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Comedians Should Make Jokes About Harvey Weinstein. We Rely on Them to Tell Tough Truths.

Sometimes jokes are the only way to bring terrible open secrets to light.

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Comedian James Corden is doing a little Twitter apology tour after joking about Harvey Weinstein's decades of sexual misbehavior at the amfAR gala this weekend:

But in fact, for years the only people who managed to speak the truth in public about Weinstein were jokesters:

Tina Fey, now a Hollywood power player in her own right, has been making Harvey Weinstein jokes for years:

In a later season, the same character jokes: "Look, I get it. I know how former lovers can have a hold over you long after they're gone….In some ways, I'm still pinned under a passed-out Harvey Weinstein and it's Thanksgiving."

Fey also made jokes about Bill Cosby's reputation for sexual assault before it was cool, on Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update and in a 30 Rock episode featuring a confrontation with a Cosby impersonator:

Jack Donaghy: I've arranged for one of Tracy's childhood idols to reach out to him.

Tracy Jordan: Hello?

Jack Donaghy: Tracy, this is Jack, I have someone here who wants to speak with you.

Rick: Tracy, this is Bill Cosby…

Liz Lemon: [whispering] Really? This is your strategy?

Jack Donaghy: [whispering and smiling] I heard him do this at a party!

Rick: …I want you to come back to the TGS for the people who like the jokes and the things.

Tracy Jordan: Bill Cosby, you got a lotta nerve gettin' on the phone wit' me after what you did to my Aunt Paulette!

Rick: I think you're confusing me with someone else.

Tracy Jordan: 1971. Cincinnati. She was a cocktail waitress with the droopy eye!

Rick: I'm the guy… with the pudding…

In fact, the final (please God, let it be final) downfall of Cosby was ultimately triggered by a comedian, Hannibal Buress, who in 2014 urged people to google "Bill Cosby rape" during a standup routine that went viral.

Thanks to Twitter, we can all be pundit-comedians about the latest scandal. But top-of-the-market comedians are in a better position than most of us to know about and expose pernicious open secrets in Hollywood. This can get tiresome, of course, when it's not done judiciously (cough, Daily Show, cough). And it can be disastrous if done to an ordinary person on the basis of bad facts or misunderstandings. But when it comes to exposing the misdeeds of powerful people who have plenty of lawyers, more jokes are better than no jokes.

This isn't about the First Amendment or censorship; the legal right to make such jokes—outside of the workplace, anyway—is clearly established. It's about where we make space in our culture for this type of humor. Where there are powerful people doing bad things (read: all times and all places), there must be comedians, pranksters, and satirists.

We have to leave space to talk about horrible things in a funny way, because sometimes that's the only way we can talk about them at all. It's no good tsk-tsking at comedians for making light of sexual assault when dozens or hundreds of very serious and important people who knew the same information offered only silence. Under the right circumstances, literally everything is a laughing matter.

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  1. Expecting comedians to tell tough jokes about the Left has become a fool’s errand.

    They don’t care about making you laugh. They want to be applauded for being “brave” and “speaking truth to power” — ignoring that they happily ignore the power that can benefit them.

    Why did SNL decide that Obama just wasn’t that funny? He was a treasure trove of mockery but they couldn’t seem to hit it.

    Facts are, most of the comedians are, literally, no better than Weinstein (we know of Letterman’s “shenanigans” for years…it’s foolish to assume he was an outlier in an industry known for EXACTLY this type of behavior)

    Stop treating comedians as anything important. They are not. They will not make uncomfortable jokes. Not their thing any more.

    1. Why did SNL decide that Obama just wasn’t that funny? He was a treasure trove of mockery but they couldn’t seem to hit it.

      I’ve heard so many comedians say that, that they just couldn’t find anything funny about Obama. Even comedians I really respect said similar things. And that’s, as you said, ridiculous. Some do, like Norm MacDonald, but seems very few of the biggest.

