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Americans Can Fight Bigotry Without Trump's Help

The president's appalling equivocation on Charlottesville is strengthening private moral forces

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One big danger with modern-day presidents has been that they are too eager to improve the nation's moral health. They either hector the country to atone

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for its past sins (Barack Obama). Or they aggressively push it to the promised land of moral perfection (Teddy Roosevelt who declared that he would do "battle for the Lord" to improve mankind during his term). But President Trump's antics since the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville confirm that with him we face the opposite danger: He will destroy the moral progress this country has made over the last 250 years.

Fortunately, ordinary Americans are waking up to that reality and rather than looking to the alleged conscience-in-chief to beat back the rising tide of racism and bigotry, they are taking matters in their own hands. This may well prove to be a healthy development that will strengthen national morality by decentralizing it.

America's founders were suspicious of presidents playing moral hero; James Madison even maintained that a president should have "no particle of spiritual jurisdiction." But not in their wildest dreams could they have imagined that the country would one day be led by a moral moron who not only lacks moral common sense but also any feeling for this country's moral history.

The two fixed lodestars in America's moral map were set by its great struggles against slavery and Nazism. One can question the means that the nation deployed against these two evils but not that they were worth fighting. After all, they represent an affront to every sacred principle this country stands for—equality, liberty, and justice. America sacrificed over 750,000 soldiers (not counting the Confederate casualties), more than all its other conflicts combined, in the service of these two causes.

And yet Trump dumped cold water on them when he blithely elevated neo-Nazis to the same status as those protesting them, not once, but twice. Moreover, he implied that there was no big moral divide between Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, on the one hand, and Robert E. Lee, on the other — never mind that Jefferson and Washington despised slavery whereas Lee, the confederate general, fought to preserve this cruel institution nearly a century later. Nor was Trump simply making a slippery slope argument when he warned that tearing down Lee's statue would inevitably visit the same fate on America's slave-owning founders. Indeed, after his original comments, he went even further, and lamented on Twitter the removal of "our beautiful statutes and monuments."

In other words, he is no longer even claiming—as some Southerners have the decency to do—that Lee's statues are warts that need to be preserved to remind us of our ugly history. No, they need to be maintained because they are "beautiful."

In light of this, more and more Americans are giving up on waiting for this president to change his tune. He is irredeemable. So they are spontaneously springing into action in ways big and small to counter the damage he is doing.

Many of the CEOs on Trump's White House business advisory panel and the Manufacturing Jobs Initiative council quit in disgust after his unhinged press conference last week, forcing him to disband the groups. His arts panel followed suit shortly after.

And Republicans, most of whom have not exactly distinguished themselves with the firmness of their backbone, lashing out too. Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) launched his own twitter storm against Trump, lambasting him for coddling outfits whose ideas are responsible for the "worst crimes against humanity." Likewise, Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain (Ariz.) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) along with Rep Justin Amash (Mich.) have condemned Trump in the strongest terms—although House Speaker Ryan (R-Invertebrate Land) was back to giving Trump a pass last night after his airy comments against "bigotry" and "hate" in his Afghanistan speech. Private parties are cancelling events at Trump facilities. And then there are all the cities that are rushing to tear down their Confederate monuments to register their disgust, completely backfiring on the white supremacists.

Even more noteworthy is the growing backlash not against Trump but the hate groups (and I use the term advisedly) that he is aiding and abetting. In Boston Sunday, the anti-supremacist protesters dwarfed the supremacist rally for "free speech." PayPal has invoked a clause in its contract that reserves the right to deny access to anyone who promotes "hate, violence, and racial intolerance" to cut off outfits like Richard Spencer's National Policy Institute, a white separatist think tank. Meanwhile, the Cheyenne Mountain Resort in Colorado Springs cancelled a conference that VDARE, a nativist outfit, was planning to hold there next April.

To be sure, businesses, especially those such as PayPal that are general service providers, will have to be careful where they draw the line so that mere disagreement doesn't become grounds for exclusion. But precisely because there is a cost to businesses themselves when they shun someone, they have an inherent incentive in not going too overboard in quashing dissenters, unlike ideologically motivated Social Justice Warriors.

The best thing about the Trump presidency might be that he is mobilizing America's latent moral forces beyond the band of professional activists. If excessive presidential moralism extinguished them, Trump's massive moral abdication may reignite them.

