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White Nationalist Jason Kessler Flees His Press Conference in Charlottesville

Extremists on both the left and the right are valorizing and defending tribes, not individual liberty.

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Ronald Bailey

Charlottesville, Va.- An angry crowd surged in and grabbed Unite the Right rally organizer Jason Kessler, preempting what was to have been a press conference at 2 p.m. today in front of City Hall across from the city's famous free speech wall.

Kessler, white nationalist Richard Spencer and other would-be rally speakers, have said they will schedule a press conference for tomorrow in Washington, DC.

Police escorted Kessler from the scene after he managed to break free, calling for police help. A line of state police had been standing behind Kessler as journalists approached to take close-up photographs of him. Seeing no reaction from the police when the media got near Kessler, some members of the crowd saw that as an opportunity to rush in and grab him.

As many as 50 video crews and several hundred people gathered as the time for the event drew near. Before Kessler arrived several women had created a memorial for the two officers, Lt. H. Jay Cullen and Trooper Berke M.M. Bates, who died yesterday when the helicopter they were flying for rally surveillance crashed.

As Kessler, who was dressed in suit approached the microphones and began speaking, he was loudly booed by the crowd. If he had any supporters at the event they kept a decorous silence.

Drowning out Kessler, the crowd shouted, "Shame, shame, shame," "Accomplice" and "Blood on your hands." The chants apparently referred to the death of Heather Heyer, killed when an alleged alt-right protest participant rammed his car into two cars and as many as twenty people on the downtown mall.

James Fields Jr. of Ohio was charged with second-degree murder in connection with the incident.

Local TV news managed to get audio of some of Kessler's comments before the Sunday fracas. Kessler said police were responsible for failing to prevent the outbreak of violence yesterday. "The hate that you hear around you; that is the anti-white hate that fueled what happened yesterday," is how Kessler characterized the heckling at the press conference.

"I would like to condemn any of the violence that happened yesterday," he is caught saying on the audio. "I disavow anything that led to folks getting hurt. It really is a sad day in our constitutional democracy when we are not able to have civil liberties like the First Amendment. That's what leads to rational discussion and ideas breaking down and people resorting to violence."

Although some downtown streets remain closed, the chaos of the past two days is abating. Unfortunately, Richard Spencer has vowed that his cohorts of white nationalists intend to return to Charlottesville many, many times in the future.

One final thought: I despise the white nationalists who came to my town. My interpretation of what is happening is there is an ongoing clash between two groups of identity politics collectivists—extremists on both the left and the right, valorizing and defending their tribes, not individual liberty. As history all too amply proves, us versus them politics leads almost inevitably to violence.

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  1. As long as some civilian kills him and not the government, I’m cool with it.

    ~Eric

    1. And you’ll cool if someone offs Jeremiah Wright?

      1. Eric, not Get To Da Chippah, was expressing those sentiments in another thread.

        That’s why it says “Eric” at the bottom.

        It’s not your fault, you weren’t in the other thread.

  2. “As history all too amply proves, us versus them politics leads almost inevitably to violence.”

    Ron Bailey has obviously bought, hook, line, and stinker, into the lies of the “us versus them politics” crowd!!!

    Us believers in “them v/s us politics”, instead of “us versus them politics”, must fight him till our dying days!!!

    1. The greatest enemies of the United Judean Front is the Judean Front of United Peoples!!! Also, the eating-your-bread, buttered-side-down crowd, must fight, tooth and claw, against the eating-your-bread, buttered-side-up crowd!!! It has GOT to be this way; it can be NO other way!!!

    2. The leftists are really screwing this up. If you prevent the racists from speaking, all you are demonstrating is that you do not have confidence that you can defeat them and their ideas with debate and reasoned discussion. Their ideas are terrible and should fall on their own merit. Of course, deep down, the leftists are no different and racist in their own way, and on some level they know this, hence this innate urge to shut the other side up.

      1. “If you prevent the racists from speaking, all you are demonstrating ….”

        Quite a conundrum, isn’t it? Coz if you don’t prevent them from speaking, all you’re demonstrating is weakness. I’m on the side of escalation, for once. Whatever rachets up the culture war. The American Empire will either explode or implode. I’m going with implode.

        1. “Coz if you don’t prevent them from speaking, all you’re demonstrating is weakness”

          What kind of fucking idiot thinks allowing your political opponents to speak, because you know you can win a debate with them, means “weakness”?

          1. “What kind of fucking idiot thinks allowing your political opponents to speak, because you know you can win a debate with them, means “weakness”?”

