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Roy Moore Would Make America Saudi Arabia Again

He will turn America into Saudi Arabia

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God certainly has a great sense of irony. In the same week that Saudi Arabia, an Islamic theocracy, took a small step out of the 18th Century by

Roy Moore
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easing its ban on female driving, America took a step back into that century by handing a win in the Alabama U.S. Senate Republican primary to Roy Moore, a vehement proponent of a Christian theocracy on U.S. soil.

Sadly, it seems, faith in American-style liberalism is dimming in America just as it is penetrating the remaining bastions of illiberalism in the world.

Moore calls Islam a "fake religion" while spreading the fake news that unnamed Christian communities in Illinois and Indiana are being forced to live under Islamic law or sharia. But why he would find sharia all that troubling is unclear given that his Christianity is its spiritual twin.

He has twice been defrocked as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, first in 2004 for insisting on displaying a massive plaque of the 10 Commandments in his court in defiance of the First Amendment's establishment clause, and then in 2016 for refusing to hand marriage licenses to same-sex couples after the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage. Far from showing regret, he regards these as justified acts of civil disobedience because, like Islamic fundamentalists, he believes that God's law supersedes man's law. Indeed, he considers God to be "the only source of our law, liberty and government" and made the restoration of Christian "virtue and morality" the cornerstone of his campaign. Nor is there much daylight between his idea of Christian virtue and the Islamic strictures that he demonizes.

Moore would ban not just reproductive choice for women but also homosexuality which he has condemned as "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God." In fact, he has repeatedly refused to rule out the death penalty against gays. He considers 9-11 God's retribution against America for "legitimizing sodomy." This means that as far as he is concerned, the 9-11 Islamist were really emissaries of God. Yet he penned purple prose opposing Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim ever to be elected to the House in 2006, from taking his oath of office on the Koran rather than the Bible because, you know, America wasn't settled by folks who brought "a Koran on the pilgrim ship, Mayflower."

Most chilling, however, is that he is the author of the misnamed 2005 Constitution Restoration Act that would give Congress the power to remove any judge who refuses to recognize God as the source of America's law. The bill also seeks to limit the power of the Supreme Court to overrule or punish any state official or judge acting in the name of God's law and, instead, would impeach the judges who take on such cases. Think of it as the Christian version of Taliban rule with slightly more checks-and-balances and fewer beards.

Many explanations have been proffered for Moore's victory including the failure of Congressional Republicans to deliver on their promise to repeal-and-replace Obamacare, the close ties of Moore's primary opponent, Luther Strange with Alabama's disgraced, scandal-plagued governor, and the conservative base's general disgust with the Republican establishment that backed Strange.

There is some truth to all of them. But the far more disturbing reality is that the hard-core conservative base has turned inward, seeking "redemption" by returning to a purer past. It has become deeply hostile to the true source of American greatness, its receptiveness to outside influences, whether in the form of ideas, people or products. It has become the enemy of what the British philosopher Karl Popper famously called the "open society" that sees alien influences not as a threat but as a source of progress allowing it to constantly reinvent and improve itself.

Indeed, nearly all of Moore's conservative backers—whether ethno-nationalists Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka or nativist rabble rouser Ann Coulter or Christian reconstructionist Mike Huckabee—want to create a Fortress America and cut off the outside world.

But this is exactly the kind of medieval social vision that Saudi Arabia, thanks to influence of hardline Wahhabi clerics not dissimilar to Moore, embraced three decades ago. The lifting of the driving ban marks an effort to overturn this vision. It is not an isolated step either, but part of a sweeping reform agenda called Vision 2030 that the country's 31-year-old Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman—affectionately called MBS—has announced to extricate Saudi Arabia's economy and society from the religious chokehold in has been under and lead it into the 21st Century. Indeed, apart from letting women go behind the wheel, he also wants to build the country's entertainment industry beyond restaurants and shopping malls, doubling the number of cultural events annually including standup comics, Japanese orchestra, theater and more. What's more, women will be allowed to not just perform but also watch along with men. Even more remarkably, he wants to build the nation's tourist industry, including resorts along the Red Coast meeting "international standards"—a euphemism for gender-mixed beaches where at least foreign women will be allowed to sport bikinis.

And as Trumpists shriek against globalism, MBS actually wants to open up the state-owned oil giant Aramco to global markets—which means that foreigners will be able to own its biggest asset, or at least a part of it.

Why is MBS, who is far from a flawless figure, liberalizing the Saudi society and economy? Because he knows first hand what closing the country has done to it—namely, create a moribund economy that is overly dependent on exploiting the country's fast-depleting oil reserves, a whole generation of enervated young men who have lost their will to work due to chronic unemployment, and legions of women who are increasingly getting educated but whose talents the country can't harness due to its backward religious notions. Indeed, just when Moore wants to ban gays and, reproductive choice for women and limit religious liberty (he believes America's guarantee of religious freedom is meant only for Christians), Saudi men and women are clamoring for more personal freedom for themselves.

None of this is to say that Saudi Arabia will anytime soon become a mecca of liberalism or America will return to the days of puritan New England. Moore may yet be defeated in November and, even if he is elected, America's institutions, after 250 years of liberalism, are way too strong to simply succumb to the reactionary forces he represents. Conversely, Saudi Arabia's ruling classes have been in the business of dictating the religious life of their citizenry for too long to simply give up overnight.

Still, it is unfortunate that just when Saudi Arabia is driving in America's direction, right-wing reactionaries like Moore are driving America in Saudi Arabia's.

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216 responses to “Roy Moore Would Make America Saudi Arabia Again

  1. We’ve never been Saudi Arabia. This title makes no sense.

    1. We *were* Saudi Arabia in 1960. Think about it – not just Jim Crow (which I presume Republicans invented), but abortion was illegal, same-sex marriage was literally a joke (see SPOILER ALERT the ending of Some Like It Hot), men wore suits and women wore dresses (presumably as part of a Handmaids Tale style plot by men), and of course prominent ministers were going around trying to influence public policy, contrary to the separation of church and state – think of First Amendment violators like Martin Luther King.

      1. Hardly. In fact, your comments is so rife with inaccuracies it stands on its own as an example of ignorant blathering.

        1. Which parts of my comment were inaccurate?

          1. Was it the part about Republicans inventing Jim Crow? Or clothing styles being part of a Handmaid’s Tale style plot? Or Rev. King violating the First Amendment? I thought all those things were almost too obvious to mention. /sarc

            1. You forgot to mention that marital rape was legal in many states until the 1970s.

              1. Right. And it was illegal to carry wirecutters in Texas till that time, too, in order to prevent cattle rustling. Being on the books is far different from being part of the practised law.