A version of this column appeared in The Week

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  1. But with Trump the big danger is a president who would wipe out the moral progress that the country has made over the last two and a half centuries by his failure to condemn racism and bigotry in unequivocal terms

    Despite what you might think, this argument doesn’t magically become sane with repetition.

    1. Maybe she meant to say Obama was doing that.

    2. Where did this quote come from?

      Did Shikha send it to the Memory Hole, along with the US’s fight against Communism? I see two people tearing her a new one for this quote, and yet it’s not in the article.

      The quote is roughly equivalent to the following still in the article:

      But President Trump’s antics since the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville confirm that with him we face the opposite danger: He will destroy the moral progress this country has made over the last 250 years.

      Which is it?
      Are you guys paraphrasing, or did Shikha go full Ministry of Truth and rewrite it once it was seen as a big loser?

      1. did Shikha go full Ministry of Truth and rewrite it once it was seen as a big loser?

        she wouldn’t be the first. Robby deleted references to Milo being a “leader of the alt-right” after the fact, with no editorial note.

  2. But with Trump the big danger is a president who would wipe out the moral progress that the country has made over the last two and a half centuries by his failure to condemn racism and bigotry in unequivocal terms.

    He has explicitly condemned racism and bigotry (and racists and bigots) over and over and over and over again. And yet, Reason INSISTS on joining the rest of the partisan media in claiming the exact opposite.

    Stop. Fucking. Lying.

    1. aiding and abetting.

      This sounds like a pretty blatant accusation of a crime to me. Either she’s got proof or it’s rather openly slanderous.

      1. Coming from a writer explicitly advocates violence against the “fascists”, this is no surprise.

    2. They are not lying. Trump did not use the proper incantation to ward off evil. Now the country is in danger from the bogeyman.

      1. How fucking hard is it to condemn Nazis the first time around?

        1. How fucking hard is it to notice that both sides equally suck?

          Unless one TRULY believes one side is moral and the other is not.

          But who could be THAT stupid?

          1. The neo-nazis abided by the NAP at Charlottesville, the so called “anti-fascists” did not. Given political power, no doubt both would violate the NAP.

        2. When the Crips and Bloods brawl, do we just condemn the Crips?

        3. Tony, Trump can never say enough to shake the left’s absolute convictions that he is a racist. So why spend the mental or verbal energy to satisfy losers who voted for Hillary.

      2. lol, Good Mickey.

        Trump waited until he got better information instead of giving a knee-jerk condemnation the first time around. Social Justice Warriors started saying that everyone from Zionists to Capitalists is a Nazi at least a decade ago. It’s at the point were I would not agree to “condemn a Nazi” as soon as an SJW asks me too, because I can’t trust that his description is accurate.

  3. There are bad takes, there are horrendously bad Buzzfeed-style takes, and then there is Shitka. You are in a class of your own

    1. Yeah, this was one of her more ridiculous efforts. And that’s saying a lot.

      When I read specious nonsense like this I can’t help but think the reason Reason continues to allow Shikha to post is because she has some serious dirt on the Reason staff, like e-mails which show Suderman helped write the Affordable Care Act or pics of fellow Garden Staters Gillespie and Chris Christie naked together in a hot tub in Atlantic City.

  4. I don’t come to reason to Read viewpoints I could just as easily see on Salon or Huffpo.

    Please return to sanity.

    1. Not gonna happen. It’s been getting slowly but steadily worse and worse for ten years now, and there’s no good “reason” to believe the trend is going to reverse itself under this regime.

  5. But it is only the “right” type of bigotry based on historical wrongs, not what is happening today. The FBI hate crime statistics under Obama showed that almost 40% of hate crime offenders were black people, which can only mean that the vast majority of hate crimes against Jews and gays are not by evil white supremacists, who are a boogeyman to the left as much as sharia law is to the right.

    People keep saying Trump needs a Reichstag fire. I think that Charlottesville was the left’s Reichstag fire. The strawman they have been desperately clinging to finally became real, and their overreaction has now surpassed the overreaction from the right about the threat of Muslim terrorists.

    1. The strawman they have been desperately clinging to finally became real

      Yes.

      their overreaction has now surpassed the overreaction from the right about the threat of Muslim terrorists.

      That may be a stretch – many are going to applaud the Middle-Eastern wars, and more stringent immigration control, etc, because of the fear of terrorism.