            The kind that takes fighting the culture war seriously.

            1. Obviously not, or else you’d debate them and win.

              Instead you martyr them.

              1. “Obviously not, or else you’d debate them and win.”

                These culture warriors are not pacifists. As for the debate, it’s over and the Nazis lost. The statues of Lee are to be removed from public parks.

                1. ” As for the debate, it’s over ”

                  Yesterday would seem to prove you wrong.

                  1. I would debate you, but it’s over.

                2. “These culture warriors are not pacifists. “. Was the word warrior in their name the tipoff?

            2. mtrueman|8.13.17 @ 9:01PM|#
              “The kind that takes fighting the culture war seriously.”

              I’m sure trueman takes fighting the cu (hahahhaha… sorry) fighting the cultur(HAHAHAhahahah!).
              Sorry, the concept of the confused twit trueman fighting a culture war is just more one can consider without hilarity.
              Got post more twaddle on your blog, trueman.

              1. “Sorry, the concept of the confused twit trueman fighting a culture war is just more one can consider without hilarity.”

                What’s your problem with fighting a culture war?

                1. Wait, you think THAT is what he said?

                  Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaah

                  WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH READING COMPREHENSION?

                  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

                  1. What is what he said?

                    1. AHAHAHAHAHHAAH I STILL CAN’T GET OVER HOW SHITTY YOUR READING COMPREHENSION IS!!!

                      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

                    2. Seems to mean a lot to you.

      2. Progressives have to shut down dissenting speech, as their own arguments are so weak. Even threatened by these assholes.

        1. I have the impression they have no desire to debate Nazis. Irregardless of any weaknesses in their case. You might be right though.

          1. I suspect very very few people have much desire to debate nazis.

            The thing is, if we are to have freedom of speech, when someone else says things you don’t agree with, your only recourse is to either debate them or suck it up and let them have their say unchallenged.

            Progressives have had longstanding problems with restricting themselves to these two options, hence the above poster’s remarks.

            1. “if we are to have freedom of speech, when someone else says things you don’t agree with, your only recourse is to either debate them or suck it up and let them have their say unchallenged.”

              That’s not the case in times of war. Then, we don’t debate the enemy, we fight them. They fight back too.

              1. War happens when debate fails.

                1. War happens when debate fails.

                  Like when Hitler debated that Rabbi?

            2. Progressives have had longstanding problems with restricting themselves to these two options, hence the above poster’s remarks.

              None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

          2. mtrueman|8.13.17 @ 11:05PM|#
            “…Irregardless…”

            Trueman posted that. I did nothing other than copy and paste it.

            1. ” I did nothing other than copy and paste it.”

              And you did that very well, too. I sometimes salt my comments with malapropisms. You’ve only just noticed?

        2. Progressives have to shut down dissenting speech, as their own arguments are so weak. Even threatened by these assholes.

          Get help.

  3. Small difference — you cannot find a Republican who is not quite willing to condemn white nationalists.

    Good luck finding a Democrat anywhere to condemn antifa.

    One is not part of any mainstream movement. One IS the movement.

    1. “Good luck finding a Democrat anywhere to condemn antifa.”

      Having that kind of establishment support might prove decisive. If the Nazis really want to win the culture wars, they have to be prepared to escalate.

      1. mtrueman|8.13.17 @ 9:33PM|#
        “Having that kind of establishment support might prove decisive. If the Nazis really want to win the culture wars, they have to be prepared to escalate.”

        Trueman, Agent Provocateur! Barney Fife in a trench coat!
        That[‘s great, trueman.

        1. “Andy! Andy, there’s a protest at the barbershop! I just saw a white guy go in and get his hair cut!”

        2. America doesn’t need to be provoked. This comes natural to her. Chickens coming home to roost in the words of one of our late great Muslim brothers.

          1. mtrueman|8.13.17 @ 11:15PM|#
            “America doesn’t need to be provoked. This comes natural to her. Chickens coming home to roost in the words of one of our late great Muslim brothers.”

            Andy, Andy! We have a, uh,…
            Fuck off, trueman. Do you think anyone here takes your crap seriously?
            You’re here in the hopes someone makes the mistake of clicking on your handle to get one more click on your pathetic blog.
            Anyone with self respect would have been gone ling ago; we’ll presume you lack the ability to be embarrassed.

            1. Seriously, I would suggest not taking trueman quite seriously. Pretty sure he is just engaging in parody/light trolling. Too many tells.

              1. “Seriously, I would suggest not taking trueman quite seriously. ”

                Seriously, I don’t think Sevo can help it.

