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Hillary Clinton

Hillary: I Lost Because Bernie Promised Everyone a Pony

Politicians have cultivated economic illiteracy to make their pursuit of power easier.

Ed Krayewski | 9.5.2017 12:45 PM

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In her forthcoming book about the 2016 election, What Happened, Hillary Clinton complains that her chief opponent in the primaries, Bernie Sanders, consistently undercut her by one-upping her "bold" and "ambitious" proposals without explaining how his policies would work.

In other words, Sanders did to Clinton what Democrats have done to their critics for years: Frame any worry about the costs and unintended consequences of a program as a lack of concern for the problem the program is supposed to address. After years of cultivating economic illiteracy, the party reaped the results.

In an excerpt tweeted by a supporter ahead of the book's release, Clinton compared Sanders to the deranged hitchhiker in There's Something About Mary whose get-rich-quick scheme involves cribbing the famous "eight minute abs" program with his own "seven minute abs." Ben Stiller, who picks him up, points out that nothing's stopping him from cutting it down to six-minute abs.

"On issue after issue, it was like he kept proposing four-minute abs, or even no-minute abs," Clinton complained of Sanders. "Magic abs!"

Clinton continued by sharing a Facebook post she said someone sent her. The post compared Sanders' various positions to a belief that "America should get a pony." When Clinton expresses skepticism about the idea, Sanders says she thinks "America doesn't deserve a pony" and his supporters declare that Clinton hates ponies. Her clarification that actually she loves ponies is then treated as a flip-flop.

The reaction to the excerpt helped illustrate Clinton's point. Several Sanders supporters in the Twitter thread complained that Clinton dared to compare single-payer healthcare to ponies. "Funny that she likens no one dying or going into debt because they don't have enough money to a 'pony,'" a typical response read. Projecting the worst possible motives onto your opponents is a lot easier than explaining your own positions.

On the specific case of single payer, the same process has been playing out in California this year. Supporters of single payer didn't have a plan to overcome the procedural hurdles they faced. So instead they disingenuously blamed Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon, who had to shelf the bill, and for that was the target of mass protests and death threats.

"Rather than committing to raising the millions of dollars that would be needed to overcome special interests and pass that initiative, they would, apparently, rather deceive their supporters, hiding the realities of California's woeful political structure in favor of a morality play designed to advance careers and aggrandize power," The Intercept's David Dayen explained. "That may sound harsh. It's gentle."

Clinton has identified a real problem in American politics, even as she elides its roots. Both parties have promoted economic ignorance, because that makes it easier to make wild promises and then find scapegoats when the promises fall through. The consequences are all around us.

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  1. colorblindkid   8 years ago

    She was so close. The problem isn't that Bernie was promising a pony with no way to pay for it, it's that Bernie was promising a bigger pony than the pony Hillary Clinton was promising, without any way to pay for hers either.

    1. Anarcissie   8 years ago

      Come on -- all that is necessary is to cut back on war and imperialism and other public entertainments. The 'pay for' is not the problem.

    2. Hank Phillips   8 years ago

      Bernie, the Greens and the Communist party ALSO wanted carbon taxes and European laws against reliable electrical generation. The LP wanted energy freedom (328% market share increase with 4 Megavotes), and the Go-Pee copied that (and won the electoral college, sinecures, appointments and graft). Compare the platforms. Energy planks were the only important difference.

  2. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    It's not fair!

    1. albo   8 years ago

      I still prefer Hillary's Inner Tracy Flick
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rleUPHX8yfM

    2. Unemployed Armenian Tranny   8 years ago

      Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, at least its an ethos.

  3. Don't look at me.   8 years ago

    A pony in every pot.

    1. Wizard4169   8 years ago

      Pot for every pony!

      Seems more achievable, somehow.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    After years of cultivating economic illiteracy, the party reaped the results.

    Ka. Boom.

    1. Unemployed Armenian Tranny   8 years ago

      Yeah, I actually slow-clapped.

    2. p3orion   8 years ago

      What out-Democrats the Democrats? Socialism!

  5. Crusty Juggler   8 years ago

    In her forthcoming book about the 2016 election, What Happened, Hillary Clinton complains that

    Every nerd is going to make this reference?

    That's right!

    1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      I certainly would have, had I read that far into the post.

    2. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      Let's not bring Fred Willard into this mess.

  6. Scarecrow Repair & Chippering   8 years ago

    Excellent alt-text!

  7. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   8 years ago

    Live by it, die by it.

