The Year Rage Took Over
As politics takes over more of everyone's every day life, the debates become increasingly high-stakes.
Looking back, it was the summer of '17 when the wheels really came off.
Some people say things started the year before, during the presidential campaign, when the man-child's popularity grew with every insult, every crude remark, every sullen poke in the eye of a calm and rational world. And sure, there were some incidents—at his rallies, mostly. Punches thrown. Bigoted taunts shouted. The man-child himself wishing aloud he could bash somebody in the face. Things like that.
Even so, the country pretty much held it together that year. The guy who sucker-punched another guy at a rally for the man-child apologized when they met in court, and the second guy even hugged him. The man-child won the election, and a lot of people cried. But nobody went postal over it, not even after the inauguration.
Then the warm seasons came and everything seemed to blow up.
It started on the campuses. Sheltered children of privilege started acting like cultural revolutionaries, rioting against ideas they didn't want to hear and assaulting people who expressed them. They'd never heard of the "struggle sessions" in China under Chairman Mao, but that's exactly what they were up to. It was a kind of madness.
And it was contagious. People showed up at town-hall meetings with congressmen just so they could boo and heckle and scream "F—you!" From Berkeley to Boston, opposing political tribes got into repeated, violent confrontations. At one of them, a professor attacked people with a bike lock. A senator's son was charged with three misdemeanors related to mayhem at another political rally in Wisconsin.
In Montana, a congressional candidate body-slammed a reporter for having the temerity to ask him a question. This was on the eve of a special election, and in a more sensible time that would have been the end of the candidate's career. But America woke up the next morning and found out he had won. A lot of people actually kind of liked what he did.
A few days later in Portland, a man on a train—a man named Christian, of all things—started screaming anti-Muslim insults at two women. Three other passengers intervened, so Christian stabbed them. Two of them, Rick Best and Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche, died. As he was being carried away on a stretcher, Namkai-Meche said, "Tell everyone on this train I love them."
At that point, you might think the nation's citizens would have taken a collective step back. Drawn a few deep breaths. Looked around with bewilderment in their eyes, as if they had just woken up from a trance. Stopped and wondered just what the hell, exactly, was going on.
Nope. Scarcely before the blood in Portland had dried, crowds of protesters poured into the halls of the Texas state legislature, lawmakers got into scuffles on the Texas House floor, and one representative—who later said he had been threatened—told another, "I'll put a bullet in your head."
Maybe it was inevitable. When government plays only a small part in the ordinary person's life, then what happens in the world of politics is of only modest interest or concern. But "as government seeps into every facet of life," one contemporaneous observer wrote that summer, political debates become "extremely high-stakes… If we want to bring political life and discourse in the United States back from the boiling point, we have to make politics less important. When politics and policy matter less, the silly opinions of other Americans… will be far less likely to set us against each other in the streets."
That was part of it, certainly. But there was more to it than that, because it wasn't just America. In North Korea, the reigning madman bent every effort to the development of nuclear missiles. In Venezuela, the regnant goon sent out his security forces to beat up the starving citizens in the streets. A savage religious zealotry that had begun in the Middle East and spread to Europe jumped another barrier and reached the Philippines. You could watch it progress in real time, like aggressive gangrene sending tendrils up an infected leg.
Shortly after the turn of the century a movie called "28 Days Later" had come out. It was a zombie flick, the kind with zombies that move so fast they can run you down almost before you realize they're close by. In the movie, the zombies have been infected by a man-made virus. It's extremely contagious, and it causes uncontrollable rage.
It seems like a pretty good metaphor for ISIS, that movie. And for whatever sickness infected America that summer of '17—the summer when people no longer agreed to disagree. No longer decided to live and let live. The summer when they decided the only things worth saying anymore ought to be said with a middle finger or a clenched fist.
Nobody really wanted it that way. But nobody knew how to stop it, either.
This column originally appeared at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
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He who extracts the most from his neighbor before he dies, wins.
Holy wrist to the forehead drama, Batman!
Are things really more explosive than in 1992, when we had race riots in LA, genocide in the "former Yugoslav republic", Somali warlords stirring up shit during their transition to Libertopia (sarc), and civil war in former Soviet republics? Oh, and violent college protests, yep that was a thing back in '92 as well especially given the 500th anniversary of Columbus and the events in LA. Some turned violent due to douchebag cops, some due to douchebag protesters.
