GoDaddy Dumps Neo-Nazi Website. Hooray for Freedom of Association! (UPDATE: Google Also Declines to Host)
Here's a good reason to let private web companies, not government, decide who gets hosted.


In the wake of the violent confrontations in Charlottesville, Virginia, that culminated in the slaying of Heather Heyer, the massive web host company GoDaddy is telling neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer to go pound sand.
In a tweet over the weekend, subsequently confirmed as accurate, GoDaddy told the site to go find a new host for their white nationalist content. A Daily Stormer post about Heyer's death insulted her and said people are "glad she is dead"; the host company ruled that this violated its terms. A spokesman told The Washington Post that the article, coming right on the heels of the protests, could "incite additional violence."
GoDaddy has been under pressure to stop hosting sites that spout "hate speech," but it had resisted the idea, citing the First Amendment as a reason to keep hosting racist content. But since GoDaddy is a private company, it doesn't have to use the First Amendment as a guidepost. The First Amendment restricts government censorship, not media or Internet hosting site censorship. Invoking the First Amendment here is a way for the company to establish that it's going to attempt to take all comers and to serve as many people as it can, as long as they're willing to pay.
But if GoDaddy does not want to play host to these hateful messages, it's absolutely the company's right to say no. That's what freedom of association is all about. GoDaddy should not have to play host to content it finds offensive or abhorrent.
That's one good reason to keep web hosting in the hands of private companies and not turn the internet into a government-managed utility. If, for example, GoDaddy had to operate as though it were a government agency, it might be required to prove that Daily Stormer's piece insulting Heyer meets a legal threshold for incitement. As a private company, GoDaddy can decide for itself what counts as instigation.
And if freedom of association is a right for GoDaddy, then it's a right for everybody. GoDaddy shouldn't have to host Nazis. T-shirt companies shouldn't be required by the government to print gay pride messages if they don't approve. Office Depot shouldn't be required to make photocopies of anti-abortion fliers.
It's not a perfect solution. In fact, it's a very messy solution, one where people often use social pressure and public outrage as a way to try to influence company behavior. GoDaddy's decision came after people tweeted at them to ask whether they would do anything about the Daily Stormer's postings. At other times people have tried to get other people fired for expressing opinions they don't like, as we saw with Google.
It's nevertheless preferable to solutions that involve the government, because once the government is involved, resolving the conflict becomes a matter of using force, not influence and social pressure. Police in the United Kingdom and Germany have responded to hate speech by raiding people's homes and arresting them. That's not a better solution. Not only does this create the extremely obvious problem that a person's speech limits will be determined by whoever is in control of the government (spoiler: It's not you), but it also increases the likelihood that somebody will be injured or killed by police during these interactions.
So regardless of whether any particular person agrees that GoDaddy made the right choice to dump these guys, we should support their right to do so. And we should perhaps keep that in mind when other businesses don't want to play a role in producing or carrying messages with which they do not agree.
UPDATE: Daily Stormer attempted to move its hosting to Google, but now Google is also rejecting them on the grounds of the site violating their terms of service.
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Well sure GoDaddy made the right choice, but what if they had made the wrong choice? See, this is why we need government involved in our choosing - people should only have the right to make the right choices. Just like freedom of speech does not give you the right to say wrong things.
Sincerely hope this is satire
it's not over at vox
Wasn't this whole thing just the black shirts against the brown shirts or better yet, the fascists against the communists in pre-war Europe?
On e thing is for sure, there were no liberty advocating, non-aggression, free market capitalists there because those three things are synonymous with peace and economic prosperity.
This is all so similar to pre-WWII europe. The violence that is going down is all being done by fascists and communists - basically all marxists. Meanwhile the capitalist business owners are going to be eaten alive as the common enemy once the heavy handed gov't comes down on these psychos.
No, many companies will position themselves as aligned with the vision and offer to make good use of our idle hands, simultaneously providing re-education and soul nurturing toil.
There is only one way to stop the coming Robopocalypse and AI domination, bring back slavery.
What if every web hosting company was Nazi?
That's why we need the government.
The gov't are Nazis though.
You know what we need? Superman.
Indiana Jones.
Superman was an illegal alien.
Brondo!
No, they made the wrong choice from a business perspective. GoDaddy used to be a daring company, the webmaster for everyone, now they're a PC company, a commie company like Google, Twitter, and the rest.
This move won't win them new customers, everyone already has a hosting company, and will make old customers wonder if they're next.
That's all good, but I wouldn't be surprised if activists start demanding that Go Daddy stop supporting National Review's website or Taki Mag or whatever.