    2. All it took was a few hundred Nazis and one death and they are trying to eliminate free speech for everybody. They are protesting Free Speech demonstrations that don’t even have any Nazis.

      Here’s an excellent piece from Spiked about the 22,000 actual Nazis that held a rally at MSG while Hitler was rallying the real Nazis to war. We let them do it, and we turned out just fine.

      http://www.spiked-online.com/n…..Zw64CiGNpg

      1. Now that antifa is turning more explicitly and openly violent, maybe it’s time we had had it out with the progressives.

        1. Ding ding ding!

    3. “their overreaction has now surpassed the overreaction from the right about the threat of Muslim terrorists.”

      Proportionally speaking this is correct. There are far fewer neo-Nazis in this country (or even in the world) than there are Islamic-inspired terrorists. The people who told us just six months ago “Islamic terrorism is overstated and is not a serious concern” look like complete hypocrites now that they’re screaming “Nazis- everywhere- under your bed!”.

      1. And they pull out the stupid fucking studies from left-wing hack organizations claiming white supremacist terrorists are more dangerous than Islamic terrorists, but these reports don’t include things like Fort Hood or Orlando as Islamic terror yet claim a white supremacist murdering a pedo-priest in a prison fight is a right-wing act of terror. Not to mention the fact that there are over 100 million white Christians in this country and fewer than 2 million Muslims. If you’re arguing that they commit the same amount of terrorism, you’re implying that they are 100X more likely to do it.

        I think all fears of terrorism are overblown and nobody should live in fear of anything. The government shouldn’t be taking our rights away to prevent rare instances of terror from white supremacists or Muslims. However, it if infuriating watching the press fully jump into the hysteria even worse than they do for Islamic terror.

        1. Hey, one of those hack groups happens to be CATO that did a hilarious study that began on September 12, 2001, labeled all attacks committed by a white person as ‘white supremacist inspired’ and labeled the Fort Hood incident as ‘work place violence’.

          1. Yeah WTF is up with Cato. They’ve… changed.

            1. I still like CATO on most issues and support them, but some of their “studies” have been pretty fucking stupid lately. I’ll never agree with everything from anybody, though. Reason comes the closest.

              1. Fuck CATO. Fuckin’ Brink Lindsey totally disrespects Ron Paul, who has done more for liberty in the past quarter century than the rest of the world put together.

    4. Well said, colorblindkid.

    5. The whole “slavery” thing is overdone, as is the justification for a “war on slavery”.

      It’s not that slavery is good – it’s that everywhere in the world it died out on its own as soon as mechanization made that possible. Except in America – where America’s Josef Stalin started a war that resulted in 2% of the population (750,000 people) being killed. Read Lincoln’s own words – the war was not about slavery. We haven’t had slavery in 150 years. No one alive today remembers a time in America when there was slavery. And yet the KKK and Nazis are a threat? Seriously?

      The real threat to the Left is logic. Socialism cannot stand up to logic unless the populace is inflamed or otherwise emotionally-driven. Thinking people will outright reject the Antifa/libtard agenda, while laughing at the non-existent appeal of the KKK and “Nazis”.

  6. Holy fucken shit. This idiotic connection of his comments to his morality is beyond the pale. If I want this kind of shit I’ll go to left-wing sites. I expect and DEMAND more from Reason than the usual bull shit. I read his fricken speech. The only people I question are the ones who purposely distorted it; they’re the ones with a broken moral and intellectual compass with their bull shit faux-outrage – over 200 fricken people. Give me a break.Have a sense of perspective.

    Have you forgotten the name of your magazine? REASON.

    Does this strike you as reason KMW? Welch? If you do, hand in your badges. Now.

    If Reason keeps publishing this rubbish, no more money from me.

    Pity because I do enjoy getting their fancy cocktail invitations.

    1. I stopped giving to Reason a while back — that money is now going to IJ instead.

    2. There needs to be a live internet round table discussion where we can directly discuss with Nick and Katherine the wisdom of publishing content from Dalmia, Richman, and Chapman. It won’t ever happen, because I can’t imagine either of them wanting to directly defend those turds.

      1. Nick is about as bad as Dalmia, tbh.

        1. Before Jacket’s Lewis obit I wouldn’t have agreed, but it was so…fucking…awful.

    3. Shikha’s stuff is always this bad, though. It’s nothing new. Maybe publishing her is a form of journalistic virtue-signalling.