Or the second half of the '60s. Huge demonstrations in the streets related to a war. Civil rights riots in several cities that included burning substantial portions of neighborhoods to the ground. The violence outside the Democratic convention in Chicago. The Antifa of the time actually pulling off violent robberies and blowing up buildings. Political leaders actually getting, you know, shot and killed or paralyzed.
This is mostly just the loonies on both sides unable to engage in impulse control with a dollop of clickbait-chasing media mixed in.
Good examples, both of you. I think these things just come in waves, and boy howdy we're definitely in the midst of one. Not sure what comes out of it, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm pretty sure it's going to be bad, though, since it appears that the current 'revolution' consists mostly of puritans and teetotalers on both sides.
I really don't get why people are so surprised that tribal animals are tribal.
Or that the other tribe is always more tribal.
A few days later in Portland, a man on a train?a man named Christian, of all things?started screaming anti-Muslim insults at two women. Three other passengers intervened, so Christian stabbed them.
And this is where the war is already lost before you even realize it's begun. Note the consensus - the attacker on the train was the guy using his violent words, hate speech that's definitely not protected by the First Amendment, words that are every bit as much a violent attack as a physical assault, and our brave heroes who laid hands on the guy were merely acting in self defense against this brutal assault. In some alternative universe, yelling hateful shit at somebody is not actually assault and battery and physically attacking somebody for their speech would trigger a self-defense claim by the person actually being physically assaulted.
Now turn that around - the Anti-fa fascists are screaming hateful words, threatening violence, attacking all sorts of people with their hate speech. Do you think for one second if we took their words at face value, assumed that their threats are very real threats and defended ourselves from the threat by beating the shit out of these Nazis there'd be a single media outlet claiming that the 'protestors', the mob threatening mob violence, were the aggressors? No, then you'd hear all the 'free speech' bullshit the exact opposite of what these fuckers claim to believe.
What the fuck are you talking about? The consensus is that Jeremy Christian was yelling racist shit and scaring two teenage girls, and when some people tried to intervene and calm him down he stabbed them in the fucking neck. Literally no one is making a free speech issue out of this.
Literally no one is making a free speech issue out of this.
Jeremy Christian is, and I am. What if the guy was yelling racist shit? Is there a law against that? And what you call "intervening", I'd call assault and battery. See how that works? It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? Why do you want to see things in black-and-white when it suits the left's purpose to claim it's a black-and-white issue when it's the left who claims there is no such thing as black-and-white, that all truth is subjective? What if Jeremy Christian self-identified as a victim? Who the hell are you with your patriarchy and your white privilege to marginalize his perceived truth?
Whether there is a law against yelling racist shit isn't the issue. Yelling racist shit at two teenage girls who are just trying to ride the train is an asshole thing to do, which is why those people intervened.
When you explicitly put yourself on the side of crazy stab-man, you might want to take a step back and consider your position.
Were you there? Stabbing isn't crazy if you're being assaulted. The facts aren't in yet, unless I missed Christian's confession in the last few hours.
Well, I'd say this statement isn't very consistent with someone who was acting in self-defense under a reasonable apprehension of harm:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/po.....-you-docs/
In the patrol car, Christian can be heard on surveillance video saying he stabbed three people in the neck and that he can "die a happy man," according to court papers.
And I suspect that Oregon law probably requires people to at least attempt to retreat before resorting to deadly force....
How do you retreat on a moving bus?
Why haven't we seen the video from the bus?
Maybe it contradicts the narrative.
Oh, great, now you're going to add mansplaining to your oppressive attack on me, you with your Western racist/misogynist/marginalizing "reason" and "logic"? ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA! My truths are just as valid as your truths and my ways of knowing are just as valid as yours - mine are superior in fact since your truths and ways of knowing have brought nothing but evil and pain and oppression and misery to all the oppressed minorities.
