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Animatronic Trump Will Speak at Disney World, Sanders Calls FBI Probe 'Pathetic,' Palin Suing New York Times: P.M. Links

Ed Krayewski | 6.28.2017 4:30 PM

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    Disney says the animatronic Donald Trump in the "Hall of Presidents" exhibit at Disney World will have a speaking role, disputing a report from Vice News.

  • Bernie Sanders called the FBI probe into alleged fraud by his wife "pathetic" and suggested it was politically motivated.
  • Sarah Palin is suing The New York Times for linking her political ads to the Jared Loughner shootings.
  • A new report from the Pentagon finds the threat of missiles growing worldwide.
  • The European Union is not releasing a a report on corruption that was supposed to be out last year.
  • A proposed law in the Philippines would threaten jail time for citizens who don't sing the national anthem with fervor.
  • Facebook has hit 2 billion users.
  • Phil Jackson is leaving the New York Knicks.

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Ed Krayewski is a former associate editor at Reason.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Facebook has hit 2 billion users.

    Right in the face. With a book.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

      Hello.

      "Bernie Sanders called the FBI probe into alleged fraud by his wife "pathetic" and suggested it was politically motivated."

      Of course he would. RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY.

      1. Last of the Shitlords   8 years ago

        Not like those Trump/Russia investigations. Serious stuff there.

    2. Karen24   8 years ago

      That's just under 1/3 of the world's population. Has there ever been anything since the days of Homo erectus that connected 1/3 of humanity at once? (Seriously, all social media creates issues, but I can't help but think it's kinda nifty that so many people are instantly interconnected.)

      1. Zeb   8 years ago

        I'm not sure it's really accurate to say that Facebook connects 1/3 of humanity. It does connect 1/3 of humanity to something, but it's mostly to people who they would have known if social media wasn't a thing. As far as connecting people goes, it's not that much more of a change than the telephone (though different in many ways and it does at least make possible connecting to people you never would have known otherwise).

        1. Juice   8 years ago

          Exactly. The telephone network connects more than 1/3 of humanity.

      2. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

        I whittled my Friends list down to about 80 people and then quit Facebook altogether. Suck it, interconnectedness!

        1. Meh.   8 years ago

          I quit social media for a year and a half but then decided to reactivate my Facebook. It keeps me updated on my friends and family's lives, which is useful because honestly, with the exceptions of my immediate family and two best friends, I'm not picking up the phone to call and check on any of these people.

          1. Fuck You - Cut Spending   8 years ago

            with the exceptions of my immediate family and two best friends, I'm not picking up the phone to call and check on any of these people.

            Xmas cards are a lot less effort.

        2. Last of the Shitlords   8 years ago

          I never joined Facebook in the first place. I'm more partial to Fuckbook.

      3. mad.casual   8 years ago

        Has there ever been anything since the days of Homo erectus that connected 1/3 of humanity at once?

        You mean other than all the stuff since the time of Homo erectus that's "connected" 1/3 or more of humanity at once? Concrete, pencils, and the internal combustion engine have done a pretty good job of keeping 100% of humanity connected in one form or another for a lot longer or are the series of tubes the only connections that matter?

        1. Zeb   8 years ago

          I'd say practically instantaneous communication systems connected people in unprecedented ways. But that started with the telegraph and telephone. I'd say the telephone (and radio) is the really revolutionary technology for connecting people around the world. It's kind of hard to imagine at this point a world where you can't just contact pretty much anyone within a few minutes, or where you'd have to wait weeks or months for news from other parts of the world.

          1. mad.casual   8 years ago

            I'd say practically instantaneous communication systems connected people in unprecedented ways.

            Sure, but lots of these ways were inconsequential or tangential. Which is easily recognized when you remember that people would twitter-narrate their lives up to the minute and ask people who were at events first hand if they saw their post of the event on facebook.

            Like you said, I can pick up the phone and call half a million chinamen on a whim but I've never needed to do that and don't care to do it as long as they continue to ship goods to me cheaply as they have since at least when Amazon was still just a book company.