            2. Keep the home fires burning, Sevo.

  4. People I meet and talk politics with are not like any of these people.

    1. Does it seem to you that there have been a significant number of new monikers regarding this tragic event. AlmightyJB?

      1. Yeah, I noticed that as well Charles.

        1. I am glad you noticed that and decided to post your own perception. I thought to post another comment clarifying what I meant, and I am glad that I did not have to do so.

          There are many times that I post comments here (and elsewhere), and despite whatever attention I give to my statements I am nonetheless misunderstood.

          Refreshing is the word that springs to mind.

          1. Shut the fuck up Hazel.

  5. Trump and Bannon and company are the ugly face of white nationalism.

    One group loved Trump’s remarks about Charlottesville: White supremacists

    https://goo.gl/kiYEL9

    1. Palin’s Buttplug|8.13.17 @ 6:31PM|#
      “Trump and Bannon and company are the ugly face of white nationalism.”

      Turd is the ugly face of lies and stupidity.

    2. Hey! Remember yesterday when you made a fool out of yourself stupidly claiming Ivanka has no influence over Trump!

      God, I love laughing at you.

      1. Oh yeah? Where is the little lady’s signature issue – daycare for working moms?

        In the fucking trash can with the rest of the Con Man’s fake agenda.

        You’re the gullible idiot who voted for him.

        1. Palin’s Buttplug|8.13.17 @ 8:21PM|#
          “You’re the gullible idiot who voted for him.”

          And you’re the loser still whining 10 months after the hag lost.

        2. Haahahahahahah

          Matt Welch actually came in here to call you a liar!

          Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

        3. “In the fucking trash can with the rest of the Con Man’s fake agenda”

          So…nothing’s getting done. Wouldn’t that mean NO ONE has any influence? HOW CAN BANNON HAVE MORE INFLUENCE YOU FUCKING RRRRRREEEEETTTAAAAARRRDDDDD!!!

          Ahahahahah you’re so fucking stupid you PROVED YOURSELF WRONG!!!

          I LOVE LAUGHING AT HOW STUPID YOU ARE!!!

  6. Ron, tell us ignorant ones: Who started the violence?

  7. Sad that it takes something like this to get the media to work on weekends. I guess this has probably been one of Reason’s greatest weekends ever. I can sense the glee from a thousand miles away.

  8. Drowning out Kessler, the crowd shouted, “Shame, shame, shame,” “Accomplice” and “Blood on your hands.”

    In my book, they were shouting at the (democrat) mayor of Charlottesville.
    A fifth grader would have know that there was going to be violent suppression of the first amendment that day. I see no evidence that the police (town and state) were properly deployed, that proper crowd control barricades were in place, or that the police were allowed to do their job.
    Back in the day, the Virginia state police were deployed to the VPI campus in anticipation of “conflict’, as the left wing was protesting a conflict in southeast Asia, and at that time the campus was predominantly conservative. (In the late sixties, VPI had just begun admitting women, and had just stopped requiring ROTC and barracks living. That kind of conservative.) The protests were held, the counter protests were held, and nobody got hurt. Now, some feelings got hurt, because the idea of safe spaces was still connected with fallout shelters.
    However, the blue line stood there, and nobody tried to cross it. Mostly because the little guy was over 6 feet two, and weighed a couple hundred pounds not counting his four foot ‘baton’ (aka war club) and shield.
    The difference as I see it is that there was no clear and overwhelming show in Charlottesville that foolishness would NOT be tolerated.
    And that is solely the responsibility of the mayor. Yet that ineffective snowflake is saying Trump should have done something?

    1. From the current media sources and the citizen posted videos, Longtobefree, law enforcement employees were prepared and quite present.

      1. Shut the fuck up Hazel.

        1. Am I or other commentators embarrassing themselves?

          Might there be a more subtle and polite manner in which to address this?

          1. Shut the fuck up Hazel.

            1. “SQUUAAWK! Shut the fuck up Hazel! SQUAWK! Shut the fuck up Hazel! Shut the fuck up Hazel! SQUUUAAAAAWK!”

      2. So the black guy with the improvised flamethrower was arrested? Funny, can’t find him on the prison logs…

      3. Um, no. Even the BBC’s coverage noted that police presence was subdued. Likewise, the Charlottesville ACLU determined that the cops stated they wouldn’t intervene until ordered to do so (legal action pending).