                In contrast, go to Saudi Arabia and you will find plenty of examples of husbands beating the poop out of their wives today with their imams blessings. Google 2016 article: How to ‘discipline’ your wife, Saudi style: Muslim family therapist advises men to ‘beat spouses with a toothpick or handkerchief’ and ‘forsake them in bed'” (The toothpick is a mis-translation. He is talking about a switch.)

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            2. Just be sure to absolve the Republican party first and foremost. We wouldn’t want them to be unfairly blamed for anything, what with the bang-up job they’ve done managing this country.

          2. It was so completely inaccurate as to seem like a well-written parody.

                1. It is written ok. It expresses ideas with the same level of idiocy that the article does.

                  1. What exactly is so threatening about a basic statement of the importance of America’s own Establishment Clause? Why do the insipid commenters here come to an American magazine centered on American Libertarianism to talk shit about Libertarianism & America’s founding principles?

          3. Republicans invented Jim Crow? That, by in itself, proves you are an ignoramus. And probably a product of public school history classes. The KKK, and Jim Crow are inarguably the creations of the Democratic party. As they say, we all have a right to our own opinion, but you don’t get to have your own facts.

        2. lurk for awhile before you comment, it’ll save much anguish. And set your sarcasm meter to 11.

          1. “Ooh, a sarcasm detector, now *that’s* a useful invention!”

            1. well played….well played.

      2. trollololololololololo

      3. Proponents of religious freedom are…theocrats!

        True libertarians need to shun these fakes who forget the first liberty guaranteed by the Constitution is freedom of religion and that “separation of church and state” appears no where in the Constitution.

    2. Never having heard of this guy, I actually assumed it meant he wants the US to produce insane amounts of oil and try to control oil prices on the world market.

      Had to read a bit to realize she meant he’s a religious freak. So yeah, the title is confusing.

      1. It’s Shiki, so…………

    3. Reason analyst

      You misspelled “anal cyst.”

      1. Didn’t Trump have one of those? Or was it Bill Clinton? Both? I know they’re both draft dodgers [and rapists], so one of them had a cyst…

        1. No, only Clinton was either…and Both!

      2. It is a developing synonym. Don’t sweat it.

    4. We’ve never been Saudi Arabia. This title makes no sense.

      Thereby consistent with the rest of the article, and Shikha’s whole body of work.

      1. Do they pay her for this shit, or does she have to pay them to publish it? If they are paying her, mental evaluations for all involved are needed. If she is paying them to publish, it can’t be enough.

  2. Shikha out stupids herself. Congrats!

    1. Shitkia, Chapman, and Richman all appear to be in a contest to see which one is the most idiotic piece of shit. Shitkia is now in the lead.

      1. LOL! Yeah, she’s a piece of shit because she hates theocrats and hates Moore for being one. That’s SOOOO unlibertarian. A REAL libertarian SUPPORTS Roy Moore. Why, he’s kinda like a latter-day Rushdoony, and NO ONE is more libertarian than RJ Rushdoony, right shitboy?

        Yeah, gotta love that Roy Moore. Now that’s a REAL libertarian, not this injun bitch PRETENDING to be one. One day Moore might even be even be as libertarian as Gary North and RJ Rushdoony! Nothing says libertarian like killing fags in the name of God. Now that’s SUPER fucking libertarian! HIGH FIVE!!!

        You know who’s really, REALLY libertarian, though? Psst.. Donald Trump. He praised FDR’s internment camps AND gave lots and lots of money to that harpy, neocon donkey bitch Hillary Clinton back in 2008. Now if THAT’S not super fucking libertarian I don’t know what is! HIGH FIVE!!!

        1. You wouldn’t know what a “theocrat” (how can one Senator be that, anyways?) was if one crawled up your ass and died.

      2. Shitkia is now in the lead.

        Shikha is the most pants shitting craptastic.
        Richman the looniest.
        Chapman the smuggest.

    2. Are you really that fond of Roy Moore? Freedom of religion is also freedom *from* religion forced down your throat. Roy Moore is the face of the American Taliban.

      1. Your history is skewed. Maryland collected tithes for the Catholic church for decades. MA had to run ordinances past the clergy in my lifetime. No such ‘freedom from religion’ exists in any founding document, nor does separation of church and state.

        But I suspect you already know that.

  3. Think of it as the Christian version of Taliban rule with slightly more checks-and-balances and fewer beards.

    Oh, I suspect there will be plenty of “beards”…

    1. Finally, “beards” will come back in style!

      1. Apparently, you haven’t been to the Pacific Northwest.

        1. Wish I hadn’t. Seattle is a fucking nightmare.

      2. Charlie Blackmon and Justin Turner are sporting some wild beards. The #1 and #2 hitters in the MLB this season, in case your not following. Correlation?

        1. Some kind of Samson-like effect?

  4. Far from showing regret, he regards these as justified acts of civil disobedience because, like Islamic fundamentalists, he believes that God’s law supersedes man’s law.

    Do you believe that the law above all others, either God or our own personal ethics, is actually superseded by government?

    1. God’s Law may supercede man’s law, but God’s Law does not command most of what the claims it does. There is this pesky thing called the “New Testament”. You can’t claim God wants the State to be executing gays and witches unless you toss out the New Testament.

      1. The New Testament is not particularly friendly to gays or witches. See the numerous “demons” out-cast.

        1. But same-sex-attracted people aren’t demons.

          1. Not in 2017.

          2. Also there are several straight-up condemnations of it in Paul.

            1. Again, St. Paul didn’t say that same-sex attracted people were demons.

              He said they shouldn’t have carnal relations with people of the same sex.

              1. I put “demons” in quotes and meant that to refer to witches, but yes obviously throughtout the centuries since the new testament people have tried to exorcise gayness.

                1. Gayness should only be exercised, never exorcised.

      2. On the other hand, we would have to throw out the ten commandments then, too. And then there’s that pesky part where Jesus said he didn’t come to throw out all the old laws. At any rate, it’s not nearly as clear as some like to pretend that the new testament makes the old testament null and void. The reality is that these garbage fairy tale books can be used to support almost anything; it’s all pick-and-choose.

        1. On the other hand, we would have to throw out the ten commandments then, too.
          Moses did that before it was cool.

          I mean, he went back for a second copy, but he literally destroyed the ten commandments the first time around, and then ordered a whole bunch of murders, before going back and asking God for a redo.