      1. The guy is Steve Urkle. There is nothing cool about him. Obama is one of the most comical figures we have ever elected President. They didn’t make jokes about him because they were afraid of being called racists and the personality cult around Obama was so strong that making even the most gentle joke about him would have been career suicide.

        1. The whole “He is so cool” was simply because of his skin color. There was precious little cool about him. I’ve not seen a legitimately cool President in my life and doubt I will.

          1. Honestly, Ronald Reagan is the closest thing to one. The guy was a movie star. He wasn’t the biggest movie star but he wasn’t a bad one. Saying “I was in the movies and was a star during the golden age of Hollywood” is cooler than anything Obama could say.

            1. His “I hope you’re all Republicans” to his surgeons after his shooting is cooler than anything Obama said.

              1. Reagan was wicked funny. Liberals used to come up to him and ask him to sign a picture of Reagan and the chimp for the movie Bedtime for Bonzo. The liberals, of course, thought this was funny and a way of showing Reagan to be stupid. Reagan, rather get angry, would happily oblige and sign the picture,

                “I am the one with the watch, Ronald W. Reagan”.

                That is funny and a lot cooler response than I could ever come up with.

                1. The things Reagan said after he got shot should put him in the cool hall of fame.

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              3. They should certainly be careful to keep their comedy “cool” and not cross the line into inappropriate forms of “expression.” Surely no one here would dare to defend the “First Amendment dissent” of a single, isolated judge in America’s leading criminal “satire” case, or the outrageous editorial by a “free speech” advocate recently printed in one of our nation’s worst muckraking journals? See:

                https://tinyurl.com/hayes-on-criminal-parody

        2. He certainly got a lot of praise. I was never that sold on him being a great speaker either (Though, I’m not going to say Trump is either. I think they both might even be below Bush, certainly below Clinton)

          1. Let me be clear, it’s, uh, it’s possible… uh, it’s possible to say that Barack Obama… might have been, uh, highly and ridiculously overrated as a, uh, as a speaker.

            1. Can anybody actually think of a single thing he said?

              At least Trump has the whole Venezuela’s problem isn’t poor implementation of Socialism but faithful implementation of it.

              1. He allegedly gave all of these great speeches, yet no one can remember a single word he said other than maybe “if you like your insurance, you can keep it.”

                1. “if you like your insurance, you can keep it.”

                  Technically I don’t think he ever said that, exactly, either. I believe that particular lie was “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” /pedant

            2. He had a nice voice and could deliver a rehearsed speech pretty well. That was about it.

        3. I didn’t think Urkle was very funny either.
          I think part of the problem with Obama was that his public image and persona were pretty tightly controlled.
          I’m sure comedians could have come up with more jokes about him. But to me most presidential humor has always been pretty lame. Gerald Ford falls down, Reagan forgets stuff, Clinton is fat and a lech (Clinton might have been the best source of humor of recent presidents), W Bush is stupid, etc.

          I’m pretty sick of all political humor. Almost all of it these days seems to depend on an assumption that the people you disagree with politically are all either evil or stupid idiots.

          1. I think before Obama, a lot of the Presidential comedy was pretty funny. The Chevy Chase impersonations of Ford and the Dana Carvy ones of Bush were very funny. The Reagan ones were not very funny for the same reason the Trump ones seem to be so lame; Reagan critics hated him so much that they didn’t have the requisite understanding of their subject to make a funny joke.

            And I think political humor is important. I never want to live in a country that doesn’t lampoon its political leaders.

            1. I think you are probably right that it used to be better and that something did change because of Obama’s weird personality cult. And that it is important to lampoon (if not mock mercilessly) political leaders.

              And Dana Carvey as Bush I was pretty good. I was drawing a blank on HW Bush comedy.

            2. I think before Obama, a lot of the Presidential comedy was pretty funny. The Chevy Chase impersonations of Ford and the Dana Carvy ones of Bush were very funny. The Reagan ones were not very funny for the same reason the Trump ones seem to be so lame; Reagan critics hated him so much that they didn’t have the requisite understanding of their subject to make a funny joke.