    2. The mayor was more interested in ensuring the White Identitarians could not peaceably assemble than ensuring that violence would not take place, after the court shot down her attempt to keep them away by rejecting their permit. How else to explain the police behavior that day who not only did nothing to keep the clad for battle “antifa” counter-protestors away from the Identitarians, or their enthusiasm to break up the permitted rally, but not the unpermitted counter-protest, once violence broke out?

      It’s fine you don’t like these people, as Ronald clearly doesn’t, but they too have constitutional rights. And at least on a supposedly libertarian magazine/site, you’d think that fact would be important.

      Incidentally, in the car collision video, how do the all the bat wielders manage to rush in so quickly once the collision takes place? It’s odd: the mainstream reporting all mention how he hit some more folks when he backed away after the initial collision but don’t mention all the bats hitting his car that might have encouraged that behavior.

      1. S: In re constitutional rights you may want to take a look at the points made by my colleague Katherine Mangu-Ward. Just saying.

        1. Not to be snarky, but does she make any points other than the one: “Hate speech is legal, violence is not?” Fine point, but not apropos, or at least insufficient.

          I think both she and you are ignoring the elephant in the room. Charlottesville was forced by the court to allow the rally to on, but then did their level best to ensure that the protestors could not peaceably assemble. At least the earlier news was clear on this: The violence was started by the so called anti-fa folks while the police stood aside. This same violence the police then used to disperse the rally-goers.

          Was all this planned? Hard to see what they would do differently if they didn’t. In any case, the Identitarian’s right to peaceable assembly was compromised by the planned or unplanned action of the police.

          (Now, I tend to consider all identitarian movements to be similarly unuseful or worse. However, rights do not exist only for those who we like.)

    3. It’s what they wanted. It’s the whole punch a Nazi mentality except this time the Nazis came prepared.

  9. It took over a year to arrest this little street thug even though there’s clear video footage of her pummeling a protester:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCF_N_VENFk

    http://www.berkeleyside.com/20…..ting-riot/

    A middle school teacher no less.

  10. Where is that idiot poster named ‘Dick Puller’ who claimed the terrorist was a lefty yesterday? He read it on wingnut fake news somewhere.

    1. Yesterday when you claimed Ivanka, Trump’s daughter had no influence! That was a fun day!

      Remember when Matt Welch called you a liar?

      1. Never happened, you dumb hick.

        1. Ahahahahhahh and now you’re lying about somethingWE ACTUALLY SAW!!!

          AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHA

          I LOVE LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!

    2. No, not a wing nut news site, it was a reporters twitter feed while events were still in flux. I note that the media and the authorities still haven’t released any information regarding what group he was affiliated with, if any, or who’s interests he was representing, other than his own.

      1. “it was a reporters twitter feed”

        Isn’t that supposed to be FAKE NEWS for your tribe?

  11. “When they go low, we go high.” So this is what high looks like.

  12. Let’s assume the driver of the car was part of the “white nationalists” (how about “racists”?), and it was intentional. We will then assume the “racists” certainly do not represent the right in general, nor Trump’s views.
    We will further assume that the woman is certainly the victim, her family and friends are due our thoughts, and the driver needs to be tried (and if the above assumption is correct) convicted. All this to put that part of the events to the side.
    Since 11/8/16, the left (ALL of it, not just the dingbat Bernie bros and their pick-pocket brethren) have refused to accept that the United States population elected a president they don’t like.
    This refusal has been manifest in many lefty “protests” ( how about “riots”?), quite a few including self-justified violence:
    “Antifa rarely talk to reporters and rarely give their names, at least not while wearing masks.
    […]
    “People are desperate,” says one masked counterprotester, a student at Evergreen State who gave his name as Felix. “They see the government turning back to regressive Reaganomics and racist undertones and rhetoric, so once they start kicking 25 million people off health care, then you’re going to start seeing riots.”
    http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/…..nce-rising

    1. Cont’d:
      While the right has been, if not quiet, at least a long ways from “riots”. So now the left has a reason to gripe, and gripe they will:
      “In their far corners, both the left and the right have always flirted with political violence. Right-wing militia members saying the government will have to pry their guns from their “cold, dead hands”; liberals feting the veterans of the “days of rage.”
      https://www.bloomberg.com /view/articles/2017-06-15/ both-the-left-and-the-right- wink-at-political-violence
      Note here the “right” is protesting the infringement of a constitutionally-guaranteed freedom, while the left is griping that they didn’t get their way.
      Again, as posted earlier, I predict an increase in violence unless and until the left (ALL of it, turd, Tony and commie kid) accept that the population of the United States elected Trump and you accept that, by law, he is YOUR president.
      If you and your brethren continue the fantasy and the resultant rioting, I predict the violence is a long ways from over; stupidity breeds violence and there are plenty of stupid people on the right to match the left’s stupidity, hard as that may seem to imagine.