      3. I wasn’t aware Judge Moore campaigned on a platform of capital punishment for gays and witches.

        1. Nah, he says just wants to throw them in jail and force his beloved Jeebus down their throats [and everybody else, for that matter], but I guess that’s just not good enough, huh shitface? I got no doubt he *wants* to kill them, though. He’s a dominionist/reconstructionist. Of course he wants to kill them. But hey, he’s a REAL libertarian, right pal? /sarc

      4. I could toss out the NT in order to tell you that God’s orders concerning MANY things don’t apply here and now.

        Deuteronomy 12:1 “These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess?as long as you live in the land.” This command is repeated several times in slightly different phrasing.

        Leviticus 25:23 “The land must never be sold on a permanent basis, for the land belongs to me. You are only foreigners and tenant farmers working for me.”

        What do we learn here? That land was God’s land. He gave it to the Israelites as “tenant farmers”, not as their own “property” as you and I would think of it. The Covenant (Deuteronomy 29 as well as elsewhere) to possess the land came with certain conditions, and God’s law (Exodus through Deuteronomy) were the conditions.

        Now, that isn’t to say that there are no useful moral laws to find in these passages of the OT it’s just that the punishments certainly would NOT apply today, as we don’t live in ancient Israel.

        For instance, we learn in the NT that mindless following moral rules does NOT save someone, so trying to get non-Christians to follow Christian morals is counterproductive. It is faith that saves someone, and to back that up, the OT says, “And Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD counted him as righteous because of his faith.”

      5. The bible actually says *nothing* about abortion. It does frown on masturbation, however.

        1. Thou Shalt not murder comes to mind…

          “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.” 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

          “Do not permit any of your children to be offered as a sacrifice to Molech, for you must not bring shame on the name of your God. I am the LORD.” Leviticus 18:21

          “See, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.” Psalm 127:3

          “You shall not do so to the LORD your God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hates, have they done to their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.” Deuteronomy 12:31

          “Thus said the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border:” Amos 1:13

          “Before I formed you in the belly I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5

    2. It seems the founders of this country believed that “natural law” and “rights endowed by the creator” superceded “king’s law”.

      Of course, we have mental giants of “libertarian thought” here that believe that a libertarian society “a cultural environment” can develop and flourish in concert with a belief that all belief systems are equally valid and in need of respect.

      So carry on with vaginal mutilation in Detroit, honor killings, and rape of non-believers …. it is a part of a culture that must be respected …. just like Saudia Arabia.

  5. Frankly, all the religious right knows about Moore is that he once had a monument to the Ten Commandments. If they know his real views, every fundamentalist deplorable would be fleeing from him as fast as they can. The Bible rejecting evangelicals would stick by him though, as he promises Salvation Through the State.

  6. As for Keith Ellison, if his constituents want a Muslim representative, everyone else has to deal with that choice, even if Ellison borrows Jefferson’s Koran and gets sworn in on it.

    1. The fact that Jefferson owned a Koran should alone be enough for Moore to hate him. That and that he completely rejected the divinity of Christ and thought the Bible was a mythological dung heap. Revisionist snowflakes try to gloss over that little fact, though. >:)

      1. Did Jefferson take a razor to the Koran, cut out the parts he disliked and rearrange the rest to make a Jefferson’s Koran?

        Outragegasm.

        1. Roy Moore should do that. Then start submitting it to publishers as the Roy Moore Koran.

  7. Ms. Dalmia and fellow leftists in libertarian guise have correctly identified 9 of the last 0 theocratic takeovers of our country.

    We should cherish religious people, not for their historical accuracy, but for their successful resistance to a state and society determined to be rid of them, and for their successful maintenance of a rival source of authority to the all powerful state.

    Roy Moore will pass no legislation. Which is too bad, because abortion is evil and is state-licensed murder.

    1. The fuck are you smoking? Throne and Altar have been butt buddies since organized religion became a thing.

      1. Yes, England and the Catholic Church have gotten along so well the last few hundred years.

    2. fellow leftists in libertarian guise

      Progressitarians

  8. “He has twice been defrocked as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court”

    Defrocked? See, the judiciary *is* a priesthood.

    1. It IS to worshipers of almighty government.

  9. Interesting how this one Congressman will take America into the dark ages. If only those random Libertarians that get elected every now and then could be as effective.

    I mean, this guys certainly a douchebag but get a grip.

    1. Shitting on the religious is a cottage industry for Ms. Dalmia and the rest of the left.

      1. Hey, you’re the guy who had it in for Oscar Wilde, not cool, bro.

        1. Wilde was engaged in a SLAPP, and if he hadn’t have sued it wouldn’t have come out in discovery. Don’t hate the defense attorney for beating back a bullshit lawsuit.

          1. Fair enough. I just had to parrot the PC line first.

            1. So, you were a big fan of Home Rule, eh?

              Ha ha, just kidding about that one.

              1. Ran guns in to prevent Irish communism spreading north.

            2. I am happy someone served me this one up, because Wilde gets referenced so much as “Britain hates gays” rather than “British libel litigant blunders”. Prominent British elites have used their strict libel laws to coverup rape of children (particularly boys) far more often than those elites have been sentenced to hard labor for being gay.

              Heath, PM who took the UK into Europe, raped and murdered boys on his boat in the English channel and then tossed the body overboard. Good friends with that moral paragon Kissinger.

              1. Seriously? I mean, it’s not like it’s impossible, but it sounds far out.

                1. Oh yes. It’s all true.

                2. Jimmy Saville was no outlier.

                  1. Mountbatten was a huge rapist too, of Northern Irish boys.

                    A lot of children were taken from their home, by the state, to be later raped while living in group/foster homes, by prominent members of the state and society.

                    Westminster is riddled, to this day, by pedophiles. Google Elm Guest House for horror.

                    1. Don’t forget about all the gay frogs being bred in the sewers below Westminster.

                    2. So there are sewers below the sewer? Who knew!

      2. Ayn Rand’s a leftie? Wow, you learn something everyday! /sarc

        1. Because all libertarians have to believe the same thing about religion. /you’re-an-idiot

      3. I find it strange that Reason has so many Progressives on staff. Apparently HuffPo and the the major media are underrepresented in society, so in fairness Reason has to welcome them here. Of is Reason becoming a Progressive rag wearing a libertarian tag line.

        sad, Sad, SAD!

  10. The good thing about this is that he has far less individual power over Americans’ lives as Senator than as judge.

  11. If it’s an illiberal vision does that mean it isn’t white supremacy?

  12. I welcome the libertarian-Republican future-Senator from Alabama.

  13. I have a feeling that Shikha will live in Roy Moore’s Alabama rather than Saudi Arabia, if she had to choose one place to live at the point of a gun.

    “Women can drive in Saudi Arabia, but men can still stop them from driving” FEEL the progress.