But you're probably such a privileged asshole that you can't even perceive how you're privileging your racist, sexist, homophobic oppressive worldview over a marginalized other. How dare you think you have some sort of "right" to tell me I'm wrong - you and your kind need to sit down and shut up and if you aggress against me by refusing to sit down and shut up I have every right to defend myself from your violence by shutting you up. Consider yourself reported to this website for the ban hammer regarding your vicious attack on me, and if this place tacitly accepts your violent rhetoric, I'll get Gloria Allred to sue your asses.
Damn Jerry, if I hadn't read you before I wouldn't have any clue that this was satire.
Nice job!
I'm kind of with Hugh in that stabbing some people is rarely the right solution, but we'll know for sure once all the facts are in. I wouldn't be so quick to say stabby mcstabface was in the right, but it's a possibility since I haven't bothered reading anything about it. Not sure why I should care about such a story, either, since it was a knife instead of a OMGWTFBBQASSAULTCANNONWWJD.
Yelling at someone in a threatening manner is assault, if the other person has a legitimate reason to feel threatened. I would say these girls totally had a right to feel threatened.
^ This.
Yelling hate directly in someone's face is not free speech. It's intimidation. He instigated a conflict and then escalated it with the use of a weapon, resulting in two deaths. Even if he was "defending" himself from the three guys who intervened, he is 100% to blame for the situation. Take your blinders off and look at it from a reasonable citizen's perspective. Free speech does not allow someone to directly put complete strangers in fear for their life, as it sounds like these two girls legitimately were. This is not some silly safe space argument. This is a classic case of crazy bus lunatic harassing and threatening two innocent girls. So yeah, fuck that guy. Hope he gets raped and murdered in prison.
Unless, of course, you're expertly trolling. In which case, well played sir.
'Yelling hate...'
There's no law against saying hateful things to do eone's face; it has to be of a *threatening* nature.
I haven't read anything about this, I have no idea what he actually said. It is possible that the 'interveners' were more physical with him than was justified. It's unlikely the yeller was justified in stabbing anyone.
He sure as shit sounds like he would have been threatening. Have you read his statements? Sure, innocent until proven. But we're not a court. We're people discussing something. Let's deal with likelihoods here.
I am ready for my flaming on this site for saying this but, "crazy bus lunatic harassing and threatening " is not far off from what the President is doing (I suppose strike the word bus.) Leaders set the tone, Mr. Trump has been inappropriately and unacceptably incendiary in his rhetoric since the time he began his campaign. Don't think this does not percolate down from the top.
It's not the Trump supporters committing the violence.
Also, sorry, I just don't accept the premise. He's a boorish asshole, but he doesn't encourage violence, as far as I can tell.
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'lefty argle-bargle, Trump is a big poppy-head, I'm so smart...'
Fuck off, shitbag
Many states have crimes such as Harassment, which include behavior such as insulting, cursing or taunting another person in a manner "likely to provoke a violent reaction"is done with an intent to "annoy, harass or alarm." These crimes are usually misdemeanors or petty misdemeanors. Behavior such as that Jeremy Christian engaged in on that train definitely falls into that definition. That is exactly the sort of example of the sort of unprotected speech described in the Chaplinsky case in the US Supreme Court, that the ignorant (like Howard Dean and Chris Cuomo) keep citing for the proposition that "hate speech" is unprotected by the First Amendment. Another example was the recent internet video of the white woman on a bus who called a black man a "nigger" and he slapped her in response. She committed Harassment, he committed Assault.
I don't know about Oregon, but under the Texas Penal Code:
Sec. 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE.
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
"The consensus is..."?
It doesn't matter what the consensus is. What matters is what actually happened. Which none of us knows at this point, unless you were there.
""It doesn't matter what the consensus is. What matters is what actually happened""
Exactly. Sadly, consensus is replacing reality for the truth in many minds.
Keep repeating the russians gave Trump the election when Hillary had the majority vote. If you want to look at the real reason, look at why she lost the states that caused her to lose the EC.
Keep repeating treason until enough people get behind the idea of removing a duly elected President using a secret tribunal or absent any due process. Yeah you are not hearing much of that yet, but ask liberals how they plan to present classified information in a public trial or impeachment. You can easily lead them to agreeing that a secret tribunal is ok to remove Trump, or no trial at all.
They need a consensus for mob rule.