    4. Ragin’ Canadian. Whatchu gonna do win the Canuck comes down on you, eh?

    5. Just avoid the pieces by Shikha and your “Reason” experience will improve dramatically.

  7. Reason Editor’s Abdication in Reason Magazine Has Mobilized Individual Commenters Against Senior Analyst: New at Reason

    1. It’s not just Shikha. Reason has lost half their commentariat for a good half their articles.

      And it’s not an influx of new people. Reason was the only political magazine I ever subscribed to, and that was over a decade ago.

      Ed and Ron are the only writers here that I can think of who are actual journalists and actual libertarians.

      Otherwise, it’s all Progressitarian propagandists as far as the eye can see. And nutjob Richman.

      1. I knew Richman personally when I lived in the DC area. Wasn’t a prog-tard then at all. Solid on all the issues AFAIK. Wonder what happened. Could it be his association with Mercatus and the evil Koch brothers? Can’t imagine how that would work. Most likely the people at C4SS. “Thick” libertarianism, my ass, it’s just cultural Marxism.

        1. I knew Richman personally when I lived in the DC area

          This was about 30 years ago.

  8. the retarded caricatures Shikha always chooses for her anti-Trump articles certainly lend gravitas to her moral superiority

    1. The anti-Trump caricatures don’t bother me (some of them are even kind of funny), but the one she put up of Bobby Jindal riding an elephant back during the primary season was truly loathsome. Dipshit considers Jindal to be a “race traitor” because he doesn’t hate whitey and he thinks of himself as just a mainstream American with no hyphens or other bullshit attached.

      Dipshit is the biggest racist around these parts.

  9. As much as it pains me to agree with the Simple Mikeys of the commentariat: Jesus Christ, Shikha, at least pretend to have a modicum of perspective.

    1. I fucking hate having to carry water for this orange buffoon. I fucking despise Trump, and everything he and his ‘movement’ stand for.

      But goddamn, can we get one fucking day where every ounce of reporting isn’t blatantly dishonest culture war horseshit?

      1. ^^ This

      2. No joke. I voted for Trump because he was not Hillary. Literally the ONLY reason. I hardly love the guy.

        But, fuck — the media, including Reason, has lost their fucking minds. How can ANYBODY trust Reason when we see NUMEROUS writers — and, by default, editors — CONSISTENTLY state that Trump “supports” the Nazis based on nothing more than “We wanted him to use this verbiage to condemn them and not mention the OTHER highly violent group there as well”. We are watching you LIE about things EASILY verified.

        But take the media’s word on anything remotely challenging? Why the fuck would I? Murray Gell-Man Amnesia is not something I’m suffering from.

        1. I have no problem defending Trump. He was far from my first choice, but his agenda has been pretty grounded, even if I don’t agree with all of it. After eight years of a communist America hater in office who shredded the constitution at every turn, we now have someone who at least is focused on making the US a better place to live.

          1. Trump hasn’t done a ton and he is often his own worst enemy. He’s made some great choices in the judiciary, but his AG is awfully terrible.

      3. But goddamn, can we get one fucking day where every ounce of reporting isn’t blatantly dishonest culture war horseshit?

        I mean yeah he sort of said racism is bad…but does he even have any black friends?

        1. He sold his daughter to a Jew! What more does he have to do?

        2. He’s buddies with Mike Tyson.

        3. Trump married a slav.

          One thing racists do is marry non-white people.

        4. I don’t have any black friends. Does that make me racist?

          Come to think of it, I don’t have any Russian friends. Or friends from Latvia. Or Greece. Or Australia. Or Italy.

          Go figure.

      4. No. Propaganda is an indispensable tool of the Left. Without it, NONE of their policies would be enacted.

    2. Jesus Christ, Shikha, at least pretend to have a modicum of perspective.

      It’s almost got to be baiting. I have trouble imagining how she could be a more spot-on caricature/useful idiot from any of the ‘Collapse of Western Society’ fiction (either the Atlas Shrugged/Rand-variety or The Turner Diaries/McDonald-variety) if she tried.

      Can’t wait to see the article from Shikha insisting that the pro-Free Speech demonstrators be explicitly disarmed. If they’re there to peaceably, they don’t need arms, right?