    We often say that leftists and Bernie pals want to bring Venezuela down to America, so Roy Moore is fair game. Still, isn’t it a bit weird to draw parallel between a his religious fundamentalism and outright oppressive theocracy? Your average social conservative voter will not accept Saudi level theocracy. 30-40% of the dem base is still against gay marriage.

    Other than abortions and gay wedding cake issues, republicans generally don’t push legislation based solely on religious convictions. Some states defined marriage as between men and women, but that had popular support in the past. Most punitive regulations now have to do with safety, environment, and racial issues. No one can stop them. Roy Moore wants might wish to bring back prayer back to public schools, but it’ll never pass the lowest court.

    1. Bullshit. Your average conservative wants the death penalty for abortion doctors because that book of fairy tales call the Bible something something something Jeeby Dead Guy on a Stick.

      1. Please, fine me a reputable conservative organization that calls for the deaths of abortion doctors.

        Meanwhile BLM’s influence resulted in the deaths of a dozen police officers.

        1. LOL, you think ANYONE bashing the police over ANYTHING leads to the deaths of cops, period. According to you all cops are good, bad cops are a myth, and everyone should just shut their mouths and submit to the law. And anyone who says otherwise is an evil fascist commie that hates America.

          There, now you don’t even have to reply. I just did it for you. 😉

          1. Look, Drake thinks that BLM never calls for the deaths of cops.

            Now who is it that believes in fairy tales and bullshit?

      2. Is that what the voices in your head tell you, cunt?

      3. ^THIS^ is hate speech for anyone who is interested. Not that I think we should hush him up or otherwise silence him. It is just that here you can see unrestrained religious hatred with the accompanying stereotyping of the target of his hatred.

        There is no factual basis for his hatred, although if challenged he will certainly drum up some antidotal examples of some bad individuals to use as justification. You will note though, that his statements and his supporting arguments, are similar to old style racists living in fear that the “black men are going to rape all the white women”.

      4. If any of that was even remotely true, you’d have been executed decades ago, fucking slaver.

    2. The truth of Roy Moore’s primary election has little to do with anything in this article. The establishment Republicans are HATED here. You can’t possibly exaggerate how much they are hated.

      When Mitch McConnell made it a major objective to get Luther Strange elected, it was the kiss of death for Luther Strange. Mitch doubled down and ran blanket ads on TV and Radio that were false, and everyone knew they were false.

      The genius’ in the establishment thought they could knock out Roy easily, so they focused on getting rid of what they thought were Luther’s “real” threats in the first election. They got just what they wanted and got one-on-one run-off between Luther and Roy. What they don’t seem to get is that Alabama would elect a mule rather than elect Mitch McConnell’s lap dog.

      So, Alabama voted for Roy Moore.

    3. Come to think of it, I don’t remember Bill Clinton being a champion of gay rights. His second stint as governor of Arkansas was from 1983 to 1992. In 2002, the Arkansas Supreme Court struck down a ban on sodomy. The ACLU summarizes the fight to legalize sodomy.

      So, the Governor of a state that still prohibited sodomy was an acceptable Democratic candidate for president in 1992. I’m glad we made progress. Thanks for pointing out the problems with this judge, Reason. Please take Democrats to task for their anti-gay stances as well.

      1. I didn’t know Bill Clinton was a member of the Arkansas Supreme Court in 2002. Oh wait, he wasn’t, so your point proves nothing.

  14. Apparently Shikha really doesn’t like Roy Moore. He must have some redeeming qualities.

    1. That was my thought too. Anything she hates is probably good.

    2. Dude wears a stylish hat.

  15. You would think Shikha would have gotten a job at MSNBC by now.

    1. And they would bill her a libertarian. Can you imagine?

      1. Pretty much like Bret Stephens getting called a conservative…

  16. I would have finished the article but I could not since the comparison to the US to Saudi Arabia is dumb. I expected this guy to be much worse than being pro-life, opposed to SSM, and thinks out rights and liberty come from God. I agree with him on two of those three things, and the other two, although dumb, is nothing ike what is happening in Saudi Arabia. Yikes.

    1. Since you’re so easily triggered and butthurt by some stupid fucking title [because nobody ever exaggerates, right?] that you couldn’t finish reading the damn thing, I’ll help you out.

      You said you expected alot worse? If you kept on reading instead of spazzing out you’d see he *is* worse. He doesn’t just oppose SSM, he thinks being gay should be fucking ILLEGAL. As in thrown in fucking jail, or worse. He also thinks that judges who do not explicitly state that our rights “come from God” [by which he means Yahweh, of course] should be FIRED OR IMPEACHED from the bench. Not to mention that non-Christians shouldn’t be allowed to serve in office, which totally violates the VERY explicit ban on religious tests laid out in the Constitution. Not that he cares, of course, being a theocratic douch snozzle. He’s said lots of other shit, too, but that’ll do for now; wouldn’t wanta overload you, ya know.

      There. Hope that helps. Maybe next time you should actually try reading so you fucking understand something instead of sounding like a whiny little bitch.

      1. Fuck off, idiot slaver.

  17. Moore is a Wahabbi Christian – a fundamentalist nutjob.

    I see all the H&R “libertarians” are defending him.

    Luckily, the ACLU still defends the Bill of Rights from assholes like Moore. He can take that 5300 pound granite slab and stuff it up his Wahabbi ass.

    1. The ACLU, boldly defending the Bill of Rights from bakers who want to choose which events to cater, while sitting around like pussies while left-wing demonstrators disrupt their events.

      1. My issue with conservatives is that they are such fucking scumbags in real life. Redneck, lying, duplicitous trash. (see Donald Trump)

        Witness:

        Rep. Tim Murphy, popular with pro-life movement, urged abortion in affair, texts suggest

        Good riddance. This “pro-life” asshole is like all other conservatives. They want to take freedom from others for political gain. Despicable.

        https://goo.gl/UNtxAw

        1. When conservatives violate their own principles, they hurt themselves and their families.

          When progs violate their own principles, they get rich, and their kids get into better schools.

          1. Could you tell us what happens when they observe their respective principles ?

        2. Except Trump is a Democrat in real life.

          1. I thought he was from Queens.

        3. I’ll see your one hypocritical conservative and raise you all the fuckwads who fly around the world in luxurious jets, sometimes with separate aircraft for their dogs, then tell the little people they can’t use light bulbs and shower heads because “we” have to lower our carbon emissions.

          1. See my rule above.

            A conservative violating his own principles wrecks his family, loses his money at gambling, etc., etc.

            A prog violating his principles jetsets around the world while giving their kids a quality private-school education which they would never want the poor to have.