  8. BYODB   8 years ago


    In other words, Sanders did to Clinton what Democrats have done to their critics for years:

    Yeah, it was only a matter of time until some wingnut realized that those tactics can be used on anyone. Sanders was a man ahead of his time, if only he could bother with trying. Socialism isn't known for it's work ethic, though.

    Remember, kids, when seeking higher office promise the moon and if your opponent questions you just call them a racist, poor hating bigot that wants to eat babies!

    1. Malvolio   8 years ago

      "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury."
      ? Alexander Fraser Tytler

      1. BYODB   8 years ago

        Well, that's one potential source for the quote. Tytler was an interesting guy though, I still find the Tytler cycle instructive.

  9. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    SOP for politicians.

    Trump promised every US citizen would have the greatest government paid healthcare in history and he would cut taxes and balance the budget and not cut any entitlements at the same time.

    The ponies just change colors every four-eight years.

    1. AZ Gunowner   8 years ago

      I'm glad to see that you are an equal opportunity buttplug.

    2. Macy's Window   8 years ago

      Any sympathy that I have for the Left disappears when I read vile, sophomoric crap from people like you, PB.

  10. Juice   8 years ago

    4 minutes working out your abs is a pretty good time. If you do that every day or almost every day then you'll have good ab muscles. It's not too good to be true. It's just true.

    1. mortiscrum   8 years ago

      People don't want strong trunk muscles, they want 6-pack abs. And 4 minutes a day is woefully inadequate to that task.

    2. Lester224   8 years ago

      You can have good abs with 4 minutes a day. However, you have to get all the fat off from over and around them to see them at all.

      1. Macy's Window   8 years ago

        ^This.

    3. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      It's one of those silly things. Most exercises are pretty easy and reasonable to do on any day to day basis. The hard part is doing it over time.

  11. Chinny Chin Chin   8 years ago

    Projecting the worst possible motives onto your opponents is a lot easier than explaining your own positions.

    This place would be awfully quiet if we all did that, Ed.

    1. Cloudbuster   8 years ago

      Why do you hate Ed?

  12. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    Six outrageous fucked up promises (Bernie or Trump?) made on health care:

    http://www.politico.com/story/.....ses-236021

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   8 years ago

      Only 6?

      1. Sevo   8 years ago

        Well, turd hasn't gotten to Obo yet. That's when the totals really start climbing.

  13. Rebel Scum   8 years ago

    'TheBern!' is just part of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

  14. some guy   8 years ago

    Wait, I thought Clinton beat Sanders, then lost to Trump. Do people really think the run against Sanders cost Clinton enough votes to change the general election? I'm doubtful. What Happened is that she was one of the worst candidates in living memory who nevertheless ran her campaign like she couldn't possibly lose.

    1. I can't even   8 years ago

      The exposure to the fix the DNC had in for Hillary didn't help.

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   8 years ago

        That will be covered in the book, where she blames Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for not being manipulative enough, and Donna Brazile for not slipping debate questions to her a few hours earlier.

        And all the superdelegates she had in her pocket, for merely being mediocre.

    2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

      The polls had her three points up so she soft pedaled while the Con Man kept lying 24/7. Unfortunately for Hil-Dog all three of those points were contained in California and she lost by only 80,000 votes in three swing states.

      Was she a lousy candidate? Of course she was. Romney or Obama would have trounced either of 2016's candidates.

      1. Sevo   8 years ago

        Palin's Buttplug|9.5.17 @ 1:22PM|#
        "The polls had her three points up so she soft pedaled while the Con Man kept lying 24/7."

        So she lost in the lying contest, turd?
        Whatever makes you feel like less of a loser....

  15. Brian   8 years ago

    How many scapegoats have to die before democrats can move on.org?

    1. I am the 0.000000013%   8 years ago

      Peter, Paul, Mary, and Brian?

  16. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

    If Stephen Wright can have a pony I see no reason why all Americans can't.

    1. $park? leftist poser   8 years ago

      I had a pony!

  17. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    Clinton compared Sanders to the deranged hitchhiker in There's Something About Mary whose get-rich-quick scheme involves cribbing the famous "eight minute abs" program with his own "seven minute abs." Ben Stiller, who picks him up, points out that nothing's stopping him from cutting it down to six-minute abs.

    "On issue after issue, it was like he kept proposing four-minute abs, or even no-minute abs," Clinton complained of Sanders. "Magic abs!"

    And people are embarrassed by President Trump.