Keep repeating treason until enough people get behind the idea of removing a duly elected President using a secret tribunal or absent any due process. Yeah you are not hearing much of that yet, but ask liberals how they plan to present classified information in a public trial or impeachment. You can easily lead them to agreeing that a secret tribunal is ok to remove Trump, or no trial at all.
You may need to switch to heavy duty aluminum foil for your hat -- the zeta rays are clearly penetrating the stuff you're using.
So true, lots of people are talking about this. Many people are saying this. Sad!!
Except the mayor of Portland, who wants to shut down rallies by non-stabbers.
Stop trying to make any sense of what people are saying, stop trying to argue with them, they aren't arguing in good faith, they're simply slinging any shit they think will stick. There's no hypocrisy in claiming Trump's "grab 'em by the pussy" remark was scandalously disqualifying while at the same time dismissing Bill Clinton's actual pussy-grabbing as no big deal when you don't actually believe any such thing in either case. You don't actually give a shit what either one said or did, you're just attacking Trump and defending Clinton in any way you can.
You do realize that Christian was a Bernie Sanders supporter don't you? Not "right wing" at all. The person you're attacking was one of your own.
Funny how CNN and MSNBC never mention that. You'd think they were protecting one of their own.
Cool, so now we can blame Bernie?
From what I have read about his post (alleged) crime behavior, he is unhinged.
I'll take another flaming here on this thread . . . much like the president.
Flaming is eserved for such a fucking imbecile.
You can always blame Bernie. Or Trump. Or Bush. Or Clinton (either one). Or Obama.
That's an odd take. Crazy yelling guy may not have been committing any crime (before stabbing some people), but that doesn't mean that intervention on the part of bystanders was not appropriate and decent. Why do you think they assaulted him? They may well have just gotten in his face and told him to chill out. It's also worth pointing out that assault is generally a verbal thing (I'm sure you know).
I don't know what exactly happened, but aside from the usual people who do it anyway, no one is trying to make this into a hate speech thing. As far as I can see, some people tried to stop this guy from acting like an aggressive asshole and got killed over it. If it turns out that the interveners were getting inappropriately physical with the guy, I will revise my opinion. But I don't think it's fair to assume that intervening involves unprovoked violence.
"As far as I can see..."
Speaking for myself, "as far as I can see" does not include events that happened several days ago and thousands of miles away. If you have such clairvoyant powers, that's great for you, but I suggest that everyone else wait until there is sworn testimony and the results of an investigation in evidence before making judgements about what happened.
People showed up at town-hall meetings with congressmen just so they could boo and heckle and scream "F?you!"
Gee, that wasn't happening in 2010, was it? Actually, "all this" started in 1992, when Bill Clinton beat "H. W." and broke the Republicans' "mortal lock" on the presidency.* Ever since, Republican "rage" has increased. Lefty "rage" kicked in with the death of Obamamania, around the time of the 2014 election. And, yeah, it has gotten worse.
*Precursor to this "rage" occurred when Newt Gingrich led the right-wing insurrection against the Bush tax increases in 1990. Pat Buchanan continued the assault during the 1992 primaries, and when the Republicans won Congress in 1994 their "rage" continued 24/7.
Gee, that wasn't happening in 2010, was it? Actually, "all this" started in 1992, when Bill Clinton beat "H. W." and broke the Republicans' "mortal lock" on the presidency.*
*snicker*
Lefty "rage" kicked in with the death of Obamamania, around the time of the 2014 election.
*double snicker*
Leftard rage against their fellow Americans who disagree actually began way back during the Lyndon Johnson administration and the Vietnam War, and then significantly increased with the ascent of Nixon to the presidency. But there were definitely a lot fewer of them then than there are now.
Furthermore, the Tards despised Reagan every bit as much as they hated Nixon, W, and Trump. But unlike the others Reagan was so affable, pleasant, and likeable to the average normal person that their hate just never had a prayer of gaining any traction on him.
And how far back does violence against minorities go, Simple Mikey?
The dawn of life itself, why do you ask?
Leftists claim that violence against minorities wasn't them--it was just their heroes and icons following ideas and policies that leftists adore.
I think you left a few data points on the cutting room floor while crafting your swell little montage.