            1. Sounds about right.

          2. Congress passed the Energy Policy Act in 1992 (Bush 41) and the light bulb ban was Bush 43.

            Progressives suck too, by the way. But at least they mean well.

            1. Whereas conservatives live in skull-shaped castles with signs on the door reading “Legion of Evil.”

              1. When Hayek wrote his great essay condemning conservatism he characterized the conservative mind as small, petty, and stuck in tradition.

                Progressives and progressive religions reject tradition and favor modern interpretation of all matters even when they are wrong – which is often. While I am no fan of the Pope he embodies modern interpretation – which is why conservatives hate him.

                Unitarians tend to be liberals while the most dogmatic are conservative (Wahhabi Christians and Muslims).

                1. To be fair to Hayek, he’s been dealing with European conservatives.

                  In contrast, PB, European on the basic principles of liberty.

                2. Muslim extremists are liberals – they want easy divorce.

                  1. To be fair to Hayek, he’s been dealing with European conservatives.

                    US conservatives are far worse.

                    Muslim extremists are liberals – they want easy divorce.

                    More sarcasm, no doubt.

                    1. Divorce-loving unitarians with think unkempt beards and poor personal hygiene? Nah, they could never be mistaken for progressives.

                    2. Nothing is worse than a cunt like you PB.

                3. Palin’s Buttplug|10.4.17 @ 9:15PM|#
                  “When Hayek wrote his great essay condemning conservatism he characterized the conservative mind as small, petty, and stuck in tradition.”

                  You are fortunate he wasn’t familiar with dishonest lefties like you at the time, turd.

                4. By that measure, progressives are now conservatives. There are no new ideas since Socialism can hardly be described as new. They just cling to ideas already proven as failures.

                  So let me restate things, Traditional Conservatives are favor of old ideas that sometimes worked in the past, and Progressive Conservatives are in favor of old ideas that always failed.

                  Libertarians say they want everyone to mind their own business and leave each other alone.

                  Traditional Conservatives want some moral values enforced by the state (although they disagree a lot about which ones) and Progressive Conservatives was some moral values enforced by the state.

                  Traditional Conservatives (these days not 100 years ago) generally want marriage licenses reserved for conditions they approve of.

                  Progressive Conservatives want marriage licenses open to any and all period. AND they demand that Traditional Conservatives agree and approve under public shaming and a requirement they participate in any associated ceremonies.

                  Yep PB, you are an excellent example of a Progressive Conservative and clearly the inspiration for Billy Joel’s “Angry Young Man”.

            2. Dems controlled Congress in both cases.

              Progressives suck too, by the way. But at least they mean well.

              Er, did you read my comment? Why do they blow so much CO2 emissions on travelling when they could just have teleconferences about global warming?

              1. There are no photo ops associated with teleconferences. And even worse, they would have to their foie gras on a bed of organic kail alone.

        4. All he does is win. All you do is cry.

          1. I suppose your parents told you that the Republican health care bill went up to live on a nice farm up north?

      2. They’re not perfect. I hate their views on the 2A. They take that insipid, braindead view of “well-regulated militias” that lefties love so much and trot out every goddamn time there’s a fuckin’ gun debate, not understanding of course the actual *meaning* and intent of the words as they were understood by the Founders.

        That said, they got some good points. They’re pretty good on free speech generally, and I know they prettymuch defend just about anyone, even nazis and other such retards, like the ones at the Unite the Right rally in exercising their 1A rights [as they should], even if they don’t particularly care for the fuckers. Sounds good to me.

        As far as bakers go, you’re right, they don’t defend it. They also don’t defend people that tell blacks or whites to get the fuck out of their stores because they don’t wanna serve niggers or honkeys. It’s the same damn principle. That doesn’t make them right to not do so in itself, but it’s consistent. Fact is most people in this country don’t support that right. It’s the totally “mainstream” view. Hell, I bet you most of those bakers don’t support the right to ban blacks or whites from their stores. To them it’s.. different somehow, just ’cause’. Total hypocrites. Just sayin’.

    2. They’re not defending Moore, they’re attacking Dalmia. DDS at work. Moore really is a religious nutjob who would have no qualms about imposing his version of Christian law on everybody, the fact that he’s not going to be able to do that as one lone Senator doesn’t mean there’s not more like him and that his win isn’t an encouragement for those. The Evangelicals fucked up the GOP because they’re the most strident activists so you need them as groundpounders even if their influence far outweighs their numbers. One guy willing to go knock on doors and talk to folks about Jesus is worth ten that might support you but only mentions it to three of his friends, two of whom aren’t even registered to vote. It’s like Iowa’s outsize influence on the primaries, you don’t get that early support and you aren’t going to last long enough to build any momentum so you gotta kowtow to the loudmouths who really could stand a thump upside the head. Moore needs a thump upside the head with a pickaxe, anybody that damn tight-assed probably has half-eaten little boys buried in his crawl-space.

    3. PB, you fucking piece of shit. If you hate him so much he must be great. I’m going to send him money based on your endorsement.

    4. This from someone that’s so full of shit the garbagemen refuse to get near it.

      1. I’ve seen better.

  18. …doubling the number of cultural events annually including standup comics…

    How do you tell a Sunni from a Shiite?
    The Sunnis are the ones with the Shiite blown out of them.

    1. How do Shiites like to fry their eggs? Sunni side up.

    2. It’s always Sunni in Saudi Arabia!

      Why? Because they won’t stand for any of Iran’s Shiite.

  19. I know I’m supposed to scared to death of Christian fundamentalists using the coercive power of government to inflict their Christian fundamentalist program on the rest of us, but after the progressives, . . .

    Progressivism is all about using the coercive power of government to force individuals to make sacrifices (often of their rights) in order to inflict their idea of the greater good on the rest of us. In principle, that really isn’t fundamentally different from Christian fundamentalists doing the same thing.

    I maintain that the socialist principles upon which ObamaCare was based are dumber than creationism. What seems more plausible, the idea that the universe is so vast and complicated that it must have taken an omnipotent power to create it–or the the idea that Barack Obama has the omnipotent power necessary to know what’s best for all of us?

    I don’t want to settle for the government forcing anything on us, but if I must choose between one or the other, I’ll take prayer and intelligent design in public school–rather than open hostility to capitalism.

    1. Progressivism is all about using the coercive power of government to force individuals to make sacrifices (often of their rights) in order to inflict their idea of the greater good on the rest of us. In principle, that really isn’t fundamentally different from Christian fundamentalists doing the same thing.

      The progressive cryptotheocracy is all the more totalitarian for it’s skirting of the separation of church and state.

      The Declaration of Independence did one miraculous thing – stated that the purpose of government was the protection of your rights, not doing Good. An explicitly non-theocratic conception of government.