              Hartman playing Reagan as a diabolical genius worked well for me. Hartman’s Clinton was also really good.

              What I’m saying is…I kinda miss Phil Hartman still.

            3. I remember some really good Clinton jokes too. It’s hard to imagine a greater comedy treasure trove in the Oval office than him-with the homey Arkansas accent, the sex scandals, the obviously ambitious and harpy wife. Dana Carvey did some Clinton humor in his stand-up back in the day that had me reeling.

              The problem is that, at some point, it became wrong to make jokes that might offend certain people.

          2. I agree with you now, they are either too careful or too not funny in their social signaling but once upon a time there was this

            http://www.nbc.com/saturday-ni…..8649?snl=1

            Funniest SNL bit ever.

            1. Jimmy Carter explaining to the guy how to get through a bad acid trip is comedy Gold. “Do you have any Allmon Brothers records?”

    2. I remember Richard Nixon on Laugh-in. It was pure gold, almost anarchic. The flipping president was on Laugh-in saying “sock it to me?” Now we can’t even crack a joke about the president’s dog. I am so old. I am so fucking old.

    3. “Why did SNL decide that Obama just wasn’t that funny? He was a treasure trove of mockery but they couldn’t seem to hit it.”

      ‘If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!’
      Weeks worth of material right there.

      ‘Bending the cost curve!’
      They write themselves.

    4. My nephew listens to late night TV hosts on his Iphone nonstop–his parents won’t allow him to use earplugs apparently because that’s rude. So he walks around with it on full blast for the rest of us to enjoy, even at the dinner table. It’s an obsession, but I suppose he could be addicted to worse–or maybe drugs aren’t worse? All I know is from what I hear coming from his phone, if he were my kid the phone would be in the trash and I give him a good perspective on life–one not peppered with cliche and inane anti-Americanisms. My assessment is the modern day comic has morphed into a post-religion preacher. The audience never laughs at what these mostly white males say; they scream and hoot and howl desperate to show their agreement with things that make them feel cool but they know very little about, similar to Sunday church. It’s the most anti-intellectual, unfunny thing I’ve ever heard, similar to Sunday church. Imagine Dick Cavett’s audience screaming over something clever he said rather than the polite chuckles he elicited for genuine funny commentary.

  2. If some Republican city councilman in rural Mississippi says something racist, it is all over the media and every late night comedian makes a joke at Republicans’ expense about it. Yet, when a guy who produced movies that everyone in America has either seen or heard of is accused of harassing and in some cases sexually assaulting some of the most famous women on earth, SNL’s Lorne Micheals says it is “just a New York thing” and not worthy of attention from a national show and some guy named Jimmy Kimmel says he can’t be expected to joke about it because he is not the country’s moral conscience or something, even though he spends most of his on-air time these days morally scolding the country about the lack of socialized healthcare and a total gun ban.

    The don’t make jokes about Weinstein because doing so doesn’t advance leftist politics. That is really all there is to it.

    1. @John Yep.

    2. ‘They don’t make jokes about Weinstein because everybody in the picture but the Republican from Mississippi is a jew’.
      Fixed it for ya.

  3. There is nothing funny about Weinstein.
    There is nothing funny about current comedians.
    Hillary’s book; now that’s funny!

  4. Tina Fey, now a Hollywood power player in her own right, has been making Harvey Weinstein jokes for years:

    Did Tina Fey write the joke that Jane Krakowski delivered?

    1. I’m sure every script needed her stamp approval before filming. Tiny Fey ain’t so bad — she has bucked against puritanical PC culture.

      1. You’re telling me the entire run of 30 Rock there wasn’t one improvised line (not that this one was)? It just seems weirdly manufactured or slanted the way it’s presented. Krakowski’s no slouch and there’s no reason not to invoke all the writers or the whole show. Like Tina Fey’s opinion is the only one that matters when it comes to Harvey Weinstein.

  5. Courtney Love? Weinstein was clearly a troubled man.

    1. “Her band’s name is what? Get her in here.”