        2. Entelechy   8 years ago

          There's always The Bell Curve- 50% of all hominid populations fall on one side or the other

      4. Fuck You - Cut Spending   8 years ago

        THE POST OFFICE

      5. MarkLastname   8 years ago

        Has anything ever wasted so many hours of precious time? Doubtful. Truly an impressive feat!

    3. Fuck You - Cut Spending   8 years ago

      Too much fucking connectedness.

    4. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

      How many are Tulpa socks?

      1. Aloysious   8 years ago

        This is the question; right here.

  2. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    Bernie Sanders called the FBI probe into alleged fraud by his wife "pathetic" and suggested it was politically motivated.

    Whoa, deja vu.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

      With children going hungry in this country, no one needs a choice of 14 political witch hunts.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

      So Sander is acting like Trump now.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

        I suppose I should of added the S at the end, but that sounds plural and in the socialist world you can't be greedy.

        1. KerryW   8 years ago

          Yes, nobody needs more than one (in fact one is too many).

          1. Philadelphia Collins   8 years ago

            *should have

      2. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

        Sander? I hardly know 'er!

      3. ThomasD   8 years ago

        Except that, in the case of Sander's wife there is actual fire (in the form of documented false representations) along with the smoke.

    3. The Divine Reactionoid   8 years ago

      Well, when you're a memeber of a known shady political group, and money is changing hands, expect to get investigated.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    The European Union is not releasing a a report on corruption that was supposed to be out last year.

    RIGHT TO BE FORGOTTEN: EXERCISED!

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      Goddammit.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

        Yeah, way to go for the obvious, lazy joke.

        1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

          Look, it's been a long day.

  4. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    The European Union is not releasing a a report on corruption that was supposed to be out last year.

    Various implicated officials are claiming the "right to be forgotten," i'm sure.

  5. Libertarian   8 years ago

    "A new report from the Pentagon finds the threat of missiles growing worldwide."

    I guess we're expected to assume that they mean missiles launched by countries other than the U.S.

    1. Shirley Knott   8 years ago

      Purchased from us, sure. But we're the only ones who get to launch them. Or maybe, under the right circumstances, authorize or approve the launch (off the record if necessary).
      But gotta sell missiles and bombs! Jobs depend on it!

      1. Karen24   8 years ago

        The most effective defense tactic we have right now is the Massive Simultaneous Software Update. "The Launch Sequence has been stopped while the system performs 241 essential updates."

        1. PurityDiluting   8 years ago

          golf clap

    2. mad.casual   8 years ago

      I guess we're expected to assume that they mean missiles launched by countries other than the U.S.

      It can be both a warning and a promise!

  6. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    A proposed law in the Philippines would threaten jail time for citizens who don't sing the national anthem with fervor.

    OH CANADA

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 years ago

      Not feeling the fervor. Try OH CANADA!!!

  7. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    A new report from the Pentagon finds the threat of missiles growing worldwide.

    When your missile grows around the world, it grows a-r-o-u-n-d the world.

  8. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    A proposed law in the Philippines would threaten jail time for citizens who don't sing the national anthem with fervor.

    So they didn't learn anything from the Roseanne Barr debacle?

    1. Libertarian   8 years ago

      Ozzie Osbourne hardest hit.

      1. PurityDiluting   8 years ago

        He's on facebook?

        1. Libertarian   8 years ago

          I wouldn't know. But he is on Facebook.*

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPYI_Y3pWw

          *that was scary. Spellcheck just capitalized Facebook for me.

          1. Libertarian   8 years ago

            I'm done.

          2. chemjeff   8 years ago

            Wow. Just wow.

        2. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

          "Y'e, o' co' I a' o' face' ook, y' d' inc' onsi' bl m' o' fu' er."

      2. Zeb   8 years ago

        Who?

        1. notJoe   8 years ago

          Some off-key "singer" what got dumped by Black Sabbath for Dio.

          1. BearOdinson   8 years ago

            THIS!!

            I love Paranoid (and NIB) as much as the next guy. But Ronnie James was so much better a singer!!