    1. Ron   8 years ago

      what we learned from this is that she finally had time to binge watch all the movies she missed while trying to screw over America and thus she used an outdated movie to make a point

  18. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

    Just another example of how she can't take personal responsibility.

    That's what happened.

  19. Sevo   8 years ago

    "The post compared Sanders' various positions to a belief that "America should get a pony." When Clinton expresses skepticism about the idea, Sanders says she thinks "America doesn't deserve a pony" and his supporters declare that Clinton hates ponies. Her clarification that actually she loves ponies is then treated as a flip-flop."

    Something regarding a petard comes to mind here.

  20. Ken Hagler   8 years ago

    I wonder how long it will be before the Democrat cheerleaders start insisting that Bernie Sanders is in league with the eeeevil Russians?

    1. Tony   8 years ago

      He was, although unwittingly (I assume--he was pretty cozy with them when they were the Soviets).

      Anti-Hillary trash flooded Bernie bros' Facebook feeds, direct from Russia. Hard to quantify the effect, but it certainly isn't nothing.

  21. Carlos Inconvenience   8 years ago

    Hillary and Bernie, the High School Years

  22. sarcasmic   8 years ago

    I had a pony, her name was Lucifer

    (link is to a Dead Weather song that is like totally awesome and stuff, if you're into loud guitars, loud drums, and sexy female singers)

  23. albo   8 years ago

    Welcome to Who's to Blame for Hillary's Failure? Town. Population, you.

    1. ATXChappy   8 years ago

      It takes a village.

  24. Jerryskids   8 years ago

    Bernie was promising everybody a pony, Hillary was promising a nag.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

      ^^ for the win.

      1. Longtobefree   8 years ago

        And a 6.7 from the East German judge!

  25. Longtobefree   8 years ago

    I don't remember Bernie promising everyone a pony.
    Did I waste my vote?
    I really, really wanted a pony. It could be my comfort animal. I would train it to kick at every politician who walks by.

  26. mpercy   8 years ago

    She was the the consummate veteran politician and most qualified person to ever run for the office..."There has never been any man or woman more qualified for this office than Hillary Clinton," Obama said.

    Mr. Obama had campaigned more for Democrat Hillary Clinton than any modern sitting president had for his party's nominee.

    And Trump is perhaps the most vilified person (and not without cause) ever to run for the office and before the election, and he is despised by many in his own party.

    And she still couldn't muster the win?

    The rookie Trump strategically and tactically outplayed her.

    She lost 5 states that Obama carried twice...she needs to just STFU and go home.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

      ""she needs to just STFU and go home."'

      But first she needs to publish a book so the Clinton foundation can spend millions buying them to help her be a NYT bestselling author.

  27. Colossal Douchebag   8 years ago

    The pony is there, you just have to keep digging.

  28. Shapu   8 years ago

    Huh, wasn't the main difference between the two that Clinton restricted her pony-promise to everyone except the "rich" and white males? Just to have someone pay for all those ponies? And enough immigrant labor to clean up after them?

  29. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

    Every freaking month now: "I lost because of [something that absolves me of blame]"

    1. Tony   8 years ago

      Many of the explanations that blame her don't wash logically. It can't be that she was the less-liked candidate, as she got the most votes by far (both primary and general). It can't be anything related to that. You can't say the election hinged on charm and personality and then say "She couldn't even beat that revolting cretin Trump." Makes no sense.

      She won the popularity contests. She just lost the stupid-ass nonsensical electoral college contest. So fault her for miscalculating that worthless piece of shit system.

      1. ThatSkepticGuy   8 years ago

        She only won the popularity contest in California, which is exactly why that idiotic system doesn't determine the outcome. And if you want to persist playing that game like the lying idiot you are, more people abstained from voting than voted for that evil psychopath.

        Trying to blame her loss on anything but her being the most hated woman in the damn world hold no water.

      2. Leo Kovalensky   8 years ago

        Up until this election, we didn't know how dirty the politics of our presidents were until after they were elected. Hillary's corruption was well known from the 1990's, and then reaffirmed just before this election. That's why she lost the election. Plain and simple. To argue that several thousand people in swing states weren't either swayed or at least turned off by this corruption is illogical. Blame Podesta if you like for getting phished, but at the end of the day the corruption was all Hillary's.

        Trump was an outsider. And while he made overtly sexist and racist comments at times, it wasn't obvious before the election that he was anywhere nearly as corrupt as Hillary.

      3. AZ Gunowner   8 years ago

        "she got the most votes by far "

        oh, really?

        Clinton, 61,350,000

        Trump 60,584,000

        Total 121,934. Clintons edge was 766,000 nationwide.