    2. Cont’d:
      While the right has been, if not quiet, at least a long ways from “riots”. So now the left has a reason to gripe, and gripe they will:
      “In their far corners, both the left and the right have always flirted with political violence. Right-wing militia members saying the government will have to pry their guns from their “cold, dead hands”; liberals feting the veterans of the “days of rage.”
      https://www.bloomberg.com /view/articles/2017-06-15/both- the-left-and-the-right- wink-at-political-violence
      Note here the “right” is protesting the infringement of a constitutionally-guaranteed freedom, while the left is griping that they didn’t get their way.
      Again, as posted earlier, I predict an increase in violence unless and until the left (ALL of it, turd, Tony and commie kid) accept that the population of the United States elected Trump and you accept that, by law, he is YOUR president.
      If you and your brethren continue the fantasy and the resultant rioting, I predict the violence is a long ways from over; stupidity breeds violence and there are plenty of stupid people on the right to match the left’s stupidity, hard as that may seem to imagine.

      1. Fucking skwirls.

      2. Sevo, the protestors in Charlottesville didn’t go there to “defend Trump” or to assert the legitimacy of his election, they went there for explicitly racist and nationalist reasons. I don’t really see what Trump has to do *directly* with any of the chaos there. I agree that all ought to admit, at least in their hearts, that Trump is the duly elected president, but even if they all did, what would have changed about the protests? Would the racists have been any less racist?

        1. chemjeff|8.13.17 @ 10:31PM|#
          “Sevo, the protestors in Charlottesville didn’t go there to “defend Trump” or to assert the legitimacy of his election, they went there for explicitly racist and nationalist reasons.”
          If I made that claim, I don’t see it, and it certainly wasn’t intended

          “I don’t really see what Trump has to do *directly* with any of the chaos there.”
          I do: The left is pissed that Rump won and they will do anything they will continue to ‘act out’ in their infantile rejection of that result.

          “I agree that all ought to admit, at least in their hearts, that Trump is the duly elected president, but even if they all did, what would have changed about the protests?”
          No, the left must admit IN THEIR ACTIONS that Trump won and the hag lost.

          “Would the racists have been any less racist?”
          Of course not; racists like Obo’s minister are racists regardless. But that ignores the left’s riots as mentioned above; would white racists have been organized and motivated absent that continuing action?
          “You started it” isn’t a phrase that wins a lot of adherents, but it win’s enough.

    3. We will then assume the “racists” certainly do not represent the right in general, nor Trump’s views.

      Trump is up to his ears in the alt-right, Bretbart, Bannon, Infowars and a leader of the conspiracy crazies.
      I suspect Fox News drones don’t even know his lie about David Duke’s support. And probably defend his shameful comments on this disaster, which is proof in itself!

      As always, he does EXACTLY what he accused Obama of doing, like Obama never saying Muslim terrorists … while Trump cannot DARE to say racist terrorists. Or any other adjective for the terrorists, The alt-right even got caught lying to their cult followers that it was an anti-white-nationalist who launched so vicious and deadly an assult with his car. On these very pages, many even lied about the actual video proof posted here.

      that the population of the United States elected Trump and you accept that, by law, he is YOUR president.

      You seem to confuse a King with OUR President. Part of the New Mind Control and other Diktats. The “population” was almost 10 million votes against him. He won the Electoral College by a mere 80,000 votes among three states combined, And he’s ONLY a President, which he and his fellow authoritarians have yet to accept. He never ran a real business, only a family business where he had absolute power.

      “Obey me” is not how America works. Never has been. And never will be.

      1. I’m gonna need a vacchihnation after this…..

        Trump said “on all sides” because the violence has been coming–if one is being generous–from all sides.

        I say ‘if one is being generous’ for a reason.

        The right and the nazis/kkk/white nationalists(who are NOT interchangeable) have generally engaged in retaliatory violence. They get attacked and they respond.

        They didn’t used to do that. They didn’t used to HAVE large protests at all.

        When police keep counter protesters at bay, there is NO violence at protests on the right–the nazis/kkk/white nationalists are TRYING to incite–that is the purpose of their ‘protests’–but, even with them, if the police can keep the crowd at bay, there is little more than angry rhetoric.