    2. Crazy and hot is a turn on sometimes.

      1. I think for Weinstein looks didn’t matter. He got off on humiliating and degrading people. When it is all about power, the relative attractiveness of the object of that power does not matter.

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      2. Hold on a moment here. Are you insinuating that Courtney Love is/was hot?

        1. Back immediately post Kobain she had a little of that trashy hot, drug addict, “I’d do her but I wouldn’t want her around my friends” thing.

          1. “I’d do her but I wouldn’t want her around my friends” thing.

            +1 moped. Fun to ride, but you don’t want your friends to see you on it.

        2. she looked pretty good dead in the bath tub in The People vs. Larry Flint

      3. Crazy and hot is a turn on sometimes.

        OK but what’s that got to do with Courtney Love?

        Seriously, she always looked to me like she just got done doing whatever it is she was gonna do after handing someone her beer.

        Along those line, I’m having trouble thinking of a name that she could’ve said in that quip and I’d have thought “Nah, she’s probably mistaken.”

  6. There’s this dumb idea out there that there are no conservative comedians because none of them are funny, when it is largely due to the opposite. Liberals and progressives simply can’t take a joke. They can’t handle jokes about themselves or things they think are important. They are entirely unfunny. I haven’t heard an original or funny Trump joke since the inauguration, yet they sit there telling the same ones over and over again as if its hilarious. I don’t get it.

    Comedy Central has a new show “the Opposition” that appears to be entirely devoted to telling Trump jokes. Is there really a market for people to watch hours of the same Trump jokes every week?

    1. I haven’t heard a good Trump joke either. And Trump is a fairly ridiculous figure who ought to be easy to ridicule. Think about how badly they ridiculed Reagan. Reagan was a movie star. They made Ford, a no kidding All American football player at Michigan into a clutz. Yet, they can’t seem to have anything funny to say about Trump.

      The reason I think is that to make a joke about something or someone, you have to understand what you are joking about. If you don’t understand the subject, you can’t make a good joke. Leftists used to understand the right in a way they don’t know. So where they once could make funny jokes that even Republicans had to laugh at, now they cannot, because they live in such a bubble they no longer understand figures on the right well enough to satirize them.

      1. Best Trump joke is still the Domino’s Pizza sketch from 10-15 years ago.

      2. The reason I think is that to make a joke about something or someone, you have to understand what you are joking about. If you don’t understand the subject, you can’t make a good joke. Leftists used to understand the right in a way they don’t know. So where they once could make funny jokes that even Republicans had to laugh at, now they cannot, because they live in such a bubble they no longer understand figures on the right well enough to satirize them.

        And, you’re right. Trump is a friggin pi?ata for humor. And all they want to do is rage, which never gets old.

        No jokes about him suffering from serious AD/HD.

        Nothing remotely silly, like “Trump is a Mexican whose border policy is based on staying away from his mother-in-law”. Or that he died years ago and the President really IS a Chee-to.

        Little good satire of his speeches. It’s not hard to envision him making increasingly batshit insane comments: “Iran will be dealt with. We’re winning. Build the wall. Did you know that cauliflower cannot be trusted?” A “Trump with Tourette’s” joke should be easy enough.

        1. The way to satirize Trump is to go after his pretentiousness and cravenness. I remember before the Republican Convention last year, someone on this board I forget who said it would be great if he gave his speech wearing a sombrero. The thought of Trump giving a speech in sombrero talking about how much he loves Mexicans is funny. But, the comedians would never do that because they can’t let go of their rage and desire to virtue signal long enough to go beyond crude insults.

          1. The pretentiousness can be gold.

            Have him discuss how he’s smarter than Hawking. Comment on how he beat Mayweather in a fight once.

            The hyper-sensitivity could also be a never-ending stream of jokes…if current comedians had any talent to actually do a joke and not “make a statement”.

            He’s also one of the most awkward dudes I’ve seen in my life doing anything. I cannot picture Donald Trump in the real world. Trump seducing a woman is something that would be hilarious…if they could avoid having him just shoving a finger up her with a slide whistle playing.