        That's less than .01 of the total.

        That is a looooong ways from being "by far".

        It was statistically a tie.

        Not only are people economically illiterate they are mathematically illiterate.

      4. AZ Gunowner   8 years ago

        "she got the most votes by far "

        oh, really?

        Clinton, 61,350,000

        Trump 60,584,000

        Total 121,934. Clintons edge was 766,000 nationwide.

        That's less than .01 of the total.

        That is a looooong ways from being "by far".

        It was statistically a tie.

        Not only are people economically illiterate they are mathematically illiterate.

        1. Raff   8 years ago

          Where did you come up with those numbers? The final tally was Clinton with 65,853,516 and Trump with 62,984,824.

          Cook vote tracker

          FEC official results

      5. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

        It can't be that she was the less-liked candidate, as she got the most votes by far (both primary and general).

        Not really. More people voted for someone other than Hillary.

  30. Enjoy Every Sandwich   8 years ago

    I'm gonna have to get a couple of hundred terabytes of storage space to keep track of all of Hillary's excuses for losing.

  31. I am the 0.000000013%   8 years ago

    Apparently the Russian thing has played out? It's so hard to keep up with who's to blame. Can't we go back to simpler times when we only had to choose between Bush and global warming?

    1. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

      I bet Russia is still in there. If I were to guess, having no plans to ever read it, the book is structured so that each chapter assigns blame to someone else

      Chapter 1: Russia
      Chapter 2: Podesta getting phished
      Chapter 3: Anthony Weiner
      Chapter 4: The media
      Chapter 5: Sexism
      Chapter 6: Obama administration not investigating Russia harder
      Chapter 7: Racism
      Chapter 8: Comey
      Chapter 9: Bernie
      Chapter 10: Jill Stein

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

        Chapter 11: My Emails

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

        Perhaps chapter three explains it all.

        She's never been good with Weiner.

      3. Len Bias   8 years ago

        There's also Chapters 12,13,14 & 15: Also Sexism

  32. Len Bias   8 years ago

    No, she lost because Obama promised everyone a pony.

  33. Tony   8 years ago

    This should have been a more prominent critique during the primary. Apparently Obama told her to lay off Bernie. Didn't want to enrage those weirdos anymore than they already were by the fact of her shrill voice and what not.

    1. Sevo   8 years ago

      Tony|9.5.17 @ 6:06PM|#
      "...Apparently Obama told her to lay off Bernie."

      So Tony proposes Chapter 16

  34. JohnKing   8 years ago

    I thought Sanders promised everyone a Free Unicorn!

  35. teeduke   8 years ago

    This woman has become a painfully tragic figure who has Groundhog Day'd herself into tragicomedy. Please, no more coverage of her. For our sake and hers. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point she is placed on a suicide watch by her family. Although some would argue that she already committed suicide.

  36. KH   8 years ago

    That's funny, when I was an organizer, it was "...and he'll give every little girl a pony." Now we're promising little ponies to everyone? That's just irresponsible.

  37. Ayuleen   8 years ago

    That was Vermin Supreme, Hillary. Bernie offered less deodorants. I mean, I get that at this point, it is hard to distinguish between candidates, just as it is difficult to distinguish between you and the symbol of political corruption in America. That is even impossible, I?d say.

  38. Gordon Hilgers   8 years ago

    I laugh every time Libertarians and conservatives advocate for more erasure of social welfare programs, i.e. "the pony", mainly because those were part of a national security strategy, tried and true in both Europe and the US, that intended to and actually did keep revolutionary communist insurgencies from steering economic disenfranchisement into revolutionary unrest. Along with independent unions, which knocked the IWW out, social welfare programs have also helped a lot of people.

    The erasure of these, the end to unionization, and the repeal of important commercial regulation will have an interesting effect: the return of the same insurgencies Liberalism defeated the first time around. And, no, Ayn Rand's dippy wannabe philosophy isn't going to cut it anywhere.

    Marxists probably consider American conservatism to be the best "convenient idiot" friend they could ever wish for, and my bet is on a fierce blowback to the unwise policies driven by people who are apparently far too dumb to realize that their private welfare depends upon the public welfare they find so inconvenient.

    Antifa seems scary. Just wait. I predict so much rancor the editors of Reason are going to be running through the streets in their underpants because they just weren't quick enough to keep that wolf from their doors, pony or not.

    Have a great time when it happens.

    1. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

      Your poetry is shit, Gordo.