            And frankly I have loved him throughout his career (Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Dio). Ozzie? not so much. After Crazy Train it was all the same fucking pop rock bullshit.

            1. notJoe   8 years ago

              And Rainbow was nothing but pop rock bullshit after RJD got canned.

              1. BearOdinson   8 years ago

                Again THIS^^

            2. Zeb   8 years ago

              I will grant that objectively Dio was a better singer. But he's not the singer I'd rather hear singing with Black Sabbath. And Dio is dead, so Ozzy wins.

              1. Zeb   8 years ago

                Dio is also responsible for some of the most unintentionally hilarious rock lyrics ever, and for that I salute his memory.

              2. Dillinger   8 years ago

                >>>And Dio is dead, so Ozzy wins.

                Ozzy laughs about this before bed every night.

              3. The Divine Reactionoid   8 years ago

                If you're actually a Sabbath fan, anything solo Ozzy is nothing but pop rock bullshit.

                https://youtu.be/Pr3DhFMaBcA
                O is for overrated.
                Comparatively, Ozzy sings this song like a timid kitten.

            3. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

              Uh, Diary of a Madman disagrees.

          2. Zeb   8 years ago

            You take that back! Ozzy is the shit. I don't know about this Ozzie character, though.

            1. BearOdinson   8 years ago

              I can't believe I misspelled Ozzy.

              FML

              1. Dillinger   8 years ago

                so did Libertarian...80s Cardinals fans? Can't get enough Baltimore Ravens?

  9. Libertarian   8 years ago

    "A proposed law in the Philippines would threaten jail time for citizens who don't sing the national anthem with fervor."

    I'm reminded of the Yankees fan who was tossed out of Yankee stadium by off duty cops because he got up to take a leak during the national anthem. At least the Philippines has the guts to put it in writing.

    1. Fuck You - Cut Spending   8 years ago

      Couldn't the guy just claim he's not a citizen?

  10. OM Nullum gratuitum prandium   8 years ago

    "We'll Make America Grating Again! It's going to be Hooooch! We're going to build a tall, beautiful wall and I'm going to make you pay for it! I mean, Mexico!"

  11. Dillinger   8 years ago

    who the fuck is Fervor?

  12. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    A proposed law in the Philippines would threaten jail time for citizens who don't sing the national anthem with fervor.

    Unfortunately the Filipino national anthem is Imogen Heap's Hide and Seek.

  13. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    How to Keep Your Competitive Edge and Your Humanity at Elite Universities

    C'mon, you know what is meant by "your humanity" here.

    Say you're sitting in class and just submitted a difficult problem set or coding assignment. The student next to you sighs, "glad that's done!"

    You're focused on your phone, trying to make plans with your cute lab partner. It takes about 30 seconds to realize someone spoke. You answer vaguely:

    "Yeah? it was easy."

    Your peer may not have been addressing you. Maybe they just sighed to themselves, or to someone else, or to God. Who knows? But you respond, and you lie. Chances are you suffered too. In fact, this particular assignment took most students, including you, 25 hours this week. But you're not paying attention.

    ...

    Competitiveness need not produce hurtful behavior; nor should the drive for excellence be discouraged. Striving to finish first, snare the top grade, create something new, better, and completely original?that's what students at top universities do. But they can also achieve all this without indifference, microaggressions, or worst of all, Schadenfreude, the joyful relishing of others' misery.

    1. BearOdinson   8 years ago

      Without Schadenfreude, what joy can be had in this world?

    2. Meh.   8 years ago

      Surely, you had no ill-intent, and absolutely nothing racist in mind at all. But since you never looked up from your phone, you might never know who that other student was.

      Sooo they're advocating for racial discrimination by admonishing us to always check the color of the other person's skin before engaging in any type of conversation?

      1. Fuck You - Cut Spending   8 years ago

        You should at least check the crazy in their eyes before engaging in conversation.

    3. Illocust   8 years ago

      I read that article. It only gets worse from there. She's not complaining about people who had a tough time pretending that they didn't. She's complaining about people who didn't break a sweat getting an A saying so. She doesn't want anyone reminding her that she isn't the smartest person in the class.