*Precursor to this "rage" occurred when Newt Gingrich led the right-wing insurrection against the Bush tax increases in 1990.
Lol--you mean an "insurrection" against the breaking of a promise Bush had made on the nominating convention floor?
"He that comes from Queens, loses." has been one one of the nation's Iron Laws since 'All In The Family's debut ,
Another symptom of our uniquely archaic two-party government.
28 Weeks later!
RE: The Year Rage Took Over
The only time the left engages in violence is when they can't employ reason and logic...which is almost always.
The only time the left engages in violence is when they can't employ reason and logic...which is almost always.
And yet you somehow cling to reason and logic in fighting an enemy who explicitly eschews reason and logic in favor of face-punching. Why do you allow your enemy to pick the battlefield, choose the weapons, define the rules of combat? It's long past time we march on Berkeley with our bricks and our Molotov cocktails and drive these people into the sea.
Jerryskids,
I have come to the conclusion that you're right.
Bitch slapping these assholes before you start a debate with them will let them know who the alpha male is.
Who knows?
It might even knock some sense into their empty heads.
I think I'll give it a try when one these pinworms start yapping about climate change, the need for taxes, gun confiscation, etc.
It's long past time we march on Berkeley with our bricks and our Molotov cocktails and drive these people into the sea.
Wouldn't that be letting them pick the battlefield, choose the weapons and define the rules of combat?
Ok, you go do that. I'll watch.
Progressive: (adoringly) How do you write women Progressives so well?
Jack Nicholson: (sarcastically) I think of a man Classical Liberal and take away reason and accountability.
That is true of anybody along the entire political spectrum.
The summer of '17 does seem pretty crazy. After the election, I expected most people to just move on with their lives. The ones I know who have a life already have. It's people with nothing better to do who worry about this stuff.
I liken it to the football hooligans we heard about back in the '90s. People with no jobs and no prospects going on a rampage because their team lost a soccer match or maybe their team won a soccer match. And I was someone who didn't much care about soccer and didn't support one team over another, so it all seemed particularly stupid to me.
It's the same thing now. Hillary vs. Trump might as well have been Arsenal vs. Manchester United. They both wanted to rule everyone else on the one hand, they both wanted to kick a ball into the opposing team's goal a few times on the other... Both inspire largely jobless hooligans to get drunk, break stuff, and generally act like asses. I just do my best to tune it out.
Summer starts in 20 days, o Traveler From The Future.
Why wasn't there any violence at Hillary rallies? It was because Trump supporters didn't go there looking for fights, unlike the people that showed up at Trump rallies. One of the Trump supporters who punched a guy was a black guy who punched a white protester whose friend was dressed in a KKK outfit. That detail was left out in reports. A gay Hispanic Trump supporter was beaten with a bag full of bricks leaving a rally. The violence was ALWAYS at least as bad coming from the anti-Trump crowd as from the pro-Trump crowd. The anger on both sides is real but often misplaced.
There was no violence at Hillary rallies because there were no attendees at either Hillary rally.
Um, the summer of '17 hasn't started yet.
"every sullen poke in the eye of a calm and rational world"
WHAT 'calm and rational world'? In a clam and rational world AL Sharpton would have to work for a living. In a calm and rational world Noam Chomsky would be reduced to teaching at a community college because of his continued insistence on injecting himself into matters having little to do with his expertise. In a calm and rational world the Clintons would have been indicted and tried who still in Kansas, and the Democrats would have nominated somebody besides Bill. In a calm and rational world we would have reacted to 9/11 by taking down the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq (Saddam being old business that needed to be cleared) and then LEFT. With the warning; "choose who you want to run your country however you want. But don't come to our negative attention again or we will be back, and you won't like it."
"Calm and rational world" my chapped ass.
conduit.
What happened in 2016 is that the stranglehold the political elite of both parties have exercised over public debate started to seriously break down (it has been showing cracks for years). The Establishment Right is muttering "Well, REALLY!) and otherwise snorting and blowing. The Establishment Left is in full panic mode. Their hand picked candidate stank on ice and lost to somebody who should have had trouble polling against a corpse. The status quo could get really seasick. Why, some of them might have to start WORKING for a living!