Also, "horray for freedom of association"*
*does not apply to bakers, florist, photographers, or anyone with wrong thought
I imagine the link limits prevented you from linking to all the articles where Shackford argued against free association for anti-gay-marriage business owners?
Look, Hugh. Schacklefraud put right in his article this bit:
T-shirt companies shouldn't be required by the government to print gay pride messages if they don't approve
He even provided a link! It's amazing how blind you are to his condemnation of wrongthink!
Should have quit before opening up the whole freedom of association thing again. This article does complicate the whole Nazi cake issue, though
You aren't allowed to speak of nazi cakes.
You aren't allowed to speak of nazi cakes.
You aren't allowed to speak of nazi cakes.
You aren't allowed to speak of nazi cakes.
The squirrels are watching you... always.
If it's worth saying once,it's worth saying it twice.
If it's worth saying once,it's worth saying it twice.
Do you think that if you put a slice of delicious nazi cake in front of an antifa activist with a sweet tooth, that he/she would eat it?
Was it made by a gay bakery?
It was made by a gay nazi in a leather uniform.
So, a Nazi.
Tom of Finland wasn't a Nazi, he just knew them to be fashionable.
Now is the time for pro-Nazi IT companies to step up to the plate and save free speech from these pro-communist IT companies.
Well there probably are no pro-Nazi IT companies.
Can't say that for the IT with sympathies to marxist tendencies. Many of the dopes on the left largely have no idea that they are communists. But they will be in line to do some stealing and murdering once their government lords convince them that profiteers are worthy of death. It worked very well in Europe pre-WWII and after.
Remember that fascists are leftists too.
Leftism is an ideal largely crafted by Marxist thought that class struggle and exploitation by the capitalist is the reason for all of their woes. Throw in some sympathy grabbing environmentalism and some union brainwashing and you have fascists.
Fascists turn into socialists after they gain power. Then venezuela, then communism.
If you were someone of consequence, a wealthy business, an aristocrat or ranking military officer, you'd soon learn the difference between fascist and leftist regimes.
Of course - Google!
Guess again.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/.....story.html
I'd settle for pro-free speech.
If a baker has to bake a cake for gays then Godaddy has to host web site for people they hate as well. or are our laws not enforced equally as per the constitution. of course the baker should not have been forced in the first place rules what do they mean anyway. pretty hard to run a bussiness when you don't know what rules to abide by but then i think our overloards like it that way.
Except that the cake issue has nothing to do with what the Constitution, but rather what public accommodation laws require. Public accommodation laws in many states protect sexual orientation, whereas no public accommodation laws to the best of my knowledge protect political affiliation. If there's a constitutional law issue, it's whether public accommodation laws should be invalidated/limited, not whether they should be expanded.
So you can refuse to serve Democrats, and it's fine? I highly doubt it.
If you wanted to force Jew-baked Nazi cakes and Christian web hosted gay porn you should have voted for Johnson/Weld
GoDaddy is telling neo-Nazi site Daily Stormer to go pound sand.
I await equal treatment for sites created and run by Antifa/BAMN/etc. If you have a standard, it should be universally applied.
Why?
I get the sentiment of unequal application by Go Daddy, but why anyone would defend a Nazi site is beyond me. Are you suggesting that you identify with Nazis?
A business should be free to disassociate with anyone they want, whether that is applied equally or not. This 'you have to apply it equally' argument is a Leftist mentality that is used when a Catholic baker doesn't want to bake a gay wedding cake. The retort is always- well then why is he OK with baking a cake for a second wedding? Isn't that against his beliefs too?
You can criticize a company's policy, but its their right to associate or not associate with whoever they like. I just wish that certain 'libertarians' would always apply the concept of freedom of association, rather than being selective in its application (ie Gary Johnson).
Yes, apparently bakers and florists are allowed to discriminate (and encouraged to lie about their reasons so as to avoid legal repercussions), but GoDaddy is not.
Or, OK, is allowed to do it, but should be denounced for exercising that freedom.
MJ, I was agreeing with you. Are you just disturbed at us agreeing on the same topic again?
Did you take my "Yes" as sarcasm for the same reason? It was meant to signify agreement.
You are known for your sarcasm.
Oooh, look at me, I am sooooo sarcastic!
"Are we being ironic?"
"I don't even know anymore."
Exactly. I've seen more than my share of violent rhetoric from those assholes.
Either you dump 'em both or you're just taken the easy way out and not being fair at all.
So we're all about fairness now.
No. I'm about pointing out hypocrisy when other hate-groups that espouse hateful rhetoric and actions do not get similar treatment.