            …scratch that, the slide whistle might sell that joke…

            1. It wouldn’t be hard. It is not hard to satirize about anyone. You just have to see them as a human being and understand their strengths and their faults. Leftists have stopped thinking of anyone who doesn’t share their politics as human beings and thus can’t satirize anymore.

              1. I could sometimes laugh at Colbert, but Stewart was just one bit WTF to me. Why is he even on a comedy channel? Why is he called a comedian? Does anyone actually laugh at him?

                “We went out and asked 1000 Americans a really lame political question. We managed to find five who gave us a lame answer. Here they are. Gosh, isn’t the man in the street funny?”

                1. The worst part about Stewart was that he would practically get on his knees and lick the shoes of powerful guests on his shows and then would send his film crew out to go after ordinary people who had no way to fight back. The guy spent his entire career being a mouthpiece for some of the most powerful people on earth but still thought it was funny to humiliate some nobody on national TV. The entire show was disgusting. The only good thing I can say for it is that it showed non Progressives how much progressives really hated them and it helped make an entire generation of Progressives into screaming baboons incapable of reasonable discussion. For those reasons, it did a lot to harm the Progressive cause. So it has that going for it.

                2. Your tastes may differ, but I think Stuart was a good comedian before he decided he was some kind of political pundit.

                  1. Zeb,
                    I don’t think Stewart is a bad comic. I just think the Daily show was horrible in how it bullied people who couldn’t fight back.

                    1. The Daily show was better before Stewart took over.

                    2. I was responding to Brandybuck.

            2. Have him discuss how he’s smarter than Hawking. Comment on how he beat Mayweather in a fight once.

              Hell, they could just take some of the over the top propaganda claims that Kim Jong-Il used to make (14 holes in one in a singe round of golf!) and just substitute Trump saying them. They wouldn’t even need to come up with any original content.

              1. Holy shit. A Trump v Jong Un battle of one-upsmanship would be epic.

                1. Trump v Jong Un

                  Somebody get the “Epic Rap Battles of History” people on the line, stat!

                2. Honestly, this probably needs to be a regular feature. Get a Kim Jung Un on the show and then have Trump and him make completely outlandish statements. And you can even comment on stuff that’s making the news-like every time Trump complains about the NFL, you can have Jung-Un complain about his fantasy team.

                  “I don know what happen, I draft Nick Folk. He miss 4 field goals! What the hell!”

        2. that was funny damikesc

    2. The Opposition looks more like general alt-right and Infowars parody. We can only hope they go full on and do That’s My Trump or Lil’ Trump.

    3. “”Is there really a market for people to watch hours of the same Trump jokes every week?””

      Well, there does seem to be a big demand for bias conformation, so maybe.

    4. There is a certain flavor to conservative humor that maybe doesn’t translate well to something like stand-up. Conservatives may not be thigh-slappingly funny, but no one would accuse them of not being witty. Even Margret Thatcher was witty.

      A goodish portion of comedy relies on a set of shared assumptions that is increasingly difficult in such a fractured discourse. While the left sometimes (often?) puts politics above humor, I’m open to the possibility that maybe I just don’t get the joke.

      There are even people who think Carlin isn’t funny.

  7. All my humor is based on destruction and despair. If the whole world were tranquil, without disease and violence, I’d be standing in the bread line – right in back of J. Edgar Hoover.
    Lenny Bruce

  8. What always amazed me about 30 rock was how they got away with having Tracy Jordan play that Stepin Fetchit schtick without the SJW’s screaming for their heads.

    -jcr

    1. My question about 30 Rock is if they intended to make the Alex Balwin character so much happier and better adjusted than the Fey character. Fey was the protagonist of the show and supposed to be an everywoman. Baldwin was supposed to be a representation of all of the bad things Fey’s character rejected. Yet, when you looked at the two characters, Baldwin’s character was much happier, more successful and confident than Fey’s, who was a complete neurotic mess. You can really see that show as an indictment of modern feminism. Fey’s character embraced feminism and ended up neurotic, alone and unhappy. Baldwin’s rejected it and ended up much happy for doing so. Did they intend that or was it an accident?