      1. The core of Progressive philosophy is replacement theology. One could argue that it is an agnostic religion.

      2. Have you actually read the preamble to the Constitution?

        We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

        1. The Constitution is not our foundational document. The Declaration of Independence is.

          The Constitution is an organizational document, and not even our first. The nation existed well before it’s creation and ratification and could very well continue even after it’s demise.

          Whether it remains true to the principles laid down in the DoI remains to be seen.

  20. Though, this brings up one thing I’ve wondered before. Why do we only see articles about maybe 2 dozen congressmen? There are 535 unless one is dead right now. What are those assholes up to? Does the Senator from Oklahomo just spend time jerking off?

    1. The next election in California will be a reaction to what this guy from Alabama says to his local paper.

      This is how elections in California are decided.

      1. The campaign signs for the Democratic gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey this year say “Beat Christie, Beat Trump”. Neither Christie nor Trump are on the ballot for governor of New Jersey, but that doesn’t matter to the left. Their politics are based on picking a few politicians to demonize and then lumping all Republicans into the same tribe and punishing all Republicans for associating with those hated politicians. The Democrats are the party of hate.

  21. Conservative Christians want to bring back the 1950s. Conservative Muslims want to bring back the 950s.

    1. The 1950s were an American Golden Age of Peace and Prosperity

      1. “The 1950s were an American Golden Age of Peace and Prosperity”

        So long as you were white.
        No surprise coming from SIV.

        1. Although they suffered from institutional state discrimination in parts of the US, at least black families were together. Unlike today. While there are more opportunities, the democrats have worked tirelessly to turn black comm7nities into blighted hellholes. Far worse then sixty years ago.

          1. The skwerls ate my lengthy reply.
            Suffice to say the (gov’t-backed) unions kept blacks out of skilled jobs, you are correct that they had also not yet broken up families.
            Not a Golden Age at all.

          2. There is some truth to this. The economic success of Black Families in the 50s was better than today if you consider rate of improvement as a measure. The complete destruction of Black Society under the welfare state stalled the economic improvement of the Black population.

            Maybe it is unintended consequences, or maybe the racist progressives are just that clever.

            Today we have less institutionalized discrimination, but lowered economic progress. Without the “Great Society” the Black population might have had both. Of course, if that were the case they would not vote as a racial block for the Democrats today. Maybe they are that clever.

      2. Ask a woman if she would like to go back to the 1950s.

    2. Union leftists want to bring back the 50s too, when US industry had no real competition.

      1. That’s what Trump wants, too. That’s how he won the rust belt, by out-triangulating Billary and out-lefting them on trade.

        Nothing wrong with that, though. Doesn’t mean it can be done, necessarily, but it’s a nice idea anyway [like being young again, or being able to fly].

        1. Obama ran on protectionism when he beat Romney in 2012. Trump benefited from stealing that campaign plank in 2016. I’m for free-trade, but the Democrats are late when it comes to complaining about protectionism.

          1. My take is that Herbert Hoover, Alf Langdon and Wendell Willkie all lost because income-tax and asset-forfeiture prohibition enforcement crashed the economy. Obama won for much the same reason, and like FDR he made no mention of the way prohibition had repeatedly crashed the economy in the Bush-Reagan, Holy War Bush and Waffen Bush Administrations. The GOP and Dems, like Mohammedan and Jesus Freak conservatives, are the same thing, differing only on a couple of planks.

  22. The Alabama GOP primary was a two-for-one deal for Trump critics. His candidate lost and this guy won.

    But at least Moore is more suited as a politician than a judge.

    1. The same it true of many sitting judges who *didn’t* get fired from office.

    2. Trump was a non-issue in the Alabama primary.

      The truth of Roy Moore’s primary election has little to do with anything in this article. The establishment Republicans are HATED here. You can’t possibly exaggerate how much they are hated.

      When Mitch McConnell made it a major objective to get Luther Strange elected, it was the kiss of death for Luther Strange. Mitch doubled down and ran blanket ads on TV and Radio that were false, and everyone knew they were false.

      The genius’ in the establishment thought they could knock out Roy easily, so they focused on getting rid of what they thought were Luther’s “real” threats in the first election. They got just what they wanted and got one-on-one run-off between Luther and Roy. What they don’t seem to get is that Alabama would elect a mule rather than elect Mitch McConnell’s lap dog.

      So, Alabama voted for Roy Moore.

  23. Actually, I think Trump critics might be going about this all wrong. They could praise the president for not originally endorsing Moore, and use it as a way to show they not too anti-Trump, who is obviously very popular down there. If they’re creative enough, they could peel off a few traditional Republican voters who might think the same.

    1. Trump was a non-issue in the Alabama Primary.

      The truth of Roy Moore’s primary election has little to do with anything in this article. The establishment Republicans are HATED here. You can’t possibly exaggerate how much they are hated.

      When Mitch McConnell made it a major objective to get Luther Strange elected, it was the kiss of death for Luther Strange (who already had baggage anyway). Mitch doubled down and ran blanket ads on TV and Radio that were false, and everyone knew they were false.

      The genius’ in the establishment thought they could knock out Roy easily, so they focused on getting rid of what they thought were Luther’s “real” threats in the first election. They got just what they wanted and got one-on-one run-off between Luther and Roy. What they don’t seem to get is that Alabama would elect a mule rather than elect Mitch McConnell’s lap dog.

      So, Alabama voted for Roy Moore.

  24. Would the present members begrudge Prince Muhammad bin Salman a place on the Reason Foundation Board?

    1. Depends on how much he contributes.

      1. Are you saying that Shitma pays Reason to publish this crap?

  25. Totally OT, but I will ask again since I’ve yet to find any justification for it whatsoever:
    Why did it take the LVPD an HOUR to break that door and end the carnage?

    1. I have no idea. The whole goddamned situation is fucking weird as hell. The motive [or lack of one], the response time, why there, why now… none of this makes any fucking sense. Truly bizarre…

    2. They had to take the stairs due to the risk of elevator sabotage.

      1. And they had to walk carefully …. cause of safety!

        1. Cause our goal every day is be sure no officer gets hurt.

    3. Because cops don’t stop being government bureaucrats just because they’re doing something that libertarians consider an acceptable use of government force.

    4. No market incentive.

  26. Roy Moore Would Make America Saudi Arabia Again
    He will turn America into Saudi Arabia

    What’s this hysterical pants shitting title?
    And why is the same thing said twice?

    Shikha Dalmia

    Shikha, when the walls fell.

  27. Reason, if it wants to attack someone’s belief system, would do well to make sure its own belief system is well founded. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution do in fact claim their authority as being bestowed upon them by their creator. They state that the people must answer to a power higher than man made law.