        Protests and marches held by the left are usually violent in some form. They clash with police or they engage in vandalism, window breaking and arson to express dissatisfaction. They are frequently un permitted and very often center around a criminal action–like occupying property that does not belong to them. It is very rare to have a leftist march that does not leave something broken, burning, or someone hurt.

        Thus it is important to point out ‘on ALL sides’.

        1. Trump said “on all sides” because the violence has been coming–if one is being generous–from all sides.

          (groan) Not at the action he was discussing.
          He also refused to reject the endorsement and support of David Duke. Hos excuse was that he did not know who Duke is — yet another lie that was immediately exposed.
          And he refused to say “terrorism” — despite attacking Obama for the same thing.

          He did brag that his cult would stand by him even if he committed murder … the first proof of his disrespect for his own supporters.

          I’m gonna need a vacchihnation after this…

          That won’t cure your infantile mentality.

        2. Trump said “on all sides” because the violence has been coming–if one is being generous–from all sides.

          (groan) Not at the action he was discussing.
          He also refused to reject the endorsement and support of David Duke. Hos excuse was that he did not know who Duke is — yet another lie that was immediately exposed.
          And he refused to say “terrorism” — despite attacking Obama for the same thing.

          He did brag that his cult would stand by him even if he committed murder … the first proof of his disrespect for his own supporters.

          I’m gonna need a vacchihnation after this…

          That won’t cure your infantile mentality.

          1. At the incident in Charlottesville, if you watch the various livestreams and videos of the event, it is very clear that the violence was started by the leftist counterprotesters.

            The livestreams come from reporters, ‘reporters’, and from people on the right or left. There are also a few from residents or other uninvolved people.

            As with nearly all of these protests, the first side that resorts to violence is the leftist one.

  13. I’m having a hard time deciding which I hate more, the racists or the socialists.

    1. I’m not at all sure the racists were on only one side.
      I know the socialists were.

      1. Welll, insofar as many of the racists are genuine Nazis, they are quite a bit socialist themselves.

        The identitarian strain of the alt-right, on display this weekend, is definitely collectivist, if not outright socialist.

        I despise them both.

        1. “I despise them both.”
          I certainly agree here, but I’ll object that the self-identified “Nazis” had no idea they were thereby socialists. They thought it was funny haircuts and being nasty to Jews.

    2. I see the “racists” as mainly just fringe people who want attention. I knew a kid like that at my school growing up. He went from one extreme cause to another. He would tell us proudly about how he was on probation because his little terrorist attack failed and he got busted. There was clearly something wrong with him. If he wasn’t an extremist political “joiner”, he’d probably be into credit card fraud or something else to alienate himself from society.

      The socialists I hate worse because I see a bigger danger from otherwise-rational-appearing people claiming ownership over my labor, versus some petty trolls with mental illnesses. I suppose the leftist rioters might rate the dangers differently, but I’d remind them how recently they were criticizing the concept of preemptive war.

    3. ‘m having a hard time deciding which I hate more, the racists or the socialists.

      (LOL) What socialists?

  14. A Plea to My Fellow Libertarians: Please Throw Donald Trump Under the Bus

    by Robert Wenzel

    Pretty much from the start of his campaign, I warned that he did not hold libertarian principles, that he had an infatuation with the military, that he held horrific views on trade and was not going to close down the Fed, etc.

    But some libertarians championed Trump as “better than Hillary.” At the time, I believed this was a strategic blunder in that there really wouldn’t be that much difference between Trump and Hillary and that Hillary, as a target for libertarians would have been much more appealing.

    […]
    Some libertarians continue to support Trump despite the fact that
    the Left, with some justification, is pointing out that Trump is attracting a loud group of fascist supporters.

    […]

    I call on my libertarian friends who have done much to advance liberty to stop the support of Trump, throw him under the bus.

    He has done nothing for the movement except suck air out of it.

    1. Well with all due respect, I don’t think libertarians should “throw Trump under the bus”. Just like they shouldn’t throw Obama under the bus, or Paul Ryan, or anyone else. When they do something we support, we can do that without being bound by some BS tribalist devotion to any person.

      Trump did nominate Gorsuch and for that he deserves some credit. To be honest I half expected him to nominate his sister, which he didn’t do. Granted that’s a very low bar to cross, but he did in fact cross it.

    2. “Some libertarians continue to support Trump despite the fact that
      the Left, with some justification, is pointing out that Trump is attracting a loud group of fascist supporters.”
      So I should oppose him because some obnoxious people are attracted to him? Man, that pretty much means all of the last, oh, 10 POTUS should be under the bus.