If they banned antifa, but not some communist group would that be good enough? I understand the notion that their principles are being applied unequally, but why care if they ban a group of Nazis? Ideally, antifa would be banned too, but this is better than nothing, no?
It's a great hill to die on. I wish you luck in the vital endeavor of calling out corporate hypocrisy.
They are allowed to do as they please, even if you aren't pleased about it. It is still America.
Did I say they weren't allowed?
And thanks for stating the obvious.
Point is, it's all virtue signalling posturing!
it's all virtue signalling posturing
Rufus, I like you, but who gives a flying fuck?
"Virtue signalling" has become one of those good points that just gets flogged to death. Yeah, there's a lot of stupid virtue signalling out there. Lots of social signalling is obnoxious and excessive. But it is also a fairly essential part of human social and commercial interaction.
With the way it's used, any expression of a value judgment is "virtue signalling." It's ridiculous, and I maintain that the term lost whatever meaning it had within weeks of it gaining popularity online.
Rufus seems to be interested in signalling to a different group of people, that's all.
Look at me! I'm defending the free speech rights of Nazis from those evil evil SJWs!
Nazis are people too!
Looks like you doing the same.
You're getting worked up over "posturing" against neo-Nazi websites.
I don't know, maybe take a breather at this point. Do you think y would have responded this way 2-3 years ago?
Yes, I'm getting 'worked up' and don't be presumptuous.
My argument stands.
GoDaddy should just GoDaddy and do their fucking jobs.
Just cut through the bull shit.
Life isn't fair. Only Leftists believe that it can be
The standard is only applied to the minority. When the herd swings the other way on the pendulum, then we will see equally hypocritical side-taking with some other BS in the future.
Would be nice to see an organization out there that had the balls to condemn the leftist whacko destructionists too.
What's more dangerous? Communist hordes thinking they are saving the planet and defeating for profit business or a few redneck racists?
Don't just be anecdotal about it. I mean really look into history and see who is more dangerous. Who kills more people over time?
All collectivists are bad. There is no hierarchy of slavers
Agreed on the first. but there damn sure is a hierarchy of slavers. I call them politicians.
Without question the former.
There's a messianic zeal angle to them. Just look at Liveleaks and Campus reform to see the actual damage they've caused and continue to cause. We have all kinds of evidence of them acting out violently both in rhetoric and action.
That they move to shut down ANYONE that disagrees with them IS the very definition of fascism. They are who they hate.
Conversely, if you can find me the endless stream of facts and articles that these racist dopes have caused (including on fricken university campuses) I'd like to see those cites.
So, in this way, yes I do think it's fair to criticize GoDaddy and companies like them when they dubiously enter the political realm under the guise of 'virtue' or 'values.'
That they move to shut down ANYONE that disagrees with them IS the very definition of fascism.
They are who they hate.
I think that that was rather nicely done, Rufus.
"No Nazis allowed" is a standard.
Fine.
Then GoDaddy better be ready to apply this EQUALLY across the board.
Or else, like Facebook, Youtube, Twitter and other companies jumping on this faux-outrage bull shit, they can go fuck themselves, Scott.
No, they don't. They can do as they please.
And they justifiably will face criticism for it.
It's ill-advised for companies to enter the political realm.When they do, they're fair game, pal because their decision is not hinged on business considerations but those predicted on a moral or value system.
Or else they're full of shit.
Like Youtube who think by being coy about how they demonetize wrong think by winking and nudging.
WE ARE BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY BUT YOU KNOW WRONG THINK!
I guarantee another thing. Once companies go down this path, the leftist borders of psychopaths will smell blood.
GodDaddy is a victim now and good luck getting away from those fangs.
Interesting John-o.
I remember years and years ago they did something awful, disreputable, etc. I can't remember what exactly but it was enough to make me happy to see them go down some day.
Unfortunately, this is not the day. This will be a profitable move for them.
Yeah, no one is going to drop goDaddy because they were mean to some Nazis.
What they did was run a shell company called 'standard tactics' that would monitor high traffic domain names. If your domain name got pinged a lot and you happened to miss the renewal on it, they would transfer it into a shill account, claim some other company had bought it, and then park ads on it and collect sweet sweet ad money. I know this because I worked for them.
Hm. Neither that nor any of the long list of controversies on their Wikipedia page rings a bell.
Ha! I missed that.
As for the rest of you, are you this daft or are you not getting my overall point?
WE ALL FUCKEN KNOW it's their decision to make so please move from that.
It is their decision to make. It may turn out badly for them, time will tell.
