy Moore to molest children.

[Fuck =><= sevo]

"I don't think it's OK. "

Then why do you keep saying it is?

[MarkLastname]

Tony, why did you vote for Hitler in 1932? And Wallace in 1968?

[Tony]

No I haven't. I've never defended anyone's sexual crimes. Nobody on "the left" does that. Nobody is standing behind Weinstein like you are standing behind Roy Moore.

And, I repeat myself for the zillionth time, this story isn't about any lefties.

So I ask again, why do you think it's OK for a Republican politician to touch little girls in the vagina?

[Fuck =><= sevo]

"Nobody is standing behind Weinstein like you are standing behind Roy Moore."

What does inserting Weinstein where we have been saying Clinton prove about you?

Why are you defending a rapist who raped his intern and lied about it to Congress and the public?

[Tony]

Sorry I can no longer talk about Bill Clinton because doing so plays into the hands of someone who is continuing to bring him up in order to defend Roy Moore's kid diddling.

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony|11.14.17 @ 12:52PM|#
Sorry I can no longer talk about Bill Clinton because doing so plays into the hands of someone who is continuing to bring him up in order to defend Roy Moore's kid diddling.

You cannot talk about Bill Clinton because your whole moral high ground position falls apart. You are a kid fucker defender.

Bill Clinton should be in jail for it. And if the accusations are true than Moore deserves to be in jail for it.

After the Senate election which Moore will win, that is.

[Tony]

You don't have to be on a moral high ground to be against kid fucking.

So why do you keep defending it by deflecting the conversation to a completely and totally unrelated person?

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony, Every lefty alive defended Bill Clinton and his trips with Jeffrey Epstein and the Lolita Express.

This story is absolutely about lefties. Lefties cannot beat Trump, so they devised a little plan to try and grab a Senate seat in Alabama. The lefties decided to spring this accusation of sexual misconduct after names were already on the ballot in Alabama and could not be changed. The hope was that Moore would not get enough votes to beat the Democrat.

Unfortunately for this plan, it requires people to be stupid and not realize what the lefties are doing.

Ultimately, Roy Moore will win and then be asked to resign his Senate seat. A new special election will be held and another Republican will win the seat.

Lefties will move on to their continued sexual crimes, covering up said sexual crimes, and desperately trying to gain power using any lies necessary.

[Tony]

Ah, so Bill Clinton made Roy Moore touch little girls in the vagina. Well at least it's a new angle.

[loveconstitution1789]

Bill Clinton possibly touched little girls and Roy Moore possibly touched little girls. There is the same amount of evidence. The word of the little girls.

After Roy Moore wins this Senate seat, how many hours will it be before you lefties try some other strategy to stop Trump and completely forget about Moore?

I knew you had girls vagina's on the brain you sicko.

[Eek Barba Durkle]

You never said shit about a molestimg Vice President.

Be real Tony. We've all read your posts for years. BY YOUR OWN WORDS, REPEATED DOZENS OF TIMES, there is nothing wrong with molesting children if the governmwnt decides not to prosecute you for it. After all, morality derives from government action, according to noted child molestation advocate Tony.

[CE]

Just because the Dems did it doesn't mean it's a good idea to do the same thing.
The Repubs should distance themselves from the creeps.

[loveconstitution1789]

They are trying to but the creepy Democrats keep wanting to hang around.

[Azathoth!!]

Well, let's be honest, Tony. You didn't just 'say nothing'.

You said nothing until the person accused of being a kid fucker had an 'R' after his name.

You were good with kid fucking until you believed that someone with an 'R' behind their name was a kid fucker--you were good with it.

That's really fucked up.

[paranoid android]

What begins with Moore would eventually degenerate into the Senate expelling anyone the Washington establishment has decided it doesn't like.

If you had any principals, you might be cognizant of the fact that you are saying this in defense of a guy who thinks Congress should refuse to seat elected representatives solely on the basis of said representative's religion.

[John]

The fact that I will say it in defense of anyone, regardless of their views, shows that I do have principles. The fact that you think the rules should apply to people based solely on whether you approve of their views shows that you have no principles.

It is really that simple. It doesn't matter what Moore thinks. The rules should apply to him regardless. Integrity is apparently something you not only don't understand but have convinced yourself is the opposite of what it is.

[Rebel Scum]

For the first time in nearly 60 years, the Italian national soccer team has failed to qualify for the World Cup tournament.

At least we're not the only ones that suck at soccer.

[John]

And we don't even care about it. It is Italy's national sport. This is like the US Olympic Basketball team failing to qualify for the Olympics. This is about as sorry as it gets for Italy.

[Rhywun]

This is like the US Olympic Basketball team failing to qualify for the Olympics.

Thanks. I was struggling to come up with an equivalent that American knuckleheads would relate to.

Not sure why the GOP is trying to recruit a write in candidate -- that is very dangerous and likely to hand the seat to the Dems.