  10. In Boston Sunday, the anti-supremacist protesters dwarfed the supremacist rally for “free speech.”

    Even the MSM has backed off of this claim.

    She is completely and totally unhinged. Maybe she needs to work out some of her anger on bashing a fash.

  11. To be sure, businesses, especially those such as PayPal that are general service providers, will have to be careful where they draw the line so that mere disagreement doesn’t become grounds for exclusion.

    Uh huh. Keep cheering on the bloating PCification of America and see how long until they turn on you, too.

    1. Rhywun, wouldn’t it be nice if they permitted OTHER companies to refuse service based on objections to what is being requested instead of demanding the government force them to provide services?

      Reason: We oppose Public Accomodation Law…sometimes.

  12. And yet Trump dumped cold water on them when he blithely elevated neo-Nazis to the same status as those protesting them, not once, but twice.

    There is zero difference between antifa and neo-Nazis…except antifa tends to be more violent and is deeply embraced by the Democrat party.

    To pretend that antifa are the “good guys” here indicates the writer is, to be generous, a God damned idiot. Of course, Dalmia is sympathetic to antifa. She defended their actions in the Berkeley riot because Milo MIGHT say something they find objectionable.

    Even more noteworthy is the growing backlash not against Trump but the hate groups (and I use the term advisedly) that he is aiding and abetting. In Boston Sunday, the anti-supremacist protesters dwarfed the supremacist rally for “free speech.”

    Also, they were quite violent. But that is immaterial because Dalmia is, again, pro-antifa.

    PayPal has invoked a clause in its contract that reserves the right to deny access to anyone who promotes “hate, violence, and racial intolerance” to cut off outfits like Richard Spencer’s National Policy Institute, a white separatist think tank. Meanwhile, the Cheyenne Mountain Resort in Colorado Springs cancelled a conference that VDARE, a nativist outfit, was planning to hold there next April.

    As well they should be permitted to do so. Shame you are so inconsistent with this stance. But, the entire site tends to be really inconsistent with it.

    1. Good grief, Trump didn’t elevate Nazis, he lowered antifa (to where they belong).

  13. So strong, so brave. Parroting the consensus talking point that there a Nazis everywhere and ignoring the baked in ideological violence on the left, just like everyone else…

  14. Mind you, if she is capable of reading comments (her intellect seems vastly overstated), Dalmia is thinking that we’re all just Nazi sympathizers for noting that the obsession over a group whose number of members closely correlates with the combined IQ of the group is asinine.

    Now, if you mention that, using her logic, anybody not condemning Islamic terrorism (which Reason is wont to do) must, by definition, be a supporter of it will likely not make them happy.

    1. the obsession over a group whose number of members closely correlates with the combined IQ of the group is asinine.

      How dare you. They have a very good reason for having low IQs. For instance, their cultural traditions make it very difficult for them to understand logic and their definitions of words are completely different from our own. (Of course, I’m talking about liberals)

  15. Reason, you had a golden opportunity to get this one right, and you blew it. This was a false-flag attack by the left.

    First, the head of the supposed Nazis in Charlottesville, Jason Kessler, only “became one” 10 months ago, and was a leader of both OFA and the Occupy movement.

    Second, Kessler’s group did not advertise its event as Nazi or anti-black, but as a “Unite the Right” rally, to draw in as many ordinary conservatives and Tea Party types as he could (because he knew perfectly well that those groups are not racist). Once there, the police corralled them into a small area so that he could embarrass them by hoisting Nazi and Confederate flags over their heads.

    Third, the police went far beyond looking the other way: they deliberately herded those people into Antifa to be assaulted.

    If some cops’ heads don’t literally roll over this, then the opening shots of Civil War II have already been fired. Attorney General sessions, are you paying attention? We need you here to do your job, right now!

  16. America sacrificed over 750,000 soldiers (not counting the Confederate casualties), more than all its other conflicts combined, in the service of these two causes.

    I can’t fathom where she got this number other than just being plain old factually wrong. Unhinged and factually wrong.

    1. Probably from the same place all stupid leftist assholes get most of their information now: on Twitter.

    2. (not counting the Confederate casualties)

      I believe the actual estimate is 6-800k, including both sides. She couldn’t even get this basic, easily verifiable thing right. Sad.

      1. Not only got it wrong but dead Confederates, despite being full-blooded Americans as any we crammed into internment camps, shipped back over the border, or kept out in the first place; don’t count because Shikha is both racist *and* unable to do even basic fact-checking.