      1. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

        Early in freshman year of college, a close friend of mine--who was our class valedictorian--called me one night from her dorm in tears, talking about how tough things were, how she felt like she couldn't keep up with the classwork, and wondering if she should leave after the semester was over or even drop out right away. I had to talk her down and remind her that she was going to a private university with people who were all just as smart and in some cases smarter than her, that she probably wasn't going to be the top dog there like she was at our quasi-ghetto high school, and that she needed to accept that if she was going to do well. I convinced her to give it another month and if she was still having problems, then she could determine if she really belonged at that school or not.

        Long story short, she toughed it out and ended up graduating with a BFA and BS, and unlike Little Miss Complainer above managed to do so without insecurely bitching about smart classmates supposedly rubbing their intelligence in her face.

    4. Number 7   8 years ago

      how do you even go to college now, knowing that responding to a stupid, inane comment with an equally inane acknowledgement is going to be a microagression and I have to be careful lest I insult or trigger someone in class with whatever comment I make about ANYTHING. Fuck, stay home and buy Great Courses lectures if you want to learn anything.

      This article is so racist and condescending, it assumes that all black people are poor, undereducated, weak people who can't just say, "hey asshole, I said 'thank god that's done'" and sneer at you until you put your phone down and respond with 'yeah, thank god.'

      1. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

        The funny thing about an article like this is that it's an implicit acknowledgement that college is now Grades 13-16, not an institution for advanced intellectual study, because of the simple fact that they'll admit just about anyone with a pulse, especially if it will increase their "diversity" quota. If you have to scold the smart set that they need to be more conscious that showing off how smart they are is going to hurt other people's feelings, then you're basically admitting that colleges are accepting subliterate dopes into the student body.

  14. OM Nullum gratuitum prandium   8 years ago

    A new report from the Pentagon finds the threat of missiles growing worldwide.

    Too many people arming themselves with slingshots!

    Or what missiles were you referring to?

  15. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    A new report from the Pentagon finds the threat of missiles growing worldwide.

    "Pew pew pew BOOOOSSSSHHHHKHKHKH," the Pentagon spokesman added.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Sarah Palin is suing The New York Times for linking her political ads to the Jared Loughner shootings.

    Look, a Democrat shot up a bunch of Republicans, so they needed balance in their story.

    1. SIV   8 years ago

      Robby had a piece published in the times. He probably suggested it to the editorial board.

  17. Juice   8 years ago

    The European Union is not releasing a a report on corruption that was supposed to be out last year.

    They forgot to bribe the head of the printers union.

  18. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    disputing a report from Vice News.

    Moynihan! [shakes Fist]

    1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

      Vice retracted its two articles about the Trump robot on Wednesday, saying in an editor's note that the stories contained multiple factual errors and "fell short of our standards."

      From what I've seen of Moynihan's VICE News Tonight HBO show, it's right where their standards are.

      1. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

        The exception that oroves the rule.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Disney says the animatronic Donald Trump in the "Hall of Presidents" exhibit at Disney World will have a speaking role...

    It will be in 140-character increments.

    1. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

      This was a controversy? As I recall, the sitting president's animatronic has always had a speaking role in the show.

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   8 years ago

        It was. Anything the Don does is worthy of complaint to a snowflake.

  20. Juice   8 years ago

    You SF'd the Pentagon link!!

    But the Bloomberg 404 page is worth it.

  21. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

    "Sarah Palin is suing The New York Times for linking her political ads to the Jared Loughner shootings."

    Palin's Gawker moment? One could hope. However implausible.

    Fuck Zuckerberg.

    1. Libertarian   8 years ago

      My nickname is college was Zuck Fuckerberg.

      1. Libertarian   8 years ago

        Coincidentally, it was the same college where I learned how to type.

  22. Libertarian   8 years ago

    "Bernie Sanders called the FBI probe into alleged fraud by his wife "pathetic" and suggested it was politically motivated."