    The ten commandments, laws shared by Jews, Christians, and Muslims, are indeed considered to be of the highest authority.

    I didn’t come here to argue about how accurate the Bible is, or to what extent our laws should reflect the teaching of the Bible. But Moore is dead right when he states that our Constitution is based on Christian thinking and beliefs. Don’t like it that way? The Constitution allows for changes through amendments. The Constitution could even be amended out of existence. What is unconstitutional, and is a slap in the face to everyone with any self respect, is the belief by some that the federal judiciary is the final authority on everything. Many states have thumbed their nose at federal marijuana laws. Many states, previously, thumbed their nose at federal Jim Crow laws. Is Reason prepared to condemn any one or any state who has done this? Then, why do you condemn Moore, who is really doing the same thing, but with a different vision? Can a state post the ten commandments on its property? The constitution doesn’t prohibit it. But the Constitution does prohibit the federal judiciary from stopping them.

    1. Let’s take a look at the Ten Commandments. The first 4 — (1) I am the lord thy god, and thou shalt have no other god, (2) No graven images, (3) No taking of my name in vain, (4) Honor the sabbath — have nothing to do with individual conduct toward others and everything to do with religious belief. Mandating them would be a clear violation of religious freedom.

      As for murder and theft, there has never been a society — Roman, Greek, Egyptian, secular, Buddhist, Jewish, Confucian, Christian or Islamic — that has not had laws against these acts. To say that the Ten Commandments are the source of these morals is to say there was never a civil society before the mythical Moses brought them down from Mt. Sinai. Most societies have also frowned on perjury (bearing false witness), and adultery. Today, though, adultery is usually a matter of divorce law rather than criminal law, at least in the U.S.

      Honoring your parents is a harmless rule but clearly unenforceable by law. The “do not covet” Commandment basically means don’t even think about it. Sounds almost totalitarian.

      The same bible that contains these Ten Commandments has also been used to justify slavery, censorship, racism, war and the subjugation of women. But that’s another story.

      1. “Honoring your parents is a harmless rule but clearly unenforceable by law”
        Deuteronomy 21:18-21 disagrees.

        1. In a society where the bible — with all its contradictions — is the law, under his passage from Deuteronomy, a child would be stoned to death for disobeying his parents.

      2. I could toss out the NT in order to tell you that God’s orders concerning MANY things don’t apply here and now.

        Deuteronomy 12:1 “These are the decrees and laws you must be careful to follow in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, has given you to possess?as long as you live in the land.” This command is repeated several times in slightly different phrasing.

        Leviticus 25:23 “The land must never be sold on a permanent basis, for the land belongs to me. You are only foreigners and tenant farmers working for me.”

        What do we learn here? That land was God’s land. He gave it to the Israelites as “tenant farmers”, not as their own “property” as you and I would think of it. The Covenant (Deuteronomy 29 as well as elsewhere) to possess the land came with certain conditions, and God’s law (Exodus through Deuteronomy) were the conditions.

        Now, that isn’t to say that there are no useful moral laws to find in these passages of the OT it’s just that the punishments certainly would NOT apply today, as we don’t live in ancient Israel.

        For instance, we learn in the NT that mindless following moral rules does NOT save someone, so trying to get non-Christians to follow Christian morals is counterproductive. It is faith that saves someone, and to back that up, the OT says, “And Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD counted him as righteous because of his faith.”

        1. Roy Moore and his fellow social status-quo conservatives can’t just admit to their prejudices or dislikes. (A supporter of South Africa’s apartheid in the early 1990s simply said on CNN “we don’t like black people”.) Instead, they use religion to justify their prejudices by wrapping them up in cherry-picked bible verses and thus putting those prejudices above question. This is nothing new. Before their battles against the “LGBT agenda”, social status-quo conservatives used religion to support Jim Crow, anti-Semitism, Prohibition, banning the teaching of evolution, anti-Mormonism, anti-Catholicism, and slavery. They always portrayed themselves as the victims of an oncoming “demonic” onslaught. They didn’t debate with their opponents, but instead demonized them.

          Don’t want to co-exist or live among people of different religions or cultures.? There’s bible verse for that. Check out Exodus and Deuteronomy. The Hebrews, before their mythical conquest of Canaan, were prohibited from mixing with peoples of other beliefs or even making treaties with the Canaanites. Entire peoples, including women and children, were wiped out, according to those stories. (That’s a verse for genocide.) Go to Leviticus for warnings against gay relationships (it doesn’t say anything about lesbian relationships). Check out Deuteronomy for rules against crossdressing.

          1. Yes, God had property rights (Leviticus 25:23) to his land in Palestine and could decide who gets to go there and under which conditions. After all, if you had squatters on your land who were sacrificing their own children, you’d be well within your rights to kill them if they didn’t get off your land. Did you note how many times God actually said he drove “the nations out before” his people? Remember, none of these rules applied to anyone not living on God’s claimed land.

            It’s all a fundamental misunderstanding as to what the purposes of the Law were. Galatians and Hebrews explains it quite well, but even the ancient Jews knew it only applied to them! Modern people are really dumb sometimes.

        2. Nothing irritates social conservatives than being reminded of more inclusive bible verses, like love thy neighbor, judge not lest ye be judged, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

          1. To be fair, God does tell Christians to judge each other, and tells us what right and wrong is (and that we’ll “judge the angels”). And, the verse to avoid judging or you will be judged is misapplied under most cases, it is:

            “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.”

            So that’s more “quit being hypocrites” rather than “don’t ever tell people they are wrong”.

            Any Christian (who has any concept that the term mean “little Christ”, or “Christ imitator”) should want people to turn from their sin and sincerely want to avoid punishing others for sins they commit, unless those sins hurt others (I guess we’d say “initiate force”), and only then as repayment to the victim, not to get in the way of God’s justice. After all:

            “I will take revenge; I will pay them back. In due time their feet will slip. Their day of disaster will arrive, and their destiny will overtake them.” Deuteronomy 32:35

    2. There is no god and never was.

      When you die, it will be blank nothingness forever.

      But that’s comforting, is it not? You won’t be anywhere, so you won’t have the capacity to care.

      1. “There are no Gods, no angels, no devils, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens the hearts and enslaves minds.”
        — Robert Ingersoll

        1. The are so sure of what they say, you just gotta believe them…Atheists! It’s just like a religion.

      2. Multiplying someone else’s unverifiable prophesy by -1 is still the same thing, just different direction, kind’ve like Bibles and Korans.

    3. “Many states, previously, thumbed their nose at federal Jim Crow laws.”