The line should be to vote for Moore, whose Senate career will last 5 minutes at most before he is expelled. Then there can be another Special Election.

[Tony]

And the reason a write-in wouldn't work, as it did in Alaska, is because Alabama Republican voters actually don't care that Roy Moore is a pedophile.

[Sevo]

Can you spell "bigot" Tony?
Because you IS one, scumbag.

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony, Moore will win the election. He will resign his Senate seat and the another special election will be held. Another Republican will win that Senate seat.

The Democrats can go back to being pedophiles and whining about Hillary losing.

[Tony]

New rule: I don't debate people who defend child predators.

[Fuck =><= sevo]

You don't debate anyone now.

Unless you think shitting up the board and namecalling is debate. Which you probably do.

[Tony]

At least I'm not defending kid fucking.

[loveconstitution1789]

You must have been for Bill Clinton to turn himself into authorities for riding Jeffrey Epstein's Lolita Express with all its "amenities"?

Tony, you are kid fucker defender and a lying socialist piece of shit.

[Tony]

Why do you think it's OK for Republicans to molest children?

[Fuck =><= sevo]

No one is. Of all the stupid shit you say, that pathetic attempt is one of the worst.

You ARE however, defending a sex abuser. Openly and unapologetically.

[Tony]

Why do you think it's OK for grown Republican men to touch children's vaginas?

[Fuck =><= sevo]

I said

"Unless you think shitting up the board and namecalling is debate. Which you probably do"

and this fucking retard ACTUALLY RESPONDED WITH

"At least I'm not defending kid fucking."

Ok ok, you got me. I finally understand what you are doing and you got me, whichever regular you are, well done.

[Tony]

Sorry, but "But Bill Clinton" is a fucking lame way to defend Roy Moore's behavior, and I'm simply wondering why you're defending it at all.

[Fuck =><= sevo]

For the same reason you think it's ok to rape interns.

[Tony]

But I don't.

How fucking difficult is it to say, without qualification, without bringing Bill fucking Clinton into it, that Roy Moore shouldn't be in the senate because he fondled little girls?

Is this some kind of fucked up experiment? How absolutely fucking horrible do Republicans have to be before "libertarians" stop defending them?

[Fuck =><= sevo]

"But I don't"

"Nobody is standing behind Weinstein like you are standing behind Roy Moore."

What does inserting Weinstein where we have been saying Clinton prove about you?

Why are you defending a rapist who raped his intern and lied about it to Congress and the public?

[Tony]

I'm not defending anyone. I'm asking you why you're defending the child rapist who's actually under discussion right now.

[loveconstitution1789]

You mean Bill Clinton? He's a child rapist who is being discussed right now.

Oh that's right, its only an accusation with stinky Democrat timing.

[Tony]

Why are you even talking about Bill when Hillary ran a child sex ring from a pizza shop?

[loveconstitution1789]

You know...Tony. Lolita Express. Not ring a bell?

Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted kiddie fucker, flew with Bill Clinton (and Kevin Spacey BTW) to overseas locations and had under 18 girls involved as "amenities".

Those are just accusations though. Just like Roy Moore.
WaTimes Bill Clinton Lolita Express

[Tony]

Fine, you got me. I absolutely do not endorse Bill Clinton joining the US Senate.

[loveconstitution1789]

How about not endorsing Hillary Clinton from joining the Senate? She aided and abetted Billy, so that makes her part of a conspiracy to diddle kids.

[Azathoth!!]

But Bill Clinton, But Anthony Weiner, But Elliot Spitzer. But Barney Frank. But Ted Kennedy. But But but.

There's always some big name lefty doing the things you're always accusing everyone else of doing.

Sexism, racism, homophobia, fascism--you name it, if there's a evil to be done on this planet, there's some prominent lefty wallowing in it while all their fellow travelers defend them--and then accuse others of doing the thing they're still standing there doing.

And Republicans and conservatives and everyone on the right has, up until now, caved and backed away so as not to make a fuss--but no more.

I don't care that Moore was accused.

Come back when you've got proof. Until them, screech all you want, ass-monkey--no one's listening anymore.

[CE]

Isn't there an LP option?

[BestUsedCarSales]

Suicide

[loveconstitution1789]

UCLA freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill, who have been detained in China for the past week on suspicion of shoplifting, are headed back to the United States and are scheduled to arrive later Tuesday in Los Angeles, the Pac-12 confirmed.
Not some more black men in jail!

The players were questioned last week about allegedly stealing sunglasses from a Louis Vuitton store next to the team's hotel in Hangzhou....
Don't they mean knock off Louis Vuitton store?

[Tony]

Putin isn't doing anything wrong. He told Trump so and Trump believed him.

Winning! MAGA!

[Sevo]

Tony's gullible enough to think his hag lost for some reason other than being a candidate sooooo bad that she lost to Trump, for pete's sake!
Grow up, loser.

[loveconstitution1789]

Tony, remember when Hillary thought she would win the 2008 election?