    Oh NOW the FBI is politically motivated. Makes sense.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    "HGVS are maneuverable vehicles that travel at hypersonic (greater than Mach 5) speed and spend most of their flight at much lower altitudes than a typical ballistic missile," according to the report. "The combination of high speed, maneuverability, and relatively low altitude makes them challenging targets for missile defense systems."

    It's a M.A.D. world.

    1. Libertarian   8 years ago

      This is really going to piss off Canada geese.

      1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

        Good. Those fuckers are nasty.

        1. Dillinger   8 years ago

          tasty (fify)

  24. paranoid android   8 years ago

    A proposed law in the Philippines would threaten jail time for citizens who don't sing the national anthem with fervor.

    Has Trump called Duterte yet to congratulate him on what a great job he's doing with civil engagement?

    1. Libertarian   8 years ago

      Yes, yes he has. Trump also gave him hell for not building a wall.

  25. Tony   8 years ago

    I really want the Sanderses to get into some sort of trouble. That's one bubble that really needs to burst.

    1. Last of the Shitlords   8 years ago

      Yes, he defied your Empress Hillary the First. Or at least installing her was the plan, eh comrade?

  26. Jerryskids   8 years ago

    Bernie Sanders called the FBI probe into alleged fraud by his wife "pathetic" and suggested it was politically motivated.

    Greatest political witch hunt in history. Sad.

  27. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    Eliezer Yudkowsky "Human Theory of the Left":

    Bryan Caplan's Simplistic Theory of Left and Right says "The Left is anti-market and the Right is anti-Left". This theory is half wrong, and will for this reason confuse the Left in particular. It ought to be a clue that if you ask the Left whether they're anti-market, most of the Left will answer, "Of course not," whereas if you ask the Right whether they're anti-Left, they'll answer "Hell yes we are." People may understand themselves poorly a lot of the time, but they often know what they hate.

    My "Human Theory of the Left" is as follows: The Left holds markets to the same standards as human beings.

    Consider a small group of 50 people disconnected from the outside world, as in the world where humans evolved. When you offer somebody fifty carrots for an antelope haunch, that price carries with it a great array of judgments and considerations, like whether that person has done you any favors in the past, and how much effort it took them to hunt the antelope, and how much effort it took you to gather the carrots. If you offer them an unusually generous price, you'd expect them to give good prices in return in the future. A low price is either a status-lowering insult, or carries with it a judgment that the other person already has lower status than you.

    1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      And that's what the Left sees when they look at somebody being paid $8/hour. They don't see a supply curve, or a demand curve; or a tautology that for every loaf of bread bought there must be a loaf of bread sold, and therefore supply is always and everywhere equal to demand; they don't see a price as the input to the supply function and demand function which makes their output be equal. They see a judgment about how hard an employee works, and how much they need and deserve.

      So of course they hate whatever looks at a poor starving mother and says "$8/hour". Who wouldn't?

      Ask them and they'll *tell you*: They don't *hate* markets. They just think that the prices and outcomes aren't fair, and that tribal action is required for everyone to get together and decide that the prices and outcomes should be fairer.

      If this post gets shared outside my own feed, some people will be reading this and wondering why I *wouldn't* want prices to be fair.

      And they'll suspect that I must worship the Holy Market and believe *its* prices to be wise and fair; and that if I object to any regulation it's because I want the holy, wise and fair Market Price to be undisturbed.

      1. BearOdinson   8 years ago

        The only reason they say they don't hate markets is that either they are lying or have no idea what a fucking market is.

        In addition, this idiot is guilty of the fallacy that the market is some static thing. Price doesn't make supply and demand equal (in a static sense). It is the feedback mechanism in which the equilibrium shifts in the equation. But it always fluid.

        And tribal action?? This is the same as:

        You are in a bowling league. The league votes 50% +1 that anyone who joined after some arbitrary date don't have to pay dues. However, everyone who was a member prior to that date still has to pay dues (and it figures that they would have to pay more, to make up the deficit). DEMOCRACY!

        Of course, you can always leave and start another bowling league. You can't leave and form your own federal government (or state, etc.)