But don't talk to me about how, before 2016, the world was calm and rational.
The establishment, and especially the establishment left, is reaping what it has sown for all these years.
If you still think invading Iraq was a good idea, staying or not, you're not part of the calm and rational world.
Yes, there have been some scuffles on college campuses and boisterous crowds at town halls, as the proggies try to emulate the Tea Party (good luck with that btw). But, other than the Portland stabbing and Robert Spencer getting smacked, there hasn't been violence on a large scale like the late 60s riots, bombings, etc. Come to think of it, there haven't even been any mass shootings lately, which seemed to be all the rage a couple of years ago.
I expect this to continue until Trump leaves office and is replaced by a dem-another 4 to 8 years.
True dat. The Weathermen bombings, now that was the heady entertainment provided back when hippie impersonators still had cojones! One result, of course, was to get Moral Majority juries to sentence teenage potheads to an additional ten hears in prison for possession of a lid. Today's Saracen berserkers could learn a valuable lesson in futility from their commie predecessors.
"It started on the campuses. Sheltered children of privilege started acting like cultural revolutionaries, rioting against ideas they didn't want to hear and assaulting people who expressed them."
It's not that they don't want to hear differing ideas. There's not a problem in the world with walking away from someone you don't want to listen to. I myself have turned the dial each and every time Darth Cheetoh comes on. I don't think there's much of anything I want to hear him say. Such is the nature of liberty.
No, the problem is that these absurdly, ridiculously, self-absorbed, self-important, over-privileged, hypocritical children in the universities don't want differing ideas expressed at all. They have become intolerant of any viewpoint outside of those approved withing the progressive agenda. To them anything else is hate speech and must be suppressed, and, to most of them violence in support of their agenda is not only acceptable, but, necessary.
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The clueless looter press is a poor source for a hand-wringing Reason article on the awfulness of looter factions initiating the use of force against each other. Perhaps the idea was to elicit cheering for both sides--as among the soldiers attending a Roman Holiday in an Eric Marie Remarque novel. But zombie movies? Zombie plays and movies were the Herbert Hoover Administration precursors to Reefer Madness movies. If the idea is to entertain us with kitschy religious conservative sighing, why not publish a Czarist Jeff Sessions article again urging the death sentence for reefer pushers?
Conclusion?
Liberals are violent assholes.
They're not liberal, liberals are open to the existence and merits of other ideas. These are progressives. Progressives are only open to approved ideas within a dogmatic belief system, and they believe themselves entitled to use violence in support of this intolerance. There is a word ford this kind of ideology,...
Minor correction: The senator's son was charged with participating in the mayhem at a rally in Minnesota, not Wisconsin.
Obviously this reporter never attended a town hall meeting before this year or he has forgotten the screaming and yelling which greeted Democrats at town halls when Obamacare was being considered. Would the candidate not have body slammed a reporter if the subject wasn't the fact that said candidate had changed his views several times on health care- or is he just a flawed person who would never have been considered for office if his seat wasn't one which Republicans were assured of winning thanks to gerrymandering? Should government stop trying to improve infrastructure, provide health care, maternity leave and other perks which the people want but cannot secure for themselves so that some civility will return to political discourse? We can politely refuse to help anyone who isn't represented by a lobbyist in Congress and then pretend that trickle down economics works because the government is small enough to drown in a bath tub and if your food, water and air is poisoned, well, that is a small price to pay for less government in your life and less citizen involvment in civic betterment. In this case, the cure might well be worse than the disease.
"Should government stop trying to improve infrastructure, provide health care, maternity leave and other perks which the people want but cannot secure for themselves so that some civility will return to political discourse?"
I notice how you mixed proper and improper government activities, as lying lefties commonly do in the hopes, I guess, that those of use who are rational won't notice your slimy mendacity.
Now, it's possible to go through your attempted misdirection piece-by-piece and call bullshit on each one, but lying lefty piles of shit are not worth the effort. So let's make it simple:
Fuck off, slaver.
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Uh, this nasty behavior was done by Republicans, all the way back to 2000 in Florida (the ruckus to stop the vote count), and the Tea Party Medicare recipients who yelled to keep ObamaRomneyHeritageCare's d@mn government hands off their Medicare.
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