      “I call on my libertarian friends who have done much to advance liberty to stop the support of Trump, throw him under the bus.
      He has done nothing for the movement except suck air out of it.”
      DeVos, Gorsuch, the number of regs ‘disappearing’? Done nothing?
      The guy’s a blowhard. He seems to go off publicly at the least cause. I have a hard time imagining he runs his businesses in such a disorganized manner. And I do not recall anyone claiming he was ‘libertarian’.
      But I’m of the opinion that carefully-scripted government actions are usually to my detriment; I’ll take a bit of chaotic grid-lock any day. Plus, he’s made all the best enemies and he’s got ’em steppin’ and fetchin’ like their pants is on fire and their ass is catchin’.
      If, somehow, the plea has to do with civil violence, please see not far above; the left OWNS it. THEY need to get over losing.
      So, in summary, I’ll take Trump over the hag as the best possible outcome.

      1. Re: Sevo,

        So I should oppose him because some obnoxious people are attracted to him?

        Not merely attracted to him, Sevo. Embolden by him.

        that pretty much means all of the last, oh, 10 POTUS should be under the bus.

        But they were thrown under the bus – by libertarians. All the way to LBJ.

          1. Are you a history teacher? Trump is the Republican FDR. A raging despot, with a devoted fan base that excuses everything he does — no matter how vile. Now the authoritarian right has a hero (even greater than Ron Paul, who led the way).

            FDR’s cult even defended his throwing US citizens into concentration camps, with no trials, not even any charges filed. A literal police state, We can only imagine what atrocities Trump will commit. At the moment, a nuclear war is the most likely, with his uncontrollable temper and compulsive bullying.

            His cult, like him, even believes that Politically Correct is a ban on acting like a total asshole .,.. when PC actually means a overly sensitive. Because his cult, like him, are bellowing blowhards. Even TRUMP said they’re mindless puppets, when he said his supporters would stand by him, even if he committed murder in broad daylight,

            His adoring mob even accepts such a massive insult by their leader! How sick is THAT?

    3. A Plea to My Fellow Libertarians: Please Throw Donald Trump Under the Bus

      Spot on. Thanks. But why post it here? Libertarians have been outnumbered in this commentariat for years.

  15. Street protests are a fools errand.

  16. I love all the twitter posts showing a pic of WWII US soldiers captioned “these patriotic Americans killed Nazis and took their flag”. Need one of Vietnam War US soldiers: “these patriotic Americans killed communists and took their ears”!

  17. It was a WWII US soldier who smuggled in the cyanide for H. Goering to kill himself with. He was given his watch, apparently. This according to a dramatized tv show I vaguely recall watching some time back.

    1. Bull
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      shit.

    2. Excellent source to cite.

      1. If you have a better one, I invite you to share it.

  18. So, according to the comments above, Matt Welch told Palin’s Buttplug in a thread that he (PB) was lying about something?

    Can someone link to the thread or repost it? Was it recent or a while ago? I’m always looking for new entertainment.

    1. The comments were by one commenter only, so it was “comments” in that one commenter made that claim several times.
      I did not see the claimed statement by Welsh, but I have seen turd busted here, clearly and directly, for lying in the past.
      I certainly hope the claimant adds one more to the pile of lies turd has posted here.
      The fact that turd exists is an argument for abortion; his mom shoulda.

  19. Thanks, Ron … especially your cogent conclusion on two battling tribes of collectivists, each placing identity politics above individual liberty. We’ve seen the same flaw in recent comments here. Intolerance. Shouting down opposing viewpoints, and the like. Our political culture is sick. A majority of voters self-describe with libertarian values … are open to even radical change … but there’s nothing to see … a leadership vacuum has always been the greatest threat to any society.

    It would help if we had a unifier in the White House, instead such a divisive and combative President. Except for today’s silent majority, two raging tribes each want it ALL their own way. To hell with consent of the governed or will of the people. Or even free markets.

    It’s not enough to oppose an Obama. Clinton or Trump. The tribesmen must totally hate them or be guilty of treason.
    A race to the bottom..

    1. Good post. Sad day indeed.

      I try and talk to my parents about Trump but they despise Clinton and Democrats in general that Trump could literally murder a nun in a Church and they would probably say “Well, he is bad, but at least he aint Clinton! I support him!”

      The media is making this no better either in their zeal to crucify Trump. He is such a piece of garbage that it should be fairly easy to just report what he is doing in a fairly impartial manner, almost clinically, and it should be enough for people to understand he is trash. But that is not good enough for our investigative journalists, they must peddle anything possible to “oppose” the President. I honestly think most of our media members think they are doing good work for America to so openly oppose a man they likely equate to Hitler or, at the very least, Mussolini.