"No, they don't. They can do as they please."
^^This. Wish there was a 'like' button.
You're perfectly free to not use GoDaddy if you don't approve of their standards.
You're even free to organize a boycott of GoDaddy.
You know who else decided for everyone what speech was appropriate?
My 3rd grade English teacher. Man she was tough.
My 11th grade Spanish teacher
Teachers of etiquette?
Speech pathologist?
That cuck Popehat?
Lawyers deciding who they sue for defamation?
Moses?
So we now have to boycott GoDaddy and all of it's advertisers?
Do any dems have sites hosted by GoDaddy? If so, are they being kicked out for hating on Trump?
"This bickering is pointless"
No. No. No. Correct.
If one peruses the adult classifieds, now labeled as "women seeking men" at backpage.com, one will see a veritable plethora of advertisers specifying some variation of "No AA" or "No Black Men" or "Sorry, I do not see African American Men" or "No thugs, that means you, black man."
I trust that Scott would rejoice at the associational preference expressed by such working gals.
Would he devote a feature length article to the same? Would he champion the first amendment rights of such sex providers and animadvert all those who complained that the girls might be hurting the feelings of black men?
It's funny that some people have crawled so far up their own virtue signaling assholes that they can't see the light of day anymore. And I'm not talking about Scott here.
Why is it funny?
Because I find absurdly stupid things funny I guess.
What is it that I wrote that you find so absurdly stupid?
This part:
I trust that Scott would rejoice at the associational preference expressed by such working gals.
Would he devote a feature length article to the same? Would he champion the first amendment rights of such sex providers and animadvert all those who complained that the girls might be hurting the feelings of black men?
The truth, even when eloquently expressed, can be stupid?
I'm guessing their accountant crunched the numbers and pointed out to the boss that hosting a handful of Nazi sites that look they haven't been updated since the early 90s will be less profitable in the long run than attracting the hordes of lefty sites that pop up like weeds every day.
I would certainly have that conversation as a private business owner though. let's see, lots of people don't like these guys and they don't really bring in any revenue; let's drop them as customers. Of course, if they were a profitable customer, I would do a cost benefit analysis to see what business I might lose if I retained the profitable customer vs. other paying customers.
You know, like our government does a cost benefit analysis when they steal millions of tax payer dollars and give it to their friends.
I would do the exact same thing to black lives matter if I would not be ruined for it. But instead, I would remain afraid of the hammer and sickle.
Goddamnit, Shackford, you will always be #1 on alt-text in my book.
I did find it interesting that many conservative outlets that supported Trump and his war on immigrants are called "Daily" - something or other.
By the way, I stopped following Daily Caller because the site kept pushing the fraudulent statistics from C.I.S. which is a nativist organization that is also virulently anti-immigrant (and not just anti-illegal immigrant).
"You are violating our terms of service" is the new "Rheeeeeeeeeeeee!"
I guess you've never heard of Daily Kos or the Daily Show?
Should it be legal for GoDaddy to refuse to host such site? Yes.
Is it a good precedent for the type of business they are in to be making moral judgements of the content of the websites they host? Probably not.
And for the people who pushed them to do this, there is always "Me today. You tomorrow."
Except we are a in point of history where tech companies are essentially part of the government.
You're basically saying that speech that the left doesn't like isn't allowed to exist at all. Just because it's the oligarchs doing it and not the government doesn't make it right.
It's amazing how much people are willing to give up freedom because one road rage incident.
"essentially part of the government."
You're confusing that and crony capitalism.
Being part of the government means you can sue them for being an agent of the government. Crony capitalists get taxpayer money and that subsidizes market signals that should have bankrupted them.
A Daily Stormer post about Heyer's death insulted her and said people are "glad she is dead"
The only people glad she's dead are the Democrats who want to use her death as a political baseball bat to hit Republicans with.
GoDaddy has been under pressure to stop hosting sites that spout "hate speech," but it had resisted the idea, citing the First Amendment as a reason to keep hosting racist content. But since GoDaddy is a private company, it doesn't have to use the First Amendment as a guidepost. The First Amendment restricts government censorship, not media or Internet hosting site censorship. Invoking the First Amendment here is a way for the company to establish that it's going to attempt to take all comers and to serve as many people as it can, as long as they're willing to pay.
Is it me or is Scott arguing against private companies respecting free speech? Almost as if he thinks they should have taken down this site earlier but were hiding behind the 1st amendment as an excuse.
Good on them...but it does generate an issue:
If they are willing to refuse to host a site they find offensive...by default, anything they host they approve of. It can cause them issues they aren't considering down the line.
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