    3. I saw this posted on facebook. The source there was a Washington Post article. Not sure how to post the link here.
      I skimmed the article then, but it looked like they included both theaters of WW2 as being lives lost against nazis.

  17. Wait! Is this the same Shikha Dalmia who once wrote that all white people are bigots and that only people of color were capable of preserving America’s constitutional liberties.

    Jumping Jahoozephat! She is! https://reason.com/archives/201…..can-consti

    Kind of an odd choice for someone to be lecturing on bigotry, don’t ya’ think?

    1. The only time she gets serious about criticizing non-whites is when they are Pakistani.

  18. “never mind that Jefferson and Washington despised slavery whereas Lee, the confederate general, fought to preserve this cruel institution nearly a century later.”

    Yes, never mind that despite allegedly despising slavery, neither Washington nor Jefferson had any trouble owning them. Never mind that Jefferson had no problem copulating with a human being he owned. Never mind that the owned human being he copulated with was herself the product of his ancester’s copulating with a human being that the ancestor owned. And never mind that both supported a Constitution that, as originally written, was designed to preserve the institution of slavery in the states where it existed. Or that Jefferson’s presidential victory in 1800 was made possible by the fact that the human property in southern states counted as 1/3 of a person for purposes of apportioning electoral votes, giving the southern states a disproportionate advantage.

    And never mind that Lee, after his defeat, never followed the lead of men like Nathan Bedford Forrest and joined the KKK or any other paramilitary group seeking to restore white supremacy during Reconstruction. Lee was the most respected of leaders among southerners, and had he chosen to lead resistence, the Reconstruction Era would have been far more awful than it actually was.

    History is far messier, and far more subtle and nuanced, than mindless authors of screeds can comprehend.

    1. Not to mention Lee was very explicit about his reason for fighting being to defend his homeland.

    2. Actually the Founding Father put the slavery question to the test in 1808. That was when the Constitution authorized congress to regulate slavery. Many hoped that would be when slavery would end. Of course, without the compromise on slavery the USA might not have existed at all and most of the people in North America would be Spanish, French or British citizens. Maybe Russian citizens too.

      1. And, given that cotton was available in increasingly more locations, slavery would’ve ended within 10 years, even if the CSA had won the war.

        But slapping those morons down to Earth was a necessity.

      2. 1808 was the first year that the importation of slaves could be outlawed. But it made no provision for outlawing slavery outright.

        1. That is right, 1808 was just the first date in which slavery could be regulated after the USA was formed. The USA could have changed the constitution and addressed it sooner but the Southern states would doubtfully ratify that change.

          I personally think that some of the Founders hoped that the South would switch economies like the North had and voluntarily given up slavery.

    3. At least Washington freed his slaves in his will. Jefferson was too broke to.

  19. But President Trump’s antics since the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville confirm that with him we face the opposite danger: He will destroy the moral progress this country has made over the last 250 years.

    It was not a “neo-nazi” rally or a “white supremacist” rally, but a few of such people were present. Violence was initiated by antifa, escalating until some asshole drove a car through a crowd and killed someone. On that matter, and despite the events of Charlottesville, “white supremacy” is not really a thing anymore. You can thank your friends at BLM and the ever ironically named ‘Antifa’ for bringing the few remaining white-supremacists out of the woodwork. You need to get a grip on reality and stop assisting the main stream media in fomenting racial hatred. BLM and Antifa are terrorist organizations, by definition. So you should be more concerned about them because this is the only nazi you are going to find under your bed.

  20. Trump’s a douche, but let’s not go full SPLC here.

  21. The president isn’t going to undo two and a half centuries of moral progress, no matter what he says or does.

  22. This was an episode (not being able to unambiguously condemn fucking Nazis) that shocked and embarrassed the entire goddamn planet except Trump’s die-hard internet buttboys, Nazis themselves, and the Reason commentariat. What company you guys keep.

    1. This was an episode (not being able to unambiguously condemn fucking Nazis) that shocked and embarrassed the entire goddamn planet except Trump’s die-hard internet buttboys, Nazis themselves, and the Reason commentariat. What company you guys keep.

      Your fervent desire to prevent any criticism of antifa is duly noted.