      It is an unfortunate state of affairs, the middle of our country has virtually no voice in politics or in the media and the most vociferous factions are the only sides making any noise and pushing our political narratives. I unfortunately think they are forcing people to choose sides in whatever is happening now, pushing people into our tribal camps. Unfortunate.

      1. Yep it’s the hatred. Driven by zealots and fanatics, as first described in the seminal book on their behavior — by Eric Hoffer in the 50s. His view of history was that all mass movements are eventually dominated by zealots and fanatics — for who he coined the label “True Believers,”

        His conclusion and my own summary of his work:

        Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers.”
        -Eric Hoffer, “The True Believers” (1951)

        Throughout human history, the worst moral atrocitres have been committed by those manipulated to BELIEVE they are defending some “greater good” — the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous.
        -Mike Hihn (1994)

        Today it’s Social Justice Warriors vs Religious/Political Justice Warriors, flip sides of the same authoritarian coin. Each conducting a modern (un)Holy Inquisition. Each dedicated warriors against ?. the greatest evil of all time! (gasp) Each is motivated by self-righteous zeal, driven by raging hatred, thus eager to be exploited for their beliefs. As cult-like as Jonestown … equally willing to drink the (moral) Kool-Aid

    2. “It would help if we had a unifier in the White House, instead such a divisive and combative President. Except for today’s silent majority, two raging tribes each want it ALL their own way. To hell with consent of the governed or will of the people. Or even free markets.”

      I’ve barely paid attention but isn’t Trump being criticized mostly for saying something like: “condemn violence on all sides….”.

      But, isn’t he really hitting the nail on the head?

      1. But, isn’t he really hitting the nail on the head?

        Fuck no. Not here.
        He, like the wacky right, tore Obama to shreds for not condemning “terrorists” by name — but those same folks defend Trump doing the same thing. Trump even refused to denounce his endorsement from David Duke. He shrugged and his excuse was that he had no idea who Duke was … yet another pathetic lie exposed quickly,

        Look at how many goobers — on this page — assume the counter-protesters are “socialists.” That’s how they minimize (excuse) the events there. Not just false equivalence, manufactured equivalence. Shameful.

        Why did you quote my words — “To hell with consent of the governed or will of the people. Or even free markets.” — and veer off into something entirely different?

        1. P.S. Trump even praises Alex Jones — our worst psycho of hatred.

      2. I’ve barely paid attention but isn’t Trump being criticized mostly for saying something like: “condemn violence on all sides….”.

        But, isn’t he really hitting the nail on the head?

        He is, but that can’t be allowed to stand–it doesn’t fit the narrative.

        Sadly, he’s since caved, letting the left maintain it’s bloody handed pretense of innocence.

  20. “I would like to condemn any of the violence that happened yesterday,” he is caught saying on the audio. “I disavow anything that led to folks getting hurt. It really is a sad day in our constitutional democracy when we are not able to have civil liberties like the First Amendment. That’s what leads to rational discussion and ideas breaking down and people resorting to violence.”

    —-Kessler

    If Adolf Hitler had said that, he wouldn’t be wrong just because he’s Adolf Hitler–but Adolf Hitler never would have said something like that. If that statement is representative of what Kessler believes, then he ain’t no Adolf Hitler.

    Meanwhile, according to the SJWs, the First Amendment is homophobic insofar as it protects association rights and racist insofar as it protects hate speech. I don’t know anything about this Kessler guy other than what I’ve read here, but as statements on the First Amendment go, that one’s not half bad.

    Of course, even the Devil can quote scripture, but then the SJWs have gone so far down the road to Cultural Revolution, I don’t think they could bring themselves to cite the First Amendment anymore–I doubt they can even fake it.

    According to SJWs, the First Amendment is homophobic insofar as it protects association rights and racist insofar as it protects hate speech.

  21. I truly hate the bigotry spouted by some of the alt right groups but I find it really odd when I read all the comments by the left condemning the violence from the right but remaining conspicuously silent when the violence comes from the left. It is time to realize that this no longer a united country and just go ahead and dissolve the union. The people here will be better off and so will the world.

    1. but remaining conspicuously silent when the violence comes from the left.

      Is that how you excuse overt Nazis and Klansmen?
      (And it would never be reported by the conspiracy hysterics at Fox, Breitbart, WND and Infowars)

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