Then she thought she would win the 2016 election?

[Tony]

I may be as partisan as you two idiots but at least I can stick to the point.

There are a lot of Republicans from the past who went to prison for a lot of things, and a lot of ones currently serving who are going to go to prison. Want me to bring one or many of them up every time you obsessively mention Hillary?

[loveconstitution1789]

You ARE partisan lefty and are here to try and make Libertarianism seem bad. You are always jumping off topic and your reasoning is, to be nice, lacking any substance.

Go ahead and bring up every republican ever jailed for all I care. I will investigate and probably agree that the person deserved jail.

Unlike you, I think most politicians are crooks and deserve worse than jail. Hillary included. You are partisan hack and will defend your team of lefties for any reason at any time.

I mention Hillary because YOU think she is great. I will continue to mention her leading up to her indictment for mishandling classified information and during her trial.

[Tony]

Really because all you're doing lately is bringing up Clintons in a lame attempt at a defense of child predator Roy Moore.

If you think all politicians are bad people, why not start with him?

[loveconstitution1789]

Why not start with Bill Clinton? He committed his offenses first, so lets go in chronological order.

We'll get to Roy Moore. After he wins the election and can resign his Senate seat. The a special election will be held and another Republican will win that Alabama Senate seat over a Democrat.

[Tony]

Principals, not principles. Wasn't it one of you remedial types who used to say that crap to me all the time?

[loveconstitution1789]

Yup. Principles being innocent until proven guilty. Moore will win the Alabama Senate seat and if there is enough evidence to charge him with diddling a kid, the give him a fair trial.

What lefties do is about principals who they like, they will defend any behavior. Like Bill Clinton and him getting "amenities" on Jeffrey Epstein's Lolita Express and burying that sexual misconduct while saying Moore should lose a Senate seat over a 30 year old accusation. Then there is Hillary Clinton mishandling classified information but no indictment under Obama but multiple military people are charged with mishandling classified information.

Luckily, principles will win and Hillary will be indicted soon for mishandling classified information and get her fair trial.

[Tony]

You are diseased. Talk radio, fat man TV, the Nazi internet, whatever it is that feeds you your utter partisan tribal fixation has left your brain actually damaged.

There is a cure. Stop consuming that toxic crap, and you'll wake up one day seeing the world as it is, not with little Clinton devils dancing around and Nancy Pelosis under your bed.

[loveconstitution1789]

Aw Tony. I don't listen to the radio nor watch tv news or talk shows. The Nazis were socialists, so I don't care what they are doing except to know how my lefty enemys think.

I know all this dissent drives you lefties crazy. So, wipe the spittle from your mouth and listen to Nancy Pelosi some more or NPR. They are guiding you lefties so well.

It is so funny that Trump is so playing you for fools and you think nobody is on to your little plans to wreck the rule of law and the Constitution.

Tony, remember when the Democrats created the KKK and Jim Crowe laws? Did you know that Obama and LBJ are America's only war presidents to have the USA involved in war during their entire presidency? Remember Tony, when Anthony Wiener sexted that kid and lefties fell all over themselves to protect him, Huma Abedin, and Hillary Clinton?

[Domestic Dissident]

The A.M. Links threads are a million times more enjoyable when Citizen Crusty is off busy reporting for whatever liberal media outlet he works for, or doing whatever it is he calls "work".

[loveconstitution1789]

Just don't say his name 3 times, or he will be here pronto.

[Crusty Juggler]

or doing whatever it is he calls "work".

Workin' hard may help you maintain
To learn to overcome the heartaches and pain

[BestUsedCarSales]

Can't handle the bantz I see.

[Jerryskids]

I see that there are reports of what looks like a military coup going on in Zimbabwe, a disconcerting rejection of democracy given that Mugabe was elected President with like 180% of the vote. Apparently Mugabe fired his VP for being a little critical of Mugabe's Stalinist tendencies in order to install his wife as his heir apparent. I look forward to the press ignoring the story except to lament the overthrow of a democratic government in Africa with perhaps a little smidgen of a mention of the fact that Mugabe might not be an entirely nice guy.

[loveconstitution1789]

"Mugabe's Stalinist tendencies"
Hmmm. I wonder where Butt, Tony, and other lefties are to defend that worker's paradise?

[MarkLastname]

I expect if anyone were to criticize the expulsion, expropriation, and occasionally murder of white Zimbabweans by the regime, Tony would quip, "so you think white people are *the real victims* of racism?"

[BestUsedCarSales]

Maybe, though I associate that level of dig with PB more than Tony.

[loveconstitution1789]

Uh oh: Five killed, 10 hospitalized in Rancho Tehama, California shooting.
I guess Nancy Pelosi will be in the media discussing how Commifornia strictest gun control measure in the USA are preventing gun violence. Shooter evidently is an ex-felon who would have been bared from possessing firearms.

[BestUsedCarSales]

They'll just say they don't work because Arizona is next door.