      1. No, it’s very clear as the series goes on that Fey is supposed to be a broken person and Jack is pretty okay.

      2. I think it was intended to some extent, at least. Fey clearly had some genuine affection for Baldwin’s character.
        I think the show succeeded because Fey put comedy and character first and was willing to make fun of things she personally believed in and herself.

        1. A willingness to gore ANY sacred cow, including one’s own, is a pretty important component of comedy.

          1. One of Richard Pryor’s most famous gags was the character, Mudd Bone. Pryor is just obliterating the culture he grew up around in that gag. And it is funny as hell. I can’t imagine any black comedian today other than probably Dave Chapelle, having the confidence and self-awareness to do something like that.

            1. Chris Rock, maybe.

              It does seem like the next generation of black commedians does shy away from that kind of stuff. Which is fine if they don’t make their comedy about their race. But if you want to be a good ethnic comedian, making fun of your own culture really needs to be central.

            2. I remember Richard Pryor making jokes about the time he accidentally set himself on fire (such as striking a match, bouncing it around, and saying it was ‘Richard Pryor running down the street’).

  9. We Rely on Them to Tell Tough Truths.

    Speak for yourself. I don’t rely on comedians for Jack. Relying on a group populated almost entirely by mentally ill approval-seekers would be unwise.

    1. Relying on a group populated almost entirely by mentally ill approval-seekers would be unwise.

      Well, shit, so much for democracy.

      1. You’re not wrong.

    2. Relying on a group populated almost entirely by mentally ill approval-seekers would be unwise.

      But enough about Congress…

      1. Yet another reason to give Congress (and the government in general) as little power as possible.

  10. It has power over you if you can’t joke about it. Joke about it and it loses all power. That’s why we have comedy.

    1. And these people couldn’t even try to joke about Obama and fail miserably when they try to joke about Trump. I guess that tells you who has the power in that relationship.

      1. I haven’t watched SNL in years for exactly this reason. I have the first season of SNL and it’s pure gold. Not because the actors were geniuses, many of the skits were awful. We only remember the good ones. But there are no good skits in the new SNL.

        1. I’ve heard that SNL was funny at one time…

          1. My sister still watches it. I don’t see her much these days, but around the holidays she’ll pull up clips on her Ipad. Most of the time my reaction is, “There’s a joke in there, but it’s horribly executed. The big punchline is in the wrong spot and horribly delivered, and they stretched it out 2 minutes after you’re already bored with it.”

  11. I remember a lot of these jokes people had made over the years, but not knowing much about Harvey Weinstein other than that he was a big name, it always sounded to me like he was in on it. It seemed like an inside joke, and it turns out that’s exactly what it was (the joke being that they weren’t kidding in the slightest)

    I feel like if just one of these people had stood by their claim with conviction like Hannibal Buress did (which was so damn ballsy in hindsight, Cosby was still revered), maybe the conversation could have shifted much sooner

    1. Al Michaels is great. I love when he starts talking about the gambling spreads in not so subtle ways. The dude gets why many people in the audience watch the end of blowout games.

  12. All I know is I haven’t laughed so hard at an intentional joke* made by an NFL commentator half as hard as I laughed at Al MIchaels’ Harvey Weinstein joke last night. And then he went and ruined it by apologizing before the game was even over. Presumably because he was getting screeched at by Social Justice Twitter Warriors.

    *I’ve laughed harder at unintentional jokes at the expense of certain NFL commentators (*cough* Phil Simms *cough*).

  13. The jackass with the “Memory Hole” handle was here earlier claiming that Trump is exactly like Weinstein. That’s the reason we don’t accept comics as a source of knowledge.

    1. If Trump were exactly like Weinstein, we’d be hearing about his molestations non-stop. It seems likely that he’s probably a creep towards women sometimes. But if there were anything big like with Weinstein, we’d know about it.