      1. So called “anti-fascists” (VIOLENT racists against white people) < "alt-right" (including a lot of libertarians, almost all PEACEFUL)Always check for who initiates the violence.NAP rules all.

        1. Yes, the NAP rule is the first and foremost rule for judging a person’s morality.

      2. So called “anti-fascists” (VIOLENT racists against white people) < "alt-right" (including a lot of libertarians, almost all PEACEFUL)Always check for who initiates the violence.NAP rules all.

    2. Tony, you are so close to Nazism that you should just go drink some Drano and end things. You are a blight on the world as it stands, so no reason to hesitate.

    3. Yeh, I’m sure it shocked the entire goddamn planet. But even if it did, yes, it’s because Trump didn’t jump on the narcissistic narrative pimped by nitwits by acting as shrill as them. Not because the town of Charlottesville – by design or otherwise or through simple incompetence – mess this up and could have taken measures to prevent it, the agitators in Antifa who clearly went their to provoke. No, you don’t get to say ‘but a girl died’ because those are the risks when your side ADMITS violence is necessary and that ‘it’s okay to punch a Nazi’. All because they didn’t like a group’s message and their protestations and their right to assemble.

      How in the world anyone with half a brain and functioning moral and intellectual compass can’t see there’s plenty of blame to go around is beyond me.

      Heck, I lean much more in the camp that concludes C’ville Mayor and Antifa share most of the blame despite the perp who killed that poor girl. May she rest in peace.

    4. Tony, lefties are Nazis. Do you really not see that?

      Nazis are socialists who use race to further their goals to try and control the means of production.

      Lefties keep black people down and only want to use non-white people to get votes. Once they had enough political positions in the past because of those votes, they implemented very racist policies like the war on drugs which affected mostly black people.

    5. Tony,

      You say “buttboys” as if it’s an insult. Please attend three Gay Pride parades as penitence.

  23. Like a good MSM propagandist, Shikha doesn’t use Trump’s actual words to argue that he is a Racity Racist Neo Nazi. The only quote in the article is “our beautiful statutes and monuments.”

    And yet Trump dumped cold water on them when he blithely elevated neo-Nazis to the same status as those protesting them

    You mean the Marxist terrorists that have been attacking political rallies in the US for the last couple of years?

    Yeah, Marxists are just as bad as Nazis ideologically, and practically they are much worse in America today, as Nazis have no power, while Marxists have plenty of power throughout the institutional Left.

    1. Which is why we need to get Sessions straightened out and send him after the Marxists.

  24. The two fixed lodestars in America’s moral map were set by its great struggles against slavery and Nazism.

    Shikha joins the US Marxists in sending the half century struggle to defeat Communism into the Memory Hole.

    The US fought Communism 10 times as long as it fought either Slavery or Nazism, but it Never Happened. We actually fought the Japanese longer than we fought Nazism, but that Never Happened too.

    This article is embarrassing propaganda even by the abysmally low standard of Shikha’s normal rants.

    Reason now shills for Communism.

    Sad.

  25. Those who believe that Trump elevated Nazis were already a liberal or hated Trump to begin with. Most Americans are a bit more reasonable. Trump’s initial “both sides” comment (admittedly) felt a bit muddled so his response got low marks. But many Americans would agree that antifa IS violent, and disavow with violence against hate groups exercising their right to free speech.

    People can see things. They see that cops stood down and made up stories about hidden guns. They saw no outrage from the media when a Jihadist and BLM fanatic killed 13 civilians and 2 cops, not a week after Charlottesville. They can see the left obsessed with the notion of racism to the exclusion of ALL ELSE – hoping for a society where people who perform Nazi salutes can be arrested and purged from the internet – while mumbling for nuance and understanding on evil arguably more dangerous and urgent.

    One of the founders of the women’s march absolved Saudi Arabia of its crimes because “they give women paid maternity leave”. The left doesn’t hate white supremacists because they object to racial purity or ethnocentrism. If they did, why would ask for “black only spaces” or lose their shit when black men date white girls? No, the hate groups are merely members of the other side whom they always despised. A school choice advocate is a “segregationist” and no different than a neo nazi.

    A lot of BS elected Donald Trump. I’d be surprised if he wins again, but his anti-pc brand is probably here long term.

  26. “never mind that Jefferson and Washington despised slavery whereas Lee, the confederate general, fought to preserve this cruel institution nearly a century later.”