      2. Juice   8 years ago

        Ask them and they'll *tell you*: They don't *hate* markets. They just think that the prices and outcomes aren't fair, and that tribal action is required for everyone to get together and decide that the prices and outcomes should be fairer.

        IOW, they hate markets.

        1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

          I think Yudkowsky does pretty much end up agreeing with Caplan, explaining the cause of Caplan's effect. But that makes it an important piece. I agree with him that you should listen to what the subject says, and that if leftists say they don't hate markets yet rail against certain kinds of market prices or economic arguments, it's worth digging into this paradox. And these value judgments that leftists project on market prices - and then accuse us of assigning to prices and the market! - is vital to understanding why we can't get through to some people.

          (I also prefer to say that a lot of leftists dislike commerce, rather than markets, but that is colored by the kind of leftists I read online)

          1. Tony   8 years ago

            That's like saying because someone wants a streetlight put up at an intersection, they hate transportation. It's really stupid.

            1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

              Oof. Get a coffee or something, Tones.

            2. MarkLastname   8 years ago

              Actually it's like saying someone who wants all cars to drive on tracks controlled by the authorities hates the idea of people being able to drive where they want.

            3. Last of the Shitlords   8 years ago

              Bad analogy Tony.

      3. BearOdinson   8 years ago

        So if I can get 50% +1 of the people to vote that only men should get paid for work, not women, that would be fair, right?? Because DEMOCRACY!

      4. Tony   8 years ago

        Wages have been stagnant, adjusted for inflation, for 50 years. Chalk that up to supply and demand if you can.

        Liberals think of markets as tools to use to improve the condition of human beings, not gods whose whims we must obey. That's the difference.

        1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

          OK: supply has expanded through globalization, suppressing nominal wage growth and boosting returns on capital.

          Easy.

          1. Tony   8 years ago

            I suppose the demand for CEO labor has shot up 10,000% or whatever somehow as well?

            1. Juice   8 years ago

              Apparently so. Companies that have tried to drastically cut CEO pay find that they can't find a good enough CEO and wind up paying something near the "going rate" eventually. Sure, CEO pay seems ridiculous, but so does pay for baseball players even though, to me, it's one of the most boring sports to watch. So I can look at a CEO of a $100B company and see that he's making what a baseball player makes and I just have to shrug. Wachagonnado?

              1. Tony   8 years ago

                Give workers leverage. What's an economy for if it only serves to increase the wealth at the top while everyone else scrapes by on a purposely designed knife's edge?

                The problem is pretending that the status quo is the product of a free market rather than just as manipulated and twisted as it ever has been, only to the benefit of the few so it's cool with libertarians.

                1. Dillinger   8 years ago

                  >>>everyone else scrapes by

                  we're not in Somalia here...that is all.

                  1. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

                    Not having healthcare and renting instead of buying are basically the same as catching malaria and starving to death

                2. BearOdinson   8 years ago

                  You are missing a couple of important points here.

                  1) An economy doesn't have a purpose. An economy is nothing more than the composite of billions of individual transactions occurring every day. There is no driving force behind it. There is only whatever restrictions are placed on it by government. Or reality (See for example underpants gnomes).

                  2) How would we go about giving workers "leverage"? So do workers get to vote on their own salaries? How long do you think that will work?

                  I really would like to have a conversation about these things, because how these are viewed really is very important to the policies one wants to promote.

                  1. Tony   8 years ago

                    An economy without a government is a barter-and-murder situation. Of course government is the necessary driving force behind any economy. An economy needs rules to be worth anything, doesn't it? Like, "don't steal," to be basic. It's a major function of any government to determine what ends the economy serves.

                    You give workers leverage enough to compete with bosses by letting them unionize. I know that libertarians have some bizarre hand-waving justification for why governments should be allowed to restrict the free choice to unionize, but I'm never colored shocked when libertarians act like corporate stooges, because, like an economy without a government, they wouldn't have a purpose otherwise.

                    1. Juice   8 years ago

                      "don't steal"

                      What would you know about that?