      Actually, the Jim Crow laws were state laws.

  28. I’m willing to give him a chance to get kicked out of the Senate

    1. I am looking forward to him driving Mitch McConnell to retire in frustration! WIN!!

  29. Worst author ever.

  30. A major reason Roy Moore won the primary is that his opponent, Luther Strange, was tainted from the start. Strange was appointed by Governor Bentley to fill the Senate seat vacated by Jeff Sessions. Before that, Strange was the state attorney general, elected to that position in 2010 and 2014. But when he took the Senate appointment, his office was investigating the Governor, who later resigned. Accepting an appointment from someone you’re investigating is going to leave a big, bad mark.

    Alabama voters have already rejected Moore twice in statewide elections, both of them Governor’s races. Moore once finished fourth in the GOP primacy. But if his Democratic opponent in the Senate general election isn’t formidable, Moore may win that race, just like he won the primary, by default.

    Yes, Moore, the former “high priest” chief justice of Alabama (defrocked twice), is a religious nut. If elected, he’ll be the 21st century’s Jesse Helms. On the bright side, though, Moore is already 70, a bit on the old side (Helms was only 51 when he was first elected to the Senate). Plus, as a junior Senator, he won’t be in any position to steer legislation through the Senate. Like any member of Congress, he’ll be able to introduce any bills he wants to, no matter how crazy or unconstitutional they are, but they won’t go anywhere without support from the leadership.

  31. Roy Moore is not as bad as John Wayne Gacy. He actually doesn’t, as far as we know, murder kids and bury them in his crawlspace. So that means he’ll be a perfectly fine senator. Even if he does murder children, he’ll probably vote for tax cuts for billionaires. Nobody’s perfect!

    1. Tony is not as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer– as far as I know, he hasn’t actually eaten anyone yet.

  32. Next time Shackford feels like writing a “why aren’t more gays Libertarians?” article, I hope he looks at this comment section.

    1. It doesn’t matter. They’ve all been indoctrinated into the left wing political ideology up, down and sideways anyway. As soon as they read about how people have the right to free association, AKA the right to NOT associate, they’d be heading for the door because they’ve been told they deserve special treatment… But the fact that they’re mostly left wing even economically is enough to keep them from even thinking about the possibility in the first place anyway. This despite the fact that their average income is actually higher than heterosexual men of otherwise similar demographics, hence they’re being screwed by the state. It’s a rather queer situation really 😉

      Maybe younger gay people might be able to be swayed going into the future, but current generations that are already adults are a lost cause IMO.

      NOW Asians, there’s one that REALLY confuses me! They make more money than whites, hence get soaked in taxes. Even white nationalists/supremacists admit they have higher average IQs, and don’t generally mind Asian immigrants if they integrate reasonably well. So they’re wealthy AND not oppressed… So why do the identity politics hold any sway with them and make them vote left??? It’s a mystery to me. If anything a white/Asian coalition should be the conservative/libertarian demographic, but the Asians just aren’t into it for some reason. Maybe it’s because they don’t have souls? LOL

  33. “…again…”

    Again?

    Go fuck yourself Dalmia.

  34. Shika Shika, what would Reason do without her! She has alerted us to the coming American Taliban who will save us and purge the Muslim Taliban. They will stop Shika from driving and writing, so there is an upside!

  35. …and when he does. reason.com Republicans posing as libertarians will be cheering him with strained attempts at making him sound like a harbinger of liberty while conveniently apologizing for this article.

    “We were not hopeful, but he has surprised us”

  36. Amazingly good article. US Conservatives do differ from Mohammedan conservatives, but only in degree–and yes, fewer beards. Why a non-meddlesome America is bad compared to the current meddlesome terrorist magnets was not clearly explained. But if not constantly bombing the other side of the planet means an isolationist Fortress America, then I’m for it.

    1. Wow, I didn’t think anyone with a negative IQ would be able to type.

  37. As far as Roy Moore, whadda you expect? When they left has gone beyond reasonableness on their end, any rational person would expect extremism on the other end to counter balance it. I have had many gay friends in my life, and a few tranny friends to boot. I have zero problem with “the gays” in general. But pushing to have transgendered students in the opposite sexes shower rooms in public schools… That’s something that has even me a bit weirded out. I’m pretty sure that if you asked 15 year old high school kids in the US today in a survey

    “Would you feel comfortable being naked in a locker room or shower with people of the opposite biological sex?”

    The majority would say they’d feel uncomfortable. And that’s WITH all the proggie stuff being pushed and them feeling like they HAVE to answer in the proggie way or they’re awful people. I’m all for letting private institutions set their own rules and whatever, but forcing this stuff in public institutions is a bit much. As is trying to allow trans people to participate in sports as members of the sex they “identify” with. If that happens no natural born woman will ever win an award in sports ever again for any sport that prizes speed, strength, or endurance. They might still with where flexibility is paramount though.

    But yeah, if even somebody like ME who has had gay friends since middle school is sick of it, I can only imagine how a moderate Christian or hardcore bible thumper must feel.

  38. And then there’s this:

    “It has become deeply hostile to the true source of American greatness, its receptiveness to outside influences, whether in the form of ideas, people or products. It has become the enemy of what the British philosopher Karl Popper famously called the “open society” that sees alien influences not as a threat but as a source of progress allowing it to constantly reinvent and improve itself.”

    America was great because of almost entirely western ideas, western technologies, and was built 90% by western people (and some slaves of course). Drowning out WESTERN culture is what many people are worried about. Since other cultures DO NOT share the western values that made America great (This is objectively speaking. See many surveys of opinions.), it’s not a completely 100% unfounded thing to worry about. Foreigners don’t respect free speech like we do, the 2nd amendment like we do, or any number of other things. It’s kind like the Obamacare argument:

    “If you like your country, you can keep it!”

    But a cursory reading of voting patterns of foreign born people, including Europeans, but especially if they’re colored people, shows that that is not a likely outcome of mass immigration. I would be 99% less apprehensive of large scale immigration if EVERY SINGLE FOREIGN DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP (Except Cuban exiles, where it was super self selected) didn’t vote waaaay to the left of native born people. But they do.

    1. So there’s the reality check on why people with common sense aren’t big on changing our values… Our values are better than these other cultures values, so we don’t have much/anything to gain by diluting ours.

      Bible thumping isn’t my thing, but the other bits of our culture are all pure western. They’re all intertangled though, so people are fighting for bible thumpy things because it’s hard to distinguish some of that from our secular values, and just the fact that in many cases the same people who care about our secular values happen to also care about our religious values. I don’t agree on a lot of it, but I UNDERSTAND where these people are coming from.

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