      1. It is interesting that his accusers vanished from the public eye pretty quickly. The only time Trump ever apologized was the NBC tape. It would have wrecked his candidacy had he not been going against Hillary. Why not keep pressing the one thing that came close to sinking him?

      2. That’s an advantage of having a Republican president. The media, pop culture, art word, acedemia will all hold the Republicans feet to the fire and be ultra critical of every thing they do. Which is their job. With a Democrat president, all we hear from them is slurping.

    2. I see Trump as just saying that stuff about grabbing … stuff… as him trying to fit into the Hollywood culture. Trying to be one of the guys. I seriously doubt he’d ever have the balls to grab a lady inappropriately.

  14. Stand-up comedy is the last hope for a free society and freedom of speech. It’s why I became a comedian. I’m hardly ‘offensive’ but give trigger warnings when I joke about being date raped.

    Context: I survived a night time, 70 mph skydiving accident and after I regained consciousness, awaiting the trauma chopper I thought, date rape. Apparently, not the worst things that’s ever happened to me.

    Of course Weinstein had a casting couch! Why else become a Hollywood producer or celebrity? What we don’t hear in the discussion is that

  15. * women who were strategic fuckers (gold diggers sound so…passe) loved that couch! Yeah he sounds like your average douche bag.

    Me, I’m purely a recreational fucker, while my friends strategized rich husband’s, I slept with starving Muslim artists and male Swedish super models. Go figure.

  16. RE: Comedians Should Make Jokes About Harvey Weinstein.

    Hollywood making jokes about a notorious liberal, big donor to the DNC and molester of women?
    Now that’s funny!

  17. Never bothered to watch 30 Rock before. I guess it’s supposed to be all about all the funny things that happen in the center of the universe or something. The clip wasn’t all that funny.

    1. Are you thinking of 3rd Rock From The Sun?

  18. Where there are powerful people doing bad things (read: all times and all places), there must be comedians, pranksters, and satirists.

    Comedy and satire is not the freaking solution for this stuff. The problem was that Weinstein had a power that NO ONE should ever have. In his case, his power was economic (iow – lets not pretend that ‘free markets’ are the solution either) and he was able to force a choice on his victims – destroy your career (not even just a job) or speak out and accomplish not much at all. And Weinstein had a shit-ton of willing accomplices – none of which were probably ‘state-actors’ (so no easy strawman for libertarians to attack) – who knew what was happening and who ‘had his back’ so that the victims remained victims and new victims continued to become victims.

    The crap here from the commentariat is just as bad. This really has fucking NOTHING to do with Weinstein’s politics or the usual partisan bullshit. That is simply yet another excuse for not actually thinking about the problem here and instead tackling yet another strawman.

  19. “Comedians Should Make Jokes About Harvey Weinstein. We Rely on Them to Tell Tough Truths.”

    What do you mean they SHOULD makes jokes about Harvet Weinstein? There’s no mandate that they make jokes about him.

    We Rely on Them to Tell Tough Truths? No we don’t. This is a shared delusion of the Left, Right and Libertarian. All I rely upon comedians to do is to make me laugh. That’s it. If they want to be political, fine; just be funny.

    For awhile, one of the TV stations was rerunning “Burns and Allen.” In every show, George Burns would do a short stand-up bit. It was always funny – always. It was never political. It did usually underscore certain truths about human nature. Jokes that ring false don’t hit home.

    If a comedian wants to be political, fine; more power to him. Just be funny. But we’re in an age when comedic orthodoxy – which is apparently as codified and strict as Sharia – demands that all comedians must always be progressively political and that their comedic perspective must originate from their personal racial, sex, sexual, religious, victimization identity. God forbid that a Puerto Rican lesbian, say, doesn’t base her entire schtick upon being a Puerto Rican lesbian or that a stutterer not base every single joke on stuttering.

    By the way, profanity isn’t in and of itself funny, but it has become the absolute norm. It had value when it was transgressive. Now it’s just lazy.

    Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor killed comedy.

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