                    2. Juice   8 years ago

                      You give workers leverage enough to compete with bosses by letting them unionize.

                      They're allowed to unionize right now.

                      I know that libertarians have some bizarre hand-waving justification for why governments should be allowed to restrict the free choice to unionize

                      Feel free to unionize all you want. It's called free association.

                    3. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

                      I don't think Tony will ever get the underlying philosophy of libertarianism and we should probably stop trying. He is implying that murder and stealing are ok in our book because "free market". He has no concept of natural rights. There's really nothing left to see here

                    4. Last of the Shitlords   8 years ago

                      What Tony really means is that unions should be required by law, membership compulsory, and their thuggish activities protected by government.

                  2. Dillinger   8 years ago

                    >>.An economy doesn't have a purpose.

                    should be the first line of every econ text.

                  3. ThomasD   8 years ago

                    "An economy doesn't have a purpose."

                    Very true. Now also consider that to much of the materialist reductionist left neither does any single person.

                    It is only when you assign value to the individual that the machinations of the intentional left become problematic.

                3. Juice   8 years ago

                  Give workers leverage.

                  In what way? I'm sure you'll choose to use threats and violent force to accomplish what you call leverage, but let's hear it.

                  What's an economy for if it only serves to increase the wealth at the top while everyone else scrapes by on a purposely designed knife's edge?

                  There's a lot of wrong wrapped up in this sentence, but let's start with "what's the economy for". I guess, you mean, what's the market for? It's for people to trade what they have for what they want. If you have something that lots of other people have and you want something that few people have, you're not going to have much leverage. And of course the converse is true.

                  And I'd like to know who purposely designed this "knife edge" that everyone is living on and what the purpose is. Gotta hear this.

                  The problem is pretending that the status quo is the product of a free market rather than just as manipulated and twisted as it ever has been, only to the benefit of the few so it's cool with libertarians.

                  Oh yeah, we have such a free market in this country. That's why libertarians are so satisfied with it.

                  1. Tony   8 years ago

                    You're satisfied with CEO-worker pay disparity. Just said so.

                    1. Juice   8 years ago

                      You're satisfied with CEO-worker pay disparity. Just said so.

                      When did I say I was satisfied with it? Satisfied has nothing to do with it. It's actually none of my business how much the CEO of Albemarle or the pitcher for the Astros makes.

                    2. Tony   8 years ago

                      Nor is it your business whether workers want to collectively bargain for higher wages and better benefits. But you sure do make it your business, right?

                    3. Juice   8 years ago

                      Nor is it your business whether workers want to collectively bargain for higher wages and better benefits. But you sure do make it your business, right?

                      Uh, wrong. You're arguing with the Republican that lives in your head.

                    4. Last of the Shitlords   8 years ago

                      And once again, Tony moves the goalpost. What a shitbag.

                    5. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

                      It's like he set out to prove Yudkowsky's thesis.

                    6. x'); DROP USER Tony;   8 years ago

                      Noooooooo shit.

                      My only thought reading this exchange. He is exhibiting basically every misunderstanding articulated in the article.

            2. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

              Sure. And perhaps supply contracted. Or perhaps we're comparing apples to oranges, as the CEO demanded for a 21st century corporation may be of a different kind than what was demanded fifty years ago.

              1. Tony   8 years ago

                I'm gonna go with a deliberate plan to wholesale loot of the economy over those decades.

                1. Juice   8 years ago

                  I'm gonna go with a deliberate plan to wholesale loot of the economy over those decades.

                  Those fucking Bilderburgers! I knew it.

                2. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

                  And apparently we're the conspiracy theorists

            3. Bra Ket   8 years ago

              I really hate this commie cherry-picking game of examining the tiny subset of successful executives. I guess musician is an absurdly overpaid job category nowadays too right?

              According to the BLS the average salary for a CEO is 194k.

              More interesting info: the vast majority of fortune 500 companies from the 1950's are now gone. The CEO compensation at those firms went from whatever it was to zero.

              1. ThomasD   8 years ago

                "According to the BLS the average salary for a CEO is 194k."