    I usually like Ms. Dalmia but this is retarded. Jefferson and Washington owned slaves. It’s pretty hard to make an argument that they hated it. The point isn’t to condemn them but to realize that it was a different time and it makes no sense to apply current morality to people from that era. If we start that, we might as well raze every statue and monument in the country, including most of the universities and cathedral’s that share history with some people whose beliefs would make us shudder today.
    Lee fought as a general in a separate country from the US that claimed to have been invaded by the US. You can argue the legitimacy of those claims but again, are you ready to start tearing every edifice in this country down to satisfy a tiny band of anarchists who we all know will only double down and make even more ludicrous demands once they’re wishes today are granted?
    I have no emotional attachment to these monuments but I also have no desire to marginalize a significant segment of the country and delegitimize their heritage for the sake of my SJW bonafides. And I’m starting to lose respect for a lot of people who, for political and promotional reasons, are perfectly happy to do just that.

  27. “the Neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville…”

    What Neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville? Reason and the Left wing media are overplaying the Nazi card. The number of actual Nazis in the US is tiny and has halved in the last 10 years. There are probably 1000-2000 actual Nazis in the US, a country of 320 MM people. In a country this size, there are 1000 of every freak group imaginable. Nazis are irrelevant and becoming more so (at least until Charlottesville). Nazis are obviously evil, but by defining Nazism as some special category of evil worthy of our obsession, people of goodwill end up overlooking a lot of other evil.

    Though Nazism and white supremacy are falling in the US, ethno-nationalism may still be increasing–amongst African Americans. Black separatist groups, inspired by Louis Farrakhan, have been steadily growing in the US. According to the SPLC, there are nearly 2x the number of Black nationalist groups as Nazis in the US.

    And of course, there are other evil groups that were protesting in Charlottesville, such as the Workers World Party, an openly Communist party that supports the Maduro government. Why did the Communists and Far Left in Charlottesville and Boston get a pass from Reason and the Left?

    Lots of virtue-signaling articles here at Reason. Surprising. The comments are at least libertarian.

  28. >And yet Trump dumped cold water on them when he blithely elevated neo-Nazis to the same status as those protesting them, not once, but twice.

    That’s because “those protesting them” INITIATED VIOLENCE like they do at EVERY OTHER ATTEMPT that someone to the right of Stalin makes to speak their minds [you moral half-wit]. The so called “anti-fascists” were NOT protesting “racism”, they openly support racism (against whites) when it suits their goals.

    >In Boston Sunday, the anti-supremacist protesters dwarfed the supremacist rally for “free speech.”

    The Boston rally had NO, read that again, ZERO supremacist components!!! Any nationalist/separatist/neo-nazis were specifically DISINVITED!! NONE of the speakers were proponents of anything except FREE SPEECH. And yet, the so called “anti-fascists” managed, through threat of and actual violence from the so called “anti-fascists” and the police via “crowd control”, keep most of the audience that wanted to attend away.

    Shikha Dalmia, where do you get your information from? CNN? MSNBC? Any network? You cannot believe ANYTHING these deep state Marxist scum tell you. (Review the open testimony of DCI William Colby at the Church Committee hearings.) Are you lying intentionally or are you just incompetent?

  29. >Even more noteworthy is the growing backlash not against Trump but the hate groups (and I use the term advisedly) that he is aiding and abetting.

    What a mendacious lie. “Hate groups” my ass. Anything to the right of Stalin is raaaaaaayyyyysisss!!!!

  30. Video of the Free Speech rally in Boston shows a speech by an Indian-American who wants to run for Senate on the Republican ticket.

    I’ve heard Social Justice Warriors say enough racist things and make enough false accusations of racism to not pick a side in this fight.

  31. a bit of fre dvice before you go off-popping again on something of which you know not:
    READ the whole set of comments someone has made before you try and show how wrong they were. Yes, I mean READ all of Trump’s statements on Charlottesville. He did not elevate the neonazis one bit… he clealry dumped them into the same cesspool into which he consigned the other two groups…….. condemned them ALL, Yes, he did. READ his statement again.

  32. Liberals need to know how their racist policy has for decades prevented blacks from gaining economically on whites:

    “Why affirmative action failed black families where it matters most” http://malemattersusa.wordpres…..-families/

    This is not what you think it is. It may be too shocking for some.

  33. Reason is racist against gingers.

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