  39. Gwen   8 years ago

    Actually, that was Vermin Supreme that ran on the pony platform.

  40. swampwiz   8 years ago

    I am a "yellow-dog" Democrat, but anytime i read an article about Hillary, I get nauseous.

  41. Craig J Bolton   8 years ago

    Bernie may have "promised" (try "proposed" if you want to be accurate) free universities and single-payer medical care, but he couldn't top Hillary on the America World Policeman and condescension fronts. (After all, she married into the aristocratic class of, ah, Arkansas.)

  42. Marshal   8 years ago

    He can't promise everyone a pony!

    Right, only we can promise everyone a pony!

  43. Thomas O.   8 years ago

    Wasn't John the one posting in articles relating to gay marriage or whatever about "everyone just wants their pony"?

    I think Hillary ripped him off (hoo hoo)

  44. Sugarsail   8 years ago

    I must say I'm enjoying watching fascists and communists whine about each other's losses.

  45. skunkman   8 years ago

    What we all think of Trump is irrelevant. Hillary lost because she was the worst candidate that has ever run for President in a major party. The democrats need to stop the whining and examine how they got screwed into having no legitimate competition against Hillary. Yes, it follows her SOP - corruption. She didn't lose because she was too focused on policy or because others promised more. She lost because she sucked. Until the democrats realize that Trump was not elected because every person that voters for him is racist or stupid they will probably continue to lose. I refused to vote for the orange fool, but only an imbecile could believe that she would have been better. Americans had two awful choices and the one chance the LIbertarians had was blown because they soiled themselves and chose a Tommy Chong stand in and a half wit New England elitist as their 'team." Yay, team.

    1. Hank Phillips   8 years ago

      The parties with the worst planks lost. The parties with the best planks won.

    2. Sevo   8 years ago

      skunkman|9.6.17 @ 6:49PM|#
      "..."She lost because she sucked..."

      How badly does she suck?
      SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO badly that she lost to an obnoxious blowhard named Trump!
      THAT'S how bad she is.

  46. Hank Phillips   8 years ago

    The Democratic party platform did not offer to repeal prohibition--a gimmick that worked from 1932-1952. Instead the Dems promised to ban fuels and make electric power a controlled substance. That platform lost. The LP plank wants energy kept safe, legal and unsubsidized. The GO-Pee copied that plank and then some.
    The outcome? The pro-energy planks won the popular vote and electoral college. The combined Dem, Green and CPUSA anti-energy plank vote draw lost in the popular and electoral college vote counts. This was the only significant difference among the looter parties.

  47. Rockabilly   8 years ago

    You lost cause you're a blood thirsty war monger, a liar, a cheat, hate individual liberty, and are an all around bitch.

    Hillary Clinton will NEVER be president !!! LOL @ U Loser!!!

    LOL x infinity !!!

  48. mysmartstuffs   8 years ago

    Just another example of how she can't take personal responsibility.

    That's what happened.
    My recent post: Laptop Legacy Review
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  49. mysmartstuffs   8 years ago

    Actually, that was Vermin Supreme that ran on the pony platform.
    My recent post: Disruptive Design Origin Collection Review

  50. rxc   8 years ago

    But this would make so many people feel better - more secure, happier, without worries. And that is the ultimate Progressive framing - all of their proposals are based on feelings, which don't contribute anything, don't produce anything, don't really help anyone, and in the end, are meaningless.

    In the words of the immortal Mayor-for-Life Marion S. Barry - "Get over it."

  51. overbyte   8 years ago

    Bernie's single-payer healthcare bill was supported by an economic study showing how it would be paid for and how much it would save the country as a whole and individuals and companies. It was well substantiated. The media published bogus articles that only looked at the cost of providing healthcare, not how much we already pay and will pay in the future if nothing changes, and not how much we could save by getting insurance companies out of the system and negotiating drug prices like the VA does and all other major countries do.

    Likewise, the California single-payer bill SB-562, although the financing plan wasn't in the bill in the Senate, did have a study showing how it could be paid for and how much it would save us. The authors told the Senate that the bill would be amended in the Assembly to incorporate the financing plan that had not been completed soon enough to include it in the Senate bill. Assembly Speaker Rendon is single-handedly blocking the bill from the normal legislative process to amend, debate, and adopt it, as laws are supposed to be made. The only reason SB-562 single-payer isn't making progress in California is that Rendon is under the influence of higher powers, either political pressure or economic pressure from the insurance, drug, medical device, and hospital industries. He is now being challenged by a recall effort in his district.

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