                And what is the median salary? I'm going to say a lot lower. Because for every top dog at a Fortune 500 there is an army of chief/cook/bottle washers running a small business/sole proprietorship somewhere.

        2. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

          https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RCPHBS

          https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEFAINUSA646N

          https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N

          You were saying about stagnation?

        3. MarkLastname   8 years ago

          No they haven't. Factor in benefits, declining number of hours worked, and using the right inflation metric, wages have perfectly tracked productivity. You're heads in your ass again.

        4. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

          Adding to MJGreen, compensation has continued to go up, but it's gobbled up by health insurance. If you factor in benefits, it's pretty clear what's happening.

        5. Last of the Shitlords   8 years ago

          No, you just think of government and Marx as your gods.

    2. Juice   8 years ago

      if you ask the Left whether they're anti-market, most of the Left will answer, "Of course not,"

      But, they're lying. Or they don't realize that they hate free markets.

      1. Zeb   8 years ago

        Whole Foods is a market.

        1. Juice   8 years ago

          It's far from free.

    3. PurityDiluting   8 years ago

      "The Left is anti-market and the Right is anti-Left".
      I thought the Right hates the govt and the Left hates the Right

      1. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

        Oh no, the right loves themselves some government. Military and cops are untouchable to your standard issue righty, and don't you dare talk about Medicare or SS reform or those conservative seniors will take their cane to your ass.

    4. ThomasD   8 years ago

      "The Left holds markets to the same standards as human beings."

      Insofar as they think both should be subservient to their vision of how things aught to be you are entirely correct.

      If one views the 'left' as anyone who wants to change something about our the current nature of our existence, then it is axiomatic that the 'right' becomes anyone who says "fuck that noise."

      Perhaps a better division of right and left could be based upon the notion of human nature. Is there some core aspect of our existence that predisposes us to certain forms and patterns of existence, or are we truly a blank slate on which anything is possible?

  28. Dillinger   8 years ago

    I have never been on fb. Fuck you, Zuckerberg. Connect this.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

      I'm sure he jacks off to the idea of this being some sort of control for him.

      I'm surprised the government hasn't forced us last Mohicans to get on that shitty project.

      1. Dillinger   8 years ago

        in some universe, somebody punched him in the face in gym class in 8th/9th grade, and smacked the megalomaniac right out of him...in that universe, he's middle management

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      2. Zeb   8 years ago

        If I were him, I'd just fuck my hot wife on a big pile of money.

        1. Dillinger   8 years ago

          my wife would have red hair, but yes.

          also, does Fuckerberg look like he would have any idea what to do with a girl?

          1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

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          2. mad.casual   8 years ago

            my wife would have red hair, but yes.

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  29. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   8 years ago

    Bernie Sanders called the FBI probe into alleged fraud by his wife "pathetic" and suggested it was politically motivated.

    Bernie Sanders wanted more government. He got more government.

    1. PurityDiluting   8 years ago

      A socialist with 3 houses.

      1. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

        Socialism's great when you're the guy holding the clipboard

        1. ThomasD   8 years ago

          Clipboard > the whip.

  30. Dillinger   8 years ago

    who's the chick sitting on the pink Mustang?

    1. Libertarian   8 years ago

      Guess you didn't get the memo. We don't do euphemisms any more.

      1. Dillinger   8 years ago

        awesome. i didn't see it...

    2. ThomasD   8 years ago

      Wild guess says it is a Playmate of the Year. A pink car used to be part of their reward package.

      1. Dillinger   8 years ago

        gracias...hadn't thought of that...

  31. chemjeff   8 years ago

    "Disney says the animatronic Donald Trump in the "Hall of Presidents" exhibit at Disney World will have a speaking role, disputing a report from Vice News."

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  33. Stormy Dragon   8 years ago

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  34. KerryW   8 years ago

    The Jane Sanders investigation started under Obama.

    Of course, that could have been politically motivated from the other direction, so he may have a point.

  35. GILMORE?   8 years ago

    Phil Jackson is leaving the New York Knicks.

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